WEBVTT - Ep. 15: Ryan Callaghan 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.120 Hey, everybody, and welcome the episode number fifteen and The 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:08.239 Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien and today I'm joined by 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.680 none other than Ryan Callahan, the first Light, Honey, and 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.760 this is Ryan's second appearance in the podcast. Hopefully we'll 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.120 have a whole bunch more times, but in this case 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.600 we were in Sonora, Texas. You joined episode number fourteen's 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:26.040 guests Casey Butler with myself on a hunt down there 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.040 for access to her. And I'll tell you what. We 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:30.400 had a ball and you heard it an episode fourteen. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.239 If you listen, this is just a continual of that 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.960 conversation Ryan and myself. Ryan. If you haven't listened to 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.920 his first episode on The Hunting Collective, you don't yet 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.280 know that he is the definition of the salt of 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.720 the earth. He is somebody who cares about the little things, 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:56.800 somebody who um likes struggle, likes doing things himself. He 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.920 doesn't like anything automated. And it's just a privilege to 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:02.920 be around the gap. It's a privilege to pick up 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.920 on the way he looks at life, the way he 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:12.000 simplifies his existence, and the way that he betters everyone 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.160 around him. And I appreciate Ryan for all those reasons, 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.280 and I think this was a great conversation. We talked 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.640 about our hunt, we talked about hunting with a longbow, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:25.039 We talked about our feelings around record book animals and 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.040 what that means. And we did it all driving in 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:32.320 a truck. Just like episode number two, episode number fifteen, 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.000 we were driving in a truck heading back to Austin, 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:40.120 Texas to drop him off. So would that being said, 0:01:40.880 --> 0:02:01.160 enjoy our driving all right, Brian Callahan, can you hear 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.960 me pretty good? Yes? Ben On? Brian, do you think 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.080 this is the first podcast ever recorded where a guy 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.360 was driving down the road. You know, I would like 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.600 to say that we're breaking new ground here, but I 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:19.560 I know it is not because uh Dan Doty, former 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:26.120 Meteor producer um actually recorded one. Or I should say 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.440 this in reverse, Joe Rogan recorded Dan Doty on the 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:32.920 road back from a Nevada mule here hunt. I do 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.359 remember that now that you say that, I remember that 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.440 they recorded that. That Damn Joe Rogan, I know he 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.800 comes up. Somebody said they were doing a drinking game 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.040 for every time I mentioned Ranella, Rebby Warren and Joe Rogan. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:49.720 So get the drinking fools. You got you gotta take 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.720 like seven drinks already. We're only a couple of minutes 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.280 into this one. Unfortunately it's Friday when we record this. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.919 If you play it on a Friday, just a good 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:03.919 excuse whatever we want now, Wet. We started our last 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:08.800 podcast talking about our surroundings, so it just so happens. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.160 That's so funny. Yeah, it just happens. We were in 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.760 a truck then, and we're in a truck now, So 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.320 go ahead and give me a brief description of your surroundings. Yeah, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.680 so the greater surroundings were actually we just we left 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:29.800 a lovely meal in Fredericksburg, Texas, and uh, we're sitting 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:36.800 in Ben O'Brien's truck and we're heading back to Austin 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:42.920 for some early am flights. This is post access deer Hunt, 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:48.280 but it is in the stoplights section of Fredericksburg. I 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.200 am quite interested to see if we get the same 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.920 treatment that we did at the Hunt Expo when we 0:03:54.920 --> 0:04:00.480 were sitting in a truck. Uh, if people look over 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:04.880 and see and they wonder if we're on nine Overland 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:09.120 Road Race or something. These headsets on for the pit 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.520 crew for a NASCAR race something like that there, No, 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.880 but hopefully nobody looks at it's dark out. If anybody's 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.159 looking in, they probably have bad intentions. Plus we have 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.799 the back of the truck is a giant nitty cooler, 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.960 a tune or you tend to be exact full of 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:31.080 would you say two pounds of access to your meat thereabouts? 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:36.679 I would say it, yeah, every every bit of um. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:44.640 I was thinking, are yield is pretty high because we 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.599 did lots of bone in cuts, but each deer has 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.479 to be sixty pounds a yield, thought you would think, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.279 so yeah, yeah, with the bones in even more so. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.919 We had four deer, four deer, so we're we're heavy, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:06.240 heavy in the bows, meat, all types of gear. We're 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.400 headed back. But that was I mean four deer. We're 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:14.360 there what three days? Yes, three days Canyon Ranch, yeah, yeah, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.600 oddly and big days, big days. Yeah. Because you know, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.240 everybody who listened to the previous episode with our buddy 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.240 Casey from Hushing knows all about the hunt. But we'll 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.559 cover all that again here because we are just leaving 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.680 the hunt that we're doing another podcast because why the 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.200 hell not? And God, let's just give it up to Casey. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.640 What what a lamb. What I mean, it was just 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.080 in the back seat. Yeah, he's back there and just 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:48.320 doing gosh no what really? Yeah, I can see him 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:53.360 glaring at me through the brake lights, piercing eyes, piercing eyes. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.039 Maybe we'll do a phone in where he can just 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.120 come in and comment later on about what we're doing. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:01.919 Like we have a question, he can google it. He 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.599 could be kind of like our a Google guy. Like 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.039 you know, seems like all the famous podcasters have like 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:12.360 a fella that's their googling those things they need to do. Uh, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:20.320 the long days are you know, it's summer. So even 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:24.719 though like this is not you're not climbing mountains out 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.160 here in the hill country of Texas. Was that technically 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.160 hill country? Yeah, I will give it that. We're outside 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:36.000 of Sonora, Texas. And you know it is flat ground, 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:43.919 like very flat ground, and uh, you know it is 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:48.400 very hot. Got a little muggie out there. Uh, there's 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.359 lots of things that stick you. I am pulling lots 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:57.720 of cactus out of myself as we speak. Uh, chiggers, ticks, Uh, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:08.800 very wildlife was absurd. Um, But yeah, you're not exerting 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:15.680 yourself crazily as far as like climbing mountains, but the 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.560 days are very very long. So uh, you know, sun 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:25.640 doesn't set till eight, so you can shoot till eight thirty. Um, 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:30.400 get picked up at like nine o'clock at night, eat 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.760 some food, go to bed by eleven thirty, get up 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:38.560 at four. Yeah, it's full long. There isn't a whole 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.000 there isn't a whole lot of break. Yeah, and it's 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.560 I mean the heat stays on. What were you saying. 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.320 It feels like the blow dry on high heat during 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.080 the day, but then in the evening it goes to 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.680 medium high heat and it feels lovely. It feels lovely. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.960 But yeah, I mean it's that heat takes it out 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.120 of hes. Anybody who's ever spent any time outside when 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:04.320 a hundred degrees well knows that is it is not pleasant. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:08.120 And uh, it rained you, It rained you. I mean 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:13.480 even today we hunted in the morning and then had 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.920 you know, cut up meat in the afternoon, and even 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.280 you know today at five o'clock was like, I'm feeling 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.840 like I have some energy that I haven't had in 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.320 the last couple of days because you're just fighting the 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:27.120 heat all day. Yeah, standing in the walk in cooler. 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:34.240 Cutting meat was uh nice respite. There was a respite. Um. Yeah, 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.679 it's pretty funny. You know. I don't like to stand 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:42.960 around with my mouth hanging open typically, ah, but for 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.120 some reason, I'm like, well, you know, dogs been a 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:52.480 lot of heat that way. So standing out there, here's 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.840 the man who knows what he's doing the desert of Texas, 0:08:55.120 --> 0:09:00.400 trying to stock down access here occasion. Let me be like, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:07.520 open your mouth, do some heavy breathing. Maybe that'll horror temperature, 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:12.120 that'll he vent. That's hey, man, you're an innovator. You're 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.560 an innovator. There's gonna be a lot of hunters out 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.200 there on the mountain this fall. Just mouth breathing. Yeah, 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.439 because of Ryan Galllean. It's like, unzip your fly. You're 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:26.240 a true influencer. If any what you can, like, you 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:31.480 may die out here. Did you, um tell people about 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.320 specifically the weapon that you chose for this and like, 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.880 I know, folks who know you will know that you 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.240 enjoy this this weapon, but specifically where you got it 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.640 and why you choose it over others. So I got 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.559 a new bow. I actually have a couple of new 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.760 bows for the first time in like five years. Um, 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:58.320 but I ran into a fellow, uh last name of 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:04.920 broad Rick and Alberta, and we got to hunt together 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.880 one morning and over the course of looking over the 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:15.079 Alberta playing for mule here we're talking and this guy 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.760 has a hand in making bows with Bushman bows in Florida, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:26.120 and he you know, I it's like, you know, if 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:27.920 you don't want to spend money, you don't look through 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.400 somebody else's binoculars, right, that's right, boy, I wanted and 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:37.000 gets a little bit ooculars. But we were very much 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.360 on the same page as far as like hunting style, 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.560 what we held in high regard, what was most important, 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:49.640 what we disdain um. And I was like, I gotta 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.200 ask you about your bow like that. That is a 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:57.000 beautiful bow and he kind of walked me through his 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:01.520 and and I up thinking about it. And finally I 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:07.160 emailed him and asked, hey, I want to ask you 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.600 about making me a bow, and he never got back 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.480 to me. And then I asked him again. He never 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.520 got back to man, Ah, maybe it's just not for me. 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.640 And then finally he's like, hey, give me a shout 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.199 if you want me to want to talk about bows. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:26.920 And long story short, I got a long bow first 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:32.559 first first long bow ever, and um, so yeah, I'm 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:37.160 hunting with a long bow. I obviously you know I've 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.960 shot long bows, recurve bows and even self bows and 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.640 things like that. But in the scenario of access to you, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.839 I mean we were in a camp with seven or 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.000 eight other rifle hunters and the three of us and 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.200 then one other older bow hunter by the name is Steve. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:57.199 Steve was a badass. Yeah, Steve was buds with old 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:03.080 Fred Bear. They were brows. Yep. Now that's just friend picture. Yeah, 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.320 just you know how we as his new age generally, 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.560 you know, social media people, we post things everybody that 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.280 is over you know forty can remember the days where 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:15.920 you'd show up at a trade show or show up 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.080 at somebody's house and you'd have a flip like a 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.960 photo album of all you're like printing out photos. And 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.200 old Steve had photo album of all the stuff he killed. 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:30.000 He said, yeah, it ain't bragging, boys, here's this moose 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.520 I killed. Now, this ain't bragging. But here's these white 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:37.120 tales I killed everywhere from a hundred forty. But you 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.400 know what it's cool is he prefaced all of this 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:46.480 before the album ever came out, and you could tell 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.920 there was absolutely no bs in this man's voice. But 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.280 he was like, I just I'm so excited to see 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:58.480 you boys here. And he pointed a band because band 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.320 killed the buck the first day with his bow, he said, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.360 And I was so proud of you when you came 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.400 in with that buck the first night. And I mean 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.720 that I you. I was so proud of you because 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.719 you guys are the new generation of bow hunters. Yep. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.800 And he had been bow hunting for like forty years, 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:23.400 and the Annals of bow Hunting is all the years. Yeah, 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.720 that's all the years that there are and bow hunting. 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.000 And so here's the guy, your new Fred Baird has 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.120 been on his whole life. And uh, comes in there 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.640 pretty unassumingly. He's not flashy about anything. Just he' said, 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.920 for lack of a better term, sweet old man, that 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.720 that was climbing up a tree to shoot an access there, 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.720 which I believe he did. And uh, it's cool to 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:47.800 hear somebody like that, because if you and I are 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.440 lucky enough to be in Steve's position, you know, forty 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.680 years from now and be able to tell people that story, Hey, 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.720 I you know I knew Casey from Hushing is what 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.400 we'll probably show him. Photo was Casey and I at 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.520 the table, Like this is a real conversate. What do 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.480 he says? This is a real conversation with Fred Barre. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.480 Let me tell you how it went. The very last 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:14.880 So this guy had Steve has done. You know, if 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.280 if you were somebody who was like, here's a couple 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:23.080 of pinnacles, like ultimate goals as a bow hunter. Um, 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:27.160 this guy has done him. And they're in this photo 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.040 album that he keeps in the in the jockey box, 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:34.120 the glove box of his truck. And the very last 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:40.960 page of this book is this is a quote his Um, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:45.280 I think most prized picture. That's what he said, most 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:49.080 prized picture. And it's him as a younger man speaking 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.600 with Fred Barre at a table and he says, this 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:59.720 is not just picture taken. We were friends and um, 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:01.800 you know he had had a good, good story about 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:06.360 Fred Bear. But it was it was really neat because 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.600 there's like some gramatas with Steve. He's like this is 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:15.360 he's you see it passed on? Yeah, and it was 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.480 important to him and it was like he felt like 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.160 we were this you know, he could probably see himself 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.720 and us. I'm sure at some level when he was 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.600 that you know, younger guy talking to Fred Barr, think 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.600 he says, he's like, you guys remind me and me. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:30.920 It's like, you guys just want to do this with 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:35.520 your bow, and it was it was neat. Yeah, what 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.960 neat person. And one of the reasons you go and 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.840 things like this, stumble on a guy like that. But 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.440 is there I mean back to the long bow and 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:48.120 why you do that? I mean, obviously we're all looking 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.000 for a struggle, right, you know, you want to overcome, 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.760 you want the some of us are just trying to 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.920 find that struggle and whatever it is, Is there there's 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.840 anything like in your mind that can actually too long bow? 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.040 Is there some piece of you that wants to HARKing 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.360 back to Steve or HARKing back to you know, Fred 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.640 Bear or or is it just something you enjoy doing 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.000 as a craft? Oh? I think it'd probably be the 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:18.160 lion if I said there's not some all that, I 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.960 mean really well got my wheels turning on jumping over 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:28.680 to something other than a compound bow, which I certainly 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.560 don't know the statistics, but I would say is by 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:35.040 far and away the most popular archrey item out there. Um, 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.200 it is just the fact that I was having a 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:44.800 lot of difficulty and tuning bows and mentally knowing that 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:46.880 my bow is in tune and knowing that I was 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.520 making a mistake and not you know, thinking that the 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.360 bow was out of tune or you know, or you know, 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:59.000 I had the opposite experience. I haven't just a lemon 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:03.360 of a bow and him and boy, I was damn 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.720 near in tears a couple of times. Um that I 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:12.399 wanted to go to something simple, eliminate as much as possible. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.880 And you know, I had a bad experience other than 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.640 the tuning where you know, I wounded the only bull 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:25.359 elk that I've ever wounded. And um, and the site 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.200 on my bow that I had locked tighted in there, Um, 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:33.120 I had actually come loose through. You know, I'm sure 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:38.440 just hard to use. And um and yeah, I whacked 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:43.240 this boat, this bowl. I saw it several days later. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:47.240 It was a non lethal hit. But still, you know, 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.080 I'd try to do everything I can to eliminate that 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.560 possibility at all. Kind of came to the conclusion that 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.080 I'm not doing everything I can with all these moving 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.720 parts that you gotta have some trust in so I 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.200 want to have more of the onus on myself than anything. 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:09.720 And that's really why I wanted to do it. And 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:14.160 you know, I was really sick of, to the other 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.000 part of your your question. I was really sick of 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.639 kind of playing the game of like, well, you gotta 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.040 have a new bow every year, and you gotta have 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.320 the site and this rest and this, you know, the 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:32.639 list goes on and on and on, and you know, 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:37.200 and I was hearing lots of conversations of well, if 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:41.679 you're a serious archery hunter, you're going to have a 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:47.040 new bow every year, and I thought, bullshit. I know 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.840 lots of guys that saying that, thank you, I get 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.400 there a lot of hardships swishing bows every year. Yeah, 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.840 so yeah, I mean that. I think that is a 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.880 part of the equation. And and you know, I think 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.160 ultimately the biggest part was is when I picked up 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:08.040 that recurve and was super frustrated trying to figure out 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.240 how to be a proficient shooter with the re curve, 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.160 I was having an incredible amount of fun shooting with 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.879 that bow, and so much more fun than I was 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:27.439 having with compound. And you know, truthfully, I was like 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.640 I am not going to get another bow. I'm gonna 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.600 have this bow for the rest of my life and 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.960 call it good. And uh yeah, And then now here 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.520 we are, and I got two new bows, um, a 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.240 new recurve and and this long bow. But you haven't 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.240 gotten a new bow every year, have you? I have not. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.760 So at least you bucked that trend. I have bucked 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:52.800 that trend. But this, uh yeah, I felt felt a little, uh, 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:55.919 a little fruity. But I had to call this student. 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.280 And when I got when the longbow finally showed up, 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.840 I had to call this guy. And uh, it's like, 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.920 I gotta tell you, there's just something about this thing, 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:11.159 like I know, I know this bow and I are 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.959 gonna do get things, Like there's just something about it, 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:19.160 like I just I just love love the the way 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.240 it shoots. And and I still have a lot of 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.760 learning to do. I got thousands of arrows to shoot. 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:27.960 But yeah, I'm I'm digging it. So what's uh what's 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.680 your arrow broadhead set up? Because I was interested in that. 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.719 How you set that up? Yeah? So and this started 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.600 back in the compound days. But I shoot, you know, 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:43.280 uh single bevil, So the blade is only angled and 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:51.439 sharpened on one one side. UM, single blade broadhead, and 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.119 um they're pretty darn stout. I shoot, I've been shooting 0:20:55.160 --> 0:21:00.560 strictling helix forever. Um and uh uh a friend of 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.320 mine that I met through back country hunters and anglers, 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.159 this guy Jared bab and check, he started a company 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:11.199 called Bone Browed Heads, and he uh gave me a 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.960 set of those broadheads a couple of years ago now. 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.920 And you know, I just don't switch over to things 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.800 for the sake of switching over to things, like especially 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:27.520 when it comes to the regard I have for these animals, 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:32.480 Like if I find something that that works, it is 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:38.480 very very hard for me to switch. So UH got 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:41.200 this new setup, and and every bow is different, and 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.399 this long bow was a lot faster, so I had 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.080 to shorten my arrows a bunch and and and it 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.040 was on the verge of being on a different spine. 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.200 And these bone browed heads are two hundred grains, whereas Ms. Strickland, 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.320 he looks that I were shooting or a hundred and 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:58.720 fifty grains, and the two grain heads, I think, uh 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.439 to fit this set up a little bit better. So 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:06.320 long story short, this is uh and these are cut 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.399 on contact heads. But there that ads heads. It's like 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:14.199 a chisel tip, is what some people call it. Um 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:19.159 And you know, everybody says like the ideas for like 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:24.600 punching through bone and is the main point of these 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:29.400 types of broadheads. But if you break it down to nothing, 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:33.399 they fly fantastic. They're super tough. And one of the 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:38.600 things that I really love about them is, uh is 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:45.439 you can sharpen them. And with recurve um you have 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.680 a really good chance I actually find in your arrow. 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.600 With long bowy you get a chance to find your arrow. 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.760 So so you can sharpen those things up and reuse them. 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:59.680 And and you know, I man, I think it's something 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:04.040 like I'm getting a little more a verse two as 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.200 I'm getting older. Is I just don't like the throwaway 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:11.439 nature of so many things these days. And and you know, 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.080 we talked a lot about knives on this trip, and uh, 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:19.119 you know, I I had this, I still have this 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:21.760 awesome knife that my dad gave me for this really 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:26.879 well known knife maker at a Bonder, Montana Ruanna, and 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:31.360 I've sharpened that thing up a good jillion times, many 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:37.080 many times in my younger days. The absolute wrong way, uh, 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:41.960 but you know, that's like a heirloom piece, and and 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.480 I want to have more of that stuff around and 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:49.800 and so yeah, I enjoy you know, I like being 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:53.280 able to grab that broadhead. Uh, you know, give it 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.400 a real inspection, make sure it's not bent in any 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:59.040 way so it will still fly straight straight or sharpen, 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.240 put that edge back on, shaping it up, buff it 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:07.160 up and uh, and hopefully try to put it through 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:09.560 another creator. Yeah, do you feel like, you know, we 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:11.840 go into the camp like we did this this week, 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.840 there's a lot of reactions between people that are hunting 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:21.320 with different styles and different weapons and different age groups. Course, 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.640 in this camp, everybody looks at you with a longbow, 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:28.000 and I feel like most of them think that it's 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.280 next to impossible for you to kill something, let alone 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:34.000 kill a buck of any sort of size. In fact, 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:38.520 our out outfitter was continually making comments like, well, we'll 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.439 never kill a black buck, or I'll get you know, 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:44.160 I'll buy your next your next hunt if you shoot 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:48.600 like oh really, or you know, we'll see about this 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:52.440 with let's see how you do you feel like? That's uh? 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.120 I feel like if if I was in that position, 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:56.840 I'd be like all right, man, That's one of the 0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.960 reasons that I do this is because there is people 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.240 out there that can't conceive how hard it is to 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:08.280 do this and this are are contented and happy cracking 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:11.200 things with rifles and and and making those comments. I 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:15.679 gather that's probably the same for you. Yeah, kind of. 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.480 I mean to a degree, I absolutely love a challenge. 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:24.080 I try to be objective though, also because you know, 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:27.879 I get I'm single, dude, no kids. I get a 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.159 lot of a lot of time to hunt, and I 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.879 get a lot of time to practice and or as 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.320 much time as I want to make for myself really, 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:43.600 so Um. The other side is there are there's a 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:47.480 lot of folks out there that I've met, and before 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:52.520 I jumped in a big hang up, I had uh 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:56.879 to going over to you know, the traditional archery, you know, 0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:02.280 recurve of longbow, cefo, whatever um side of things was. Man. 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.239 I have guided folks, I've been around folks, have been 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:10.440 on archery shoots with folks that, um, you don't have 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.200 this way of thinking when they're shooting their traditional equipment 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:18.240 that I do not agree with at all. If you're 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.560 gonna go hunt a living creature with it, which is like, 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:24.320 oh yeah, some days I got it, some days I don't. 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:30.879 Yeh Um, It's like nope, well that's you. Then you 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.399