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Speaker 3: Worst night mare? The thing is is you have to think,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And what.

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Speaker 3: Wade Wilson did that night was take advantage of somebody

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, and an interesting Dave, almost chameleon like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Wade Wilson actually does have a small swastika beneath

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Speaker 3: You see a person like this like Wade Wilson, with

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Speaker 1: But yet we have examples of this, you know throughout

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Speaker 3: Dave, when you've mentioned it that Wade Wilson, Tattoo Face

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't when you're and this guy's a big guy, Dave.

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Speaker 1: But at the end, you know, when you're you're talking

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Speaker 1: But why wasn't that enough? After you had done brutally

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Speaker 3: But before he does that, Joe he's trying to figure

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Speaker 3: got her in the car. Some suggest that once he

429
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: got her close to the car, he pulled her in

430
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: and immediately strangled her, which I think the reason. Some

431
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: hope that there was something else going on, that maybe

432
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: he coerced her into getting in the car. That that

433
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: seems to be more palliative, but you know, easier to

434
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: understand than was something. I tend to be of the belief,

435
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: based on he had just killed Christine Melton, that once

436
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: Diane Rui's got close enough to the car, nobody's riding

437
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: around him. In a spur of the moment, he grabs

438
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: her by the throat, pulls her in and starts strangling

439
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: her right away. That's just my thought. I have no

440
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: evidence to go on that. That's just what I think

441
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: based on what some police reports say.

442
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And here's the thing. It seems as

443
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: though Dave that and I'd love to hear what you

444
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: think about this, that when he leaves Christine Melton's place

445
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: and he's in her vehicle, this attack on miss Ruiz,

446
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: it escalates, doesn't it. It seems like it goes to

447
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: a higher level of violence at this point in time

448
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: because of what we know of what happened to her

449
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: remains and the way her body was treated in the

450
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: post mortem state.

451
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: Well, you know what we found out about Christine Milton.

452
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: We know that they met, we're cordial, engage, you know,

453
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: to the point of developing a quick relationship, and then

454
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: he strangled her. And my thought was it was a surprise.

455
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: She didn't know what's happening, and you know, it was

456
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: over fairly quickly. Diane Ruiz gets strangled right off the bat,

457
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: and he thinks he has killed her and He's thinking, well,

458
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 3: what am I going to do with her body? He

459
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: is thinking that. It's then that he realizes, Joe, she's

460
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: not dead. She took a breath. His first thought was not, oh,

461
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: I got to strangle her again. She's coming back. I

462
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: got it. That was not his first thought. His first thought,

463
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: Joseph Scott Morgan, was to take Diane Ruiz, to throw

464
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: her out of the car and drive over her, not once,

465
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: driving over her body over and over and over again.

466
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: Remember he strangled her inside the car. She survives over

467
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: kill time. And we know this information. Two ways won

468
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: her body, the physical body itself. We do know medical

469
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: examiner told us what happened there in terms of the

470
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: actual injuries. We know his thought process because of a

471
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: conversation he had with his biological father, Joseph Scott Morgan.

472
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: Have you ever, in your death investigator days, dealt with

473
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: anything close to what tattoo faced Wade Wilson did to

474
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: Diana Ruiz.

475
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Not with a car. I was

476
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: actually reflecting on that and where the individual is taking

477
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: the vehicle and going backwards and forwards over this poor

478
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: woman's body. And you know, you think about the reality

479
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: of this, this is the ultimate in defiling a human

480
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: and at a very very primal level. And what what

481
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess someone that was you know, uh,

482
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: that was analyzing this from a psychological standpoint might say, well,

483
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't just to cover up, you know, evidence, because

484
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: as you know, as I hold uh and you and

485
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: I have talked about this, Dave, if you try to

486
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: destroy a body with fire or you know, you're trying

487
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: to dismember it, which lord, we've had enough of those,

488
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: haven't we, Dave. The level of violence that you're talking about,

489
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: it goes so far beyond uh, what you're what you

490
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: did initially. Now you're adding more evidence to it. And

491
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: so this makes this there was a level of decomposition

492
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: as well. We have to keep that in mind. When

493
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: they finally did find her body, and of course this

494
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: is October in Florida. Things happened from a decompositional standpoint

495
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: much more rapidly there than it might other locales across

496
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: our country because the heat. But there was evidence of

497
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: scavenger activity from animals, this sort of thing. But we

498
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: know that the trauma that she sustained was so extensive

499
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: that in that one spot, the police would have a

500
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: devil of time working the scene because you have this

501
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of layering of evidence that's going on in this environment.

502
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: You're trying to decide, well, how in the world did

503
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: she wind up here, what's the significance of this location,

504
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: what's the surface like that the body is found lying upon,

505
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: Who might have access to this location? And why is

506
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: somebody riding around back and forth over the body with

507
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: a car, Because you're probably going to have tire tracks,

508
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: not just in the surrounding area, maybe pressing down the

509
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: grass underlying dirt, Dave, you're gonna have evidence of tire

510
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: tire impressions on the body. Now, I have seen this

511
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: in motor vehicle accents in particular, where you'll see evidences

512
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: of treadmarks on the body. So you've got all of that,

513
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: and think about what we talked about earlier when he

514
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: drug her into the car, Dave. When he drug her

515
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: into the car, he immediately begins to assault her. He

516
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: chokes her out, so you've got that bit of evidence,

517
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: and then he violently reacts to her when he realizes

518
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: that she's not deceased, so again he strikes again, until

519
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: finally you know he's laying her on the ground and

520
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: rolling back and forth over her body. So when you

521
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: get a body like this to the morgue that is

522
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: so mangled, and also your fighting decomposition here, you're trying

523
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: to find answers. What's fascinating is that how do you

524
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: determine how do you determine the difference between what's going

525
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: on in her neck because we believe this is a

526
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: strangulation and maybe what trauma she had incurred as a

527
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: result of the car rolling over her body. Was she

528
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: deceased at the time the first time the car went

529
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: over her, Because if she wasn't and the tire contacts

530
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: the body, you're going to have hemorrhage there as well.

531
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: So do you see how this can become layered and

532
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: then and then it's kind of muddled even further by

533
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: decompositional activity. So it's a very complex puzzle. But you know,

534
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: you mentioned something, Dave that I really want our friends

535
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: to hear. Is this whole case kind of makes this

536
00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: interesting turn where Wade Wilson actually contacts his father, Yeah,

537
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: which is mind blowing to me.

538
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: You know, he was not raised by his biological father.

539
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: They had a minimal relationship. He was raised by step

540
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: parents or by adoptive parents. And his dad has a

541
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: background that landed him in prison a few times. And

542
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: it was his dad during this conversation that Wade Wilson

543
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: admits to doing this to. He doesn't come right out

544
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: and say I killed him. He just said, well, they're

545
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: not going to be going home, you know, they're not

546
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: going to be coming back around. And during the course

547
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: of this conversation with his dad, there were certain things

548
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: that came up that the only reason we know what

549
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: took place, it's because of the conversation that Wade Wilson

550
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: did have with his father about what had been done

551
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: to Diana Ruiz. Otherwise we would not know what had happened. Really,

552
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: we would have an idea of some things. But he

553
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 3: actually tells his dad that he threw her out of

554
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: the car and ran her over so many times until

555
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: she looked like spaghetti. Now, Joe, this is not something

556
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: I would think of to describe a human being, But

557
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: in this case, where you're looking at him running over

558
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: the body of the small, little, you know, woman, mother

559
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: of two, running her over so many times, you would

560
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: see white skin, blood, Yeah, it would look like noodles

561
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: and sauce. It would look like that if you did

562
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: this to the person, you know, with a car running

563
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: them over so many times, they become a mangled mess.

564
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: That that's the best description he could come up with

565
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: to his own father. She looked like spaghetti.

566
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't I don't necessarily, let's see, I

567
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: don't necessarily. I'm not necessarily surprised by the fact that

568
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: he is incapable of saying anything other than this, because

569
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: I think that this guy's mind is in a spot

570
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: where he can dehumanize somebody to the point and I

571
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: think that there's he's dehumanized his self, you know, I

572
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: think greatly. And that's not a far that's not a

573
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: far reach. If you can do it to yourself, you

574
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: can do it to other people. If you'll disfigure yourself,

575
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: you'll you know, how much of a more of a

576
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: leap is it for you to disfigure this poor innocent

577
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: woman that was just minding her own as she walked

578
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: down the road. Yeah, I know, And so the way

579
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: ten o'clock in the morning, Joe, she left the house.

580
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: Her son talked about this. He was the last person

581
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: to see her. She was walking to work ten o'clock

582
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: in the morning when this happens to her. You know,

583
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: in the conversation that Wade Wilson had with his father.

584
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: His father testified.

585
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: They called him as a witness at trial, and he

586
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: said he was relating the conversation that he had with

587
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 3: Wade Wilson, and he said that during the phone call,

588
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 3: Wilson explained, he met a girl. This's talking about Christine Melton.

589
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: He met a girl at a bar, went back to

590
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: her house. They fell asleep. He wakes up and he

591
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 3: said he got on top of her and choked her.

592
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: He said, I choked that be yeap, just because he

593
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: woke up before she did. I guess then this is

594
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: what dad says. He stayed in her house for a

595
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: little while. He rolled her up in carpeting and was

596
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: going to put her in the trunk of her car,

597
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: but he couldn't lift her. Felt like Rigor Mortis had said,

598
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 3: it started to set in. So that's when he decides

599
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: to steal her car, take off in her car, and

600
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: that's where he comes into Diana Ruiz, who's walking down

601
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: the road, and he says, according to the conversation with

602
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: his dad, he asked her for directions she gets near,

603
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: he pulls her in and chokes her while he's driving.

604
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: How difficult is it to choke somebody, Joe while you're driving?

605
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly. And you're taking this woman by surprise.

606
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: And isn't that interesting that point in and of itself

607
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: where you're going to reach over and do I want

608
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: to use the word spontaneously here, Dave, I don't know.

609
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: It kind of escapes it escapes me. Was it planned?

610
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: Because can we go back to Christine just for a second, Yeah,

611
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: because I was thinking about this. In order for riger

612
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: to have set in in Christine's body, we're talking hours day.

613
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I was going to ask. I made

614
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: a note here because I don't know.

615
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have. It would have it would have

616
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: taken hours. Now, whether or not she was in full

617
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: riger at that point in time, I have no idea.

618
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: But this person apparently had an awareness that there was

619
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: rigidity present, so it was appreciable. So he's saying that

620
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: he could not manipulate her body to the point where

621
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: he could get the body in the trunk. Okay, So

622
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: with that said, he decides to steal the car. Well,

623
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: he's in there ruminating over this as he's in this

624
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: poor woman's space, the space that she's created that's supposed

625
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: to be you know, her home safe, home at home safe,

626
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: and he's I think about this, and I'm thinking, well,

627
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: is he getting so angry over the fact that a

628
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: natural biological process is taking place and it's inconveniencing him. Yeah,

629
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: let me steal this car and go out and find

630
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: somebody else that I can exact my anger upon, or

631
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: exact my revenge upon, for the way the world has

632
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: treated me. And I'm going to end this forty two

633
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: year old mother's life with my bare hands. Oh and

634
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: by the bye, I think, I think what I want

635
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: to do is completely and totally eradicate her, rip her

636
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: to shreds, drive back and forth over her body. By

637
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: the way, with the vehicle he has stolen from a

638
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: woman that he is just murdered. I can tell you

639
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: this though, there has been a day of reckoning as

640
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: far as Wade Wilson is concerned, because whether or not

641
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: he gets the death penalty or not, He's never walking

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Speaker 1: out of the Florida State Penitentiary. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: and this is bodybags