WEBVTT - Behind the Scenes Minis: Bad Laws, Bad Cats 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:04.240 Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class a production 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:12.639 of iHeartRadio Happy Friday. 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:13.319 I'm Tracy V. 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.799 Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. We returned to the world 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:22.840 of Supreme Court cases again. I try to space out 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:27.120 the Supreme Court cases. But as soon as the random 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:31.680 algorithm showed me this clip. It was an audio clip 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.120 with you know, a picture in the background of sodam 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.559 Oor and Sour having this conversation about Thinned, I was like, oh, yeah, 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.159 I want to talk about Thinn right now, because a 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.080 lot of people had seen that clip, and I was 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.559 not sure how many people had any idea what was 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.560 being discussed in terms of Thinn right. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:54.400 So yeah. 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:56.560 Also, I know the last time we had a Supreme 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:58.840 Court episode, I said I was going to do one 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.600 on Elk versus Wilkins, and I. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:02.560 Haven't done that yet. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.959 How dare how dare I still might at some time. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:08.959 The first time I ever heard about this case was 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:14.319 back in twenty seventeen on a series from the podcast 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.440 Seen on Radio, and it was there Seeing White series, 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:21.520 which was on the sort of development of whiteness as 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:26.160 a concept and the impact that concept has on life 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.319 in the US today. And I had since that time 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.399 almost a decade now, would periodically return to the idea 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.399 of talking about this case in the show and then 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.120 never made it up until now. I re listened to 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.080 that one episode of Seeing White just because I was like, 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.520 I want to refresh my memory on what exactly they 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.360 said that made me think, Hi, maybe my show should 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:56.320 talk about this eventually. And Bagat Singh Thin's son was 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:01.920 interviewed on that and you apparently like this was not 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.000 something that his father ever really talked about. He knew 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.680 his father as a spiritual teacher. He really didn't know 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.600 anything about this at all. And when they got into 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:15.519 the the kind of ways that Thinned and other people 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.160 from India would talk about their own race and talk 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.920 about race in general while making the argument that they 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.640 were white so that they could become citizens. There was 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.079 just there was a lot of racism involved in those conversations, right, 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.000 And he was like, that is not that does not 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.799 sound like my father to me. He did not think 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.360 of his father as someone to make those kinds of arguments. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.600 And there are a number of other podcasts besides ours 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.800 that have spent sort of more time looking at that 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.440 part of it. On the sort of the interconnection between 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:52.760 different groups of people trying to move to become citizens 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.920 of live in the United States and the intersections of 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:01.920 these different types of racism involved with that. Well. And 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.600 there are also things that happened that we talked about 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:09.239 in this episode, right where like, within the legal framework 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.280 that exists, you kind of have to go down a 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.639 path that has racist tones to it and basically be right, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.480 I'm not black, you know what I mean, Like, there's 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:25.960 inherently a racist element to that, but it's the only 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:31.840 path available to somebody, right, which stinks. And it kind 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.240 of gets to that bigger picture that always comes up 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.760 when people are talking about issues of control and race 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:45.400 and marginalized or perceived lower class citizens, that like part 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.480 of the maintenance of power is turning people that don't 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.040 have power against one another. And this is the kind 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.440 of an elegant way that they managed to do it, 0:03:54.920 --> 0:04:00.560 which is it's just troubling and heartaching. Yeah, there's no way, 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.600 there's no other path to walk, which stakes. Yeah, we 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:10.160 didn't use the word socially constructed in this episode anywhere, 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:15.800 but this case is sort of an example of how 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:20.039 the idea of race is socially constructed, not something that's 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:25.919 biologically immutable. And while the Court was not sort of 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:30.080 making an argument about the social construction of racial categories, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.120 but that's basically what, you know, what the court was 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.520 saying when the verdict was, well, he's not white, and 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.560 a common person knows that. That was sort of the 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.719 what it boiled down to. Also the fact that this 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:49.359 was part of a pattern of whether the US government 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.480 has viewed different people as white, and how a lot 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.000 of time that has had to do with like whatever 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.920 was most expedient with what the government. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:58.640 Wanted in that moment. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.760 And also the fact that the Supreme Court put out 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:07.360 two different decisions in different like in a couple of 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.960 months of each other, that were so contradictory, one of 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:14.359 them being like no, no, no, no, only Caucasians can be citizens, 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:16.719 and then a couple months later, no, no, no, no, no, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.960 not that I've got that kind of Caucasian. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:21.240 Actually, I. 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.200 Read some one of the articles that I read for 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.000 all of this characterized it as judicial whack a mole. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.080 It was like if there had been another case that 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.400 had come before the Court where someone had made a 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.080 different argument and that was not somebody the Court thought 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:37.800 should be a citizen. Then they would have come up 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.000 with some other reason to like knock out that one 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:41.920 part of the definition. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:43.160 Yeah. 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.919 One of the things that came up in research that 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.760 we didn't mention is that Charles Sumner, who we spent 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:55.240 three entire episodes when they were debating the new naturalization 0:05:55.400 --> 0:06:00.200 law that extended the rights of naturalization to African and 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.960 people of African descent, Charles Sumner was trying to get 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:10.600 the law to just drop racial categories altogether, right, And people. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.279 Were like, na, man, you don't you are You're not 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:15.200 in your right mind. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.760 They can we can just drop racial categories altogether. Those 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:29.760 are important, yeah, to somebody. There's also a biography of 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:35.760 Bogot Syncthned. It is called Doctor g The Life, Teachings 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:41.640 and Legacy of Doctor Boggat Synthn. I did read the 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.839 portion of it that is about his biography, because it's 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.560 more focused on the teachings, right. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.680 I did read that. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:54.040 Doing research on the show, and ultimately only used it 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:59.279 to confirm things like dates and places, because it does 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:05.200 not read life like an impartial or probing account of 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.600 someone's life. It is a lot more like a hagiography. 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.000 It's very laudatory and how it talks about him. I 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.240 think it was commissioned by his son, so that's not 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.280 fully surprising. But if anyone went looking for more information 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.440 and found that book, just wanted to put that out there. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.640 Yeah once again. In some ways humans move so far, 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.840 they evolve and change and learn and grow. In another 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:39.280 it's the same thing again. Oh yeah, yeah, an unpleasant noise. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:43.840 I just made sorry, kind of a growl and a sigh. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.920 Okay, I don't know. Wow. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.960 I know what episode is coming next after this one, 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.360 and it will not have quite the number of heavy 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:57.560 themes that this one. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:58.880 Dead huzzah. 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:14.360 Yeah, we talked about the Carrington events this week. After 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.760 looking at the globe and where the places we are going, 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.760 I didn't actually look at the globe. I looked at 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.280 at Google Maps, and then I was like, I still 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:24.920 don't know what I'm looking at, and so I just 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:29.880 started individually googling the like latitude and longitude of the 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.439 places that we're going, and then I googled like Aurora 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.840 chances at the places that were going, and then I 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.320 felt a little silly. I was like, oh, these places 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:43.120 are not actually that much farther north than we are 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.120 but then I, you know, I reminded myself at the 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.480 time that you saw the aurora at Tracy, you were 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.920 at Helk, So yeah, I've only I've only really seen 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.080 it once I was in Iceland. It was not our 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.280 Iceland trip where we went aurora hunting. I was the 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.640 cree Is time in May, which is not normally the 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.200 time you would see them. Yeah, that was just a 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.280 freakish good bit of luck that they were like, oh, 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.640 the aurora's out. So when we went to Iceland for 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.640 our honeymoon, it was very end of April beginning of May, 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.760 and it was out while we were there, but we 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.560 were in a place that was overcast when it happened. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.320 And the next night we were staying at a different 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:28.000 place and they had this list at the front desk 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.800 that was put your name on the list than if 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:30.760 the aurora comes. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:31.520 Out, we will call you. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.040 And I was like, oh, I'm going to put our 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:35.719 names on this list, even though I know it's not 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:40.000 very likely. And the person at the front desk was like, actually, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.880 they were out last night and they were really bright. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.560 And when people found out, they were angry that we 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.720 didn't have the list out and we didn't have the 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.200 list out because like it's not the season anymore, Like 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.960 we had reached the point of the year where it 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:57.400 is not fully dark in Iceland anymore. Yeah, the darkest 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.520 it is is twilight. Yeah, at that point we missed it. 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:04.760 But there was one time that it was pretty bright 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.680 in a lot of Massachusetts and I could see it 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.640 a little bit with the unaided eye. At my house, 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.520 I could see it through my phone camera exceptionally well. 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.680 And when we went back to Iceland on the trip 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.319 that we took for the show where we actually had 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:28.240 an aurora chasing scheduled, Patrick and I arrived a day 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.640 early to try to get a little acclimated, and we 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.040 were walking around Reykiavic at night trying to see if 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.000 we could see the aurora, and it really did not 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.880 look like we could, And it also did not look 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.880 like we could through the phone screen. And it wasn't 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.800 until I looked more closely at the pictures. I think 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.960 even after we were home that I was like, oh, wait, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:55.440 this is Aura. There's a little something something well something 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.400 happening there that I could not see it all and 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.400 could not see on the phone screen. I would see 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.320 looking at the picture on the computer. So anyway, very 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.640 much would be excited if I if we saw the 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.720 aurora on the trip, but if we don't, it's fine. Yeah, 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:17.760 it's just a good fortune thing. There is some speculation 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:24.120 that Frederick Edwin Church's painting of the Aurora borealis, which 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.440 is the painting that we have used for the little 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.040 artwork for the show on our Netflix, that that was 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.600 inspired by this. He was in Newfoundland and Labrador that 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.480 summer when it happened, and then he painted this in 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.160 eighteen sixty five. And I didn't have a good place 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.120 in the episode itself to mention that. Just blurted out 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.000 like I did that. I went to Galileos too, just 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.640 blurt it out. I do blurt some things out that, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.760 like an aurora was a surprise to me. So yeah, 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:56.679 if you're in Santa Croce, which is a basilica in Florence, 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.480 we went because we were on our art pilgrimage and 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.240 that is where Michelangelo is also buried. Yeah, and we 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:05.960 were there, but then we were walking along and I 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:10.120 was like, is that Galilea. It's literally right there in 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.000 the same right there, huge, huge, like you know, big 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.800 monument and whatnot, as well as Machiavelli. It's a it's 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.520 quite a gallery of people assembled there for their final 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:28.960 resting place. Yeah, that's sort of like the Pantheon Parthenon. Pantheon, 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.400 Pantheon Pan Parthenon. Which one is it. I'm gonna say 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.679 the two words over and over, the one where all 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:36.760 the French people are. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.520 Entombed that Dale. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.839 Yeah, so you could say it the French way and 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.120 it will sound. I know that those are two different 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.560 things and they are very dissimilar from one another, but. 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:51.560 The time too. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:59.160 Stupid, No, do not, do not, do not. I also 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.040 love that we had a show out to Goddard Space 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.760 Flight in this episode. Yeah, because I love them and 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.000 have been lucky enough to go visit them. Yeah, way 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.440 back when we were still house Stuff Works and we're 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:15.679 doing video content separate from this show, we did a 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.680 bunch of space stuff there at one and it was 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.120 amazing And I love that entire team, so I'm glad 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.000 they got a little shout out here. Is that the 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:29.079 trip where you stayed at a place that I would 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:35.280 call an affordable motel experience and someone who was with 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:42.240 you was unhappy, Yes, I don't know if they were 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.560 unhappy about that. Okay, they were unhappy about a variety 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.200 of things. Uh huh, that is all but the nice 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.760 thing and it wasn't it was. It's a hotel, but 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.480 it's definitely not like a fancy pants unicorn hotel. And 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.080 it's just the place that there is convenient to the yes, 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.200 and there's not a lot near there. But what we 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.439 kind of lucked out with is that that was also 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.199 the same place that all the people from god Aard 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:12.080 do their monthly social hour. Okay, it happened on the 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.040 night we were staying there, so we got to hang 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:18.200 out then. Listen, one of my proudest moments in my 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.440 life is that I taught a bunch of engineers and 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.520 scientists that if you salt your napkin before you put 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.240 your cocktail down, it won't stick to your drink. And 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:32.320 they were astounded by this. I love it, and I like, 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.280 you are so smart about all the things, but I 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:36.800 can't teach you drinking tricks. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:38.280 And that's all I had off. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.480 Yeah, but what an incredible group, And I know it's 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.880 been a little stressful for them in recent years, so yeah, 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.600 I hope they are all keeping their morale up as 0:14:48.640 --> 0:15:02.320 best they can. Yeah, if people are curious. The video 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.320 game I was playing that suddenly reference to the Carrington 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.200 event was The Long Dark, a game that I have 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.040 played a lot over the last more than a decade, 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.000 And in hindsight, that made total sense because one of 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.600 the things that was introduced as part of that game 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:24.880 was Aurora that cause electrical devices to work when they 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:29.160 do not work in other circumstances. So like radios that 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.800 are in houses, you can turn the radio on and 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.600 music will play when there's no power in any other circumstance. 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.200 In the new I knew it's a few years old 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.960 at this point, a DLC there is a radio that 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.120 is powered by the aura that you can talk to 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.920 a trader and trade things with. 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.200 And then the aura is beautiful, and. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.800 Then it also has effects that are a little different 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.200 from reality. They make animals behave differently and be much 0:15:55.400 --> 0:16:01.160 more likely to kill you. And then yeah, there had 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.640 been speculation for a long time that the Carrington event 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.480 was going to have some kind of relation to the 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:11.160 game Oh right, with its story mode, the last chapter 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.240 of which just dropped, which was a controversial finale. 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.000 The story mode of the game. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:23.880 And as is the case with so many fandoms that 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.800 I have witnessed over my life. The response to it 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:32.960 was disproportionate. Yeah, yeah, anything. 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:34.440 One. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.720 I'm slightly envious. I feel like I used to play 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.280 video games at a rabid rate, and I can't do 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.720 that anymore. I have to stare the time and be like, 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.480 these two hours, I'm going to play this game because 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.560 I just have a mom, a busy bee, you have 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.160 my hands and loves guys. However, the mention of animals 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:57.240 behaving badly brings us to the confession that I mentioned 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.640 I would make if you are interested in hearing about 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:04.520 my cat. Yeah, okay, So, as everyone knows, we adopted 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.280 three new cats last year. One of them, Jessie, is 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.600 like kind of like I always joked that she's me 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:14.280 as a cat, right. She's kooky, her noises are hilarious. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.639 She always sounds mad even when she's happy. But I 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:19.880 love her desperately, And she's also a big, beautiful woman. 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.000 She's tipping close to seventeen pounds and she's also a 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.560 large cat. So one of my best friends, who I 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.119 also love, who is like a sibling to me, watches 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.200 our cats when we travel, and she has mentioned a 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.200 couple times you know, I sometimes I'm a little afraid 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.920 of Jessie, and I'm like, uh huh. She's all talk. 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.480 She's a big cuddler, Like even when she's unhappy, she 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:45.040 never lashes out at all. She's like super you know, 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.119 she's like, I don't like this, but she won't do 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:51.560 anything wrong. And then I got sent a video of 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:57.040 Jeszi while we were away, and I was mortified because 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.000 I was suddenly that parent. You know, we've all known 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.879 that parent whose kid is a little bit of a 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.359 terror and genuinely mean, and they're like, not my baby, 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:10.200 not my precious baby. Yeah, my precious angel baby. JESSI, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:15.040 who I love desperately, was not just yelling at our 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:19.320 poor cat center. She was hissing, swatting, and lunging at 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.720 her with bared teeth, and I was like, oh, what 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.760 the heck is going on here? And we have done 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.480 some testing since then, Uh huh. She just does not 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.840 like that person, which, like you know how people are 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.720 like trust the instincts of animals, not this time. Yeah, 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.920 every this is a person that stray dogs will run 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.520 to for help, Like she is a cat whisperer. She 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.959 is one of the kindest souls i've ever met. We 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.920 had another friend of mine visiting right before I left 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.560 for Italy. We went to Italy together and she flew 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.840 here first, and so I was like, great, we can 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:58.639 do an actual like control group situation test. Here's another 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.600 person this cat is not even though our friend watched 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.600 the cats is at our house a lot, she knows 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.480 all of our animals. But I'm like, here's the person 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.199 this cat isn't familiar with. She's met her before, but 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.159 she's not here all the time, well cuddly as the 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:16.040 day is long with her. And then our other friend 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.800 walked in the room and the cat was like, oh, no, 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.879 fied at my terrible child. Yeah, that is my confession. 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.880 I have never I don't know what's going on with her. 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.480 I don't know jealousy, jam, I don't know what's up. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.320 Yeah. 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.040 This reminds me a bit of how I used to 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:41.159 have a cat named Anastasia many years ago. You're scaredy baby, Well, no, 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:45.399 Anastasia was. Anastasia was good. Cestina was scared of things. No, 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:47.600 villain L was the most scared of thing. Yes, I 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.479 was singing a villain L because I had watched your 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.320 cats a few times. Yeah, villain l hid from everyone 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:58.199 all the time, but Anastasia, so for a long time 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.480 I had taken them to a cat only VET. And 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:07.159 then I moved to Atlanta and asked some friends for 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.840 vet recommendations. I was given a vet recommendation. I went 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.880 to this vet one time. I think because I got 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:19.880 there and I was like, I don't feel like this office. 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:21.160 This office does not. 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.879 Feel well maintained to me, and that makes me question 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.959 other things. But then they were gonna get exams at 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.800 shots and all of that, and the vet tech who 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:37.159 was helping put on like the big gauntlets to handle 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.199 my cat, and there had been no real indication for 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:44.280 me ever that like any of the cats needed gauntlets 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:48.680 to be examined, right, And I think the fact that 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.000 they were in a place that they could smell dogs, 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.480 which was not usual for them, and then was being 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.480 handled with these gauntlets by someone who clearly thought there 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.760 was a need for gauntlets. Anastasia lost it and I 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.600 was like, bab I have never seen her behave like 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:09.840 this in my life, very and like at that point, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:13.040 she was a fully adult cat and had plenty of 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.159 VET experiences under her belt and had never behaved like that, 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.760 and I was like, this is not right. Not the 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.680 vet for me. We did have a cat that needed 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.280 the gloves. And you know who I'm talking about, I 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:29.800 absolutely do. Mister Burns, the scourge of veterinary science. Yeah, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.600 the chillest cat I've ever met at home. But man, yeah, 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:34.760 he hated the vets office. 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:37.080 Yeah. He was so bad. 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:40.159 He was so bad. He drew so much blood. 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.200 Oh goodness, he told me put the many stores. 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.600 I'm sure I've shown you the picture of the space 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.000 helmet they had to put on him to keep him 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.119 from biting people. Yeah, which, if you've ever had a 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.000 cat that has to wear the space helmet at the VET, 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.800 it's quite entertaining but also bad. And he looks so mad. 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:57.920 Yeah, and my. 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.280 Beautiful, amazing vet is just looking at him with such 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.840 a loving expression while he's like, I will kill you 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:13.040 the worst, Oh much beloved. Oh cats in astronomy together, 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:14.440 A cat's an astronomy. 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:15.880 Yeah. 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:18.320 I think our previous episode this week, I talked about 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:20.600 how I do know lawyers, that I could have asked 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:27.080 technical questions about law I also could have asked an astrophysicist. Yeah, 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.359 but I did not ask any astrophysicists questions about the 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:36.240 Carrington event. So hopefully we did not upset any astrophysicists 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:40.000 with our lay persons explanation of things. In my experience, 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:41.080 they're a pretty chill group. 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:42.119 I agree. 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:48.320 I agree. So whatever's happening on your weekend. If you 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.200 love cats, I hope there are cats. If you want 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.200 to see the Aurora, I hope it shows up. If 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.200 you just want to chill out and play some video 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.840 games or read a book or do some other quiet 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:01.960 side thing, I hope that happens. 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:03.040 And I hope. 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:04.760 Everyone is great to you. And if you're working, I 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:08.639 hope everyone is great to you at work. We will 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.919 have a brand new episode on Monday. We'll be back 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:19.640 tomorrow with a Saturday classic. Stuff you Missed in History 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:24.040 Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.760 visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.680 to your favorite shows.