1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food stuff. I'm Any Reefs and 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren Vogeldam, and today we're talking about tea time. Yeah, 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: it's tea time time. It's a time for tea and 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: this means it's also time at last for us to 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: discuss something that I have a food intolerance to. Oh no, 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: at least I think I do. I mean I've never 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: like officially gotten any Yes, you are on tolerance to 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: this sort of box checked. Sure, well, if it just 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: makes your guts all rumbily. Usually when you go to 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: a doctor and say, eating this makes my guts all rumbily, 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: they'll just go stop eating that. And I'm like no, 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: and they're like, get out if you won't take my advice. 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: That's pretty much how a lot of my doctors and 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: moments ago. Um. It makes me really like itchy and nauseated, 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: and I feel like I can't get enough water. And 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: the same thing happens to me with mint. And I 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: looked it up online and it sounds like it one. 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: I'm probably brewing my tea in cracular or um. It's 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: just it's it's a certain type of tannin that's present 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: in both of those I think but possibly I'm sensitive 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: to I don't know. I still drink it and then 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: like an hour later I'm like why Because I do 23 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: really like it and I'm not the only one. After water, 24 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: tea is the most consumed liquid in the world. Wow. Yeah, 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: but today we are focusing on tea time. We will 26 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: come back for the whole tea episode. Oh yes, absolutely, 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: that's it's going to be a lot. I'm really excited 28 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: about it. I'm excited about not doing it today, Yes, 29 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: because we have we're bringing in a friend of ours 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: that some of you may have seen on a video 31 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: that we did about apple Pie, ancient apple and that 32 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: ancient apple pie just really old apple pie, old timmy 33 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: pie Um. And she is our good friend, Julia, and 34 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: she's really rad um and she is writing the book. Yes, 35 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: so she seems like the right person to go to. Yeah. 36 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: So she joined us in the studio and we are 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: going to get right into it. So, so yeah, take 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: it away, past, Lauren and Annie. So our guest here 39 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: today is Dr Julius Skidder, who is a food historian 40 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: and artist and all around rad human person who's also 41 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: the founder and director of Root Root being, a project 42 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: that explores the connections between communities and food, sort of past, 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: president and future through recipes and hands on education and discussion. Um. 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: She's also working on a book about afternoon Tea. So, hi, Julia, welcome, 45 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, thank you for being here. Would you 46 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about yourself? Yeah, so, um, 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: I am. I've had a very broad training, so I've 48 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: my doctorate in lie Brave science. But I do not 49 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: work in a library anymore. But I did until somewhat recently, 50 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: and then I left to UH to start this food 51 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: history organization that you said does a lot with with 52 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: community and with building that community, um, using food. I 53 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: also do a lot of research I do. So the 54 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: Afternoon Tea book developed out of some research relationships I 55 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: already had, and it just kind of popped up and 56 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: I was suddenly writing about afternoon tea. Um. But I've 57 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: done other projects seventeenth century English food, for example. I'm 58 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: right now researching Appalachian food history for an event I'm 59 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: doing with the Patchworks Museum, which is here in town. 60 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, I and I do other other random things 61 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: like garden and I make art, and I travel all 62 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: over the place, and it's very very random Hodgepodge existence. 63 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: But I enjoy it. Yeah, yeah, no, all of that, 64 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: All of that is incredibly exciting. Okay. He sort of 65 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: said that it just sort of happened, But I don't 66 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: entirely believe that you were just suddenly one day like 67 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: like like, oh, well, I guess I guess this thing 68 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: that I'm typing is now a whole book on afternoon tea. 69 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: How how did you get onto the subject of afternoon tea? So? Um. 70 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: One of my colleagues, cannelballa um. He he has been 71 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: a mentor and friend of mine for years, and he 72 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: is editing a series on various food history topics. And 73 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: he approached some folks and was like, I need I 74 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: have all these other meals that I want to cover, 75 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: and I don't have anybody to write about them. And 76 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: he was like afternoon tea, for example. And I was like, oh, 77 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: I'll do that one, I guess. So and So then 78 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: realized I knew nothing about afternoon tea, right, and so 79 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: I just just like, oh, well, I've agreed to write 80 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: this book and I've got it. Let's see, what was 81 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: it two and a half years or something to figure 82 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: out how to Yeah, And I was like, cool, that's 83 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: funny of time. And then you know, also I was 84 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: working full time and everything. It's not like I could 85 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: sit and just write about it, you know, for extended periods. 86 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: So we got about a year out from the deadline 87 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: and I realized I had written like thirty pages. I 88 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: was like, oh god. And so the last year there 89 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: was a lot of very hectic writing and researching, but 90 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: it got done on the deadline day. Congratulations. We are 91 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: going to have a whole episode on the like history 92 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: and science of tea itself. But but in in brief, 93 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: what do people need to know about tea in order 94 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: to start understanding afternoon tea? I would say what what 95 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: I find most interesting about tea the product and afternoon 96 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: tea the meal is that the meal relies on this 97 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, imported product that's you know, it's this very 98 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: British thing, but the kind of the center point of 99 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: it is not British at all. Um. It didn't show 100 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: up in England until the sixt dreds um. So you've 101 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: got that connection between between an imported product and English identity. 102 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: Um tea itself. I ended up not learning a ton 103 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: about all the different varieties and all of those things. 104 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 1: I was surprised at the the tea making process, so 105 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, the leaves are fermented and you have all 106 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: that stuff that happens right right, Um, All of that 107 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: I found interesting because I think I just always thought 108 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: that you just like picked him off the plant and 109 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: dried them and then you had tea. As as with 110 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: many products, it's it's a surprisingly um to to me, 111 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: to my like ignorant self, it's always a surprisingly complex 112 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: process that always has to do with bacteria poop. And 113 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, yes, it's always my favorite discovery. Yes, um. 114 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: And speaking of kind of complicated, more complicated answers than 115 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: you perhaps would expect, we haven't and on this show, 116 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: starting every topic with the basic question that bears a 117 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: very complicated answer, which we spend the rest of the 118 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: episode unpacking, and that is what is it so afternoon tea? 119 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: What is it so? Afternoon tea? Is a meal that 120 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, we all when we think of afternoon tea, 121 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: we think of all the little tea trays and all 122 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: the little fancy pedaphores and all that kind of stuff, 123 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: dainty little cup cups. Yeah, except for you don't actually 124 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: want to do that, apparently, um, but it's got this 125 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: incredibly complex history and l me know where how we 126 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: refer to it depends, you know, where we are geographically. Um, 127 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: what Americans think it is versus what it tends to 128 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: mean for a British person having a daily snack meal 129 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: pretty different. There's a lot going on there. The American 130 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: version is more based on the original kind of version, um, 131 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: the fancy yeah, version that the nobility had as opposed 132 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: to just kind of everyday people food and and the 133 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: fancy version isn't actually called okay, So so there's different 134 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: types of tea time. There's afternoon tea, there's high tea, 135 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: there's low tea. I think tea time is another term 136 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: that's actually used for kind of a different thing. Um. 137 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: And you would think that from the term high tea 138 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: that would mean the fancy one, but that's not what 139 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: it means. Low t is the fancy one. Initially, low 140 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: tea was named that from what I've researched, it because 141 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: people sat in like low chairs and then you know, 142 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: sat at their low table and their fancy dresses, which 143 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: for some reason that was a thing, um as you 144 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: do why not? And um, so that was you know, 145 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: low tea referred to kind of the table setting, and 146 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: that was that was where you got that in high 147 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: tea has had at a um, you know, a dinner 148 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: table so higher up you know, kind of what we 149 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: would think of as a normal sitting space, um, and 150 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: referred to dinner by the working class. Um. Once we 151 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: got a little later in this century, so you know, 152 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: closer to the nine hundreds. The yeah, an afternoon tea 153 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: just kind of refers to all of the afternoon snack meal, 154 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: both the low tea version and just kind of like 155 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: here's a more casual snack meal. Um. Yeah, And tea 156 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: time refers to dinner when you're up in the northern counties. 157 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: And there's probably like all these other variations on all 158 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: of that too. That just you know, my research didn't 159 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: even uncover all the nuance of because I've looked at 160 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: it for several years, but I feel like I only 161 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: scratched the surface. Like writing a two fifty page book 162 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: turns out was not even enough. We can relate to that. 163 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: We have more to say about tea time, but first 164 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick break for word from 165 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, and let's 166 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: get right back to our discussion on tea time. How 167 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: did how did this whole tradition begin? Um, So there's 168 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: there's some debate about it. Um. The standard tends to 169 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: be that the Duchess of Bedford in the eighteen forties, 170 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, got hungry and how to snack brought up 171 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: to her room, and then all of you started bringing 172 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: all of her friends, and because she was very popular 173 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: in the English court, then she became uh, you know, 174 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: she was an influencer of whatever ilk and so she 175 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: then influenced everybody else to want to do this, and 176 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: then it kind of spread through English society from there. 177 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: And that's mostly true. Um. There's some folks that have 178 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: argued that that's overly simplistic, which I mean it kind 179 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: of is, but um, but it actually was pretty close 180 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: to the truth from what I've found. So. Um, there 181 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: was one food blogger whose name I can't remember. I 182 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: would have to look it up, but they referred to 183 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: that as the Bedford Bedford orthodoxy that you like, if 184 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: you somehow went against this perception of how afternoon tea 185 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: happened and you know started and all of that, um 186 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: that you were you know, blaspheming the history of this meal. Yeah, 187 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: people get really intense about this stuff. It's a lot 188 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: um um. But this particular blogger referred to it as that, 189 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: and then somebody else came back and they're like, Okay, 190 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: you're right, Like we all do tend to focus on 191 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: this one thing, but it is actually pretty close to true. 192 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: And um, you know, all the other things you're bringing 193 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: in as data points or not, you know, don't negate 194 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: this person's influence. So basically, the kind of the full 195 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: picture of what I've seen is like, of course, this 196 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: isn't the first person who's ever had a snack, had 197 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: a smack in the afternoon that that happened. It turns out, yeah, 198 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: it's like she's not the person that started that as 199 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: a as a thing, but she is the person that 200 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: popularized it as an actual meal with its own codified 201 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: traditions and everything. So um, yeah, so she was basically 202 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: the person that did that. What are what are some 203 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: of those those codified like like etiquette related things. Do 204 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: you do you have any do you have any favorite 205 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: weird ones? Can you explain the whole process? I mean 206 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: that might be too big of a question, and it 207 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: it so it depends like when you're when you're just 208 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: like having afternoon tea with your family or friends in 209 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: your home, it's much more relaxed and whatever. If you're 210 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: if you're out for fancy tea, um, it's a little more, um, 211 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: more structured. So for example, if you stir your tea, 212 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: you want to be sure to stir it um circularly 213 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: and not like back and forth, so you don't hit 214 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: the sides of the cup with your spoon because that 215 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: makes noise and that's apparently bad. Like I'm not fancy 216 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: enough to do actual to you, Like I've tried it 217 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: a couple of times and I'm just like I'm failing. 218 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, Like I'm too much of a trash 219 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: person for this. So um yeah, like the pinkies out 220 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: thing you're not supposed to do. Um that apparently is 221 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: considered tacky and something that like, yeah that I think 222 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: we for some reason culturally assume looks fancy and I'm 223 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: not sure why, but it tends to be associated with 224 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: people who have not actually ever done tea time kind 225 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: of thing. Okay, so it's like, oh, look at that, please, 226 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: trying to pretend that they're like we are. Yeah, but 227 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: I find it useful. I feel like it help balance. Yeah, 228 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: I do it, like like with coke. Yeah, yeah, I 229 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: don't drink coke. What am I talking with? Canned drinks? 230 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: My pinkie just naturally comes out. Yeah. I always when 231 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: I was a kid, I did that. Like my my 232 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: dad called me Chris when I was a kid because 233 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: my pinkies would stick out when I would drink like 234 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: out of a bottle or up or anything that's adorable. 235 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: As an adult, so now I'm like hyper aware of it, 236 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, must keep and fingers clenched at all times. Yes, yes, um, 237 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: were there were there any other little bits and bobs 238 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: of etiquette that you wanted to talk about? That's the 239 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: one that most comes to mind. There's all sorts of 240 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: other other kind of little things, but for some reason, 241 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: the teacup, like stirring the teacup properly really struck with 242 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: me because it's something I just have never thought of. 243 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: And then when I'm reading it and I'm like, oh, 244 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: you like you have to think about really literally every movement, um, 245 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: if you want to do this, you know properly, like 246 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: if I'm having you know, tea with the Queen, which 247 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: is never going to happen. But if it did, I 248 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: would have to think about how I'm stirring my tea. Yeah, 249 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like a relaxing time at all. No, no, no, 250 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't think. So how did this how did this 251 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: very English, very upper class concept um spread throughout the world. Well, so, um, 252 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: eighteen forties was when this started becoming popular, and so 253 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: that's if you look at a broader English history, that's 254 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: when um, so English had been a colonial power for 255 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: some time, but colonialism was really getting um much more 256 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: extra and there was a lot more of it happening. 257 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: It was it was gearing up, it was gearing up. 258 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: There we go. That's that makes more sense. Um No, 259 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: I think that much more extra is also an appropriate descriptor. 260 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: They were pretty. They were pretty an extra they were 261 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: they really were. Um. Yeah. And so as this became 262 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: popular there there was UM. It started out as an 263 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: upper class tradition. UM started um kind of moving through 264 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: the upper class. And then you know, as you see 265 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: with some other few traditions, people who were middle class 266 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: or upper middle class who were trying to emulate people 267 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: that were wealthier would start to do that you know, 268 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: pick up various cultural traditions that they felt would go 269 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: with UM, went with that that status, and then it 270 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: just kind of moved through English society from there and 271 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: became pretty entrenched pretty quickly. I mean, by the time 272 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: we're at nineteen hundred, it's, uh, it's a pretty established thing. 273 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: And so the English English colonial power is still growing 274 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: at this time, and so more and more English people 275 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: are going around the world colonizing things and were settling 276 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: in colonies, bringing with them these traditions, and so that's 277 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: how it spread and how how has all of that 278 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: changed from the eighteen and nineteen hundred's to today, Like, like, 279 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: is there anything shockingly new in the afternoon tea scene. 280 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: There's a lot more variety in afternoon tea. So there's 281 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: a lot of like fusion afternoon teas in England now. 282 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: So there's ones that either bring um components from different cultures, 283 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: which I find fascinating because they're like ones that have 284 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: components from all of these different cultures that have been 285 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: colonized by England, and then their foods are being brought 286 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: to like a fancy thirty or forty dollar a person 287 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: meal in England. It's it's this weird interplay that makes 288 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: me feel a lot of feelings. Um. Yeah, there's a 289 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: lot more variety in England, but there's still you know, 290 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: the very staunch traditional kind of tea as well, and 291 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: then there's around the world. I was amazed by the 292 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: consistency of afternoon tea UM in different colonies. So even 293 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: in India, where you see local you know, fried snacks 294 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: and things as an accompaniment, you also still see like 295 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: finger sandwiches and stuff that are decidedly not Indian foods 296 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: um that are still holdovers um, just because they're so 297 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: closely associated with that meal. Have you had the opportunity 298 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: to experience any of these modern tea times. I so, 299 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: I was in England in high school for a couple 300 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: of weeks and I had tried it a couple of times. 301 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: Then I've tried a handful of them here in the States, 302 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: including it Dr Bombays, which is very nice um and 303 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, much more in line with my like I 304 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: want to relaxed experience of a pot of tea and 305 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: then just like give me a lot of small food 306 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: please absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, it's very chill there. Yeah. Um. 307 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: I've had as an adult to fancy fancy tea a 308 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: couple of times, you know, gone in and Gonda. It's 309 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: usually the hotel restaurants that seemed to do that the most, 310 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: and so I've tried that a couple of times. I 311 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: don't really like it as much is the cafe, but 312 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people do, because like every 313 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: fancy hotel has that. Um I always wonder how many 314 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: people really show up for those things and whether they're 315 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: again yeah, like kind of these this this middle class 316 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: people kind of presuming to this to this upper class level. 317 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: And I mean, and or whether if people from Europe 318 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: come over here they just expect it at fancy places. 319 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, well I think you know, when 320 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: Americans go over to England too, I think we expect 321 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: like that's that's kind of what fancy in England is 322 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: denoted as a mind you know. So there you don't 323 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: see like here, how we have Hotel high Tea. You 324 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: don't see it called high Tea over there because again 325 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: the many uh many strong opinions about you know, naming, 326 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: regional variations and everything, and so yeah, and here we 327 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: just kind of call it whatever and people are like, oh, 328 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: it's fancy. Yeah, I kind of remzed me of our 329 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: tipping episode where the U s didn't tip until rich 330 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: people went over to Europe and they kind of tipped, 331 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: and then they were like, oh, let's be let's go 332 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: and start tipping. And then Europe got it rid of 333 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: it and we went completely in the opposite direction. Um So, 334 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if it's the thing of people visiting Europe 335 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: and wanting to come back and re experience what they 336 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: think is quite fancy. And it's interesting here because in 337 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: the US, um So, we were no longer a colony 338 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: by the time that an afternoon te developed, doesn't I mean, 339 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: we hadn't been for over a hundred years or a 340 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: hundred years or whatever by the time it really got popular. 341 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: Um So, it wasn't until the twentieth century, like the 342 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties that people were like, oh, afternoon tea, that's fancy, 343 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: and then it kind of um here and in England 344 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: almost faded out completely in the nineties, like eighties and nineties, 345 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: there was this um this whole thing where afternoon tea 346 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: almost disappeared, but then it didn't. Now it's back with 347 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: greater popularity both here and in England. Really it has 348 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: is there a historical source for I mean, is there 349 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: like a theory of why that happened? Um? I think 350 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: it was just that people so afternoon tea developed because 351 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: we had such a long break between um, lunch and dinner, 352 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: right um, And so I think it developed because people 353 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: were kind of having more grab and go foods and 354 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: when you go to a coffeehouse and whatever, and afternoon 355 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: tea where you'd get like, you know, a crappy like 356 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: tea bag and whatever. Like, they kind of stopped putting 357 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: a lot of work into it, and so then afternoon 358 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: tea just became like, here's like some tea and like 359 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: a scone and so like nobody really wanted that anymore. 360 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: And then it kind of got more popular. People started 361 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, being like, oh, we can bring in these 362 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: other teas, herbal teas, for example, in addition to just 363 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: regular black tea, more variety of stuff to go with it. Yeah, 364 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: and then it started picking back up, Yeah, I guess 365 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: probably also Yeah, and in conjunction with the spread of 366 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: those like like premium te stores in the United States. Yeah. Yeah, 367 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: I love how the eighties was just the death of 368 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: a lot of amazing culture. That's we talked more or 369 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: less continually about like every time we talked about a 370 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: alcoholic beverage. It went through a dark time in the 371 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: eighties when it just didn't happen and it almost died out. Yeah, 372 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: what was it about like beverages in the eighties, Like 373 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: why why like kind of cheap and flashy to like 374 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: not use the natural ingredients anymore. You would use like 375 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: prepackaged sugar stuff and just show off like, hey, look 376 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: how modern I am cow modern drink. Yeah, it's sort 377 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: of like the mid century thing where all of a 378 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: sudden it was just like why use real food when 379 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 1: you can use jello? Yeah for everything. It is like 380 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: that because aspects were away to be like both cheap 381 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: and to show off jello. Yeah, we've really hit something 382 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: on the head here. Yeah, I'm not sure what we've 383 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: really hit the jello on the head. Yes. Uh, what 384 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: would if you if you could have your own ultimate 385 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: afternoon tea? What would it be? What would it consist of? 386 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: M hmm. I think for me more than the stuff 387 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: on the table. What I love about afternoon tea is 388 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: that it was developed. You know, it started as like 389 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: this person having a snack, but then it quickly developed 390 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: that she was bringing her friends with her, and so 391 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: it pretty much from the get go was a very 392 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: community oriented UM gathering. So it was it was very 393 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: casual hang out chat um. So for me, it would 394 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: be more about having people around me that I wanted 395 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: to be comfortable with and be around. Um, you know, 396 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: and probably somebody who knows more about actual varieties of 397 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: tea selecting the tea for me. UM, I don't know 398 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: a ton about that, so um yeah, And I mean, 399 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I know that they're you know, kind 400 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: of cheesy, but I do like tiny finger sandwiches and 401 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: I will I will eat a lot of them in 402 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 1: one sitting. I've surprised myself when I was writing this 403 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: book how many I could eat. I think it was 404 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: like twenty. Heck, yeah, they're very small, they are go 405 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: away and like one bit. I've always found it interesting 406 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: and I kind of touched on this well. I don't 407 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: can't remember what episode it was forever ago, but that 408 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: tea time was a pretty much female thing and it 409 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: was kind of a male sanctioned go hang out and 410 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: gossip ladies sort of time, and tea was feminized for 411 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: a while, as like this is a drink for ladies, 412 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: and women weren't even allowed in like a lot of 413 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: coffee shops. Um, why why do you think that that 414 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: was I mean, I think just you know, because it 415 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: was a gathering of women. I think it was like, oh, 416 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: we don't have to take that seriously because it's just 417 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, women having their little chats and so, you know, 418 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: whatever stuff is associated with that. Then, like you said, 419 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: is less becomes less important by association. Even though you know, 420 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: afternoon tea gatherings and things or just general tea gatherings, 421 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: even if they weren't you know, specifically the meal, we're 422 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: still a space where a lot of like women's suffrage 423 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: conversations were happening and all the stuff. So it wasn't 424 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: like people were just getting together and being like, oh hey, 425 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: nice shoes for an hour. Um. It turns out we 426 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: sometimes actually have other meaningful conversations, um, when each other 427 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: in each other's presence. Yeah. Crazy, shocking. Perhaps that's the 428 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: surprise of the episode. So many surprises. Yeah, but it's 429 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: interesting because then later on afternoon tea um, as men 430 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: started working more in offices and things. Um. So with 431 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: the industrial revolution and all of that, and where where 432 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: people started doing more work away from home, and going 433 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: home during the day to say lunch or something wasn't 434 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: as as likely to happen. Um, people at least that 435 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: were you know, say middle management or something like, you know, 436 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: that had some access to resources would often have afternoon 437 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: tea and so it became also a male space eventually 438 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: in addition to a female one. But the male space 439 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: was more like it's a men's break from work where 440 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's so it was reframed as 441 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: like a break from your long work day as opposed 442 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: to a you know, just a cute little gathering with 443 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: your girlfriends. Yeah, like a social and hunger issue like 444 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, again taking more seriously, seem more importantly 445 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: than like the silly thing that the ladies are doing. Yeah, 446 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: even though it was almost exactly the same thing. It 447 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: was like these clubs that men would go to that 448 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: would have small foods and tea and they would sit 449 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: there together, you know, in you know, whatever room, the parlor, 450 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: salon or whatever the hell you call it, um and 451 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: sit there and chat and so literally the same thing. Yeah, 452 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: but guys, but dudes though, Yeah, dud dudes though, do 453 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: you know why women were excluded from from coffee drinking 454 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: at the time. Oh no, because the men they'd be 455 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: talking about them ladies, using for fanity, ease and smoking. 456 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: They didn't old ladies up in there, you see, is 457 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: very risky. It was a like a certain type of 458 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: woman that you did not want to be would go 459 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: into those. Yeah. And I think it's also where they 460 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: did a lot of talking about politics and stuff, which 461 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, I guess we also weren't supposed to be 462 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: participating in. Sure clearly not too much. Yeah yeah, yeah. 463 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: For a while, wasn't it the case that women couldn't 464 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: even like go in and buy tea in a shop, 465 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: like they had to send somebody in and then just 466 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: like stand outside. Yeah yeah, pretty much. Um, several coffee houses, 467 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: I know. I'm pretty sure Twining started out as a 468 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: coffee house and women weren't allowed weren't allowed in, But 469 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: then they kind of made a pretty calculated switch, as 470 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: like men were coming into the tea game to switch 471 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: over to tea. Yeah, but coffee houses were seen as 472 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: the men's only and that's I always kind of thought 473 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: maybe that was another reason that tea was such a 474 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: big thing for women. Um. I don't know. It's interesting 475 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: how it got so kind of gendered, but I suppose 476 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: we do that with most things. Yeah's accurate. Did you 477 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: read any about Argentine like tango tea times Argentine tango 478 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: tea time? I don't think so. What what is it 479 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound familiar, but it sounds fascinating. So I 480 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: read in the nineteen hundreds these tea dances became a 481 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: thing called tango teas um, and they were inspired by 482 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: Argentine tango and it's sort of a guy one of 483 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: those interesting things of colonization and kind of this mishmash 484 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: of cultures um, and people were like dancy tango and 485 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: have some sounds messy. Yeah, maybe pinkies can help you out. 486 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if anything can help 487 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: you out in that situation. No, no, no, to be 488 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: cap maybe because cup tea time, that's what we need. 489 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: That's the future, right. There Are there any other around 490 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: the world kind of traditions that you that you know 491 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: of off the top of your head that you find 492 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: super interesting, I mean most of them. That one makes 493 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: me think of another thing that was that happened. I 494 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: think it was like twenties or thirties maybe where people 495 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: would have it wasn't called a tango tea time, but 496 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: it was called just like a tea dance or something 497 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: like that. And it was basically a money and labor 498 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: saving effort to still have large gatherings. So you would 499 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: basically set up a sideboard with a bunch of tea 500 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: and a bunch of snacks. It would be like afternoon tea. 501 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: But it was also like hundreds of people hanging out 502 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: in your giant house and just go and helping themselves 503 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: to the things. And so it was much lower impact 504 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: than like having a banquet or whatever. Sure, yeah, like 505 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: a like a cocktail hour almost, but with tea instead. 506 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And so that was you know, and they 507 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: would have it around the same time as the meal 508 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 1: and whatever. But it seems like it only lasted for 509 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of decades and then people kind of 510 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: were over it. Um, But otherwise they I mean, really 511 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: the structure of the meal is being you know, a 512 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: little snacky thing and a you know, a beverage. And 513 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: the big critical thing about it. With all of the 514 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: people that I talked to um from around the world 515 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: when I was doing this book, is that it's a 516 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: space where you have to like pause and take a break. 517 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: Like it's not like a meal that you can have 518 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: that you're like, you know, also checking your email and 519 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: like eating your scone Like no, you like you're there 520 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: with that food and that drink, like you have to 521 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: show up and just be there with it for a 522 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: minute and with whatever people you're with. So and that 523 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: seems pretty um, pretty consistent everywhere. Huh. Yeah. The first 524 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: time I did a tea time in England, I was 525 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: young and I didn't know what to do, Like I 526 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: didn't know what was happening, and it was so I 527 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: could tell it was so important and people were taking 528 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: like they just had such specific things they were doing. 529 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: So I went up, I had my cup of tea 530 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: and I was looking at everybody and I like poured 531 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: some milk in and some people are like and some 532 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: people like nodding. I'm making faces no one can see. 533 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: Some people were totally on board, and some people were 534 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: giving me very judgy faces. And then I was like, okay, 535 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: I put lemon in there, and some people like like 536 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: actual sounds just like happening. I'm doing everything wrong. I 537 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: put like a little bit of everything in the teacup 538 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: and then it was not the best tea at all, 539 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: because clearly you shouldn't probably shouldn't put everything in there. 540 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: But I I sipped it slowly, and I was trying 541 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: to act like it was good. That was what I 542 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: wanted and I knew it. But I'm sure they were 543 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: all horrified. They were on to you. I'm pretty sure 544 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: they were very It was not fooling anybody, But it 545 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: was nice. I liked that. Um. I liked the sort 546 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: of sitting around and talking to people and having that 547 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: that moment slowly sipping the tea. Yeah, it's nice. Yeah. 548 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering now, especially given the time period when 549 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: this kind of came about, if it was related to 550 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: the like temperance and prohibition type movements that were happening 551 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: around the world at the time, like like get rid 552 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: of that alcohol, drink this drink this tea. Yea. Um, 553 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: the meal kind of came about a little bit before that. 554 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: But UM, I think you know, tea drinking, like you said, 555 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: definitely increased, um during Tim Prince, because um, everybody was 556 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: wanting an alternative to alcohol. The meal doesn't seem like 557 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: it from what I researched UM, and so I'd be 558 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: interested if you guys found something UM in addition to this. 559 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: But it seems like the meal itself was already pretty 560 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: popularized by that point, so the meal didn't get really 561 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: more popular, but other gatherings around tea, so like instead 562 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: of having an afternoon tea, having like some other social 563 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: hour or you know, more tea in the home or whatever, 564 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: that that became more popular than Yeah, but I haven't 565 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: found a ton about the relationship between the two. I 566 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: haven't seen anything about it, but it just like something 567 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 1: in my brain went like being wait on, it really 568 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: can change a lot. Prohibition really really changed a lot 569 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: of things. Now you can get cocktails with tea in them. 570 00:34:53,200 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: What a world cocktail tea hour? Does that count as time? Is? There? 571 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you wanted to talk about, 572 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 1: anything that we should have asked you? Any fun weird facts, 573 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: fun weird facts. I mean, there's so many. But of course, 574 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: because there's so many, they're all just like flying around 575 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: in my brain and I'm like, ah ah, there's so much. 576 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: It's yeah, I just I think I feel like we've 577 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: covered kind of a lot of the big stuff about it. 578 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: You know, it's I just find it's such a fascinating meal. 579 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: Like I was expecting to write this book and have 580 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: it be pretty much like, here's a lot of stuff 581 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: about etiquette and all this stuff. I ended up barely 582 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: talking about etiquette because they know t is a part 583 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: of English identity, and yeah, also is a part of 584 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: English colonialism. Just caught my interests so much that that's 585 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: that's most of what I ended up writing about. Yeah, 586 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: probably more interesting than etiquette, yeah, probably, Yeah, Yeah, colonialism. 587 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: And there's a certainly a lot to unpack there, Yes, 588 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: there is. Yeah, did not even get close to doing 589 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: it in the book. I mean I did some, but 590 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: not as much as I I thought I would have. 591 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: There was a lot there. Um. Did the English tradition 592 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: of tea time ever make it back over to the 593 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: specific places where they were importing their tea from in 594 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: the first place? Um, so not really Like in the 595 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: twentieth century. There's some you know, Chinese hotels and things 596 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: that will have it, um, But most of the tea 597 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: that was coming to England at this time was Chinese. 598 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: And yes, since uh, you know, China wasn't really you know, 599 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: there were little chunks kind of on the edge that 600 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: were part of the colonies, but China itself was its 601 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: own thing, so not really until recently, and they already 602 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 1: had their own tea time type traditions. Yeah, they've got 603 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: they've got all their own stuff going on that I 604 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: don't even know hardly anything about, but I know exists. Yeah, 605 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: also a thing that I'd love to go sit awkwardly 606 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: at and do the wrong things. Yes, there's some in 607 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: Japan left like three or four hours. Yeah, to get 608 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: uh to what's your interests for our like t T episode. Um. 609 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: The fact that Britain was so obsessed with tea in 610 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: part led to the open wars with China and is 611 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: what made them go and want to invent clipper ships 612 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: and to go start planting tea in India so that 613 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have to depend on China. Yeah, and once 614 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: they did that, there's and there's also just stuff about 615 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: labor practices in India that you know, go on with that. Um. 616 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: Obviously not great happy things about labor practices there, um, 617 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: but you know, very port wages and things like that. 618 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's an afternoon tea is still in India, um, 619 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: never never in China. But definitely in India. Yeah, yeah, 620 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: the clipper ships they had, they did clippership races. It 621 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: was crazy time. Who could get back with the most taste? Man? 622 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: Did you win a prize? I think you just were 623 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: like famous or yeah, I mean fair enough. That sounds terrifying, 624 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, but I guess people watched it with 625 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: a lot of interest, which I would too if we 626 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: still had clippership races. Yeah. It was funny when I 627 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: first ran across that term. I'd heard it before, but 628 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't entirely sure what it is, and I kind 629 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: of dismissed it. Um, And then it kept coming up, 630 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: so it must have been a really big deal and 631 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: then I started looking to it. I'm very glad I did, 632 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: because it was fascinating and kind of silly. That's a 633 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: lot of history for you though. Yeah. Oh, thank you 634 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: so much for being here, Julia. This has been great. Yeah, 635 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Yeah, of course. Um. If 636 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: people want to hear more from you, where where can 637 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: they find you? You can follow my business on Instagram, 638 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter. That's at Root Kitchens r O T 639 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: Kitchens UM. My website is Root hyphen Kitchens dot com. 640 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: The um Root Kitchens was taken, so there's a hyphen 641 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: and then my email is Julia at root hyphen kitchens 642 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: dot com. So awesome all of these ways. Thank you 643 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: so much. We still have a little bit more for you, listeners, 644 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: but first one more quick break for a word from 645 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsors, Yes, thank you, yes, 646 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: and thank you to Julia for joining us um and 647 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: this brings us to listen. Man, pinkies out for that one. 648 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: It makes a great audio, it does, it does, Sam Rope, 649 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: So just listen to the cotton candy episode. I hate 650 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: it just as much as you do, believe me. But 651 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: whenever I see this thing in stores, it just gives 652 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: me shivers because it is oddly weird but oddly satisfying 653 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: seeing this as a Canadian though, because it also touches 654 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: on another episode and yes, you guessed it, maple syrup 655 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: flavored cotton candy. I have tried it in the past 656 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: and it's not the greatest thing I've ever consumed in 657 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: my daily life. Those reviews, they're my favorite types of reviews. 658 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: I love like low key, like like it was sort 659 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: of man. Yeah, it was sort of man. I remember 660 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: Maurice Sindac wrote a review of Stephen Colbert's children's book 661 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,720 Speaker 1: and it was I didn't hate it. I love that. Oh, 662 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: Maurice me uh Pedro wrote in on Facebook, I was 663 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: just listening to your podcast on basil, and since I'm 664 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: from Portugal, I felt I had to write in. It's 665 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,720 Speaker 1: true that there is an ancient tradition of offering basil 666 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: in a clay vase to your loved one. The matter, however, 667 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: is a bit more complicated. You only do it in June, 668 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: especially on the day of the patron saint of the 669 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: city where you live or around that time. The most 670 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: popular patron saints are Saint Anthony and Lisbon and St. 671 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: John the Baptist in Porto. How about an episode on 672 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: port Wine. By the way, also, the kind of basil 673 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: that one offers is not the same one used in 674 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: the kitchen acamam basilicum, but a different variety achamam minimum, 675 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: with much smaller leaves, but just as fragrant. We call 676 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: it Manherko. Further tradition demans that you should have a 677 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: paper carnation in the vase and four verses dedicated to 678 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,320 Speaker 1: your loved one. You should also never smell the basil 679 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: directly with your nose, but rather use your hand to 680 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: do it. And he included a photo of a stand 681 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: where where just a whole bunch of these of these 682 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: little pots, little earthenware pots of basil. We're being sold 683 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 1: with these bright and colorful paper carnations stuck into each pot, 684 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: little versus of poetry. Yeah, I love it. It was. 685 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: It was lovely. And thank you so much patro for 686 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: for writing in. Yeah, it's been great hearing. I love 687 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: it when we can get like a real confirmation. 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