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Speaker 1: And welcome to Friday's edition, a Big Blue Kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com. He is Jeff Fiegel's I'm

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Speaker 1: Lance Metal. Good to be with you for the next

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes, say jam Pat Day, because we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a preseason game later today. So Jeff and I doing

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Speaker 1: double duty. Yes, we are, absolutely as Our pregame show

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Speaker 1: ins and outs of the preseason game, the matchups, the

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Speaker 1: at two zero one, five one three. So yesterday, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: we talked a lot about what the advantages were of

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Speaker 1: the joint practices. Now the players have an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: translate that to the field tonight. And I think there's

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Speaker 1: a number of players to watch out for. Looks as

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Speaker 1: if sa Kwon Barkley unlikely that he's gonna play. So

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Speaker 1: I think Wayne Goldman is one player that comes to mind. Jeff.

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Speaker 1: You figure he's gonna get a lot of reps. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna get a lot more looks. And then the other

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Speaker 1: player that I would throw out on offense is David's Webb.

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Speaker 1: Since everybody is in east intrigue to see how is

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Speaker 1: he going to bounce back if they're throwing nine of

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Speaker 1: a little, uh, a little you know, he likes to

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Speaker 1: there's their time and a place for all that. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that you'll see a lot of him tonight.

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Speaker 1: And I think Kyle I that is another guy that

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Speaker 1: we mentioned to it yesterday that this team would like

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Speaker 1: he can play. And um, and then there's so many

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Speaker 1: positions still available, not a lot of time left. You're

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Speaker 1: two you're gonna be halfway through, and that third game

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Speaker 1: if you're a third, fourth, fifth teamer. You know that

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Speaker 1: at least, I mean there's you know, yeah, you have

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Speaker 1: Maybe somebody on the back end is still fighting for

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Speaker 1: some decisions you make. But you know, as far as

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Speaker 1: for him this evening because he's a guy that he's um.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's certainly a young guy. And you got

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Speaker 1: That's just the nature of the beast. But Sequon Barkley

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't a matter of him making mistakes in

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Speaker 1: You have to see what the entire preseason package looks like.

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Speaker 1: get over the hump. And appreciate the phone call, Tony,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much, away An. I think it's a great

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Speaker 1: point and it's a great dialogue in terms of what

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Speaker 1: did Ians need to do this season, There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about that. But with respect to the pass rush that

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Speaker 1: Tony said he wouldn't put it in the top three,

435
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Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with him. See if you stopped

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Speaker 1: the run, Jeff, then to me, the pass rush will

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Speaker 1: come if you're Spags last season, okay, and you're now

438
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Speaker 1: facing third and five, third and four, how many chances

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Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator are you gonna take in terms

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Speaker 1: of bringing the wolves when the quarterbacks is gonna get

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Speaker 1: rid of the football and he's gonna have an open

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Speaker 1: field and he only has four yards to get. If

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Speaker 1: you're fourth the other team in third and long, third

444
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Speaker 1: and eight, third and nine, third and twelve, okay, you

445
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Speaker 1: know you're gonna be able to get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean more opportunity because you know, third and four,

447
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Speaker 1: third and five, they can still be running the football.

448
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Speaker 1: And that's why you have to account for that. And

449
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Speaker 1: that's another reason why how often do we talk about

450
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Speaker 1: and I know Jpp is not on this team, but

451
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Speaker 1: Jpp was very good at stopping the run. So even

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Speaker 1: if you were Spaggs, if you felt you were giving

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Speaker 1: him the green light Jeff to go after the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you figured he could play the run in route to

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Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback. That's gonna be the key thing

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Speaker 1: to watch in the early stages of the season. Guys

457
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Speaker 1: like Lorenzo Carter Vernon is very good against the run,

458
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Speaker 1: but you want those edge rushers Connor Barwin. You want

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Speaker 1: them to show that not only do they have an

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Speaker 1: act to get to the quarterback, but can they also

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Speaker 1: aid in stopping the run in route to getting to

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Speaker 1: the court. And I think they can. I think Connor

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Speaker 1: Barwin is a good one. I mean, he's in in.

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter is just gonna learn. He's gonna learn. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know somebody that we don't talk a lot about

466
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Speaker 1: and and it's a really good football player and kind

467
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Speaker 1: of flies low under the radar. And I think that

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Speaker 1: once the regular season starts, you'll start hearing more of

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Speaker 1: this guy. Kareem Martin is a very good football player.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. And I think that we don't

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Speaker 1: talk about him a lot just because of the fact

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Speaker 1: that it's one of those things where when you're one

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Speaker 1: of those pros that you do the right things and

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Speaker 1: you just you're you know, you kind of fall under

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Speaker 1: the rad to do because not a householder pros. Yeah

476
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Speaker 1: you're a pros pro they call it. You know, the

477
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Speaker 1: guy you just do what you're supposed to do, You're

478
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Speaker 1: not not a lot of notoriety goes. But he plays

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Speaker 1: well and he's also remember this, he's also coming from

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Speaker 1: coach Betcher's defense in Arizona. Okay, the one player that

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Speaker 1: that's that's how it's already has already played there. So

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Speaker 1: that's going to help him a lot because he's way

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Speaker 1: ahead of the curve when it comes to understanding the

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Speaker 1: defense and what he has to do. Yeah. The other

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Speaker 1: reason why I think maybe Karee Martin sort of falls

486
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Speaker 1: onto the radar is I think a lot of people

487
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Speaker 1: look at his career numbers, Jeff, and they don't necessarily

488
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Speaker 1: jump off the page. That's not necessarily a reflection of

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Speaker 1: him not being a good player. But I think what

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Speaker 1: people forget is he was mainly a special teams player.

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Speaker 1: We'll look at the guys that were on that Arizona

492
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Speaker 1: roster a lot of death. Yeah, it wasn't like you're

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Speaker 1: gonna jump ahead of him. Then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: injuries happened last year that gave Karee Martin an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to get more defensive snaps. I mean, all you have

496
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Speaker 1: to do is look at his defensive snap count. It's

497
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Speaker 1: skyrocketed last year compared to where it was last the

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Speaker 1: previous season. So I think that now with him being

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Speaker 1: a full time player, they want to see can he

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Speaker 1: improve on his pass rush and his sack totals, and

501
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Speaker 1: therefore that obviously will help the defense overall the game

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Speaker 1: two zero one, five, one three, let's heat back two lines.

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Speaker 1: Johnny is on Long Island, Johnny, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 1: What do you got for us? Hey? How's it done? Guys? So,

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking back to the first preseason game

506
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Speaker 1: obviously gets Browns, where Jarvis Landy made that nice catch

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Speaker 1: on the Tier Tayler pass over Gers Jenkins, and I

508
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Speaker 1: was just wondering, if not nothing to do with that throw,

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Speaker 1: but how much do you of all do you see

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Speaker 1: that the back shoulder throw that we saw Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: do his entire early career. Two guys like Steve Smith,

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Speaker 1: a Monti tumor plastical bursts. But it's like recently under

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Speaker 1: Maxnew's offense, but we haven't really seen much of that

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Speaker 1: type of throw. But I feel like we really should

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Speaker 1: because with the improvements in the office the line, it

516
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Speaker 1: will give you a little bit more time. And obviously

517
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Speaker 1: with those weapons like Angram chef Odell, even Kon, even

518
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Speaker 1: Cody Latimer, these type of guys would be perfect for

519
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Speaker 1: those type of throws. And I just really haven't seen

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Speaker 1: that in the offense recently. I was just wondering if

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Speaker 1: you guys have seen that in practice or what you

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Speaker 1: think that could be a vibal option. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: that do you hit the nail on the end when

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Speaker 1: you said practice. It takes a lot of practice, It

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Speaker 1: takes a lot of confidence, and it takes a lot

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Speaker 1: from there, the communication with the receivers. And one thing

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Speaker 1: that the ELI is very good at that back shoulder throw.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at it came next. I mean he

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Speaker 1: they used to throw that to them all the time. Um,

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Speaker 1: and and it's very difficult when when you're in man

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Speaker 1: to man coverage, it's very difficult to defend that pass

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Speaker 1: if it's if it's if it's executed. So I think

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Speaker 1: we do see it at practice, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: just a matter of working in chemistry with the with

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Speaker 1: the receivers well. And also keep in mind a throw

536
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Speaker 1: like that is easier to execute when you have a big, tall,

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Speaker 1: wide receiver or a big target. And if you look

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Speaker 1: at last year's roster, for example, you lost Brandon Marshall

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Speaker 1: early in the season. Okay, Peckham got hurt. You know,

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Speaker 1: Sterling is not necessarily a guy that you're gonna target

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Speaker 1: on that type of a throw. And you know the

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Speaker 1: tight end of and Ingram really had to play wide

543
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Speaker 1: receiver more so than tight ends, so you had a

544
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Speaker 1: lot of movable parts. I think now that everybody is

545
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Speaker 1: fully healthy, I think you have a few more options

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Speaker 1: and size where they actually could utilize that, but more

547
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Speaker 1: so maybe when they're in the red zone as opposed

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Speaker 1: to something that's going to happen in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field. It's a it's a fun throw. It's a

550
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Speaker 1: fun throw to watch. I mean it's it's it's very

551
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Speaker 1: difficult to defend, and when it's executed, well, you can

552
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Speaker 1: pick up some big chunks of yardage. But you also

553
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Speaker 1: need I think what the last coler was bringing up, Jeff,

554
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Speaker 1: the perfect example of what Jarvis Landry did was Landry

555
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Speaker 1: aided Tyrod Taylor on that throw. He went towards the football.

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Speaker 1: You need a wide receiver that it's not just a

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Speaker 1: matter of elight throws it up and you just wait

558
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Speaker 1: and come and catch it. You have to pursue the

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Speaker 1: football with that type of thy Yeah, you really need

560
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Speaker 1: you really need guys there who can go get the ball,

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Speaker 1: who can pinpointed at the at the highest point. And

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Speaker 1: I think I think I have a perfect example like that.

563
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Speaker 1: You can split him out wide. He'll get messed up

564
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Speaker 1: against either a slot corner or someone who just who

565
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Speaker 1: isn't up to his side. I think that could really

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Speaker 1: be a good plant. Absolutely. I mean, plex is another

567
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Speaker 1: guy that was with the organization who you know, provided

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Speaker 1: that big, big target. Excuse me in the red zone

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Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call, Johnny, thanks so much awaiting.

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Speaker 1: And he would go after the football. Uh yes, he

571
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Speaker 1: would definitely go after it. And he had the height

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Speaker 1: and they had the bill to be able to do

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Speaker 1: it too. Let's head back to the lines. Doug is

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Speaker 1: in Rochester. Doug, what's happening all right? Doug? Uh, Jeff,

575
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Speaker 1: we're doing all right. Ju guys, Uh yeah, yesterday crossing

576
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Speaker 1: the problems on their John Carling from Detroit and literally

577
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Speaker 1: johns are calling in the last couple of days from

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Speaker 1: Detroit and there you guys talking about the ends a

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Speaker 1: lot drug contructers, you know, um law backers. But later, y'all,

580
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Speaker 1: I've been here, Rob Thomas and Corey Win and Francis

581
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Speaker 1: and that's what John is very important to having good.

582
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Speaker 1: You're having your good, good games that they're in the backfield.

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Speaker 1: That's business while I've been hearing. So what I'm sending

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Speaker 1: to you guys, and ain't just the linebackers. It's got

585
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Speaker 1: to be the ends to deferent ends putting the rush

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Speaker 1: on two. And you seem like those guys are getting

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Speaker 1: in the backfield. Well, I mean to your point, I

588
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Speaker 1: think if you're getting your interior defensive lineman after the

589
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Speaker 1: quarterback and penetration, that's gonna do wonders for your defensive

590
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Speaker 1: ends because it is essentially going to collapse the pocket.

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Speaker 1: So that's not a bad thing at all. And a

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Speaker 1: j answer this who I've been very high on since

593
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Speaker 1: he joined the team. We were talking about this the

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Speaker 1: last postgame show, Jeff. I was impressed with what he

595
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Speaker 1: did against the Browns. He didn't necessarily stockpile the statuet,

596
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Speaker 1: but you know, I saw multiple opportunities where he did

597
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Speaker 1: help collapse the pocket. And I think B. J. Hill

598
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Speaker 1: and Dalvin Thominson have been doing nice jobs as well.

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Speaker 1: Good So that basically that's what I was saying. I

600
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Speaker 1: was a geek with Devine, Thompson and Hills, and you

601
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Speaker 1: know you got Clary Wins. You guys his name and

602
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Speaker 1: Matthew Couch like the Eagles, kind of like the Eagles

603
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Speaker 1: line last year, rotating enough guys rotating in and out

604
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Speaker 1: like that guy. Well, I think it's a copycat league.

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Speaker 1: I do think that you want to have as much

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Speaker 1: depth as possible a number of players. They'll keep in

607
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Speaker 1: mind that the Giants having this rotation or a little

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Speaker 1: bit unproven, whereas Philadelphia had a plethora veterans doug where

609
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Speaker 1: you know, you didn't necessarily need to say, all right,

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Speaker 1: what is the guy gonna show in Week one and

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Speaker 1: week two? You know, they brought in veterans like Chris Long,

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Speaker 1: they had Vinny Curry. They had a number of proven

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Speaker 1: commodities that we have seen in those circumstances. Dalvid Thomlinson

614
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Speaker 1: is still very young. B. J. Hill hasn't played a

615
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Speaker 1: regular season game. A. J. Francis has been a journeyman,

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Speaker 1: really hasn't stayed with one team over the course of

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Speaker 1: his career. So, you know, I think we've still got

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Speaker 1: to see a little bit more out of these guys

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Speaker 1: in regular season games before I'm convinced to say the

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Speaker 1: Giants have the same type of depth as Philadelphia did well.

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Speaker 1: I well, but well, but but like anything else, well,

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Speaker 1: I think I wasn't. I wasn't trying to say that.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're looking to match Philadelphia's prowess. What what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is do they even have enough guys that

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Speaker 1: are reliable? Is my point that just because guys perform

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Speaker 1: in the preseason. Listen, I've seen this time and time again.

627
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Jeff can attest to this. We've seen guys flash, I've

628
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Speaker 1: seen wide receivers have amazing preseasons and then unfortunately, Doug,

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Speaker 1: you get to the regular season, there's no way to

630
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Speaker 1: be found. So just because guys are performing well now,

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Speaker 1: it's encouraging, But to me, you still need to see

632
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Speaker 1: what happens in the regular seasons. Have I done you? Guys?

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Speaker 1: I'm touring the air flowers to have a little trouble yesterday,

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Speaker 1: so that's um, you know, he's looking better or he

635
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: just had a bad yesterday or what because back into

636
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Speaker 1: the same air flowers and he's looking better than that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Doug, Well, I appreciate the phone call, thanks

638
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Speaker 1: so much. Awaiting. I think it probably was the other day.

639
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: I don't think they yesterday was mainly special teams. But um, listen,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna struggle. He's struggled ever since he's been here,

641
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Speaker 1: playing left tackle, and now you're you're kind of on

642
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Speaker 1: the right side, and you know, learning a new position,

643
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: new footwork, So you can't expect him to go out

644
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: there and and all of a sudden being a perennial

645
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: All Pro at right tackle when he's just learning the

646
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: position and a since he hasn't played it forever since

647
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: he was at Miami and it's been a while. So um,

648
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: look at you know, he's he's he's got to get better,

649
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: he knows it. But there's nobody better than him on

650
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: the team right now. I'm sorry, Wheeler can't be the guy.

651
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you at all. I mean I don't.

652
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't think any of the backup tackles have proven

653
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: that they should jump over Eric Flowers. And it goes

654
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: back to the old phrase. And I know fans hear

655
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: it a lot and they're tired hearing of it, But

656
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: here I think it speaks volumes. You put your best

657
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: five offensive linemen out there is your daughter's. You don't

658
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: just necessarily say, well, you're not too confident about how

659
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: we performed last year. If he's included in your best five,

660
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: you put him out there, period. And right now he

661
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: is he is without question, um. And I think that

662
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: if you're going to have a conversation and somebody wants

663
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: to break it down, that's probably where you would go, like,

664
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: where's the depth? Why didn't they go after a right tackle?

665
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: Why couldn't they find one in the draft? Why couldn't

666
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: they find one in free agency? And that's just the

667
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: conversations you can have and just keep going forever with it.

668
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: But the fact that the matter is is that it

669
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter right now. It's just what if he's one

670
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: of the best five, he's gonna play. Um. I've said

671
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: it in the past, and I think that you know,

672
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: if you there's no right tackle on the mar kit

673
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: right now that isn't in a camp somewhere, that's worth

674
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: of darn. So you might have to trade for somebody

675
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: or something, some somebody gets waved or whatever. Maybe, but

676
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: right now they're going with Eric Flowers. He's your starter,

677
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: and the starters weren't in there very long against the Browns.

678
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, if everybody wants to question, you know, well,

679
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: how did the offensive line perform. I look at it

680
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: as they ran the ball effectively when the starters were in,

681
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: so that was encouraging. And I think, you know, you'd

682
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: like to see the unit in a little bit longer

683
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: before we see how this group performs from a past protection.

684
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know, you know, uh, I was only

685
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: on the show today and yesterday, um, and I didn't

686
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: really get a report or read anything that I've heard about,

687
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, him struggling in camp or you know against Detroit,

688
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: and so you know, maybe, uh, there's something out there

689
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: that that was breaking down the offensive linement. I don't know,

690
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: but I didn't hear anything. Yeah, So I mean, I

691
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: think it's the next step in the right direction in

692
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: terms of tonight he does. I would have thought that

693
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: if if Eric Flowers were struggling, I mean really struggling,

694
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: and the riders were there, and they were, they would

695
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: probably there would be something on it. Well. They certainly

696
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: didn't shy away from it in years past, So you're right, Jeff,

697
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: I think it would have been a much bigger story.

698
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: And you know, the coaching staff also would have I think,

699
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: started to experiment about moving somebody else in with the

700
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: first team at the right tackle position, which we also

701
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: haven't seen either. All right, so I got my flip

702
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: cards from last week. But so we got a right tackle,

703
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers, Chad Wheeler, and Victor Silaco. So there you go.

704
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: Who was a late addition to the roster, who was

705
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: with the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, that's it. That that's that's

706
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: who's listed at right tackle. Now let's see other left tackle.

707
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: You've got the backup tonight and and then Jerry has

708
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: lined up there in second team, third team type of reps.

709
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: So they've experimented with a few people, but the best option,

710
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, is certainly Eric Flowers. To zero one,

711
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: nine four or five one three is the telephone number.

712
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: Dan is in the Poconos, Dan, what's happening? Dan is

713
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: in the Poconos? Hey, fellas? How you and always a pleasure?

714
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: Well too quick comments. I feel that, you know, we're

715
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: talking a lot about the pass rush. I'm feeling that

716
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: and I know it's just one preseason game. But if

717
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: we can be strong and shut down the run, that's

718
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, if we're looking at a lot you know,

719
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: on defense, if we're looking at a lot of you know,

720
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: second and nine and third and seven third and eight.

721
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: That's you know, and it's consistent. You know that's going

722
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: to help out pass rush, is right. They can focus

723
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: in a little bit more on that. If they're always

724
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: being put in those situations. I think we can relate

725
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: to that right bunch of years and again, and lance

726
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: Head touched on that earlier about you know, what are

727
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 1: you doing on first and second down to help your

728
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: pass rush on third down? That's that's a big, big point, absolutely,

729
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: and a lot of the unknowns like who knows. I

730
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: know that there was a little comment about a remorse

731
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: and uh, you know there's some other guys who might

732
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: you know Ben, Well, obviously they're going to benefit from it,

733
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: but you know that might give them a little morse

734
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: and we'll take everything we can get. And just one

735
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: other quick comment, and it's amazing. I'm a season ticket holder.

736
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: I'd go to every game and I just like you

737
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: know me, and I even affected my wife. I finally

738
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: got it into her and now she's a giant freak.

739
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: The Lord is good. He helped me out with that.

740
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So she's she's a freak. He loves

741
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: it just as much as me. I don't know, whatever happened.

742
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: But anyway, you're still hear these people a kicking Eli

743
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: and it's just my bodyling to me because he can't

744
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: run around like Aaron Rodgers. He's the even last year

745
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: with our with that dismal season that we had, he

746
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: was one of the few constant consistent players through the

747
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: whole season. I saw him passes on the dime and

748
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: just like everyone else has. But just because he can't run,

749
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: he's always going to be you know, I think this year,

750
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, if we give him an extra second, you know,

751
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: or something, he's really gonna he's gonna, you know, who knows,

752
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: come back the year. I got, you know, good imagination.

753
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: So I think he's gonna do wonderful. So that's all

754
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: I got. Fellas, you appreciate the phone called, thanks so

755
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: much Awayne Dan, excuse me, I'm sorry. I think yeah,

756
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 1: And Elie. I think Elie is going to have a

757
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: really good season. I think he looks good. He's he's healthy, um,

758
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: he's throwing the ball. Well, he's got a new offense.

759
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: He's got a new offensive coordinator that I've said in

760
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: the past that you know, Pat Shermer puts these guys

761
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: in positions to succeed, and that's the most important thing.

762
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: So they're not gonna have Eli uh throwing the ball

763
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: down the field fifty times a game. And you know

764
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: they it's gonna be fine. They get they got they

765
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: got a new left tackle for him, uh, they got

766
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: a new running game. So I think that things are

767
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: gonna be good. I mean, this is the first time

768
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: in a long time that this offense you can say,

769
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: on paper looks pretty potent. It really does, and it

770
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: look it can you can do good things. I mean,

771
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: I think John and I were going for what what

772
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: Elie's stats were predicting one of these. I think it

773
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: might have been over under here we go. Yeah, yeah,

774
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: completion percentage sixty two point five yards, four thousand, fifty touchdowns,

775
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: twenty eight interceptions fifteen and then sacked twenty six times.

776
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: I'm assuming was that number. And I think you guys

777
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: could do it over other for that. But hey, there

778
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: we go. So he had five different categories. So do

779
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: you remember what you said? Well, no, I don't, but

780
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you what I think up there. I

781
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: think I think his completion percentage could be north of

782
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: sixty two five because of the um the backs I

783
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: think that he can. You know, there's gonna be a

784
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of passes to these running backs

785
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: this year, and that's a completion, So that'll get your

786
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: completion percentage up there. His yards four thousand fifty, Uh,

787
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: that's a good number. I was thinking four thousand. I

788
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: think he can go over four thousand fifty just because

789
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: the fact that what I just said with the excuse me,

790
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: the running backs and Sequan maybe breaking one here and there,

791
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: and also with the healthy Odell Beckham. I mean that's

792
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: a thousand yards right there that maybe I have that

793
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: four thousand that he could he could get eight T

794
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: D S H. He can do it. I'll go under

795
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: on their I probably go under just because he hasn't

796
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: done in a while. And then the interceptions, I unfortunately

797
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: for Eli, he's a he's he's an interception guy. I mean,

798
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: it's rows him through his whole career. So I don't

799
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: think in one year all of a sudden it's gonna

800
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: just take a jump down. But I'll go over on

801
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: the fifty. I mean, he's never had single digit interception

802
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: seasons until you have to go back to two thousand

803
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: four and even play every single game that you only

804
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: played nine and on the team, then yes, so that

805
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: just goes I just don't think. And then the sacked number,

806
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: that's such a hard one. I don't know, just because

807
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: sacks are you know, you fall on the ground, I

808
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: touch you, you you get a sack you So, but it's situational.

809
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: Every one of the six that's won a game I

810
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: wanted happy. I would go just for the fact that

811
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: I think that the offensive line has improved. I'll go

812
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: under on that one. There you go. His career high

813
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: in terms of completed percentage was sixty three point one.

814
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: That was two thousand four His career high in passing

815
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: yards was four thousand, nine hundred thirty three. Did that

816
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven. And then his career high in

817
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: touchdown passes his thirty five. That was two thousand fifteen.

818
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: Now with Macado, his high was twenty six touchdowns. That

819
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: was two thousand sixty. This is when McAdoo was the

820
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: head coach, I mean technically was the coordinator for the

821
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: previous two years, So I guess you should probably consider

822
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: those numbers. But his head coach twenty six was the high,

823
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: and then he had thirteen interceptions last year. Compared to

824
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: nineteen touchdowns, So I could see Eli. I could see

825
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: him in that twenty four ballpark. For touchdown passes, I

826
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: don't think that's crazy. Interceptions, I mean, if you look

827
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: at the last four seasons, fourteen fourteen, sixteen thirteen, two

828
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen was crazy when he had twenty seven. So

829
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: on average, you're talking about fifteen interceptions. I think fifteen

830
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: a good number. Fifteen sixteen interceptions, I don't think that's crazy.

831
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: And then completion percentage, you know, a lot goes back

832
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: to do they utilize the backs because those are high

833
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: percentage throws. I could certainly see him getting sixty two

834
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: point five. I don't think it's crazy, especially if there's

835
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: an improvement on catching the football. The Giants were the

836
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: worst team in the league for drop passes, and what

837
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: was this completion the Plasher presentage les was sixty one

838
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: point six with all that went wrong, sixty one point six.

839
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: You're asking him to get to sixty two point five.

840
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that's asking for a lot. That's why

841
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: I think I think that's reasonable. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

842
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: I think the touchdowns, like I said, it's a little high.

843
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: You also figure the improvement of the running game is

844
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily going to maybe get him to that opportunity interceptions.

845
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty much spot on. And then as

846
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: far as the passing yards, Jeff two thousand sixteen, he

847
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: had four thousand, twenty seven. Last year he went all

848
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: the way down to below had three thousand, four hundred

849
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: sixty eight. Beckham back, we're asking him to get about

850
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: six hundred more passing yards. So yeah, four thousand fifty

851
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: should be doable even with the improvement of the running game.

852
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: So reasonable numbers in terms of the overhunders. Let's head

853
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. Matt is in Ocean City. Matt,

854
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, guys, it for having me on great show.

855
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: I just have a couple of points. I wanted to

856
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: throw him out there and I'll take him off the

857
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: air unless you want in Twitter or anything. First point,

858
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to just bring up the backup rainback situation,

859
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: if you guys could elaborate a little bit more what

860
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: that looks like. UM. Reason being just to see if

861
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm a big Wayne Goldman fan. I like the way

862
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: he plays. That followed him and Clemson. Um, I just

863
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: wanted to see, well, and then I saw Jonathan Stewart

864
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: out there, and I don't know if he's the short

865
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: yardage guy or if he's and if he's the head

866
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: of Goldman at good time. So, um, that would be

867
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: number one if you guys could elaborate a bit um

868
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: and can you guys hear me, Yeah, well we are you,

869
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: we're listening. We're gonna elaborate in terms of the backup

870
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: running backs down a problem? All right? Perfect? And then um, secondary,

871
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: who's how the what's the nickel and the and the

872
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: other safety? Look like? I don't know much about Curtis Riley.

873
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: I've been hearing a lot about him lately. Um, sounds

874
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: like he's he's he's starting to make some tries and

875
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: separate himself a little bit. And I guess lastly, I

876
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: wanted to touch on like what's going on with the

877
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: whole fight end situation, but umbo covering the tight end.

878
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have any there When

879
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: you say tight end situation, what are you talking about

880
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: on offense or in terms of coverage on defense? Coverage

881
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: on coverage? Yeah, scared the crap out of me. Seeing

882
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: what's his name on the plane duched out Yeah, the

883
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: joke who had two touch ends. Yeah, and it was

884
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: an issue last season two exactly exactly. I understand that

885
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: um and the and then lastly the third wide receiver.

886
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: Any any favorites, any guy who could like you know,

887
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of what's going on there. Okay, well we'll

888
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: hit on all that. Appreciate the phone call, you got it,

889
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: so watch away in all right, let's start with the

890
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: backup running back position. Jeff, I think his question was

891
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: not so much who it is, but the type of

892
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: roles that these players are gonna have. I've always said this,

893
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: I think it's reasonable to think Jeff Barkley could get

894
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: about twenty touches a game. What I mean by that

895
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: is the fifteen carry ballpark and maybe about five targets

896
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: in the receiving game. So I'm looking at about twenty touches.

897
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: So what does that leave for some of the other backs. Well,

898
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: Stewart I think could be a short yardage guy. Maybe

899
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: utilize him in the red zone. But I think Barkley

900
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: is still gonna be utilized in the red zone. And

901
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: that Goldman, I think is gonna be the guy that

902
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: spells Barkley when maybe he after a long run and

903
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: they need somebody in and also a third down back

904
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: because of his ability to catch the ball in the backfield,

905
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: much more so than Jonathan Stewart. Agree, I think that also, um,

906
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: if for some reasons the Quon Barkley is not in

907
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: the game in the red zone and goal line situations.

908
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: If you look at Goldman coming out of college, he

909
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: had a lot of touchdowns. He has a knack for

910
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: the goal line. Okay, so does Jonathan Stewart. Um. So,

911
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: I think that you know, Jonathan Stewart is there for

912
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. Number one, and I emphasize this,

913
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: this is probably one of the biggest reasons he's here.

914
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: You look at Wayne Goldman is the second year player.

915
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: You look at Sequon Barkley, he's a first year player.

916
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: You have no leadership at that position. Jonathan Stewart is

917
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: a is a veteran that's coming here is gonna teach

918
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: these guys how to be a football player at that position.

919
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: So that's a big thing. And I also think that

920
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: he can he can help you in the running, in

921
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: the passing game, UM, and in spotlar areas. But I

922
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: think Wayne Goldman is gonna see a big piece of

923
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: this offense more than than Jonathan Stewart. Now they have

924
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart on the on the depth chart above him,

925
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: he's number two. Um, but those those are your three guys.

926
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: I mean, unless something happens, those are gonna be your

927
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: three running backs, and I think they're all going to get,

928
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, some good, good shares of time in the game. Well,

929
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: and as a means of comparison, see if Dalvid Cook

930
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: doesn't get hurt last year, I think we have a

931
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: better idea to see how Pat Shermer utilized his running

932
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: backs because Cook went down what four or five games

933
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: into the season, So then what they did was they

934
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: really had a two man backfield between lat Abas Murray

935
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: and Jerick McKinnon. There really wasn't a true main back.

936
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: But after LaTavia Murray and Jerick McKinnon, as I bring

937
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: up Minnesota's numbers, Dalvin Cook actually still wound up finishing

938
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: third in carries. So what I'm saying is, I don't

939
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: think that the three backs are gonna have a tremendous

940
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: amount that even of a workload. I think it's gonna

941
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: be Barkley. Then I think there's gonna be a drop

942
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: off where Stewart is going to be a guy that's

943
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: either gonna get a lot of accumulation in terms of

944
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: the red zone and short yardge or it's gonna be

945
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: Goldman in terms of spelling Barkley as well as third downs.

946
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: But then that third back is going to be a

947
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: very small amount of opportunities. I would be even surprised

948
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: maybe if that third back gets a hundred carries. Well

949
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: the third special one of your course, exactly these guys,

950
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: he'll he'll be the up back on the punt team,

951
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: will be running down and kickoff. Um, you know those

952
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: kinds of things. So m moving to your other questions. Well,

953
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: we'll stay on offense. The other question was anybody jump

954
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: out in terms of that third wide receiver job. Well,

955
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: I think the third wide receiver job right now is

956
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: Cody Laddermer. It's his to lose in my opinion because

957
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: of the things I just said too with with special

958
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: teams and great special teams player. Okay, So um, I

959
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: think that he's got a relationship with Tyke Tolbert coming

960
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: from from the Toncos, and I think that he's just

961
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: a guy that he's he's a good blocker on on

962
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: on running place. He's your third guy, the fourth and fifth. Yeah,

963
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: it's hiding up in the air. I mean, it's all

964
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: those fourth and fifth receivers guys, and it's I keep

965
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: saying it over and over. It's not about them playing

966
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: Receiver's about them playing special teams because that's how they're

967
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: gonna make their their bread and butter. Is gonna be

968
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: special teams, okay, because you're not gonna see the fourth

969
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: and fifth receiver out there in information all that much.

970
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: You got your you got your top three, and that's

971
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: including Ingram, is Odell, Beckham, and Shepard. Those are your

972
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: three guys. So and the running backs and those guys. Well,

973
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: the third wide receiver job, I think is your hundred present, right,

974
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: A guy that's gonna have to contribute on special teams.

975
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: That's why coincidentally, you know Cody ladder Or as the

976
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: kickoff return or Hunter Sharp as the punt returner. I

977
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: am intrigued by Sharp. I'm with you. I I think

978
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: if I was a betting man, I put all of

979
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: my chips on the table for Lattimer because of his

980
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: connection to Tyke Tiber. But Sharp also was on the

981
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: Denver practice squad last year. People forget about that then

982
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: the Giants signed him or if the Denver practice squad,

983
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: so he's tied to Tilbert as much as Cody Lattimer is.

984
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: I I actually think Sharp will make this team as

985
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: the fourth receiver, and because I'm with you that the

986
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: special teams and also that I feel that he can

987
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: become a third wide receiver if he caught a touchdown

988
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: for Eli late last season a week seventeen. So I

989
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: think that you know there's a chance there. Um he

990
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: returns kicks and punts, and so the more you can

991
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: do people, the more of a reason why they have

992
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: to keep you. So Hunter Sharp. Cody Laddimer, I think

993
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: here in the driver's seat haven't really seen enough in

994
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: games from any of the other guys to say that

995
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna jump ahead of them. Plus I'd

996
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: like to see a little bit more on special teams. Colliman,

997
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: who's also a Denver connection, is intriguing. He's made a

998
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: lot of big plays in practice. He can also contrive

999
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: being on special teams. Russell Shepherd from Carolina another special

1000
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: teams guy. By the way, I just think with Raymond

1001
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: and Shepherd, you'd like to see tonight the Jets game

1002
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: moving forward, what do they do when they line up

1003
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: his receiver. I think that's what you want to see

1004
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: with respect to that. The two points on defense in

1005
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: terms of the secondary and the third cornerback spot. I

1006
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: would have said a few weeks ago, it's Dante Dion

1007
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: and there's no point of looking elsewhere. Dion is probably

1008
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: gonna wind up missing a second straight game though tonight,

1009
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: and that's gonna give b W Webb more of an

1010
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: opportunity to help solidify that job. So a few weeks ago,

1011
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: I would have said it's Dion. Now I'm not so sure, Jeff,

1012
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, if Dion continues to remain sideline b W Webb,

1013
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, William Gay has been banged up, I think,

1014
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: like that other safety job, it's still very much up

1015
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: in the air. Grant Haley is another guy to mention. Yeah,

1016
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: I think with the number, the name that jumps off

1017
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: the pages, b W Webb, I think he's gonna be

1018
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: your guy at this point in time in the game

1019
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: unless something else changes going forward. But you know, listen,

1020
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: you gotta be able, you gotta be healthy, you gotta play,

1021
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: you gotta get on the field. You can't make the

1022
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: team coming off the preseason not playing or practicing more

1023
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: practicing than playing, honestly, because at this point in time,

1024
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: you have more practices than you have games. And if

1025
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: you're missing practices and you're missing games, they can't keep you.

1026
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: They just can't. It reminds me of a few years

1027
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: ago trendon holiday speaking of former Denver Broncos. Remember the

1028
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: Giant signed Tammy, got hurt with a hamstring injury, and

1029
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: then he winds up making the team. We were excited,

1030
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: I myself in a return, yeah, you know, and then

1031
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: what happened, couldn't get on the field. So that's why

1032
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Dion doesn't have a shot to

1033
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: make the team, but to say he's locked down the

1034
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: slot corner job, I think he's getting really ahead of ourselves,

1035
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: even though he has a great deal of upside and

1036
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: he's got a great work ethic too. So let me

1037
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: ask you a question, and there's one other one that

1038
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: we needed to or Yeah, well, the defending the tight

1039
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: end and Matt, I think we still have you on

1040
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: the line, but we're gonna let you go on that. No,

1041
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: do appreciate the questions much away. We'll get to the

1042
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: tight end here in the second. But what were you

1043
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: gonna say, Well, I'm gonna give you some names when

1044
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: you look at this safety position, okay, and I'm gonna

1045
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: give you some Really, this is gonna be a tough

1046
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: one for you. I'm right. So I look at Landing Collins.

1047
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: We know Landing Collins. Okay. So uh right now that

1048
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: starting free safety is most likely, in my opinion, will

1049
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: be Curtis Riley. Okay. So you got your two guys.

1050
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: You've got Michael Thomas okay, and and Darry and Thompson okay.

1051
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: Then behind them Andrew Adams and William A okay. And

1052
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: behind them you got two guys that probably are gonna

1053
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: make the because Gay is also just to clarify, he's

1054
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: playing both positions corners. My question to you is how

1055
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: many safeties are the Giants keeping. I think you're gonna

1056
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: keep five? Yeah, so you're really yes? And and William

1057
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: Gay mean one of them as a swing guy that

1058
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: can also play in the nickel or dime. Yeah, William game.

1059
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not necessarily thinking because William Gate could

1060
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: be kept as a corner when they list the final roster,

1061
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised that they put him down as

1062
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: a corner. But here's the thing you gotta keep in mind, Jeff,

1063
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: Curtis Riley can play corner and safety. So the fact

1064
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: that if you have between the safeties in the corners,

1065
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: if you have guys that are interchangeable, maybe then it

1066
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: pushes the safety total to four under those circumstances. See,

1067
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: you'd have to tell me who makes the team as

1068
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: a corner, because if William Gaye makes the team, then

1069
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: I would say, maybe you don't have to keep five

1070
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: safeties because gay is on the corner list and he

1071
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: can then be moved. But if you don't keep a

1072
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: versatile corner, then I don't see why they can't keep

1073
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: Landed Collins, Curtis Riley. Michael Thomas is a significant special

1074
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: teams player, Okay, so that gives him a huge leg up.

1075
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: Andrew Adams is filled in as a starter. He's a

1076
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: versatile player. And then you know the wild card is

1077
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: darry and Thompson. Now he's a player, and we've talked

1078
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: about this, Jeff. He doesn't have ties to the current regime,

1079
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: so you know, you can't say he's a lock. Unfortunately,

1080
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: is dealing with the injury bug again, just like we

1081
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: say with Donde Dion. But he's also young. Still that

1082
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: where can you tell me that Darren Thompson has been

1083
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: able to stay on this field, Jeff. And so when

1084
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm coming, when it's coming down to it, I look

1085
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: at Andrew Adams, okay, and I look at Darren Thompson

1086
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: who's playing more. Andrew Adams has played the last two years.

1087
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: He made it as a rookie last year. I know

1088
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: this because he played with my son at Yukon. So

1089
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I just understand that you you make the

1090
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: team by being available. You've got to be available to play,

1091
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: and you can't. I can't count on some way. This never,

1092
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: that's not that's get hurts a lot. So this that's

1093
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: why I asked you this question because my it's a

1094
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: good questionable question. I wanted to get to you. Was

1095
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: Andrew Adams over Darren Thompson. That's where I was getting

1096
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: and that's where you're going. Well, if you would asking

1097
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: me right now, Andrew Adams I think has an edge

1098
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: over Darrey and Thompson. Yes, if you're asking me between

1099
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: both of them, and they said to themselves they're only

1100
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: keeping four, then I think Adams gets the edge over Thompson. Yeah,

1101
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: that's how I see that playing out. And Riley, I

1102
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: think right now is in the driver's seat at the daughter.

1103
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: I've always said this and I'm not gonna shy away

1104
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: from it. Michael Thomas to me is still an intriguing

1105
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: defensive contributor. He's a special teams player. But Thomas also

1106
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: he's with his former DB's coach who's within Miami, and

1107
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: he was utilized as a safety there. I mean, lou

1108
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: Anna Rumo told a great story about how when Michael

1109
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: Thomas was signed off the Niners practice squad when he

1110
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: first joined the Dolphins, he was signed I think on

1111
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: a Tuesday, Jeff. They had a game on Sunday against

1112
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots, by the way, and they had to play

1113
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: Thomas just because of the way the numbers games. So

1114
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: he barely had a many days in defensive team and

1115
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: he had the game winning interception to seal the game. So,

1116
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean that just goes to show you the guy

1117
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: could play defense. It just wasn't called upon to do

1118
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: that as the years went by a Miami. But I

1119
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: would not rule him out if he's a rotational player

1120
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: and somebody that they utilize in on the defensive side,

1121
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: especially when they go to three safeties. And you know

1122
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: that relates to the final question. We're gonna get to

1123
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: a few more phone calls here about well, you know,

1124
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: how are they going to try to counter opposing tight

1125
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: ends this season? Because he saw what Najoku did to me.

1126
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: It falls on not just the linebackers, and alak Ogo

1127
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: Tree had to pick up Najoku on one of the

1128
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: plays because they called the safety blitz. If you go

1129
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: back and watch one of Najoku's touchdowns, but the safety.

1130
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: You know, that's why this free safety position is extremely

1131
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: important because that will then free Upland and Collins to

1132
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: defend some tight ends or they may call on the

1133
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: free safety. So you know, this position should not be overlooked.

1134
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: It's an extremely important position. And Michael Thomas, he likes

1135
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: to play a little. He can go in and play

1136
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: that and he could play in the slot too, by

1137
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: the way, Michael Thomas, Yeah, that's why I like the versatility.

1138
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: Let's add back to the lines. Mark is in Chicago. Mark,

1139
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: what's happening, Hey, guys, good to talk to you again.

1140
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: I was hi. I was out at the practices in

1141
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: Detroit this week and uh Giant Stands will represented probably

1142
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: ten percent of the people that were there on the

1143
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: day I was there. We're actually uh Giants stands. So

1144
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: it was nice to be among friends. I guess this

1145
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: is the best way to put it. So. UM, one

1146
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: thing I did get to do was meet David Deal,

1147
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: and I've never met a pro football player before, and

1148
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: shaking his hand was like shaking hands with a catcher's man.

1149
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how big his hands were. But in

1150
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: any case, UM, a couple of things when I've never

1151
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: been to a camp before. Um, they were doing a

1152
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: lot of red zone stuff. What they practiced during the week.

1153
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: Is that the kind of thing that we should expect

1154
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: to see during the game. You think, Okay, well, I'll

1155
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: tell you I'm looking forward to see corner patterns to um.

1156
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: Uh Ladamer he came down with the couple. One was

1157
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: out of bounds, they roll up, but nice corner were

1158
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: out to him. Uh. Two guys that I don't know

1159
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: if they have a chance to make the team, but

1160
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: I'd like to see them try to use them. Uh.

1161
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: They didn't show that well in the in the red zone.

1162
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: But it was eighty six Bundy and Ruffle. I think

1163
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: a huge guys trying to work something with um, yeah,

1164
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: go on the back of the end zone. Those are

1165
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: the two tallest wide receivers on the team. Were they

1166
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: were they on the team last year? They come in

1167
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: at the very end. Bundy was on the practice squad

1168
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: and he may have been called up towards the tail

1169
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: and let me look that up. That's a good last

1170
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: half of the New Jersey was called up last year

1171
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: and well, that's a good way to put it. The

1172
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: last Oh my god. There were times where guys weren't

1173
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: active on the roster, I'll admit at the end of

1174
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: the season and I said, wait, am I covering the

1175
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: right team? Because I didn't even necessarily you'd like to

1176
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: see the height and especially if you gotta you know,

1177
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: you have a short TB that Bundy. I was right.

1178
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: Bundy was signed to the practice squad after he was waived.

1179
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: He didn't make the fifty three, and that he was

1180
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: promoted on December twenty seven, two thousand seventeen. So he

1181
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: played the very last game of the regular season last year. Jeff,

1182
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: just based on what you know, didn't have any of

1183
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: that special team value that you were looking at that

1184
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier. Did the two guys we

1185
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: just mentioned right, Yes, because they're big and there you

1186
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: know they can run to go run down. I just

1187
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: think it's that they're gonna get caught up in the

1188
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: numbers game if it's unfortunately. I mean, you look at

1189
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: you look at Unny. He was on the practice squad

1190
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: all last year until the last game, so that should

1191
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: probably tell you something. I mean, he could probably could

1192
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: have used them given all the injuries that they had. Yeah.

1193
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: The other thing, a couple more points. One thing, I'm

1194
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: expecting a good game from Lorenzo Carter tonight. There were

1195
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: a couple of plays just didn't get mentioned in any

1196
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: of the reviews that I saw, but there were two

1197
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: or three plays in a row where he was in

1198
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback space in that scrimmage and he just went

1199
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: through the the offensive line like it was butter and

1200
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: he I mean, he would have gotten sacks if it

1201
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 1: was a real game. So I'm looking forward to see

1202
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do tonight. And the last thing, Jeff,

1203
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: for you, um Marshall Kane, is it Cone the kicker?

1204
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: Was he kicked the other day? And I mean he

1205
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: pushed three wide to the right. Now, the was a

1206
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: little bit of a left and right wind, but a

1207
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: lot of his kicks sort of would not end over

1208
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: in they were sort of almost side by side, you know,

1209
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: they were off center. So, um, is that indicative of

1210
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: an issue? I wasn't impressed with his abilities. Yeah, you

1211
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: know what that's that's that's fundamental. That's you know, that's

1212
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 1: that has to do with his plant foot uh from

1213
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: It's not gonna make sense to you guys, but that

1214
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: that's a that's a technique flaw, Um, that that you

1215
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: have to deal with and it's correctable. Um. I've I've

1216
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: seen him kicking practice. I was pretty impressed with him.

1217
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: Uh in the spring strong leg I've been around, you know,

1218
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: he's been in the league. Um, this is probably I

1219
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: think he came out in two fifteen and actually was

1220
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: on the Bengals team last year for one game when

1221
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: they're uh the guy that was here their kicker got hurt,

1222
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, the other guy. Um, they played one game

1223
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: here when um Josh Brown got suspended re member, they

1224
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: brought in um Ballard or Baller Bullock. Point is that

1225
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: he's uh, he's bounced around a little bit, but I

1226
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: think this is Aldrick's job to lose. And I think

1227
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: he's had a good camp and I think he's going

1228
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: to have a good year this year. I really do,

1229
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: I hope. So I just say last thing, I was

1230
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: just very impressed with both Red Allison and Wayne Gauman.

1231
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean I saw things that them doing things in

1232
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: practice that I've not seen him doing games, and it

1233
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: just makes me think that Ellison was maybe not used

1234
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: as well as that he should have been last year.

1235
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: And I'm just impressed with Guman and anxious to see

1236
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: what he can do in the game. So thanks, guys,

1237
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Head back to the phone lines.

1238
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: Pete is on Staten Island. Pete, what's happening man? Pete? Yeah,

1239
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say there's one you never get. You never

1240
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: get anything for me. How you doing? All right? There

1241
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: you go? You should go opportunitists. You gotta all right.

1242
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: I will try to tell yes my apologies. Yeah, anyway,

1243
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, I was listening to give phone quote a

1244
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh just see you, just to give you

1245
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: a heads up yet. Davin Cook seventy four attempts three

1246
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: fifty four four point eight two d d S eleven

1247
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: receptions ninety yards so for touches and it roughly comes

1248
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: out to about twenty eight touches. Okay, and he was

1249
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: third in league um overall and unsilver yardage off of

1250
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: I want to say, they say well for four games,

1251
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: but he only played like, uh what a quarter and

1252
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: a half. Yeah, he got hurt. He got hurt in

1253
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: that fifth game of the season. I mean, he was

1254
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: very productive early in the year. It was an unfortunate

1255
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: injury given how well they were utilizing him. So you know,

1256
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: that's why I said, if we had a full sample size,

1257
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: I think that'd be a good comparison for maybe how

1258
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: Barkley's utilized, because then it really became a two headed

1259
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: monster for the Vikings the rest of the year. That

1260
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: is correct, all right, now, night night night. That The

1261
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: reason I called in today and I probably wore yesterday

1262
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: was Holy Dots have mentioned to need it, you know,

1263
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: with the final cuts. Okay, we were talking about the

1264
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: waiver wire and he was saying something about that the

1265
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: Giants and number two to the Browns, right, correct, But

1266
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: there were only number two. If a player has four

1267
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: years or left, yes, a vested experience over that it's

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00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: open seasons that correct. That is correct, because vested veterans,

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00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: that's the term. They don't go through waivers once you

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Speaker 1: become a veteran with over four years, right, Jeff, Is

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00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: that what it is? Then you're basically you're free to

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00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: sign anywhere. If you're less than four years, you have

1273
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: to go through the waiver process. And the other thing

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00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: I want to clarify, by the way, and I'm glad

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00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: you brought this up, Pete. The waiver wire rules. It's

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00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: the order of the draft through week three of the

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00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: NFL regular season. After week three, it goes to the

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00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: standings currently, So the Giants have the number two spot

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00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: through week three of the n FEEL regular season. After

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01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: week three, it's gonna be depended on how the Giants

1281
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: fair in the first two or three games of the season.

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01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Okay, you know all these websites, you know

1283
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: that now, anything you save yourself some time and headache. Yeah, absolutely,

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01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: I'll do anything either. No, but at any rate, Because

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01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: some Puce and I were just discussing it, and I

1286
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: was telling them, you know, they kept saying, well, the

1287
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: Giants hapt the number two, and I kept going back

1288
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: to Poli and I was telling him that is not

1289
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: the case. Look it up. You know it's four years

1290
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: of less and act. Well they were right, they were right,

1291
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: meaning they do have the number two spot. But you

1292
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: just have to know whether or not a player classifies

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01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: to go through waivers. So I mean you you aren't

1294
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: getting wrong information, Pete. It was just you have to

1295
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: determine is the player of vested veteran or is he

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01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: nonvested veteran. That's the difference. Yeah, exactly, all right, Well

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Speaker 1: you know the way I see. You know a lot

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01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: of guys are talking, but you don't forget about that.

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01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: But tonight you know what he is. What I'm looking for,

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: looking for Davis to have a good night, a bounce

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01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: back game or hopefully and uh as far as what

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01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: you guys are talking about the free shafety, I really

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01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: would like to see Adams getting a shot here. Um.

1304
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: I don't know about being a starter or whatever. As

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01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: far as death, because Thompson's like you said, what were

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01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: you saying yesterday? Jeff, you can't go to the pub,

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: and you know you're the can make the pub in

1308
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: the you can well you can always listen to you

1309
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: can always go to the pub. You know that you

1310
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: can always go to the pub. In fact, you can't

1311
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: make the club going to the pub. And you also

1312
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: you also can't make the club in the tub. That's

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: a good lot. And do it like that, Jeff, you

1314
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: can't make the club and you can't make the club

1315
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: in the tub. There you go, we're adding to the list. Yeah. Anyway,

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01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, if he can't be like Jeff,

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01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: you just you just talked about it. If you can't

1318
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: be on the field, I think you'd be on the field, Philly.

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01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: But it does, honestly that, you know what. It's a

1320
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: shame too because he did show some talent well healthy

1321
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: well they and they see that in him. But the

1322
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: downside is, like to any player, you have to be

1323
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: able to be reliable and to be accountable, and you've

1324
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: got to be If you can't be on the on

1325
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: the on the field, I can't you can't help my

1326
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: team win, so I can't help you on the roster.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Pete, Al Pete chatting with you. I'm gonna speak

1328
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: all right now, Let's go to what many people would say,

1329
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: saving the best for last. That's not the case when

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01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: it comes to Big Blue Kickoff Live. Charlie's in Portland band. Charlie.

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Speaker 1: What's happening? Hey, Jeff? How we do Charlie? Do it

1332
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: all right? Could be better? But it's okay. Hey. I

1333
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: get a couple of things. Um. One thing is that

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01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: the reason why they were talking about Eric Flowers not

1335
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: doing so well uh in training in camp against Detroit

1336
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: is because we said that they didn't report that. No,

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01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm giving you the report you've given us so far.

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01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: You were there. My apologies. How did I overlook this fact?

1339
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: That's right, you were. You were on the sidelines of

1340
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: my mistake. I'm sorry. Cannard had gone by Flowers twice

1341
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: for a fac I mean, Card was on our team

1342
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: and he was not an you know, all pro pro

1343
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: bowl player, and Flowers is turning him into a pro

1344
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: bowled player. And uh, he went by him twice for

1345
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: sax is during these practices. So there's Eric Flowers are

1346
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: weak link on the right side. And if we don't

1347
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: get a right tackling here, I'm telling you, it's gonna

1348
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: be He's going to be a disaster for us. And

1349
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: I know, Jeff, you're saying there's nobody better than him

1350
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: on this team right now, I don't I don't know

1351
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: about that. Who guys, Charlie, who who's better than anybody

1352
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: is better than him? Charlie, it right, tackle, that's right, yeah, Charlie.

1353
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: How do you fair? How do you fare against Devon Conard?

1354
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: I want I want to see you go up against

1355
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: Devon nd. I'm telling you at least trip them and

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01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: you'll be flagged for that to watch. I'll make sure

1357
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: the official is looking at you closely. Hey, if the

1358
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: other thing you were talking about, you were saying, like

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01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: drop passes, because they are a big deal. I didn't

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01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: say they weren't a big deal. No, but I what

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01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: I what I said was I didn't think that they

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01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: were plaguing the team across the board, where every single

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01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: player you could point to last year was making drops.

1364
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: I think a few were, in particular having to having trouble. Yeah. So,

1365
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: but but Charlie, if you were listening to the conversation

1366
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: Jeff and I were having with one of the allers,

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01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: you have a problem with the three things we prioritize

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01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: in the fact that we're putting that over drop passes. Yes,

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01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: you have, of course. Why am I not surprised so

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01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: you would put the drop passes over stopping the run,

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01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: running the football and executing in the red zone. That's

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01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: what you can argue with. What I would put is

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01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: I would put the offensive line is okay, well that's

1374
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: a that's a part of improving the run game. And

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01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: I think Jeff and I mentioned passing passes number two

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01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: because what happened and we had seven drop passes against

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01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: the Brown there were specific games. I'm with you, and

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01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: then also number three six last year, and I mean,

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01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: we can't keep dropped in these passes. I mean it's

1380
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: just like and the other thing is if we can

1381
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: stop the run, that's not going to help our defense

1382
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: because all I gonna do is throw the the tight

1383
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: end on third and nine and they'll complete it. Charlie's

1384
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: got an answer for everything. Are you married? Are you married? Charlie?

1385
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to we gotta get your

1386
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: wife on here one day. I would really love Charlie.

1387
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta put the phone guy. I want

1388
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: to find out how this works. I really like Charlie.

1389
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: Does your do you? Charlie does your better half? I

1390
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: can't believe she actually puts up with the fact that

1391
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: you have a shrine for will Beatie in the right

1392
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: corner of the house, like, how does she put up

1393
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: with that way to go? I'm sorry by then, why

1394
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 1: did you do that? My big mouth? Yeah? The truth

1395
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: is he was going. He went dropped passes, he went

1396
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: offensive line. I thought number three was gonna be will

1397
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: beat signing him, so I basically saved him from saying it,

1398
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, number three is a pass rush because

1399
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: we're not gonna have to worry about our secondary so

1400
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: much if we have a pass rush. Yeah, but if

1401
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: you stop the run my point did You're gonna help

1402
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: your pass rush. That's that's my point. So while you

1403
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: overlook stopping the run, I guarantee if you don't stop

1404
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: the run, us against the Brown didn't help us too much.

1405
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: Charlie lead it to Charlie. Charlie's breaking down a preseason

1406
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: game as if it's going to be indicative of what

1407
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: the starters are gonna do for all four quarters. What

1408
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying is we can't keep dropping passes and not

1409
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: be able to to cover tight end. I think that.

1410
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: I think that goes without saying right, but what are

1411
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: you looking for at tonight? What can we give me

1412
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: two things? And then we gotta go? I want two

1413
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: things you're looking at tonight quickly, I'm looking at Eric Flowers.

1414
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: Of course you are. This is why there's no point

1415
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: to ask you questions. Jeff, you know the answers before

1416
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: you ask question. Kyle, you know the backup quarterback. We

1417
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: need to score a point. You know how many points

1418
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: they scored? Yes, yeah, it was last night Pittsburgh in

1419
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: uh whoever the Green Bays toting. Yeah. Well, it also

1420
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: like to see us score at least thirty points. It

1421
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: also helps, Charlie when Mason Rudolph on the very first

1422
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: play throws a pick six to Tremont Williams. So you

1423
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: know that that that's how you get up there in

1424
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 1: the fifties turnovers. Yeah, yeah, Well I want to see

1425
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: some points. I want to watch her Flowers see how

1426
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: how he does, and then I want to see us

1427
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: score at least thirty points tonight. That's what I'm all right, Charlie. Well,

1428
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: I hope that all of your wishes come true. You

1429
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: got it, Charlie, And Monday we will. I mean, the

1430
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: anticipation for your call on Monday is just through the

1431
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: roof right now. I can't tell you how much I'm

1432
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna be looking forward to hearing from Charlie give us

1433
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: his take on the game. I bet Charlie in another

1434
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: life was an offensive lineman. That's what the problem was.

1435
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: That's what we get. And where was the offensive lineman

1436
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: at Joe Schmo's Community College or the Canadian It wasn't

1437
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: wasn't even there, not even it was the Canadian Community College.

1438
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: That's where he was the offensive life. Yeah, he was

1439
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: a guy that always wanted to play in the NFL,

1440
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: and then you thought he could. But he was well

1441
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: And that's why he's become a coach now, but a

1442
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: coach on the phone because nobody has been willing to

1443
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: put him within thirty miles of their team facility to

1444
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: actually teach their offensive Himan. So he's a coach through

1445
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: the phone. That's that's how he tries to get his

1446
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: message across. All right, In all seriousness, there is a

1447
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: preseason game tonight, seven oh five is going to be

1448
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: the kickoff. We're gonna have our pregame show on w

1449
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: CBS News Radio eight eighties start at six oh five,

1450
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: so you can tune into that, and then Jeff and

1451
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: I are gonna have a full postgame show immediately following

1452
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: the game. Also on w CBS News Radio eight eighty

1453
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: you can stay a lot the Giants not Com for

1454
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 1: all the latest news and notes. B b K will

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01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: be up and running again on Monday at one pm Eastern.

1456
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: We'll have a full recap of the game and more.

1457
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: Appreciate everybody for tuning in. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

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Speaker 1: For Jeff Eagles, I'm Lance Meadow. We'll speak to on

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Speaker 1: Monday right here on jihants dot com. I have a

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Speaker 1: going