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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noah.

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Speaker 4: They called me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 4: our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly,

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Speaker 4: you argue you are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 4: us the evening this listener mail program publishes, let us

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Speaker 4: be the first to welcome you to July twenty fourth.

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Speaker 4: It's happening, it's listener mail. We can't wait to share

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Speaker 4: do anything, guys, I think we have some housekeeping to do.

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Speaker 4: Remember several years ago, we were joking about a conspira cruise.

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Speaker 4: All these people were going on cruises and we, uh,

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Speaker 3: It's true I've never been on one. Ben, You're gonna,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna, You're gonna break the news.

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Speaker 4: So we have the breaking news. That's right, Dylan, Can

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Speaker 4: we get pre rude Bake, can we get a breaking

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Speaker 4: news sound cube. We don't have all the details yet,

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Speaker 4: but uh, stay tuned because it looks like Susan Bullen's

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Speaker 4: second favorite podcast may be going to the high seas. Uh.

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Speaker 4: For now, we are going to explore things around the world.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna talk about the weather in a couple of

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Speaker 4: different ways. We're going to talk about decoys, which is

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Speaker 4: just the way I say decoys. Now for some of

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Speaker 4: you saying, uh, we're gonna bust some myths that came

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Speaker 4: up in previous episodes, We're gonna have flares of a

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Speaker 3: Just incredible, staggering.

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Speaker 2: Just put it on repeat, baby, that was incredible.

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Speaker 3: I got and we have returned with a message from you. Yes, you.

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Speaker 3: In this case, the message is the messenger. It's from

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Speaker 3: the messenger anyway, and that's what the messenger has to say.

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Speaker 3: Good day, fellow conspiracy realists. You are welcome to use

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Speaker 3: my message and pseudonym on the air. Thank you the Messenger.

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Speaker 3: First off, I wanted to say how much I appreciate

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Speaker 3: on controversial topics. Thank you the Messenger. We do try

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Speaker 3: on your show. You often talk about the vilification of

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Speaker 3: recreational drug use. One thing doing I guess we do

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Speaker 3: They teach you how to do it. They present you've

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Speaker 3: can very safely say, Ben, with some certainty, that that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, scene setting, be careful, right, moderation in all things,

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Speaker 4: even moderation. Shout out dead pres and Dylan. This may

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Speaker 4: disclose to us that quote for silly reasons. He did

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Speaker 4: Right, how do we quantify. We need some brain studies,

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Speaker 4: you landing on this? Are you for it? Are you

434
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Speaker 4: against it? Is it a more information needed situation for you? Well?

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Speaker 2: As far as the robotic bunnies go, it does make

436
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: me think of a certain video game franchise where there

437
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: are robotic animals all about you guys, remember this one HORIZONO.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right with You're sort of like a like

439
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 3: a futuristic Native people kind of situation. That was a

440
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Speaker 3: fun one, yeah, very beautiful.

441
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Speaker 2: And in that world, humanity creates robotic versions of many

442
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Speaker 2: of the primary animals to carry out the tasks that

443
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: the now extinct biological animals would have done. In this case,

444
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: the little robotic bunnies are simply being used to get

445
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: the pythons to a specific area where someone who is

446
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 2: trained to get a python. And theoretically, at least the

447
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: way it's shown with the Python challenge, dispatch it once

448
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: you once you encounter a Python. But you know, very

449
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Speaker 2: different from Horizon zero, don But it is still weird

450
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Speaker 2: to think that we would need something like this, or

451
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Speaker 2: we could even make use of something like this to

452
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Speaker 2: any real effect, I guess. But it does seem to

453
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Speaker 2: be working, though we don't know exactly how well yet.

454
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Speaker 4: Right because it's still it's still early days or initial

455
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 4: hops at this point, it does we do see some

456
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 4: interesting comparisons. Big Loop, you may have also clocked this, uh,

457
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 4: you know, in in theory where I guess in principle,

458
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 4: this is not that different from a scarecrow, right, You're

459
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Speaker 4: impersonating another thing in a natural environment to induce a behavior.

460
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Speaker 4: I've got to I've got to share this thing with you, guys,

461
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 4: the US Army has deployed plastic coyotes on four wheelers.

462
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Speaker 4: To let me put it in the chat, you'll love

463
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 4: this picture in an effort to uh disperse wildlife. And

464
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: these are just spoiler, they're not as good as the rabbits. Actually,

465
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Speaker 4: let me just share this so you guys can see

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Speaker 4: the picture and react to it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Oh wow, do you guys see it? Wow, that's

468
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Speaker 3: like something from a sketch comedy situation. They're like those Yeah,

469
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Speaker 3: they're they're like the really bad plastic decoys, but they're

470
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Speaker 3: on like these go kart things that is.

471
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Speaker 4: Like lawnmowers, like coyote themed lawnmowers. And apparently because of

472
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: the visual queue and again this will tie back to

473
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Speaker 4: the rabbits because of the movement, it can induce this behavior.

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Speaker 4: Do we know whether this will be deployed in other

475
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Speaker 4: parts of the US, thinking specifically of South Georgia?

476
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Speaker 2: Maybe do we know this?

477
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Speaker 4: We don't.

478
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: Okay, but we do not know this, but that would

479
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: be a great idea. You can see images of them.

480
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: They several times they've been deployed, at least visually here

481
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Speaker 2: from USA today, they've been deployed inside these little plastic

482
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Speaker 2: containers where you can see the movements of these little

483
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Speaker 2: robotic bunnies. And then it's kind of like a trap

484
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Speaker 2: set up where the python could get in there and

485
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Speaker 2: wrap itself around the little robotic bunny, but he would

486
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Speaker 2: get stuck inside. That's when you'd have the professional come

487
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 2: out and dispatch the snake. But guys, the biggest thing,

488
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Speaker 2: I think we've talked about it before, but the Florida

489
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: Python Challenge. Yes, the twenty twenty five version of it

490
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: just ended on July twentieth at five pm. But this

491
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Speaker 2: is a crazy thing where the folks in Florida decided, Hey,

492
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Speaker 2: we're gonna get together and for a brief period of

493
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Speaker 2: time this time it was from July eleventh to the twentieth,

494
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Speaker 2: we're gonna challenge people to register for this thing and

495
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Speaker 2: then go out and kill as many pythons as they

496
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Speaker 2: possibly can, and the winner is going to get ten

497
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Speaker 2: thousand buckeroos. Pretty great.

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Speaker 4: Well, well yes for now, yes, asterisk caveat because this

499
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Speaker 4: reminds me immediately, can't be the only one of what's

500
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Speaker 4: called a perverse incentive or the cobra effect. If you

501
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 4: remember that story, that's when there was such a problem

502
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Speaker 4: with cobras in parts of India that people were they

503
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: essentially issued something like the Python Challenge in a couple

504
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Speaker 4: of regions, and the idea was that there would be

505
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Speaker 4: a bounty on cobras, so the more you kill, the

506
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Speaker 4: more money you get per cobra.

507
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Speaker 3: Had just started like pumping out cobras so that they

508
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Speaker 3: could like collect the bounty. And it was like a

509
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Speaker 3: problem that kind of exacerbated itself or it made a

510
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Speaker 3: new problem. It was a solution to a previous problem

511
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Speaker 3: that became an even bigger problem, a.

512
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Speaker 4: Perverse incentive, So there there's a non zero chance that

513
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Speaker 4: this could happen with a Florida Python Challenge. Well, still, overall,

514
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Speaker 4: it's a good thing.

515
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Speaker 2: It's been hailed as the quote most effective management strategy

516
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: in the history of the issue, according to that's a

517
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Speaker 2: quote by Mike Kirkland, an animal biologist, the history of

518
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Speaker 2: the issue. Yeah, invasive pythons in Florida, and it's a

519
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: fascinating thing. You can head on over to Flpython Challenge

520
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Speaker 2: dot org to learn about the challenge and the winners

521
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: every year and all kinds of good stuff like that.

522
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Speaker 2: The biggest thing. To your point, Ben, like, could this

523
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: get out of control? Well, just head on over to

524
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Speaker 2: the Florida Python Challenge competition rules page, which includes everything

525
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: you need to know to get registered and all of

526
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: the different rules per location, and all the different rules

527
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: for how to dispatch with the thing, and it's it's

528
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: pretty intense and it's a lot. So hopefully you couldn't

529
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: get around all the red tape to just bring in

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Speaker 2: a bunch of pythons.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, pythons are so cool. I mean, if

532
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 4: you could raise enough of them to the cobra effect,

533
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: check out. That's an episode of ridiculous history. Check it out.

534
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: If you could raise enough of them to goose the

535
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Speaker 4: numbers and still make a profit from winning the competition.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how expensive is it to grow pythons

537
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 4: at scale? I bet at scale? Sorry, I bet somebody knows. Also,

538
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: Matt Politics aside that python football looks sick.

539
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, yeah, yes, python skin football. Everybody, you can

540
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: look at that too. Just sad on over to the

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Speaker 2: Python Challenge sh dream, guys. I've got one more message,

542
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: and we're not going to get fully into it because

543
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: it's way too much to unpacking one of these. I

544
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: hereby suggest we do a full episode on it. I

545
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: think we've had enough time now to do some real

546
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: digging into the subjects. So let's hear quickly from the

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Speaker 2: Lord of Enjoyment.

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Speaker 7: Hello, the Lord of Enjoyment, also known as Millennial Truck

549
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 7: or her. I wanted you guys to talk about the

550
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 7: whole thing with the last flood in Texas where water

551
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 7: went through the camp and everything, and how allegedly they

552
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Speaker 7: did cloud seating right in that area, like within two

553
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Speaker 7: days prior, and the company literally being called rain Maker,

554
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Speaker 7: and I'm saying that they had no effect on it,

555
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 7: but it's like, come on, the company is called Rainmaker,

556
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Speaker 7: You're doing cloud seating right where that catastrophic flood happens,

557
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Speaker 7: like within two days.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: So you guys would like talking about that. Interested to

560
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 7: see what you guys say.

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00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 6: Thank you?

562
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: Enjoy?

563
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we will enjoy.

564
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: It's been on my mind too, man.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

566
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a really tragic subject. It's another one

567
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: of those things that has been heavily politicized. If you

568
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Speaker 2: search around on the Internet, you will see all sorts

569
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Speaker 2: of colorful political figures out there saying things like, oh,

570
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Speaker 2: this is clearly done by cloud seating, including Michael Flynn

571
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Speaker 2: and just look up who that is. Uh, there are

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00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: lots of people out there in prominent positions putting forth

573
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Speaker 2: this concept that cloud seating that we've discussed many times

574
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Speaker 2: on this show had a direct effect on the flooding

575
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Speaker 2: that occurred in Texas there and we found a bunch

576
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Speaker 2: of links. We found a bunch of stories about this.

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Speaker 2: Specifically one person named Augustus d Rico who has a company.

578
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Speaker 2: This twenty five year old man has a company called

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Speaker 2: rain Maker that specifically does cloud seating in that area.

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Speaker 2: And you can even find I've got it right here

581
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: their official US Department of Commerce, National Oceanic and Atmospheric

582
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Speaker 2: Administration NOAA Form seventeen to four, where they talk about

583
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Speaker 2: specifically where they were cloud seating just a couple of

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Speaker 2: days before the floods, Which does make you go if

585
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Speaker 2: you are at all attuned to look for this kind

586
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: of stuff, it gives you pause and it makes you go, wow,

587
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: that's weird. So you can understand why people like Michael

588
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: Flynn and prominent human beings are saying things like this.

589
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, is there actual evidence that

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Speaker 2: cloud seating of this type could have an effect. That's

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Speaker 2: when you go to the meteorologists who are all saying

592
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: probably no, actually yeah, definitely know. But at the same time,

593
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: it's very weird. So I suggest we dive deep into

594
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: this and talk about it at length.

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Speaker 3: Agreed.

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00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, because this concept has been resurrected with the recent news,

597
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: but there's a lot more past the headlines, and I

598
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 4: think you make an excellent point about the danger of

599
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Speaker 4: politicization there. While we're working on that episode, folks, please

600
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Speaker 4: check out our earlier episode from a few years back. Well,

601
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Speaker 4: I can't remember how long ago can human beings create disaster?

602
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Speaker 4: The science there is pretty solid. Cloud seeding is a

603
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Speaker 4: real thing. We've talked about it. It's been deployed in

604
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Speaker 4: multiple places. We'll get into the history again. We'll talk

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Speaker 4: about some of the real world cloud seeding conspiracies, such

606
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Speaker 4: as in China and Southeast Asia, especially during the Indo

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Speaker 4: China and Vietnam con in Thank You So Much, Lore

608
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 4: of Enjoyment. Yeah, we're on the case. I feel like

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Speaker 4: scruff McGruff. Yeah.

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00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because in our previous explorations, we don't want

611
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: to spoil it. Go listen to the episode. But what

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00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: we came away from that was that cloud seating itself

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00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: isn't going to create the storm situation. No, right, But

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Speaker 2: theoretically could cloud seating when that area that has been

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Speaker 2: seated encounters a weather front that is a large storm

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Speaker 2: that is going to drop water. Could that affect the

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Speaker 2: amount of water that actually falls in that specific area

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Speaker 2: That I don't know the answer to. So that's what

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Speaker 2: we're going to be exploring.

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Speaker 4: I think, yeah, agreed, It's more like, is this a

621
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Speaker 4: buff or an enhancement and if so, to what degree.

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Speaker 4: Another thing that a lot of the headlines are missing

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Speaker 4: right now the basics of weather modification or cloud seeding

624
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: in particular, is that it is is a very imperfect

625
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: science at this point, at least the stuff we can

626
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 4: publicly prove exists, and people are forgetting that weather is

627
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 4: a gestaltic thing. It is all one interconnected system across

628
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 4: the planet. You are beat me here, Dylan. Nobody is

629
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Speaker 4: making newking water. They're taking it from somewhere else. And

630
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: when why can't we make more water? That would solve everything?

631
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Speaker 4: That face economy is a religion. Unfortunately, I'm with you, know,

632
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 4: but because you're subtracting and adding from different things. Because

633
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Speaker 4: you're essentially moving things around, you could affect weather in

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Speaker 4: very unintended ways. You could, for instance, let's say this

635
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Speaker 4: way like with weather fronts or with moving air currents

636
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Speaker 4: and stuff. You could say, we're modifying the weather in

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Speaker 4: someplace that is not Texas, has nothing to do with

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Speaker 4: Texas in the minds of the rain Makers, but because

639
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 4: of this interconnected system, it ends up affecting a different place.

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Speaker 4: This is just bitballing. This is actually you know what, Sorry, guys,

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Speaker 4: I'm turning it into an advertisement for an episode I'm

642
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 4: already very excited about.

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Speaker 3: Yes, me too, dude.

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Speaker 2: Everyone in preparation for this episode, go back and watch

645
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Speaker 2: the film The rain Maker. Not the nineteen ninety seven

646
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Speaker 2: Matt Damon Danny DeVito hit, but the nineteen fifty six

647
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Speaker 2: ultra smash film The rain Maker featuring Catherine Hepburn and

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Speaker 2: Bert Lancaster. It's beautiful. It's about a man that says

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Speaker 2: he can, you know, do things with the weather. It's

650
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: worth your time.

651
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 4: Oh man, do we do a dowsing episode? I swear

652
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 4: we did.

653
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: We talked about it during an episode where it's a

654
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: bunch of things together, I think.

655
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I've still mystified by that. Let us go

656
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 4: dowsing is real too. And while you're on the internet

657
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 4: following that's excellent recommendation. Of course, check out the rain

658
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 4: King by counting crows. I'm so sorry, guys, Okay, I

659
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: know there are a lot of references. Well, we're marathon

660
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 4: recording today, but I was stuck in a place for

661
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 4: a second recently where the only audio I had access

662
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: to was accounting crows CD. We don't have to get

663
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 4: into it, but that's where all these references are coming from.

664
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I'm with you recovering the satellite. It's huge

665
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: for me.

666
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: I'm in Durant's recovery right now. Guys, one day at

667
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 4: a time.

668
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

669
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: And also, you know, we it's not lost on to

670
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: the tragedy that you know all of this the reason

671
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: why we're talking about this absolutely so do keep that

672
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 2: in mind in your travels throughout. And you can also

673
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: see why that tragedy would fuel such political turmoil. Just

674
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: the subject alone and.

675
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 4: The and the other I think, well said Matt. And

676
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: the other big question here is a question of precedent, right,

677
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: what will happen in the future as well. How can

678
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 4: we as civilization better prepare ourselves for these situations?

679
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: Yep, as we've got more. I was looking at the

680
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: forecast as we're recording this on Monday, July twenty first,

681
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 2: there is a ton of water set to come down

682
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: across the northeast and part of the southeast too. So

683
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Speaker 2: just everybody stay vigilant. And that's all for me. Thank

684
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: you so much, Big Luke, Thank you so much, Lord

685
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: of Enjoyment.

686
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: We'll take a break for a word from our sponsors

687
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: and we'll return. And we have returned. Let's stay with

688
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: the weather for a moment here. We recently republished an

689
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 4: episode that I think we all enjoyed with a sort

690
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 4: of grabby title Mass Solar Excitability Slaves to the Sun,

691
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 4: in which we, uh, it's part of our exploration on

692
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 4: how weather may influence or affect the behavior of living organisms.

693
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

694
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Speaker 4: And you know, this being the kind of show that

695
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 4: it is, we focused on humans, immensely fascinating species. Four

696
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: out of five, I would say, four out of five stars.

697
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: The humans, I'm gonna go lower. They will go lower.

698
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: Are you telling are their early work?

699
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

700
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: A couple hundred years.

701
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it a three five.

702
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: Guys, great tough, all right, but that's why we make

703
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: a good team. And joining the team this evening is

704
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: the called as the first off great name five out

705
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 4: of five notes.

706
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Speaker 3: You say, I'm gonnaive it a three five. I'm just

707
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: kidding it.

708
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 4: Man tough? Uh cow caught you say?

709
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 6: Hey?

710
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Speaker 4: Ben, Matt and Noel loved the episode, as well as

711
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: the mail about solar activity affecting human behavior. It's a

712
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 4: super intriguing idea, and I can see why it grabs

713
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: people's attention. There are some weird correlations out there. For example,

714
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 4: some studies have noticed small spikes in anxiety or sleep

715
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: disruption during geomagnetic storms. If you even suggested a slight

716
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 4: increase in heart attacks or hospital visits during solar flare activity,

717
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: and then you've got older theories from folks like Alexander Czewski.

718
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: Nice reference there Cacau, who claimed wars and revolutions peaked

719
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 4: during sunspot maximums. Interesting stuff. But here's the thing, says Cacau,

720
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Speaker 4: none of it holds up to real scientific scrutiny. Most

721
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 4: of the research is either outdated, inconsistent, or just playing

722
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 4: correlation without causation. No one has been able to show

723
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 4: that solar activity directly causes any of these things. The

724
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: data just doesn't support it in a reliable way. Still

725
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 4: the fun rabbit hole. I appreciate you guys giving it

726
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 4: some aretime. That balance of curiosity and skepticism is why

727
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: I keep coming back. I love that reference that. I

728
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: love that you're referencing Alex here and I hate to

729
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 4: admit it, but we are ethically required to. Yeah, the

730
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: data is not supporting a lot of Chevsky or Chizevski's arguments.

731
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 4: Not but it feels like it does. It really feels

732
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: like it does. This guy was so smart. He is

733
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 4: the founder of helio biology, which is exactly what we're

734
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 4: talking about.

735
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: With smart.

736
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, the study of the sun's effect on biology. I

737
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 4: don't know. I feel like the weather does affect people.

738
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 4: I think it's a matter of scale.

739
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: Well, I know the heat affects me. I know this firsthand,

740
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 2: very recently. Just how much it puts me in a

741
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: sore mood.

742
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 4: Gosh, you went through two weeks of soup, bro.

743
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: I did interior and exterior. You couldn't get away from

744
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: the soup. You're just in it.

745
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 4: Oh Yeah, it was funny that you. First off, I'm glad.

746
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 4: I'm so happy that situation has has improved. And I

747
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 4: got to tell you guys, when I got back recently,

748
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 4: it hit me.

749
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Speaker 3: I forgot.

750
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Speaker 4: I forgot just how intense it is here at this

751
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: time of year.

752
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: Today it's like ninety five right now, even at night.

753
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: It's rude.

754
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 4: It's just rude, offensive, It insists upon itself. I've also,

755
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 4: as we know, I'm very anti son. I think it

756
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 4: had its day, but it does seem like something We're

757
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 4: going to returned to this conversation about solar flares and

758
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: their possible effects upon human behavior at scale. And the

759
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: reason this is going to come up again. We're predicting

760
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: this is because we are entering a solar maximum. You guys,

761
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 4: remember this, it's coming up.

762
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 2: Yep.

763
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: Doesn't sound good. I don't think I know about the

764
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: solar maximum, but I would not be surprised if we

765
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: are in it. We're approaching it.

766
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: This is one of those examples we love on this show.

767
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 4: It's one of those great weird things about existing in

768
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: this galactic neighborhood that everybody like, we figured it out

769
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: and we just kind of accept it. We don't know

770
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: why it happens. We can't control it, we can't do

771
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 4: deadly about it, so we just sort of ignore that.

772
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 4: Every eleven years, at the height of the solar cycle,

773
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 4: the Sun's magnetic poles they just flip.

774
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: Yep and this weird stuff. Hey, if you head on

775
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: over spaceweather dot com right now, you'll learn about the

776
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: little sunspots that are just hanging out low solar activity.

777
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: But each one of those sun spots have a pretty

778
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: good percent chance of sending out one of those X

779
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: flares that we've talked about on the show before that

780
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: do terrible things if the magnet If our magnetosphere happens

781
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: to be pushed away by enough of the solar energy

782
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: like the wind, it's no wonder. Solar biology is a

783
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: thing because you see what tremendous effect all the different

784
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 2: things that the Sun puts out can have on the planet.

785
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: Why would it not have an effect on each individual,

786
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: little buggy sized thing walking around on it?

787
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: That's us.

788
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels true right also, I guess so I

789
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 4: get so excited. I almost have like a feeling about this.

790
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: You know, roll the dice Sun versus people. Let's go right,

791
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 4: It is true though that that's a great point about

792
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 4: the CMEs. The sun spots. These sun spots are cooler

793
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 4: and darker areas on the surface of the Sun, and

794
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 4: they proliferate during the solar maximum, which means that there

795
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 4: is a higher amount of solar activity, which means first

796
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: humans can learn more about what happens on the Sun,

797
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 4: the closest star. But it also means, as you said,

798
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 4: the likelihood of possible Shenanigans increases. CMEs like the thing

799
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 4: that brought down part of Canada's electric grid back in

800
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties. This stuff can happen. There's no way

801
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: to prevent it.

802
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: Yea well, and it's crazy too because it's fascinating subject.

803
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm so glad we did those past episodes because guys,

804
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: I haven't stopped thinking about the Sun on a daily

805
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: basis now, and I literally I wear Outweather dot Com.

806
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: They're like, stop coming here, you're using too much traffic. Yeah, seriously,

807
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: Because the CME that we're talking about here that we've

808
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: discussed in the past, the actual like plasma stuff that

809
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: the Sun can shoot out at Earth if it happens

810
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: to just exactly line up with where the Earth is

811
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: gonna be when that stuff, you know, lands in the

812
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: position of where the Earth is gonna be. But the

813
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: X flares and stuff, I'm I think about those sun

814
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: spots as little geysers of potentiality.

815
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: They're just waiting.

816
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: They that each one has like a percentage chance of

817
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: shooting out just a ton of energy, not even a cme,

818
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: just a bunch of solar energy. Right, and uh, the

819
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: current one has guys an unstable beta gamma magnetic field,

820
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 2: and there's a ten percent chance that an X flare

821
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: is gonna break the quiet shootout.

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00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: I think of it. A similar analogy would be pimples. Ooh,

823
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Yeah, sometimes it just pos

824
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: Sometimes they go away, right. I don't have much personal

825
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 4: experience with that, but that's a way that I understand it.

826
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Speaker 4: If you think of the Sun's surface like a like

827
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 4: a skin, the sphere of skin, nothing weird. We also

828
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: we also know that to your question here, Cacau, we

829
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 4: know that there are specific ways in which solar activity

830
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 4: does demonstrably affect human and animal behavior. It may not

831
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 4: be quite on the level of what our buddy Alex

832
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: was arguing for, but we know, for instance, that after

833
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 4: being deprived of sunlight for some certain threshold of time,

834
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: people will experience a lowering of mood. They'll tend to

835
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 4: be more depressed, they'll have they'll be sad, whatever that means.

836
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 4: But there's also a seasonal effective dis or. That's why

837
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 4: in some countries closer to the polls, school children have

838
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 4: regular doses of ultraviolet light. You can look this up.

839
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 4: The studies are there, and it's actually pretty cool. We

840
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 4: also know that, of course, the heat makes people crazy.

841
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 4: There's a reason crime sometimes. It's part of the reason

842
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 4: crime often tends to go up in US cities during

843
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 4: the summer. Another part is that people aren't in school.

844
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: I'm pointing out not to be an arc. We also

845
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 4: know that, in addition to happiness or sadness or self

846
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: reported experiences of those states, we know that the weather

847
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 4: and the activity of the sun has played a tremendous

848
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 4: role in the history of human civilization. Oh the eclipse.

849
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 4: God is mad. Time to kill some POWs, right, Oh

850
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 4: a soul or flair? God is happy or God is mad.

851
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 4: Let's argue about what that means.

852
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: Yep, mercury is retrograding. Awe, snap, whatever thing you gotta do,

853
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: or just blame it on Mercury.

854
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: Just gotta watch out.

855
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, officer. As you know, Mercury is in retrograde.

856
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 4: And I assure you I don't know this python. It

857
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 4: was in the car when I got here.

858
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: His name is Monty.

859
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: Understand, Guys, I'm still in space weather. Can we do

860
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: a whole episode on this new interstellar object because our

861
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: boy Avy Loeb is back in business.

862
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, av's doing some good work on this.

863
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 4: And the answer officially is absolutely not. We got too

864
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 4: close last time. No, yeah, we absolutely, We absolutely will

865
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 4: and we actually know some folks who work with AVI,

866
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 4: so we'll check in with them as well.

867
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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: It is big news spaces endlessly fascinating and equal parts horrified.

869
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Speaker 4: Right when you get out into the ink and you

870
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Speaker 4: realize how unpredictable a seemingly predictable universe can be.

871
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Speaker 2: Dude, do you see how close it's coming to Mars.

872
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: It looks like it's doing a flyby of Mars to

873
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Speaker 2: check how things are going down there, right, It's it's crazy.

874
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: It's zero point one nine astronomical units, which is the

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Speaker 2: distance average distance between the Earth and the Sun. Yeah,

876
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Speaker 2: zero point one nine. That's hella close.

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Speaker 4: Very close. Also, depending on what kind of surveillance gear

878
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Speaker 4: may or may not be a board. Just think about,

879
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 4: you know, the puny human surveillance gear and the ability

880
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 4: to see billions of years into the past. So what

881
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 4: could this thing see if it had better in technology

882
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 4: or it's just a random rock, like Orgey said, we're

883
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 4: in a very sleepyighborhood.

884
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: That's it.

885
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: That's all it is. And it's positioning the Sun so

886
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: that it is almost exactly between uh, the Sun is

887
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: in between it and us, so that we can't like

888
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 2: fully observe it when it's doing this thing with Mars.

889
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: What the hell?

890
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know he talks like that, just like

891
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: in conversation, like, what the hell yeah, Tim, Tim Robbins,

892
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: he's the best.

893
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 4: He does. Yeah. They told me that at a dinner.

894
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 4: So we have much more to get to. You can

895
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 4: tell where all as the South says, hats up about

896
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 4: solar flares and solar activity and interstellar objects.

897
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Speaker 3: So we're gonna I think we can sum it all

898
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Speaker 3: up with the quote from Vivis and butthead just to

899
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: say the sun sucks, you know, but it also is, like,

900
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: you know, the source of all life fine, mixed bag fine.

901
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 4: Uh so, okay, my bias is showing. Uh tune into,

902
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 4: uh to tune in to hear that it's going to

903
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 4: be a grab bag episode. As I was saying, there's

904
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 4: so much more to explore. Please check out the previous

905
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Speaker 4: episodes we mentioned before we sign off this evening, we

906
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Speaker 4: do want to air an important clarification okay, previously on

907
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Speaker 4: stuff they don't want you to know. In pheromones versus humans,

908
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 4: we mentioned one of the big inspiration studies for what

909
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 4: people would later call the study of human pheromones, and

910
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 4: it was a scientist named mcclitlock who believed that her

911
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 4: dormmates in college, all of whom were female identifying, had

912
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 4: a syncing up of schedules with their menstrual cycle. So

913
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: we didn't really co sign this, but we did have

914
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 4: to mention that was the study that kind of launched

915
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 4: a thousand ships of scientific inquiry. And then later there

916
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 4: was this huge back and forth about just the concept

917
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 4: of menstrual cycles, but the concept of human pheromones overall

918
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 4: and what role with any they might play in communication.

919
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 4: Do check it out. It's a really crazy expiration that

920
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 4: we went on. We also heard from several people like Della.

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Speaker 4: Here's what you said, Della. Hi, guys from Beautiful Alaska. Again,

922
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 4: I just listened to the Pheromones episode and wanted to

923
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 4: pass on the period sinking myth has been debunked and

924
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 4: to our note, thoroughly so. And Della you say, here

925
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Speaker 4: are a couple of articles. Thanks for continuing to teach

926
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Speaker 4: and entertain. I am also bonus credit to us from Della.

927
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Speaker 4: I am attaching a picture of my daughter's cats, Kepler

928
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Speaker 4: and Rocket, who definitely didn't have anything to do with

929
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Speaker 4: our neighbors shop fire free, our boys free, Kepler free Rocket.

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Speaker 2: Wait, but if there are sinists, we maybe should do

931
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Speaker 2: something about this.

932
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: Do you catch what kind of robot animal do we

933
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 4: build to catch a feline arsenist?

934
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: I bet a rabbit would work.

935
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 4: You know, we've already got the rabbits.

936
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Speaker 3: I mean, all felines are their own kinds of arsenists,

937
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 3: the very least terrorists.

938
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly, they're the fire starters. So we wanted

939
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 4: to share this because we do think it's important. When

940
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 4: we're talking about studies, especially studies in the past that

941
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 4: have proven controversial, we're often talking about their place in history,

942
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 4: their place in what we call the discourse right or

943
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 4: the canon, and these kinds of studies can oftentimes be

944
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 4: important for the inquiry. They inspire more so than their

945
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 4: singular results or their singular conclusions. So if you want

946
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 4: to learn more about the current the current state of

947
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 4: this inquiry, you can go to places like healthline dot com.

948
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 4: There's an excellent article in The Atlantic, why the Myth

949
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 4: of period Sinking Won't go Away, by Ashley Fetters. New

950
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 4: York Times has written about this, The Myth of period Sinking.

951
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 4: That's by Jim Gunter. And if you want to save

952
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 4: a little bit of time and just get the straight poop,

953
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 4: then you can go to Snopes, and Snopes is still

954
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 4: pretty fire at a lot of this stuff. Do menstrual

955
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 4: cycles synchronize when women live together? Snopes considers it unproven.

956
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 4: And the prevailing thought, which is mentioned throughout the literature

957
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 4: is that the conclusion of that menstrual cycles will sync

958
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 4: up is more than likely a result of human bias

959
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 4: and statistical coincidence. And it's it again. It's a thing

960
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 4: that if you just look at the headline, feels like

961
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: it could be true. And what we take from this

962
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 4: in all these examples we've explored tonight is just because

963
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: something sounds like it could be or even should be

964
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 4: true does not make that the case. So thank you

965
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 4: Della for setting the record straight. Thank you to everybody

966
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 4: who wrote with a similar response to Della's. Thank you

967
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 4: to the Cacao Cornosua. It's a big loop, the Lord

968
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,480
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973
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974
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975
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976
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