1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: M what's making bad decisions my me? In the interim 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: between the six and the seventh chapter, Sophie stole the 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: case of Perrya that I was going to throw, so 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: I had to upgrade to a case of Lacroix, which 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: is roughly twice the size and mass. But before I 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: throw this Lacroix, which will come at the end of 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: our episode, I have a surprise thing that I'm gonna throw. 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: I found an open Yeah, didn't go everywhere, no, God 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: damn it. But now I've got a snack. I was 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: so excited what it was stealed pretty tight, thank you. 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Sophie signaled that she had hidden the perry A underneath 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: a pillow. So now I'm gonna throw one of these two, 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: but I don't know which yet. But first, my coast, 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: I didn't introduce before throwing it things Katie stolen Cody Johnson. 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: That's right, that's who we are. We all just had 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: a snack attack in front of it. Cody is going 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: to be nomin sunflower seeds like Fox Molder in the 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: first several episodes of The X Files, but not after 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: that because they decided it was a bad thing character 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: to do. I were good change. It's not the best 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: thing to eat on. I guess there's there's absolutely nothing 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: that's good to eat on a microphone. No, but the 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: worst thing is probably sunflower seeds did the last time? 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: I know? Yesterday? I know, and I can already hear 25 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: the complaints the chapter seven the Digital Reich. Ye, yeah, 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: you know where that's going. In the years after the 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City bombing, the white supremacist movement seemed to have 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: spent most of its fury. Nothing like Sea Drift occurred 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: in the late nineties. Nazi violence, when it happened, was 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: mostly focused around racist skinheads and groups like the White 31 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: Arean Resistance or the Hammerskin Nation. A group called the 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: Arian Republican Army robbed twenty two banks in the Midwest. 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: Several of them had ties to a Looham city, where 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: Tim McVeigh had also tried hide out after his attack. 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: But these and other eruptions of violence were dealt with 36 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: in short order. By the time the early two thousands 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: rolled along and the War on Terror kicked off, you 38 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: could be forgiven for thinking the white supermacist movement was 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: on its way out. Everything you Love will burn by 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: Vegas Tenhold chronicles the movement during this period. One of 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: the largest actions in these days was an eight man 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: march in Toledo by the National Socialist Movement. Putting it 43 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: together in march that large was the work of the 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: entire National organization, and they were so overwhelmed by counter 45 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: protesters that they never managed to take to the streets 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: and were back in Sea Drift. Lou Being met three 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: or four hundred kinsmen just to show up among town 48 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: of Texas. A two thousand and ten, the National Socialist 49 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: Movement held a gathering in Trent in New Jersey. Vegas 50 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: attended to chronicle the event, and the night before the march, 51 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: he was present when a group called Anti Racist Action 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: assaulted the Nazis as they ate dinner and a rented 53 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: meeting hall. The next day, the National Socialist Movement marched quote. 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: The entire route of the march was lined with National 55 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: Guard and riot police. They'd closed off every access point, 56 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: and no one was around to watch the Nazis trudge 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: along the wet streets while the rains soaked their black uniforms. 58 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: They arrived at a wide square in front of the 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: Capitol building. A few modest steps led up to the entrance, 60 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: and a small podium stood at the top. Police had 61 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: cordoned off the entire square in the distance the counterprotesters 62 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: had gathered. The police, fearing another showdown, kept them two 63 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: blocks away from the Nazis, just barely within shouting distance, 64 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: so the rally was reduced to a couple dozen neo 65 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: Nazis screaming obscenities at fifty or so anti racist down 66 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: the street, while the anti racist screamed right back. The 67 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: National Socialist Movement built itself as direct successors to George 68 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: Lincoln Rockwell's Party. In five years, they'd gone from being 69 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: able to make a nationwide gathering of eighty men down 70 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: to less than thirty. But looking at those numbers does 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: not give a full picture of the American fascist movement. 72 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: During this period, all the ability of old guard fascist 73 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: groups like the n s M and the Clan to 74 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: draw numbers had declined. The movement was deep in the 75 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: process of spreading to a new generation through new means. 76 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: In the last chapter, I mentioned John Ronson's Them. John's 77 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: book gives us a look at the movement in the 78 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: late nineteen nineties from the perspective of individuals like Alex Jones. Mr. 79 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: Jones first rose to prominence within the fringe right in 80 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: the middle late nineteen nineties, and his career illustrates the 81 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: first stages of what would grow to be known as 82 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: the alt right. Now on paper, Jones was a libertarian 83 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: or political independent who attacked Democrats and Republicans with equal vigor, 84 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: seeing both as agents of the nWo and the globalist elite. 85 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: You would not hear attacks on the Jews as an 86 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: ethnic group from Jones, nor would you see him sporting 87 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: a swastika. But if you dig in just a little bit, 88 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: there have always been connections between Alex Jones and the 89 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: fascist rite. At one point in Them, John tries to 90 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: infiltrate a meeting of the Builderberg Group with a writer 91 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: named Big Jim Tucker, editor of The Spotlight, Willis Carto's magazine. 92 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: Big Jim Tucker was a friend and a frequent guest 93 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: on Alex Jones's Info Wars in its early days. Like Jones, 94 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: Big Jim was obsessed with the Builderberg Group. He viewed 95 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: it as part of the Jewish conspiracy to dominate the globe. 96 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: Jones possessed the same beliefs, minus the j word. That 97 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: nineteen gathering at the ruins of the Branch Davidian compound 98 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: near Waco that I talked about in the last chapter 99 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: when John Ronson showed up with Randy Weaver will that 100 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: gag ring was a volunteer effort to rebuild the Branch 101 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Davidian Church organized by twenty five year old Alex Jones. 102 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: He told the Oklahoman quote, We've had school teachers and 103 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: black single mothers, and auto mechanics and doctors. There was 104 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: even a Jewish rabbi out here one day helping us. Sure, 105 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,559 Speaker 1: we've had folks in their camo and their camo hats, 106 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: and them with the malicious helping us too. One of 107 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: the men who gathered in Mount Carmel that day to 108 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: help Alex Jones was Colonel bow Gritz. Gritz was a 109 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: legendary figure in the Patriot movement, a decorated veteran, the 110 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: supposed inspiration behind the character John Rambo, and a hardcore 111 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: believer in Christian identity theology. In right before the Mount 112 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: Carmel meeting, he sent out this in an online bulletin 113 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: to his followers. Do you see the sign, the scent 114 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: of the stain and mark of the beast on America today, 115 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: Are you willing to submit and join the seed line 116 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: of Satan? Look to those who are openly Antichrist when 117 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: the world is promoting abortion, pornography, pedophilia, godless laws, adultery, 118 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: new wage, international banking, entertainment industry, and world publishing. Wherever 119 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: you find perversion of God's laws, you will find the 120 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: worship versa bow with their roots still in Babylonian mysticism. 121 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: So that's cool now. New age international banking, the entertainment industry, 122 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: and world publishing is a bit queer than just shouting Jews. 123 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: But beow Grits was more direct in a bulletin he 124 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: sent out a year later during the two thousand election, Jews, 125 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: feminists another liberal activists may install gore over an apathetic 126 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: moral majority. If so, runaway abortion, Antichrist, God and globalism 127 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: are certain. The first message was too subtle, YEA. Now 128 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: think about those messages as I read this quote that 129 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Alex Jones as related in John Ronson's book Them, which 130 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: was said during that Mount Karmel meeting. The builder Burgers said, 131 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: Alex are the Roman Senate. It's a pyramid their way 132 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: up there below. Then you've got the I M. F 133 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: the World Bank, the United Nations, and then you've got 134 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: us down here, the cattle, the human resources, and Randy 135 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: Weaver is way out over there. See he left. They 136 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: hate that, so they scared the cattle back in the 137 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: pin See burn them out. I'm living in a place 138 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: where black helicopters a hundred and fifty miles south of 139 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: me are burning buildings, terrorizing people. And I'm the extremist 140 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: who says you're an extremist? I asked, that's Ronson speaking 141 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: the Anti Defamation League. He yelled, the A d L 142 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: or a bucket of black paint and a brush. They're 143 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: worse than the clan. They get massive funding from the globalist. 144 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if your girlfriend's Jewish, your little sister's Korean. 145 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: Anybody who wants to live free as a racist, the 146 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: A d L is the scum of the earth. Jones. Yeah, 147 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: Now he did a good job what he's trying to do. Yeah, 148 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: he's really succeeded. So these are more or less the 149 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: same beliefs that Alex Jones has been years broadcasting. The 150 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: millions of listeners around America in the late nineties and 151 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: early two thousand's viewed independently, Jones looks like a harmless 152 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist, but placed next to bou Grits, we can 153 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: see him for what he is, a way to ease 154 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: people into Christian identity style beliefs that lead inevitably to exterminationalist, 155 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: anti Semitic beliefs. Seventeen years later, I published a study 156 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: with the investigative journalism collective Belling Cat on how seventy 157 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: five fascist activists were initially red pilled to the cause. 158 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: My research was based on leaked internal converse nations where 159 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: these neo Nazis, klansmen, and other extremists discussed their ideological evolution. 160 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: Six of them credited Alex Jones with their red pilling. 161 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: That even had a name for it, taking the conspiracy pill. 162 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: There was an explicit understanding. Yeah, yeah, we call it 163 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: taking these conspiracy pill wild the things these people will 164 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: brag about. Yeah, yes, one user road, I don't give 165 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,119 Speaker 1: a funk if you think it it being the secret 166 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: rulers of the world. Are aliens are not as long 167 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: as those aliens are Jewish at the end of the day. Yeah, 168 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: pretty explicit ridiculous obviously. Yeah, for those of us who 169 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: grew up online in the early OT. The last five 170 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: years or so have been a continuous dispiriting process of 171 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: watching outright fascist beliefs bubble up on places like Reddit 172 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: and four Chan. It seems at times as if the 173 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: Nazis had literally eaten the Internet we all knew and 174 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: loved as kids. This did not happen by accident. Alex 175 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: Jones is just one prong of a concerted digital power 176 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: grab that began before most of us knew the Internet existed. 177 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: In four Louis Biam used money he'd received from Robert 178 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: Matthews's order to beate liberty Net yeah, an international network 179 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: of code word access message boards. The goal of liberty 180 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: Net was to link the white power movement together. It 181 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: was used to spread recruitment materials, and its establishment allowed 182 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: the movement to switch tactics quickly, as was seen after St. 183 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: S Park. It also included personnel ads and pen pal programs, 184 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: which could be as innocuous as connecting races for social purposes. 185 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: Was also useful in planning crimes. The ternet allowed Beam 186 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: to send racist propaganda into places where it was illegal, 187 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: like Canada in Germany. After setting up liberty Net, Beam 188 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: wrote finally we're all going to be linked together at 189 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: one point in time. Imagine, if you will, all the 190 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: great minds of the patriotic Christian movement linked together and 191 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: joined the one computer. Imagine any patriot in the country 192 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: being able to call up and access these mines. You 193 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: are online with the Arian nation's brain trust. It is 194 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: here to serve the folk. It has been said that 195 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: knowledge is power, which it most assuredly is. The computer 196 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: offers to those who become proficient in its use, power 197 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: undreamed of by the rulers of the past. Yeah, that's 198 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: like the beginning of the yeah yeah, f wors go 199 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: back further than most people would mean, starts the wars. 200 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Computers were not cheap in the nineteen eighties. 201 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: Beams work required the modern equivalent of tens of thousands 202 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: of dollars and seed money. A single Apple computer costs 203 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars at the time. Without the order, none 204 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: of this would have been possible. And while law enforcement 205 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: was diligent about trying to track down all the rocket 206 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: launchers and machine guns and explosive spot with the orders 207 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: all gotten games, they barely seemed to notice the computer 208 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: equipment that Louis Bean had bought Yeah, weird about that 209 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: classic underestimation. After all, why would the nineteen FBI care 210 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: if some Apple two's wound up gifted to Nazis around 211 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: the country. How could that cause a problem? I don't know. 212 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. By slightly over a decade later, Nazi efforts 213 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: online had crystallized into a cohesive and effective digital Reich. 214 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: Fascists were some of the first people to effectively harness 215 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: the power of the Internet in an organized way. The 216 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: book Nation and Race, edited by Jeffrey Kaplan and Torbjorgo, 217 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: includes a chat after that delves into the state of 218 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: the online white power movement at this time. They cite 219 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: Walter Benjamin, a scholar who wrote an essay about how 220 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: new technology like photography was harnessed by Nazism. Mass movements 221 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: are usually discerned more clearly by a camera than by 222 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: the naked eye. A bird's eye view best captures gatherings 223 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: of hundreds of thousands, and even though such of you 224 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: may be accessible to the human eyes, it is to 225 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: the camera. The image received by the eye cannot be 226 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: enlarged the way a negative is enlarged. While photographs and 227 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: film best captured the character of the original Nazi movement, 228 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: it's modern descendant is best captured online and countless conversations 229 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: and debates across message boards, image boards, YouTube's comments sections, 230 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: and the like. In the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing, 231 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: and in response to the effectiveness with which anti racist 232 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: street movements like Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice shut down fascist 233 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: street gatherings, the Internet became increasingly central to the development 234 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: of American fascism. You know what's not central to the 235 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: development of American fascism. It's an amploy It's the products 236 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: and services that support their show. Sophie's had a good 237 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: ad Segway, Sophie's saying I did well. Yeah, I liked it. 238 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: You guys excited about this? Candon Lacroix, I'm gonna throw 239 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: increasingly nervous. Well, increasingly nervous is the right way to 240 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: feel when product We're back, We're back, We're back, We're back. 241 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: In the early nineteen nineties, Milton John Climb Jr. Was 242 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,359 Speaker 1: a twenty five year old studying at St. Cloud University. 243 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: His school provided him with a free use net account, 244 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: and one of his professors rather accidentally gave him the 245 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: listing where he came upon Alt Dot, Skinheads and the 246 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: o Nazi newsgroup. Milton was one of the first young 247 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: men to become radicalized into fascism through the Internet. Climb 248 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: grew obsessed, spending hours a day writing thousands of newsgroup 249 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: posts and emails. He'd become a coordinator for several digitally 250 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: inclined fascists. Climb graduated in n and shortly thereafter had 251 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: his first face to face encounter with a member of 252 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: the movement, Lynn Young, William Pierce's secretary. She gave Climb 253 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: a check for five hundred dollars, which he used to 254 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: buy a computer to continue his work. Now that he 255 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: was no longer at the university. Climb never again met 256 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: another Nazi in person, but he continued his activities and 257 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: later that year wrote an essay on digital strategy that 258 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: he posted to the Arian Crusader Library's website. In it, 259 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: he wrote that the internet quote offers enormous opportunity for 260 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: the Arian resistance to disseminate our message to the unaware 261 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: and the ignorant. It is the only relatively uncensored, free 262 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: forum mass medium which we have available. The state cannot 263 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: yet stop us from advertising our ideas and organizations now 264 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: was the time to grasp the weapon, which is the net, 265 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: and wield it skillfully and wisely, while you may still 266 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: do so freely. He was right, never stop posting, never 267 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: stop posting. Perfect forum for loan wolves. Yeah Yeah, loan 268 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: wolves in the mid nineteen nineties, using at an early 269 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: predecessor to modern forum culture, was where most online discussions occurred. 270 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: The most critical Nazi destinations head names like all dot Nationalism, 271 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: dot white, all dot revolution, dot counter, alt dot skinhead, 272 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: and as a prelude to eight Chans pullboard alt dot politics. 273 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: This is all very much in line with the ideas 274 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: that Bayham had laid out a decade earlier, but Climb 275 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: wanted to see his fellow fascists move on from their 276 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: digital safe spaces and become what he called cyber guerrillas. Quote. 277 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: He decided they should quote take up positions on mainstream 278 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: groups except on our groups. Avoid the race issue. Sidestep 279 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: at as much as possible. We don't have time to 280 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: defend our stance on this issue against the comments of 281 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: hundreds of fools, liars, and degenerates who spouting the Jewish 282 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: line will slaughter our message with half troops, slander, and 283 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: the ever used sophistry that will hide that power level. 284 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: Climb's writing is particularly fascinating to me for the similarity 285 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: as I see between it and the things have encountered 286 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: in my own explorations of modern online Nazi haven eight chan. 287 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: Near the end of his essay, Climb rights, all of 288 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: my comrades and I, none of whom have ever met 289 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: face to face, share a unique camaraderie feeling as though 290 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: we have been friends for a long time. Selfless cooperation 291 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: occurs regul lily amongst my comrades for a variety of endeavors. 292 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: This feeling of comradeship is irrespective of national identity or 293 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: state borders. Now they love the word comrade. You do, 294 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: they do? Everybody loves the word comrade. Now. What Climb 295 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: expressed there is not so different from what Pawe Synagogue 296 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: shooter John Ernest related in the eighth Chan post he 297 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: made announcing the start of his rampage. It's been real, dudes. 298 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: From the bottom of my heart, thank you for everything. 299 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: Keep up the infographic red pill threats. I've only been 300 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: lurking for a year and a half. What I've learned 301 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: here is priceless. It's been an honor. Yeah, always keep posting, 302 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: Always keep posting until we start shooting. Yeah, So climbs 303 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: last line about feeling comrades ship across national barriers would 304 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: prove to be an eerie premonition of the future of 305 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: the international fascist movement, because during the late nineties and 306 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: early two thousand's, the American fascist movement went international in 307 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: a way it never had been before. Even back in 308 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: the thirties and forties, Italian, German, and Spanish fascism were 309 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: all very different beasts. One side effective propagate and that 310 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: started emanating out of the U S. As a result 311 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: of Beam's Liberty Net was that all the world sundry 312 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: fascists started getting on the same page. I found a 313 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: two thousand to study by Les Black published in the 314 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: Journal of Ethnic and Racial Studies. Les interviewed an Irish 315 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: fascist with the Internet handle white wolf Quote. During the 316 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: height of his involvement in the movement, he was spending 317 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: five hours a day online. He lives in an Irish 318 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: town where there are virtually no visible minorities. He was 319 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: drawn to the white power movement through a fascination with Nazism. 320 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: He concluded, mostly Americans are on the net, but there 321 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: are British, Irish, and lots of others from different countries. 322 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: The net breaks down the distance. A person who is 323 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: living on a two thousand acre farm in Australia and 324 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: had nobody to talk to about his views suddenly understands 325 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: that he can link people who would never have met 326 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: and talk with them, plan with them, learn and teach 327 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: one other things, help each other. Our Ozzie friend, who 328 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: may be well removed from the rest of his comrades, 329 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: can nevertheless play a part in forwarding the agenda of 330 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: a group. Racists love the Internet, Yeah, they do. People 331 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: love the Internet. People do love the Internet. Yeah, it's 332 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: like that's I mean, it's no matter who you are, 333 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: you can find your group online. And then you have 334 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: people actively trying to Yeah, he's saying all the good 335 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: things on the internet, but not saying the dark thing 336 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: use it to do what they do. It's like when 337 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: you like when you talk about like isis recruitment and stuff. 338 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: I've been thinking that this entire book about how upset 339 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: I keep saying terrorist, but yeah, it's like isis recruitment? Yeah, 340 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: same basic strategy, going after the same pool of people. 341 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: Seventeen years later, a young man who might very well 342 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: have been the Aussie friend that White Wolf was talking about. 343 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 1: Brendan Tarrant drove to a mosque in christ Church, New 344 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: Zealand and gunned down more than fifty people. Like white Wolf, 345 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: Brinton was a loner, spending hours a day online building 346 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: a sense of rapport with his far from digital comrades 347 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: and fascism before finally deciding to take action. Now, the 348 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: thing that really shocked me when I started digging into 349 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: this research was how damned groundbreaking the fascists were in 350 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: their understanding of what online culture would become and how 351 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: to manipulate it. I'm going to quote from that book 352 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: that I quoted from earlier Nation and Race quote. This 353 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: arena has spawned its own language, im combines previous forms 354 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: of right wing organizing with new political strategies. C and 355 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: G various really referred to as the cyber Nationalist Group, 356 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: cyber Nazi Group, or Computer Nationalist Group, is the brainchild 357 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: of activist Jeff Foss. In his article entitled the C 358 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: and G an Idea for Online organization, A Complete division 359 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: of Labors outlined that assigns operatives particular roles within an 360 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: overall strategy Voss makes a distinction between idea men and 361 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: men of action. The former provide background information for the 362 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: latter to post within usenet. This manifesto outlines four different 363 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: types of foreground operative d I s S. A subtle 364 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: disseminator of information, places it on FTP sites and makes 365 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: subtle references to endorsements of such info on news, usually 366 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: pretending to be a disinterested observer. A pirate, a person 367 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: who will pirate an account for a one shot high 368 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: saturation dissemination of propaganda. An impersonator who impersonates the enemy, 369 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: posting embarrassing the left, infuriating the enemy. And an infiltrator 370 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: who infiltrates the enemy camp shipped out their hands over there, 371 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: ye man. Fascists were some of the first folks to 372 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: develop a cohesive strategy around what they called flaming. As 373 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: early as the researchers into online extremism her to realize 374 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: that quote a common endpoint used by right wing activists 375 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: is the stylized disclaimer I am not a Nazi. Those 376 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: same researchers also noted the use of mail bombs or 377 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: software that allowed fascists to deluse your recipient and hundreds 378 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: upon hundreds of pieces of spam email in order to 379 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: make an opponent's account functionally unusable. Twenty one years later, 380 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 1: when I wrote my first article critical of eight chan 381 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: and the lead up to the two thousand and sixteen election, 382 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: my work count was deluged in a massive flow of 383 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: spam emails, which why I still get emails from homeschooling 384 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: dot com every day now. Wyatt Caldenberg was an internet 385 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: activist affiliated with Tom Metzger's White Arian Resistance or WAR. 386 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: We haven't talked much about them in this audio book 387 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: because I had to limit my focus somewhere. But Tom 388 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: was a major part of the skin head movement as 389 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: well as an associative the Order. Back in the nineteen seventies, 390 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: he worked with David Duke to help organize the clan 391 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: border Watch. Why It helped spread War's message online and 392 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: gained infamy as one of the first proponents for what 393 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: would come to be known as brigading, disrupting other online 394 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: communities in an organized way. Why It wrote this ought 395 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: to bey our new tactic. Instead of hanging out around 396 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: the four racist news groups, we can hit news groups 397 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: as a mob. We cannot win when we are out 398 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: numbered by Jews. But if we go in as a group, 399 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: we can win with the average Joe six pack post 400 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: fact about black crime. Give them your update numbers, web addresses, 401 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: push books, newspapers, Yeah, what Yer's up. Fascist groups like 402 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: the Carolinian lords of the CAUCUSUS started going into news 403 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: groups dedicated to loneliness and people who had just ended relationships. 404 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: They went into news groups for popular musicians, and even 405 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: the news group for Denny's, which might as well just 406 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: be a support group for lonely people. Raids like this 407 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: were often just for the purpose of harassment, but over 408 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: the years fascists got better and better at spreading their 409 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: ideology in this way. They quickly hit upon the tactic 410 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: of hiding their beliefs is humor, retreating behind the shield 411 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: of we're just joke when people responded badly to their 412 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: rants about Jewish people or black on black crime, like 413 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: Hitler did earlier did earlier, Yeah it all ties together. 414 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: Christian identity theology also spread online in this period. I 415 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: found an article in the Journal of Black Studies written 416 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: by Tiny Sharp in two thousand. She noted the Internet 417 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: has become a primary means for disseminating information for these groups. Currently, 418 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: there are twenty five websites and thirteen news groups devoted 419 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: specifically to identity Christianity on the Worldwide Web, as well 420 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: as a hundred thirty other websites that are devoted to 421 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: similar and related topics. Individuals can tap into these websites 422 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: and find procedures for making bombs, obtain hate propaganda tracks, 423 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: and request catalogs that market White supermancist books and paraphernalia. 424 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: So that's cool. It's very cool, very cool. You know 425 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: what's even cooler than spreading Christian identity theology online in 426 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: the year two thousand tons of stuff? Man, Yes, lots, 427 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: including the products and services that support our show. Could 428 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: I could I get some of those those nuts some seeds? Yes, 429 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: places nuts? Oh wait no, almost that was really effective. 430 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: I just want I'll have something, all right, SOPHI and 431 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: are going to do the exchange of the lacroix A. 432 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: You throw me the idle and all through you the whip. 433 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: I have the perry at every time we do this, 434 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: zeck or audio man looks back at me with this 435 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: bailful look. Just what are you doing to the recording? 436 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: Great idea, you're like lording over We're back, and I'm 437 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: a villain stroking a case of Perry as if it's 438 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: a cat, And what are you about to do to 439 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: that Perry? I'm going to throw it and it will 440 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: be the last time I can throw something, because we've 441 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: done it way too much in this this episode series. 442 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: It's fun in the room. I know it's going to 443 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: wear on people in the recording, but you can't. You 444 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: can't edit audio, you can't cut this stuff out. It 445 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: turns out you can. Nope. I'm undecided. Bit by bit 446 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: and almost entirely in a decentralized manner, the digital right 447 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: came together in the early two thousand's. Law enforcement was 448 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: not just helpless to do anything. It's debatable whether or 449 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: not they even realized what was happening. Most of their 450 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: online efforts were spent keeping track of known quantities with 451 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: long standing online ties like Don Black and its popular 452 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: fascist website Stormfront. Now Stormfront is important. Nearly a hundred 453 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: hate crime murders have been traced to the site, but 454 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: the FBI wasn't even particularly good at monitoring them, which 455 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: is why nearly a hundred murders were traced to site. 456 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: In July two nineteen in response to a foire request, 457 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: the Beer admitted that they had somehow lost almost all 458 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: of their files on Stormfront. Internal files on like white 459 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: supremacist movement be lost, not worth Yeah, I can't think 460 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: of a theory, right, Cody. It sounds like you're about 461 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: to accuse the FBI, the bureau of whom a member 462 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: heroically was present during the Greensboro massacre and didn't do 463 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: anything to stop it. That you're going to accuse that 464 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: FBI of acting to defend the storm Front. I don't 465 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: know what I was thinking. I took the conspiracy pill, 466 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: you know what. I think the FBI is good and 467 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: Bob Mueller is going to save us. I yeah, man, 468 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: you're it's gonna be all. Everything's gonna be real good. 469 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. And go away in handcuffs that guy. Yeah. 470 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: So the FBI only did a quarter ass job of 471 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: monitoring the most obvious Nazis online, and if that's the case, 472 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: it's probably not surprising that they completely failed to notice 473 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: when fascists started infiltrating communities on websites like four chain 474 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: and Reddit. It happened slowly, camouflaged an irony and humor. 475 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: As a young man I was only vaguely aware of 476 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: the change is taking place in the digital spaces I've 477 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: grown up around. Holocaust jokes became more common, so did 478 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: racist humor. More than just growing more frequent, these jokes 479 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: grew more specific, evolving from jibes about Jewish people being 480 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: stingy with money clearly inspired by South Park, uh two 481 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: memes about how Hitler did nothing wrong, and image macros 482 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: that repeated bad science about race and i Q. In 483 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, I found an article on The Observer 484 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: by holocaust scholar Timothy Snyder, and it he comments on 485 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: the use of irony and humor by fascist mainstream Their 486 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: views quote what the twenty one century culture is introduced 487 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: is that nothing is really serious. And that is an 488 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: interestingly dangerous idea, because if nothing is serious, you can 489 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: have this ambiguity where you can actually be doing something 490 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: very serious but you're pretending not to and you can 491 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: always fall back and say, well, that was just a joke, 492 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: because everything is just a joke. But of course you 493 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: don't really believe that everything is just a joke, or 494 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: you wouldn't be promoting fascism or white supremacy or whatever 495 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: it may be. Yeah, that's well said. Yeah, Tim designer 496 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: knows his fucking ships art quote. That's that too. I 497 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: should have brought it up, because I can't. I don't 498 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: remember it, but it describes that sort of like you 499 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: say it and then when it's a little too far, 500 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: like yeah, stoke challenge and then they sort of walk away. Yeah. 501 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: Whether or not you laugh determines whether or not at 502 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: a side, I was joking, Yeah, Mr prank bro, just 503 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: a prank bro. Don't you have a sense of humor? Yeah? 504 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: Four things on the internet rather suddenly boiled over into 505 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: the cultural phenomenon known as gamer Gate. On its surface, 506 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: gamer gate was a reaction to corruption to video games journalism. 507 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: In reality, it was an eruption of white and male 508 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: supremacist hatred, an attack on modernity and liberalism by an 509 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: army of young men who believed they've been wrong by society. 510 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: There has not yet been a great deal of research 511 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: into whether or not there was an organized attempt by 512 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: the white power movement to co opt gamer Gate, but 513 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: there is ample evidence that the ideas of that movement 514 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: quickly made it into popular memes spread by gamer gators. 515 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: During my research, I came across the threat on the 516 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: website cetera, filled with other confused digital natives trying to 517 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: figure out just what the get happened with gamer Gate. 518 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: One user posted a series of memes he'd saved during 519 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: that time. In retrospect, they seem to show a progressive 520 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: descent into white nationalism. The first is a propaganda poster 521 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: featuring a cartoon mascot of four chance pollboard Polina, advising 522 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: the annons of poll on how to effectively aid the movement. 523 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: Polina is blonde haired and blued eyed. At the top 524 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: of the poster are the words who is that girl? 525 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: Blonde haired, blue eyes, fair skin? Why it must be Polina. 526 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: Another meme from further on on the collection is significantly Nazi. 527 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: Here it's based around an old labor movement political cartoon 528 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: pyramid of a modern capitalist system, showing laborers on the 529 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: very bottom being exploited by the classes above them. In 530 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: the gamer Gate adaptation, gamers are the bottom of the pyramid, 531 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: with games journalists above them, critical theorist social justice warriors 532 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: like Anita Sarkeesian above them, cultural Marxist academia above them, 533 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: and then fasts alone's a top represented by an Illuminati 534 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: eye symbol. We don't see explicit anti Semitism in this cartoon, 535 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: but it is there subtly in the caricature drawings of 536 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: Jewish video game critics. It's clear at this point that 537 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: some white power talking points had started to mutate to 538 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: better appeal to modern and extremely online youths. Yeah, especially 539 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: more effective because it's like that dork fantasy ship gamers. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 540 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: we're just joking. We're just joking, same like source of 541 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: resentment to that and yeah, something gravitate towards it's the 542 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: KKK do Loser stuff. Yeah, I know exactly, and it's 543 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: it's it's especially frustrating because it's so it is clear 544 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: that that's there is a connection there. Um, but because 545 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: it's a lot of image boards like four Chan, it 546 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: disappears really quickly. Um, so there's less record of that 547 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: time of the sort of the proto what's going on. Yeah, 548 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: we'll have all these up on our website behind the 549 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: Bastards dot com and of course the War on Everyone 550 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: dot Com, which I have not plugged enough in this series. 551 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: We're just we're just eventually the harassment of video game 552 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: journe Listen critics, most of whom were women grew severe 553 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: and illegal enough that four chan exiled its gamer gators. 554 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: Many of them migrated to eight chan, and over the 555 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: next several years they grew more radical and more explicitly fascist, 556 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: until eventually they were openly planning for how to cause 557 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: a new Holocaust. It's impossible to know how much of 558 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: the ironic fascist hip postings started off innocently and how 559 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: much of it was seated by white power activists, but 560 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: we know they were engaging in that behavior purposefully for 561 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: more than twenty years, and in the years after gamer Gate, 562 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: this work has paid dividends. The true danger of the 563 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: digital Reich was best expressed by Alex Curtis, the publisher 564 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: of an extremist neo Nazi magazine and self proclaimed lone 565 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: wolf of hate. In the early two thousands, he wrote 566 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: of his hope that quote some well placed arians will 567 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: one day cause some serious wreckage A thousand Timothy mcveigh's 568 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: would end any semblance of stability in this racially corrupt society. 569 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: There's got to find enough of lone wolves yep, connected 570 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: by some magic computer thing, some historical echo that won't 571 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: go away. Yah um continue. No, we have not yet 572 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: reached a thousands of Mathew mcphase thankfully. But we have 573 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: seen a market increase in the amount of right wing 574 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: domestic terror over the last several years. And yeah, yeah, 575 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: and it certainly seems to be driven largely by online radicalization. 576 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: Robert Bowers, the Tree of Life synagogue shooter, was radicalized 577 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: in part on gab, social network for Nazis. He announced 578 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: the start of his rampage there. Six months later, the 579 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: Paways Synagogue shooter announced the start of his rampage on 580 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: a Chan, as had the christ shooters six weeks prior. 581 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: There are other names in the roll call of Internet 582 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: inspired fascist violence. The Adam Often terrorist group, responsible for 583 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: three murders so far, started off with extremely online Nazis 584 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: working to form a terror cell. In imitation of the 585 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: book Siege, written by James Mason, we talked briefly about 586 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: Mason and Siege at the start of this book. He 587 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: was a student of William Pierce, and Siege might thus 588 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: be understood as a more academic accompanying text to the 589 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: Turner Diaries, where the Diaries proposes fiction, Siege outlines and 590 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: strategic depth. Mason advocates for leaderless resistance and lone wolf 591 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: style attacks. The lone wolf cannot be detected, can not 592 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: be prevented, and seldom can be traced. If I were 593 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: asked by any one of my opinion on what to 594 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: look for or hope for next, I would tell them 595 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: a wave of killings or assassinations of system bureaucrats by 596 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: roving gunmen who have their strategy well mapped out in advance, 597 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: and while not impossible to stop. Early in two thousand nineteen, 598 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: Coast Guard Lieutenant Christopher Hasson was caught planning this exact 599 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: sort of attack. He had a cash of weapons and 600 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: AMMO and a kill list of journalists and Democratic politicians. 601 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: Hassan was obsessed with the manifesto of Anders Brevick, a 602 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: right wing shooter who murdered dozens of students in Newtoy 603 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: and Norway. We don't know when where he first came 604 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 1: into contact with that manifesto, but spreading it has been 605 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: a priority of online fascists for years. In the wake 606 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: of the christ Choot shooting, fascists have started spreading Brentan 607 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: Terrence manifesto as well. The Paways Synagogue shooters cited both 608 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: manifestos as inspirations for his attack. In his own rampage 609 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: thought on h CHAN the Poway shooters stated his desire 610 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: to beat Terrence high score. In this we see echoes 611 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: of Eric Harris, the Columbine shooter, who was obsessed with 612 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: beating Timothy mcphay's high score. Right now as I read this, 613 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: violent armed men and h ND's pole board in numerous 614 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: Discord chat rooms are plotting for WATTE that they might 615 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: beat their heroes and win a high score of their own. 616 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: On telegram. The Bowl Patrol, a group of young fascists 617 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: dedicated to Charleston Church shooter Dylan Rufe, celebrates sat Rufe 618 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: and fantasize about neuva acts of violence in his name. 619 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: The early Harvest and Blood These Young Men Will reap 620 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: was sewn by Louie Beam, William Pearce, and Bob Matthews. Now, 621 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: though there is no need for an organization to buy 622 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: up arms and plan terror attacks, the order proved to 623 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: be less resilient than the completely decentralized radicalization and killing 624 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: machine made possible by the advent of the Internet. The 625 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: Internet has given the White Power movement a steady supply 626 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,239 Speaker 1: of armed and ready young killers, living cruise missiles who 627 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: strike unpredictably. It targets around the country bit by bit. 628 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 1: Their attacks chisel away at our sense of security, our 629 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: national stability, and our trust in each other. It took decades, 630 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: but Louis Beam and his comrades did bring the war 631 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: home to all of us and against all of us. Yeah. 632 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: Cool chapter. Yeah, it's just it's just the game of 633 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: thing is so interesting. Yeah, and and and apparent it's 634 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: like gamers, but like there's that element that it that 635 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: it's drawn to. And like with the Donny Field shooting 636 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: live streaming it like that's you're you're broadcasting a video game. Yeah, exactly, 637 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: You're trying to make it look like Call of Duty 638 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: and then you get the high score talk and then 639 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: it accelerates it even more horrifying to see it all 640 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: laid out so linear like this. The single biggest surprise 641 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: to me and researching this was when I came upon 642 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: the fact that um Eric Harris had specifically stated his 643 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: desire to beat Timothy mcveigh's kill count, like realizing like, oh, 644 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: that part it's the same thing, like it really all 645 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: of it, like the like that's the probably look at 646 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: this so much is like separated and like even as 647 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: far back as like the fact that like the Nazis 648 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: trying to recruit kids on the Internet, Like one of 649 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: the guys doing that had his computer bought for him 650 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: by William Pierce's National Alliance, the guy who wrote The 651 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: Turner Diaries, the book which inspired Timothy McVeigh, which inspired 652 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: Eric Harris, which inspired seventy nine other mass shooters. Like yeah, 653 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: it's a whole it's a whole web. It's really hard 654 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: to it's really hard to describe to lay out because 655 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: there's so much I had to leave out, Like I 656 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: could I could have done this whole thing about I 657 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: could have done a whole seven part episode on like 658 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: Alex Jones's ties to explicit terrorists. Like that's the one 659 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: of the most frustrating things because it's like once you 660 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: once you see it, it's not you see it everywhere. 661 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: Once you see it, you see it where it is, 662 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: you realize how big it is. Yeah yeah, um, and 663 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's so upsetting. It is upsetting. What's even 664 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: more upsetting is that it's time for me to throw 665 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: the peria or yeah, yeah, you better move away from 666 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 1: that point because that's where I'm gonna check it at 667 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: no it's okay, it's okay, al right, guys, Cody, I 668 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: need you to get close to your microphone and describe 669 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: this as I do it. No one seems thrilled about it. 670 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: Sophie's hiding it's not really hot, and she just sort 671 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: of like sleeping. Oh I'm looking through the chair. I'm 672 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: really not doing a great job. Robert stood up, two 673 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: hands on the perry a winding up, taking a few breaths, 674 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: throwing it. Three hands fell out. Hay shouted. That was 675 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: so anti climactic. Well, it popped. It's just a new 676 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: way to open up a box, a little of perry. Yeah, 677 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: it worked. Now we have one for everybody. I dare 678 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: you to open it all if you're worried. Was for nothing? 679 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: Did you film it? There's one for each of us. 680 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: Here we go. I don't want one, Yeah, I just 681 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: prefer throwing it. Oh yeah, pretty, you should open it now, though, 682 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: I mean to see nothing complete disappointing about this has 683 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: been disappointing except for you, Robert, refreshing and your work. Well, 684 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: can I have some good you know what? Yeah, in 685 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: the moment, I'm going to close it real quick. Get 686 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: Cody closes things really meticulously and well, so I'm not 687 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: surprised that it didn't open when you threw it against 688 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: the wall. You're gonna make sure it's closed. What I'm 689 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: surprised about is what good audio content our choices in 690 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: this eight part seven parts, Cody dropped a bunch out 691 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 1: of the bag. I got them. It's fine. Well, guys, 692 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: I don't really want to. I just want everybody to read. 693 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: I guess you already listened to the book. People to 694 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: read the book. It's a topic that everybody aware of. 695 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm really glad we did this. I'm 696 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: glad we did this too. I wish we hated myself 697 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: during it. Yeah, yeah, I didn't smoke earlier. But I 698 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: wish we didn't smoke earlier too. But you know, we 699 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: all learned things. We take these just like I apologize, 700 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: let's not say just like nope, just like Louis Speed. Okay, 701 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: that's I guess what we learned. So some more news. 702 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: Name is Cody, and my name's behind the Bastards dot com, 703 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: the website where you can find the sources for this podcast. 704 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: You can also find it on the War on Everyone 705 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: dot com. You can buy shirts on to public dot 706 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: com by looking for behind the Bastards. We have a 707 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: Twitter at at bastards pod and an Instagram at the 708 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: same name, disgusted. So you're proud. Oh yeah, because I 709 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: remember too. Finally either at all. Well, guys, time to 710 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: go online. Yeah. I just threw some seeds at coding. 711 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: The episode is done.