1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio Happy Friday. 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 2: I'm Tracy V. 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. We returned to the world 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: of Supreme Court cases again. I try to space out 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court cases. But as soon as the random 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: algorithm showed me this clip. It was an audio clip 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: with you know, a picture in the background of sodam 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: Oor and Sour having this conversation about Thinned, I was like, oh, yeah, 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: I want to talk about Thinn right now, because a 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: lot of people had seen that clip, and I was 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: not sure how many people had any idea what was 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: being discussed in terms of Thinn right. 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: So yeah. 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: Also, I know the last time we had a Supreme 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: Court episode, I said I was going to do one 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: on Elk versus Wilkins, and I. 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: Haven't done that yet. 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: How dare how dare I still might at some time. 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: The first time I ever heard about this case was 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: back in twenty seventeen on a series from the podcast 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: Seen on Radio, and it was there Seeing White series, 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: which was on the sort of development of whiteness as 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: a concept and the impact that concept has on life 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: in the US today. And I had since that time 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: almost a decade now, would periodically return to the idea 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: of talking about this case in the show and then 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: never made it up until now. I re listened to 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: that one episode of Seeing White just because I was like, 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: I want to refresh my memory on what exactly they 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: said that made me think, Hi, maybe my show should 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: talk about this eventually. And Bagat Singh Thin's son was 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: interviewed on that and you apparently like this was not 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: something that his father ever really talked about. He knew 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: his father as a spiritual teacher. He really didn't know 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: anything about this at all. And when they got into 37 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: the the kind of ways that Thinned and other people 38 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: from India would talk about their own race and talk 39 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: about race in general while making the argument that they 40 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: were white so that they could become citizens. There was 41 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: just there was a lot of racism involved in those conversations, right, 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: And he was like, that is not that does not 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: sound like my father to me. He did not think 44 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: of his father as someone to make those kinds of arguments. 45 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: And there are a number of other podcasts besides ours 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: that have spent sort of more time looking at that 47 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: part of it. On the sort of the interconnection between 48 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: different groups of people trying to move to become citizens 49 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: of live in the United States and the intersections of 50 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: these different types of racism involved with that. Well. And 51 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: there are also things that happened that we talked about 52 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: in this episode, right where like, within the legal framework 53 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: that exists, you kind of have to go down a 54 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: path that has racist tones to it and basically be right, 55 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm not black, you know what I mean, Like, there's 56 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: inherently a racist element to that, but it's the only 57 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: path available to somebody, right, which stinks. And it kind 58 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: of gets to that bigger picture that always comes up 59 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: when people are talking about issues of control and race 60 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: and marginalized or perceived lower class citizens, that like part 61 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: of the maintenance of power is turning people that don't 62 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: have power against one another. And this is the kind 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: of an elegant way that they managed to do it, 64 00:03:54,920 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: which is it's just troubling and heartaching. Yeah, there's no way, 65 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: there's no other path to walk, which stakes. Yeah, we 66 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: didn't use the word socially constructed in this episode anywhere, 67 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: but this case is sort of an example of how 68 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: the idea of race is socially constructed, not something that's 69 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: biologically immutable. And while the Court was not sort of 70 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: making an argument about the social construction of racial categories, 71 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: but that's basically what, you know, what the court was 72 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: saying when the verdict was, well, he's not white, and 73 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: a common person knows that. That was sort of the 74 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: what it boiled down to. Also the fact that this 75 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: was part of a pattern of whether the US government 76 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: has viewed different people as white, and how a lot 77 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: of time that has had to do with like whatever 78 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: was most expedient with what the government. 79 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: Wanted in that moment. 80 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: And also the fact that the Supreme Court put out 81 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: two different decisions in different like in a couple of 82 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: months of each other, that were so contradictory, one of 83 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: them being like no, no, no, no, only Caucasians can be citizens, 84 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: and then a couple months later, no, no, no, no, no, 85 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: not that I've got that kind of Caucasian. 86 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: Actually, I. 87 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: Read some one of the articles that I read for 88 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: all of this characterized it as judicial whack a mole. 89 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: It was like if there had been another case that 90 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: had come before the Court where someone had made a 91 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: different argument and that was not somebody the Court thought 92 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: should be a citizen. Then they would have come up 93 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: with some other reason to like knock out that one 94 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: part of the definition. 95 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 96 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: One of the things that came up in research that 97 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: we didn't mention is that Charles Sumner, who we spent 98 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: three entire episodes when they were debating the new naturalization 99 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: law that extended the rights of naturalization to African and 100 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: people of African descent, Charles Sumner was trying to get 101 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: the law to just drop racial categories altogether, right, And people. 102 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: Were like, na, man, you don't you are You're not 103 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: in your right mind. 104 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: They can we can just drop racial categories altogether. Those 105 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: are important, yeah, to somebody. There's also a biography of 106 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: Bogot Syncthned. It is called Doctor g The Life, Teachings 107 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: and Legacy of Doctor Boggat Synthn. I did read the 108 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: portion of it that is about his biography, because it's 109 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: more focused on the teachings, right. 110 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: I did read that. 111 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: Doing research on the show, and ultimately only used it 112 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: to confirm things like dates and places, because it does 113 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: not read life like an impartial or probing account of 114 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: someone's life. It is a lot more like a hagiography. 115 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: It's very laudatory and how it talks about him. I 116 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: think it was commissioned by his son, so that's not 117 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: fully surprising. But if anyone went looking for more information 118 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: and found that book, just wanted to put that out there. 119 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah once again. In some ways humans move so far, 120 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: they evolve and change and learn and grow. In another 121 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: it's the same thing again. Oh yeah, yeah, an unpleasant noise. 122 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: I just made sorry, kind of a growl and a sigh. 123 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. Wow. 124 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: I know what episode is coming next after this one, 125 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: and it will not have quite the number of heavy 126 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: themes that this one. 127 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: Dead huzzah. 128 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about the Carrington events this week. After 129 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: looking at the globe and where the places we are going, 130 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: I didn't actually look at the globe. I looked at 131 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: at Google Maps, and then I was like, I still 132 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm looking at, and so I just 133 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: started individually googling the like latitude and longitude of the 134 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: places that we're going, and then I googled like Aurora 135 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: chances at the places that were going, and then I 136 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: felt a little silly. I was like, oh, these places 137 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: are not actually that much farther north than we are 138 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: but then I, you know, I reminded myself at the 139 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: time that you saw the aurora at Tracy, you were 140 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: at Helk, So yeah, I've only I've only really seen 141 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: it once I was in Iceland. It was not our 142 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: Iceland trip where we went aurora hunting. I was the 143 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: cree Is time in May, which is not normally the 144 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: time you would see them. Yeah, that was just a 145 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: freakish good bit of luck that they were like, oh, 146 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: the aurora's out. So when we went to Iceland for 147 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: our honeymoon, it was very end of April beginning of May, 148 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: and it was out while we were there, but we 149 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: were in a place that was overcast when it happened. 150 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: And the next night we were staying at a different 151 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: place and they had this list at the front desk 152 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: that was put your name on the list than if 153 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: the aurora comes. 154 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: Out, we will call you. 155 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I'm going to put our 156 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: names on this list, even though I know it's not 157 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: very likely. And the person at the front desk was like, actually, 158 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: they were out last night and they were really bright. 159 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: And when people found out, they were angry that we 160 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: didn't have the list out and we didn't have the 161 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: list out because like it's not the season anymore, Like 162 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: we had reached the point of the year where it 163 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: is not fully dark in Iceland anymore. Yeah, the darkest 164 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: it is is twilight. Yeah, at that point we missed it. 165 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: But there was one time that it was pretty bright 166 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: in a lot of Massachusetts and I could see it 167 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: a little bit with the unaided eye. At my house, 168 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: I could see it through my phone camera exceptionally well. 169 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: And when we went back to Iceland on the trip 170 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: that we took for the show where we actually had 171 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: an aurora chasing scheduled, Patrick and I arrived a day 172 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: early to try to get a little acclimated, and we 173 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: were walking around Reykiavic at night trying to see if 174 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: we could see the aurora, and it really did not 175 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: look like we could, And it also did not look 176 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: like we could through the phone screen. And it wasn't 177 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: until I looked more closely at the pictures. I think 178 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: even after we were home that I was like, oh, wait, 179 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: this is Aura. There's a little something something well something 180 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: happening there that I could not see it all and 181 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: could not see on the phone screen. I would see 182 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: looking at the picture on the computer. So anyway, very 183 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: much would be excited if I if we saw the 184 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: aurora on the trip, but if we don't, it's fine. Yeah, 185 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: it's just a good fortune thing. There is some speculation 186 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: that Frederick Edwin Church's painting of the Aurora borealis, which 187 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: is the painting that we have used for the little 188 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: artwork for the show on our Netflix, that that was 189 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: inspired by this. He was in Newfoundland and Labrador that 190 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: summer when it happened, and then he painted this in 191 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five. And I didn't have a good place 192 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: in the episode itself to mention that. Just blurted out 193 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: like I did that. I went to Galileos too, just 194 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: blurt it out. I do blurt some things out that, 195 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: like an aurora was a surprise to me. So yeah, 196 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: if you're in Santa Croce, which is a basilica in Florence, 197 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: we went because we were on our art pilgrimage and 198 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: that is where Michelangelo is also buried. Yeah, and we 199 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: were there, but then we were walking along and I 200 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: was like, is that Galilea. It's literally right there in 201 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: the same right there, huge, huge, like you know, big 202 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: monument and whatnot, as well as Machiavelli. It's a it's 203 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: quite a gallery of people assembled there for their final 204 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: resting place. Yeah, that's sort of like the Pantheon Parthenon. Pantheon, 205 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: Pantheon Pan Parthenon. Which one is it. I'm gonna say 206 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: the two words over and over, the one where all 207 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: the French people are. 208 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: Entombed that Dale. 209 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could say it the French way and 210 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: it will sound. I know that those are two different 211 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: things and they are very dissimilar from one another, but. 212 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: The time too. 213 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: Stupid, No, do not, do not, do not. I also 214 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: love that we had a show out to Goddard Space 215 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: Flight in this episode. Yeah, because I love them and 216 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: have been lucky enough to go visit them. Yeah, way 217 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: back when we were still house Stuff Works and we're 218 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: doing video content separate from this show, we did a 219 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: bunch of space stuff there at one and it was 220 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: amazing And I love that entire team, so I'm glad 221 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: they got a little shout out here. Is that the 222 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: trip where you stayed at a place that I would 223 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: call an affordable motel experience and someone who was with 224 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: you was unhappy, Yes, I don't know if they were 225 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: unhappy about that. Okay, they were unhappy about a variety 226 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: of things. Uh huh, that is all but the nice 227 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: thing and it wasn't it was. It's a hotel, but 228 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: it's definitely not like a fancy pants unicorn hotel. And 229 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: it's just the place that there is convenient to the yes, 230 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: and there's not a lot near there. But what we 231 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: kind of lucked out with is that that was also 232 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: the same place that all the people from god Aard 233 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: do their monthly social hour. Okay, it happened on the 234 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: night we were staying there, so we got to hang 235 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: out then. Listen, one of my proudest moments in my 236 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: life is that I taught a bunch of engineers and 237 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: scientists that if you salt your napkin before you put 238 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: your cocktail down, it won't stick to your drink. And 239 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: they were astounded by this. I love it, and I like, 240 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: you are so smart about all the things, but I 241 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: can't teach you drinking tricks. 242 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: And that's all I had off. 243 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but what an incredible group, And I know it's 244 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: been a little stressful for them in recent years, so yeah, 245 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: I hope they are all keeping their morale up as 246 00:14:48,640 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: best they can. Yeah, if people are curious. The video 247 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: game I was playing that suddenly reference to the Carrington 248 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: event was The Long Dark, a game that I have 249 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: played a lot over the last more than a decade, 250 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: And in hindsight, that made total sense because one of 251 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: the things that was introduced as part of that game 252 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: was Aurora that cause electrical devices to work when they 253 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: do not work in other circumstances. So like radios that 254 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: are in houses, you can turn the radio on and 255 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: music will play when there's no power in any other circumstance. 256 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: In the new I knew it's a few years old 257 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: at this point, a DLC there is a radio that 258 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: is powered by the aura that you can talk to 259 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: a trader and trade things with. 260 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: And then the aura is beautiful, and. 261 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: Then it also has effects that are a little different 262 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: from reality. They make animals behave differently and be much 263 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: more likely to kill you. And then yeah, there had 264 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: been speculation for a long time that the Carrington event 265 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: was going to have some kind of relation to the 266 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: game Oh right, with its story mode, the last chapter 267 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: of which just dropped, which was a controversial finale. 268 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: The story mode of the game. 269 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: And as is the case with so many fandoms that 270 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: I have witnessed over my life. The response to it 271 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: was disproportionate. Yeah, yeah, anything. 272 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: One. 273 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm slightly envious. I feel like I used to play 274 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: video games at a rabid rate, and I can't do 275 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: that anymore. I have to stare the time and be like, 276 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: these two hours, I'm going to play this game because 277 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: I just have a mom, a busy bee, you have 278 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: my hands and loves guys. However, the mention of animals 279 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: behaving badly brings us to the confession that I mentioned 280 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: I would make if you are interested in hearing about 281 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: my cat. Yeah, okay, So, as everyone knows, we adopted 282 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: three new cats last year. One of them, Jessie, is 283 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: like kind of like I always joked that she's me 284 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: as a cat, right. She's kooky, her noises are hilarious. 285 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: She always sounds mad even when she's happy. But I 286 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: love her desperately, And she's also a big, beautiful woman. 287 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: She's tipping close to seventeen pounds and she's also a 288 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: large cat. So one of my best friends, who I 289 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: also love, who is like a sibling to me, watches 290 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: our cats when we travel, and she has mentioned a 291 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: couple times you know, I sometimes I'm a little afraid 292 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: of Jessie, and I'm like, uh huh. She's all talk. 293 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: She's a big cuddler, Like even when she's unhappy, she 294 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: never lashes out at all. She's like super you know, 295 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: she's like, I don't like this, but she won't do 296 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: anything wrong. And then I got sent a video of 297 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: Jeszi while we were away, and I was mortified because 298 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: I was suddenly that parent. You know, we've all known 299 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: that parent whose kid is a little bit of a 300 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: terror and genuinely mean, and they're like, not my baby, 301 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: not my precious baby. Yeah, my precious angel baby. JESSI, 302 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: who I love desperately, was not just yelling at our 303 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: poor cat center. She was hissing, swatting, and lunging at 304 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: her with bared teeth, and I was like, oh, what 305 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: the heck is going on here? And we have done 306 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: some testing since then, Uh huh. She just does not 307 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: like that person, which, like you know how people are 308 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: like trust the instincts of animals, not this time. Yeah, 309 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: every this is a person that stray dogs will run 310 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: to for help, Like she is a cat whisperer. She 311 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 1: is one of the kindest souls i've ever met. We 312 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: had another friend of mine visiting right before I left 313 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: for Italy. We went to Italy together and she flew 314 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: here first, and so I was like, great, we can 315 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: do an actual like control group situation test. Here's another 316 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: person this cat is not even though our friend watched 317 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: the cats is at our house a lot, she knows 318 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: all of our animals. But I'm like, here's the person 319 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: this cat isn't familiar with. She's met her before, but 320 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: she's not here all the time, well cuddly as the 321 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: day is long with her. And then our other friend 322 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: walked in the room and the cat was like, oh, no, 323 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: fied at my terrible child. Yeah, that is my confession. 324 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: I have never I don't know what's going on with her. 325 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't know jealousy, jam, I don't know what's up. 326 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 327 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: This reminds me a bit of how I used to 328 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: have a cat named Anastasia many years ago. You're scaredy baby, Well, no, 329 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: Anastasia was. Anastasia was good. Cestina was scared of things. No, 330 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: villain L was the most scared of thing. Yes, I 331 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 1: was singing a villain L because I had watched your 332 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: cats a few times. Yeah, villain l hid from everyone 333 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: all the time, but Anastasia, so for a long time 334 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: I had taken them to a cat only VET. And 335 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: then I moved to Atlanta and asked some friends for 336 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: vet recommendations. I was given a vet recommendation. I went 337 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: to this vet one time. I think because I got 338 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: there and I was like, I don't feel like this office. 339 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: This office does not. 340 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: Feel well maintained to me, and that makes me question 341 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: other things. But then they were gonna get exams at 342 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: shots and all of that, and the vet tech who 343 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: was helping put on like the big gauntlets to handle 344 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: my cat, and there had been no real indication for 345 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: me ever that like any of the cats needed gauntlets 346 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: to be examined, right, And I think the fact that 347 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: they were in a place that they could smell dogs, 348 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: which was not usual for them, and then was being 349 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: handled with these gauntlets by someone who clearly thought there 350 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: was a need for gauntlets. Anastasia lost it and I 351 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: was like, bab I have never seen her behave like 352 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: this in my life, very and like at that point, 353 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: she was a fully adult cat and had plenty of 354 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: VET experiences under her belt and had never behaved like that, 355 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is not right. Not the 356 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: vet for me. We did have a cat that needed 357 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: the gloves. And you know who I'm talking about, I 358 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: absolutely do. Mister Burns, the scourge of veterinary science. Yeah, 359 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: the chillest cat I've ever met at home. But man, yeah, 360 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: he hated the vets office. 361 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. He was so bad. 362 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: He was so bad. He drew so much blood. 363 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 2: Oh goodness, he told me put the many stores. 364 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure I've shown you the picture of the space 365 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: helmet they had to put on him to keep him 366 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: from biting people. Yeah, which, if you've ever had a 367 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: cat that has to wear the space helmet at the VET, 368 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: it's quite entertaining but also bad. And he looks so mad. 369 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and my. 370 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: Beautiful, amazing vet is just looking at him with such 371 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: a loving expression while he's like, I will kill you 372 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: the worst, Oh much beloved. Oh cats in astronomy together, 373 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: A cat's an astronomy. 374 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 375 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: I think our previous episode this week, I talked about 376 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: how I do know lawyers, that I could have asked 377 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: technical questions about law I also could have asked an astrophysicist. Yeah, 378 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: but I did not ask any astrophysicists questions about the 379 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Carrington event. So hopefully we did not upset any astrophysicists 380 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: with our lay persons explanation of things. In my experience, 381 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: they're a pretty chill group. 382 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: I agree. 383 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: I agree. So whatever's happening on your weekend. If you 384 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: love cats, I hope there are cats. If you want 385 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: to see the Aurora, I hope it shows up. If 386 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: you just want to chill out and play some video 387 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: games or read a book or do some other quiet 388 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: side thing, I hope that happens. 389 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: And I hope. 390 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: Everyone is great to you. 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