Speaker 1: Three year peak, twenty points per game, fourteen rebounds per game,
Speaker 1: two and a half blocks per game, nineteen thousand career
Speaker 1: points and count. Only player ever to win Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year three years in a row, eight time
Speaker 1: All Star, two time block Champ, eight time All n
Speaker 1: B A, five time All Defense, five time rebounding champy
Speaker 1: NBA Champ two thousand four or five rookie, three time
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. But that's not top seventy
Speaker 1: five dollars. That's that's a whole book what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: And then he was one of the people that I
Speaker 1: was talking about that was enough off that list, that
Speaker 1: a top seventy five? What up? World? Should botch that five?
Speaker 1: Another episode of West Burning, my brother Matt Barnes is
Speaker 1: all attended to the boys. Someone playing basketball, doing his
Speaker 1: dad thing as he does. I got my homie, my
Speaker 1: partner in crime, Jamal Crawford, Mr cross over here hosting
Speaker 1: with me today. What's up, Doggie? What's up? My guy?
Speaker 1: We're back area at that time, we're back at it.
Speaker 1: They were back at it. We gotta give him one.
Speaker 1: They're asking for a little what's up, little see you
Speaker 1: wanna ge already here you go, already, let's get here.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it, man, with the status check Warriors
Speaker 1: in Dallas. Man, Warriors are one game away from going
Speaker 1: back to the finals. I had I said they was
Speaker 1: gonna win the SERI Regional stuff. Had another thirdy point game,
Speaker 1: his seventh player thirty point game. Clay came in big
Speaker 1: the second half. You know, Clay still trying to get
Speaker 1: his field, but he had his big shots. Pool Man,
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna get this bag. We said this,
Speaker 1: and I know men Matt said this. I expect Luca
Speaker 1: to come out and have a big game. He's one
Speaker 1: of the best players in the league. But he has
Speaker 1: no supporting cast. And for me, some of the guys
Speaker 1: that should be playing on the sideline saying they hurt,
Speaker 1: but they're running up and down the side. I like coaches.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand what's going on over there. Man, Luke.
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of pressure on Luca, but
Speaker 1: there's no way that It's not a second that I
Speaker 1: thought that they were gonna get out of the series. Man,
Speaker 1: because the Warriors have too much experience. Clay, steffan And
Speaker 1: and George Jmonda finally back together what we've been looking
Speaker 1: to see for the last few years with played being out.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it isn't no way that they get
Speaker 1: out this series. But I said Luca was gonna do
Speaker 1: his job, man, But it's just too much over there
Speaker 1: and go to State. Lucas doing his job stack. But
Speaker 1: if you look at it, where's the support coming from.
Speaker 1: We know Bruns is gonna give us some support. We
Speaker 1: know den Wodi's gonna give us some support. I'm looking
Speaker 1: for everybody else because when Golden State one years ago
Speaker 1: with strength and numbers, they made even more deep. Now,
Speaker 1: whenever Andrew Wiggins is your fourth option, you got a
Speaker 1: championship level team. And like you said, I'm watching the
Speaker 1: first two games, I didn't see Clay really in rhythm.
Speaker 1: They were one of those games without playing rhythm. Right.
Speaker 1: He had a good third quarter Game one. But to
Speaker 1: get him in rhythm, get Wiggins playing how he's playing,
Speaker 1: and some things Wiggins is doing right now, picking up
Speaker 1: Luca full court, messing with wearing him down, frustrating the
Speaker 1: first game, Luca was frustrated with his teammates awful little
Speaker 1: things because he was frustrated what was going on the game.
Speaker 1: And it's good to see the Warriors back. A lot
Speaker 1: of people said they wouldn't get back. The league has changed. Uh,
Speaker 1: to see them, they hear those whispers as well. They
Speaker 1: got championship pedigree. And to see where they're going to
Speaker 1: be a game away from the finals. I think the
Speaker 1: league is better when the words are doing will Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I was one of those people earlier on
Speaker 1: in his career. I was real hard on Wiggins. You know,
Speaker 1: I went at him in the media a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But I'm the same person that to killed you and
Speaker 1: gave your props. He being a dog right now, and
Speaker 1: I mean on the defensive bend, he taking the challenge
Speaker 1: and he's being the player that the Warriors needed both
Speaker 1: of the floor, not really worrying about the ball too much,
Speaker 1: but making plays, getting tip dunks and guarding the best player. Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I killed him before, but I'm giving
Speaker 1: him his props. Here a big here, a big reason
Speaker 1: why they winning right now. But Jamal, when the last
Speaker 1: time you went over ten from the three point line? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I went over ten. If I went
Speaker 1: over ten, I'm going three for thirteen. I'm shooting the
Speaker 1: next three ain't gonna stop me. I ain't losing confidence.
Speaker 1: I'm getting closer, getting hot. But hey, what you said
Speaker 1: with Wiggins was a huge point. And what you said
Speaker 1: you didn't kill him. You as being real. You saw
Speaker 1: he had a potential, You saw he had talent, and
Speaker 1: you wanted to harness that and come out. He needed
Speaker 1: to go to State just as much as Good Stay
Speaker 1: needed him, and they need each other. And Wiggins getting
Speaker 1: to a point where everybody saw the talent he needed
Speaker 1: to see Steph and Clay in the preparation and being
Speaker 1: that championship DNA and see what that felt like. C Dramond,
Speaker 1: see how they work every single day. Even a guy
Speaker 1: like Iago Dollar, he's not playing right now, championship pedigree,
Speaker 1: he knows what it takes. Wiggins needed that and for
Speaker 1: them to meet each other right now at that it
Speaker 1: was the perfect time. He's bawling, he's doing well and
Speaker 1: we gotta tip our hats to him. It was good
Speaker 1: to see a lot of those things at the game.
Speaker 1: We also see Mark Cuban and Uh and Wayne makeup.
Speaker 1: But I just don't think Uh Dallas has enough. Man,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard all three, which you think what
Speaker 1: you think is gonna happen. Game four was it's gonna
Speaker 1: end in Dallas. Are they're gonna go back to uh
Speaker 1: go to State? How? I mean? San Francis gonna have
Speaker 1: to close it up? You know what? Naturally, I can
Speaker 1: see you kind of taking your frol off the gas
Speaker 1: a little bit. Let's enter it at home. Let's our
Speaker 1: fans kind of celebrate this championship. I had Dallas winning
Speaker 1: one before the final, before the Western Conference Final started.
Speaker 1: I still have him win one. I think they win
Speaker 1: this one game. But then it comes down to Dallas,
Speaker 1: they'd be like, man, you know what, we didn't come
Speaker 1: back from three. I let's just show here. We ain't
Speaker 1: gotta go travel, you know. But Luca got hard. I
Speaker 1: know he's gonna show up. I know he got pride.
Speaker 1: J K is a leader, He's where all the experiences
Speaker 1: coming from. I see Dallas win in one game. Where
Speaker 1: do we rank this on the Warriors? You know they
Speaker 1: got championship already? Is is this their most historic one?
Speaker 1: I mean with everything they've gone through, Clay being injured,
Speaker 1: everybody they started the playoffs with, Steph and Draymond got
Speaker 1: kicked out of game Like it's a lot been going
Speaker 1: on already. Is this there because this might be their
Speaker 1: last run? You know what. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: the most historic one, but I think it'll be their
Speaker 1: most appreciated one because they're not young anymore. They're not
Speaker 1: surprised nobody no more. They got hit on the chain,
Speaker 1: and like a true champion, they bounced back. They showed
Speaker 1: that you can have peaks and valleys. Clay has been
Speaker 1: interest since then. Guys are get a little bit older,
Speaker 1: the league's get a little bit better, you know. Guys
Speaker 1: are you know, playing and catching up a little bit
Speaker 1: more so they hear all those whispers. Uh, steph, here's
Speaker 1: those whispers. Obviously him being the center what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I think this would be their most appreciated championship. They
Speaker 1: could pull it off for Luca. If they don't, if
Speaker 1: they don't make it out this series, what they what
Speaker 1: they need to do with with him and to bring
Speaker 1: in for to Dallas for them to be successful going forward,
Speaker 1: get some more help. I don't know if you watch
Speaker 1: TNT yesterday, but Chuck only on the horse. I said, Man,
Speaker 1: it's Luca right now. He's riding on a horses carrying
Speaker 1: Chuck carrying all this weight. They got to give him
Speaker 1: some help. If they give him some help, some real help.
Speaker 1: I don't mean regular season help, I mean playoff help.
Speaker 1: Jalen Bruns is a study spit Den Windy. We need
Speaker 1: a little bit more from He got a whole lot
Speaker 1: of game, but the playoffs have been kind of up
Speaker 1: and down for him. If they can get him a
Speaker 1: bona fire second star, I'm not gonna say any names,
Speaker 1: but they can get him a bona fide type second star,
Speaker 1: I think his game will brow. But this is good
Speaker 1: for Luca being twenty three years old and seeing there's
Speaker 1: levels too greatness. Right, Steph Curry has been great for
Speaker 1: a long time. There's no better person for you to
Speaker 1: see in the playoffs series, especially to get to the finals.
Speaker 1: No team has ever come back oh three. So we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens next segment on the Radar by draft Kings.
Speaker 1: Here the odds presented to you by draft Kings on
Speaker 1: how many games this series would go me personally is
Speaker 1: over in folk Man. You heard that as boss four
Speaker 1: games minus one ten five games plus one sixty six
Speaker 1: games plus one thousand seven games plus eight fifty What
Speaker 1: do you think, Mam I'm going five games. I think
Speaker 1: they get one game being nice, being a nice dog,
Speaker 1: I'm being nice. I just think they're gonna give all
Speaker 1: they have for that one game. It's at home. They
Speaker 1: got to their fans in justice. I'm going one game,
Speaker 1: they get one win, five game series. Man, I just
Speaker 1: chef them. Have been in this position too many times. Man,
Speaker 1: they got to go and get them boys up out
Speaker 1: of here. They absolutely smell blood. Ain't no doubt about it, Jack,
Speaker 1: Ain't no doubt. All right, let's move on to the
Speaker 1: Heating versus Boston game. Going seven. They're going seven games
Speaker 1: plus one hundred plus six game, six games plus one
Speaker 1: thirty five and five games plus six hundred this series, mam,
Speaker 1: how many games you gotta go on? I'm going seven.
Speaker 1: I think this one's going to distance. It's just I
Speaker 1: can't figure out who's the better team right now, Jack,
Speaker 1: I know who's better offensively in Boston. I know who's
Speaker 1: better defensively in Miami. But with health and availability, I'm
Speaker 1: going seven. It's a toss up fliper coin, which you
Speaker 1: want heads tail? I mean, I gotta agree with you
Speaker 1: on that, bro. My question there, this series been so
Speaker 1: up and down. I can't really tell who's gonna win
Speaker 1: or who's gonna play. Somebody go down every two, you know,
Speaker 1: two seconds, so it's gonna be up for grounds. But
Speaker 1: if I had to make a bit, I go seven
Speaker 1: games plus a hundred. Yeah, we too. I think that's
Speaker 1: a good bad safe money, safe money. Now it's time
Speaker 1: for a third edition of Showtime's Next seventy five. We're
Speaker 1: naming the seventy five underappreciated Hoopers of all time. Gott
Speaker 1: to shed a light on them. Today we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about two thousands hoops. Me and Stacks are joining
Speaker 1: us today. Is one of the best players from our air,
Speaker 1: our brother Tea Matt Trace McGrady. What's up, bro, Man,
Speaker 1: It's good to be on your platform. Bro. What's going
Speaker 1: on with y'all? Man? Happy to have you on the
Speaker 1: show Man. Happy early birthday too, Dog. I appreciate getting
Speaker 1: y'all man. I'm getting younger, you're getting wiser, math you
Speaker 1: getting watched. That's all that is too. Hey. We also
Speaker 1: got an announcement to make Dog. Not only is your birthday,
Speaker 1: we want to welcome you to the Showtime Family team
Speaker 1: is officially apart. The Showtime Family. Not so welcome bro. Yeah, Man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I was looking forward to this. It's
Speaker 1: so dope, Matt. Can you explain what O b L
Speaker 1: is and what you're trying to build. So what I'm building, uh,
Speaker 1: Fellas is really a league, a platform, uh that creates
Speaker 1: opportunity for a lot of these hoopers that really untapped.
Speaker 1: As you all know, it's a lot of underground one
Speaker 1: on one league's out here, a lot of great skills
Speaker 1: out there that is not playing in the NBA. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some of these guys played college ball, didn't get the
Speaker 1: opportunity to play professional basketball, but they still got that
Speaker 1: drive and love the game. Some people try to create
Speaker 1: one on one leagues, but I think the way I'm
Speaker 1: doing it with adding that ranking system brings a different
Speaker 1: dynamic to the game. And I think, you know the
Speaker 1: player so far of being on this platform, they love it. Man,
Speaker 1: m great skills set, great competition, that the exposure that
Speaker 1: these cats can get that they've probably never gotten before.
Speaker 1: It's it's something that for me because I know you
Speaker 1: know where I come from and how my story is. Right,
Speaker 1: nothing nothing really changed for me as a player. I
Speaker 1: just got on a bigger platform, a national platform. For me,
Speaker 1: what changed and really made me who I became was
Speaker 1: getting the invites to the dida's Camp, national rate high
Speaker 1: school basketball platform, and prior to that, I don't one
Speaker 1: knew who the heck I was as a basketball player.
Speaker 1: That changed my whole world of getting on a nationally
Speaker 1: ranked platform. So I look at some of these these
Speaker 1: cats that are out here, like I talked about, that
Speaker 1: love the game of basketball, creating that platform for them,
Speaker 1: giving them the opportunity to showcase their skill set and
Speaker 1: make a name for themselves and build a legacy or
Speaker 1: create one. You know what I'm saying. And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm all about. I want to change their lives because
Speaker 1: I know how my life got changed and somebody gave
Speaker 1: me that opportunity and I took advantage of that. And
Speaker 1: that's where I stand with oh b L. Hey to
Speaker 1: to question. First, First, we uh show time. We appreciate
Speaker 1: you starting league and we love being a part of it.
Speaker 1: But I want you to explain, uh tell people the
Speaker 1: definition of o b L, what what it stands for,
Speaker 1: and also what do you see it in a few years.
Speaker 1: So o b L stands for One's Basketball League and
Speaker 1: in a few years I'm looking for O b L
Speaker 1: to be global. You know, it's so many doors that
Speaker 1: I can knock down with this league that to me,
Speaker 1: I think it should be a global platform that guys
Speaker 1: get that recognition for their skill set. I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to be part of All Star Weekend because the slam
Speaker 1: dunk contest is just not it. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: hit or miss, you know, some some weeks some years,
Speaker 1: I should say, I'm looking forward to be a part
Speaker 1: of the Olympics, which was you know, you got three
Speaker 1: on three, why not one on one. Let's find out
Speaker 1: who the best in the world, and if if it
Speaker 1: doesn't get into the Olympics. Creating the model for O
Speaker 1: b L here in North America. Whatever that model is,
Speaker 1: we then go and sell that model to different countries
Speaker 1: so they can identify who their rule over the court
Speaker 1: is and we can create through O b L we
Speaker 1: can rate our own Olympics. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: in the you know, the big Olympics. We create open
Speaker 1: ell Olympics on our own. Mm hmm. That's crazy. You're
Speaker 1: changing the game once again. Obviously you changed on the
Speaker 1: court and we're getting that later on. But you guys
Speaker 1: have been different cities. Now, what have you noticed style
Speaker 1: of play wise from city to city. Tell me about
Speaker 1: Chicago versus you know, Houston or a different place. What's
Speaker 1: the style of play from these different cities when you
Speaker 1: look at it. Atlanta was more of a brute style
Speaker 1: of basketball. Not really highly skilled guys, but it was
Speaker 1: just more of you know, being a brute muscling. Chicago
Speaker 1: show ray of skills, not finished game and the roads
Speaker 1: finished game. Listen. In Chicago you already knows as a tough,
Speaker 1: you know city anyway, but they're they're mental is different,
Speaker 1: like they're way different. But the skill set was really high. Houston.
Speaker 1: Houston was very competitive. Skill set was was on another
Speaker 1: level as well. But if I had to choose, you
Speaker 1: know which one out of those three cities was probably
Speaker 1: the best I've seen. I go Houston and Chicago. Uh,
Speaker 1: pretty high skill sets in those cities. But the toughness
Speaker 1: and the trash talking Chicago man that there was, it
Speaker 1: was on a whole another level. And we're in New
Speaker 1: York next weekend, so you can imagine the shoot like that.
Speaker 1: What the city's gonna be in New York? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had I had two young and little boost and another
Speaker 1: little kid played here in Atlanta, man, and he said, Man,
Speaker 1: all the guards was was big. Man. It was nothing.
Speaker 1: All the guards are too big. Man. There's nothing I
Speaker 1: can do, but it was. It was a great experience
Speaker 1: for him, Tacu. I appreciate that because I played with
Speaker 1: these young guys in l A. Finnis every week, and
Speaker 1: you can tell these these kids hungry. But coming back
Speaker 1: in the gym after experiencing that, man, they had a
Speaker 1: different glow on them. Now that's what's about bro Um,
Speaker 1: you know, just just create opportunities for these cats, man,
Speaker 1: because I know how much they love to play this game,
Speaker 1: and I know the impact that it has on us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. As as as kids that
Speaker 1: grew up in certain areas, that's our way out, that's
Speaker 1: what we love to do. That's our safe haven. So
Speaker 1: Um to get these guys an opportunity only you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's only right because of how I got to
Speaker 1: where I am today. We talked about oh b L
Speaker 1: to be in New York next week. We're talking about
Speaker 1: some talent. We're gonna see some some all kinds from
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford from ball handling going on in New York.
Speaker 1: But but also are you excited about the fight the
Speaker 1: tank David's fight. I am tain't got them hands, and
Speaker 1: you know, I watched a couple of his fights, but
Speaker 1: to be able to see them hands, you know, go
Speaker 1: at it in person, is gonna be on the whole
Speaker 1: another level. I'm gonna have a probably a new found
Speaker 1: respect for for my guy after that fight. But I'm
Speaker 1: definitely looking forward. But going back to um A Chicago,
Speaker 1: j C. A kid from Calamazoo won it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know that from Caligan, Callazoo, Michigan wanted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he drove two and a half hours, bro, and he won,
Speaker 1: and he want we tell you who he played like.
Speaker 1: He played like Brandy Jennings and he looks like Brandy Jennies.
Speaker 1: Hey and Matt, Matt. I saw I saw him sitting
Speaker 1: in the chair when you were standing next to him,
Speaker 1: and when he was sitting there he won. His face
Speaker 1: was still business like. He came down on a business trip.
Speaker 1: I felt that energy even looking at the picture. So
Speaker 1: that's crazy to say that man, that man had game
Speaker 1: like Brandy Jenny's. He was crafty, he was lefty, looked
Speaker 1: like he was he was nice he was giving him
Speaker 1: the business out there. Bro. When I say his skill
Speaker 1: set was on another level. He's highly skilled. And I
Speaker 1: know you from Seattle, but you know you got tied
Speaker 1: to Michigan. That's why I brought that up now, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I know for you doing O bill, for you
Speaker 1: and being who you are, you'd like to see the
Speaker 1: skill set more than just backing you down. How you
Speaker 1: want to see the skill let me let me see
Speaker 1: why you're special, let me see why you crafty. And
Speaker 1: I know that was exciting for you to watch the
Speaker 1: young Brandon Jenny is on the street. I like that.
Speaker 1: That's very important to me because I look at you,
Speaker 1: Look at the league right now, look at look at
Speaker 1: the European players, at Little Cool, look at young right.
Speaker 1: They can't jump over a phone book, but they've some
Speaker 1: of the most talented and highly skilled guys in our league.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna be that way because they You can't
Speaker 1: speed them up right, you can't get under skinned that
Speaker 1: they're tough. They've been playing pro basketball since they was
Speaker 1: ten years old. So these guys know how to play man.
Speaker 1: They could beat you with their mind and and and
Speaker 1: and their skills. Absolutely skills. Petter bills. Yes, sir, Well
Speaker 1: let's get into these two thousand. Who's me and mall
Speaker 1: came into the league in two thousands, Mathew side with
Speaker 1: the Lando in two thousands. First thoughts of the top
Speaker 1: seventy what's your first? Um? I mean, you know, top
Speaker 1: seventy five, that's that. That's tough, bro, you know, and
Speaker 1: any any time you put on the list like that
Speaker 1: with you know, the great players that come through our league,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna get left off. That's just what it is.
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna leave some great players off. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm pretty fun with the list. I just
Speaker 1: thought some of the guys that are still playing, you know,
Speaker 1: with the exclusive of Lebron James, that's a no brainer, Katie,
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. But some of them, some of
Speaker 1: the guys that still but I still think they got
Speaker 1: a little bit more time and stuff as well. Like
Speaker 1: therese are no brainers, but there's some question marks on
Speaker 1: there that I thought, you know, some guys that didn't
Speaker 1: make it should be in there. So my question for
Speaker 1: y'all is when you think of two thousands of basketball, like,
Speaker 1: what's the first thought that comes to mind? Stacking that?
Speaker 1: To me? I think of perimeter dominance. That's what I think,
Speaker 1: perimeter dominance, Bro, because the weeds back there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you two guys that like, man, look, every night you
Speaker 1: had to you had to put it down. We had
Speaker 1: a hell of a matchup every night, Bro on that wing,
Speaker 1: no nights all. I I said that when I when
Speaker 1: I went to the East. You know, I was like, man, listen, bro,
Speaker 1: y'all don't know what I was going through in San Antonio.
Speaker 1: Every night, bro on that wing. It was a problem
Speaker 1: every night. Dog, I tell people all the time, said
Speaker 1: the talent on the wing, you know, you gotta think
Speaker 1: it's it's guards. Now all over the league, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of small guards, but I'm talking about Tracy six nine,
Speaker 1: Kobe six seven. Just then you can deal it with
Speaker 1: guys like bondsy Wells. You gotta deal with two two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pound bonds Wells every night, Rawn tests.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like you dealt you dealt
Speaker 1: with some some animals on that wing. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: I went through that era because that's what made me
Speaker 1: to Matt. That's what made me the competition and and
Speaker 1: and being around all y'all and learning from all y'all.
Speaker 1: I'm competing with you every night. I think that's what
Speaker 1: made me because I wanted to be great. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you couldn't be no punk bro. Back then,
Speaker 1: if you was a punk, you was getting exploited dog
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, on the court, if you back down
Speaker 1: in any type of way, you're getting exploited. Nowadays, you
Speaker 1: can see a guy that don't want to compete and
Speaker 1: they are kind of they kind of cover them up
Speaker 1: on the court and they want to explore them like
Speaker 1: we used to do. It's crazy because you know the
Speaker 1: team ATX, you know the Kobe's, you know the Ais,
Speaker 1: you know the Paul Pierces. But a guy like Stacker
Speaker 1: or around our test to get you just as fast.
Speaker 1: So when I think of two thousand's, I think of
Speaker 1: no nights talk and you had to guard your match up.
Speaker 1: You'll work with your guarding like you had a point guard.
Speaker 1: You had a guard point guard. If you're a two guard,
Speaker 1: you had a guard too, and the best guard the
Speaker 1: best every single night. So the competition level, to me,
Speaker 1: it was like a men's league. That's how I think
Speaker 1: it was a men's league. If grown man was going
Speaker 1: out of every single night, and we learned to be that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was absolutely unbelievable. Listen that era. I mean,
Speaker 1: we could talk about the obvious, right, the printer Perennial
Speaker 1: All Stars, but when you start looking at you know,
Speaker 1: the page of Sokovitch that you've got to guarden. Like,
Speaker 1: we're talking on some tough matchups. And for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I was guarding power Forward, so I was going small.
Speaker 1: For I was guarding two guards and point guards. Guarden
Speaker 1: Ai Guarden you know, Baron Davis, are you kidding me? Listen?
Speaker 1: Contino Mobley Man, come on, that was tough, bro, So
Speaker 1: question for both of you guys. Man gotta started with you.
Speaker 1: Who give me three of the best one on one
Speaker 1: players in the two thousand's outside of the obvious though, Matt,
Speaker 1: come on, we know you, we know outside the obvious.
Speaker 1: I just named one. Contino Mobile Cat Cat Cat was
Speaker 1: a problem, bro Right, I'm gonna give you all another
Speaker 1: one that was pretty tough. Monster mash Man, Monster Monster
Speaker 1: Mash was a problem. The brow and we're talking and
Speaker 1: we're talking not the obvious, so I put Monster Mash
Speaker 1: in there. And thirdly, I mean I ain't gonna get
Speaker 1: you that, bro, because that's what you do. Uh uh Stack,
Speaker 1: I'll throw you in there. You was a tough guard.
Speaker 1: You know. You know why you was a tough guard
Speaker 1: because I couldn't block the shot because you put that
Speaker 1: to it all the way behind your head in his
Speaker 1: slas hell, what is a piece with this game? Like
Speaker 1: it's like, oh ship, you know about this, but it
Speaker 1: was so slow bro throwing that thing while you yeah,
Speaker 1: you couldn't block it. I mean he talked once you
Speaker 1: have a swooning in the league, right, bro? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely did. He was really tough in Charlotte. You and
Speaker 1: you and Gerald what's what's buddy? Ain't Gerald Wallace y'all
Speaker 1: y'all was tough. It was that was toughing together in Charlotte.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three. That's that's not like t
Speaker 1: mac kobe Ai, I'm gonna give you in not d way.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three. I'm gonna go Gilbert Arenas tough.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Baron tough, and I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Steve Francis because they had one shake where the
Speaker 1: whole side was clear for you had the whole side
Speaker 1: just clear for you and you on the island and
Speaker 1: Rudy letting drive them. So I'm gonna go with him.
Speaker 1: Three I had to guard in two thousand's what about
Speaker 1: your stuff? If I had to give you three and
Speaker 1: I can't name y'all. One I'm gonna go with because
Speaker 1: he got my respect. Brandon Roy Uh, I gotta go Brandon. Nah.
Speaker 1: He was a problem. Don He gave me problems. Dog.
Speaker 1: I would have to go to Karen. Buto was tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he wasn't just because the cross the type
Speaker 1: of guy, but he was just he just can get
Speaker 1: a bucket. Yeah, and somebody else who had one on
Speaker 1: one game but it wasn't flashy. But he got twenty
Speaker 1: two thousand points. And and they know I always talked
Speaker 1: about him on the show at Twin jameson Dog he
Speaker 1: had and got it done, a bucket done. He was
Speaker 1: a bucket But what you said, but would you say
Speaker 1: he's one on one though he was more of a
Speaker 1: garbage man. But he got buckets, right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So and go to State he got buckets, and that
Speaker 1: they was going to him when he was in go
Speaker 1: to State. He was getting buckets fifty balls. A matter
Speaker 1: of fact, I think he I think he had. I
Speaker 1: think he had fifty back to back. He did, Yeah
Speaker 1: he did. It's the Lakers, he did. Yeah, he got buckets.
Speaker 1: And that's crazy because the man got twenty two thousand points. Bro,
Speaker 1: j got you got twenty thousand two, don't you. They
Speaker 1: robbed me, Mack, They robbed me. They took the last
Speaker 1: two years something you only need a four hundred eighty
Speaker 1: six points. But they got me. They got sick too.
Speaker 1: I was sick. I ain't gonna lie. I never talked
Speaker 1: about it. I was sick. I was four hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty six points from twenty thousand. I thought I was
Speaker 1: gonna hit it. They got your way got me and
Speaker 1: I could. I could have set on the bitch and
Speaker 1: played five minutes, give me three points a game. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ease into this. They they got it from me.
Speaker 1: They got it. Yeah, yeah, reaching that twenties special, man,
Speaker 1: I didn't reach it. But you did everything else, averaging
Speaker 1: thirty two, seven and six and twenty three. But man,
Speaker 1: let me ask. I got back on my wall. That's
Speaker 1: a whole other story. Back and ask this, bro, because
Speaker 1: you've got so many signature moves, right, you got your
Speaker 1: hand drivel, you got the behind the back when you
Speaker 1: put it in front of their face. You got the
Speaker 1: off the backboard in the glass. Two part question one,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite signature move and to what signature moves
Speaker 1: do you like the others that's either playing now, I
Speaker 1: played in the past that you was like, oh that's nice.
Speaker 1: I ain't did that. There is nothing greater than it
Speaker 1: has and pull up, bro man, I stole that from you,
Speaker 1: greater than the heavy pull up. Everyone is using a
Speaker 1: heavy everybody because it's set sup other moves, right, And
Speaker 1: that's why I came up with it, because you just
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm a if I'm you know, rocking
Speaker 1: you to sleep, to cross you over or rock you
Speaker 1: to sleep and pull up on you a rocket to sleep,
Speaker 1: or keep it in my left hand and go by
Speaker 1: you or go between the like you. You just don't know.
Speaker 1: Like I created so many moves just out of the
Speaker 1: heasbant out of that. Yeah, and then what what what? What?
Speaker 1: What moves you like from other guys? Signature moves that
Speaker 1: you've seen over the years. Yeah, it is so many.
Speaker 1: You're a joint that you did going between you. Let
Speaker 1: you went like you did something crazy with the bulls
Speaker 1: one time when you do go behind the back, Like
Speaker 1: that's that's crazy in itself. He had he had one
Speaker 1: too when he went through the legs into a hot step. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the one that was the one to come
Speaker 1: from speeding and to hit it. But it was more
Speaker 1: like like we kind of like bring the ball over
Speaker 1: your head or something. Yeah, exactly exactly picking up on
Speaker 1: the fly man. I was making up every daffer was
Speaker 1: pre stout Friday for me. I was just making it
Speaker 1: up as hey but stack stack little known story, little
Speaker 1: known story. I hit team Mac because we was tight,
Speaker 1: still our type, but we was tight. And I hit
Speaker 1: him like, yo, I want to get better. You're the
Speaker 1: best can I can work out with you? And he
Speaker 1: was so gracious, him and his family, and they let
Speaker 1: me stay in the house and everything. And as soon
Speaker 1: as I dropped, my bags were right in the gym
Speaker 1: and the old house, not the new house. Get the
Speaker 1: old house, the new one got a court too, the
Speaker 1: new okay, okay, okay. But I saw him Hangel, and
Speaker 1: I stole little handel from him and Kobe. I saw
Speaker 1: him and Kobe do it first, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: And I was doing with the left hand, and when
Speaker 1: we were working out, Matt showed me how to do
Speaker 1: with the right hand. And the thing that struck me
Speaker 1: about Team Mat is if you watch him from a distance,
Speaker 1: you're like, damn, man, he scored so easy. Everything is
Speaker 1: so easy. He can go to sleep and average fifty
Speaker 1: before a game. The thing about I didn't know it's
Speaker 1: how hard he worked. This dude was working out three
Speaker 1: times a day. He's on the track at four in
Speaker 1: the morning, He's back in the gym at ten the morning,
Speaker 1: back in the way room at twill, backshoot at nighttime.
Speaker 1: And you would never know that. I ain't an live
Speaker 1: mac and I ain't never told you I thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna be some easy workouts. I really did. I
Speaker 1: said he's easy. I were still smooth from you. My
Speaker 1: man worked out so hard. I'm like, man, I'm dying
Speaker 1: over here. But because that his manner is and the
Speaker 1: person we know and his workout does not go together
Speaker 1: dog pulling this ship off the court. But this man
Speaker 1: had a super intense My man was obsessed. Bro like
Speaker 1: he was obsessed. I'm like, damn, okay, that's why he's
Speaker 1: as great as he is. It wasn't just the talent,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the guy given ability. He pushed it all
Speaker 1: the way to the limit with that guy giving ability,
Speaker 1: and that's why his team. Man. Yeah, now that's what
Speaker 1: it was. Man. It was for me in the off
Speaker 1: season because I never showed, like how I work workout.
Speaker 1: Y'all know me, man, I'm just laid back. I'm cool.
Speaker 1: I ain't all. I ain't all about the show. I
Speaker 1: don't care if you see I don't care if you
Speaker 1: think I work out or not. That doesn't matter, because
Speaker 1: that's what people were saying, like, Oh, he's lazy, he's
Speaker 1: this man, trust me. That's that's what I did in
Speaker 1: the off season. How how are you lazy it? How
Speaker 1: are you lazy? You don't work hard to be able
Speaker 1: to accomplish what I accomplished in my career? What do
Speaker 1: you say about What are you saying about those that
Speaker 1: do accomplish you know, uh, scoring titles and and take
Speaker 1: their team to to win championships and all these personal
Speaker 1: accolades that catch What are you saying about them just
Speaker 1: because you see it, right, because they show it to you.
Speaker 1: To me, it's just a slap in the face. How
Speaker 1: you spit on somebody? You know what I'm saying and
Speaker 1: you don't even know. We don't see what I do.
Speaker 1: But yet you want to put a label that I
Speaker 1: don't work hard. Bring your ass something over. Crazy. Come
Speaker 1: come on and work out with me. You'll see. Man,
Speaker 1: it was crazy. I couldn't believe it's that. I was
Speaker 1: there for a week. I cannot believe it. When when
Speaker 1: did you develop the hang joke with off? Did you
Speaker 1: have it in high school? I say my first year
Speaker 1: with the Magic. First first year with the Magic, That's
Speaker 1: when I developed because I was always a left or
Speaker 1: right crossover to I got right right, So I love
Speaker 1: to do the left and right crossover. But then I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I start trying different things up there
Speaker 1: was damn bring you right into my shot, and it
Speaker 1: just felt comfortable. It's like, this is it, this is
Speaker 1: It's actually one of the most unguardable moves ever. It
Speaker 1: makes guys unguardable. When you see you see Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: right when you're seeing Code, you see Mac, you see myself.
Speaker 1: Kyrie is doing it like you think about I just
Speaker 1: said everybody from six and eleven and seven feet down.
Speaker 1: The six one is doing that move. They're putting it
Speaker 1: in there their teaching moments. Right. I'm teaching kids now,
Speaker 1: and I teach them to hang drible. So a lot
Speaker 1: of most respect to you for that, yes, sir, All
Speaker 1: right now, now let's get into this next seventy thousand's list. Man,
Speaker 1: let's get up. First. Up, we got your family yoke,
Speaker 1: your family member. Three year peak twenty six points per game,
Speaker 1: six rebounds with game, four assists per game, twenty five
Speaker 1: k career points, twenty second all time, eleven straight season's
Speaker 1: average of twenty of more, eight time All Star Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year, two thousand all NBA half man half amazing,
Speaker 1: somebody who I was terrified of at nights. Vince Carter.
Speaker 1: Matt is like having front row seat to the Vince
Speaker 1: Carter showing to run. Man, let me tell you something, bro,
Speaker 1: he should have been the top seventy five, no doubt
Speaker 1: about both of them, both of ums. That no question.
Speaker 1: My second year in the league, Bro, this dude came
Speaker 1: in as a rookie and man, you like, I've seen
Speaker 1: this stuff in high school because I played on the
Speaker 1: junior team Florida and he was on the older team,
Speaker 1: so I played. I always played before him in the summertime,
Speaker 1: and I used to just sit in the stands and
Speaker 1: watch this cat. I can't believe my eyes what this
Speaker 1: high school dude doing. Like I thought I was good,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, oh, different of the gym. It's just
Speaker 1: it's a whole another level. I'm gonna tell you what
Speaker 1: y'all probably don't know. This man broke his right risk
Speaker 1: in the state finance, bro and dropped thirty five with
Speaker 1: the left hand. Mac. You know what that makes? You
Speaker 1: know what? It makes all the sense in the world
Speaker 1: because now he shoot left hand threes. That's where it
Speaker 1: came from. Oh, Bro, it's effortless. It looks just like
Speaker 1: he's right. That's talents. It was a highlight reel. Every game,
Speaker 1: it's a highlight reel. I couldn't believe this man and
Speaker 1: came and took the league by storm as a rookie
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I'm still trying to find my way.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting back out front Rose and I'm just loving
Speaker 1: every bit of it. Right top seventy five easy, both
Speaker 1: of y'all. They may be the only, maybe the only
Speaker 1: family members that should be in the top seventy five,
Speaker 1: but Jack not exactly. Ronald test three peak eighteen points
Speaker 1: per game, five rebounds, four sis per game two thousand
Speaker 1: four DEFENSI Player of the Year, youngest defensive player winner
Speaker 1: since Michael Jordan. Question for the group that's defender you
Speaker 1: guys ever faced Ron's up there, He's at the top
Speaker 1: of I don't have enough information to be like, well,
Speaker 1: Rod did a better job than this guy. He's on
Speaker 1: the list. Say he's definitely on the list. He's just
Speaker 1: it's long arms, strong hands. I figure run out very
Speaker 1: early because I used to sit there and try to
Speaker 1: dance with him, just play around with very early, very early.
Speaker 1: I can't play with this guy. No, you cannot. I
Speaker 1: cannot because he's not going for any of this, any
Speaker 1: of my face. Like it's like move whatever moved I
Speaker 1: try to put on him. He got that long, strong,
Speaker 1: gass left hand. He's just gonna stick that. Like if
Speaker 1: you try to cross over and then he's gonna put
Speaker 1: it on, He's gonna put it on you. You ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be able to move right right now. He was
Speaker 1: a problem. I had to figure him out early. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my brother down here. One time All Star to
Speaker 1: two thousand three, two thousand four All NBA two thousand ten,
Speaker 1: NBA Champion nine, two thousand All Rookie two thousand three,
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of yeard of course at four time All
Speaker 1: Defensive Team, A lot of a lot of stuff during
Speaker 1: the game, and being misunderstood kept him away from a
Speaker 1: lot of his accolades because Ron was definitely one of
Speaker 1: the best defenders in the league and one of the
Speaker 1: best two way players to ever played this game. Because
Speaker 1: if you know, if you know anything about Ron, I
Speaker 1: played with him and I've seen him dominate both sides
Speaker 1: of the game against some of the top teams in
Speaker 1: the league, and everybody knows that played the game. In
Speaker 1: our time, Ron was top ten player in the league
Speaker 1: the whole the whole time when he was locked in,
Speaker 1: he was top ten player in the league. If you
Speaker 1: guys go through it, y'all were the championship in d M, Yes,
Speaker 1: I think so, oh yeah, yeah, right yeah. Because with
Speaker 1: with with run, if they're seven games series, if you're
Speaker 1: a player you may have to in a possible efficient game,
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna make you take twenty five shots
Speaker 1: to get twenty five points. Like you done about it
Speaker 1: like you probably would have been efficient to it in
Speaker 1: impossible in a seven game series. Yeah, YEA made it.
Speaker 1: Next up, we got Rashid Wallace just three year. Peak
Speaker 1: was eighteen points for game, eight reboundsable game sixteen k
Speaker 1: real points, FO Time All Star two thousand four, NBA
Speaker 1: Chap nine six All Rookie. But none of that can
Speaker 1: sum up who she Wallace was. Talk to his team
Speaker 1: mat probably the most talented big man out to see, Man,
Speaker 1: that you're saying something. Man, you're saying something, saying something.
Speaker 1: Probably most talented. I don't even know what else to
Speaker 1: add on that. Probably the most talented, skillful big man
Speaker 1: I've ever scene. Bro, he had it all. He had
Speaker 1: it all. And like I was talking about Vince shooting
Speaker 1: left hand, she was the same way, bro, the same way. Man. Look,
Speaker 1: I used to come, like going to Portland's to show
Speaker 1: the shoot around, and we'll come on the court and
Speaker 1: I'll see she coming off the court. She'd have on
Speaker 1: some sweatpants and some timsone. Yeah, this man just don't
Speaker 1: give a damn dog. Hec at all towards you said,
Speaker 1: my rookie year, we played Karen Malone, Chris Webber, Kevin Garnett, Um,
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan and Rashid and we're on one of our
Speaker 1: West Coast trips, and I said, you know what, Jesus
Speaker 1: talented as any of them. It was unbelievable to see
Speaker 1: him in person, to see how afflets the game was,
Speaker 1: how easy it was. He wasn't even playing for numbers,
Speaker 1: none of that, Like he was just playing to win.
Speaker 1: And he was so cold, great team player cold. Next up,
Speaker 1: we got Chris Webber three or P twenty five points,
Speaker 1: eleven rebounds, five assists, seventeen thousand career points, five time
Speaker 1: All Star, five time All NBA Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 1: ninety nine t RB Champ four All Rookie Team in
Speaker 1: now newly crowned Hall of Famer. One of the most
Speaker 1: skilled bigs ever Fells without a doubt, I doubt about that,
Speaker 1: can shoot, passing, big man, very very uh smart basketball player.
Speaker 1: I mean Webb had it all too, Yeah he did.
Speaker 1: Hey man, it's eats to see Webb had seventeen K.
Speaker 1: But that makes me feel great about micro having thirteen,
Speaker 1: because Webb was a problem to see how dominant he
Speaker 1: was and how cool he was killing all that he
Speaker 1: was going to get them to top for us in
Speaker 1: the league, KG Tim duncan albra sheets and still doing
Speaker 1: work like like that. That that's had a lot of
Speaker 1: me about about him. He held us on in the
Speaker 1: time where the fourth spot was. He was in trouble
Speaker 1: every night. Dog, let me tell you something about what
Speaker 1: you ever see hands like George's head had what you
Speaker 1: have it? Bro see where I got the biggest hands? Bro,
Speaker 1: I thought I had some big hands. Man, that's why
Speaker 1: he got He got sub minutes, bro, go really duncing
Speaker 1: it right. And next up we got y'all mean. As
Speaker 1: you know your former teammate. Three years he was tweet
Speaker 1: one points per game, nine rebounds for game, two blocks,
Speaker 1: eight time All Star, five time All NBA, OH three
Speaker 1: All rookie. I was the first person to dunk on
Speaker 1: y'all mean a preseason when he came to the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was me. I got the footage. But team Mack,
Speaker 1: if this tea Mack, if this dude wouldn't have been hurt.
Speaker 1: He's talking about how good he was. Man. I was
Speaker 1: highly skilled man seven five seven five. Fellas had less
Speaker 1: right hand, jump up and shoot the mid range eighty
Speaker 1: five percent, eighty eight percent free throw shooter, can pass
Speaker 1: the ball like y'all y'all had he had it all
Speaker 1: bro on the offensive vent was unguardable. Dwight Howard next
Speaker 1: up three year peak twenty points per game, fourteen rebounds
Speaker 1: per game, two and a half blocks per game, nineteen
Speaker 1: thousand career points and count. Only player ever to win
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year three years in a row,
Speaker 1: eight time All Star, two time block Champ, eight time
Speaker 1: All NBA, five time All Defense, five time rebounding Champ,
Speaker 1: NBA Champ two thousand, four h five rookie, three time
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. Fellas Team MAC, you're in Orlando.
Speaker 1: You saw this up close and personal. How good was
Speaker 1: Dwight in his prime? And shouldn't be on the seventy five.
Speaker 1: But that's not top seventy five dollars. That's that's a
Speaker 1: whole book problem what we're talking about. Come on, Bro,
Speaker 1: they did, and then he was one of the people
Speaker 1: that I was talking about that was left off that list.
Speaker 1: That be a top seventy five. Go stop stopping the personal,
Speaker 1: personal attack, personal beast ye For eight years, this man
Speaker 1: the most dominant big man in the game, most dominant
Speaker 1: big man in the game. It's not even close, not
Speaker 1: even close. Stop playing with this man, bro. I get,
Speaker 1: you know, all the personal I get all the constractions
Speaker 1: and all that stuff when they came to basketball and
Speaker 1: the productivity what he gave Orlando for eight solid years.
Speaker 1: Let's top seventy five. Let's stop playing with him. Bro,
Speaker 1: Come on, man, ballot Hall of Famer. He should have
Speaker 1: been top seventy five. Y'all given robbing all this phrase. Man,
Speaker 1: Come on, man, man, I get upset. I get upset
Speaker 1: over stuff like that because all that the politics come
Speaker 1: to play, and that's all that's bullshit and you hate.
Speaker 1: One thing I hate is they always try to bring
Speaker 1: up the end, like what about the what about the
Speaker 1: first fifteen years is dude, then gave you. Don't try
Speaker 1: to bring up the end because you got something personal
Speaker 1: with the top seventy five easy. I had no respect
Speaker 1: for the people that left their man off the top
Speaker 1: severy five. Notice and a lot of them was players
Speaker 1: that was on that list that voted right, that's crazy crazy.
Speaker 1: Next up, Agent zero two of your peak twenty eight
Speaker 1: points per game, six assists for game four, rebounds for
Speaker 1: game three, time All Stars out in two Tis I
Speaker 1: was three most improved, three time All Star. About you, man,
Speaker 1: I don't like that doesn't really say who about you was, bro,
Speaker 1: because I know from playing against him and Tag you
Speaker 1: can you can probably get attest to us. This dude
Speaker 1: was a walking bucket. I'm talking about every night. And
Speaker 1: they can say what they want. But while he was
Speaker 1: in the league, he was basically unguardable too. It was unguardable.
Speaker 1: It was he was quick, he was strong, and he
Speaker 1: had a ratchet and he shot it and he shot
Speaker 1: it from anywhere, and if he got hot, just just
Speaker 1: prayed that your coach sent a double team. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: felt like he was in an island garden, Gil, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like he was like Max said,
Speaker 1: he was fast, he was strong, he could get to
Speaker 1: the basket. He was a foul magnet. He was shooting
Speaker 1: three ft behind. He's shooting game winners, turned his back,
Speaker 1: putting his hands up like he knew what time it was.
Speaker 1: Mantel Jordan's thought, this is how we do it. He
Speaker 1: was just party straight like that. So to see Gil,
Speaker 1: you know, up close, he was so far ahead of
Speaker 1: his time because if he was doing what he's doing now,
Speaker 1: you could add thirty five thirty seven to what he
Speaker 1: was doing. The alread thirty he was unbelievable. That's a
Speaker 1: fat Gil in today's game. Oh my god, man, come up,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be fat. He put up crazy now, but
Speaker 1: Gil for he'll probably hit that seventy point mark. He
Speaker 1: you know what he's he's he got every two in
Speaker 1: the in the in the arsenal to do it, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, because he not only could he shoot,
Speaker 1: you know, how to create fives? Yeah? Yeah, he told
Speaker 1: me one game I was playing against him like wall
Speaker 1: every time the bonus just dry. They gotta tell you, Damn.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. I'm trying to get around
Speaker 1: and like now just running to him, I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: you you don't figure out all right? Gill told me that, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: g Hill. Next time we got Chauncey billups three or
Speaker 1: peak seventeen points per game seven and sist three rebounds
Speaker 1: from three. That's crazy. Seventeen year pro, just under sixteen
Speaker 1: thousand career points, five time All Star, three time All
Speaker 1: nb A, two time All Defensive Player, two thousand four,
Speaker 1: NBA Champ two thousand three, two thousand four Finals MVP
Speaker 1: and somebody I know that team Mac loves. Because we
Speaker 1: were at his house, I asked him about big Shot.
Speaker 1: Tell us about big Shot taunt. Billis Matt my brother man.
Speaker 1: We played together in Toronto. I had what shot. Played
Speaker 1: with Chauncey when I was at my prime. We both
Speaker 1: was in our prime. He knows how to win. You're
Speaker 1: talking about a having a coach on the basketball court
Speaker 1: with you, you know, having you maneuver through challenging situations
Speaker 1: like Chauncey was such a cerebral basketball player and in
Speaker 1: such a great leader of men. Everywhere he went once
Speaker 1: he figured it out. Everywhere he went, he wont he won,
Speaker 1: right Uh, denver he won. He's just. He completely changes
Speaker 1: the complexity of of a basketball team. I had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to play with a big shot and just He
Speaker 1: was a coach on the floor. He was always a coach.
Speaker 1: He was always coaching and teaching. I loved his demeanor.
Speaker 1: No moment was too big. He was never too highed,
Speaker 1: too low. He always kept a center. I believe he
Speaker 1: was healthy. We won a championship with that Clippers team
Speaker 1: because his cerebralness there he respect that he demanded. You know,
Speaker 1: he was always himself, solid as they come. Still talk
Speaker 1: to him to this day, and I'm happy see him coaching,
Speaker 1: giving back the Nonson next generation. He's almost like a
Speaker 1: modern day Dave Willward with how their personalities are and
Speaker 1: how they played and how they were unflappable. So I
Speaker 1: love to see us two together now. Yeah, Big Shot
Speaker 1: was one of the point guards that everybody in league
Speaker 1: wanted to play with. Everybody and everybody looked up to,
Speaker 1: everybody respected, And I got a chance to play with
Speaker 1: him in the Big Three. One of the most solid dudes. Uh.
Speaker 1: And like I said, everybody saw the leader he was
Speaker 1: even though they wasn't on his team. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, everybody, Dawn, I wish I had a point
Speaker 1: guard like that because he's gonna control the game. He
Speaker 1: kind of like Chris baul Hes gonna control the game,
Speaker 1: whatever team or whatever game he's playing, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: control the game. And that's one thing I respected about
Speaker 1: Big Shot. Here how I'm not even gonna say good,
Speaker 1: Here's how great Chaunce he is or was. Although we
Speaker 1: view him as a solid like a point guard, a
Speaker 1: true point guard, of being a facilitating leading the team
Speaker 1: to trolling the tempo if he needed to get thirty
Speaker 1: or forty, Yeah, he's gonna do it. He can do it.
Speaker 1: I've seen it first hand. We was beating ship out
Speaker 1: of Detroit right when I was with Orlando. My man
Speaker 1: took upon itself. Now I've been I've been a facilitator
Speaker 1: for these first four or five games. I need to
Speaker 1: start scoring forty thirty eight back to back like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's not. Let's let's let's move on to his teammate,
Speaker 1: my classmate. Uh, somebody who I've seen do work for
Speaker 1: a long time. He had three year peaka twenty points
Speaker 1: per game for assist per game for a rebound, fourteen
Speaker 1: year pro, just under sixteen k career points, three time
Speaker 1: All Star two thousand four NBA Champ. A lot of
Speaker 1: players talk about how he was one of the most
Speaker 1: hardest players to guard. Uh, nobody was in shape like this, brother,
Speaker 1: we're talking about real Hamilton's the mask Mac. What you
Speaker 1: remember our match ups with the Mask Rip Rip City.
Speaker 1: The most conditioned player on the court. Yes, the man.
Speaker 1: I know he ran about eight miles to miles to
Speaker 1: the game. Slow down, bro, stop running off the each screen, bro,
Speaker 1: like like like, is it worth it is it worth
Speaker 1: it this shoot all this gas just to get to
Speaker 1: just just tell them to give you the ball so
Speaker 1: you can like we get a couple of dribbles in
Speaker 1: the ice and I can guard you that way. Oh,
Speaker 1: don't have me running through Ben Wallace and Rashid Wallace
Speaker 1: to get your shot off. Bro, remember that play in
Speaker 1: my scalp though. I was at my scout when I
Speaker 1: heard a truth dress coming down across the You take
Speaker 1: rip this time, go Tashawn. Listen. Thank God for Tayshawn
Speaker 1: being on that team so I can go out and
Speaker 1: because chasing Rip down. Hey, d A, you gotta Bro,
Speaker 1: You and job y'all handle that assignment. Man, y'all got that, man.
Speaker 1: That's that's why. That's that's so impressive for a guy
Speaker 1: to move like that for forty two minutes a game
Speaker 1: a game right and think about what Step is doing
Speaker 1: right now right and still have the fisial seat to
Speaker 1: shoot the ball like that in the fourth quarter. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that's credible. And Step is shooting it from further right
Speaker 1: like Brief was running around getting tired during the midway range.
Speaker 1: That's doing it. Hey, give me in the condition drill,
Speaker 1: have me do three downy backs and shooting three outside.
Speaker 1: Ain't no way, no way, next man. We got their teammates.
Speaker 1: This is going down the Pistons line. Bill Wallace eight
Speaker 1: points per game, fourteen rebounds per game, three block shots
Speaker 1: are still and a half a game. One of the
Speaker 1: two players who won Defensive Player of the Year four
Speaker 1: times with Mountain Mottember four time All Star two thousand one,
Speaker 1: two thousand two, Block Champ, five time All NBA, four
Speaker 1: time Defensive Player of the Year or two times Rebounding
Speaker 1: Champ two thousand four NBA Champ, six time All Defensive
Speaker 1: Team Hall of Famer out of Virginia Union Fellas. We
Speaker 1: made him so good on defense. They say you can
Speaker 1: pull and plug you know, different guys, and the team
Speaker 1: would still go that that that same way. Not one
Speaker 1: Ben Wallace bro you took. You take Ben Walllace off
Speaker 1: that team and try to plug somebody else in. I
Speaker 1: don't give a damn who it is it. Don't move
Speaker 1: that train. Don't move the same way. At that particular
Speaker 1: time where Detroit was, you know, dominant in the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference for what about four or five, five years, maybe
Speaker 1: even six years. I might be needing some out, but
Speaker 1: he was such a dominant force on the defensive. Being
Speaker 1: bro he was intimidating to some people. He was intimidating,
Speaker 1: you know, although being is probably six six six seven
Speaker 1: bout six six six seven man. He was a He
Speaker 1: was a great rint protector. He wasn't going to allow anything,
Speaker 1: you know, easy at the basket. He controlling the boards.
Speaker 1: He's setting me screens and he's gonna check his teammates.
Speaker 1: Ben was tough. It's only it's only one person that
Speaker 1: I really seen make Ben look like he was supposed
Speaker 1: to be out there, and that was Tim Duncan. Tim
Speaker 1: Duncan was giving him the blues. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: greatest for all time. I know, but it's gonna Hey,
Speaker 1: it's gonna tell somebody like Tim Duncan to do that
Speaker 1: to Ben Wallace, right, Yeah, as as a big man.
Speaker 1: As a big man, if you're a guard, a prayer
Speaker 1: to player, he don't want to shoot, he's gonna do
Speaker 1: all the dirty work, get all the blocks, three bounds
Speaker 1: and give you the ball and say screens. Make him always.
Speaker 1: I get some I get some dough to stay with me, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, you're gonna make me better. You make
Speaker 1: the team guard the shack one on one, Bro, Bro,
Speaker 1: think about it. He was on the offensive end, Bro,
Speaker 1: and they still competed for championships. He's a lot of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all of favor. That's crazy. That shows his impact,
Speaker 1: shows his impact. Any big man that can guard shack
Speaker 1: one on one for a whole series. Man, you deserve it.
Speaker 1: Dog and win and win. Yeah, the chip though not
Speaker 1: not not the chip Dog come and go to check
Speaker 1: straight up pretty much. That's ultimate warrior man and come off. Man.
Speaker 1: Are we going through seventy people right now? No? Last
Speaker 1: one right here? This last Max, having fun with this,
Speaker 1: the last one. This is the last one, Matt. We're
Speaker 1: gonna finish up with Elton Brand. Three year peak twenty one,
Speaker 1: ten rebounds for game, two blocks for games just at
Speaker 1: the seventeen K points. It was eighteen and nine all
Speaker 1: of his first eight seasons. Two times All Star, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, two thousand, All Rookie, Rookie of the Year, Rookie,
Speaker 1: and All NBA two thousand five or six. B was
Speaker 1: a problem talking about eb Rec with eb is another
Speaker 1: cat with them, big mittens, bro, big hands, big body.
Speaker 1: Just he just knew how to play the game, and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He knew how to use
Speaker 1: his body to get his shot off, group on the boards,
Speaker 1: like he controlled the boards, like he long arms, like
Speaker 1: b was a problem. Like he was a twenty and
Speaker 1: ten dude. We had many of those. He was. He
Speaker 1: was in that class of a twenty and ten type
Speaker 1: guy and he was doing the rookie I came into
Speaker 1: Chicago right after his rookie year, and I remember the
Speaker 1: marketing department had a brand of soap and they said
Speaker 1: Elton brand, like it looked like it was tied. And
Speaker 1: he said, the brand you could depend on twenty and ten.
Speaker 1: He was getting twenty and the brand depend on twenty
Speaker 1: year regardless he was before the game. Now, he absolutely
Speaker 1: was a problem. People have no idea. He became a
Speaker 1: monster as well when he went to the Clippers before injury. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was just a problem with somebody that's underappreciated. And
Speaker 1: I talked about enough. Now that's real. You go ahead
Speaker 1: before the game even start, go ahead and put it
Speaker 1: on and ten in the books for real. Absolutely, Hey,
Speaker 1: that well, that's it, mana mac Man. We appreciate you
Speaker 1: for coming on man, working with us and giving your
Speaker 1: opinion on the forgot to say any five, Man, I
Speaker 1: feel like you should have been in the top seventy
Speaker 1: five dollar play against not just because you're my brother,
Speaker 1: because I know what you've done for the game, and
Speaker 1: when all his peers know he belonged in seventy five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Max wanted the coldest to ever touch your basketball.
Speaker 1: Like you talked about the hand drill or something he
Speaker 1: brought to the game, it will be felt fraternity because
Speaker 1: you can't be unguardable if you don't have the hand drill.
Speaker 1: Besides that, Mac is artist, and we're thankful for him, bro,
Speaker 1: because he's he's something different. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: knows how cold he truly is and was and everything
Speaker 1: he's doing O b L it's just as cold. So
Speaker 1: we're excited about Obo as well. Mac. I just love
Speaker 1: the game. Man, work my ass off, and you know
Speaker 1: it was God given talent. I just you know, put
Speaker 1: the work into and hence that. So I appreciate the
Speaker 1: compliments fellas you already know. And once again welcome. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Showtime Family Man, the O b L League. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Showtime Family Man. We're looking great, We're looking to
Speaker 1: be a part of it. Gonna be a great weekend
Speaker 1: in New York with the O B L League and
Speaker 1: also the Javante was Fight. So I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: see you there, my boy. Yes, sir, Man, I see
Speaker 1: y'all this week. I appreciate fellas Matt. There were so
Speaker 1: many guys that we wanted to have on the Forgotten
Speaker 1: list for the two thousand's. Man, it's just we have
Speaker 1: time to go through all of them and a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that we want to show love to and
Speaker 1: give flowers to. Man, we appreciate your tuning in man,
Speaker 1: Jamal Man. Has been a great day, Bro. I love working,
Speaker 1: which I don't know how I get through it because
Speaker 1: you make me laugh so much. Bro. But you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We give them what they want, don't we. Hey,
Speaker 1: every time, we can't disappointed because you know we did
Speaker 1: of the people, show time and pride. Baby. Closing thoughts,
Speaker 1: Lakers head coach search Juwan Howard declines the interview we
Speaker 1: got Darvin Ham, Kenny Atkinson, Terry Stotts, note Sterry stots
Speaker 1: Kenny Adkins and don't do it. Don't do it, Lakers,
Speaker 1: don't do it. Darvin Ham. Yeah, he deserves the opportunity.
Speaker 1: What you think about their coaching search, man, I think
Speaker 1: about Juwan Decline and says a lot, but I know
Speaker 1: he want to stay with his son at Michigan. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. But these other guys that are talking about
Speaker 1: just a whole bunch of other names out there, Bron
Speaker 1: know who they're going back to, the same recycled coaches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my my vote be Darvin Him. I think as a player,
Speaker 1: he's an o G in the league. Somebody lebron a
Speaker 1: D and the rest of the crew russell those guys
Speaker 1: with respect. Uh, he's a champion. As an assistant, he's
Speaker 1: a champion, I believe. As a player with the Pistons,
Speaker 1: I think he just has a lot to give, a
Speaker 1: lot to bring to the table. I think he brings
Speaker 1: fresh energy and as you know, Jack looking at Willie Green,
Speaker 1: you know, looking at Monty Williams, looking at Tlucy, and
Speaker 1: these players become coaches and the way players look at them,
Speaker 1: I think bos well for the future. So if I'm them,
Speaker 1: I'm going d him. I'm going Darwin Him. He gets
Speaker 1: my vote to be a Lakers next head coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think that would be good. And even
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson deserves another opportunity. Man, Absolutely, absolutely. I don't
Speaker 1: even understand why they keep recycling these same coaches, even
Speaker 1: with you know, we're not even talking about him, even
Speaker 1: with Charlotte. You know they're trying to bring in No
Speaker 1: forget who they're gonna say, stat, would you coach Charlotte?
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, would you coach Charlotte? Will?
Speaker 1: I know you got time in Charlotte? If that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Would you coach Charlotte? If they said stack,
Speaker 1: we gotta what your deal for you? Can you get
Speaker 1: us to the playoffs and beyond next year? Could you
Speaker 1: do it? I'm gonna say I'm of course, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say yes. I'm not gonna say no, I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: But you're a champion, jack I think you could do it.
Speaker 1: M J. What's up? How that's that? Honestly, dude, I
Speaker 1: would I would love the coach because I played there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And right I believe myself
Speaker 1: do anything. But back to the Lakers, man, Zach Lavaine
Speaker 1: free agent? Um, what you think he's gonna do? Them all?
Speaker 1: If I had to bet one way or another, I
Speaker 1: would say he just not go back to Chicago. I
Speaker 1: think Zach is kind of where he's that. I haven't
Speaker 1: talked to him. I have no inside information, but just
Speaker 1: watching from afar, I think he may have you know,
Speaker 1: I'll grow in that situation a little bit. Yes, they
Speaker 1: have success, but I don't know. I just if I
Speaker 1: had to bet, just watching it, I would say he
Speaker 1: just not go back to Chicago. That a lot of
Speaker 1: people thinking that. Man. But two things Lakers, Darvin hamm
Speaker 1: is a good a good option, even Mark Jackson Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Don't hide Dan Phoni, Please don't hide Mike dann Poni.
Speaker 1: He is the worst thing you'll ever do. You see
Speaker 1: what he'd done it everywhere else, nothing but Zach. Do
Speaker 1: I want to see him on the Lakers or don't
Speaker 1: want to see him somewhere else with with with A,
Speaker 1: with a with a bigger role. But you want to
Speaker 1: see Jack I mean, he's electrifying, he's young, he's right
Speaker 1: in the middle of the prime of his career. What
Speaker 1: do you want to see? I think I want to
Speaker 1: see him with other stars. M that's a good point.
Speaker 1: I would love to see the other stars. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see him with a with a big role.
Speaker 1: Where he got to carry a team. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think, even though I think he could, I think
Speaker 1: with other stars, you get more out of him. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. He's electrifying, obviously. People are still learning about him.
Speaker 1: They learned about him with the Olympics. They learned about
Speaker 1: him in the playoffs this year. He was a little
Speaker 1: banged up obviously, But I'm with you. I would love
Speaker 1: to see him, uh with with more stars than just one.
Speaker 1: No disrespect to Devo the roles and he was unbelievable
Speaker 1: in the m VP conversation, but I would like to
Speaker 1: see him with with some younger stars and a few
Speaker 1: of them to kind of pair together. What's Brandon is
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Speaker 1: Peace m HM.