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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Hysteria. I'm Alyssa Mastromonico.

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Speaker 2: Oh and I'm Katie Curic Hi Alissa.

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Speaker 3: Yes she is, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Katie Award winning journalist, one of my favorite journalists. She

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Speaker 1: hosts her own podcast, Next Question, and is one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest media makers of all time.

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Speaker 3: Is our co host for the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Katie, it's summer tomato season. I happen to know you

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Speaker 1: love a good tomato and mayo sandwich.

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Speaker 3: How do you make yours? How do you make yours?

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Speaker 2: Well, Alyssa, I have to say I had my first

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Speaker 2: of the summer with an heirloom tomato that I grew

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Speaker 2: in my backyard. Yesterday, I had some frozen bread that

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Speaker 2: I got from Carissa's, which is a bakery near my

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Speaker 2: house in East Hampton, and I slice it and I

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Speaker 2: freeze it because you know, usually it goes bad and

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Speaker 2: it's delicious called honey wheat. Uncharacteristically, yesterday I toasted my

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Speaker 2: bread because, let's face it, I had no choice it

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Speaker 2: was frozen, right, and then used Sorry Duke's fans, I

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Speaker 2: used my helmets mayonnaise, my sliced heirloom tomato, mald and salt,

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Speaker 2: some cracked pepper and that was it, baby, and it

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Speaker 2: was surfect. And I realized, Melyssa, if I actually eat

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Speaker 2: a sandwich, I'm not hungry till dinner. Why didn't I

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Speaker 2: realize that earlier. It's like women are so screwed up,

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Speaker 2: you know. We eat like, oh, I'll have a half

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Speaker 2: a cup of cottage cheese with a peach, and then

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Speaker 2: by four o'clock you're ravenous and eating everything that's not

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Speaker 2: nailed down. So my advice to all your listeners is

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Speaker 2: eat people. You'll be better off for it.

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Speaker 3: You will be better off her.

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Speaker 1: But also so funny, Katie, because in this episode I

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Speaker 1: interview Evan Kleinman, who last night for dinner had cottage

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Speaker 1: cheese and a peach.

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Speaker 2: That's so funny. Well, hopefully it was a fresh peach.

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Speaker 2: But I've been so delicious this season.

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Speaker 1: Evan's living her best and just trying to enjoy peaches

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Speaker 1: in the purest form.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well I'm with her on that. Sometimes I'll just

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Speaker 2: slice a peach and put like milk on it and

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Speaker 2: I feel like Jay Alfred proofrat do I dare to

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Speaker 2: eat a peach?

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Speaker 3: And you do?

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Speaker 2: Dare to eat the peach I do.

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Speaker 1: This week, Katie and I get into all things Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris and the misogynistic ire Republicans are hurling her way,

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Speaker 1: and how Republicans are insidiously changing their platform.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Hysteria the podcast for people aggressively binge watching VEEP for

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Speaker 1: guidance on what to do next.

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Speaker 3: So much shit has happened since we last recorded the show.

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Speaker 2: You're not kidding, my god, I mean, it's insane, right.

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Speaker 1: Biden's dropped out of the race, He's endorsed Vice President

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Speaker 3: Cogan ripped off his shirt at the RNC so much.

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Speaker 2: And did you include the assassination attempt against Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: or did you have a recording after that?

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Speaker 1: We had a recording after that, so we covered the

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Speaker 1: Maxi pad on his ear and all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's you know, you know how it is, Katie. He

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Speaker 1: put it out there and the supporters put it on

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Speaker 1: their ears, so it was fair game.

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Speaker 2: I saw there were many many white square bandages. One

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Speaker 2: of the funniest things I saw is there was a

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Speaker 2: my pillow logo. I saw it on some of them.

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Speaker 2: You have to admit, Alyssa, people are so funny and clever.

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Speaker 2: I think for all the woes of the Internet and

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Speaker 3: They're funny, they're clever, they're talented. They give us so

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Speaker 3: much to talk about.

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Speaker 1: And Katie's speaking of the last time you were on Hysteria.

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Speaker 1: Your interview with Vice President Kamala Harris had dropped that day,

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Speaker 1: So this is like true full circle moment for us.

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Speaker 2: It definitely is. And I went back and we've actually

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Speaker 2: posted some excerpts from that interview. I went down in

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Speaker 2: January and it was snowing, and yeah, we had a

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Speaker 2: she's actually very petite. She doesn't read as petite on screen.

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Speaker 2: She you know, she says Wikipedia got her height wrong.

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Speaker 2: I guess she's about five five or five six.

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Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, Honestly, on television, I'm going to say she

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Speaker 2: She just reads as a much sort of bigger, taller

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Speaker 1: And in that interview, you actually were sitting across from

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Speaker 3: Usually she has.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope so. But you know, it was interesting

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Speaker 2: because I still was somewhat frustrated. I talked to her,

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Speaker 2: it was sort of what was happening in the Middle East,

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Speaker 2: and I said, what happened on October seventh was unimaginably horrific.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think anyone can even describe the terrible

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Speaker 2: things that happened that day. We've read so much about

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Speaker 2: the way people were killed, just horrific. Having said that,

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Speaker 2: the first thing she said was let's talk about October seventh,

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Speaker 2: And he almost felt like she was reverting to, you know,

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Speaker 2: a half hour with someone, every second counts. But I

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Speaker 2: think it was really great to talk to her. I

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Speaker 2: think she did. She was much more conversant than I'd

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Speaker 1: So this weekend, now, Katie, you've been reporting on the

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Speaker 1: news for a long time, You've been being a journalist

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Speaker 1: for a long time. What was your reaction when the

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Speaker 1: news broke on Sunday that President Biden was going to

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Speaker 1: step off the ticket.

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Speaker 2: Well, we had heard, obviously rumblings from a lot of

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Speaker 2: same thing that it was likely to happen on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I think what through everyone was that Trump's convention speech

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Speaker 2: have seen his speech and said to themselves, you know,

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Speaker 2: But we had been hearing for a long time, or

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Speaker 2: just sent me an article from the Bulwark that said,

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Speaker 2: enough already with the Biden's psychodrama, right, and I thought, oh, gosh,

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Speaker 2: heard rumors that perhaps they were going to have the

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Speaker 2: electronic vote and that Joe Biden was going to be

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Speaker 2: delivered the delegates, be validated and then release them. But

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Speaker 2: then I wondered, well, if that happened, would that make

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Speaker 2: him second guests dropping out again? So I think that

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Speaker 2: I was. I was surprised and yet not surprised, if

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Speaker 3: Right now, I think you know what it is. I

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Speaker 3: my personal reaction, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because I definitely I got sad, I cried a little bit,

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Speaker 1: I felt bad. I think that I tried to understand

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Speaker 2: To get to that place, right, Yeah, And I think

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Speaker 2: you know, a friend of mine was at the swimming

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Speaker 2: Really everyone started cheering. And that's tough. You know, it

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Speaker 2: is tough, and it makes me sad. I've known Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden for a long time, you know, I've covered many

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, you know, when I compared it

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Speaker 2: someone smartly pointed out to me, you know, this wasn't

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Speaker 2: I'm sad. I hope though, that he'll be celebrated at

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Speaker 2: little myth that he didn't make this decision earlier and

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Speaker 3: Do you think so.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to Doris Karen's Goodwin the other day

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Speaker 1: He was so worn his eyes were dark circles, and

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Speaker 1: that after he made his speech, Ladybird said she could

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Speaker 1: literally see the stress lifted off of his shoulders. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that this will have the we're speaking today

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Speaker 1: how do you think, now that he is unburdened by

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, if you think we're conflicted, imagine

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Speaker 2: I think he must feel so conflicted. You know, Listen,

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Speaker 2: don't know but I do think that there will be

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Speaker 2: a sense of urgency to finish his term with a

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Speaker 2: if he'll be able to because Capitol Hill is so

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Speaker 2: My hope for him is that he will feel really proud,

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Speaker 2: that he'll feel like the elder statesman he deserves to be,

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Speaker 2: that as I said, he'll be celebrated at the convention,

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Speaker 2: and that he'll be a powerful voice in the campaign

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Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris. But I think all those things are true.

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Speaker 1: Have you been surprised by the energy that Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: the election?

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Speaker 2: No, because I think there was so much almost a

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Speaker 2: depression had set over Democrats and people who are Republicans

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Speaker 2: it just felt like we were driving this slow car

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Speaker 2: you know, people just weren't excited about this election. You

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Speaker 2: Fascinating, you're a regular Doris Kurn's Goodwin. I like it.

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Speaker 1: popular in Pennsylvania. He's a dynamic campaigner, he's great on TV.

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Speaker 1: So I if I had to do two, I think

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Speaker 1: I'd put those two at the top.

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Speaker 3: And then Roy Cooper from North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: I don't know much about him.

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Speaker 3: I don't know much.

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Speaker 1: About him either, actually, but he's won statewide six times.

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Speaker 3: I think in North Carolina, and.

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Speaker 2: It's term more important than North Carolina. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think North Carolina, and we can cut this if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I think North Carolina has three fewer electoral votes.

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Speaker 3: I think it's something like that.

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Speaker 1: But he and Kamala have a relationship going back many years,

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I think she and Josh Shapiro do too.

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Speaker 1: I think they go back because they were all they

449
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Speaker 1: were ages, and so I think they've known each other

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Speaker 1: for a long time. So I hope that she picks

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Speaker 1: whoever she feels is just going to go out there

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Speaker 1: and kill it.

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Speaker 3: And also, here's a question.

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Speaker 2: For you, Katie, and then I have one for you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you think Trump is regretting jd Vance right now?

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Speaker 2: I know there have been some articles about that. I

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Speaker 2: know that when he gave his first or you know,

458
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Speaker 2: did his first solo rally, it was so boring. It

459
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Speaker 2: was boring, and he made a stupid joke about diet

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Speaker 2: coke no diet mountain do diet mountain dew, I do apologize.

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Speaker 3: I was so confused. I was like, what does dietet

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Speaker 3: mountain do have to.

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Speaker 2: Do with I think he's saying, like the Democrats think

464
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Speaker 2: everything is you know, race, you know, has to do

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Speaker 2: with race. Everybody was like, what do.

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Speaker 3: You know, Katie?

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Speaker 1: I do feel like a lot of the Republican's speech writing.

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Speaker 1: I noticed this all during the convention, and I noticed

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Speaker 1: it in jd Vance's speech the other day in Ohio.

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Speaker 1: They're writing in what they think are applause lines, and

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you there's an in perendz like hold for

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Speaker 1: applause and they're not getting applause, and there's just like

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Speaker 1: these weird awkward pause.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully he's not saying pause, Well that's true, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And that leads me to a question for you, Alyssa,

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Speaker 2: do you think that the Biden administration set Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: up for success as a VP? Because I feel like

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Speaker 2: they could have done more. I think this whole idea

479
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Speaker 2: of giving her the border was very hard, was ridiculous

480
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Speaker 2: and honestly like really a shitty thing to do. Whoever

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Speaker 2: did that. And I also feel and I've said this

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Speaker 2: at a couple of dinner parties. I've been at Lady.

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Speaker 1: Da Oh you fancy, lady So fancy you're a dinner

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Speaker 1: party read from the Hamptons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very fancy. I feel like Joe Biden's reticence

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Speaker 2: to be, you know, upfront with the media or not upfront,

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Speaker 2: but to be out there to do interviews also hurt

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Speaker 2: her because they had an opportunity, it seems to me,

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Speaker 2: to do some joint interviews, joint appearances, to sit with

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Speaker 2: network news anchors, to be with the New York Times

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Speaker 2: so he could elevate her and prop her up. What

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Speaker 2: is your feeling about how they treated her or if

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Speaker 2: they could have done more to get her in a

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Speaker 2: position where everyone automatically thought of her if anything happened

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Speaker 2: to Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: So when they came out of the Gate and gave

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Speaker 1: her immigration as her signature issue. I was like sick

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Speaker 1: to my stomach for her. There is no person who

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Speaker 1: was going to solve immigration, you know, like it was.

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Speaker 1: It was such a no upside portfolio for her. And

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Speaker 1: I think we're seeing that now. I mean, it's the

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Speaker 1: number one attack that the Republicans are coming out with

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Speaker 1: in ads on Fox News, you know, And and immigration

504
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Speaker 1: is a very fraud issue right now. So there's resonance,

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Speaker 1: you know, there is stickiness to these attacks, and they

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Speaker 1: are hard to combat because.

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Speaker 3: It's still a problem.

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Speaker 2: And she has told me that when we talked, she

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Speaker 2: she told me that it was really her was she

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Speaker 2: was given the responsibility of understanding the root causes of immigration,

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Speaker 2: to look at the Central American countries and what was

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Speaker 2: happening there and why so many people were leaving. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 2: nobody really makes that distinction there.

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Speaker 1: And even I did not understand that distinction until I

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Speaker 1: read it in like paragraph twenty of an article the

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Speaker 1: other day, right right, And so I think that, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: that is going to be a real thing for her

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Speaker 1: to overcome.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about two other things. Am

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Speaker 2: I allowed to just take out cat go ahead. So

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Speaker 2: James Carville said. Another thing that may hurt Kamala, but

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Speaker 2: I I don't really understand this and I don't necessarily agree,

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Speaker 2: is how complicit was she in, you know, not not

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Speaker 2: doing anything about Joe Biden's declining health or you know,

525
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Speaker 2: his inability to kind of be completely cojin at all times.

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Speaker 2: And I don't even think that's the right word. I

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Speaker 2: want to tread light no, no, no, but but I can.

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Speaker 1: It is it's the first ad that Maga pat came

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Speaker 1: out with, you know. It is this this uh idea

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Speaker 1: that she owns everything they did and that she was

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Speaker 1: complicit in quotes I'm doing quotes for listeners, complicit in

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Speaker 1: hiding whatever has been ailing him. And I think to

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Speaker 1: here here would be my point of view on that attack.

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Speaker 1: I think the people who want to believe that were

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Speaker 1: never going to vote for her anyway, right, That's right.

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Speaker 1: And I think that based on just everything we have

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Speaker 1: seen in public, it does feel like whatever's been going

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Speaker 1: on with the president has happened pretty recently. I agree,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't say that he hasn't shown his

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Speaker 1: age over the past three and a half years. Definitely,

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Speaker 1: I don't think maybe tripping sometimes is a sign that

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Speaker 1: you're not fit to lead. I think that's bullshit, but

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Speaker 1: it's it was to me. It was really funny when

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Speaker 1: Maga came out with that ad, which is basically, what

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Speaker 1: did she know? And when they try to make it

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Speaker 1: sound like an episode of Law and Order or like Watergate, totally,

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, they really were caught flat footed,

548
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Speaker 1: Like these are people, Katie, who have been calling for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, all the Republicans.

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Speaker 3: He's not fit. Look at the videos we've made of him.

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Speaker 1: He trips, he slurred a word, like first of all,

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Speaker 1: Trump has done all the same things, just saying and

553
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Speaker 1: I was like, that's the best they've got. And it

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Speaker 1: was like a very cheap looking ad And I was like, okay.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe it was slapped together so quickly, right, but

556
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Speaker 2: you know, I know they stopped. I think they stopped

557
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Speaker 2: running anti Biden ads right pretty quickly. Even so they

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Speaker 2: must have had some inkling this. It was.

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Speaker 1: They had to put something in the can, and let

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Speaker 1: me tell you, it came out like something that they

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Speaker 1: put together in about an hour to just get out.

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Speaker 3: And I think it was only a digital ad.

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Speaker 2: So the other question I had for you is how

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Speaker 2: much will be made about the turnover and her office

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Speaker 2: and what do you know about that? I know that

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Speaker 2: there haven't been a lot of people who have stayed

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Speaker 2: in the Vice President's office for an extended period of time. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I was sort of the Murphy Brown of NBC. I

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Speaker 2: had so many assistants during one period of time and

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Speaker 2: until I found somebody who's like a sister to me.

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Speaker 2: But do you think the Republicans who are going to

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Speaker 2: make a big deal out of that or not? Really?

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Speaker 1: I think they'll try to, but I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: if you turn on cable news right now, you only

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Speaker 1: see people who formerly worked for her who are singing

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Speaker 1: her praises now. So to me, look, you know how

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Speaker 1: fickle DC is. People get into the White House and

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Speaker 1: sometimes they can't handle it.

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Speaker 3: Katie. It is hard.

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Speaker 1: It is a lot of work, and so we don't

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Speaker 1: know there there has been rumors of like her turnover,

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Speaker 1: but like there's never.

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Speaker 3: Been a real story about it.

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Speaker 1: So I think that we shall give her the benefit

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Speaker 1: of the doubt in this instance and just say that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump had like no staff left at

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Speaker 1: the end of.

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Speaker 2: His term, So I mean every time. Every time something

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Speaker 2: is suggested, it's like, wait a second, what Like it's

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Speaker 2: the ultimate pot calling the kettle black, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: it is every time, you know, if you think about

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Speaker 2: this whole line of attack, which is very disconcerting to

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Speaker 2: me a woman, about Kamala Harris. She's childless, you know,

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Speaker 2: all these tropes Kamala Harris slept her way to the top.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it is just so obnoxious.

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Speaker 3: It's technical misogyny, you know.

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Speaker 2: Like, wait a second, first of all, check your facts. Secondly,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I don't know, I've seen tweets and

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Speaker 2: things that basically say she's not qualified, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: what are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Senator from the largest state, attorney general from the largest

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Speaker 1: state by population obviously Alaska's the biggest physically.

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Speaker 3: But you know, she has taken people down, you know,

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Speaker 3: and it's funny to the.

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Speaker 2: Point where it's really upset a lot of progressives by

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Speaker 2: the way, which I think is actually ultimately good for

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Speaker 2: her candidacy.

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, the the in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: I think it was she had an ad when she

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Speaker 1: was Kamala Harris for the People, and it was you know,

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Speaker 1: Trump had a for profit college. She took down the

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Speaker 1: for profit colleges. She's a prosecutor, he's a fraudster. Her

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four version of that ad I cannot wait

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Speaker 1: to see because he's now like a convicted felon. He's

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Speaker 1: been indicted ninety something times. Like I think that the

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Speaker 1: Republicans are so scared they're doubling down on this misogyny.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I have a great one.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one, jd Vance said, we are running this

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Speaker 1: country by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are

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Speaker 1: miserable at their own lives and want to make the

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Speaker 1: rest of the country miserable.

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Speaker 2: That is so funny because I put on my Instagram

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Speaker 2: stories I love Andy Borwitz. Oh yes, the Borowitz Report,

625
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Speaker 2: and his headline was Nation's cats lash out at jd

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Speaker 2: Vance A million meow march.

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Speaker 1: It was, it was, And he goes on to say

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Speaker 1: the whole future of the Democratic Party is controlled by

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Speaker 1: people like Kamala Harrison, child childless women.

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Speaker 3: JAD do better.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the one thing, Katie I was really

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Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing her debate jd Vance, I mean

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Speaker 1: people are forgetting that because you know and everybody. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people will say, well, she was vice president

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Speaker 1: and we haven't seen her enough, and you know, Republicans

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Speaker 1: and we don't even know what she's been doing. And

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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, the vice president's job is not to

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Speaker 1: be seen as the president's the star. You know. The

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00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: vice president in every instance is the backup dancer. And

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Speaker 1: so to me, I think that they have all forgotten.

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Speaker 1: They should all go back and watch her question Brett

642
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Speaker 1: Kavanaugh during the hearings, because she is ready for Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that is the thing that I

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Speaker 1: feel most excited about.

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Speaker 2: Do you think though? So? Again, in my James Carville interview,

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Speaker 2: I was talking to him about that, and as you know,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has already tried to say, I don't want

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Speaker 2: this debate to be on ABC, They're too biased. I

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Speaker 2: wanted to be on Fox, you know. And and James

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Speaker 2: said he thought Donald Trump is going to pull out

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Speaker 2: of the debate. Yeah, And I said, but I said,

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Speaker 2: won't that be embarrassing, like I'm too afraid to debate

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris? And he said no, it's very easy to

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Speaker 2: pull out of debates. And I was interested to hear

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Speaker 2: that is.

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Speaker 3: It that easy?

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Speaker 2: To pull out of debates.

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Speaker 1: It didn't used to be, right, It didn't used to

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Speaker 1: be But I think now here's the thing, Katie, is

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Speaker 1: that like we have seen by Donald Trump picking jd Vance,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to expand his electorate, right, he was

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Speaker 1: doubling down on the base.

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Speaker 3: The base isn't going to give a shit if he

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Speaker 3: doesn't debate her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to be We're going to tweet about

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Speaker 1: it and put it on Instagram, but like they're not

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Speaker 1: going to care. And so I hope his ego gets

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Speaker 1: the better of him and he ultimately thinks that he

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Speaker 1: can beat her and then wants to her. And I

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Speaker 1: do think I could be wrong, but I think if

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Speaker 1: he was like, I'll only do it on Fox News,

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Speaker 1: I bet she does it.

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Speaker 2: You know, you think she think she will do it

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Speaker 2: on Fox.

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Speaker 3: I think she would do it on Fox.

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Speaker 2: I guess it would be Brett Baer or someone who's

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Speaker 2: not their most partisan you know, red meat anchors moderating

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Speaker 2: right right.

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Speaker 1: And I think that if you look back over the

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Speaker 1: past like five or six years, Bernie Sanders has done

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Speaker 1: town halls on Fox News, Pete budage Edge did Fox

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Speaker 1: News town halls and they were incredibly successful, and I

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Speaker 1: actually thought very compelling because when you go David Pluff

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Speaker 1: always used to say, you got to go into the

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Speaker 1: belly of the beast, right, you got to show you're

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Speaker 1: not afraid. And I think that that would show. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it would show she's not afraid. So if

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Speaker 1: it comes down to that, I personally think she could

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Speaker 1: handle it and she should do it. But because I

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Speaker 1: think it would be terrible for America to not see

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Speaker 1: them to debate.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, and I maybe even I think

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Speaker 2: if her campaign really wont to show Trump whose boss,

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Speaker 2: she could say, that's fine, I'll critivate him on Box

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Speaker 2: and then what's he gonna do?

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Speaker 3: Right then he's backed into a corner, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, then that be awesome. Why don't you tell them

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Speaker 2: that what we want to get in there.

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Speaker 1: Katie, we're telling them right now. We're telling them right now.

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Speaker 1: Alyssa and Katie say, girl, go get it on Box News.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you can do it. So Katie, here's another.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about all this for the past like

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Speaker 1: three weeks. It has been NonStop breaking news rumors. You

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Speaker 1: can't keep up. I mean, honestly, like you know. I

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Speaker 1: work with George Stephanopoulos.

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Speaker 3: I sent him. I sent him a tweet and I

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Speaker 3: tried to retract it. I was like, wait, it's fake.

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Speaker 3: It's fake.

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Speaker 2: It's fake.

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Speaker 3: I didn't mean to send this. It's fake. This isn't real.

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Speaker 1: And I think that even for me, you know, people

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Speaker 1: like us last election cycle, Twitter had verification. Verification meant

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Speaker 1: that you were actually who you said you were, and

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Speaker 1: if you were a news organization, you were an actual

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Speaker 1: news organization.

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Speaker 3: Katie, you're a journalist.

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Speaker 1: How are you sifting through the information that's coming in

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Speaker 1: at rapid pace? And how would you tell people to

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Speaker 1: try to like consume what's happening.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would say three words, alyssa, consider the source.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately it can be time consuming. But you have

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Speaker 2: to look at people's profiles. You know. Now, of course

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Speaker 2: you said verification. I'm not a huge Twitter person. I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I did enjoy being on the platform during President Trump's

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Speaker 2: speech because people were being so funny.

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00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: It got back to its origin story, you know, like

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Speaker 1: what we originally liked Twitter for.

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Speaker 2: And like people that I hadn't talked to for a while.

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Speaker 2: It felt like a communal experience, like Michael Beschloss. I

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Speaker 2: was tweeting Karen Tumult, TIMULTI and just a bunch of

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Speaker 2: people who I've known through the years, and that was

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Speaker 2: kind of fun because I was responding to their tweets

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Speaker 2: and Larry Sabato, who is from UVA and where I

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Speaker 2: went to college, and so that was really fun. But

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Speaker 2: I generally would not recommend getting information on X but

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Speaker 2: if you do, you have to look at the profile.

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Speaker 2: You have to then sometimes google the organization that is

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Speaker 2: putting this stuff out. And I remember seeing something, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I remember it was Kirsty Ally, who was a big

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Speaker 2: Trump supporter, I remember, and she got mad at me

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Speaker 2: for something, oh, because I said on Bill Maher that

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Speaker 2: I thought a lot of these voters needed to be deprogrammed,

743
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Speaker 2: that they were getting a lot of this information over

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Speaker 2: and over again, and you know it starts and by

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Speaker 2: the way, I think some people on the left could

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Speaker 2: use a little deprogram voting at times. But she got

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Speaker 2: she tweeted something nasty about me. Anyway, Then I sort

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Speaker 2: of started following her kind of see what she was saying,

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Speaker 2: and she retweeted some you know, very you know, official

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Speaker 2: looking medical seal with some stuff about abortion that I

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00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: knew was bullshit, and I was like, I can't remember

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Speaker 2: specifically what it was, but I was like, wait, why

753
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: are they doing that. That's not accurate, that's not true.

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Speaker 2: So then I of course googled the Association of blah

755
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: blah blah Doctors and I was like, who are these people?

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Speaker 2: And yes, I look at their website. I mean to

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Speaker 2: pro life organization that is promoting anti abortion information. So

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Speaker 2: I think you just cannot, you know, unless they're from

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Speaker 2: reporters that you know and trust, or The New York

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00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: Times or pod Save America or people like that. You know,

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Speaker 2: I just think you you can't get your information that way.

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Speaker 2: And I don't. I don't get information really from Facebook

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Speaker 2: or from Twitter. I still I'm old fashioned, you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do without the New

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Speaker 2: York Times. And people can criticize certain aspects of it.

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Speaker 2: But I also read the Bulwark read. You know, I

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Speaker 2: like what Barry Weiss has done, even though I don't

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Speaker 2: always agree with some of the stuff in there. I

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Speaker 2: want to see what they're saying. And I, for some reason,

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Speaker 2: for a while I was getting the Epoch Times. Is

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Speaker 2: that what it's called.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea I think.

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Speaker 2: It's a Chinese owned uber conservative media outlet, Okay, And

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Speaker 2: I looked that up and I was like, why am

775
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: I reading this? Because I like to see what everybody's

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00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 2: saying about everything. That's why my husband and I watch

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00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: Fox News when there's a big news event because we

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00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: want to see how they're framing the conversation. But in terms,

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00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: you just have to be you know what did Si

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00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: Sims say? And educated consumers are best customer. I don't

781
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: know if you ever went to Sims. It's a discount store,

782
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: like remember anyway, And I think that's the case. You

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00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: have to take the time to really not accept anything

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Speaker 2: at face value that you're reading online. It's so critically important.

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Speaker 1: My old boss, Dennis McDonough, who's Chief of Staff of

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Speaker 1: the White House, he always used to say, measure twice,

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00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: cut once, And to me, that's like if I see

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00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: something and I don't know the person, it's the same thing, Katie.

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Speaker 1: I go to the profile, I Google, I check the

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00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: website because people are just out there to confuse us.

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00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: And if you and I, who consume so much, have

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Speaker 1: to do that. If you're listening and you don't consume

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00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: as much as Katie, and I do.

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00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: You should do it too, But how can you recognize bots?

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00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: That's one thing I don't really know how to do.

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Speaker 1: It's to me, if you look, most spots don't have

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00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: many followers. Yeah, you know, it's like they may follow

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00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people, but nobody follows them. But that's

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00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: also I just found that X became so negative and

800
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: so toxic and me and actually scary.

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00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: When I rear my head up and I make something

802
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: or something I believe in, Oh my god, the oncoming, I'm.

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00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: Like, woo, no, You've got to dodge it.

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00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: See, And then I get upset and depressed, and I'm like, God,

805
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: who needs this? Who needs these losers?

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00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So go back.

807
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: In your basement and put your pajamas back on.

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Speaker 1: Everybody you heard it here first, all right, we need

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Speaker 1: to take a quick break and when we come back,

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Speaker 1: Sandy Petty, Welcome back to Hysteria, the podcast for gymnastics fans.

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Speaker 3: Katie.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into our Sanny Petty, I have something that

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00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: is keeping me sane this week.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I saw and have on good authority, and by good authority,

817
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean People Magazine that Celine Dion may be making

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00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: a comeback. This at the opening ceremonies for the Paris Olympics.

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Speaker 3: I could not be more excited.

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Speaker 2: Like, have you seen the documentary about her? So?

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Speaker 3: I haven't been emotionally stable enough to watch it.

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Speaker 1: The news has been too chaotic every time I went

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00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: to put it on.

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Speaker 3: I needed something a little more low stakes.

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Speaker 1: I actually watched the Indigo Girls documentary It's Only Life

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Speaker 1: after All this weekend, which was wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'll add up to my list.

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Speaker 1: I know that that there are gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: of peaks and valleys in the Celine Dion documentary.

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Speaker 3: So I've waited. But Katie, my.

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Speaker 1: Best friend, and I went and saw Selene two weeks

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Speaker 1: before COVID and it was.

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Speaker 2: Did she do a lot of this?

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Speaker 3: Did everything?

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Speaker 4: You?

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Speaker 2: Weren't you in Las Vegas?

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Speaker 1: No, we were at Barclays in Brooklyn. Oh wow, it

838
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: was extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: Can I one up you on that?

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00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: Of course?

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Speaker 2: I did the first American interview of Selene Dion when

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00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: she came to the Today's show Studio Stop and she

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00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: I think it was Christmas time. If I recall, I

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Speaker 2: remember exactly what she was wearing. She was wearing like

845
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: a almost maroon kind of boat neck dress, and she

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00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: and Peebo Bryson sang the theme song to Beauty and

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00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: the Beauty and the Beast and it was so beautiful.

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00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: You should google it. I think I was on YouTube

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00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: and I marveled it when I rewatched it. Our directors

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00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: was so good at the time. I don't know if

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00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: it was Bucky or Joe. We had two different directors

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00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: when I was there, but they were putting scenes from

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00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: the movie while they were singing, and I was like wow,

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00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: and she was, you know, very nervous. I don't think

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Speaker 2: she's spoken a ton of English. Back then she was

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Speaker 2: very young and it was such a treat and to

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Speaker 2: see what she's become is really incredible. So what's the concert?

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00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: Everything you dreamed it would be in more It.

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Speaker 1: Was okay, first a million a million costume changes, but

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Speaker 1: the best was I love a concert when the fans

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Speaker 1: come to play, Like I know, there's Taylor Swift and

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Speaker 1: Beyonce and everything. People came to Selene dion in. The

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Speaker 1: women who were one section over from us had matching

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Speaker 1: sequin bomber jackets, and they had choreography to about fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of the songs and Cara and I are watching it,

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Speaker 1: and we were just like half watching Selene and half

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Speaker 1: watching the women at the other end, because it was

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Speaker 1: I just loves like a religious experience. It was it

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Speaker 1: was like it was it had a revival sense to Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also I just love watching people, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of also why I'm excited for the Olympics. I love

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Speaker 1: watching people experience joy and excellence like it is. It

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Speaker 1: is contagious, and so to me that is I hope

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Speaker 1: that the rumors are true and that she will be

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Speaker 1: there on Friday, because I will be watching, I will

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Speaker 1: be watching.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be watching too. It's interesting because I

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Speaker 2: hosted the opening ceremonies a few times when I was

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Speaker 2: at MBC. We haven't you done well? I have skydived,

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Speaker 2: will you ever? I haven't slept with George Clooney. There

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Speaker 2: are a lot of things I haven't done. Melissa all right,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, but it's a really fun thing. And you know,

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Speaker 2: you see all the parade of Nations and Bob Costas

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Speaker 2: and I would have this running joke. I'd say, Bob,

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Speaker 2: do you know what what country is coming up next?

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Speaker 2: And you'd say, no, Katie, what country? And i'd say,

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Speaker 2: you bet, Djibooty. I know it's kind of a dad joke,

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Speaker 2: isn't it anyway?

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Speaker 3: Dad joke?

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Speaker 2: But I think I think Kelly Clarkson and Jimmy Fallon

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Speaker 2: are hosting it. But I could be wrong. Can we

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Speaker 2: google that.

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Speaker 3: We'll find out. Well, don't we'll find out.

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Speaker 1: But did you see they have had Snoop Dogg commentating

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Speaker 1: on track and field?

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Speaker 3: It's really funny?

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Speaker 2: Is it funny?

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Speaker 3: It is funny? I really I hope that. I feel

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Speaker 3: like the world could use the Olympics right now.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree, but I hope it doesn't become too silly.

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Speaker 2: You know. Oh, I don't know. Is Snoop really knowledgeable

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Speaker 2: about track and field events?

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Speaker 1: He like enough and I don't know if he's doing

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Speaker 1: the actual Olympics or only did the trials. But it

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Speaker 1: was enjoyable, Okay, I know the French And the other

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Speaker 1: thing is, I don't know if you have seen the

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Speaker 1: French have brought in Louis Vuitton, like the outfits, the uniforms,

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Speaker 1: the trays that the medals are presented on extraordinary. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be sports and fashion and all the things.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's going to turn the world into

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Speaker 2: Franco files, don't you think for a little bit? Maybe maybe?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love Paris, and I'm actually jealous that

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Speaker 2: I'm not covering this Olympics. I think I did eight

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Speaker 2: of them during my tenure, and honestly, I got a

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Speaker 2: little tired of him. But I am. I think this

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Speaker 2: is going to be pretty extraordinary. And obviously, Simone Biles

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Speaker 2: so Celine Dion, the prospect of firs singing is giving

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Speaker 2: you joy?

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Speaker 3: What's giving you joy?

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Speaker 2: Well, gosh, I have a lot of things that are

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Speaker 2: giving me joy right now. My vegetable garden is giving

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Speaker 2: me joy because it's starting to be yes tomato season.

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Speaker 2: I've got a lot of sun golds, which I love.

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Speaker 3: Your hydranges are banging.

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Speaker 2: My hydrangas, and my dahlias. I have dahlias the size

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Speaker 2: of my head. So my table out here it looks

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Speaker 2: so beautiful. It's just bursting with color and flowers and beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just I feel so lucky. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know whether it's getting older, but I love flowers.

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Speaker 2: They give me so much pleasure and so much joy.

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Speaker 2: I love just looking at single blossoms, like the beauty

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Speaker 2: and perfections, perfection of a single a single flower.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny you say that, because in the summer

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Speaker 1: I will only put flowers in vases that are all

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Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, you know, like I don't want a bouquet.

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Speaker 1: I just want my you know like that.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. But anyway, so that's giving me joy.

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Speaker 2: And I'm reading a book speaking of flowers, and I

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Speaker 2: wanted to give this author a shout out. Great she

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Speaker 2: gave it to me at the Aspen Ideas Festival. We

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Speaker 2: have a mutual friend. She lives in Connecticut. It's called

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Speaker 2: in Lieu of Flowers, A Conversation for the Living, and

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Speaker 2: the author is Nancy Cobb. And it's a beautiful book,

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Speaker 2: really talking about death and dying and loss, and it

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Speaker 2: sounds really depressing, but it's actually really beautiful. And I'm

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Speaker 2: a firm believer that we have to normalize conversations about

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Speaker 2: death and dying and be able, as just humanity in general,

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Speaker 2: to be able to have discussions about those things, because

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Speaker 2: I think they make everyone so uncomfortable. And another beautiful

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Speaker 2: book I read, I think about six months ago, is

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Speaker 2: called Kayak Morning, and it's by Roger Rosenblack and I

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Speaker 2: love Roger Rosenblatt. He's a beautiful writer. But you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's nice to read books that aren't like beach

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Speaker 2: reads or even historical books. I get sent a lot

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Speaker 2: of books, and sometimes it's just nice to read a

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Speaker 2: book that's really poetic and just touches your soul in

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Speaker 2: a way. And those two books I think have touched me.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing. The end, the end, aren't Katie? Thank you

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Speaker 3: for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm so sad. This is it, Alyssa. I could

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Speaker 2: talk to you all day about everything.

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Speaker 3: Back next week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're not done, so thank you Katie Kirk, who, surprise,

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Speaker 1: will also be co hosting with me next week, so

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Speaker 1: we'll be back then with an all new Hysteria.

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