1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markoviz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: My guest today is the founder of OutKick, the co 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton radio show, 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: and the founder of the podcast network, which platforms the 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Carol Marcowitch Show. 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: Welcome Clay Travis. 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 4: I apologize the lights are off in my studio, so 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 4: if I look like I'm in a cave, just pretend 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 4: I'm Batman. 11 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a perfect vibe. 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Actually, So, you have a lot of podcasts on the 13 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck podcast network. 14 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: I have two of those podcasts, and one of. 15 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: The things I do on the show, and I don't 16 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: expect you to know it, is I ask all of 17 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: my guests a set of three questions, and I switch 18 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: up my questions at my yearly anniversary mark two year 19 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: anniversaries coming up in October. 20 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: The first time you came on this show, you actually. 21 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: Caused a little bit of a sensation with the answers 22 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: to one of your questions. You are my second ever 23 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: guest ever, and the three questions I asked my first season. 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: One of the questions was do you think that you've 25 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: made it and you said no. And I had multiple 26 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: people write into me. I had listener named Anna Rode in, 27 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: how the heck does Clay Travis not think he's made it? 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: His life seems set. 29 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: Another listener actually also named Clay, wrote in and said, 30 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: if Clay Travis hasn't made it, how can any of 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: us say that we have to be fair? 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: You said in some ways yes, but in other ways no. 33 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: Do you stand by that answer? 34 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think when you say I've made it, 35 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 4: it suggests that you're at a final destination. And I 36 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 4: don't think I'm at a final destination. To me, you 37 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: either are building or you're maintaining. And I like to build. 38 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 4: I like to try to create new things. I like 39 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 4: to try to go to places that I haven't been before. 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 3: And so to me, when you say, oh. 41 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 4: I've made it, it's as if you're trying to maintain 42 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 4: where you already are. And I think there's more opportunities 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 4: out there, and I think there's things that I can 44 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 4: be better at, and so I guess that's kind of 45 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 4: indicative of my idea or ideal growth mindset. 46 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: You know, I don't expect that I know everything. 47 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 4: I hope that every day I learn a little bit 48 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 4: better and get a little bit better at everything. And 49 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 4: so I think when you start thinking you've made it, 50 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 4: you kind of rest on your laurels. I'm always working, 51 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 4: I'm always trying to find something new, make sure I'm 52 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: not missing something, and so I still, yeah, I don't 53 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 4: think I've made it interesting. 54 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: So it's funny because I couldn't find some of the 55 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: other emails that you know, people DM me, people message 56 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: me on Instagram. I don't know, but one of them 57 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: specifically referenced he has a hot wife, like and it 58 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: was like, you know, considered that as like. 59 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: Part of the package. And so it's not just about career. 60 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: Like I think people look at you know, Touchwood your 61 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: life and they think, like, you know, Clay Travis has 62 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: it pretty good. 63 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 4: Look, I mean I do feel very fortunate. I think 64 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 4: it's important to start off each day to the extent 65 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 4: that people need life advice for me, which I don't 66 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 4: know if it's a great thing. 67 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: This is a show about life advice, So I think, yeah, look. 68 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 4: You can be grateful for what you have and also 69 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: aspire to more. And so I have a great deal 70 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: of gratitude. I've got three happy, healthy kids that seem 71 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 4: to be doing pretty well, thriving even I've got a 72 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 4: wife who tolerates me that I've been married to for 73 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: twenty one years, and I like to think that we're happy, 74 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 4: maybe happier now than we have been in you know, 75 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: early days of marriage. And I think certainly there were 76 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 4: way more challenges in my life in terms of financially 77 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 4: in terms of being able to know you're going to 78 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: pay your mortgage when I was younger. But I would 79 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 4: like to think I'm forty six now. I would like 80 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: to think that when you, if we had this conversation 81 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: when I was fifty six, that I wouldn't just be 82 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 4: in the same place now that I was when I 83 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: was forty six. And there are. 84 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: Positives and negatives that come with that. 85 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 4: You probably could say, hey, dial back, do less, But 86 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: in my mind, I'm always trying to do more, trying 87 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 4: to grow what I'm doing. So I really don't think 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 4: that I quote unquote made it. 89 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 3: I guess if you use as. 90 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 4: The standard, hey are you financially secure? Are you happy? 91 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: Yes? 92 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 4: But I don't think that I'm finished or that if 93 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 4: you talk again, if we talked in ten years, I 94 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 4: would happy. Yeah, I don't think I'd be happy if 95 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 4: I were doing only the exact same things that I've 96 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 4: done now. 97 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 3: There's still lots of things I'd like to achieve. 98 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: So you went to law school, you were going to 99 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: be a lawyer. You were a lawyer actually for a 100 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: little while. What made you switch to media? 101 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 4: It moves too slow, And I think that was the 102 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: reason for me that practicing law wasn't that satisfying, because you. 103 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: Could look at an issue and say. 104 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: Okay, this is what we have to figure out, this 105 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 4: is what we have to decide, and along the way 106 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 4: it just took forever, and so much of being a 107 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: litigator is just a procedural battle, and it wasn't particularly fun, 108 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 4: and I didn't think it was intellectually stimulating in a 109 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 4: way that actually led to problems getting solved. It was 110 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 4: almost like the job is to be the problem. The 111 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 4: job is to be the roadblock and just make it 112 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 4: drag on as long as possible. And I wanted to 113 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 4: get things solved and move on. 114 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: Did you have a plan? 115 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: See if it wasn't being a lawyer and it wasn't being. 116 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 4: In media, I thought, and I still think, this is 117 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 4: probably an ideal world and there's probably in the Marvel multiverse. 118 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: You have kids, you probably are familiar with the Marvel multiverse. 119 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 4: There probably is a world where I was a creative 120 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 4: writing teacher at a college. I really love studying writing, 121 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 4: teaching creative writing. I got an MFA in creative writing 122 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 4: in addition to the JD. I taught at Vanderbilt University. 123 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 4: While I was doing that, and when I was in college, 124 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 4: the courses that I loved the most were the creative 125 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 4: writing classes. 126 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: I liked being in a small. 127 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 4: Group, sitting around everybody reading stories, analyzing them, giving feedback. 128 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 4: I love that reading other great writers. So I think 129 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 4: there's a world where I'm not in the public arena 130 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 4: really in any way. I just kind of sit back 131 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 4: and work on trying to do books. And I still 132 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 4: think of myself more as a writer than a radio 133 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 4: or TV guy, even though I don't spend as much 134 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: time writing as much as I used to. And so 135 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 4: there's that That would probably have been my plan. See, 136 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 4: you know, go to a college and just in the 137 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: rest of my life kind of teaching undergrads. 138 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: You know, how to handle creative writing courses. I love that. 139 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: I love teaching, and I like. 140 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Being in a you could definitely still do that as 141 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: a you know, third act. 142 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 4: I don't know, there's very many universities are that excited 143 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 4: to hire Clay Travis as a professor. 144 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: Things are changing, Clay anything is. 145 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: It's a good point. Maybe Hillsdale would hire me. 146 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. So what do you worry about in life? 147 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: In life, in your day to day. 148 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: I worry about my boys. 149 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, probably ninety five percent of my 150 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 4: concerns to the extent that I have them if I 151 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 4: have nightmares and involves something happening to one of my boys. 152 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 3: And so you know, they're. 153 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: Seventeen, fourteen, and ten, so they're moving towards adulthood, but 154 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: they're still very young men. 155 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: I was a teenage boy. 156 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 4: I just know all the stupid things that boys get into, 157 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: the nervousness of having them behind the wheel driving a car, 158 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: what they or their friends might get into. That, by 159 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 4: far is my number one concern personally. Now, if you 160 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 4: want to talk like large universe, it's that I really think, 161 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: and part of me wants to write a whole book 162 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 4: on this. I think that men and women are just 163 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 4: not connecting, and I'm worried about where we go as 164 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 4: a society when we're telling men to be effeminate versions 165 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: of themselves and women to be masculine versions of themselves, 166 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 4: and are we bringing men and women together? So I 167 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: tell my boys and they always roll their eyes like that. 168 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 4: It's like, you know, get married and have as many 169 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 4: kids as you can. Because there are lots of great 170 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 4: societies Italy, South Korea, Japan, even China, which is obviously 171 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: historically a great society, They're not having kids and the 172 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 4: population of the world, I'm concerned could start to collapse. 173 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: And I think about it in two ways, like this 174 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 4: is in my new book that is coming out in November. 175 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: But Carol, you probably see this. Some of the most successful. 176 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 4: Women in the world are now going and picking sperm 177 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 4: from men that they never meet to have babies without 178 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 4: having husbands. Right, they're just flipping through it like it's 179 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 4: the NFL draft and they're like, this guy's six y two, 180 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 4: he got a fifteen hundred SAT. 181 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 3: You know, he went to Harvard or Yale or wherever 182 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: it is. 183 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 4: Oh, I want he's got great blue eyes, good hair, 184 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 4: Like I want to have a designer baby with him. 185 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 4: And they have no actual interaction. Flips me tons of 186 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 4: really pretty girls just go on only fans and thousands 187 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: of men convince themselves that they have a relationship with 188 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 4: the mn that are basically just hiring bots or hiring 189 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 4: men to pretend to be them to make them think 190 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 4: that they have a relationship with a pretty girl. Like 191 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: what is going on there? Both the only fans perspective, 192 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 4: where men are seeking out women that they don't actually 193 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 4: know to have relationships with, and then women are choosing 194 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: sperm donors because they can't find an actual man that 195 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 4: they want to marry and have a family with. I'm 196 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 4: concerned about what that dynamic is. And here's my big 197 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 4: picture concerned. I don't know what you think about this. 198 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 4: If you went back to nineteen sixty five and you 199 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 4: told a rich, desirable male, hey, what is the ideal 200 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 4: world for you when you're twenty five years old, he 201 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 4: basically would design the world that we. 202 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: Have right now, where you have to have almost no effort. 203 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 4: You can go look at pictures of girls in bikinis, 204 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 4: all of all ages, and just go send them a 205 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 4: message and see if they respond, and if they don't, 206 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 4: you're onto the next one. 207 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: We have made human interaction very. 208 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 4: Disposable and in some ways, I think female empowerment has 209 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 4: actually led to a world in which men's fantasies are 210 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 4: fulfilled and we get no commitment and everybody is less happy. 211 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: So those are the things big pictures. 212 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 4: That I think about that are different than maybe you 213 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: or mine's generation when people still went out to a 214 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 4: bar and actually had to have a face conversation. 215 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 216 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: The real life thing, I mean, we talk about it 217 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: a lot on this show, you know, with the collapse 218 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: of romantic relationships, where you, like you said, women are 219 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: going and having babies on their own and men are 220 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: having relationships with OnlyFans. Maybe maybe they're just having relationships 221 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: with the AI at this. 222 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: Point, Yeah, now's not even a real. 223 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: Person, right. 224 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: So but the thing is, to me, it all starts 225 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: from people aren't even having friendships anymore. 226 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: I talk about this a lot, the collapse of friendships. 227 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: Where yeah, fifty years ago you had like nine friends 228 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: and now people have like two. And it's scary because 229 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: you don't see that improving. You see this AI thing, people, Oh, 230 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: you can have a relationship with AI and it's accepted. 231 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: It's in the New York Times as a headline as 232 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: if that's normal or real or something to promote. 233 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: I think it's a real problem. 234 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 4: I agree completely, and I think it's only going to 235 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 4: get worse because AI is gonna get way more reliable. 236 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen this, there are. 237 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 4: Tons of now I think fake AI women with only 238 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 4: fans pages like these are not even really I understand 239 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 4: airbrushed women, all those things is not real in some ways, 240 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 4: but it's a real person. And now it's a completely 241 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 4: made up girl. And the whole dynamic of this is 242 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 4: very strange too, because I also think, you know, like 243 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 4: back in the day when my age we would try 244 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 4: to like get a Playboy magazine, most guys would never 245 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: meet a Playboy centerfold in their whole life. So there 246 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 4: was and let's say it's not a centerfold, it's Jenny McCarthy, 247 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 4: or it's you know, Pamela Anderson. Right, it's a pretty 248 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 4: girl that's on television, but you know, like you're never 249 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 4: gonna really interact with her. It seems to me that 250 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: we have gone from the super high level celebrities, you know, 251 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 4: the Denise Richards of the world's the Carmen Electras, like 252 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 4: we can run through that whole list of like nineties 253 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 4: calendar or pinups and now whatever. The pretty girl is 254 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 4: of a sorority, she's super famous in that tiny little pond, 255 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 4: and I think it makes things feel less like I 256 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 4: don't think women were threatened by Centerfolds back in the day. 257 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 4: It feels like there's more antagonism now. And if you're 258 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: a young girl, what is it thirty percent of teenage 259 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 4: girls have thought about killing themselves. They can see in 260 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 4: a way that you and I couldn't when we were 261 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 4: in school. Oh, that person is super rich and they've 262 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 4: got this great vacation and they got better clothes. And 263 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: I think it just leads Comparison is the thief of 264 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 4: joy in life. And I think Jordan Peterson has a 265 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 4: great line which I think is very helpful, where he says, 266 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 4: don't compare yourself to other people. Compare yourself today to 267 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 4: where you were yesterday, and think about getting better yourself. 268 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 4: And I think there's so much comparison out there that 269 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 4: most of us are not going to be drop dead gorgeous. 270 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: Most of us are not going to get sixteen hundreds 271 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: on our SAT. That doesn't mean you can't spot to 272 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: be better at something, but when you're only comparing your 273 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 4: worst to someone else's best. I think it leads to 274 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 4: a profound sadness, which I think has gripped much of 275 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 4: the country at many parts. 276 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: Of the day and night. 277 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: Totally agree. 278 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: And this is why Clay Favis doesn't think he's made it, 279 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: because he's comparing himself to himself only right. 280 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look, you can't compare yourself to like 281 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 4: I'm never gonna have Michael Jordan's jumping ability, I which 282 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: I was like, it would be super awesome. Right, You 283 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: can aspire to be the best version of yourself and 284 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: that is oftentimes way better than what you are today, 285 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 4: as opposed to trying to aspire to be the best 286 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 4: version of someone else. This is the way that anyway, 287 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: I kind of think through it. 288 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and be right 289 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What's the new book about? 290 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: Give us a preview. 291 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 4: So it's called Balls, And in fact, this is what 292 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: the cover looks like, very understating. Yeah, and so the 293 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 4: concept is sports fans, young men and Trump how they 294 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 4: won the twenty twenty four election. But really what it 295 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 4: dives into is how are we losing young men and 296 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 4: how do we get them to be productive members of 297 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 4: society when they're only getting forty percent of college degrees, 298 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: When the average young man is frankly falling far behind 299 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 4: the average young woman, what can we do? And why 300 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: are men feeling like they are being left behind by 301 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 4: so much of society? So this is it looks at 302 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 4: the election, but the prism is using athletics, which to 303 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 4: me is a great example of this. I make the 304 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: argument in the book that the last real source of 305 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: authority that everybody trusts in America is the scoreboard. Everybody 306 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 4: trusts that the score is right. If somebody steps on 307 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: the line for a three doesn't get two feet in 308 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 4: for a touchdown. In the NFL, we all go look 309 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 4: at the camera and everybody kind of makes their own decision, 310 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 4: and most of the time we end up agreeing. We 311 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 4: don't have a lot of those commonalities anymore. In the book, 312 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 4: I argue about why sports is important. I bet your 313 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 4: husband would sign off on this. Sports is the only 314 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 4: thing I can think of where when two people argue, 315 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 4: they end up liking each other more. 316 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely do not agree. 317 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 4: But you're like, hey, I speak a common language with 318 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 4: this guy, and I think that we need more and 319 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 4: more of those places in society. You don't get into, Hey, 320 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 4: what should the tax code be? How do we handle Ukraine? 321 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: You know, it's like, hey, who's the best quarterback in 322 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: the NFL? Let's argue. 323 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 4: I might not agree with you, but at the end 324 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 4: of the conversation, I'm probably gonna like you more. And 325 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 4: that's the great thing about sports. 326 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: Is there a chapter on how the Tennessee Titans suck? 327 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: No, there is a reference. 328 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 4: There is a reference in there to the fact that 329 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 4: my team's basically exist to make me sad and keep 330 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 4: me humble. So, yes, it is unfortunate that that I 331 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 4: am afflicted with the sad status of being a Tennessee 332 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 4: Titan fan. 333 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: That's right, you're afflicted. 334 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: Yes, it is a curse. 335 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: What advice would you give your sixteen year old self 336 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: having to do it all over again? 337 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 4: Don't change anything because I like where I am, so 338 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 4: I was actually having this conversation the other night. Maybe 339 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 4: I could have ended up in a better place than 340 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 4: I am. But I think if you go back and 341 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 4: worry about trying to remake things, you missed the lessons 342 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 4: that you learned along the way, and you aren't the 343 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 4: person that you are today. I'm imperfect, I'm flawing and 344 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 4: all sorts of things that I got wrong, but I 345 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 4: like to think that I have learned from them and 346 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 4: it's helped to get me to where I am today. 347 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 4: I think if you had told me how long it 348 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 4: would take to make a living in what I do, 349 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 4: I think it would have been really discouraging. And so 350 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 4: I think it's important to really be tough and find 351 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 4: something that you enjoy pursuing and just try to get 352 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 4: better at it. And I think a lot of people 353 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: in this era now they see, oh, that person's got 354 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 4: a million TikTok followers. 355 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 3: Why don't I have a million TikTok followers? 356 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: And I think the answer is, well, you can't compare 357 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: yourself to other people. Are you getting better at whatever 358 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 4: you like to do? And I like to think that 359 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 4: I've gotten a little bit better at media every day, 360 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 4: and I still have a ceiling that I could aspire 361 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 4: to reach in what we do. 362 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: So I think it's just be tough. 363 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 4: I think if I could go back to sixteen year 364 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 4: old me, I don't think I was tough enough. But 365 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 4: I think if you tell yourself, oh, be tougher, you 366 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 4: actually have to take those punches. You can't really make 367 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: somebody tougher. You have to go through it, and you 368 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 4: have to get scars, and sometimes those scars that's painful, right, 369 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 4: break bones. It's tough, but I think you have to 370 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 4: do it. And I think that's why you know, ultimately 371 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 4: you have to let kids fail too, because failure isn't 372 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 4: a sign of ultimate failure. It means that you're trying 373 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 4: to do something hard, and doing hard things is something 374 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 4: to aspire too, I believe. 375 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: Is that the same advice you give your boys. 376 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I tell him, I try not to look at result. 377 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 4: I try to look at effort, because effort translates across 378 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 4: all medium and sometimes you're really talented at something, you know. 379 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 4: My oldest son is is really really academically gifted, but 380 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 4: he's in debate, and debate is tough and you have 381 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 4: to work really hard and a lot of times you 382 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 4: lose and the judges might be frustrating, and so I 383 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 4: was very proud of how hard he works. My middle 384 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 4: son loves football. He has played seventh and eighth grade football. 385 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 4: They barely throw the football and he plays wide receiver 386 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 4: and he is running the route. Every route like it's 387 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 4: fourth down in the Super Bowl, even though they're unlikely 388 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 4: to throw to him. 389 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 3: That all you can control in life is your effort. 390 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 4: You can't control anybody else, You can't control any other 391 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 4: aspect of life. All you individually control is how hard 392 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 4: you work at something. And so finding something and being 393 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 4: willing to work hard. And I tell my boys all 394 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: the time, don't let money be that guide. Hey, if 395 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 4: you love coaching football and you just want to be 396 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 4: a high school football coach, be the best high school 397 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 4: football coach on the planet. 398 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 3: You know you're never going to make a lot of 399 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: money necessarily, But. 400 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 4: Success and pursuit of excellence is a reward in many ways. 401 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: And so I try to tell my kids, hey, don't 402 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 4: think about the financial side of things as much as 403 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 4: am I willing to work really hard at this, and 404 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 4: if you are, I think a lot of times the 405 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 4: financial side of things and the satisfaction that comes from 406 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 4: it fall that I hope. 407 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: So you know, I don't necessarily give that advice. I 408 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: actually tell my kids very often that they're very expensive 409 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: and that they should try to do something that they'll 410 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: be able to pay for the lifestyle to which they've 411 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: become accustomed. 412 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: But that is really good advice too. 413 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm an immigrant. I can't be like, oh, do it. 414 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: Why I have to say, do something that makes lots 415 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: of money. 416 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 4: The reason why I say that is everyone would have 417 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 4: told me that I was a moron when I stopped 418 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 4: practicing law and started writing about sports. Everyone would have said, 419 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 4: you're going to make you know, hundreds of thousands of 420 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 4: dollars a year practicing law. 421 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: What are you doing? You're going backwards. You've spent all 422 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: this money on this thing. 423 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 4: But what I have seen is a lot of people 424 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 4: pursue things that they don't like, right, And ultimately, if 425 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 4: you pursue something that you don't like, the people who 426 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 4: do like what you're doing are going to be more 427 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 4: successful because they're not trying to get out of it, right, 428 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 4: They're not looking at the clock. They're like, I'm still 429 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 4: amazed when I write how I look up and it's 430 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: been two hours and it feels like it was ten 431 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 4: minutes to me, Right, it was captivating to me. It's 432 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 4: just my brain is engaged and time passes quickly. If 433 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 4: you love something, Ultimately, people who love something typically are 434 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 4: going to be far more successful than people who don't. Now, 435 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 4: hopefully what you love is not basket weaving. 436 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: Right. 437 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: There are certain things, Yeah, there are certain things that 438 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 4: you could love that are never going to pay enough 439 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 4: to be able to make a living. 440 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're right. 441 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: Unless you're the best basket weaver ever and everybody comes 442 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: to you for the basket weaving, then who knows? 443 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 3: I watched them? 444 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 4: Did you see the video of the guy doing the 445 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 4: yo yos? Like, I don't know, if you went megaviral, 446 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 4: the guy doing the yo yos maybe the greatest person 447 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: at doing something Like I watched him, and I'm like, 448 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 4: I don't, like, it's the greatest maybe performance I've ever seen. 449 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 3: I don't know what being the greatest what being the 450 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 3: greatest yo yo guy pays? You know? 451 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 4: So there are some things you could pursue where you 452 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 4: would have to have an adult conversation with your kid 453 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 4: and be like, hey, you know, like, I don't know, 454 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: underwater rhythmic gymnastics, something cool to do something that you 455 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: probably don't make a living doing. So there is a 456 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 4: rational element to it. But most things in life you 457 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 4: can find a way to make a living doing them. 458 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 4: There are, however, a few exceptions where maybe parents need 459 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 4: to get involved and say, hey, we need a way 460 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 4: to make a living associated with this too. 461 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: Right, Well, I've loved this conversation, Clay. I think you 462 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: are so interesting and have so many unique points of view. 463 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners 464 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: on how they can improve their lives. 465 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: Sleep. 466 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 4: I think it's like the number one thing that ever Like, 467 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 4: maybe you are, well, everybody's jealous on jet of people 468 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 4: who only need like four hours do that. 469 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 470 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: No, there is a. 471 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 4: Tiny subset of the human race that has the genetic 472 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 4: capability to sleep like four hours a night and be 473 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 4: flawless and grade at everything. 474 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's an example. 475 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 4: And I think I function on a little bit less 476 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 4: sleep than most people do. But I think I tell 477 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 4: my boys all the time the number, like the whole 478 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: idea of hey, I'm gonna stay up all night and 479 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 4: cram and all this stuff. I say, you're better off 480 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 4: getting a good night's sleep studying as long as you can. 481 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: The best thing you can do is get eight hours. 482 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 4: Of uninterrupted sleep almost across the board, because it allows 483 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 4: you to deal with the slings and arrows of daily 484 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 4: life a little bit better than you otherwise would. And 485 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 4: it's something that you can control. I'll give you one more. 486 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: I've only started doing this recently. Go walk when you 487 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 4: talk on the phone, like in your neighborhood, wherever you are. 488 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: If you're going to have try to slot a bunch 489 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 4: of different calls. If you have to do it, bang 490 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 4: bang bang, go walk a couple of miles while you 491 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 4: do it. That walk passes faster, you're getting exercise, you're moving, 492 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 4: it's healthy. 493 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: It's a far better way to go through that process. 494 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 3: So there's two. 495 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: I love those. Thank you so much for coming on. 496 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: He is Clay Travis. 497 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: Check him out at the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton 498 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: radio show. 499 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 2: Excellent work. Play, Thanks so much. Can't wait to read 500 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: your book. 501 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 4: We're excited that you're in the podcast network. Keep killing it, 502 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: and we're fans of yours. So I hope everybody is 503 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 4: giving you all the credit that you deserve too. 504 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: Thanks play