1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, and welcome the episode number fifteen and The 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien and today I'm joined by 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: none other than Ryan Callahan, the first Light, Honey, and 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: this is Ryan's second appearance in the podcast. Hopefully we'll 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: have a whole bunch more times, but in this case 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: we were in Sonora, Texas. You joined episode number fourteen's 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: guests Casey Butler with myself on a hunt down there 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: for access to her. And I'll tell you what. We 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: had a ball and you heard it an episode fourteen. 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: If you listen, this is just a continual of that 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: conversation Ryan and myself. Ryan. If you haven't listened to 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: his first episode on The Hunting Collective, you don't yet 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: know that he is the definition of the salt of 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: the earth. He is somebody who cares about the little things, 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: somebody who um likes struggle, likes doing things himself. He 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: doesn't like anything automated. And it's just a privilege to 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: be around the gap. It's a privilege to pick up 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: on the way he looks at life, the way he 19 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: simplifies his existence, and the way that he betters everyone 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: around him. And I appreciate Ryan for all those reasons, 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: and I think this was a great conversation. We talked 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: about our hunt, we talked about hunting with a longbow, 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: We talked about our feelings around record book animals and 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: what that means. And we did it all driving in 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: a truck. Just like episode number two, episode number fifteen, 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: we were driving in a truck heading back to Austin, 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: Texas to drop him off. So would that being said, 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: enjoy our driving all right, Brian Callahan, can you hear 29 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: me pretty good? Yes? Ben On? Brian, do you think 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: this is the first podcast ever recorded where a guy 31 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: was driving down the road. You know, I would like 32 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: to say that we're breaking new ground here, but I 33 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: I know it is not because uh Dan Doty, former 34 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: Meteor producer um actually recorded one. Or I should say 35 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: this in reverse, Joe Rogan recorded Dan Doty on the 36 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: road back from a Nevada mule here hunt. I do 37 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: remember that now that you say that, I remember that 38 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: they recorded that. That Damn Joe Rogan, I know he 39 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: comes up. Somebody said they were doing a drinking game 40 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: for every time I mentioned Ranella, Rebby Warren and Joe Rogan. 41 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: So get the drinking fools. You got you gotta take 42 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: like seven drinks already. We're only a couple of minutes 43 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: into this one. Unfortunately it's Friday when we record this. 44 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: If you play it on a Friday, just a good 45 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: excuse whatever we want now, Wet. We started our last 46 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: podcast talking about our surroundings, so it just so happens. 47 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: That's so funny. Yeah, it just happens. We were in 48 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: a truck then, and we're in a truck now, So 49 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: go ahead and give me a brief description of your surroundings. Yeah, 50 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: so the greater surroundings were actually we just we left 51 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: a lovely meal in Fredericksburg, Texas, and uh, we're sitting 52 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: in Ben O'Brien's truck and we're heading back to Austin 53 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: for some early am flights. This is post access deer Hunt, 54 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: but it is in the stoplights section of Fredericksburg. I 55 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: am quite interested to see if we get the same 56 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: treatment that we did at the Hunt Expo when we 57 00:03:54,920 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: were sitting in a truck. Uh, if people look over 58 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: and see and they wonder if we're on nine Overland 59 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: Road Race or something. These headsets on for the pit 60 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: crew for a NASCAR race something like that there, No, 61 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: but hopefully nobody looks at it's dark out. If anybody's 62 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: looking in, they probably have bad intentions. Plus we have 63 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: the back of the truck is a giant nitty cooler, 64 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: a tune or you tend to be exact full of 65 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: would you say two pounds of access to your meat thereabouts? 66 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: I would say it, yeah, every every bit of um. 67 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: I was thinking, are yield is pretty high because we 68 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: did lots of bone in cuts, but each deer has 69 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: to be sixty pounds a yield, thought you would think, 70 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, with the bones in even more so. 71 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: We had four deer, four deer, so we're we're heavy, 72 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: heavy in the bows, meat, all types of gear. We're 73 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: headed back. But that was I mean four deer. We're 74 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: there what three days? Yes, three days Canyon Ranch, yeah, yeah, 75 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: oddly and big days, big days. Yeah. Because you know, 76 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: everybody who listened to the previous episode with our buddy 77 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: Casey from Hushing knows all about the hunt. But we'll 78 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: cover all that again here because we are just leaving 79 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: the hunt that we're doing another podcast because why the 80 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: hell not? And God, let's just give it up to Casey. 81 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: What what a lamb. What I mean, it was just 82 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: in the back seat. Yeah, he's back there and just 83 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: doing gosh no what really? Yeah, I can see him 84 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: glaring at me through the brake lights, piercing eyes, piercing eyes. 85 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do a phone in where he can just 86 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: come in and comment later on about what we're doing. 87 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: Like we have a question, he can google it. He 88 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: could be kind of like our a Google guy. Like 89 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: you know, seems like all the famous podcasters have like 90 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: a fella that's their googling those things they need to do. Uh, 91 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: the long days are you know, it's summer. So even 92 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: though like this is not you're not climbing mountains out 93 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: here in the hill country of Texas. Was that technically 94 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: hill country? Yeah, I will give it that. We're outside 95 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: of Sonora, Texas. And you know it is flat ground, 96 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: like very flat ground, and uh, you know it is 97 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: very hot. Got a little muggie out there. Uh, there's 98 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: lots of things that stick you. I am pulling lots 99 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: of cactus out of myself as we speak. Uh, chiggers, ticks, Uh, 100 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: very wildlife was absurd. Um, But yeah, you're not exerting 101 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: yourself crazily as far as like climbing mountains, but the 102 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: days are very very long. So uh, you know, sun 103 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: doesn't set till eight, so you can shoot till eight thirty. Um, 104 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: get picked up at like nine o'clock at night, eat 105 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: some food, go to bed by eleven thirty, get up 106 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: at four. Yeah, it's full long. There isn't a whole 107 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: there isn't a whole lot of break. Yeah, and it's 108 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean the heat stays on. What were you saying. 109 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: It feels like the blow dry on high heat during 110 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: the day, but then in the evening it goes to 111 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: medium high heat and it feels lovely. It feels lovely. 112 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's that heat takes it out 113 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: of hes. Anybody who's ever spent any time outside when 114 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: a hundred degrees well knows that is it is not pleasant. 115 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: And uh, it rained you, It rained you. I mean 116 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: even today we hunted in the morning and then had 117 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, cut up meat in the afternoon, and even 118 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: you know today at five o'clock was like, I'm feeling 119 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: like I have some energy that I haven't had in 120 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: the last couple of days because you're just fighting the 121 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: heat all day. Yeah, standing in the walk in cooler. 122 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: Cutting meat was uh nice respite. There was a respite. Um. Yeah, 123 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: it's pretty funny. You know. I don't like to stand 124 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: around with my mouth hanging open typically, ah, but for 125 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: some reason, I'm like, well, you know, dogs been a 126 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: lot of heat that way. So standing out there, here's 127 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: the man who knows what he's doing the desert of Texas, 128 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: trying to stock down access here occasion. Let me be like, 129 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: open your mouth, do some heavy breathing. Maybe that'll horror temperature, 130 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: that'll he vent. That's hey, man, you're an innovator. You're 131 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: an innovator. There's gonna be a lot of hunters out 132 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: there on the mountain this fall. Just mouth breathing. Yeah, 133 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: because of Ryan Galllean. It's like, unzip your fly. You're 134 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: a true influencer. If any what you can, like, you 135 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: may die out here. Did you, um tell people about 136 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: specifically the weapon that you chose for this and like, 137 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: I know, folks who know you will know that you 138 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: enjoy this this weapon, but specifically where you got it 139 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: and why you choose it over others. So I got 140 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: a new bow. I actually have a couple of new 141 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: bows for the first time in like five years. Um, 142 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: but I ran into a fellow, uh last name of 143 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: broad Rick and Alberta, and we got to hunt together 144 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: one morning and over the course of looking over the 145 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: Alberta playing for mule here we're talking and this guy 146 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: has a hand in making bows with Bushman bows in Florida, 147 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: and he you know, I it's like, you know, if 148 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: you don't want to spend money, you don't look through 149 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: somebody else's binoculars, right, that's right, boy, I wanted and 150 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: gets a little bit ooculars. But we were very much 151 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: on the same page as far as like hunting style, 152 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: what we held in high regard, what was most important, 153 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: what we disdain um. And I was like, I gotta 154 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: ask you about your bow like that. That is a 155 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: beautiful bow and he kind of walked me through his 156 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: and and I up thinking about it. And finally I 157 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: emailed him and asked, hey, I want to ask you 158 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: about making me a bow, and he never got back 159 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: to me. And then I asked him again. He never 160 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: got back to man, Ah, maybe it's just not for me. 161 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: And then finally he's like, hey, give me a shout 162 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: if you want me to want to talk about bows. 163 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: And long story short, I got a long bow first 164 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: first first long bow ever, and um, so yeah, I'm 165 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: hunting with a long bow. I obviously you know I've 166 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: shot long bows, recurve bows and even self bows and 167 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: things like that. But in the scenario of access to you, 168 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: I mean we were in a camp with seven or 169 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: eight other rifle hunters and the three of us and 170 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: then one other older bow hunter by the name is Steve. 171 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: Steve was a badass. Yeah, Steve was buds with old 172 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: Fred Bear. They were brows. Yep. Now that's just friend picture. Yeah, 173 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: just you know how we as his new age generally, 174 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, social media people, we post things everybody that 175 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: is over you know forty can remember the days where 176 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: you'd show up at a trade show or show up 177 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: at somebody's house and you'd have a flip like a 178 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: photo album of all you're like printing out photos. And 179 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: old Steve had photo album of all the stuff he killed. 180 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: He said, yeah, it ain't bragging, boys, here's this moose 181 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: I killed. Now, this ain't bragging. But here's these white 182 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: tales I killed everywhere from a hundred forty. But you 183 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: know what it's cool is he prefaced all of this 184 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: before the album ever came out, and you could tell 185 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: there was absolutely no bs in this man's voice. But 186 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: he was like, I just I'm so excited to see 187 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: you boys here. And he pointed a band because band 188 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: killed the buck the first day with his bow, he said, 189 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: And I was so proud of you when you came 190 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: in with that buck the first night. And I mean 191 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: that I you. I was so proud of you because 192 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: you guys are the new generation of bow hunters. Yep. 193 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: And he had been bow hunting for like forty years, 194 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: and the Annals of bow Hunting is all the years. Yeah, 195 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: that's all the years that there are and bow hunting. 196 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: And so here's the guy, your new Fred Baird has 197 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: been on his whole life. And uh, comes in there 198 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: pretty unassumingly. He's not flashy about anything. Just he' said, 199 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, sweet old man, that 200 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: that was climbing up a tree to shoot an access there, 201 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: which I believe he did. And uh, it's cool to 202 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: hear somebody like that, because if you and I are 203 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: lucky enough to be in Steve's position, you know, forty 204 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: years from now and be able to tell people that story, Hey, 205 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: I you know I knew Casey from Hushing is what 206 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: we'll probably show him. Photo was Casey and I at 207 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: the table, Like this is a real conversate. What do 208 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: he says? This is a real conversation with Fred Barre. 209 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: Let me tell you how it went. The very last 210 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: So this guy had Steve has done. You know, if 211 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: if you were somebody who was like, here's a couple 212 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: of pinnacles, like ultimate goals as a bow hunter. Um, 213 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: this guy has done him. And they're in this photo 214 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: album that he keeps in the in the jockey box, 215 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: the glove box of his truck. And the very last 216 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: page of this book is this is a quote his Um, 217 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: I think most prized picture. That's what he said, most 218 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: prized picture. And it's him as a younger man speaking 219 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: with Fred Barre at a table and he says, this 220 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: is not just picture taken. We were friends and um, 221 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: you know he had had a good, good story about 222 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: Fred Bear. But it was it was really neat because 223 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: there's like some gramatas with Steve. He's like this is 224 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: he's you see it passed on? Yeah, and it was 225 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: important to him and it was like he felt like 226 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: we were this you know, he could probably see himself 227 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: and us. I'm sure at some level when he was 228 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: that you know, younger guy talking to Fred Barr, think 229 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: he says, he's like, you guys remind me and me. 230 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: It's like, you guys just want to do this with 231 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: your bow, and it was it was neat. Yeah, what 232 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: neat person. And one of the reasons you go and 233 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: things like this, stumble on a guy like that. But 234 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: is there I mean back to the long bow and 235 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: why you do that? I mean, obviously we're all looking 236 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: for a struggle, right, you know, you want to overcome, 237 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: you want the some of us are just trying to 238 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: find that struggle and whatever it is, Is there there's 239 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: anything like in your mind that can actually too long bow? 240 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: Is there some piece of you that wants to HARKing 241 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: back to Steve or HARKing back to you know, Fred 242 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: Bear or or is it just something you enjoy doing 243 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: as a craft? Oh? I think it'd probably be the 244 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: lion if I said there's not some all that, I 245 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: mean really well got my wheels turning on jumping over 246 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: to something other than a compound bow, which I certainly 247 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: don't know the statistics, but I would say is by 248 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: far and away the most popular archrey item out there. Um, 249 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: it is just the fact that I was having a 250 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: lot of difficulty and tuning bows and mentally knowing that 251 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: my bow is in tune and knowing that I was 252 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: making a mistake and not you know, thinking that the 253 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: bow was out of tune or you know, or you know, 254 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: I had the opposite experience. I haven't just a lemon 255 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: of a bow and him and boy, I was damn 256 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: near in tears a couple of times. Um that I 257 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: wanted to go to something simple, eliminate as much as possible. 258 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: And you know, I had a bad experience other than 259 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: the tuning where you know, I wounded the only bull 260 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: elk that I've ever wounded. And um, and the site 261 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: on my bow that I had locked tighted in there, Um, 262 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: I had actually come loose through. You know, I'm sure 263 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: just hard to use. And um and yeah, I whacked 264 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: this boat, this bowl. I saw it several days later. 265 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: It was a non lethal hit. But still, you know, 266 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: I'd try to do everything I can to eliminate that 267 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: possibility at all. Kind of came to the conclusion that 268 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm not doing everything I can with all these moving 269 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: parts that you gotta have some trust in so I 270 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: want to have more of the onus on myself than anything. 271 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: And that's really why I wanted to do it. And 272 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, I was really sick of, to the other 273 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: part of your your question. I was really sick of 274 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: kind of playing the game of like, well, you gotta 275 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: have a new bow every year, and you gotta have 276 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: the site and this rest and this, you know, the 277 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: list goes on and on and on, and you know, 278 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: and I was hearing lots of conversations of well, if 279 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: you're a serious archery hunter, you're going to have a 280 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: new bow every year, and I thought, bullshit. I know 281 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: lots of guys that saying that, thank you, I get 282 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: there a lot of hardships swishing bows every year. Yeah, 283 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean that. I think that is a 284 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: part of the equation. And and you know, I think 285 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: ultimately the biggest part was is when I picked up 286 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: that recurve and was super frustrated trying to figure out 287 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: how to be a proficient shooter with the re curve, 288 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: I was having an incredible amount of fun shooting with 289 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: that bow, and so much more fun than I was 290 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: having with compound. And you know, truthfully, I was like 291 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: I am not going to get another bow. I'm gonna 292 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: have this bow for the rest of my life and 293 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: call it good. And uh yeah, And then now here 294 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: we are, and I got two new bows, um, a 295 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: new recurve and and this long bow. But you haven't 296 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: gotten a new bow every year, have you? I have not. 297 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: So at least you bucked that trend. I have bucked 298 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: that trend. But this, uh yeah, I felt felt a little, uh, 299 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: a little fruity. But I had to call this student. 300 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: And when I got when the longbow finally showed up, 301 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: I had to call this guy. And uh, it's like, 302 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, there's just something about this thing, 303 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: like I know, I know this bow and I are 304 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: gonna do get things, Like there's just something about it, 305 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: like I just I just love love the the way 306 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: it shoots. And and I still have a lot of 307 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: learning to do. I got thousands of arrows to shoot. 308 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm I'm digging it. So what's uh what's 309 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: your arrow broadhead set up? Because I was interested in that. 310 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 1: How you set that up? Yeah? So and this started 311 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: back in the compound days. But I shoot, you know, 312 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: uh single bevil, So the blade is only angled and 313 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: sharpened on one one side. UM, single blade broadhead, and 314 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: um they're pretty darn stout. I shoot, I've been shooting 315 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: strictling helix forever. Um and uh uh a friend of 316 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: mine that I met through back country hunters and anglers, 317 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: this guy Jared bab and check, he started a company 318 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: called Bone Browed Heads, and he uh gave me a 319 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: set of those broadheads a couple of years ago now. 320 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: And you know, I just don't switch over to things 321 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: for the sake of switching over to things, like especially 322 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to the regard I have for these animals, 323 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: Like if I find something that that works, it is 324 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: very very hard for me to switch. So UH got 325 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: this new setup, and and every bow is different, and 326 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: this long bow was a lot faster, so I had 327 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: to shorten my arrows a bunch and and and it 328 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: was on the verge of being on a different spine. 329 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: And these bone browed heads are two hundred grains, whereas Ms. Strickland, 330 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: he looks that I were shooting or a hundred and 331 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: fifty grains, and the two grain heads, I think, uh 332 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: to fit this set up a little bit better. So 333 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: long story short, this is uh and these are cut 334 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: on contact heads. But there that ads heads. It's like 335 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: a chisel tip, is what some people call it. Um 336 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: And you know, everybody says like the ideas for like 337 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: punching through bone and is the main point of these 338 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: types of broadheads. But if you break it down to nothing, 339 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: they fly fantastic. They're super tough. And one of the 340 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: things that I really love about them is, uh is 341 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: you can sharpen them. And with recurve um you have 342 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: a really good chance I actually find in your arrow. 343 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: With long bowy you get a chance to find your arrow. 344 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: So so you can sharpen those things up and reuse them. 345 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: And and you know, I man, I think it's something 346 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: like I'm getting a little more a verse two as 347 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm getting older. Is I just don't like the throwaway 348 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: nature of so many things these days. And and you know, 349 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: we talked a lot about knives on this trip, and uh, 350 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: you know, I I had this, I still have this 351 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: awesome knife that my dad gave me for this really 352 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: well known knife maker at a Bonder, Montana Ruanna, and 353 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: I've sharpened that thing up a good jillion times, many 354 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: many times in my younger days. The absolute wrong way, uh, 355 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: but you know, that's like a heirloom piece, and and 356 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: I want to have more of that stuff around and 357 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I enjoy you know, I like being 358 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: able to grab that broadhead. Uh, you know, give it 359 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: a real inspection, make sure it's not bent in any 360 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: way so it will still fly straight straight or sharpen, 361 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: put that edge back on, shaping it up, buff it 362 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: up and uh, and hopefully try to put it through 363 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: another creator. Yeah, do you feel like, you know, we 364 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: go into the camp like we did this this week, 365 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reactions between people that are hunting 366 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: with different styles and different weapons and different age groups. Course, 367 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: in this camp, everybody looks at you with a longbow, 368 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: and I feel like most of them think that it's 369 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: next to impossible for you to kill something, let alone 370 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: kill a buck of any sort of size. In fact, 371 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: our out outfitter was continually making comments like, well, we'll 372 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: never kill a black buck, or I'll get you know, 373 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: I'll buy your next your next hunt if you shoot 374 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: like oh really, or you know, we'll see about this 375 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: with let's see how you do you feel like? That's uh? 376 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: I feel like if if I was in that position, 377 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: I'd be like all right, man, That's one of the 378 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: reasons that I do this is because there is people 379 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: out there that can't conceive how hard it is to 380 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: do this and this are are contented and happy cracking 381 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: things with rifles and and and making those comments. I 382 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: gather that's probably the same for you. Yeah, kind of. 383 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: I mean to a degree, I absolutely love a challenge. 384 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: I try to be objective though, also because you know, 385 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: I get I'm single, dude, no kids. I get a 386 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of time to hunt, and I 387 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: get a lot of time to practice and or as 388 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: much time as I want to make for myself really, 389 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: so Um. The other side is there are there's a 390 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: lot of folks out there that I've met, and before 391 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: I jumped in a big hang up, I had uh 392 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: to going over to you know, the traditional archery, you know, 393 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: recurve of longbow, cefo, whatever um side of things was. Man. 394 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,239 Speaker 1: I have guided folks, I've been around folks, have been 395 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: on archery shoots with folks that, um, you don't have 396 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: this way of thinking when they're shooting their traditional equipment 397 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: that I do not agree with at all. If you're 398 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: gonna go hunt a living creature with it, which is like, 399 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: oh yeah, some days I got it, some days I don't. 400 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: Yeh Um, It's like nope, well that's you. Then you 401 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: can't hunt with that. That's real, that's real unlucky for 402 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: that creature across. So uh, there there's a lot of 403 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: bad examples out there, and then there's plenty of bad 404 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: examples in in every sport. But um, or every pursuit 405 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: or do you have a threshold when you're doing it? Like, hey, 406 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: I'm ready now, well right, not quite ready? Is there 407 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: a thresholder? Are you just oh yeah, absolutely absolutely so. Um. 408 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I chose to bring this 409 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: long bow with me. Um. I have not had I 410 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: mean not even a fraction of arrows through this thing 411 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: as I have with my recurve at home. Um. You 412 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: know my recurve. Right situation, I'm proficient um out to 413 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: uh you know about forty five yards um, with like 414 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: clear line of sight, I I can you know, tap 415 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: a target all day long, um with this. You know, 416 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: by the end of our hunt, you know, stepping out 417 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: at lunch and stuff, I was whacking the target well, 418 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: um out there at about you know thirty five Um. 419 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: But I was really really not not really willing to 420 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: go beyond twenty yards, you know, and that's that's that's 421 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: a serious setback. Hey, man is huge, So situational ethics weird. 422 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: It's ugly, head like not ugly in this case. Yep. 423 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely you have to have limitations. But you know, 424 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: I absolutely hope that everybody listening realizes that every single 425 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: you are the most limiting factor, regardless of your weapon. Right, 426 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: So if you got a thirty hot six and you 427 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: can't hit the broad side of the bar, and you 428 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: better not be cracking off shots any distance in that situation. 429 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: So is that something I mean, obviously when I was 430 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: a kid, that was instilled in me pretty early on. 431 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you're upbringing. Was that non negotiable pretty early on? 432 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: Or was it? Yeah? It's kind of interesting. Uh you 433 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: know the Bulko mate, I guess formal shooting training came 434 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: through this outfitter named Larry Pendleton, Stevensville, Montana. And he 435 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: was the hunting mentor of mine and um, ultimately the 436 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: first outfitter that I worked for. And UM, I absolutely 437 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: loved this man to death. And and he could shoot 438 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: a long long way, and um I've shot long distances 439 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: and and uh, but we shot. I was talking about 440 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: this the other day, like I shot so much and 441 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: all Larry did was reload and shoot. And man, we 442 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: we would spend hours when we go out to Ease 443 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: from Montsanah and set up set up camp. We were 444 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: shooting all the time. Like like I said, we'd sit 445 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: there and uh, he'd find a cow patty had dried 446 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: up cow patty out there in the ferry and we'd 447 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: have twenty two. He had these nylon sixty six. You 448 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: were shooting the ship. We were shooting the ship literally ship, 449 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: and he chucked that cow patty out there and we 450 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: shoot it. And you know, the game was just keep 451 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: that cow patty rolling until it disintegrated and then he'd 452 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: find another one and do it again, you know, and 453 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: and it was fun and games, but it was absolutely 454 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: building skill. Yeah. So yeah, um that that was really 455 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: the and honestly so much. Uh. I guess my ethical 456 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: compass comes from comes from that dude and that education. Well, 457 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean, so we you know we have On the 458 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: last podcast with Casey, we talked a lot about failure 459 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: and like what it and success, but but moreover, like 460 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: what failure does to you in hunting and what it means, 461 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: and why it's a little more serious than failure and 462 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: golf or failure and you know, a race of any kind, 463 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: and why hunting failure means a lot more than and 464 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: and really many other hobbies or sports or however you 465 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: want to couch, whatever you're doing outside of your daily routine. 466 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: And we talked. You told, uh, we have a story 467 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: of success this week, pretty badass success, if you asked me, 468 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: pretty unique. And then a story of failure that you told. 469 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: I hope you're willing to tell about a different hunt 470 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: in a different place. Can you weave those two stories together, 471 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: just tell them back to back, or just kind of 472 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: give us an idea of like what that success this 473 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: week meant to you, and then you know, juxtaposed to 474 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: that failure we talked about a little bit ago. Yeah, 475 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: muh boy, I don't know how to succinctly do this, 476 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: So I guess the worry about succinctly. We've got we'll 477 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: be home. We'll be home my house in about forty minutes. 478 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: So driving through these Texas towns, man, there's some stuff 479 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: that I do not expect. You know. It's like it's 480 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: kind of funny to me that uh, I gotta remind 481 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: myself of Texas as a hell of a lot older 482 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: in Montana, even though there's some oh yeah, there's some 483 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: similarities here and there. Well we're driving through uh Johnson City, 484 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: a lot of Lyndon B. Johnson activity here, and let's 485 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: not forget Ladybird, Ladybird Street, Ladybird Street. Uh so it 486 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: was this morning. This morning, Um, I jumped in with 487 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: Ben and Casey and they, Um, I kind of started 488 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: brushing a blind to ground blind very poorly last night. Um, 489 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: and we kind of got out the door a little 490 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: bit late this morning and then uh, you know, Ben 491 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: and Caves, We're like, yeah, these deer they really want 492 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: to get to this water hole and ground blind is 493 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: brush blind is next the water hole. And we did 494 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: trump around yesterday, but uh, you know, only water around 495 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: type of deal. And I was foolish because we did 496 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: trump around. This water helped pretty good, spooked a bunch 497 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,239 Speaker 1: of deer off of it invariably, And I was like, 498 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I think these deer is 499 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of scent everywhere and they's just been pushed around, 500 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: and uh bloy was I wrong? Uh go, the three 501 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: of us going into this brush blind, uh personally built 502 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: brush blind and um where we have two folding chairs 503 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: for the three of us. And as you know, as 504 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: pretty usual, the action starts happening before we're like really dialed. 505 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: And man, it was was wild. Um. So they were 506 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: a deer that came right into the water. Um. Ben, 507 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 1: you were trying to fill your dough teg with your bow. Yeah, 508 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: and we were about, you know, from the center of 509 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: this water hole. We were probably about forty yards. Say yes, 510 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: so when a close side thirty yards on the far 511 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: side of fifty yards and that that was like right 512 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: in the center when she just was as these things do, 513 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: they don't hang around too long. They're not too interested 514 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: in and having a long drink as it were. And 515 00:34:53,200 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: so yeah, to picture it, I guess if let's just say, uh, 516 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: we the chairs are facing two let's let's say the north. 517 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: The water hole would be to the west, and the 518 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: fence line runs east west, and uh, there's a road 519 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: in between us and the fence and the fence is probably, oh, 520 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: fifteen yards and the dead center of the roads twelve yards, 521 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: and um, so it's pretty tight. And these deer coming 522 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: from the opposite side of the fence and they are 523 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: picking different spots in the fence to jump over and 524 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: go to the water. Yeah, we just happened to be 525 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: on the right side of what they need in between 526 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: in between them and uh what they have to get at, 527 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: which is water. And that seemed to be that about 528 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: the only water source anywhere close. Yes, and it as 529 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: a parent that there a ton of deer in the 530 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: area and they wanted to get there. So, um, we're 531 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: like right out of the gate, here's deer coming in 532 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: from the opposite out of the fence. Um. Ben in 533 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: case he had described like, well, yeah, they jump here, 534 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: we want them to walk, uh to the west. When 535 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: they go behind this tree, you can draw and then 536 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: there's your shot. But sometimes what was happening is they 537 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: go to the east when they jump the fence and 538 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: and they you know, basically caught us by surprise. Well, 539 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,959 Speaker 1: of course that's what happens. And there's these two really 540 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: nice bucks that it just yeah, as fate would haven't 541 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: jumped the fence before the rest of the herd, and 542 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: they are just right in her lap, and I have 543 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: the longbow, and they're coming to the east side. Would 544 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: which is my right side, and I'm trying to pivot 545 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: over one butt cheek on the on the folding chair. Um, 546 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, aero knocked and all of a sudden his 547 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: access to here as it was like five yards maybe, yeah, 548 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: I mean he just turns the wrong These things turned 549 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: the wrong way and then they're in your grill, I 550 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: mean there, and you can't for all, you can't move. 551 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: These are cagy critters and I'm you know, crouching tiger, 552 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: hidden dumbassind a bush. And Casey is trying to film 553 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: and you're trying to maneuver a giant long stick with 554 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: the colorful feathers on it. Yes, and um, and you 555 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: know I would be the absolute first to tell you 556 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: that I just do not spend a lot of time 557 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: in a tree standard and a ground blinder and a 558 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: blind at all. And I was a little unsure of 559 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: exactly how things were set to go. And there was 560 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: a dope staring right into my soul from across the fence, 561 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you know, it's it's a very 562 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: classic scenario, right, It's like when do you draw? And 563 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: when you draw, you know you're gonna alert this dough 564 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: and but you gotta draw to shoot and as this 565 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: is equations a running three your head that bucks right 566 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: in your lap and and you know we blow that out. 567 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: So like, well, boy, I feel feel inadequate. This is 568 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: our last Yeah, feel inacquate is like where this is 569 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: our last morning. We gotta we have to drive back 570 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: as we're doing now, and the outfitter doesn't think you 571 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: could do it. Everybody in camp is kind of like, hey, 572 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: look at the weird guy with the stick boat. Yeah, 573 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: and um, that's that's kind of feelings in the air. 574 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: But also it's a new bow and you don't get 575 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 1: the Texas to hunt access to your all that often, 576 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: and there's not a whole lot of folks out there 577 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: that do that, I don't believe. Well yeah, and and 578 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: honestly that was certainly on my mind to more than 579 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: anything else. It's kind of like, boy, am I an 580 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: idiot for not just picking up a gun and shooting 581 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: a deer? Because I have the opportunity, this awesome, awesome 582 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to you know, hunting shooting access dear, and instead 583 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,399 Speaker 1: I want to put you know, the way I want 584 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: to do it above everything else and and try to 585 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: get it with this long bow. So yeah, that's kind 586 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 1: of like, boy, I and here's this deer at five 587 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: yards and um, well you still have to make it work. 588 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 1: The folks back and catch him, who are just poking you, like, hey, yeah, 589 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: you're bringing some You're gonna bring that meat back? Yes, 590 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: some steaks for me when you get back. So you 591 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: got that pressure on you too. You want to you 592 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: don't want to for your own personal challenge. Uh have 593 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: left meat on the table exactly. Yeah, and yeah, so 594 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: I got the first light office is like, hey, access 595 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: to your real tasty better better bring uh because we're 596 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: gonna eat it all. You're not gonna get any of it, right, Yeah, 597 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: and uh and I love sharing meat and cook on 598 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: and stuff, so that that part of that's part of 599 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: part of it is fun also. But yeah, I wanted 600 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, and we talked about at the beginning of 601 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: the hunt. It's like, man, I would above anything. The 602 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: conversation was it wasn't how big of a deer do 603 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: you want to shoot? It was man, I'd love to 604 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: bring some brings Max gearback. So so yeah, and you know, 605 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: here's this buck five yards, another bucket like seven yards, 606 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: and still couldn't make it happen. And I'm just like, 607 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: oh God, I might just being a jackass, So uh 608 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: take a beat, we uh run around. Ben very correctly 609 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: surmises that we just need to brush the blind in 610 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: a lot more. So we haul in um and he 611 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: sort of loose debris that we can dig up, and 612 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: and we uh start stacking around and we make ourselves 613 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: a much uh much better blind because they weren't. They 614 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: weren't getting us with their most of the time, not 615 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: getting us with their noses. Uh, they were hitting us 616 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: with the eyes, and that's what And it was just 617 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: when they're that close to your grill and they're staring 618 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: to your eyes at five yards away, it's not a 619 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: whole lot you can do other than duck behind something 620 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: in front of you. So yeah, and um sudden we 621 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: set up again. And keep in mind too, like there 622 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: were some serious times, some in tense times, but the 623 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: three of us are buddies, and we're probably whisper in 624 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: a little bit louder than we should be, and and 625 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: shooting the ship the whole time, and making funny scenarios 626 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: about strange hybrid creatures. And yes we were. We had 627 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: our we had basically created our own Texas ranch. Whereas 628 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: we had our own exotic species hippo and a jackalope 629 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: had sex and made a hippolope at some point, a 630 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: tiny bouncing hippo with big ears the Hala hippo because 631 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: we sell hunts for him. So uh, we're having fun. 632 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: And and then you know, another group of deer start 633 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: working in and again and it's certainly not the way 634 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: I have seen it, but a buck leads jumps over 635 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: the fence. This time it does go west. It goes 636 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: behind that tree that Ben and Casey said would be 637 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:02,879 Speaker 1: the tree to draw behind draw buck steps out, has 638 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:10,240 Speaker 1: absolutely no clue and you know, am, it's still still walking. 639 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: But um, you know one thing that I am quite 640 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: certain of what, at least with my skills with the 641 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: traditional equipment, is shooting at alert animals is not good. 642 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: It's a slow arrow and this is only ten yards. 643 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: May not have mattered at all, but um, you know, 644 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: very confident in my shot, and take the shot, and uh, 645 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: bizarre things things that I have never seen happen at 646 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: that point. So thanks. I had never seen any of it. 647 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: I had never seen mustachio man from Idaho with a 648 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: longbow shoot anything, let alone an access buck. The deer 649 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean the deer pancakes on it on opposite side 650 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: and proceeds to I mean it was stunned, like deader 651 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: than wedge, just to quiver for a second and then 652 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: started kicking its legs and and I mean in its 653 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: tracks though, like you could see the tracks in the dirt. 654 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:26,399 Speaker 1: That thing tipped over in place. Uh. I sprinted out 655 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: of the blind. Um. And we'll have to review the 656 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: footage because supposedly there is some footage here and then 657 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: are distinctly remember here Ben saying it's down and Casey 658 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:48,399 Speaker 1: goes wow. Um, I think was shocking there. And all 659 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: I could think is, you know, I must have spined 660 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: this thing because it's the way of the way it dropped. 661 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: And I have I have seen some weird spinal shots 662 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: where the critter does just this and then it hops up, 663 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: never to be seen again. So I you know, sprinted 664 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: over there. Uh, put another arrow in it, and we 665 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: kind of proceeded to watch watch this buck expire. Um. 666 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,439 Speaker 1: And and there's some more detail we can go in there. 667 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: But to the original question, you know, this is so 668 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of defeat and there's a little 669 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:36,720 Speaker 1: bit of uh, and and there is success in this story, Um, 670 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: you know a story that I certainly have talked about before, 671 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: but um, you know my experience in Alberta last year 672 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: that the animal that I had encountered and stalked through 673 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: crazy uh adverse conditions, things that uh exposed try and 674 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't be able to stock a wise old 675 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: mule deer in and Dan did everything went right for 676 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,760 Speaker 1: once and got in uh super super close and and 677 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 1: proceeded to be extremely patient and wait and wait for 678 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,359 Speaker 1: that right shot and I missed and and uh this 679 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 1: deer was you know, the caliber deer that uh no exaggeration, 680 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 1: I will truly uh never I have never never be 681 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 1: able to likely hunt again once in a lifetime opportunity. Yes, 682 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean just seeing this animal was something that you know, 683 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 1: very very serious mule deer hunters will uh may never see. 684 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: And you said even when you saw his deer, he's 685 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,399 Speaker 1: like oh it oh and didn't get it, didn't get 686 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: a stock on him. I was likely to have seen that. Yeah, 687 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: three days prayer, I had seen that deer and I 688 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,320 Speaker 1: was yeah, I was like, wow, I am an incredibly 689 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,439 Speaker 1: fortunate human being for having seen that deer, even though 690 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: I will never see it again, and that I just 691 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: saw it from you know, two miles away, and I 692 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,800 Speaker 1: was planning in my head out of stock it, and 693 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: then some cattle came in and bumped it out, and 694 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: I never saw it again. And then the last day there, 695 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, I caught a glimpse of him and relocated him, 696 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:39,839 Speaker 1: got in there and and it was an amazing, amazing experience. 697 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: And um, you know for an really just an incredibly 698 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: brief brief a couple of seconds, uh, soul crushing, but 699 00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 1: really like that disappeared very fast and and again just 700 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: like fortunate to be that close and in the presence 701 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: of that type of animal, and and you know, you 702 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta learn from that. And it was a 703 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: series of little teeny tiny victories over the course of 704 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:23,320 Speaker 1: hours to get interrage on that deer, and a series 705 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,720 Speaker 1: of little teeny tiny victories to get into a shooting 706 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: position from laying flat on your stomach for hours, and 707 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: series of little teeny tiny victories to be patient enough 708 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: to wait for the right shot. And then you know, 709 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: the failure of missing. But um, yeah, it's it's it's 710 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: just a good juxtaposition of you know, you're in Texas 711 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: and you have a super jumpie deer that are always 712 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: on point, especially near water holes. This one happens to 713 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: just be so locked in on getting a drink that 714 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,359 Speaker 1: he doesn't even care that we're tenure arts away. And 715 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: then you get an arrow and him not only did 716 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: you get a good arrow in him, but he drops 717 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: in his tracks for what seems to be no real 718 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: good reason other than he got fumped pretty hard with 719 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 1: a heavy arrow and he got probably hit through the 720 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,879 Speaker 1: shoulder on as far a side. Yeah, and that's what 721 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, it was very anxious. Start the the post 722 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: mortem cropsy, start looking at where that whole wasn't and 723 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,320 Speaker 1: yeah it was you know, it was a higher lung shot. 724 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: And I mean, the only thing I can figure is 725 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 1: maybe that deer was trying to react to the arrow 726 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 1: a little bit, even though I couldn't see it with 727 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 1: my eye, and I and that arrow impacted hard, hard, hard, 728 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, he was anchored, man, because that's 729 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,280 Speaker 1: what I was you when you got up, I was yelling, 730 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: he's a he's down. He stayed down because I was 731 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,360 Speaker 1: looking at like when he was trying to get up 732 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of how much, because was he getting to his knees? 733 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: Was was his back legs coming up off the ground. No, 734 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: he was, he was. He was lifting his head and 735 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: his haunches up and that's it. And he couldn't move, um, 736 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: which which makes you think, well, he must be spine somehow, 737 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: But he wasn't. Yeah. And the bruising on the opposite shoulder, 738 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 1: it didn't go through the opposite shoulder. Um, the bruising 739 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,319 Speaker 1: on the option shoulder went all the way to the 740 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, to the outside of that shoulder. Um. So yeah, 741 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: that arrow whacked him hard. Yeah. Well, I just think 742 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: to me, you have this success you have in a 743 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: pretty unique situation on a unique animal, and then you 744 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,880 Speaker 1: have this failure in a pretty situation on a unique animal. 745 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: And um, what I'm hearing a little bit correct me 746 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 1: off our own, But it's like these experiences are, um, 747 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,319 Speaker 1: the winds and those that the two things, the two 748 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,960 Speaker 1: results are just the two results. Uh. Because you know, 749 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: we certainly did jump up down scream about the axis, dear, 750 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you didn't want to quit bow hunting. 751 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: Maybe you might have a brief moment or twenty um 752 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: after you weren't you know, you weren't in any way suicidal, 753 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: after you you missed one. So it's like these results 754 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:36,399 Speaker 1: are important, but it's not all about that. No, it's not. 755 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean I'm not fooling myself. 756 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm hunting the way I I choose to hunt, not 757 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,760 Speaker 1: the way I have to hunt to provide meat for myself, um, 758 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:58,319 Speaker 1: or provide meat at all, you know. Um, And if 759 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: it were, you know, I'm just about the end result, 760 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 1: I'd be going about things in a hell of a 761 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: lot of different manner. This is, you know, this kind 762 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 1: of a selfish pursuit. And I you don't believe we've 763 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: talked about this before, but it is about you know, 764 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: honing your game, honing your craft, and and um, you know, 765 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: there there's one pet peeve of mine out there, and 766 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,480 Speaker 1: it's like this whole struggle stick thing like I just 767 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,800 Speaker 1: if this were not a proficient killing tool, I wouldn't 768 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: use it because that, yeah, because it just wouldn't be 769 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: fairly animal. Yeah, And it comes off as vanity. Um, 770 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: it can't come off it's man. It doesn't always, but sometimes, um, 771 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,319 Speaker 1: it seems like some folks are shooting a long bow 772 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 1: for for their own vanity to say, look at me, 773 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: look how hard this is? Um, because it does magnify 774 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: your success when you shoot something with a long bow, 775 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: because it is so hard to do and it is 776 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 1: it is a path not a lot of folks choose, 777 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: and it takes a lot of hard work and training 778 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: to do it. So I think that's you know, step 779 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: forward to compound bow versus rifle or muzzle order fire, 780 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 1: modern fire, and so you can make a lot of 781 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,600 Speaker 1: those comparisons if you want. But and you know, uh, 782 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,799 Speaker 1: Kenton Crew said it best. You said, you know the 783 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 1: best thing about hunting with traditional equipment is you get 784 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:31,880 Speaker 1: a hunt a lot more, right, him. You're not putting 785 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,839 Speaker 1: that meat in the freezer every time you go out, 786 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 1: so uh, And there's absolute truth in that to me, Like, 787 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,640 Speaker 1: you know, the hunting stops when you let that arrow 788 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:47,280 Speaker 1: go and it connects, or the bullet fly and it connects. Um, 789 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 1: And man, I love the hunting aspect and I love 790 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,839 Speaker 1: the fact that I will never be as good as 791 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,880 Speaker 1: I feel I should be. Yeah, And I mean I 792 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 1: think also that ends all things. This is something we 793 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 1: were talking about earlier than I was intrigued just to 794 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:12,880 Speaker 1: talk more about, which was that deer in Alberta was 795 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,279 Speaker 1: not only once in a lifetime, dear, But you know 796 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,279 Speaker 1: it might have made its way into certain books, yes, um, 797 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,760 Speaker 1: and those books being in those books would have given 798 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:29,880 Speaker 1: you personally, especially because the way that you took that 799 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,960 Speaker 1: deer quite the leap in hunting circles, you know, like 800 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: an esteem or like status because what you did was 801 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:46,719 Speaker 1: pretty damn awesome. And um yeah, and and I and 802 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, I confided to you guys, I I you know, 803 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: that definitely flashed through my mind then. And but what 804 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: also flashed through my mind is, you know, this was 805 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,360 Speaker 1: a big enough animal to where you know, I would 806 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,640 Speaker 1: have taken a lot of pictures of it, and I'm 807 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,840 Speaker 1: sure my buddies would have taken a lot of pictures 808 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: of it, and and we would have talked about it, 809 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,880 Speaker 1: like crazy, thousands of times more than the mess that 810 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,439 Speaker 1: we're talking about, the mistake that we're talking about. Um, 811 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:22,360 Speaker 1: And there there would have been, um, there would have 812 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,919 Speaker 1: been you know a lot of talk about like, oh 813 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: my gosh, look at this is so awesome, such an 814 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 1: amazing feat and the reality is is kind of undeservedly 815 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,319 Speaker 1: so right. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's the big point for me, 816 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,719 Speaker 1: is like that animal is is I mean you're not 817 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: lucky to come across it. I mean, it's just every 818 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 1: time you step up and pick the buyers up your performing. 819 00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,279 Speaker 1: You know, an activity that has a little bit of 820 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 1: luck involved, like right place, right time, right but you 821 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,399 Speaker 1: put yourself in that place and you spent the time 822 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,600 Speaker 1: out there to fund to be there when that deal 823 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: was But yeah, there's a little luck involved. And we 824 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,960 Speaker 1: were talking about if somebody goes out tomorrow and shoots 825 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 1: a world record elk, does that all of a sudden 826 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:15,760 Speaker 1: make them the best elk hunter, the world's best, world's 827 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,960 Speaker 1: best elk hunter. And I think that the answer is 828 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:24,480 Speaker 1: flatly no. And I'm sure in in the past in 829 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,080 Speaker 1: the hunting industry, it seemed like that might have been true, 830 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,799 Speaker 1: maybe that we kind of let ourselves get fulled by 831 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,800 Speaker 1: instant success or even even to some level consistent success, 832 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,960 Speaker 1: to the point where we were using that as like 833 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,359 Speaker 1: this community standing, oh man, you kill a lot of elk, 834 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,399 Speaker 1: Well you must be the best elk hunter without looking 835 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: at the conditions in what you're doing it, yes, and 836 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,680 Speaker 1: the dedication you have for the for the craft of 837 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,120 Speaker 1: whatever whatever you're choosing to do. Uh. I think that's 838 00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 1: a great conversation to look at you know, based on 839 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: that scenario that you were in, you know, were you 840 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,880 Speaker 1: are you suddenly the best bow hunter ever if you 841 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,440 Speaker 1: took h a difficult endeavor, made it more difficult, and 842 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,879 Speaker 1: then killed you know, one of the biggest deer ever 843 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,680 Speaker 1: to walk on four legs. That was a blacktail and 844 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:22,280 Speaker 1: a white tail got together. I mean, yeah, man, that's 845 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 1: that's an achievement to be to be lauded. But that's 846 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 1: not a it's not a marker of greatness. It's just 847 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 1: a marker of greatness in that one situation if it 848 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 1: if it would have happened. Ye had to put put 849 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,680 Speaker 1: this in in context, is to successfully kill that faking horn, 850 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,840 Speaker 1: you have to do all of the same right things 851 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,480 Speaker 1: that you do to successfully kill that two deer. Yeah. Now, 852 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:56,800 Speaker 1: that faking horn may on occasion put itself in spots 853 00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:02,320 Speaker 1: a little bit easier to sneak up on it maybe, Uh, 854 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: but it still doesn't want to die. That's right, that's right. Well, 855 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,120 Speaker 1: and he and we were saying to that, you know, say, 856 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:16,640 Speaker 1: this is a two mule deer. Two mule deer is 857 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:23,040 Speaker 1: not seven years younger. No, um, you're talking like these 858 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 1: this these you know, relatively small variances and its genetics 859 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 1: and it's diet and its stress levels and just big, 860 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 1: wide open public lands. You're talking about an animal that 861 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 1: won a genetic lottery, maybe got a little bit better feed, 862 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 1: had a little bit less stress in its life that year. Yeah, 863 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't. I mean, is it does that? Does that? 864 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,800 Speaker 1: Does the thirty extra inches handler make it's smarter than 865 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,440 Speaker 1: the one that is? Now? It doesn't. Um, we just 866 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,880 Speaker 1: cove it and value, in my opinion, you know, fetishize 867 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: or overly value these things to to extent that clouds 868 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,920 Speaker 1: are judgment on, Like what what makes us good at 869 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,800 Speaker 1: this thing? You know, what makes us good at hunting? Why? 870 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,880 Speaker 1: Why are we good at it? And what the hell 871 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,360 Speaker 1: does it matter if we are? Like if you're proficient 872 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,760 Speaker 1: and you love what you do and you care like 873 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,040 Speaker 1: you do, but being proficient, no matter what you choose 874 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,800 Speaker 1: to do, what the hell does it matter? Yeah? Man, 875 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:29,200 Speaker 1: because what matters to me is you take that you 876 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,960 Speaker 1: take the right shot, which is when you let that 877 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,240 Speaker 1: arrow go or squeeze that trigger, you know something is 878 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 1: gonna die. Now, it doesn't always happen that way, and 879 00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,480 Speaker 1: it sure is. Heck, hasn't happened all that way for 880 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 1: me all the time. But you know you're not let 881 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't let that thing go and be like, boy, 882 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:54,320 Speaker 1: I hope this works. Yeah, I mean, and so you 883 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,439 Speaker 1: deserve that. You deserve all the credit in the world 884 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,560 Speaker 1: for that, as do every other as every other hunter 885 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,360 Speaker 1: does who works hard at what they do and and 886 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,480 Speaker 1: cares about it even and then of your weekend warrior, 887 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,000 Speaker 1: if you go out to the range and make sure 888 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,520 Speaker 1: your rifles on, you understand where you're going, what you're doing, 889 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,280 Speaker 1: you deserve what you get. You deserve the you know, 890 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,880 Speaker 1: the output from the input. Like, that's what you deserve. 891 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 1: And uh, what we were talking about a uh you 892 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,080 Speaker 1: can tell me the gentleman's name. But the guy killed 893 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,280 Speaker 1: the world record Alca Montane on public lands. This is 894 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,080 Speaker 1: a guy who was a legit hunter. Yeah, Steve Felix, 895 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,720 Speaker 1: Steve Felix and and Steve Felix kills his world record 896 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 1: l public land. And you've had conversations with him where 897 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,960 Speaker 1: you can just kind of tell he's he's legit, he 898 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: does the right way. Yeah, yeah, and I'm always super 899 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:52,840 Speaker 1: it's very revitalizing to have conversations with with guys. There's 900 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's so much humors involved and with a 901 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,800 Speaker 1: lot of folks and well I got the world record, 902 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,240 Speaker 1: I got the state record, or you know, I got 903 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,080 Speaker 1: two fuel here, two white Taylor three inch bowl or 904 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,680 Speaker 1: five hundred inch bowl or whatever. So um, but yeah, 905 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,800 Speaker 1: this guy, um has the world record ar Trio public 906 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:24,240 Speaker 1: Land and he hunts, has put off and he hasn't 907 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 1: been a dedicated I'm gonna kill the biggest thing all 908 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:32,640 Speaker 1: the time. That's what I do guy until recently, and um, 909 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,520 Speaker 1: it's it's just neat. He's like, yeah, what you know, Montana, 910 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 1: you pass a bowl up, you may never get another shot. 911 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,960 Speaker 1: And growing up in Montana, I'll tell you that's the truth. 912 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:48,360 Speaker 1: And and he's like, but you know, getting towards sixty 913 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:54,560 Speaker 1: and I'm got a lot more time to hunt these days, 914 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,720 Speaker 1: and I thought, well, I should probably probably try to 915 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,400 Speaker 1: try to get something big. Got a lot of small bulls. 916 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: So um, it was yeah, it was great, just great. 917 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 1: That's a great example. And that's a guy who should 918 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,280 Speaker 1: be celebrated for what he did that day and then 919 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,640 Speaker 1: and for who he is in his dedication to hunting 920 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,800 Speaker 1: and how much he loves it, right, I mean, he 921 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,600 Speaker 1: doesn't need. Boy, he already has a trophy he doesn't need. 922 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,960 Speaker 1: He doesn't need one, doesn't need another one. Yeah, and 923 01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,080 Speaker 1: you know he, uh, My big question to him when 924 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:35,320 Speaker 1: we spoke this year, said, well, Steve Man, what how 925 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,640 Speaker 1: was it driving into your spot? Did you see any 926 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,080 Speaker 1: other folks? He said, not a not a single person. 927 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:47,760 Speaker 1: And and he hunted his butt off and he found 928 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,680 Speaker 1: another nice bowl and and you know, he's one. He's 929 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,600 Speaker 1: a guy. He's like, man, see it's it's just a 930 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,880 Speaker 1: great spot. And he did and he didn't get the ball. 931 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,480 Speaker 1: Never never let a narrow fly. So well, you were 932 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,760 Speaker 1: saying that a lot of people his, you know, either 933 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,680 Speaker 1: friends of his or people that kind of knew the 934 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,480 Speaker 1: history of guy's killing world records, were like, Hey, you 935 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,280 Speaker 1: gotta cash in on this, baby. You gotta get somebody 936 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,320 Speaker 1: to pay you for this. You gotta get sponsors, you 937 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,520 Speaker 1: gotta go on tour, you gotta you know, you start 938 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,200 Speaker 1: wearing new Yeah, get new carpet. You know a lot 939 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:23,640 Speaker 1: of stuff you gotta do and um and you know, hey, 940 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,400 Speaker 1: getting new carpet. Yeah, you gotta get you gotta get 941 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,480 Speaker 1: you just the Seinfeld where he's like, I can't have 942 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,320 Speaker 1: him manage Dwin have to get a new carpet and 943 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:37,520 Speaker 1: have to start wearing different clothes. Uh, But when you're 944 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,240 Speaker 1: a world record out guy, things are supposed to be different, right, 945 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,560 Speaker 1: but for the for the wrong reasons. They're supposed to 946 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,080 Speaker 1: be different because now you're this exalted like hunter. But like, 947 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,920 Speaker 1: let's say, let's celebrate the animal for what it is, 948 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 1: because the animal is special. Let's celebrate the hunter for 949 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,800 Speaker 1: who he is and what he did that day. That's 950 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,480 Speaker 1: about as far as it goes. And then does he 951 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,240 Speaker 1: deserve to be on the cover field stream? Sure, not 952 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,479 Speaker 1: saying it was, but does he deserve that kind of coverage? Yeah? 953 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,080 Speaker 1: Because I love great stories and so does everybody else. 954 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Does he deserve to get a bunch of sponsors and 955 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,280 Speaker 1: and be richer along as all streams? I guess that's 956 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,160 Speaker 1: for the market to declare. But but I you know, 957 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:25,240 Speaker 1: I would question question the motivations there. Yes, yes, um, 958 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,919 Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's just it's nice to see 959 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,960 Speaker 1: those guys that still have that passion for hunting. And 960 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,600 Speaker 1: then just like our buddy Steve coming out of the 961 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:39,680 Speaker 1: access to your camp. You know that guy, I don't 962 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,080 Speaker 1: know if I could have been around him when he 963 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: was younger. He's so fired up to hunt right now. 964 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,000 Speaker 1: And for him to say I'm proud of you guys, 965 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,720 Speaker 1: was like the weirdest, most awesome thing that you could 966 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,720 Speaker 1: hear from a guy like that. You know, I'm proudly 967 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,800 Speaker 1: like this guy feels a connection because I'm carrying a boat. 968 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,880 Speaker 1: I could be some asshole, I do. I could have, 969 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, shot that deer in the guts and then 970 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,920 Speaker 1: picked up right And he doesn't know, but but he 971 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,560 Speaker 1: just feels like he sees a little bit of himself 972 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,200 Speaker 1: and us, which was which was fantastic. It's amazing. Yeah. 973 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,080 Speaker 1: And I have been in camps where the first hunter 974 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,280 Speaker 1: to come in with the bowl nobody talked to. Yeah, 975 01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,440 Speaker 1: first day, first morning, first day, first Bowl, nobody talked 976 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,240 Speaker 1: to because all of a sudden, it was a reflection 977 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:30,040 Speaker 1: on them. Why did they not get whatever? And this 978 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,160 Speaker 1: guy marsh right up to you, and I was so 979 01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,800 Speaker 1: proud of you. I gotta tell you boys something. I 980 01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,640 Speaker 1: was so proud of you when you came in with 981 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:41,480 Speaker 1: that deer. I mean, my job dropped it that. I mean, 982 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:47,120 Speaker 1: that's what an adult is right there. And he was there, 983 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,400 Speaker 1: I believe, by himself. Where was he from I can't 984 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,680 Speaker 1: remember where he's from, Illinois, Illinois. Came always from Illinois 985 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,920 Speaker 1: by himself because he loves the bow hunt and he 986 01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,439 Speaker 1: had a crossbow. And he was a little uh self 987 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,560 Speaker 1: conscious about his crossbow because you don't want to you know, 988 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,080 Speaker 1: he's a poping young guy, didn't want to get judged. 989 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,560 Speaker 1: But I was saying, and then just like a sweet 990 01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,560 Speaker 1: started like, hey, you know, I'm getting older in my arm, 991 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,400 Speaker 1: hard to pull that bow back, but I I just 992 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,200 Speaker 1: take a crossbury once a while, you know. I was like, dude, 993 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,560 Speaker 1: that's okay, man, you're passion about hown't you do it 994 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,960 Speaker 1: for forty years. You've you've earned the right to choose 995 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,120 Speaker 1: the way you want to do it. Your your shoulders 996 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,640 Speaker 1: should behold Yeah, your shoulders should be falling off, but 997 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,880 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be able to lift a fork, let alone 998 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,320 Speaker 1: lift across bow. Yeah. Yeah, And that I mean it's 999 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,520 Speaker 1: guys like that. You meet guys like that, and it's like, hey, 1000 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,800 Speaker 1: if I could be if I could have Steve's attitude 1001 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,640 Speaker 1: in forty years, if I could have Steve's accomplishments and 1002 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,160 Speaker 1: and just Steve's general disposition, I think I'd be a winner. 1003 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,760 Speaker 1: So absolutely appreciate you, Steve, you're the man. Taren. Right, 1004 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,240 Speaker 1: we're pulling up to my house. Now see those deer 1005 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:58,840 Speaker 1: right there, they live in my yard, the Brand Deer Preserve. 1006 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,959 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, like on they sleep right in the yard. 1007 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,800 Speaker 1: This is my yard. But that's that's my yard and 1008 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,280 Speaker 1: they just chill out. They have fallns all back in 1009 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:13,480 Speaker 1: these these uh this tall grass because obviously like that protection. 1010 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,840 Speaker 1: So I've probably seen I don't know any falls. Lots 1011 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,760 Speaker 1: of fauns though, get born right there here in Texas 1012 01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 1: hill Country. Gateway to the hill Country. Dripping Springs, Texas, everybody. 1013 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,640 Speaker 1: And I want to close this podcast by telling the story. 1014 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,120 Speaker 1: And Rag all it is pregnant, she's wear she's going right. 1015 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,320 Speaker 1: She will get right back there and have that one. Um. 1016 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,720 Speaker 1: And I closed this podcast by telling the story. Almost 1017 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,560 Speaker 1: forgot about it, and then I said dripping springs, and 1018 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:48,800 Speaker 1: I remembered what was going down. So here's my front yard, 1019 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,080 Speaker 1: and I'll show you the deer that are just eating 1020 01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:59,840 Speaker 1: my grass. Shas. There's there's a whole family unit landing 1021 01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,240 Speaker 1: ends friend yard. Yeah, we'll just keep driving around so's 1022 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,200 Speaker 1: to not just sturb my family. So here's a story. 1023 01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,040 Speaker 1: This is great. Everybody. You're gonna love it. I love it. 1024 01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm looking. I have to interapt just briefly. You have 1025 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,920 Speaker 1: a john do your writing lawn more? And I just 1026 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,160 Speaker 1: is that is that too cliche? It's not. I don't 1027 01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,679 Speaker 1: know if it's cliche, but I just for some reason, 1028 01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:30,519 Speaker 1: I can perfectly picture you'd writing around and do you 1029 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,719 Speaker 1: you don't have a lawn to mow there at the 1030 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,760 Speaker 1: d I y condo. Nope. Oh man, when you have 1031 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,360 Speaker 1: a kid and you mowing the lawn, it's like meditation, 1032 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:47,360 Speaker 1: very loud, noisy, hottest ship meditation. Ah, that's what it's like. 1033 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,559 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, get back to your story, please, it's very 1034 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,800 Speaker 1: important stories. I don't have talked to somebody out there 1035 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,639 Speaker 1: in the world probably listening right now. I know he's listening. 1036 01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:00,720 Speaker 1: He told me he does. So. UM. You know, I 1037 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,000 Speaker 1: play in this hunt and I probably myself of my 1038 01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,920 Speaker 1: logistical abilities. It's one of the things, one of my 1039 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:12,040 Speaker 1: few other than talking, one of my few, uh marginal 1040 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:16,280 Speaker 1: talents and uh Mr Callahan. I was like, hey, man, 1041 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,080 Speaker 1: come on down to Texas and after you have some 1042 01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,640 Speaker 1: convincing massaging. He was like, yeah, yeah, I'll do it, 1043 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,360 Speaker 1: and I said, come on down on the Mate Memorial Day. 1044 01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,040 Speaker 1: He said real really yeah, okay, bought his ticket. Well. 1045 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,200 Speaker 1: In the meantime, I talked to the outfitter and turned 1046 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:34,920 Speaker 1: out May twenty ninth was a better day to go. 1047 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,640 Speaker 1: And then I've just neglected to tell Mr Callahan, and 1048 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,920 Speaker 1: then I neglected to remember that he was coming in. 1049 01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,800 Speaker 1: So I was out in my backyard shoot my bow, 1050 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,439 Speaker 1: getting ready. I've just written around on my John Deere 1051 01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,439 Speaker 1: and I get a text from Ryan I'm at the airport. 1052 01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,599 Speaker 1: And my first reaction was like, oh, tomorrow, you're at 1053 01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:00,800 Speaker 1: the airport right, not at the airport today. But no, no, 1054 01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,960 Speaker 1: he was there at the airport and I was in 1055 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,280 Speaker 1: my and my dad clothes doing yard works, shoot my bow. 1056 01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,479 Speaker 1: So I jumped in my truck and I sped down 1057 01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:16,560 Speaker 1: the current the road, little ship. So I jumped in 1058 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:21,040 Speaker 1: my truck and I sped down the road that we're 1059 01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:25,280 Speaker 1: currently on. Uh. Because I didn't want Ryan to have 1060 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,719 Speaker 1: to wait too long with the hipsters in the Austin airport, 1061 01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,400 Speaker 1: afraid he was gonna get cost there would never know 1062 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,559 Speaker 1: what they're those hipsters are gonna do. You don't know there, 1063 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,640 Speaker 1: unpredictable and then so I'm speeding down this road and 1064 01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,679 Speaker 1: I'm talking on the phone, trying to get the day organized, 1065 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,200 Speaker 1: and uh, what do I see the cop pulling me over? 1066 01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,720 Speaker 1: This cop pulls me over, comes to the door the 1067 01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:01,160 Speaker 1: car says, sir, you were going xmile an hour over 1068 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:06,200 Speaker 1: the speed limit. It takes my license. I'll bear and Briant, 1069 01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,720 Speaker 1: oh cool, we've met before. I was like, oh yeah, 1070 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,960 Speaker 1: all right. I assume like that means like we're cool, man, 1071 01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,280 Speaker 1: like we're feeling you did something wrong. But I'll let 1072 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:23,720 Speaker 1: it go. And this stern warning and warning, and this 1073 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,840 Speaker 1: officer gets back to his car and he comes back 1074 01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,840 Speaker 1: and he says, I'm gonna give off issue a citation. 1075 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:30,080 Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, I I don't know if this 1076 01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,120 Speaker 1: does really a whole lot for you right now. But 1077 01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:39,080 Speaker 1: I love the podcast. He's like, are you going to 1078 01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,920 Speaker 1: what are you doing to get at the I told 1079 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,200 Speaker 1: him I was going to the airport. I was I'm 1080 01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,840 Speaker 1: going to get Ryan Kelly. He's all, that's awesome. You 1081 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:50,360 Speaker 1: guys are gonna podcast. Oh yeah, of course we are. 1082 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,360 Speaker 1: I'll make sure to give you a shout outs. So 1083 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Officer Smallwood from Dripping Springs, Texas appreciate your service. Man, 1084 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,840 Speaker 1: I really do not not saying that. Say absolutely, I'm 1085 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,840 Speaker 1: sorry about that speeding held. I'll keep it down because 1086 01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,439 Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot more important to do 1087 01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,960 Speaker 1: than speed. Yeah, that's just one failure that's gonna lead 1088 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,720 Speaker 1: to a lot of a lot of a lot of 1089 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,320 Speaker 1: victories down the road. Officer for small Wood. Did you 1090 01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:21,120 Speaker 1: tying it together, Ryan Calla putting the bow on the podcast? Well, 1091 01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:22,960 Speaker 1: thanks for coming for the second one. We've been in 1092 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,000 Speaker 1: the truck for the entire entirety of our two conversations, 1093 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,360 Speaker 1: so you're a huge part of the hunting collective and 1094 01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,720 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you being willing to do that. Oh man, 1095 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much. And yeah, always always fun to 1096 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:40,519 Speaker 1: you know, cheat the fat with you. Well, I'm happy 1097 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:46,120 Speaker 1: to do it by everybody. That's it. That's all. Episode 1098 01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,679 Speaker 1: number fifteen is in the books. Thank you Mr Gallean 1099 01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,799 Speaker 1: for joining me one more time on a hunting collective. 1100 01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,960 Speaker 1: I'd have him back every episode if I could. I 1101 01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,639 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this conversation on our drive back to Austin, 1102 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:06,439 Speaker 1: Texas from Sonora across the hill country. I really like 1103 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,240 Speaker 1: this one. For a bunch of reasons, but you just 1104 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,800 Speaker 1: got to sit and cruise and listen to Ryan talk 1105 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,280 Speaker 1: about what he liked to do. Um and his humble 1106 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,639 Speaker 1: nature probably won't let him brag too much about his skills, 1107 01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,280 Speaker 1: but I can tell you on this hunt, he delivered 1108 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,640 Speaker 1: and impressed me enough to want to pick up a 1109 01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,400 Speaker 1: longbow myself, so I may just do that, you know, 1110 01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,840 Speaker 1: in the future hunts. So thanks to Ryan one more time, 1111 01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,320 Speaker 1: and thanks to everybody for listening to episode number fifteen. 1112 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,439 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with the episode number sixteen 1113 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:45,679 Speaker 1: with Adam Jankie. So Adam from the journal Amountain Hunting 1114 01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:50,040 Speaker 1: up next week. Good discussion on media and all of 1115 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,360 Speaker 1: this entailed there, so check us out on the Hunting 1116 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:57,040 Speaker 1: Collective dot com, articles, videos, podcasts, all kinds of stuff 1117 01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,360 Speaker 1: there for you to take in. Check me out on 1118 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:04,000 Speaker 1: Instagram at Benny obi one. Keep following along. Big updates 1119 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,120 Speaker 1: to come, big changes hopefully for the podcast, for the 1120 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,560 Speaker 1: positive and hopefully we'll grow well grow with you and 1121 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,280 Speaker 1: know those of you have listened. I can't say enough 1122 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,720 Speaker 1: about it how much the support means to me and 1123 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:22,160 Speaker 1: my family, my wife Hannah, my son James, everyone that 1124 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,760 Speaker 1: has given us positive, positive encouragement. It means a lot 1125 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:26,799 Speaker 1: because of our family,