WEBVTT - John Dickinson, NBA Finals & League News

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<v Speaker 1>All right, sorry guys for those who were expecting a

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<v Speaker 1>live podcast and an actual podcast. Wednesday, I lost my voice.

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<v Speaker 1>I got laryngitis. Went to the doctor that told me

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<v Speaker 1>to rest for somewhere between seven to ten days.

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<v Speaker 2>I told him absolutely not. So I gave her.

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<v Speaker 1>I gave her Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I gave her

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<v Speaker 1>four days.

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<v Speaker 2>We split the difference when you talk for a living.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just really quickly say, there's all kinds of bad

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts that go through your head when you can't project,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's coming out, just like it's a whisper.

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<v Speaker 2>You think you're talking like this, and I could project

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well. It was a whisper.

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<v Speaker 1>Like people who have never uttered these words to me

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<v Speaker 1>were uttering them all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>What'd you say? Uh, what'd you say? Sorry? One more time?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say? I said I'd like a hot tea?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I like a hot tea. It's a very

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<v Speaker 2>nine hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually got out a text the next day because

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<v Speaker 1>I do these beat the Books things on all of

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<v Speaker 1>our Odyssey stations, and it's like, you know, whatever, we

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<v Speaker 1>guess I'm betting trend. And I did it on Tuesday

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<v Speaker 1>before the show, before they kicked me out and and

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<v Speaker 1>I could tell it was like very nine hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Ryan, my co host, was like, it sounds so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting kind of turned on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I get a text the next day from the PD

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<v Speaker 1>from WFA and he was like, hey, Trista, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a long story short. He's like, hey, something was weird

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<v Speaker 1>with that beat the books today? What was happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Question Mark?

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<v Speaker 1>Question Mark question Mark? And I laughed and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I had larryn giitis. I had to get sent home.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes. Honestly, I didn't think much of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew it was weird.

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<v Speaker 1>And then another PD reached out to me and was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on with trisda? Is she trying out sexy?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like nothing I love more than a good run

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<v Speaker 1>line trend.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway. Anyway, that's all that to say I'm sorry. All

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<v Speaker 2>that to say I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, Before we talk about the Warriors as we suspected,

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to life in Boston, which is what they did,

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<v Speaker 1>as we knew that they would because it's Warriors and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into a little news. After James Barrego was

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<v Speaker 1>inexplicably fired, everything Okay, after James Brego was inexplicably fired

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<v Speaker 1>with his team consistently improving year after year after year

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<v Speaker 1>despite nobody liking to play defense.

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<v Speaker 3>I e.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly oubre former Nets head coach current Warriors assistant Kenny Atkinson,

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<v Speaker 1>known for his player development acumen, has currently apsepted export.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Sham's Pew.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the bomb. This is the sun of the

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<v Speaker 2>Shams Bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, he is now Charlott Hornet's head coach. He signed

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<v Speaker 1>a four year deal, which shows you that Michael Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>actually trusts him or has so much money than if

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<v Speaker 1>he fires them. He doesn't care about having two coaches

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<v Speaker 1>on payroll for two years. Because let's be honest, if

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Ikinson does.

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<v Speaker 2>Get fired from Charlotte Waarance probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be intil you're three or four when players tune

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<v Speaker 1>him out like they do Tom Thibodau.

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<v Speaker 2>But I actually love this hire.

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<v Speaker 1>Takes over one of the most exciting teams in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got ten players on this roster under twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>years old. They have the thirteenth pick in this year's draft,

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<v Speaker 1>which is fuck my fucking pick, Blazer's pick. Pretty far

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<v Speaker 1>cry from rehabbing the careers of Spencer Dimwittie, Joe Harris,

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<v Speaker 1>D'Angelo Russell, which he actually did by changing the culture

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<v Speaker 1>of the Nets. He turned Spencer Dinwiddie and Joe Harris

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<v Speaker 1>after being out of the league altogether, to getting paid.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Allen got paid. People forget by the way, that

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<v Speaker 1>Tatum and Brown were actually Nets draft picks. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>little fun fact. Yeah, because of the the Boston trade

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<v Speaker 1>that they did to send Paul Pierce and kg Deron

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<v Speaker 1>Williams all that little scrub trade that they did, and

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<v Speaker 1>he credited He's also credited with developing Jared Allen into

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<v Speaker 1>what we now know as one of the best big

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<v Speaker 1>men in the league.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what Greg Popovich had to say about

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Atkinson when he was turning things around with the Nets,

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<v Speaker 1>because I went and found some old quotes about how

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<v Speaker 1>he changed the culture there was, changing players, getting them

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<v Speaker 1>to buy in. He said, the system is in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny set the standards and makes people accountable. They slowly

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<v Speaker 1>but surely built a culture and all the things that

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<v Speaker 1>have come from that are starting to show.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm happy for all of them. They've done a

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<v Speaker 2>great job.

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<v Speaker 1>And he did since resigning in twenty twenty because he

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<v Speaker 1>was fired.

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<v Speaker 2>KD fired him. He did.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been on the bench in LA with Tyl Lou

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<v Speaker 1>and now he got hired to be the developed development

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<v Speaker 1>person on the Warriors, which is what, quite frankly, the

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<v Speaker 1>Warriors were missing last year, and now you're getting you

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Poole to take a step, Andrew Wiggins to take

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<v Speaker 1>a step, and both teams really vastly. While he was there,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Kurse said this about Kenny. It's still coming back, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>Laryn Jay has still come back. One of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>I hired Kenny was his feel for analytics. Kenny's really

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<v Speaker 1>well versed on that stuff. He's a believer in it.

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<v Speaker 1>This year has been the first time we've ever achieved

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<v Speaker 1>the right balance balance between analytics and the eye test.

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<v Speaker 1>Either people are in the nerd camp or in the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck the nerd camp. Kenny is the is the balance

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<v Speaker 1>between them two. And now he's coaching a team that

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<v Speaker 1>is young and exciting and can't play defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, That's basically what Brooklyn was.

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<v Speaker 1>Young and exciting, not really that exciting at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but young and couldn't play defense. That was a team

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<v Speaker 1>that he took over in Brooklyn, it was twenty ninth

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<v Speaker 1>in defen defensive efficiency he took over, and then like that,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteenth in defensive deficiency in his final year. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>not like the most Migliciles's. The pieces in the NETS

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<v Speaker 1>organization weren't amazing to get them in the top five

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<v Speaker 1>a defensive efficiency. Let's be serious and remember this was

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<v Speaker 1>done without any real player or roster changes, right, no stars.

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<v Speaker 1>You could say that D'Angelo Russell at the time was

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<v Speaker 1>a star, but let's look at him now, he's on

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<v Speaker 1>the trade block. He's not a real like superstar superstar,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kenny Atkinson developed him in a way that D'Angelo

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<v Speaker 1>Russell said really helped him. My prediction is Charlotte. Charlotte

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<v Speaker 1>will be a playoff team next year.

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<v Speaker 2>They were a play in team this year. There were

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<v Speaker 2>only three four wins away from being five to six seed.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that My guess is that they win forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight games five they get five extra games.

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<v Speaker 2>They won forty three this year, they get forty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the five of the six seed next year, and

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<v Speaker 1>two years from real they get fifty wins, they're a

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<v Speaker 1>top four seed. That's my guess I think the Nets

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<v Speaker 1>take a big step back obviously. I think the Sixers

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<v Speaker 1>can only go down from where they are. Bucks continue

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<v Speaker 1>to reign supreme. I think Miami may take a step back,

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<v Speaker 1>and Boston continues to be on this trajectory as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So my prediction is that they've got all the pieces.

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<v Speaker 1>If they can get any fucking thing out of Gordon Hayward, anything, anything,

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<v Speaker 1>just anything, even if they trade them, don't care. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if they get him to buy in on defense again,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. But they've got Miles Bridges, they've got

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<v Speaker 1>Lonzo Alonzo, they got LaMelo Ball. Wish they had Lonzo

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<v Speaker 1>and LaMelo. They've got really good young Terry Rozier. They've

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<v Speaker 1>got playmakers, they're exciting, good wings.

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<v Speaker 2>PJ. Washington trying his very might to make a living

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<v Speaker 2>when he knocked up Brittany Renner.

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<v Speaker 1>So lots of things happening for the Hornets. All that

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<v Speaker 1>stuff's very successful. Maybe he can turn James Booknight into something,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, who knows. My prediction, though, is things get

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<v Speaker 1>vastly improved in Charlotte. Oh man, guys, let's move on.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun while it lasted. It would appear that

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<v Speaker 1>the marriage of DeAndre Ayton in the Phoenix Suns is

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<v Speaker 1>about to end. According to mark Stein, what seems clear,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, with less than three weeks to go until

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<v Speaker 1>free agency commences, is that Phoenix is increasingly expected to

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<v Speaker 1>engage in serious sign and trade talks centered around Aighton,

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<v Speaker 1>with external skepticism only rising regarding the Sun's willingness to

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<v Speaker 1>make a healty, long term investment in the center. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, Da, it's bad timing for you dog. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got an owner who's probably about to lose ownership, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're not putting out two hundred and fifty million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>right before you sell a team. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be hayah, a guillotine on our man,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Sarver. Things are going to come down the pipe.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigation has been going on for almost a year now,

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<v Speaker 1>so listen, things are ruminating. Bubbling will say, obviously like

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<v Speaker 1>an announcement of him being forced Donald Sterling like out,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna happen in the NBA finals. But I promise

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<v Speaker 1>you it's probably gonna happen sometime soon, and it might

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<v Speaker 1>be before free agency, it might be after free agency.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be before the season, but I know what's happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know the Robert Starver is not gonna want

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<v Speaker 1>to pay DeAndre Ayton in the midst of all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So now Stein believes Aiighten is the most prominent player.

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<v Speaker 2>That will switch teams. Good news for me, good news

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<v Speaker 2>for my team.

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<v Speaker 1>His agent, Bill Duffy, who's also an awesome guy, went

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<v Speaker 1>on NBA Radio just the other day and said, this

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<v Speaker 1>things will work out for DeAndre.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a valuable player. And you know what, there's other

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<v Speaker 2>teams in the league as well. This is true, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine other teams.

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<v Speaker 1>DeAndre Ayton is a restricted free agent, meaning that he

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<v Speaker 1>must do a sign in trade in order to make

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<v Speaker 1>that move, or possibly he can go into the last

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<v Speaker 1>five and final year and be a complete free agent,

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<v Speaker 1>which mark Stein does not think will happen. The chances

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<v Speaker 1>are not great for him staying in Phoenix. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what Chris Paul is gonna do. This team is

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<v Speaker 1>significantly worse without DeAndre Ayton. If you're a basketball you

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<v Speaker 1>know how many high screens DeAndre Ayton sets for Devin

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<v Speaker 1>Booker and Chris Paul to turn into easy buckets, either

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<v Speaker 1>turning to pull up jays or turn into rolls lobs

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<v Speaker 1>for DA or for whoever else on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Wing, like a drive in kick scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>So DA is very very underrated player in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he's gonna probably make more money going

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<v Speaker 1>elsewhere if he stays one additional year and does a

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<v Speaker 1>sign in trade. But I don't think he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>leave eight figures on the table and maybe risking injury.

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<v Speaker 1>So the latest is that the Sons are now taking

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<v Speaker 1>inquiries yes on a sign and trade for DeAndre.

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<v Speaker 2>Where will he end up? That's a good question. San

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<v Speaker 2>Antonio is on the table, that'd be an awesome spot

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<v Speaker 2>for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine this, motherfucker, Jake Craig Popovich, you get

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<v Speaker 1>come on, it's an embarrassment of riches. We'll give you,

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<v Speaker 1>yaka peerdl No, we'll give you. So you have David

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson and then you get Tim Duncan.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what he would do with Da? Stop it?

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it please?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Toronto is another landing spot that people are talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be excellent for what they do. DeAndre Ayton

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<v Speaker 1>can switch on defense, very athletic, put the ball in

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<v Speaker 1>his hand, he'd be a perfect fit there. What they

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<v Speaker 1>would get for him, maybe like an og and Anobi.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe a young piece would be nice, little move move

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<v Speaker 1>litt'll win win. Portland potentially will give you, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll give you Nurkic and Anfrety Simons.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that?

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<v Speaker 1>What about Drew EU Banks as the backup center? Will

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<v Speaker 1>give you NRK, Drew U Banks and Anthrety Simons. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Simons will play the one when Chris Paul retires,

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<v Speaker 1>He'll come off the bench and you can give us

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<v Speaker 1>back campaign and DeAndre Aiden. Detroit and Atlanta are also

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<v Speaker 1>the leading landing spots. But for me, I've got one

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<v Speaker 1>destination in mind that I think DeAndre Aiden would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be perfect for Chicago Wolves. I think that would be

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<v Speaker 2>an awesome spot for him.

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<v Speaker 1>They need defense, they need somebody to stop the gaping

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<v Speaker 1>hole that is Nicola Vusovich.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he doesn't play defense.

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<v Speaker 1>You could pair him with Patrick Williams kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a nice little balance between what they both bring to

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<v Speaker 1>the table. And especially if zach Lavine goes somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 1>which like if you're gonna pay either Zach Lavine or

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<v Speaker 1>DeAndre Ayton, I don't even know what to say. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know what to say. Does Zach Lavine fit

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<v Speaker 1>with Devin Booker? Probably not, I don't think so. But

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<v Speaker 1>you could do like a three team trade get something back.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually think the bull swapping Zach for DeAndre

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<v Speaker 1>is probably a huge upgrade, huge, huge upgrade, because let's

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, their issue is is defense healthy. Crusoe, you

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<v Speaker 1>got Lonzo, Ball, you got Ayton. Come on now, like

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<v Speaker 1>this becomes a really good defensive team overnight. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>got Tomorrow Rosen too, Demarta Rosen, Lonzo if he ever

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<v Speaker 1>comes back, Caruso, Patrick Williams Ayton, Like this was a

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<v Speaker 1>six seed.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what do they become next year? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a five, maybe a four, or but just maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a six seed that actually ends up competing in the

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<v Speaker 2>first round instead of just getting absolutely mollywomped in the

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<v Speaker 2>first round. And of course, as you guys know, I

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<v Speaker 2>would love to see him with Dame Lollard. I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to see him setting high picks for game Lillard. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe if we could keep Anfretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Simon's I'm in on that, or maybe we get DeAndre

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<v Speaker 1>Ayton and maybe another piece. I don't know, we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to see. I have to see how it all shakes out.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe we'll get AJ. Maybe we'll get AJ Griffin

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<v Speaker 1>and DeAndre Ayton and we'll have Josh Hart still who

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<v Speaker 1>knows the list of possibilities for us is endless, endless.

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<v Speaker 4>I tell you, oh man, how insane has step been?

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<v Speaker 1>He has been insane thirty four and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>There's round video. R is John here? John's here? John?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up? John? Where are you?

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<v Speaker 3>What's up? I'm at Chase Center right now, live, ready

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<v Speaker 3>to roll.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at Chase Yo. How insane is Steph? Right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Incredible? I mean, it's it's all time legendary type stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>Here is this is MJ or magic or bird all

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<v Speaker 3>in real time? Lebron, you want to throw him in

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<v Speaker 3>any of the greats of the greats. He's putting his

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<v Speaker 3>name right up there by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>You look really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just about because I didn't know when you

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<v Speaker 1>were gonna come on, so I was just about to

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<v Speaker 1>say that I think that we as fans are benefiting

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<v Speaker 1>from Steph not having as many pieces around. Right, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got clay, but clay's not one hundred percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>clay that we're used to seeing right, you've got no KD.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a different team than Steph's ever had before,

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where, especially considering I think that he's

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<v Speaker 1>playing a better team overall.

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<v Speaker 2>Than he's ever played in the finals before.

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<v Speaker 1>So he has to put the team on his back,

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<v Speaker 1>which kind of makes it a lot better for fans

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<v Speaker 1>because we get to see what Steph is capable of

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<v Speaker 1>in ways that we maybe never really gotten the pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>of seeing because he's such a good playmaker.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the Celtics taking the Warriors offense away is

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<v Speaker 3>a big part of that as well. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>the Warriors want to have the open flow ball movement,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's had to be because their defense is so elite.

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<v Speaker 3>It's had to really be Steph versus the world in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of ways for the Warriors to win in

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<v Speaker 3>this series. And that's what it was in Game four,

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<v Speaker 3>and he saved him. He did enough to save them.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, Andrew Wiggins kind of being up

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<v Speaker 3>and down, and Klay Thompson not really being around aside

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<v Speaker 3>from a few big shots in a couple of these games,

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<v Speaker 3>and Jordan Poole non existent, all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Non existent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think he's been non existent and for a

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<v Speaker 3>good bulk of the series. Third quarter really the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the third quarter of Game two, and he played

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty good game in Game four. I would say

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<v Speaker 3>up until Game four non existent. They got enough from

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<v Speaker 3>the others in the game Friday, but still they don't

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<v Speaker 3>win it if Steph doesn't go all time legend and

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<v Speaker 3>put forty three up and just with phenomenal shot making,

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<v Speaker 3>and I mean any one or two of those shots

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<v Speaker 3>rim out or a little bit short. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 3>may be talking about the Celtics trying to try to

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<v Speaker 3>close this thing out tonight in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that you came on early, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>give you a little intro welcoming to the show. My

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<v Speaker 1>guy John Dickinson, who hosts the pre and post game

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<v Speaker 1>Warriors Show on Austine station ninety five point seven, the

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<v Speaker 1>game radio home of Golden State. He also hosts the

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<v Speaker 1>Warriors This Week podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember how we met?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we met in Toronto? Right or was it? Did

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<v Speaker 3>we meet in Toronto?

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<v Speaker 2>It might have been Toronto.

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<v Speaker 3>During that series. It might have been in San Francisco

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<v Speaker 3>at the charity game. Was it at the charity basketball game?

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<v Speaker 1>It might have been the Cherry Basketball game, so to

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<v Speaker 1>give people a little context, that was hosted by Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Haynes and Yahoo at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we ended up speaking of Steph. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was at Steph's Jim.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, under armored Jim outside of SF and John Dickinson

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<v Speaker 1>does what John Dickinson does so well, which is man

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<v Speaker 1>of many traits. Played played some hoop in the charity

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<v Speaker 1>game media game, and also was the broadcaster on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe you did a postgame interview with me

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<v Speaker 1>because I was the player that of No, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know why they gave that to me. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I took a really hard Ethan Strauss check. He knocked

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<v Speaker 1>my ass to the ground on it, Like I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>my chest caved in and everybody could hear it. The fan,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the people who were related to the

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<v Speaker 1>media members and the bank, and they were like, god, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>that looked like it hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that makes sense. I think you nailed it there. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I interviewed you after that game, and yeah, you were

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<v Speaker 3>a quote machine. I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like the I was like.

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<v Speaker 1>The guard version of Draymond Green before Draymond Green decided

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 2>To the media.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes with the game of say Damon Stodomyer or Nick.

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<v Speaker 1>Without without the I remember after that game being like, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get my cardio up because it was rough.

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<v Speaker 2>It was rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Janey was playing in that game. Any who else There

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<v Speaker 1>was a couple of other women media members. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I want to segue to really fast is I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about Draymond Green in his pod.

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<v Speaker 2>Like do you know why that ended up getting started?

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<v Speaker 1>When it got started, and kind of like, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on him as an obvious star because he's been

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<v Speaker 1>a quote machine his entire career, but also just him

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<v Speaker 1>as like balancing the I have a pod and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also a player at the same exact time.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's an opportunity to do something completely different

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<v Speaker 3>that nobody had really done before, to be a player

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<v Speaker 3>that's in the mix, hopefully at the highest level. I think,

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<v Speaker 3>really if he could have done it a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>years ago when the Warriors were in two, three, four

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<v Speaker 3>five finals in a row and winning three of the

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<v Speaker 3>five and all of that, I think he would have

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<v Speaker 3>loved to have been doing it then. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's really something unprecedented for a player that's on the

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<v Speaker 3>highest stage to be able to be also one of

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<v Speaker 3>the best talkers in the league and then do both

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<v Speaker 3>at the same time and be able to constantly address

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<v Speaker 3>anything he wants to address, whether it's his own game,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's his team's game, whether it's some of the

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<v Speaker 3>chatter or the noise or social media. He still does

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<v Speaker 3>all the regular media sessions, so I think everybody loves

0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.840
<v Speaker 3>him for that, and occasionally, well all the time, he'll

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<v Speaker 3>use those media sessions to try and promote the podcast

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<v Speaker 3>in any way possible. But I think he just sees

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<v Speaker 3>himself as a pioneer, really, somebody that's the first of

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<v Speaker 3>many move moving forward that are i think not only

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<v Speaker 3>going to want to play and play at a high level,

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<v Speaker 3>but also be media members at the same time. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not something that's that's frowned upon like it used to be.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, CJ McCollums got his thing. I mean, niggod

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<v Speaker 3>Alla's doing his podcast. I mean, I think the next

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<v Speaker 3>generation of player is going to be taken after Draymond

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<v Speaker 3>Green in that way and wanting to to really be

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<v Speaker 3>multi platform. But Draymond's in his own category. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're going to be talking about Draymond thirty

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<v Speaker 3>years from now as Oh wow, he's been one of

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest broadcasters, analysts, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a question about basketball. Do you remember what

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<v Speaker 2>he did like that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do remember that. I do remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when I.

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<v Speaker 1>Knew that man was a cold blooded killer.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the thing. As we listened to a

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<v Speaker 2>little I think there's some Bay Area yay Area music.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they just cranked up the PA, so I had

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<v Speaker 3>to just crank up my make sure I can hear you.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully that's not drowned day out? Is it good on that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're good. I think we're good. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that I think is interesting is you think

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<v Speaker 1>about media, or you think about players that are in

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<v Speaker 1>the media or at least like doing media stuff, which

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<v Speaker 1>is Kad who's got thirty five ventures and he lives

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter, so he knows how he's perceived.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he's got Graymon, who I think with the.

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast, maybe because he's wanting to engage with the stand

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<v Speaker 1>base and grow this pod. So there's a certain element

0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.680
<v Speaker 1>he almost feels the same things that we feel, where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we need to be on social media and

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<v Speaker 1>we need to kind of see how things are working

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<v Speaker 1>or whether they're not working. And maybe there's a possibility

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to know kind of where whether you think

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<v Speaker 1>this is true or not, is that maybe there's a

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<v Speaker 1>slight bit of him tapping a little too much in

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<v Speaker 1>to the way and what people are saying about him,

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<v Speaker 1>not just like quote unquote blue check media in print,

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<v Speaker 1>but what fans are saying about his play.

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<v Speaker 2>When he talked about maybe, you know, being a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit too much in his head.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he just loves talking period. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>should he have admitted that, I mean, maybe not, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think he just he just loves talking. I think

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<v Speaker 3>somebody asked him in between maybe Game three and Game four,

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<v Speaker 3>like do you ever get sick of it? And I

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<v Speaker 3>think maybe sam Amok the Athletic wrote about it. It

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<v Speaker 3>just he didn't get sick of it. He just wan

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<v Speaker 3>he loves always being on to your point. I think

0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:37.040
<v Speaker 3>he loves the platitudes and the analysis. But I also

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<v Speaker 3>think he enjoys when things maybe aren't going as well,

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<v Speaker 3>trying to address it or trying to call somebody out

0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:45.000
<v Speaker 3>or trying to say, hey, you know, what this take

0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.399
<v Speaker 3>is kind of bs and even though maybe something maybe

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 3>where they's smoke, there's fire in a small way, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's not exactly the same way that things are messed

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<v Speaker 3>up and maybe the way that you think. And here's why,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just raw and which is what Draymond is.

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<v Speaker 3>Love him or hate him, and in the Bay he's loved.

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<v Speaker 3>In Boston right now and in some other cities, he's

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<v Speaker 3>public enemy number one, and that's fine. I think he

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:17.760
<v Speaker 3>embraces all of it and enjoys it and and really appreciates.

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 3>I think he appreciates the respect that comes with somebody

0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:26.480
<v Speaker 3>you know that is always going to be gravitated towards.

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Do you think there's any correlation though, between him tapping

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:32.679
<v Speaker 2>in to the to the public right now with the

0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 2>pod and.

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe some of his play that's suffering because he said,

0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:40.400
<v Speaker 1>like what I'm hearing about myself has got me kind

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of thinking about things differently and over analyzing myself.

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it's possible. I think it's it always

0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:49.680
<v Speaker 3>comes up when the Warriors lose or when he doesn't

0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.159
<v Speaker 3>play well, even here in the Bay, it always comes up.

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean we after Game three to call after call

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.879
<v Speaker 3>after call, Draymond's got to put the microphone down and

0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:02.439
<v Speaker 3>put the hell set the podcast aside until the finals

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:06.080
<v Speaker 3>are over, and he's got to focus on basketball in

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 3>this series and helping Steph and trying to figure out

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:11.680
<v Speaker 3>who he can defend and can he score more than

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 3>two points? And so I think he's aware of it.

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:18.360
<v Speaker 3>But I also think he's such a defiant personality in general.

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 3>There's a part of him well, he is extremely thoughtful

0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:24.360
<v Speaker 3>and philosophical and analytical and all of that. I think

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 3>there's a part of him though that's defiant. He's like,

0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 3>forget this. Y'all are telling me that that I'm in

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 3>my in my head, or you're telling me that I

0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 3>need to put the podcast down or put the microphone down.

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:38.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm not doing that, no chance, because that's you're telling

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 3>me to do it. If you're telling me to do it,

0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:41.320
<v Speaker 3>then there's no way I'm doing it.

0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I've got an audience to give to serve it up for,

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.320
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to continue to serve it up for them.

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's.

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Interesting too, and the NFL as would never be allowed

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 1>to happen, like never. Even Taylor lawan offensive lineman for

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the Tennessee Titans. As soon as the season is on,

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 1>he is not allowed to do his podcast. Mike Rabel

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't allow it. NFL frowns on it, NBA obviously embracing it.

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 2>What does Steve Kerr think about it?

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:10.880
<v Speaker 3>He loves it, He hasn't, well, at least publicly. Yeah,

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.360
<v Speaker 3>he loves it. I mean I don't know that he necessary.

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Steve Kerr would never admit that he doesn't

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.439
<v Speaker 3>like it or isn't for it. He did jokingly. He

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 3>said he got asked a question about something Draymond said

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:24.120
<v Speaker 3>on the pod and his answer within the last week

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 3>was why I don't listen to the pod so and

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 3>everybody got a good chuckle out of that. But he's

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 3>always been the first one to say, hey, look this

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 3>is uncharted waters, it's new territory. Guys can do what

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 3>they want. It's not previous bygone eras. And look, I think,

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Steve Kerr is a pretty forward thinking dude,

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 3>So he would be the last one I think that

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 3>would frown upon something like that. But I think he

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:49.680
<v Speaker 3>also knows that it doesn't do anybody any good. If

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.239
<v Speaker 3>he frowned upon Draymond Green doing it. Considering that he

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:56.719
<v Speaker 3>is still the dude that's the heart and soul in

0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 3>many ways of this Warriors franchise. I mean, Steph is

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 3>the system, Steph is the best player, Steph is the MVP,

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.920
<v Speaker 3>the legend, whatever. But Draymond still in many ways is

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 3>the engine for the Warriors greatness. I mean, and really,

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 3>and it's Steph and it's Draymond, and it's playing and

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 3>it's just the three personality. It's the three style of games.

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 3>But it's the three personalities being so different I think

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:26.679
<v Speaker 3>is a big part of why they've been able to

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 3>last as long as they have and even get back

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:30.879
<v Speaker 3>to the point where they're two games away from maybe

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 3>winning another chip. It's just their personalities fit and they

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 3>don't offend, and it's the reason why there hasn't been

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.480
<v Speaker 3>all the drama between stars that exists I think in

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 3>so many other places which is broken up. A lot

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 3>of these would be champions and maybe even teams that

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 3>have been able to get the job done.

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Yank, I think he is. I think Draymond's a Hall

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:52.719
<v Speaker 2>of Famer.

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, you can talk about Dennis Rodman having

0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:01.120
<v Speaker 1>more rebounds than Draymond, but Draymond being a better playmaker

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>than Rodman, Draymond being more integral to the system than Rodman.

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Other people don't think that he is just based on

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>his lack of offense and some of the other enforcers

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 1>in the league that didn't get in. Where do you

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:17.440
<v Speaker 1>think he falls in terms of that.

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 3>I think he's in for sure, And if he adds

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 3>another chip here in the next week, I mean that

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 3>that only furthers the argument for him. The Defensive Player

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 3>of the Year, the All Defensive first team, second team

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 3>accolades are right up there. I mean, just really the

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 3>consummate winner. And I'll give you another one. I mean,

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 3>in basketball, it's it's not just the NBA, right, It's

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 3>it's the the He gets credit for the things that

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 3>he did at Michigan State and leading them to Final fours,

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 3>and and winning a lot there and and being really

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:55.159
<v Speaker 3>a you know, kind of a model college athlete in

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 3>many ways, uh for for his generation. So I think

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 3>he's a borderline lock to get too.

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I think he's like first ballot because you think about

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>what Steph did to change and transform the game, but

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 1>think about what Draymond did to transform the game.

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Tweeners are now.

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Something that we're all looking like every team, every GM

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>is looking for their Draymond Green, a point forward with

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>an otherworldly basketball IQ who can play make but also

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, knows how to get their star in rhythm.

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 3>No, that's that's exactly right. I mean, yeah, everybody's looking

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 3>for Draymond. I know, Squad, that's fond to your heart.

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 3>The Portland Portland Trailblazers could have used to Draymond in

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 3>the last eight years, right, maybe they had it would

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 3>have a chip if they if they know the rockets

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 3>for all the years that they battled the Warriors, maybe

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 3>if they had a guy like Treymond, they'd have a

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 3>chip or a couple at this point. So I think

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 3>I think that's a great point. I mean gold medals

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 3>as well, yep, And yeah, add that to the list.

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I I know you may get some pushback

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 3>from from some that say, you know, just you look

0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 3>at the stats and all of this and triple single

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 3>and and some of that kind of stuff. But I

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 3>to me, he's he's a borderline lock. And if he's

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 3>a four ring player with the medals, with the college success,

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, to me, he's even there are people around

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 3>here I don't know what your take is on this one,

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 3>and maybe we don't have to go too deep into it.

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 3>But I've always been kind of a no on Igdala

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 3>being a Hall of Famer, But around here, I think

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 3>because he's so beloved, I kind of mix it up

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 3>with people on that one a little bit. A lot

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 3>of people say, oh, he did this, this and this

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 3>and the winning and and you know, being kind of

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 3>the dude that's ahead of the game, and where are

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 3>you on Igdala, I.

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Think I'm really borderline, like I need to go back

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 1>to his time sure Denver and Philly to kind of

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>because it's he's the.

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Cliff and I hate this for him. The cliff that

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Iggy dropped off of was very steep, you know.

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Like just physically, but Finals MVP.

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Finals MVP physically though when he when his body declined,

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 1>it declined so fast, you know what I mean, even

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 1>in Miami. Uh, it was just like didn't look right right,

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and it was even struggling with it in the twenty

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>nineteen series against Toronto, and you could tell he had

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of it was like knee inflammation, which I

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 1>think he's still dealing with now.

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 2>To this day. On and off again with it. He

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 2>was like really battling it.

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>So it's hard to remember how much of it because

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>he was a very good pure scorer, and some would

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 1>say that a key piece to the Warriors going from

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>that Mark Jackson era to getting a chip like he

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>was that piece that was added that got them that chip.

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Needless to say, no Kyrie, no Kevin Love, but still

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>with him, I think that helped a lot.

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh without a doubt, I think he definitely helped enable

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 3>them to heights that that I think many didn't believe

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 3>were going to be possible. And also the willingness to

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 3>come off the bench to allow Harrison Barnes to start

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 3>is kind of part of that story too in that

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 3>two thousand fifteen season, and then he winds up back

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 3>in the starting lineup in the finals, wins the Finals

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 3>MVP after they fell down to one in that series

0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 3>and wound up winning game four, game five, in game

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 3>six to take it four to two.

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>How are people feeling about this series' vibe wise, like,

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>whether that's media, whether that's fans that you come in

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>contact with compared to other Finals run because I know

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 1>I've seen some ninety five to seven the game like

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>pro mode tweets of like Warriors fans, are you panicked?

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Is the sense of emotions different than any other that

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 1>they've faced before?

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 2>And why?

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I think as far as this series goes, first

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 3>of all, I mean, you got to deal with where

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 3>we are now and it's two to two, and I

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 3>think huge sigh relief from the Warrior fan base that

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 3>they were able to get Game four in Boston and

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 3>bring it back here two to two. So I do

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 3>feel like over the last twenty four to forty eight

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 3>hours there is more of a sense of oh, they

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 3>got this. Now, they got this, whether it's in six

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 3>or in seven, they got this. But I think the

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 3>biggest thing that I've heard doing the post game shows

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 3>every single night when we take calls and we go

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 3>we go for three hours. Wow, that's that's loud. We

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 3>go for three hours every night Mike check and we

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 3>take calls, is I didn't realize the Celtics were this good.

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 3>We get We have had many calls with people like

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize the Celtics were this good. I thought

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 3>this was going to be a five game series. And

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 3>I think there is a there is a threat level

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 3>in so the West Coast.

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>That is, like we talk about regional biases, John, like

0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>we talk about New York East Coast bias. That is

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 1>is one of the most insane West Coast like Bay Area,

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>like locked into our shit that I've ever heard.

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 3>It's a it's a Warrior bias. I think, yeah, it

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 3>is a Warriors fan elitist bias, there's no doubt.

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 2>And I hear that about Memphis too, because Memphis was

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 2>given on them.

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 3>No, they were worried about Memphis. Memphis was actually the

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 3>one team even more than maybe Phoenix, and I don't

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, the East didn't really come up a lot.

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 3>I think that the thought was, well, Memphis is the

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 3>toughest team among the fan base. Memphis was the toughest

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 3>team because you know, Warrior fans hate Chris Paul. So

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 3>they thought, oh, Steph, he owns Chris Paul. If they

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 3>play Phoenix, they're gonna win that series. Maybe it goes

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 3>six or seven, but they're gonna they're gonna win that series. Ultimately,

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 3>something will happen. And yeah, something happened. They didn't even

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 3>play them because they couldn't get get pied Dallas. But no,

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 3>the fan base here was legitimately afraid of Memphis, and

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 3>then when John Morant went down, it was like, oh,

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 3>we got this, and then miss steriously the Grizzlies were.

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it wasn't a surprise, but they were much

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 3>better defensively without John Moran and actually hung in that

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 3>series to the point where it kind of left you

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 3>thinking maybe if John Moran played that whole series and

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Memphis had figured some things out, they could have still

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.320
<v Speaker 3>won that series or at least maybe forced to Game seven.

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>So Memphis had the fear maybe more than any team

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 3>and their head to head matchups. Not to get too

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 3>wonky on you, but they really would would physically kind

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 3>of manhandle the Warriors, and they knocked him out last

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 3>year in the play and so no, there there was

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 3>some worry there. But I think as far as everybody

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.759
<v Speaker 3>else goes, the Warrior fan base is so used to

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 3>a position of advantage. They're so used to it, always

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 3>up to nothing, always up three to one, going for

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 3>the gentleman's sweep, never truly in a position of feeling

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 3>vulnerable in series, to where I think the Celtics stunning

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 3>them in Game one the way that they did really

0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:59.919
<v Speaker 3>put everybody, you know, kind of hiding behind the couch

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 3>for a couple of days until the Warriors answered back,

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 3>and then oh wait, it was almost Oh, they've got this.

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 3>Now they're going to Boston. They've figured it out. And

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 3>the one thing I kept saying in between was, well,

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 3>game three is gonna tell you who's figured out what

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 3>and whether Game two was the outlier weather game one

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 3>maybe was the outlier. And then the Celtics win Game three,

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 3>and from that point on it's really been Oh, I

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 3>didn't realize the Celtics were this good, respect like, maybe

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:27.479
<v Speaker 3>this is gonna be a seven game series, because even

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:29.799
<v Speaker 3>after Friday, I'll give you the pulse a Friday night,

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 3>Friday night in Boston, Steph with this Jordanesque performance in

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 3>TD Garden, and you know, fans will get loose a

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.880
<v Speaker 3>little bit and say whatever they're gonna say, and then

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:43.360
<v Speaker 3>it'll be, oh, all right, all right, thanks Warriors in

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 3>six or Warriors in you know all fans do that.

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 3>It was all Warriors in seven. It was all Warriors.

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't Warriors in six. It was Warriors at seven.

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 3>So they were feeling good and great that it was

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 3>two two, But it wasn't like, oh, we're just rolling

0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 3>the next two. It was like, oh no, we'll win

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 3>one though one maybe what would another one? The Celtics

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 3>have the Warrior fan base respect, I'll put it that way.

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 1>How do you we talked about this what was it

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe they maybe Thursday? It was after the loss in

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Game three, and we talked about just like how if

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 1>they win the Chip Warriors, if the Warriors win the Chip,

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 1>how like that may not be the best for the

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 1>franchise in the long term, right, And I thought you

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>made some really interesting points about that, and I wanted

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>you to share them just in terms of, like we've.

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Got a choose your own adventure. Warriors win, where Warriors lose.

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, what happens in each one of these different cases,

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 2>in terms of decision making tree, in terms of how

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.879
<v Speaker 2>they're they're covered the next year, in terms of you know,

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the state of affairs in the next

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 2>three years.

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, look, if if they there's a couple

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 3>of different angles, right, I mean, if the Warriors win it, obviously,

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean they want to win it, and the fan

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 3>base wants them to win it and all of that.

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 3>If the Warriors win it, I think it's almost gravy

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 3>the next couple of years. I mean, the belief will

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 3>be kind of like would Lebron say, not five, not six,

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 3>not like like at that point. I mean, if you

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 3>win this year, I think a lot of the conversation

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 3>is going to be about this two timeline thing, and well,

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 3>if Steph wasn't MVP regular season level going back to

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 3>this year, well then maybe he can just kind of

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.320
<v Speaker 3>get through the regular season. Maybe Clay will be a

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 3>little better, and Draymond's still around, and there's all these

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 3>young players. What about Wiseman and Kaminga and Moses Moody

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 3>who was picked fourteenth. Like, if they win it, I

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 3>think it's almost gravy like they they pretty much.

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Don't do really anything in the they run it.

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 3>I think they run it back and they allow the

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 3>young players to maybe be a bigger part of it.

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 3>They still would have the Pepper and some veterans, I

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.439
<v Speaker 3>think with some playoff experience along the way, Paige Jordan

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Poole ride it out with Wiggins play cominga more Wiseman like.

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 3>There's just a freedom I think that comes with winning

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 3>it this year for the next year for them. If

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 3>they don't win it, I think That's where it gets

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 3>a little tricky because then the conversation sort of shifts

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 3>to do you were this close within two games or

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 3>one game, depending upon how it ends of winning the

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 3>NBA Championship and you couldn't get over the hump? And

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Steph put up maybe an Finals MVP performance even in losing.

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:37.240
<v Speaker 3>Do you owe it to him and Clay and Raymond?

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 3>But really deal it to him to do whatever it

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 3>takes to get over the hump? And does that mean

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 3>you look to trade a Kaminga or a Wiseman or

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 3>something like that. And I don't think they want to

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 3>do that as an organization, But and the veterans did

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 3>go in last offseason and say, hey, we we would

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 3>we need veteran help if we're going to make a

0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 3>playoff run, and maybe you should consider making some kind

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 3>of a trade, and the and the front office and

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Joe Lacob I think at the head of that was like, no,

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:06.799
<v Speaker 3>we're not gonna do that. We're gonna we're gonna see

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 3>how far this group you Steph, Clay, Draymond Wiggins, how

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 3>far that group can take you. But I do think

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 3>it gets trickier if they don't win it. And the

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 3>and the question as far as as the anthem begins

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 3>here behind me, little little test anthem, Uh, the question

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 3>then becomes what do you have to do to get

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 3>over that hump?

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>So and then we talked about media coverage too, and

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that's really interesting because it feels like some

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of the flags that might have come with Memphis ended up.

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 1>He's having domerant that maybe people would have identified or franchised,

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 1>recuganized and said, like Saint I may is a defensive ability,

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, a bigger, stronger teams. The Bucks aren't going

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 1>in there, right, You've got Miami may or may not

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 1>go anywhere, and obviously Boston's going anywhere either.

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 2>So how do you think the way that there'll be

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 2>will be covered?

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 1>And changes too with the ninety five to seven of

0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>the game, the white years of the world like war years, twitter.

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Et cetera.

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 3>What's gravy If they win it, I mean, if they

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 3>win it, literally.

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:24.359
<v Speaker 2>No criticism the entire year.

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 3>If they win it, there's no criticism. If they win it,

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:31.439
<v Speaker 3>it's it's top of the mountain. And hey, come at us,

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 3>come at us, bro come at us. Sis Like that

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.800
<v Speaker 3>really is what Hey we're on top of the mountain.

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 3>It's Joey light Ears. You can't stop us. Kaminga is

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 3>the next Giannis. Uh. You know, Wiseman is going to

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:51.280
<v Speaker 3>be exactly everything they didn't have. He's Robert Williams plus

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 3>Jaron Jackson, like combined into one. And that's what he's

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.799
<v Speaker 3>gonna be. And it's just it.

0:40:56.920 --> 0:41:00.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you mean, the delusions will in it from where

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:02.319
<v Speaker 1>they already are.

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 3>It will it will be come at us. Hey, Boston,

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 3>that was cute. You couldn't get it done. Now we're better.

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:11.400
<v Speaker 1>That's annoying, though, don't you think that's annoying?

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 3>It can be.

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, are you gonna do that?

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:20.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't ever do that. Like That's that's why I

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 3>don't ever do that. I I love talking about the games.

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 3>I love talking about the teams. I'm not you know,

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm not here to you know, pat myself on the back.

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Although I think I did, yeah, exactly, No, I didn't

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 3>know it was I was gonna say I didn't. I

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:34.400
<v Speaker 3>didn't know it was this kind of this kind of show.

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 3>Although you do video, you did cuss a couple of times,

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 3>so that's okay, we can do that. Okay, I got you.

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 3>So the video is only for.

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Us, Yep, exactly, It's just I got.

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well that's good, all right, Well then I then

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:49.839
<v Speaker 3>I should I should have just taken the jacket off.

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Then I'm sure.

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Whatever you need to do.

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just get real, Dell and so Sonya curry with it.

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:59.879
<v Speaker 3>Just get real comfortable. Yeah, real comfortable. But no, yeah,

0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't roll like that. I mean you could.

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 3>You could make the case that the Warriors not winning

0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 3>it would make for more compelling for a more compelling

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:12.320
<v Speaker 3>conversation moving forward.

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you think Adam Silver wants.

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I think that's interesting. I think Adam Silver likes having

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 3>the Warriors at the top of the mountain. To be honest,

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 3>I think he does. I think he likes everybody. I mean,

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:28.719
<v Speaker 3>the ratings would say he does, right. I mean, and look,

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:30.879
<v Speaker 3>the Celtics are part of that too, But I think

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 3>he likes having them back at the top of the

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 3>mountain and everybody's sort of aspiring to be them. But

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 3>in terms of conversation, you could make a case that

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 3>them not winning it leads to juicing your conversation.

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 2>More interesting outcomes too. Where'd you go now?

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm here?

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, more interesting outcomes in my opinion too, Do you

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>think so?

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.319
<v Speaker 3>I think so. I think it could be. Excuse me,

0:42:58.360 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 3>I need to take a sip here in.

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:00.720
<v Speaker 2>This, That's okay.

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 1>We talked also about fan bases, and I said this

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>to you when we talked after Game three.

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, it's.

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Funny that the Warriors, you know, they faced Cleveland, the

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 1>Cleveland Cavaliers fan base for a million years, and then

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>they faced Toronto for one year.

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Toronto was a.

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 1>Nice place to play, fine, passionate fan base, but they're civilized.

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Let's be honest. They're civilized folk. They're Canadians, and they're

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:29.959
<v Speaker 2>not They're not messing around.

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.879
<v Speaker 1>I think there might have been one little interesting thing

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that happened with the fan during that series, but nothing crazy,

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>no like real scuttle butt.

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Outside of the whole Drake thing that I got roasted for.

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 3>There was no.

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 1>There was no yeah, there was no like, oh my god,

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I needed to take my dubs jersey off when I

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 1>left the arena. Like, do you do you think that

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 1>this is the first like real deal fan base that

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:03.359
<v Speaker 1>the war have faced in the finals, And you think

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 1>that's like a fair fair estimation?

0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.879
<v Speaker 3>Well, we're only talking about three. I mean we're talking Yeah,

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about Boston, Toronto, and Cleveland. And look, the

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:18.080
<v Speaker 3>games in Cleveland were I thought tremendous atmospheres, especially the

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.919
<v Speaker 3>two years where the Calves had a chance. They didn't

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 3>really have a chance in seventeen or eighteen, but fifteen

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.840
<v Speaker 3>and sixteen they did. So I think I think that

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.760
<v Speaker 3>the Calves crowds were good. Toronto, I was blown away.

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 3>I'd always heard great things about Toronto, but yeah, it

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:36.240
<v Speaker 3>was more of a joyous crowd. They were really happy

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:38.399
<v Speaker 3>that their team was in it. Yeah, and I think

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 3>they knew, hey, we're playing the Juggernauts that have been

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 3>in this thing five years in a row like this.

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Is just happy to be like winning games.

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:48.400
<v Speaker 3>There and yeah they yeah, no, And they had a

0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 3>lot of years where they couldn't quite get over the hump.

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 3>So I think just being in the finals and having

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 3>home court advantage and all of the things that went

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:56.880
<v Speaker 3>through that to get to that point, I thought they

0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 3>were just really really really happy and loud and it

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 3>was awesome. I would put Toronto probably ahead of Cleveland

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 3>in terms of the overall atmosphere, but yeah, Boston's on

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 3>another level. I mean, that's a that's a town, that's

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 3>it's it's an edgier fan base. They take it seriously

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 3>all of their sports, whether it's the Red Sox or

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 3>the Patriots or the Celtics. And yeah, it's gonna get

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 3>a little salty maybe in terms of of the language

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 3>or or the interaction if you're if you're wearing a

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 3>warrior's jersey. They're used to winning, Yeah, and they demand winning.

0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean what I mean, this is their twenty second

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 3>finals and I think they've lost what five I think

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 3>so or four five whatever that. Yeah, this is the

0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:40.959
<v Speaker 3>twenty one and they won seventeen, So seventeen and four.

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's pretty good, pretty good.

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 1>And they're known for doing things, you know, all kinds

0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.400
<v Speaker 1>of outlandish things throughout the course of time. If you

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:58.280
<v Speaker 1>watch winning time, Uh, Norm Nixon talked about how insane

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the fans were, and even the the home cooking in

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:05.319
<v Speaker 1>the refs and all that that noise before we let

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:06.440
<v Speaker 1>you run, raising.

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 3>The basket, raising the basket during warmups.

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe rough and tough stuff, pooping in in Bill

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Russell's bed in the hotel room, rats skurring around the breezeway,

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:22.839
<v Speaker 1>so we're far cry from that. But uh, I want

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.760
<v Speaker 1>to pivot to just something really interesting that has happened,

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>which Kenny Atkinson now the new head coach of the

0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte Hornets. As per Shams, this is the bomb. This

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 1>is the sound of the Shams bomb. So one, I

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:43.280
<v Speaker 1>want two things from you. One, what has Kenny done

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 1>putting his fingerprints on this organization this season? Because the

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 1>number one thing that I think was missing last year

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe the year before that was the development side, right,

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.279
<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of what even Steve said was sort

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 1>of missing and what they brought Kenny into do. So

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:02.880
<v Speaker 1>from what you've covered and what you know, what has

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Kenny done for this this team this year that you

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>can kind of says he's leaps.

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 3>For him, I think you hit on it. I think

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.480
<v Speaker 3>I think individual player development was a big part of that.

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 3>And the Warriors because they had so many young players,

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 3>they put a real emphasis on on player development as

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 3>far as how does Jordan Poole make a jump? Maybe

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.719
<v Speaker 3>make two jumps? How does that work? Wiseman. A part

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 3>of it Kaminga did this year as well, is how

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 3>does he go from somebody that that can you know,

0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 3>be a player more Anthem, Tony Lindsay, Tony Lindsay, everybody

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 3>Santana favorite here in the Bay going round two, Round

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 3>two for Tony Lindsay. But no, it was it was excellent.

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it'll be excellent at six o'clock here Pacific

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:55.800
<v Speaker 3>too when we when we hear it Korea. But uh,

0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 3>it's it was all of that, Like, how does kaminga

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 3>go from somebody that played the G League get you know,

0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 3>ignite team and then gets drafted seven overall and become

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 3>somebody that I think by year two playable in the

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 3>playoffs if need be, but by year two can be

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 3>somebody that's a factor to maybe take somebody's spot moving forward.

0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 3>So also individual game preparation. The Warriors kind of went

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 3>out of their way at least at the beginning of

0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 3>the year and said we want to chase wins, none

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:24.640
<v Speaker 3>of this, like they want to win as much as

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 3>possible to put themselves in position to where.

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 2>They we've regretted that.

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:34.279
<v Speaker 3>It was an awful look. It was an awful look,

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:36.879
<v Speaker 3>and I think he knew it. And I think Mike

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 3>Brown defensively, some jankie defenses in some like they got

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:46.640
<v Speaker 3>far more game plan specific this year on a game

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 3>to game basis in the regular season, especially early, and

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.360
<v Speaker 3>I think Kenny Atkinson was a big part of that,

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 3>taking a look at at scouting other teams and hey,

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 3>what can we do not just to run our stuff

0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 3>on offense and just run our regular defense, but how

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:04.399
<v Speaker 3>can we make sure we do everything possible to win

0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:06.400
<v Speaker 3>these games on these nights. I think it's why they

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.280
<v Speaker 3>got up to the eighteen and two, forty one and thirteen.

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 3>Then they had some injuries and everything kind of went

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:14.239
<v Speaker 3>awry a little bit. They couldn't get everybody on the

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 3>same page after Clay came back until the playoffs. But

0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:19.919
<v Speaker 3>now in the playoffs they've been able to do enough

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 3>to put themselves to where now they're they're two games

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:22.800
<v Speaker 3>away from a title.

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:24.359
<v Speaker 2>How does Kenny do it?

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:32.759
<v Speaker 3>He's just exceptionally maniacally organized from what I understand of him,

0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 3>and I think, you know, he'll be a great hire

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:38.920
<v Speaker 3>for Charlotte. That I think is, you know, a couple

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 3>of levels behind maybe where the where the Warriors are at.

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 3>But I think you know, you look at at LaMelo

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Ball and some of the talent that they have. They're

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.759
<v Speaker 3>some good young talent and he developed Brooklyn to a

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.640
<v Speaker 3>point where they were they were a team that was

0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:54.839
<v Speaker 3>ready for a couple of stars to come in and

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 3>maybe help them along the way, not completely take it

0:49:57.560 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 3>over and kick him to the curb while they were

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:01.880
<v Speaker 3>at it, or whether they were preparing for that to

0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 3>that point where they were going to get there. But no,

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 3>he's one of the most I think prepared, organized, maybe

0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 3>even to the point of just maniacal dudes in the league.

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:18.919
<v Speaker 3>And so I think Charlotte found themselves a good one

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 3>on that front as far as trying to get out

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:24.399
<v Speaker 3>of the playing tournament and get into maybe the top

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:26.239
<v Speaker 3>six and then who knows from there.

0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:28.720
<v Speaker 1>One of the number one things that I read about

0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Kenny and when I talked to d Lo when he

0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 1>was playing on the nets that year, is just the

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>building of culture. And like the word culture was written

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know man like thirty forty fifty times in

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 1>one article about Kenny just from your time around the team,

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 1>like how does he do how does he build culture?

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:51.880
<v Speaker 1>And how do you think he can do that?

0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:52.440
<v Speaker 2>In Charlotte.

0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 3>I think accountability is a big part of it. I

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:56.480
<v Speaker 3>think with the Warriors, though, he and this will be

0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 3>interesting to see how far he takes it from his

0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:03.640
<v Speaker 3>Warriors time, you know, going back to now coach Charlotte

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 3>as a head coach. But I think the Warriors culture

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:09.799
<v Speaker 3>is so ingrained that I think he probably had to

0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:12.800
<v Speaker 3>fit more with what the Warriors do. But I think,

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'll use Mike Brown as an example. Mike

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Brown coming in after being a dude that was, you know,

0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:21.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of viewed as overly stressed and maybe maybe a

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 3>little obsessive, compulsive and things like that. The Warriors taught

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 3>him he needed to chill a little bit. And and

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:32.239
<v Speaker 3>he spent a number of years here and we'll see

0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 3>and he's got a little different task as he goes

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 3>ninety miles down the road to Sacramento. But I think

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 3>it's more what maybe Kenny learned from his time here,

0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:45.520
<v Speaker 3>and maybe that is that you want to have a

0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:48.960
<v Speaker 3>great culture, but you can't necessarily be obsessed with the

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:52.480
<v Speaker 3>with the culture and having every particular part of it

0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:56.319
<v Speaker 3>fit in the in the same box, if that makes sense.

0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:58.520
<v Speaker 3>So just a little bit more laid back I think

0:51:58.680 --> 0:51:59.640
<v Speaker 3>is probably the way.

0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:00.919
<v Speaker 2>To go time in the Bay.

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Bruh, Yeah, No, I I think that's an interesting point

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:06.960
<v Speaker 1>because that was one of the main things that I

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:09.280
<v Speaker 1>remember hearing there's.

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 3>A fourth time doing Tony Lindsay wasn't happy with how

0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 3>he sounded.

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Talk about maniacal and attention to detail, Tony Lindsay with

0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:22.320
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of national anthems here. I think the number

0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>one thing that I've heard in my time when I've

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.479
<v Speaker 1>kind of asked, well, like, why did Kevin Durant want

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Kenny gone? So that was essentially what happened is you know,

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:35.880
<v Speaker 1>you got to go. Him and Kyrie were like task

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 1>and one of the things that I heard was that

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:44.120
<v Speaker 1>he had a very strict way of training protocol getting

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:47.400
<v Speaker 1>guys ready, and that worked for young guys and for

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:50.799
<v Speaker 1>stars who have been doing things a certain way. They've

0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:53.480
<v Speaker 1>got a certain protocol that they have also designed that

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:56.360
<v Speaker 1>works for them. And so when those two things clashed,

0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, then you've got issues. Do you think that

0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:02.040
<v Speaker 1>that's something that we're going to see Kenny evolve from

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:03.120
<v Speaker 1>even with the young team.

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:07.200
<v Speaker 3>I think he's probably gonna have to, And that's a

0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:09.520
<v Speaker 3>good reason. I think that's a big takeaway is you

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 3>got to change a little bit here and there. I

0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 3>think with you gotta find that balance and look he's

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:20.080
<v Speaker 3>got LaMelo ball. That's it needs to work with LaMelo

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Ball there, because he's that good. At least it appears

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 3>he's that good a couple of years into his career

0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:27.920
<v Speaker 3>to where you want him to be the face of

0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:30.440
<v Speaker 3>the Hornets, not for just the next two or three years,

0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 3>but you want him to be the face of the

0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 3>franchise for the next ten plus years. And so you know,

0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:39.919
<v Speaker 3>Kenny's job is to build everything around him, but it's

0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:43.279
<v Speaker 3>also his job to make sure that everything stays harmonious.

0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:45.319
<v Speaker 3>So I think, yeah, being a little bit more laid

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 3>back and understanding that not everything has to fit in

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 3>the too each particular box is probably a big part

0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:53.320
<v Speaker 3>of what he would take away from from a potential

0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:56.400
<v Speaker 3>championship year with the Warriors, and getting.

0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.839
<v Speaker 1>Those boys to play some defense because they are atrocious

0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:02.319
<v Speaker 1>at that right, no doubt. Their paint defense was I

0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:05.600
<v Speaker 1>want to say, thirtieth in the league, So that'll be

0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:09.320
<v Speaker 1>an interesting thing. Final thoughts before we let you Oh, also,

0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.800
<v Speaker 1>really quickly, someone floated out the idea that we should

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.920
<v Speaker 1>all collectively start to go fund me for four and

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:19.480
<v Speaker 1>a half million dollars to put thoughts on the hardwood

0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:20.840
<v Speaker 1>for Jordan Pool to play better?

0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Did you see that news story? Thoughts on that new thoughts.

0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:26.839
<v Speaker 3>On that I didn't. I hadn't seen that. I had

0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:30.280
<v Speaker 3>not seen that. We run that back for me again,

0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 3>what is going on here?

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:32.200
<v Speaker 2>All right?

0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 1>So there's the campaign out there on Twitter or some

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:40.279
<v Speaker 1>news outlet that was like, how much is too much

0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:43.480
<v Speaker 1>to pay for Jordan Poole to be motivated to play

0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:47.080
<v Speaker 1>better and for court side seats, to get little batties,

0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 1>batties on the on the court side all together it

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:52.640
<v Speaker 1>would cost if they had that entire area, you can

0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:55.880
<v Speaker 1>buy four and a half million dollars for the next

0:54:55.920 --> 0:55:00.520
<v Speaker 1>two games for Chase Center. I'm not sure why people

0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:02.799
<v Speaker 1>think that that's what's gonna make Jordan Poole play better.

0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:05.680
<v Speaker 3>We played better in game four. And look, even even

0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:08.759
<v Speaker 3>I had almost forgotten earlier we were talking about No,

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:11.120
<v Speaker 3>he played pretty well in game four. It's does it translate?

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Was it one game or does it translate to a

0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:15.759
<v Speaker 3>couple of more games? Here? And this is I'm not

0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm not chipping in on that one, Trista, Sorry, I'm not.

0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:20.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm out. That one's against my principles.

0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I saw it and I was like, even for you.

0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:27.880
<v Speaker 1>This is maybe the most bonkers, the most bonker story

0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:33.120
<v Speaker 1>I've I've ever heard Warriors in what what do you

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 1>think is gonna happen? Is it?

0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Warriors? And you have to be honest?

0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:38.719
<v Speaker 3>Now Warriors and seven Warriors. I think I think the

0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:42.360
<v Speaker 3>Warriors are winning tonight in Game five. I think Boston's

0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:45.560
<v Speaker 3>gonna hold serve and then I think the Warriors eke

0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:49.879
<v Speaker 3>out a Game seven win back here on Father's Day

0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:53.080
<v Speaker 3>Sunday and win the championship. Close game down the stretch.

0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 3>I think they win it five to seven points at

0:55:57.080 --> 0:56:00.120
<v Speaker 3>the end, sort of a maybe a similar finish to

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:03.719
<v Speaker 3>the finish in Game four with a close game and

0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:07.080
<v Speaker 3>then Boston unable to Boston missing a couple of shots

0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:08.640
<v Speaker 3>and the Warriors hitting a couple of big ones to

0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:09.560
<v Speaker 3>put them over the top.

0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Good stuff, Good stuff, John Dickinson, my guy. We appreciate

0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:16.960
<v Speaker 1>you for those who are joining us live. That is

0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:18.920
<v Speaker 1>all the time that we have for the Heat Check.

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<v Speaker 1>Will be back Wednesday with a new episode previewing game.

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<v Speaker 2>No is It Safe?

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Sae unodos trace quatro sinco sacee seven.

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<v Speaker 3>You're already ready for Game seven?

0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Uh and follow us on Heat Check as we go

0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:36.920
<v Speaker 1>down the stretch, are you going to Summer League by

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the way.

0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:39.880
<v Speaker 3>To be determined at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well you I see, I am, I'm gonna be.

0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:44.239
<v Speaker 3>There the oh, well, then I'm there, then I'm there,

0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:46.759
<v Speaker 3>then then I'm there. I'm there in the entire I

0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:47.680
<v Speaker 3>just made my decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Then do not forget to download subscribe. Also, John, tell

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<v Speaker 1>them where they can find you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, eight at JD John Dickinson on on Twitter and

0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:01.480
<v Speaker 3>same thing on Instagram, and you know the Odyssey app

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:04.000
<v Speaker 3>for all the the pre and post game shows as

0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:06.440
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0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:09.360
<v Speaker 3>well a lot of our videos and audio files and

0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:11.880
<v Speaker 3>links to everything or there. So yeah, that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the best dudes in the fucking business. One

0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 1>of the best dudes in the business.

0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Follow us. We will see you soon, John.

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I wish I was not here, but you know what,

0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I got other shows and other bills and people to pay.

0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:28.440
<v Speaker 3>So Boston's not that far from where you're at. I

0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:31.080
<v Speaker 3>mean I am, I am going to be in Boston tomorrow.

0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:33.880
<v Speaker 2>So we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Love you, John,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys. We'll see you guys next time.