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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight Fire fail? It's me Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire for Tuesday, December third. You're probably waking up

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Speaker 2: this morning seeing the score Broncos forty one, Brown's thirty

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Speaker 2: two and thinking, oh my gosh, I missed a great game. No, folks,

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Speaker 2: this was not a great game. This was a good,

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Speaker 2: bad football game. This was like when you go to

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Speaker 2: see and I did not see this. I'm just guessing

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Speaker 2: fast in the Furious Seven, where it's like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: there's some moments where you're like, holy cal what is happening?

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Speaker 2: And there's some like okay, that was cool, that was neat,

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Speaker 2: that was interesting, And there's some you know, flash moments,

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Speaker 2: but largely it's like you're checking your watch, you're probably

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Speaker 2: glancing at your phone, and then you get out and

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Speaker 2: instead of talk about the movie, you're like, oh, you

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Speaker 2: want to go out for some dessert or something like

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Speaker 2: you're over it. Like this game, I don't even know

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Speaker 2: what that was. I mean, we saw allegedly the best

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Speaker 2: defense in the league, Denver at home, give up five

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two yards to Jameis Winston in the Browns,

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Speaker 2: How could you be the best defense in the league.

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Speaker 2: They're not. They've played a pooh poop platter of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how the Denver Broncos are eight and five,

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Speaker 2: but they might be going to the playoffs. And this

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Speaker 2: is what's so crazy. The Browns had five hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty two yards of total offense six point six yards

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Speaker 2: per play. And oh, by the way, they had three turnovers.

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Speaker 2: Like if they didn't have three turnovers, you're looking at

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Speaker 2: a six hundred and fifty yard game. The Denver Broncos

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Speaker 2: put up no resistance. Jameis Winston and we're gonna spend

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Speaker 2: a few minutes on this guy, because you know, the

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Speaker 2: Internet gets all excited about every damn Jameis Winston's speech

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Speaker 2: before the game's oh Jamis, Oh, I love this guy.

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Speaker 2: His speeches never never changed Jamis. And it's like, all right,

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Speaker 2: let's just settle down. And then the game starts and

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Speaker 2: he's putting up some numbers and for some reason, Denver

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Speaker 2: can't find Jerry Judy and he's cooking, and then Jamis

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Speaker 2: does what he does. He goes to pick six and

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Speaker 2: the linebacker made a nice play, but it's a pick six. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 2: no risk at no biscuit, I think is what the

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Speaker 2: great Boose arians one said. And then you know, Jamis

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Speaker 2: is fighting the comeback, fighting the comeback, putting a big numbers.

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Speaker 2: People will love it him. Oh my gosh, he could

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Speaker 2: start for so many teams in this league. You're seeing

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Speaker 2: all this nonsense on social media and then you know,

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Speaker 2: game on the line, h Jameis Winston. I think they

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Speaker 2: were down. I think they were down one or yeah,

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Speaker 2: they were down thirty No, thirty four to thirty two

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Speaker 2: with two minutes left, two minutes left in the game. Jamis,

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Speaker 2: you just got to get don't don't screw up, get

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Speaker 2: in field goal range and win the game. And you know,

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Speaker 2: on play number five, Jameis Winston throws not quite a

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Speaker 2: kirk Cousin's ish pass in the flat, but it was

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Speaker 2: picked off by McMillan, who like went down on his back.

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Speaker 2: Amazingly nobody touched him. He gets up scamper's forty four

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Speaker 2: yards and that's a wrap and the Denver Broncos get

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Speaker 2: the cover. I feel bad for anybody who had the Browns.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they just kept fighting, kept fighting, had the

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Speaker 2: lead in the fourth quarter for about five minutes thirty

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Speaker 2: two thirty one after a Chubb Nick Chubb touchdown. But

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Speaker 2: that was just typical Jameis Winston and Rob. I got

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Speaker 2: all these guys in my in my mentions when I

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Speaker 2: checked last night, saying oh oh, j.

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Speaker 1: Matt, come on.

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Speaker 2: Winston could start for some teams, and they started naming

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Speaker 2: them and I'm like, no, no, shot, absolutely not. And

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Speaker 2: then someone said the Seattle Seahawks and it kind of

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Speaker 2: gave me pause, and I was like, hmm, is Jamis

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Speaker 2: like a more reckless Gino Smith. Gino Smith is way

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Speaker 2: more willing to tuck it and run. I think largely

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Speaker 2: they've coached the really bad mistakes out of Gino, but

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Speaker 2: he's still gonna make an end zone interception like he

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Speaker 2: had against the Cardinals two weeks ago. That's just like,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing? Bro right? I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: personally would not want to touch Jameis Winston as my starter.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a suitable backup. He's clearly a positive energy,

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Speaker 2: locker room guy that a lot of people like players,

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Speaker 2: seem to like him. He had that swag back at FSU.

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Speaker 2: But this idea of it, I'm Mike Florio put it

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Speaker 2: out there. Oh, Jamis should start in Cleveland next year.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what, Like, why wouldn't you draft a quarterback

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Speaker 2: Winston is all of a sudden really good because what

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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski, the coach of the year, is having him

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Speaker 2: do awesome things. Stefanski did this so Joe Flacco last year.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, I'm not being a hater. I don't

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Speaker 2: dislike Jamis at all. I'm just not buying the hype.

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Speaker 2: He just never lived up to it as a number

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Speaker 2: one pick, and if memory serves, he's never made the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: He got replaced by Tom Brady the year after he

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Speaker 2: threw wha like thirty two interceptions and I think an

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Speaker 2: NFL record pick sixes, and then Tom Brady wins the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Like Jamis, everybody, everything was there for you.

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Speaker 2: You just couldn't deliver. So I don't know, Rob, I'm

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Speaker 2: being a little negative on Jamis here to start the day.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy did throw for four hundred and

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Speaker 2: ninety seven yards in the thin air in Denver, but overall,

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Speaker 2: I don't know the Browns are going nowhere. I still

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Speaker 2: like Stefanski and the Broncos. I don't know how they

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Speaker 2: continue to do this because I don't think they're that

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Speaker 2: good either.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jason, I don't want to wrecked you this

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Speaker 3: early in the morning. We're going to have to. You

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Speaker 3: mentioned Jamis drew for four ninety seven. That is factually incorrect.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, he threw for six sixty eight.

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Speaker 3: That's the combined interception and completion yards that he had.

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Speaker 3: According to op the stats. That is the most single

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Speaker 3: yardage by any quarterback in a single game in NFL history.

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Speaker 3: Shout out Jameis Winston, as far as I know, the

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Speaker 3: only member in NFL history of the thirty thirty club.

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Speaker 3: Like it's exclusive, it's Jamis and then nobody else. So

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Speaker 3: to your point though about if he's your starting quarterback,

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Speaker 3: you probably don't feel great about it, right, because hell no,

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Speaker 3: he's just as likely. I think it was h Ross Tucker.

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Speaker 3: He does some stuff with NBC. He said on one

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Speaker 3: of the broadcasts. Jameis Winston is good. He said four.

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Speaker 3: The number was four, said four big time passes a game.

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Speaker 3: It was going to be some combination of touchdowns or interceptions,

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Speaker 3: but there was going to be four of them. Well, now,

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Speaker 3: whether that was four touchdowns and no picks, zero touchdowns,

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Speaker 3: four picks, there was gonna be some combination. He was

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Speaker 3: gonna give you the full Jamis experience. And I don't

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Speaker 3: think any anything exemplifies the Jameis Winston experience better than

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Speaker 3: what we saw on Monday night, thirty four fifty eight,

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Speaker 3: four ninety seven, four passing touchdowns, three I in t's,

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Speaker 3: two of them were picked sixes, and a passer rating

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Speaker 3: of eighty eight point one. Now, I'm saying this tongue

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Speaker 3: Jameis Winson is your quarterback, is not a great situation.

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Speaker 3: I believe though, half the teams in the NFL would

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Speaker 3: like to have a quarterback like Jameis Winston. Oh, because

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Speaker 3: even though he is a turnover machine, we've been conditioned now,

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Speaker 3: especially the last two or three years or so, to

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Speaker 3: believe that interceptions are not the negative that everybody thinks

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Speaker 3: it is. Case in point Josh Allen. Josh Allen turns

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Speaker 3: the ball over a ton, maybe not Jameis Winston level,

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Speaker 3: but he turns it over a ton. The reason why

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Speaker 3: it never really stuck to him in a way that

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Speaker 3: you would expect it to was, because he would make two, three,

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Speaker 3: four superhuman splash plays that would kind of make you

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Speaker 3: forget that he'd threw a bonehead interception the drive before

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Speaker 3: so and this season last season, even Patrick Mahomes throws

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Speaker 3: a lot of interceptions, he also makes the key money

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Speaker 3: plays on third down, the key plays laid on fourth

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Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter to get a win, So you

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Speaker 3: kind of dismiss a little bit the turnovers. The problem

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Speaker 3: with Jameis Winston is that he's never been as physically

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Speaker 3: gifted obviously as Josh Allen, but he's never been on

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Speaker 3: a team that was structured in such a way that

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Speaker 3: they could overcome all of the bad Jamis interceptions. If

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Speaker 3: you were to put him on a team like my Raiders,

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Speaker 3: like my Jets, where you say, hey, our aspirations is

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Speaker 3: just if we're in contention for the playoffs, we're happy,

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Speaker 3: we're feeling good about it. If he's on the Titans,

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Speaker 3: hey just get us to nine wins. We'll see maybe

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Speaker 3: come Christmas time, if we're in the hunt, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: feel great about it. Then you probably wouldn't mind Jameis

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Speaker 3: Winson is your quarterback, because again, he might have twenty

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Speaker 3: five thirty interceptions, he's also gonna throw twenty five thirty touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: And you're gonna win some games you probably shouldn't win.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna lose some games you probably shouldn't have lost.

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Speaker 3: But at the very least is gonna be entertaining. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's what all half of us can hope

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Speaker 3: for these days, that he's entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Whoopdie damn dude.

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Speaker 2: Live on all these Jabbroni's are like, oh, Jake Mack,

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Speaker 2: you would take them on the Jets in a second, No,

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Speaker 2: I would not.

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Speaker 3: Why you would not take him to Aaron Rodgers?

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Speaker 2: Well, but the problem that wasn't the question. You take

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Speaker 2: all the Jets? I was like, no, No, I mean I

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Speaker 2: don't like Rogers at this point. I would rather just

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Speaker 2: draft someone. I don't sure who it is. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't love right, but I would rather trot out

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Speaker 2: a rookie than Jameis Winston. We've seen this before. He's

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Speaker 2: not taking you anywhere. I want to see a rookie

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Speaker 2: with potential upside. Hell, Bo Nicks looked okay last night.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It was just one of those performances

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Speaker 2: where I'm like, goodness, gracious, what is happening now? Jerry

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Speaker 2: Judy was in a revenge game. Rob. One of the

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Speaker 2: craziest stats I saw was Jerry Judy had two hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty five yards receiving. Okay, unbelievable night. Apparently that

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Speaker 2: is higher than Deshaun Watson's passing yardage in every game

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Speaker 2: he played this season. Geez, I had to look into that.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, how was it?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember last year Amari Cooper had a monster

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Speaker 2: game with like I don't know, it was like two

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Speaker 2: hundred and some odd yards against the Texans. And he

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Speaker 2: didn't do that with Deshaun Watson. He did it with

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco. And it's like we were seeing this like

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Speaker 2: constantly now where the backup to Watson comes in puts

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Speaker 2: up massive yards and a receiver is like, hey man,

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Speaker 2: look I can play. I just came play with Watson.

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Speaker 2: I go back to this. I think Watson is definitely toast.

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Speaker 2: I don't see there's anyway, just take the dead cap

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Speaker 2: hit and move on. That doesn't mean why Jamis is

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Speaker 2: my guy. That just means like Deshaun Watson's that bad.

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Speaker 2: I don't want him anywhere near the team. I guess

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Speaker 2: one last note, we should probably say something about the Broncos,

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Speaker 2: and you know, Rob, I'm looking at the playoff chart here.

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Speaker 2: If the season ended today, and it obviously doesn't, the

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Speaker 2: Denver Broncos would be tied with Baltimore for the sixth spot.

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Speaker 2: They would fall to seven because the Ravens beat him

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Speaker 2: forty one ten. That being said, Denver is currently unbelievably

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Speaker 2: two games up on the Indianapolis Colts and two and

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Speaker 2: a half games up on the Miami Dolphins. It feels

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it's not to take a shot at

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Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, who would you rather take a

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Speaker 2: No. I don't even know if he has in his career.

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Speaker 2: Rob G brought this up this morning because I didn't

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Speaker 2: see it last night. I you know, full confession, it's

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Speaker 2: and it's been all consuming. So I didn't even watch

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Speaker 2: a minute, Rob, the Lakers run a back to back.

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Speaker 2: The man is thirty nine turning forty. Here, he's probably

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Speaker 2: So Lebron's played in three back to backs. In my mind,

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Speaker 2: that's three too many. Rob, I just don't understand it.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if people are gonna be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: he's not playing back to me, He's thirty nine freaking

428
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Speaker 2: years old. It's absurd. So go ahead, Rob, let me hear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I would agree with you on that part.

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Speaker 3: And I think even JJ REDI would agree. I think

431
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Speaker 3: he said after the game, because Lebron has famuly said

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Speaker 3: his goal is to play all eighty two this year,

433
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Speaker 3: and JJ said something to the effect of, I don't

434
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Speaker 3: think that's good for him. I don't think it's good

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Speaker 3: for our team if he plays all eighty two, because

436
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Speaker 3: you're not gonna get the best Lebron James if he's

437
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Speaker 3: playing like that, and he's just you know, it's unreasonable

438
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Speaker 3: to expect him to play that well over that many games.

439
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Speaker 3: I understand that. And I'm not gonna say that Lebron

440
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Speaker 3: is washed. I think that's way too hot of a take.

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Speaker 3: I am getting that.

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Speaker 2: For hold on, save that for Aaron Rodgers and justin yeah,

443
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: Tucker's missing field exactly. That's washed right, exactly now.

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Speaker 3: What I am gonna say, though, is that Father Time

445
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: has been hitting Lebron with some steady combinations for about

446
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Speaker 3: a week and a half, just peppering in with jobs

447
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Speaker 3: and crosses over and over and over. You mentioned he

448
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 3: hasn't made a threees ozho for his last nineteen. He's

449
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Speaker 3: three for his last thirty. From deep okay, he's averaging

450
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Speaker 3: just over five turnovers a game over his last ten games.

451
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Speaker 3: He can't stop giving the ball to the other team.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's due to lack of concentration or stamina, I

453
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Speaker 3: can't tell you. But he's just he's not looked good.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just the threes. Is when he's getting

455
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Speaker 3: near the basket, he doesn't have the same explosiveness on

456
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Speaker 3: a night to night possession of possession basis where he

457
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: can just power his way up to score. He's missing

458
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 3: bunnies at a rate I can't remember him ever doing so.

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Speaker 3: I dug into the numbers really deep, and one thing

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Speaker 3: that Lebron has said in the last week or two

461
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Speaker 3: is you know, his performance has been uneven by his

462
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Speaker 3: standards because he's had the lowest usage rate of his career,

463
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Speaker 3: he says, so he's not getting the same kind of

464
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Speaker 3: rhythm that he normally would. His usage rate this season

465
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Speaker 3: is the same as Jalen Brunson. Nobody would ever say

466
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Speaker 3: that Jalen Brunson is a low usage player. But it

467
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Speaker 3: points to something that Lebron has struggled with basically his

468
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Speaker 3: entire career, and that is as great as he is,

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Speaker 3: you think he's the greatest of all time, he only

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Speaker 3: plays one way. There is no system when it comes

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Speaker 3: to Lebron James. He is the system. Yeah, he dictates

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Speaker 3: everything that happens on the basketball floor. And when his skills,

473
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: or his stamina or his physical abilities start to dwindle,

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Speaker 3: he can still get his numbers, but he's not impacting

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Speaker 3: winning the way that he used to seeing him do it.

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Speaker 3: Case in point, his per is the second lowest of

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Speaker 3: his career since his rookie season. Okay, his offensive box

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Speaker 3: plus minus the second lowest of his career since his

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Speaker 3: rookie season. His value over replacement is the lowest of

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Speaker 3: his career plus one point zero, which means that he's

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Speaker 3: basically a league average player in the advanced stats. And

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Speaker 3: here's the one that's the most damning if you're a

483
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Speaker 3: Laker fan, if you're a Lebron fan, Lebron James in

484
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Speaker 3: terms of defensive box plus minus is a negative for

485
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Speaker 3: the first time in twenty seasons. The team is actively

486
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Speaker 3: better defensively when he is not on the floor. When

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Speaker 3: could you ever say that about Lebron offensively? Defensively you know,

488
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 3: especial things if we're talking football, But when Lebron's out there,

489
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 3: he impacts winning in a positive way no matter what.

490
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Speaker 3: This season, that is not the case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Again, I'm not saying he's you think this will be

493
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Speaker 2: his final year? No, I mean it's hard to say

494
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Speaker 2: that when he's putting up twenty eight Even if he

495
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: finishes a twenty eight and six a game, like that's

496
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Speaker 2: really really impressive. But does he want to continue to

497
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: dwindle further? Like John Elway kind of went out with

498
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl ring on top, Peyton Manning hung around

499
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: and like won the Super Bowl, but he was he

500
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 2: wasn't particularly good. He was actually I think he got

501
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Speaker 2: benched that year almost he.

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Speaker 3: Didn't for brock Osweiler.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's right, brock a oh remember that guy? Uh So, Like,

504
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Speaker 2: I don't see Lebron hanging around for forever. I maybe

505
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Speaker 2: this is it for him. I don't know. They've got

506
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Speaker 2: to turn it around. I just I don't they don't

507
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: when you take him out. I don't know, who are

508
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: your five guys? Ad connect Reeves. I mean that means

509
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: heavy D low. I just you could try to play

510
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: through Ad. But the wheels, I don't want to say

511
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: the wheels are coming off just a bit of a

512
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Speaker 2: say so I'll chalk it up to a tough stretch drop. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The problem is that he's going to be having a

514
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Speaker 3: lot more of these as he gets older. And I

515
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: think the biggest question you're gonna have for Lebron is

516
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Speaker 3: that because he's been so good for decades and he's

517
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: played a certain way, he's had a ton of because

518
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: that's a certain way, is as we're seeing the slippage,

519
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: not again, he's not washed, he's just slipping a little bit.

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Speaker 3: As we see it continue to happen, will he be

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Speaker 3: mentally and emotionally mature enough to throttle it back and say,

522
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Speaker 3: you know what, I don't have to play every game.

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Speaker 3: I don't have to play thirty five. I'll play thirty

524
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Speaker 3: one minutes. You know where I'm not using all my

525
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 3: energy on a possession of possession. Take me down to

526
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Speaker 3: thirty minutes where I can play hard for thirty minutes

527
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 3: instead of playing seventy five percent for thirty six minutes.

528
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Speaker 3: Because the most extreme comparison to this, especially if you're

529
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Speaker 3: Laker fan, is the last few years of Kobe where

530
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Speaker 3: we all knew that it was over for Kobe. He

531
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: didn't have it. The injuries had sapped him from the athleticism.

532
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 3: He couldn't get up the floor, his jumper was wayward,

533
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: but he didn't stop playing like Kobe. He was getting

534
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: his shots up whether you liked it or not, because

535
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: that's what Kobe does. Lebron James is gonna continue to

536
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: dominate the ball and play the way Lebron James plays,

537
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: whether he's slipping or not. So the question is is

538
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: he gonna be able to take a step back and say,

539
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: this is not what's working for me anymore, this is

540
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 3: not what's good for me, it's not good for the team.

541
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Speaker 3: And I just don't know if he's gonna be able

542
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: to do that because most athletes can't do that.

543
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Speaker 2: That's that's really difficult. My guess is that that's gonna

544
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: be tough for Lebron to to say. And then the

545
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: idea of him just sitting out for long stretches, like

546
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: down to twenty five minutes a game, like, couldn't the

547
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: Lakers survive without Lebron on the court, You know, I

548
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: don't think it'll get as bad as the Kobe twenty

549
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: two weeks. No, no, no, yeah, because Kobe's his body was

550
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: beating up to injuries. Lebron's thankfully has not yet. Yeah,

551
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: He's indestructible basically. All right, Well, hopefully Lakers. Hopefully the

552
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: Lakers can turn this around.

553
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: Man.

554
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: You need they need a good season. Lebron in the

555
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: playoffs always better. I don't know if you'll get Remember

556
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: when he went to Miami, he took like a two

557
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: week siesta. Yeah, I do remember where he just kind

558
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: of vanished. I don't I don't know. Maybe that's needed.

559
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: Maybe he can take off All Star weekend and get

560
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: like extra time on both sides. He's got to do

561
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: something to recharge about it. You just have to with

562
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: this age. You don't want to be like Jordan and

563
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs.

564
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: You know, right, Well, here's a question for you, and

565
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: we'll wrap it up on this for you personally, because

566
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: I know you like being out and about at the

567
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: Crypto dot com and in the pregame shoot around stuff

568
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: like that. Is it better or worse for you in

569
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: terms of getting access with these tickets if the Lakers

570
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: are good or bad?

571
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: Oh?

572
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: I don't. First of all, I don't get access the tickets.

573
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: I try. I used to get the media pass and stuff.

574
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: Well, you know, if they're bad, it's better for you,

575
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: like you're getting more.

576
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: It's easy access. But like, what's the lure of going

577
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: to a game if there's really there's no Lebron, you.

578
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: Know, I mean he could be out there. The team

579
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: just sucks.

580
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember. I wasn't here for the Kobe years.

581
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: Were you going to Theaker game?

582
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: I went to a couple and they were brutal to watch.

583
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: They just getting smashed.

584
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: I mean this team is not as bad as that team.

585
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, rooting for the Lakers. Listen. LA's on

586
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: a hot streak right now. Chargers are playing great. I

587
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: was gonna say USC, but geez, did you see Miller

588
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: Moss in the transfer port. I want to I want

589
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: to go compete for a championship. I mean, listen, it's

590
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: gotta be tough for Miller Moss to watch that. The

591
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 2: backup throw two pick sixes in the final like four minutes.

592
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: Costs me money, by the way. And then Miller Moss

593
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: like didn't get the call, Like what I mean, that

594
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: guy's out there reckless as hell. Lincoln Riley not looking good.

595
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: But the Dodgers won the World Series. We just need

596
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: some a little more consistency from the Lakers. So we're

597
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: back tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you then.