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Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm

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Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky listener Discretion is advised known

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Speaker 1: as the Gray Ghost, the USS Hornet is one of

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Speaker 1: the most important ships in American military history. During World

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Speaker 1: War II, the aircraft carrier participated in some of the

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Speaker 1: most significant Pacific theater military action of the entire war,

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Speaker 1: including the Battle of the Philippine Sea, during which the

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Speaker 1: Hornet shot down seventy two enemy planes in a single day,

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Speaker 1: and the Battle of Leyte Gulf, the largest naval battle

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Speaker 1: in modern history. But with that history comes a heavy legacy.

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Speaker 1: The ship, known today as the USS Hornet, is actually

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Speaker 1: the eighth US naval ship to hold the name Hornet,

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Speaker 1: and the history of what came before is a lot

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Speaker 1: to bear. The previous iteration of the USS Hornet sank

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Speaker 1: in battle, taking one hundred and forty men down to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean with her. Today, the USS

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Speaker 1: Hornet is permanently docked in Alameda, California, and is a land,

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Speaker 1: sea and air museum. It's also widely believed to be

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Speaker 1: the most haunted ship in the Navy, full of both

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Speaker 1: friendly sailors taking care of the boat they loved and

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Speaker 1: restless spirits of those who died of horrific injuries doing

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Speaker 1: some of the most dangerous work in the world. More

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Speaker 1: than three hundred lives were lost aboard while she was

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Speaker 1: commissioned as an active ship, including according to some, the

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Speaker 1: highest rate of suicide in the Navy. Who is staying

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Speaker 1: behind on the USS Hornet? Why do they choose to

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Speaker 1: stay and do those lives lost on her namesake contribute

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Speaker 1: to the paranormal activity people report experiencing all over the ship.

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Speaker 1: The answer is, well, it's a long story. I'm Amy Bruney,

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Speaker 1: and this is haunted road. The USS Hornet was built

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Speaker 1: as a World War II Essex class aircraft carrier, constructed

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Speaker 1: in nineteen forty two and nineteen forty three, one of

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Speaker 1: the twenty four Essex class carriers built during and after

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Speaker 1: the war, she was nicknamed the Great Ghost, and, according

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Speaker 1: to the USS Hornet Sea Air and Space Museum's history

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Speaker 1: of the ship, was one of the most decorated ships

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Speaker 1: in the US Navy. She's eighth in a line of

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Speaker 1: American warships named Hornet dating all the way back to

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Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War, The Hornet and the Wasp for the

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Speaker 1: first ever ships in the Continental Navy started in seventeen

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Speaker 1: seventy five. She was intended to be named the USS Cuarsage,

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Speaker 1: but during construction the USS Hornet CV eight sank in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen forty two Battle of Santa Cruz Islands. One

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Speaker 1: hundred forty men went down with the ship. Its wreckage

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Speaker 1: was found off the Solomon Islands in twenty nineteen, when

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Speaker 1: that tragedy occurred, the Kuresarge was renamed the USS Hornet

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Speaker 1: in her honor. Commissioned on November twenty ninth, nineteen forty three,

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Speaker 1: the Hornet is massive in scope, eighteen hundred seventy two

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Speaker 1: feet long and one hundred forty seven feet wide, with

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Speaker 1: over thirty six thousand tons when fully loaded. Her height

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Speaker 1: above the waterline to the top of her mast is

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Speaker 1: one hundred ninety feet. During World War II, this enormous

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Speaker 1: ship could carry anywhere from ninety two to one hundred

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Speaker 1: and one aircraft and from thirty six hundred to four

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Speaker 1: thousand men. The main deck of the USS Hornet is

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Speaker 1: the hangar deck, where the aircraft were stored and maintained.

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Speaker 1: Above the hangar deck. The flight deck is where aircraft

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Speaker 1: would take off in land. The Hornet's airstrip is roughly

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Speaker 1: two hundred feet long. As the Hornet Museum describes, landing

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Speaker 1: an aircraft on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier

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Speaker 1: at sea is a dayangerous task reserved only for experienced pilots.

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Speaker 1: All aircraft built for carrier use were equipped with tail hooks,

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Speaker 1: hooks that lower from the back end of the aircraft,

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Speaker 1: designed to catch an arresting cable. Hornet's flight deck had

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Speaker 1: four arresting cables stretching across the landing area of her deck,

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Speaker 1: its tracks if the hook caught it. If the aircraft's

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Speaker 1: tailhooks were damaged, a barricade net would be set up

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Speaker 1: on the flight deck and the pilot would fly directly

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Speaker 1: Above the flight deck rises the ship's island, which served

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Speaker 1: as the command center and held the captain's Bridge, pilot house, navigation,

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Speaker 1: primary flight control, and at its base, combat information center.

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Speaker 1: The captain's bridge was where the captain was based when

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Speaker 1: the USS Hornet was on the move. He could see

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Speaker 1: twenty five miles in every direction from this vantage point,

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Speaker 1: there was a mix of living and working spaces, including

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Speaker 1: ship's post office. The sick bay could hold up to

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Speaker 1: quarters weren't quite that luxurious. The men slept on thin

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Speaker 1: cots hanging from chains and stacked three deep bunk bed style.

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Speaker 1: I've actually slept on those bunks, although I wouldn't call

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Speaker 1: the machine rooms in the brig, which could hold up

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Speaker 1: According to the ship's history, prisoners in the brig were

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Speaker 1: hard labor during the day. When out of their cells,

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Speaker 1: they were chained together and led through the passageways by

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Speaker 1: a marine. Others in the area would have to turn

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Speaker 1: away to socially isolate them as part of the punishment.

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Speaker 1: On March fifteenth, nineteen forty four, the ship left Pearl

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Speaker 1: James Martin wrote for CNET, the USS Hornet played a

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Speaker 1: pivotal role in virtually all of the assault landings in

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Speaker 1: of World War II. Her aircraft destroyed more than fourteen

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Speaker 1: hundred Japanese aircraft and destroyed or damaged over a million

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Speaker 1: tons of enemy shipping. During that eighteen months of combat,

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Speaker 1: the USS Hornet traveled extensively, sailing one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: five thousand miles or about six trips around the world.

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Speaker 1: On June nineteenth, nineteen forty four, the USS Hornet participated

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Speaker 1: known as the Great Marianna's Turkey Choote. During this battle,

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Speaker 1: the Hornet shot down seventy two enemy planes in a

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Speaker 1: single day. From October twenty third to October twenty sixth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty four, she took part in the Battle of

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Speaker 1: Leyte Gulf, described by the Naval Surface Force as the

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Speaker 1: largest naval battle in modern history and the last of

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Speaker 1: the Great Sea Battles. It was also the first time

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Speaker 1: that the Japanese deployed Kamikazi fighters On February nineteenth and twentieth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty five, the Hornet supported the amphibious landing assault

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Speaker 1: on Ewo Jima. According to Sea Forces dot Org. On

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Speaker 1: March eighteenth, nineteen forty five, the USS Hornet's complement of

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Speaker 1: practice in case of emergency when one of them spotted

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Speaker 1: a Kamikazi plane streaking toward the ship. As Mark Hansen

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Speaker 1: wrote for the US Naval Institute, in the final five

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Speaker 1: hundred yards of the suicide bombers dive on the Hornet,

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Speaker 1: the ship's cooks, furious and ready. Gun fighters now found

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Speaker 1: their mark, blasting off the Kamikazi's right wing, igniting the

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Speaker 1: the Hornet's flight deck, Passing just thirty feet from the

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Speaker 1: battle station. The Kamikaze pilot's visage was clearly discernible through

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Speaker 1: The Hornet was decommissioned in nineteen forty seven and became

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Speaker 1: support ship. During her military career, the USS Hornet endured

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Speaker 1: fifty nine air attacks but was never seriously hit. As

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Speaker 1: Seenet reported, the Hornet also has the distinction of being

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Speaker 1: hit by a torpedo, which bounced off of the Hornet's

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Speaker 1: never seriously damaged in battle, more than three hundred people

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Speaker 1: one of the most dangerous places in the world to

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Speaker 1: work on board. Accidents included sailors walking into spinning aircraft props,

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Speaker 1: decapitated by snapping flight arrest cables, which fly at five

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Speaker 1: hundred miles per hour when snapped. Sailors were also burned

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Speaker 1: the Hornet never returned from their missions, having been shot

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Speaker 1: down by enemy planes. According to some, the ship also

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Speaker 1: had the highest rate of suicide in the Navy. In

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Speaker 1: the years after World War II, she participated in several

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Speaker 1: unique relief missions, including aiding in the search for survivors

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Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty one, when wildfires destroyed much of the

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Speaker 1: Tony Bellair neighborhood of Los Angeles, the Hornet helped with

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Speaker 1: clean up efforts, using her generators to feed electricity into

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Speaker 1: the Southern California power grid. In nineteen sixty six, the

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Speaker 1: USS Hornet recovered the unmanned Apollo AS two two capsule

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Speaker 1: when it returned from its suborbital spaceflight, and she became

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Speaker 1: July twenty fourth, nineteen sixty nine, she was part of

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Speaker 1: history again. After the lunar command module of the Apollo

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Speaker 1: deck of the U. S USS Hornet, and those footsteps

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Speaker 1: are immortalized on the floor of the ship. Richard Nixon,

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Speaker 1: in a custom Airstream trailer along with a flight surgeon

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Speaker 1: while the ship steamed a port in Hawaii for five days.

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Speaker 1: history describes, Hornet returned to Long Beach with a banner

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Speaker 1: proclaiming Hornet plus three, which declared them to be the

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Speaker 1: recovery vessel for Apollo eleven. On November twenty fourth, the

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Speaker 1: splashdown in the South Pacific near American Samoa. Talking to

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Speaker 1: The Mercury News, paranormal researcher Pamela Heath said she believes

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Speaker 1: most of the spirits here are spirit guides. They came

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Speaker 1: back to run the ship. They loved this ship, They

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Speaker 1: are back to serve. Many of these spirits have been

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Speaker 1: seen as full bodied apparitions. One has been said to

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Speaker 1: appear in dress whites, another in a khaki uniform, one

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Speaker 1: in a pea coat, and one in a pilot's uniform.

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Speaker 1: But not all of them are quite so genteel. Some

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Speaker 1: people have reported seeing a headless ghost in the area

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Speaker 1: of the ship's catapult, believing it to be the spirit

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Speaker 1: of a sailor who was decapitated by the cables. Mills

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Speaker 1: wrote that this apparition lurches back and forth across the

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Speaker 1: of a ghost in the engine room. As Mills wrote

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Speaker 1: in Life, he was a sailor whose arm was cut

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Speaker 1: off by the laserlike effluence of concentrated heat jetting forth

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Speaker 1: from a broken pipe. He was found later by his shipmates,

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Speaker 1: who were aghast at the realization that his blood literally

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Speaker 1: had boiled, causing his skin to peel away like a

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Speaker 1: control panel to this day. A witness who saw him

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight described his uniform matted with

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Speaker 1: glistening blood, his burned flesh hung in grotesque ribbons from

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Speaker 1: So that's why just kind of an important place to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's definitely one sound that people tend to

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Speaker 1: And I always ask people those questions, Uh, do work

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Speaker 1: do you have people who just like, Okay, I've had enough,

432
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: I need to get off, and I don't want to

433
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: be here anymore.

434
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: I think, like with my groups, because I love touring,

435
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 2: it's about teaching them and that's what I enjoy about

436
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 2: doing it is I've always explaining that it is scary

437
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: anywhere you go in the dark, stay when you're not familiar.

438
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: But I've had.

439
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: People that are interested but they are scared, but throughout

440
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: the night I reassure them, you know, and they feel comfortable,

441
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: and so by the time they leave there, they've learned

442
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: a lot and they're excited and thinking about actually coming

443
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: and do it and over night. So I feel like

444
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: I at least have done. My job is to help

445
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: teach them and you know, to communicate with the spirits

446
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: that they're willing to. But yeah, I mean I've heard

447
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: people through over them. I with security, we've done overnights. Oh,

448
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: you have less people to wake up because some people

449
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: left through the night. It's hard to say they could

450
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: lived close enough and figure their own beds are nicer

451
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: just like but but yeah, it's hard to say. But

452
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: the people I've worked with, they tend to be a

453
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: little bit more at ease with the explaining of what's

454
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: going on.

455
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: Well that's great, No, I know, you know people they

456
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: do do daytime tours obviously, and now I'm just have

457
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: experiences during the day, right, like what can what have

458
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: people reported touring the ship during the day.

459
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: I've had people say they felt they've been touched or

460
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: they're hair massed with. That's just like a common thing

461
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: is their hair.

462
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: Being messed with.

463
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: Sometimes somebody will see like it thought they saw somebody

464
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: walk into a room and they're going in there's nobody there.

465
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: They'll swear up and down, I know I saw this

466
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: person and go, well, this is the only way in

467
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: this space. So you know, I go, maybe you saw

468
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: an apparition. That's great, but not everybody gets to witness that.

469
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: So what kinds of apparitions do people see?

470
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: Like?

471
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: Are people seeing like full you know, apportions of people

472
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: in uniform, or do they see shadow figures or both

473
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: kind of both?

474
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: I mean, I even, I mean, I see a lot

475
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: of the shadow figures here. They've never actually fully, you know,

476
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: manifest in front of me, but I had. I was

477
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 2: in a space with my friend and we were touring

478
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: his daughter around and I was sensing this gentleman by

479
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: the door and I kept looking over the bed. I know,

480
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: you're standing there, and we audibly heard I'm right here

481
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: because I was doing a me VP session and they

482
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: thought it was on the recorder when I was playing back,

483
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: and we go, no, he's right there. They look, they

484
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: saw him, you know, they saw him in the blue

485
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: dungarease and the blue button up shirt. But I didn't

486
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: see him. So I was like, still fair, But.

487
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: That's so straight out. And you were looking in the

488
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: same direction. Yeah, you they saw him, but you did not.

489
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: He did not manifest you, no, no. Yeah, So that

490
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: brings up an interesting observation that me and a few

491
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: of my you know, fellow parramal researchers have kind of

492
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: noticed is that sometimes we wonder if certain apparitions are

493
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: being seen psychically, even by groups of people, like maybe

494
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: we're not seeing it with our actual eyes. Maybe somehow

495
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: we're seeing it in our minds but manifesting it in

496
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: front of us. And maybe that explains why, you know,

497
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: we don't always get things on camera even though we're

498
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: staring straight at it with our camera pointed in that direction.

499
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: So but you're saying, you guys all heard the voice.

500
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: We all heard it, and I knew it was not

501
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: a you know, it wasn't on the recorder and they're

502
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: like no, and I played it back to show it

503
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: to't approved on It was not on the recorder because

504
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: I went straight to the door to make sure nobody

505
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: was there, because other than the three of us on

506
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: the ship, there was security, which was you know, in

507
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: the security post. So you know, I had to prove

508
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: that it wasn't an actual person coming up and saying

509
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: I'm right here when I asked you.

510
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was interesting.

511
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times for me personally, like

512
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: with that situation, I'm always telling them when I'm walking

513
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: around at my and I sometimes I help turn off

514
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: lights and stuff, and I'm always telling them please don't

515
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: scare me because I'm by myself. So I'm like, okay,

516
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: I got this. Is when you're supposed to show yourself

517
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: to me. Is when I'm with other people I'm by myself.

518
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: I have that.

519
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: Same feeling when I'm in nice places, like I am

520
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: totally willing and ready to have an experience when there's

521
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: people with me. But the second I have to like

522
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: go back and get a camera or you know, go

523
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: check something up on like a third or fourth floor

524
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: by myself, that's a time where I'm like, I don't

525
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: really want to see an apparition right now. That just

526
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 1: really to And so I've said this many times, but

527
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: my defense is always to whistle. I just like happy tune,

528
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nothing back can happen. Well I'm whistling.

529
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: That's fine, so hard worked. So I'm sticking with it.

530
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, now, okay, So we've got apperations, we've got

531
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: disembodied voices, we've been shina figures, people being touched. I mean,

532
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: how often is activity happening at the Hornet it happens

533
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: quite a bit.

534
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because I'm here a lot

535
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: then I witness it, you know what, I'm sensitive to it.

536
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, they definitely have their moments. Even when we

537
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: were closed for COVID, I was still experiencing things. I

538
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: was here helping clean and do some restoration and stuff,

539
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: and I took on a project to redo the mestic tables,

540
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: to stand them down and paint them, and I had

541
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: to help with some groups. But during the week I

542
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: was down there by myself and you know, saw like

543
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: you know, a blue orb going from one one space

544
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: to the other in the mass deck and you remember

545
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: how big it's mass. It's huge, and then getting the

546
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 2: phantom cigarette smell just out of the blue, really strong

547
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: with a cigarette smell, like someone just started smoke. And

548
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, there's no more smoking a lot on board,

549
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: and then it would just be gone there.

550
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: You know, you're like, no gost smoke either. We're yeah,

551
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: like messmoking a lot.

552
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: I don't care.

553
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: No, that's funny now, just because you're there so often, Like,

554
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: who do you think is haunting it? Do you have

555
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: you ever gotten any names specifically or do you have

556
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: any inclination like who it could be.

557
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: We've gotten Sam, but no last name, So we get

558
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: Sam a lot. I've gotten Bill and Bob, but I

559
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: mean those are so common names for even back then.

560
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: The one thing I can't seem to get an answer

561
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: for because I tend to audibly hear a lot of

562
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: a female's voice that tends to call my name at times,

563
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: and I've had other people with me and hearing it,

564
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: so sot to find out who this female is hanging out.

565
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, no real answers. I mean we've gotten you know,

566
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: we've used the flashlight method and gotten some response up

567
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: in the admirals quarters from Admiral Davis, you know, and

568
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: it was a really interesting conversation and I got that

569
00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: on camera, actually, the interaction with that so and according

570
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: to the flashlights, with their interaction, he just comes in

571
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: visits and checks out the ship.

572
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: So I love when you can get like actual you know,

573
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: names or historical information that kind of matches with the

574
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: activity itself. And I mean that says that whoever's there

575
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: is actually intelligent in some way. And so why why

576
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: do you think they're compelled to stay? Why do you

577
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: think these hauntings exist there. I don't know.

578
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: I think they just come and visit. Like like I

579
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: said with the one conversation with Admiral Davis, I mean

580
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: he says he just comes back and forth. He's not stuck.

581
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: He just pops in and out.

582
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: Why. I don't know, maybe just I just kept thinking,

583
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: like I tell people, back in those days, I mean,

584
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: anybody in military, there's such a brotherhood. Even though it

585
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: was a stressful, scary time, it was still that bonding,

586
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: this family, and it was home. So I can see

587
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: them coming back to a place where it brought so Mitch,

588
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: you know, memory or good times in a weird way.

589
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it is certainly you know, there's this

590
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: kind of sense of duty, and you know I could

591
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: see that, and especially when you have it becomes almost

592
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: kind of a living history museum because I think a

593
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: lot of those locations are gone or they're moth balled,

594
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: and so then you know, this is a place where

595
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: these spirits can come back to and actually see almost

596
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: exactly what they experienced in life. And you know, we

597
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: we talk about that a lot, like wondering, you know,

598
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: why are hotels haunted? Why are these you know, wy

599
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: are places like this haunted, and I do think that.

600
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: I think sometimes spirits, you know, like you were saying,

601
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: they're just able to kind of come back to places

602
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: that meant something to them. Like it doesn't mean they're

603
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: necessarily tethered to it or you know, like you said,

604
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: stuck in some way, but it's just it was important

605
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: to them, And I feel like the Horn is definitely

606
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: one of those places.

607
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

608
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: Now, you have obviously probably a lot of school groups

609
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: come on board, I'm sure especially I'm sure you do,

610
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: like boy Scouts and things. Right, do these kids who

611
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: have experiences I'm assuming you're not teaching the ghostly part

612
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: of things. I'm wondering if they ever come to you

613
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: with anything that they might have experienced, not knowing that

614
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: the ship was supposedly haunted.

615
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to help out a lot with the

616
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: Scout groups before I took on the events manager position,

617
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: and you do. We would do at the end of

618
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: the night, we do ghost stories, and we would do

619
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: like thirty minutes to forty minutes of just telling them

620
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: our experiences on the ship. You know, nothing in the

621
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: areas that they're sleeping, because I don't want to scare

622
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: them any further. And I'm always telling them. They're very friendly.

623
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: You know, if you see somebody and you're scared, just

624
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: tell them to leave you alone. I go, they're very respectful.

625
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: And in the morning, I've had a couple of them

626
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: like would come like going. I kept seeing them at

627
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: the foot of my bed. I go, did you tell

628
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: them believe? And he goes, yeahh you know, so they

629
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: are they're witnessing this. I had one parent one time

630
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: where they were sleeping was right above when was the

631
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: rest of the aircraft restoration area. And she told me

632
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: the mort She goes, faith, why were people moving things around?

633
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: I go, nothing was moved around? She because I heard

634
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: airplanes moving and stuff. I go, trust me, we don't

635
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: do that kind of stuff when people are on board,

636
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: you know. It Just nothing moved. And she swore up

637
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: and down there was just all this activity above her.

638
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: She couldn't sleep.

639
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: That was one of the experiences I had there. I

640
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: didn't hear planes. I did hear it sounded like folding chairs,

641
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: like being set up and taken down or put up,

642
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: and like it was in that big open space. I

643
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: was like, what is happening over here? Like why are

644
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: people set Like I thought somebody was setting up for

645
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: like a speech or something for the next day, and

646
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't they know that we're here investigating. Went

647
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: in there completely dark, no one there, but it was

648
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: very clearly that sound of like folding chairs like being

649
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: set up and like thrown out and light up, and

650
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: it was so loud until like I got up there

651
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: and then it was just quiet. So I don't know

652
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: what ghost is folding and unfolding cheers in the afterlife,

653
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: but I feel like they could make better use of

654
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: their time.

655
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: If it was something where Sigil. I mean, it makes

656
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: sense because they would set up chairs all the time

657
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: for different speeches, different arrangements in those areas, you.

658
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, I'm sure there were very important speeches

659
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: and moments that happened in that area, So maybe something

660
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: kind of residual. But I think sometimes I'm baffled at

661
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: the experiences that you have because they just don't really

662
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. You Like, you know, you

663
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: expect to hear a voice or see a shadow or

664
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: but then you hear folding chairs. You know, you just

665
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: what you're going.

666
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: To get exactly, you don't. And it varies in locations

667
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: because people are always asking where are the hot spots?

668
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: It varies.

669
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it when we take groups

670
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: around has to deal with the energy that we are

671
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: putting off, you know, because like you're mentioning in screo groups,

672
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: we even get like high schools that come through and

673
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: do the paranormaltors and they're so full of energy and excited,

674
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: and so we get activity everywhere we go because they're

675
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: just so full of energy.

676
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that that I think that people

677
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: don't realize that some times that like if you're putting

678
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: off energy that can trigger activity and not necessarily like

679
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: it's creating activity, but I think it creates an interest

680
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: in the spirits there, Like they sense that hum and

681
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: that buzz of excitement and it kind of draws them

682
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: out and they want to interact.

683
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: And so I was.

684
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: Actually going to ask you that because people probably do

685
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: you ask you all the time, like what are the

686
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: hot spots are there? Is there any area that like

687
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: you don't like to go?

688
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: Me personally, when we're asked to take people to like

689
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: a couple of different areas like Chapel or something, I

690
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: avoid the Chapel area more so just an anybody's personal beliefs.

691
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: You know, some people might just shone against that, so

692
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: I avoid chapel. I've never personally experienced anything in there

693
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: the times I've gone in there by myself. But but realistically,

694
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: there are some areas that it tent doesn't always have

695
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: a lot of hospital doesn't have a lot of activity sometimes,

696
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of it does. Again deal

697
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: with the group, because by the time we get there,

698
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: you're exhausted. Everybody's a gonno going to sleep, you know. Yeah, so,

699
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: but I mean I've experienced plenty in the hospital, but

700
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: sometimes it's not.

701
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: As active really the grass that makes sense, I mean,

702
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: it's I don't think people realize just how much ground

703
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: they're covering when you get in there, and how easy

704
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: it is to get lost. Like I can't remember if

705
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: you have it, but like I investigate the Salem here

706
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: locally a lot, and they, goodness, have this yellow stripe

707
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: of freedom that goes through Like that's that's how I

708
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: know my way. You follow this yellow stripe, that's that's

709
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: will lead you to an exit. I don't remember if

710
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: the Ford Head anything like that, but if that ship

711
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: did not have that stripe, I would probably still be there,

712
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: right now.

713
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a good idea. We don't have a stripe.

714
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: You need the stripe.

715
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm always telling people find a ladder, get to the

716
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: anger bay.

717
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: Are good, Yes, and that's pretty I do remember that.

718
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: Like and like when we were investigating with the DVR cameras,

719
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I would just look for the wires and I'd be like,

720
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: the wire leads to freedom, Like that's gonna take me

721
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: to center, coming on wherever it is. Yeah, And that's

722
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: actually something else is the whole idea of investigating on

723
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: these you know, big vessels, they're like they're metal, they're steel,

724
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: they're very thick.

725
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

726
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: Cells don't work at certain points. I know radios have

727
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: trouble at certain points, and like we talked about before,

728
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of noises and things that don't necessarily

729
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: make sense. It's very hard to figure out where they're

730
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: coming from directionally. Is there any advice that you give

731
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: to teams or groups on how to investigate in a

732
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: scenario like that.

733
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: If I'm with them for a little bit, I'm always

734
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: trying to point out the natural sounds that people tend

735
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: to think is kind of might be something per normal.

736
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: But also, as you remember, all the wires through their

737
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: transformers and stuff. How it does I like definitely like

738
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: K two's and a lot of that stuff because of

739
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: the power it gives off. And I'm always explaining that

740
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 2: to people as well, like it's am I go, it's

741
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: metal you get if you're using the camera, remember, reflective

742
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: things reflect very easily with flashlight. It's amazing how it

743
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: bounces out that fresh light off of every surface it can.

744
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: It really does. And if you're using like an SLS

745
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: camera or something like, it will make up figures all

746
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: over the place. And yes, and there is that kind

747
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: of constant hum because there's you know, there's transformers and

748
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: power being run through the whole thing, and you could

749
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: just hear it at all times. And like you were saying,

750
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: AMF detectors and K two's they pick up.

751
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: On all of that.

752
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: Communication can be hard if you guys split up and

753
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: you know you're trying to cover more than one area

754
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: at once. I know we had a lot of trouble

755
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: in walks, but you know, as part of being an investigator,

756
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: like you're going to always have kind of different scenario

757
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: that you have to be creative with and work around.

758
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: And you know, ships always always bring the best out

759
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: of us as far as getting creative with out to investigate. Yeah, exactly,

760
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: it does.

761
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: It does kind of limit, but yeah, it causes I

762
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: guess and ways to It also helps you open up

763
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: your senses a little bit more as well. Yeah, because

764
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: you can't really fully rely on a lot of the

765
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: equipment that you're using.

766
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: That's true. And the other thing too is it's so contained,

767
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: like if you have a smaller group like you know,

768
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: you know, like I security, there's usually security, but they

769
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: stay in their little area. They don't go out, and

770
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: so it's not like, you know, you have tons of

771
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: outside contamination from like you know, living people. You know,

772
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: you don't have a ton of traffic going by or

773
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: anything like that. So that's that's actually helpful in that scenario.

774
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: But so if people do want to investigate or visit

775
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: the Hornet, what do they have to do it? Are

776
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: there are there any things coming up or any interesting

777
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: paranormal happenings that people can attend.

778
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, every month, we do our it's

779
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: you know, our what we call our history Mystery Tour.

780
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: We do the three hour tour every month on every

781
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: quarter overnight we're actually working on doing a paranormal conference

782
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: August twenty six, so we'll be advertising that soon shortly.

783
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: We haven't done that since twenty seventeen, so that's going

784
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 2: to be exciting. And everybody can always go on and

785
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: they can go out of our events too if they're

786
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: interested in booking, you know, and overnight for themselves as

787
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: well as a team. Like I said, we get YouTubers

788
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: in here all the time, so anywhere between two people

789
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: to as many as they need, but it just yeah,

790
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: it varies.

791
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, I'm sure people will be interested. I

792
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: can vouch for it. It's very haunted. Everyone there has

793
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: always been Leslie. Like I said, I grew up in

794
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Alameda and so the Hornet was just always there, and yeah,

795
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: one of my favorite places to visit. So thank you

796
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: so much for taking the time. I really appreciate it,

797
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: and hopefully I'll be able to visit soon.

798
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you.

799
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that the Hornet is in my

800
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: hometown of Alameda, California, the place where I had my

801
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: very first paranormal experiences as a child, in our old

802
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: home just a few blocks up the street from where

803
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: the Hornet is docked now. Of course, the base was

804
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: very much in operation. Then the Hornet Museum did not exist.

805
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: But I've gone back many times to investigate her, and

806
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: seeing how I have very few family members still in Alameda,

807
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: the Hornet has almost become my family, the one thing

808
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: bringing me back to my childhood. For if I didn't

809
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: go there to look for her ghosts, I wouldn't really

810
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: have a reason to return to Alameda at all. Makes

811
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: me wonder if some of the spirits on board feel

812
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: the same. I need to revisit their past. Maybe not

813
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: all the time, but for fleeting moments, a chance to

814
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: experience and relive life events, even some that were tragic

815
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: that eventually forged who you became and truly affected your soul.

816
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: Strange that such a huge metal structure can act as

817
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: such a beacon for the living and apparently the dead,

818
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: Or maybe after everything we've learned and discussed in this episode,

819
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem so strange. After all. I'm Amy Bruney

820
00:42:53,120 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is hosted and

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