WEBVTT - Part Seven: The Digital Reich 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:08.720 M what's making bad decisions my me? In the interim 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.560 between the six and the seventh chapter, Sophie stole the 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:13.520 case of Perrya that I was going to throw, so 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:15.480 I had to upgrade to a case of Lacroix, which 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:19.360 is roughly twice the size and mass. But before I 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:21.279 throw this Lacroix, which will come at the end of 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.680 our episode, I have a surprise thing that I'm gonna throw. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:31.520 I found an open Yeah, didn't go everywhere, no, God 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.320 damn it. But now I've got a snack. I was 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:39.199 so excited what it was stealed pretty tight, thank you. 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.080 Sophie signaled that she had hidden the perry A underneath 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.720 a pillow. So now I'm gonna throw one of these two, 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.960 but I don't know which yet. But first, my coast, 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:54.960 I didn't introduce before throwing it things Katie stolen Cody Johnson. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.160 That's right, that's who we are. We all just had 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.040 a snack attack in front of it. Cody is going 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.120 to be nomin sunflower seeds like Fox Molder in the 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.600 first several episodes of The X Files, but not after 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.080 that because they decided it was a bad thing character 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.839 to do. I were good change. It's not the best 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.399 thing to eat on. I guess there's there's absolutely nothing 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.560 that's good to eat on a microphone. No, but the 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:23.520 worst thing is probably sunflower seeds did the last time? 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.600 I know? Yesterday? I know, and I can already hear 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:35.200 the complaints the chapter seven the Digital Reich. Ye, yeah, 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.800 you know where that's going. In the years after the 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.440 Oklahoma City bombing, the white supremacist movement seemed to have 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.000 spent most of its fury. Nothing like Sea Drift occurred 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.720 in the late nineties. Nazi violence, when it happened, was 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.600 mostly focused around racist skinheads and groups like the White 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.880 Arean Resistance or the Hammerskin Nation. A group called the 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.840 Arian Republican Army robbed twenty two banks in the Midwest. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.680 Several of them had ties to a Looham city, where 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.200 Tim McVeigh had also tried hide out after his attack. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.720 But these and other eruptions of violence were dealt with 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.280 in short order. By the time the early two thousands 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.560 rolled along and the War on Terror kicked off, you 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.240 could be forgiven for thinking the white supermacist movement was 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.440 on its way out. Everything you Love will burn by 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.520 Vegas Tenhold chronicles the movement during this period. One of 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.760 the largest actions in these days was an eight man 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.959 march in Toledo by the National Socialist Movement. Putting it 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:25.720 together in march that large was the work of the 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.880 entire National organization, and they were so overwhelmed by counter 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.480 protesters that they never managed to take to the streets 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:33.600 and were back in Sea Drift. Lou Being met three 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.639 or four hundred kinsmen just to show up among town 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.120 of Texas. A two thousand and ten, the National Socialist 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.799 Movement held a gathering in Trent in New Jersey. Vegas 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.239 attended to chronicle the event, and the night before the march, 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.639 he was present when a group called Anti Racist Action 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.959 assaulted the Nazis as they ate dinner and a rented 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.720 meeting hall. The next day, the National Socialist Movement marched quote. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.160 The entire route of the march was lined with National 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.680 Guard and riot police. They'd closed off every access point, 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.640 and no one was around to watch the Nazis trudge 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.320 along the wet streets while the rains soaked their black uniforms. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.080 They arrived at a wide square in front of the 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.520 Capitol building. A few modest steps led up to the entrance, 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.680 and a small podium stood at the top. Police had 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.600 cordoned off the entire square in the distance the counterprotesters 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.280 had gathered. The police, fearing another showdown, kept them two 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.000 blocks away from the Nazis, just barely within shouting distance, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.160 so the rally was reduced to a couple dozen neo 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.239 Nazis screaming obscenities at fifty or so anti racist down 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.600 the street, while the anti racist screamed right back. The 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.760 National Socialist Movement built itself as direct successors to George 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.480 Lincoln Rockwell's Party. In five years, they'd gone from being 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.200 able to make a nationwide gathering of eighty men down 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.960 to less than thirty. But looking at those numbers does 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.240 not give a full picture of the American fascist movement. 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.840 During this period, all the ability of old guard fascist 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:43.400 groups like the n s M and the Clan to 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.960 draw numbers had declined. The movement was deep in the 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.160 process of spreading to a new generation through new means. 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.200 In the last chapter, I mentioned John Ronson's Them. John's 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:54.680 book gives us a look at the movement in the 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:59.240 late nineteen nineties from the perspective of individuals like Alex Jones. Mr. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.800 Jones first rose to prominence within the fringe right in 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.120 the middle late nineteen nineties, and his career illustrates the 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:05.800 first stages of what would grow to be known as 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.119 the alt right. Now on paper, Jones was a libertarian 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.720 or political independent who attacked Democrats and Republicans with equal vigor, 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.240 seeing both as agents of the nWo and the globalist elite. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.440 You would not hear attacks on the Jews as an 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.760 ethnic group from Jones, nor would you see him sporting 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.200 a swastika. But if you dig in just a little bit, 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.360 there have always been connections between Alex Jones and the 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.919 fascist rite. At one point in Them, John tries to 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.160 infiltrate a meeting of the Builderberg Group with a writer 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:36.160 named Big Jim Tucker, editor of The Spotlight, Willis Carto's magazine. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.760 Big Jim Tucker was a friend and a frequent guest 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.160 on Alex Jones's Info Wars in its early days. Like Jones, 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.640 Big Jim was obsessed with the Builderberg Group. He viewed 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.120 it as part of the Jewish conspiracy to dominate the globe. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.880 Jones possessed the same beliefs, minus the j word. That 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.279 nineteen gathering at the ruins of the Branch Davidian compound 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.400 near Waco that I talked about in the last chapter 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.560 when John Ronson showed up with Randy Weaver will that 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.200 gag ring was a volunteer effort to rebuild the Branch 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.560 Davidian Church organized by twenty five year old Alex Jones. 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.479 He told the Oklahoman quote, We've had school teachers and 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.000 black single mothers, and auto mechanics and doctors. There was 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.400 even a Jewish rabbi out here one day helping us. Sure, 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.559 we've had folks in their camo and their camo hats, 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.560 and them with the malicious helping us too. One of 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.560 the men who gathered in Mount Carmel that day to 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.760 help Alex Jones was Colonel bow Gritz. Gritz was a 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.599 legendary figure in the Patriot movement, a decorated veteran, the 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.839 supposed inspiration behind the character John Rambo, and a hardcore 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:36.080 believer in Christian identity theology. In right before the Mount 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.640 Carmel meeting, he sent out this in an online bulletin 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.200 to his followers. Do you see the sign, the scent 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.560 of the stain and mark of the beast on America today, 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.560 Are you willing to submit and join the seed line 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.320 of Satan? Look to those who are openly Antichrist when 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:52.400 the world is promoting abortion, pornography, pedophilia, godless laws, adultery, 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:57.719 new wage, international banking, entertainment industry, and world publishing. Wherever 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.680 you find perversion of God's laws, you will find the 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.320 worship versa bow with their roots still in Babylonian mysticism. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:08.080 So that's cool now. New age international banking, the entertainment industry, 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.080 and world publishing is a bit queer than just shouting Jews. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.280 But beow Grits was more direct in a bulletin he 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.320 sent out a year later during the two thousand election, Jews, 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.839 feminists another liberal activists may install gore over an apathetic 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:25.880 moral majority. If so, runaway abortion, Antichrist, God and globalism 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.520 are certain. The first message was too subtle, YEA. Now 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.520 think about those messages as I read this quote that 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.960 Alex Jones as related in John Ronson's book Them, which 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.520 was said during that Mount Karmel meeting. The builder Burgers said, 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.760 Alex are the Roman Senate. It's a pyramid their way 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:43.440 up there below. Then you've got the I M. F 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.600 the World Bank, the United Nations, and then you've got 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.960 us down here, the cattle, the human resources, and Randy 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.240 Weaver is way out over there. See he left. They 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.039 hate that, so they scared the cattle back in the 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.280 pin See burn them out. I'm living in a place 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.560 where black helicopters a hundred and fifty miles south of 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.560 me are burning buildings, terrorizing people. And I'm the extremist 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.720 who says you're an extremist? I asked, that's Ronson speaking 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.120 the Anti Defamation League. He yelled, the A d L 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.120 or a bucket of black paint and a brush. They're 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.280 worse than the clan. They get massive funding from the globalist. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.960 It doesn't matter if your girlfriend's Jewish, your little sister's Korean. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.160 Anybody who wants to live free as a racist, the 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:20.120 A d L is the scum of the earth. Jones. Yeah, 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.840 Now he did a good job what he's trying to do. Yeah, 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.520 he's really succeeded. So these are more or less the 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.080 same beliefs that Alex Jones has been years broadcasting. The 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.240 millions of listeners around America in the late nineties and 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.120 early two thousand's viewed independently, Jones looks like a harmless 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.200 conspiracy theorist, but placed next to bou Grits, we can 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.200 see him for what he is, a way to ease 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:46.360 people into Christian identity style beliefs that lead inevitably to exterminationalist, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:51.720 anti Semitic beliefs. Seventeen years later, I published a study 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.560 with the investigative journalism collective Belling Cat on how seventy 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.400 five fascist activists were initially red pilled to the cause. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.480 My research was based on leaked internal converse nations where 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:04.040 these neo Nazis, klansmen, and other extremists discussed their ideological evolution. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.880 Six of them credited Alex Jones with their red pilling. 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.960 That even had a name for it, taking the conspiracy pill. 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:16.320 There was an explicit understanding. Yeah, yeah, we call it 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.480 taking these conspiracy pill wild the things these people will 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.240 brag about. Yeah, yes, one user road, I don't give 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.119 a funk if you think it it being the secret 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.160 rulers of the world. Are aliens are not as long 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.320 as those aliens are Jewish at the end of the day. Yeah, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:35.439 pretty explicit ridiculous obviously. Yeah, for those of us who 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.319 grew up online in the early OT. The last five 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.840 years or so have been a continuous dispiriting process of 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.679 watching outright fascist beliefs bubble up on places like Reddit 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.600 and four Chan. It seems at times as if the 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.880 Nazis had literally eaten the Internet we all knew and 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.840 loved as kids. This did not happen by accident. Alex 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.320 Jones is just one prong of a concerted digital power 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.920 grab that began before most of us knew the Internet existed. 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.600 In four Louis Biam used money he'd received from Robert 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:03.920 Matthews's order to beate liberty Net yeah, an international network 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.920 of code word access message boards. The goal of liberty 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.080 Net was to link the white power movement together. It 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.960 was used to spread recruitment materials, and its establishment allowed 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.640 the movement to switch tactics quickly, as was seen after St. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:18.360 S Park. It also included personnel ads and pen pal programs, 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.400 which could be as innocuous as connecting races for social purposes. 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.880 Was also useful in planning crimes. The ternet allowed Beam 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.400 to send racist propaganda into places where it was illegal, 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.680 like Canada in Germany. After setting up liberty Net, Beam 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.600 wrote finally we're all going to be linked together at 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.880 one point in time. Imagine, if you will, all the 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.480 great minds of the patriotic Christian movement linked together and 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.480 joined the one computer. Imagine any patriot in the country 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.840 being able to call up and access these mines. You 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.320 are online with the Arian nation's brain trust. It is 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.000 here to serve the folk. It has been said that 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.840 knowledge is power, which it most assuredly is. The computer 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.280 offers to those who become proficient in its use, power 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:59.240 undreamed of by the rulers of the past. Yeah, that's 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.080 like the beginning of the yeah yeah, f wors go 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.920 back further than most people would mean, starts the wars. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.800 Yeah yeah. Computers were not cheap in the nineteen eighties. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.400 Beams work required the modern equivalent of tens of thousands 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.080 of dollars and seed money. A single Apple computer costs 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.160 two thousand dollars at the time. Without the order, none 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.480 of this would have been possible. And while law enforcement 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.600 was diligent about trying to track down all the rocket 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.360 launchers and machine guns and explosive spot with the orders 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.120 all gotten games, they barely seemed to notice the computer 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.800 equipment that Louis Bean had bought Yeah, weird about that 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:37.199 classic underestimation. After all, why would the nineteen FBI care 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.800 if some Apple two's wound up gifted to Nazis around 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.120 the country. How could that cause a problem? I don't know. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:47.120 Yeah yeah. By slightly over a decade later, Nazi efforts 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.200 online had crystallized into a cohesive and effective digital Reich. 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.040 Fascists were some of the first people to effectively harness 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.400 the power of the Internet in an organized way. The 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.960 book Nation and Race, edited by Jeffrey Kaplan and Torbjorgo, 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.200 includes a chat after that delves into the state of 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.040 the online white power movement at this time. They cite 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.520 Walter Benjamin, a scholar who wrote an essay about how 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:11.120 new technology like photography was harnessed by Nazism. Mass movements 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.400 are usually discerned more clearly by a camera than by 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.040 the naked eye. A bird's eye view best captures gatherings 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.920 of hundreds of thousands, and even though such of you 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:19.880 may be accessible to the human eyes, it is to 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.360 the camera. The image received by the eye cannot be 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.160 enlarged the way a negative is enlarged. While photographs and 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.040 film best captured the character of the original Nazi movement, 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:33.320 it's modern descendant is best captured online and countless conversations 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.800 and debates across message boards, image boards, YouTube's comments sections, 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.240 and the like. In the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.720 and in response to the effectiveness with which anti racist 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.920 street movements like Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice shut down fascist 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.520 street gatherings, the Internet became increasingly central to the development 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.959 of American fascism. You know what's not central to the 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:58.720 development of American fascism. It's an amploy It's the products 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.640 and services that support their show. Sophie's had a good 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.640 ad Segway, Sophie's saying I did well. Yeah, I liked it. 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.040 You guys excited about this? Candon Lacroix, I'm gonna throw 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:13.960 increasingly nervous. Well, increasingly nervous is the right way to 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:26.240 feel when product We're back, We're back, We're back, We're back. 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.520 In the early nineteen nineties, Milton John Climb Jr. Was 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.359 a twenty five year old studying at St. Cloud University. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.840 His school provided him with a free use net account, 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.280 and one of his professors rather accidentally gave him the 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.120 listing where he came upon Alt Dot, Skinheads and the 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.920 o Nazi newsgroup. Milton was one of the first young 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.200 men to become radicalized into fascism through the Internet. Climb 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.520 grew obsessed, spending hours a day writing thousands of newsgroup 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.600 posts and emails. He'd become a coordinator for several digitally 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:57.280 inclined fascists. Climb graduated in n and shortly thereafter had 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.320 his first face to face encounter with a member of 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:03.800 the movement, Lynn Young, William Pierce's secretary. She gave Climb 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:05.800 a check for five hundred dollars, which he used to 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.000 buy a computer to continue his work. Now that he 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.000 was no longer at the university. Climb never again met 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.160 another Nazi in person, but he continued his activities and 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.960 later that year wrote an essay on digital strategy that 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.640 he posted to the Arian Crusader Library's website. In it, 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.200 he wrote that the internet quote offers enormous opportunity for 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.880 the Arian resistance to disseminate our message to the unaware 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.800 and the ignorant. It is the only relatively uncensored, free 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.640 forum mass medium which we have available. The state cannot 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.000 yet stop us from advertising our ideas and organizations now 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.320 was the time to grasp the weapon, which is the net, 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.840 and wield it skillfully and wisely, while you may still 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.200 do so freely. He was right, never stop posting, never 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:48.400 stop posting. Perfect forum for loan wolves. Yeah Yeah, loan 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.640 wolves in the mid nineteen nineties, using at an early 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.280 predecessor to modern forum culture, was where most online discussions occurred. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:00.000 The most critical Nazi destinations head names like all dot Nationalism, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.439 dot white, all dot revolution, dot counter, alt dot skinhead, 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.120 and as a prelude to eight Chans pullboard alt dot politics. 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.600 This is all very much in line with the ideas 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.360 that Bayham had laid out a decade earlier, but Climb 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.959 wanted to see his fellow fascists move on from their 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:19.720 digital safe spaces and become what he called cyber guerrillas. Quote. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.680 He decided they should quote take up positions on mainstream 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.560 groups except on our groups. Avoid the race issue. Sidestep 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.520 at as much as possible. We don't have time to 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.480 defend our stance on this issue against the comments of 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.640 hundreds of fools, liars, and degenerates who spouting the Jewish 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.440 line will slaughter our message with half troops, slander, and 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.560 the ever used sophistry that will hide that power level. 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.960 Climb's writing is particularly fascinating to me for the similarity 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:46.920 as I see between it and the things have encountered 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.880 in my own explorations of modern online Nazi haven eight chan. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.560 Near the end of his essay, Climb rights, all of 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.400 my comrades and I, none of whom have ever met 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.760 face to face, share a unique camaraderie feeling as though 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.360 we have been friends for a long time. Selfless cooperation 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.400 occurs regul lily amongst my comrades for a variety of endeavors. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.760 This feeling of comradeship is irrespective of national identity or 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.880 state borders. Now they love the word comrade. You do, 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.720 they do? Everybody loves the word comrade. Now. What Climb 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.320 expressed there is not so different from what Pawe Synagogue 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.760 shooter John Ernest related in the eighth Chan post he 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.960 made announcing the start of his rampage. It's been real, dudes. 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.240 From the bottom of my heart, thank you for everything. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.000 Keep up the infographic red pill threats. I've only been 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.360 lurking for a year and a half. What I've learned 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.840 here is priceless. It's been an honor. Yeah, always keep posting, 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:40.400 Always keep posting until we start shooting. Yeah, So climbs 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.400 last line about feeling comrades ship across national barriers would 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.400 prove to be an eerie premonition of the future of 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.640 the international fascist movement, because during the late nineties and 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.680 early two thousand's, the American fascist movement went international in 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.000 a way it never had been before. Even back in 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.040 the thirties and forties, Italian, German, and Spanish fascism were 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.280 all very different beasts. One side effective propagate and that 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.240 started emanating out of the U S. As a result 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.560 of Beam's Liberty Net was that all the world sundry 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.520 fascists started getting on the same page. I found a 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.840 two thousand to study by Les Black published in the 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.120 Journal of Ethnic and Racial Studies. Les interviewed an Irish 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:17.000 fascist with the Internet handle white wolf Quote. During the 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:18.720 height of his involvement in the movement, he was spending 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.720 five hours a day online. He lives in an Irish 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.040 town where there are virtually no visible minorities. He was 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.840 drawn to the white power movement through a fascination with Nazism. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.680 He concluded, mostly Americans are on the net, but there 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.160 are British, Irish, and lots of others from different countries. 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:32.960 The net breaks down the distance. A person who is 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.120 living on a two thousand acre farm in Australia and 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.840 had nobody to talk to about his views suddenly understands 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.600 that he can link people who would never have met 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.600 and talk with them, plan with them, learn and teach 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.200 one other things, help each other. Our Ozzie friend, who 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.200 may be well removed from the rest of his comrades, 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.720 can nevertheless play a part in forwarding the agenda of 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:53.320 a group. Racists love the Internet, Yeah, they do. People 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.560 love the Internet. People do love the Internet. Yeah, it's 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.200 like that's I mean, it's no matter who you are, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.640 you can find your group online. And then you have 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.960 people actively trying to Yeah, he's saying all the good 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.320 things on the internet, but not saying the dark thing 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.360 use it to do what they do. It's like when 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.200 you like when you talk about like isis recruitment and stuff. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:18.760 I've been thinking that this entire book about how upset 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.440 I keep saying terrorist, but yeah, it's like isis recruitment? Yeah, 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.639 same basic strategy, going after the same pool of people. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.760 Seventeen years later, a young man who might very well 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.560 have been the Aussie friend that White Wolf was talking about. 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.719 Brendan Tarrant drove to a mosque in christ Church, New 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.639 Zealand and gunned down more than fifty people. Like white Wolf, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.439 Brinton was a loner, spending hours a day online building 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.000 a sense of rapport with his far from digital comrades 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.840 and fascism before finally deciding to take action. Now, the 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.840 thing that really shocked me when I started digging into 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.480 this research was how damned groundbreaking the fascists were in 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.000 their understanding of what online culture would become and how 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.399 to manipulate it. I'm going to quote from that book 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.639 that I quoted from earlier Nation and Race quote. This 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.400 arena has spawned its own language, im combines previous forms 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.639 of right wing organizing with new political strategies. C and 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.640 G various really referred to as the cyber Nationalist Group, 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.760 cyber Nazi Group, or Computer Nationalist Group, is the brainchild 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.159 of activist Jeff Foss. In his article entitled the C 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.520 and G an Idea for Online organization, A Complete division 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.680 of Labors outlined that assigns operatives particular roles within an 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.960 overall strategy Voss makes a distinction between idea men and 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.679 men of action. The former provide background information for the 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.119 latter to post within usenet. This manifesto outlines four different 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.879 types of foreground operative d I s S. A subtle 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.920 disseminator of information, places it on FTP sites and makes 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.840 subtle references to endorsements of such info on news, usually 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.040 pretending to be a disinterested observer. A pirate, a person 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.360 who will pirate an account for a one shot high 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:51.359 saturation dissemination of propaganda. An impersonator who impersonates the enemy, 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.000 posting embarrassing the left, infuriating the enemy. And an infiltrator 0:18:55.040 --> 0:19:01.080 who infiltrates the enemy camp shipped out their hands over there, 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:08.159 ye man. Fascists were some of the first folks to 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.440 develop a cohesive strategy around what they called flaming. As 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:15.040 early as the researchers into online extremism her to realize 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.800 that quote a common endpoint used by right wing activists 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.760 is the stylized disclaimer I am not a Nazi. Those 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.200 same researchers also noted the use of mail bombs or 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.879 software that allowed fascists to deluse your recipient and hundreds 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.280 upon hundreds of pieces of spam email in order to 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.240 make an opponent's account functionally unusable. Twenty one years later, 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.239 when I wrote my first article critical of eight chan 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.040 and the lead up to the two thousand and sixteen election, 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:40.040 my work count was deluged in a massive flow of 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.320 spam emails, which why I still get emails from homeschooling 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:48.560 dot com every day now. Wyatt Caldenberg was an internet 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.359 activist affiliated with Tom Metzger's White Arian Resistance or WAR. 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.920 We haven't talked much about them in this audio book 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.400 because I had to limit my focus somewhere. But Tom 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.040 was a major part of the skin head movement as 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.800 well as an associative the Order. Back in the nineteen seventies, 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:03.960 he worked with David Duke to help organize the clan 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.439 border Watch. Why It helped spread War's message online and 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:09.480 gained infamy as one of the first proponents for what 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.320 would come to be known as brigading, disrupting other online 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.880 communities in an organized way. Why It wrote this ought 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:17.920 to bey our new tactic. Instead of hanging out around 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.040 the four racist news groups, we can hit news groups 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:21.560 as a mob. We cannot win when we are out 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.440 numbered by Jews. But if we go in as a group, 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.840 we can win with the average Joe six pack post 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.480 fact about black crime. Give them your update numbers, web addresses, 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:36.080