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Speaker 1: Fantasy Sports rare new network alongside Frankie stamfel, I am
Speaker 1: Greg Sauce, been Franky? What's going on about? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Hump day here? Also happy birthday too, thought i'd get
Speaker 1: that out at the top of the show. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about creating, including some breaking news. Yeah, we have three
Speaker 1: new head coaching hires or a official and let's start
Speaker 1: with the latest wonder Frankie, and that is that the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns kind of did the sensible thing here and
Speaker 1: promoted Freddie Kitchens from offensive coordinator to head coach. It's
Speaker 1: interesting because Greg Williams is obviously the head coach second
Speaker 1: half of the year, but there's Freddie Kitchens that got
Speaker 1: lauded by everyone with the job he did. Kitchens was
Speaker 1: not allowed to interview anywhere else. He was unther contract
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, and the interviewed them, loved what they heard
Speaker 1: and promoted him to the head coach. And one of
Speaker 1: the first things I texted you today was my hope
Speaker 1: for the Jets was that they were they were, the
Speaker 1: Browns would hire someone else and then the Jets pounce
Speaker 1: on Freddie Kitchens. That's obviously not going to happen. But
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no problem with this higher just based
Speaker 1: on the way he took over the offense once Hugh
Speaker 1: Jackson was gone and once Hodd Haley was gone, and
Speaker 1: what he did with Baker Mayfield and got the most
Speaker 1: out of Nick Chubb. And there was a lot of
Speaker 1: talk about once he took over the way the offensive
Speaker 1: line protected Baker Mayfield. I mean, there's a lot to
Speaker 1: be said for that. I know that once he took over,
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield was was one of the fewest touched quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in terms of like QB hits and QB hurries. Once
Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens took over, so he obviously knows what he's
Speaker 1: doing in terms of protection scheme. Uh again, Nick Chubb,
Speaker 1: what he was able to do. It really was kind
Speaker 1: of like a run first offense with Chubb. But even so,
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield was awesome. You look at the metrics. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just broke the rookie record in terms of passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: We know how good Baker was coming out of college,
Speaker 1: the most accurate college pastor of all time, and that
Speaker 1: you know, huge and Todd Haley weren't getting that out
Speaker 1: of him. So just to go from see that kind
Speaker 1: of advance in his statistical output game to game, from
Speaker 1: huge accidents hot Haley to Freddy Kitchens. I love the
Speaker 1: job that he did. I don't have a problem with
Speaker 1: the higher at all. And with that we have more
Speaker 1: breaking news, Frank. Another head coach has been hired, this
Speaker 1: time in Denver, where Vic Fangio has been announced as
Speaker 1: the head coach. Longtime league defensive coordinator. I think the
Speaker 1: dude's pretty old. It's like sixty years old. Fangio has
Speaker 1: never got an opportunity to be a head coach anywhere.
Speaker 1: He was the defensive coordinator with the Chicago Bears, obviously
Speaker 1: had a fantastic job this year, the nice job under
Speaker 1: John Foxes. Well before that, he was the defensive the
Speaker 1: coordinator in San Francisco and Jim Harball and they're awesome
Speaker 1: defenses with Patrick Willis and whatnot. It's gonna a matter
Speaker 1: certainly a lot who the offensive coordinator will be in Denver.
Speaker 1: But Vic Fangio the brand new head coach for the
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. Yeah, the Broncos kind of zigging when everyone
Speaker 1: else is zagging right now, you mentioned it. Vic Fangio
Speaker 1: is sixty years old, So he's not the Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: He's not your thirty nine year old head coach that's
Speaker 1: coming in here and he's gonna teach his spread offensive concepts.
Speaker 1: It's actually the exact opposite. But we also have the
Speaker 1: job that his defense with the Bears did this year.
Speaker 1: You mentioned he's never really had an opportunity to be
Speaker 1: a head coach. You defensive coordinator with the forty Niners,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, from defensive coordinator with Stanford. Before that,
Speaker 1: he spent some time with the Baltimore Ravens. This guy
Speaker 1: has been around football for a long time, dating back
Speaker 1: to New Orleans Saints back in he was a linebackers coach.
Speaker 1: So again, this will this is kind of this. This
Speaker 1: will be a good test to see, like what works out?
Speaker 1: Is it more of do you want that leader of
Speaker 1: men type guy and surround yourself with with a good
Speaker 1: O C and see what happens here. This will be
Speaker 1: a good test because everyone else is trying to find
Speaker 1: that next Sean McVeigh, right. You know, Matt with Flora
Speaker 1: ends up with the Packers, um Cliff Kingsbury. As we mentioned,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see who he brings in as
Speaker 1: the OC. I don't really mind because Denver, you know,
Speaker 1: the past couple of years, has prided themselves on defense.
Speaker 1: If you still have some defensive pieces, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a terrible move. I think he's deserving. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be big to find out who they hire
Speaker 1: at the OC. You talked about Ziggy win zagging here
Speaker 1: with Vic Fangio. I mean, he's certainly not young, and
Speaker 1: he's not on the offensive side of the ball. He's
Speaker 1: been a defensive coach. Defense is assistant in the NFL
Speaker 1: consistently really since nineteen six. He was a linebackers coach
Speaker 1: for the Saints. Back then. He was the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: in the first three years of the Carolina Panthers organization
Speaker 1: under Don Cabers. Went from there over to the Indianapolis Colts,
Speaker 1: then went to the Houston Texas defensive coordinator once again
Speaker 1: with Don Cabers, was a defensive assistant with the Ravens,
Speaker 1: was a linebackers coach with the Ravens, defensive coordinator in Stanford,
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator with the Niners, and then the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: with the San Francisco for Niner has been around a
Speaker 1: long time, appens, he said, sixty years old. Is Vic
Speaker 1: Fangio the brand new head coach of the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: I Right, like the strong linebackers there, Bradley Chubb von Miller,
Speaker 1: you want to coach them up. You want to be
Speaker 1: a defensive team. The offensive coordinator doesn't matter in a
Speaker 1: major way for the players that we care about, right, Frankie.
Speaker 1: For the Philip Lindsays of the world, the Roy Spremens
Speaker 1: of the world, the Courtland Suttons of the world, and
Speaker 1: whoever the quarterback is out there for the Devern Barbaraco's
Speaker 1: um interesting higher there by John Elway. You wonder if
Speaker 1: Gary Kubia could be the offensive coordinator there and then
Speaker 1: you're the most boring team ever and that would just
Speaker 1: defy everything else that's happening in the NFL going with
Speaker 1: Gary Kubiak probably just run the ball thirty times a game?
Speaker 1: Is there anything based on where he's been before? Just
Speaker 1: looking at it like people he's worked under, Like who
Speaker 1: is who would he be tied to in terms of
Speaker 1: like an offensive quarter Like is Kubiak actually one of them?
Speaker 1: Or can you see one of these other kind of
Speaker 1: often offensive minded head coaches who just got fired land
Speaker 1: here is an o C maybe like an Adam Gaze
Speaker 1: or something like So Adam Gaze has very bad blood
Speaker 1: with John Elway from not getting the job previously. So
Speaker 1: that so that's not happening. Um, they didn't work together
Speaker 1: in Chicago Geese uh and Fangio, but so it's possible.
Speaker 1: The name that just comes to mind is Dwell Luggin's
Speaker 1: was the opposite coinator in Chicago with Fangio. He's been
Speaker 1: off as the coordinator all all around the block. He
Speaker 1: was there with John Fox, Yes, and Fangio was while
Speaker 1: the Fangio was defensive coordinator, so they do have some
Speaker 1: experience working together. So that's like one name that immediately
Speaker 1: comes to mind. I mentioned Gary Kubiak um because of
Speaker 1: always love for Kubiak. Obviously he was his backup. He
Speaker 1: was the head coach in Denver on the Super Bowl there. Um,
Speaker 1: so that's somebody I'm sure that that if he's helped
Speaker 1: his right that lay would want to happen. Um, those
Speaker 1: are probably the names that come to my most. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that kind of does it like like Peth
Speaker 1: Hamilton's they worked together at one point, so um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's probably what comes to mind there in Denver,
Speaker 1: Frank Denver those one way with the older sixty year
Speaker 1: old Fangio. I'm not saying that's bad, it's just different
Speaker 1: than for everyone else is doing. Dude's deserving. He's been
Speaker 1: around forever and he's done a really nice job. In
Speaker 1: his last do you Stops Arizona, they went the complete
Speaker 1: other way. They promoted were signed should say Cliff Kingsbury,
Speaker 1: who frankically give you all the stats in just a
Speaker 1: few moments with what he did at Texas Tech. But
Speaker 1: Kingsbury is the model for Sean is Jean mcphay is
Speaker 1: the model of Kingsbury, Right, So it's all the same.
Speaker 1: He's a young, good looking dude that has had a
Speaker 1: lot of success on the offensive side of the ball
Speaker 1: as a head coach. Not so much, Frank and said,
Speaker 1: we'll give the stats in a second. He's been lauded
Speaker 1: for developing Patrick Mahomes, He's been lauded for having Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield on his team. He's been lauded for his ideas.
Speaker 1: He was a former offensive coordinator at UFC USC Rather,
Speaker 1: we spoke about the morals of that yesterday, but we
Speaker 1: didn't get into, Frank is, what kind of success we
Speaker 1: expect Kingsbury to have in Arizona and how will shape
Speaker 1: the offense. We're all about finding out what the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator is and jumping on his tendencies rather than just
Speaker 1: assuming it will be all of the same. What do
Speaker 1: you know about Cliff Kingsbury and what do you expect
Speaker 1: in Arizona. So Cliff Kingsbury was the the up and comer,
Speaker 1: the hot young candidate, you know, only thirty nine years old,
Speaker 1: spent some time in the NFL as like a third
Speaker 1: string quarterback. I played with the Patriots. He was drafted
Speaker 1: by the Patriots originally in two thousand three with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: Played for the Saints the Jets. He was only in
Speaker 1: the league for about three years. Went out to Houston,
Speaker 1: was an offensive quality control coach there. He was a
Speaker 1: co offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach. He was there. He worked
Speaker 1: with case Keenum when case Keenum played in college, and
Speaker 1: case Keenum was an awesome college player. So this he
Speaker 1: does have history coaching up quarterbacks. You've seen some of
Speaker 1: the names that his other names he's worked with. He
Speaker 1: was at Texas A and M as the offensive coordinator there,
Speaker 1: worked with Johnny Manzel. Went out to Texas Tech where
Speaker 1: he was the head coach from and a lot of
Speaker 1: people point to his record while he's at Texas Tech
Speaker 1: thirty five and forty. Now is that completely relevant. I
Speaker 1: don't want to old that against him. I think there
Speaker 1: are other things that you can hold against Cliff Kingsbury,
Speaker 1: which I'm going to get into. But he did he did,
Speaker 1: you know, bring in Baker Mayfield. He was also the
Speaker 1: guy who let Baker Mayfield go. He you know, he
Speaker 1: ended up benching Baker Mayfield for David's Webb while he
Speaker 1: was at Texas Tech, and then he also had Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: But having Patrick Mahomes and seeing what we just saw
Speaker 1: in the NFL this year, a quarterback who in his
Speaker 1: second year through for five thousand yards and fifty touchdowns
Speaker 1: is a blessing and a curse because if you had
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, why weren't your teams better? Why weren't his
Speaker 1: numbers better? Why wasn't he more successed? Why wasn't he
Speaker 1: higher than the tenth overall pick in the NFL draft?
Speaker 1: And I know there's some trepidation with teams drafting quarterbacks
Speaker 1: out of the Big twelve, so on and so forth,
Speaker 1: with the spread offenses. But Patrick Mahomes his final season
Speaker 1: at Texas Tech or do you want touchdowns? Ten interceptions?
Speaker 1: A great season, but it wasn't good enough for him
Speaker 1: to get drafted higher than ten. Why couldn't he get
Speaker 1: more out of Patrick Momes? Why why couldn't he get
Speaker 1: a nun at of ten? Mad? No, it's not bad,
Speaker 1: No it is, But why wasn't he one of these
Speaker 1: guys that was considered like a consensus, like Toua or
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence or something like that. So it's both a
Speaker 1: blessing and a curse, the fact that he had Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes and didn't get enough out of him. I'll give
Speaker 1: credit where it's due. I was listening to the Pick
Speaker 1: six podcast on my way in today from the CBS
Speaker 1: Sports podcast network, and they were talking about in Patrick
Speaker 1: mahomes Is final game as a member of Texas Tech,
Speaker 1: he lost six six under Cliff Kingsbury. There was a
Speaker 1: reason why Cliff Kingsbury was fired at Texas second he
Speaker 1: went on to USC where he was the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: We spoke about this a little bit yesterday about you know,
Speaker 1: what happened between the time when he was named o
Speaker 1: C and like November, December whatever it was till now
Speaker 1: where he left them, and a lot of people are
Speaker 1: talking about that today, and you know how it's ethically wrong.
Speaker 1: We spoke about it. Whatever, that's fine. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with him leaving that job to become a
Speaker 1: head coach at the NFL level. The problem is, why
Speaker 1: couldn't he get more out of Pat Mahomes or you
Speaker 1: know why what if his offense was so successful, why
Speaker 1: wasn't his record better? Right? You know, I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna hold the record against him, but they're already you know,
Speaker 1: I've read things about how his his personality is it
Speaker 1: gonna messtion er Josh Rosen. Josh Rosen is kind of
Speaker 1: like a closed off dude. Didn't really get along with
Speaker 1: like the coaching staff this year in Arizona. I know
Speaker 1: there was like personality issues with a U c. L A.
Speaker 1: So again, he runs like the spread offense. It's like
Speaker 1: this air raid offense, which originally came from Mike Leach.
Speaker 1: Right if if I'm if, I'm not absolutely Kingsbury as
Speaker 1: a quarterback under Mike Leach. So that's what they're trying
Speaker 1: to find. They're trying to find these new concepts and
Speaker 1: trying to find ways to successfully pass the ball at
Speaker 1: the NFL level, because that's the way of the NFL's training.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to pass the ball successfully.
Speaker 1: And he gets that out of Josh Rosen. That's what
Speaker 1: they're hoping. That's why they make this higher. I see
Speaker 1: both sides of the coin. I don't necessarily hold the
Speaker 1: record against him, but I do hold the fact that
Speaker 1: he had a quarterback in Baker Mayfield, who as of
Speaker 1: right now it looks like he's gonna be a pretty
Speaker 1: damn good NFL quarterback bench him for Davis Webb. So
Speaker 1: he didn't know what he had in Baker Mayfield and
Speaker 1: then didn't ultimately get the like he was very good
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes, but to me didn't get the most
Speaker 1: out of him because obviously we see what Andy Reid
Speaker 1: and Eric b Nimi or b Enemy got out of
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes this year. Just a quick update, looks say
Speaker 1: I was right by the way corn Adam Schefter Vic
Speaker 1: Fangio runs the defense in the Broncos. The offense were
Speaker 1: run by Gary Kubia Gary Kubiak as we As we mentioned,
Speaker 1: Kubiak um took time off had some major health issues,
Speaker 1: so he had to retire essentially as the head coach
Speaker 1: of the Broncos, working in their front office. But you know,
Speaker 1: you know that he likes the love. He loves John Elway.
Speaker 1: They have a love affair with each other and and
Speaker 1: Kubiak will return to the sidelines as the offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: in Denver. Just can't quit. I just can't quit the
Speaker 1: Kubiak creety. No. I think it's interesting what going back
Speaker 1: to Arizona here for a second, and after the break
Speaker 1: will get into what tamp Bays doing. But um I
Speaker 1: got an interesting Frankie in Arizona where we know we
Speaker 1: talked all the time and specifically yesterday about teams doing
Speaker 1: the opposite of what they what they've done in the past.
Speaker 1: Right last year, the Arizona Cardinals took their time with
Speaker 1: their coaching search, and there was kind of a a carousel,
Speaker 1: if you will, more than the coaching carousel, but like
Speaker 1: a merry go round of where the coaches will end
Speaker 1: up with that Patricia and Pat Shermer and Steve Wilkes,
Speaker 1: and there are three jobs with the Lions, the Giants
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals. These three guys were gonna end up
Speaker 1: with and it kind of landed where Shermer ended up
Speaker 1: in New York, Patricia in Detroit, and Wilkes in Arizona,
Speaker 1: and Steve Wilkes the well, it's relatively veteran head coach,
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, you know, mid forties, exciting, solid dude, one
Speaker 1: year piece could put. The offense was pathetic. Now, a
Speaker 1: lot of that's on general manager Steve Kinmen. There's not
Speaker 1: enough talent there. The offensive was obviously pathetic. Mike Boyd
Speaker 1: deserves part of the blame. He lasted like four weeks.
Speaker 1: So what do the Cardinals do this time? He complete
Speaker 1: and utter opposite. The interview very few candidates. They meet
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury one time and they hire him within hours.
Speaker 1: Will it work? Will it be successful? I don't know.
Speaker 1: People forget that when the Ramps hire Sean McVeigh, it
Speaker 1: wasn't they interviewed this dude and then immediately hired him.
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh was interviewed, is part of a very long
Speaker 1: process for the Rams that went on for weeks, and
Speaker 1: they took their time and they decided, you know what,
Speaker 1: this guy seems like the best candidate. Cardinals didn't do that,
Speaker 1: rushed to hire Cliff Kingsbury. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: the Jets were that interested where they had to, otherwise
Speaker 1: he may have gotten out. I don't know. Matt naked
Speaker 1: with the Bearers. I mean the Bearers took their time
Speaker 1: with this search. They interviewed several different candidates before they
Speaker 1: hired Matt Neke. Cardinals seem like they rushed this one
Speaker 1: a little bit. Will it work out? Does it matter?
Speaker 1: They don't know, but everyone Wing Crown Cliff Kingsbury, what's
Speaker 1: your horses a little bit there? And there's a big
Speaker 1: debate on Twitter too, because there's a lot of analytics
Speaker 1: guys that see where the NFL is going, where the
Speaker 1: NFL is trending in terms of the passing success that
Speaker 1: you need nowadays, and that's why they're in support of
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. And then there's the old guard who's like,
Speaker 1: why doesn't the guy, you know, why don't more guys
Speaker 1: like Vic Fangio get opportunities. So, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: big clash on Twitter right now between at least what
Speaker 1: I've seen between you know, those who are advocates of
Speaker 1: Cliff Cliff Kingsbury are more like the analytics guys, like
Speaker 1: the the guys who are kind of you know, those
Speaker 1: are That's what's happening right now when it comes to
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. And the Cardinals are all in on them,
Speaker 1: like they're you know, they're putting out all these highlight
Speaker 1: packages of him and releasing all these videos and they
Speaker 1: got the Arizona Cardinals Twitter is they're spelling Cardinals with
Speaker 1: k now like they're all in on this, And there
Speaker 1: was a report with that apparently when he met with
Speaker 1: the Jets. He had already. It was basically a lock
Speaker 1: that he was already gonna be with the Cardinals. Like
Speaker 1: the only reason he even met with the Jets so
Speaker 1: that they could pick his brain about his offense. Justus
Speaker 1: to get more Jets than that anything Like with the Jets.
Speaker 1: We come back because my friends are killing me today
Speaker 1: because I don't want them to as an objective, totally objective.
Speaker 1: I don't want them to hire Mike Michael McCarthy and
Speaker 1: I think that Gary Kubiak is hilarious and they think
Speaker 1: it's a joke. Let's talk with us in a second.
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Speaker 1: best Friends Forever Fantasy Sports Radio Network. I wanted to
Speaker 1: the reading the second, but I'm getting really frustrated. I am, oh,
Speaker 1: I love triggered Greggy getting really frustrated, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: to you. I don't always call you a sensible Jets fan,
Speaker 1: but I think you are an No, not particularly, but
Speaker 1: I'm hoping you're going to be for the sense of
Speaker 1: this conversation. Okay, So I'm getting roasted at the moment.
Speaker 1: My roast of Greg Sussman in my group shot a conversation.
Speaker 1: I let being roast megroup chat because I don't think
Speaker 1: the Jets hiring Mike McCarthy or Adam Gaze is a
Speaker 1: good idea. I laughed when the Denver Broncos promoted Gary Kubiak,
Speaker 1: and the response I get every time, specifically with McCarthy
Speaker 1: and Kubiak, they want a Super Bowl. Oh yeah. So
Speaker 1: McCarthy developed Aaron Rodgers. They they went to the playoffs
Speaker 1: nine of his thirteen years. I understand, but like he
Speaker 1: got fired because their offenses of vanilla and that hasn't
Speaker 1: changed in years. And the responses, well, he developed Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and clearly he's doing something right. And there was
Speaker 1: a riff there that personality didn't work and it's like
Speaker 1: Andy Reid and it was time for a change. When
Speaker 1: it comes to Gary Kubiak, he won a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago. What's great higher And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what, Yes, that's true, but the one
Speaker 1: because of their defense. Well, it's always something with you.
Speaker 1: You make excuses, you need to follow what everyone on
Speaker 1: Twitter saying. You need the young, sexy ire like everybody wants.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, no, I just don't think Gary
Speaker 1: Kubiak is creative. I don't think McCarthy's creative. I think
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze did a terrible job in Miami using the
Speaker 1: skill they had. But look at his record, look at
Speaker 1: his record, and they got lucky. See, it's always something
Speaker 1: with you. Well, who do you want the Jets to hire?
Speaker 1: I go on not all honestly, like, and you know
Speaker 1: this has said this on the show, like I don't
Speaker 1: like Todd Monken any there personally, I don't have I
Speaker 1: don't I don't, unfortunately, have a good answer for you.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see like the best candidate out there. Right,
Speaker 1: there's no there's been no candidate where I've said I've
Speaker 1: said to you, frankly, I said this from yesterday. I
Speaker 1: said from the beginning to me, there was no ended
Speaker 1: it like that that stood out. And I've said this
Speaker 1: to you, like, I don't have a good answer for you.
Speaker 1: There's not one guy who I'm pointing out like that's
Speaker 1: exactly who the Jets should hire right there. There's there's
Speaker 1: anyone candidate for the first any team, Like, and people
Speaker 1: ask me that I think Monkin or Matt Rule would
Speaker 1: be better than a car and but like the response
Speaker 1: to you would be like, you just want a younger,
Speaker 1: sexy name. This is it, that's what you want. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't, I don't I understand why
Speaker 1: you're using that argument against me, because that's what Twitter sayers.
Speaker 1: And I have to follow Twitter, and it was just
Speaker 1: with Twitter. There are people on Twitter who actually like
Speaker 1: McCarthy too, Like that's more of the old guard. You're
Speaker 1: basically the fantasy hipster right now, Greg, that's what they're saying, right,
Speaker 1: You're saying that you're saying something just because it's like
Speaker 1: the trendy thing to do, right because you these are
Speaker 1: probably the same people who think like wins matter in baseball,
Speaker 1: right Like when you're looking at like pictures like these
Speaker 1: are the same guys that say like winds matter essentially,
Speaker 1: and I'm not the same thing like that. Just because
Speaker 1: he had a good record in Green Bay doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you're a great coach like you have. Yes, he
Speaker 1: coached up Aaron Rodgers, and Rodgers also sat behind bred
Speaker 1: Far for a couple of years. He got to learn
Speaker 1: under one of the best quarterbacks, you know, one of
Speaker 1: one of the better quarterbacks of all time as well.
Speaker 1: That also factors into it. The only one one super
Speaker 1: Bowl and you know, but Payton only won one Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: The response to days, I would love on Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Just let me make the playoffs. Give me one super Bowl? Sure,
Speaker 1: someone responsive, What do you want Tom Coughlin, do you
Speaker 1: want John Groomy? Do you want them to coach your
Speaker 1: team right now? Yeah? Because they want to just because
Speaker 1: they wanted to stay wanted. My point is, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: By the way, I agree with like, I don't want
Speaker 1: the jetsic is to hire Mike McCarthy or Adam Gates.
Speaker 1: To me, one of those hires is like the safe
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you will go seven and nine, eight
Speaker 1: and eight. That's what they're doing instead of kind of
Speaker 1: like shooting for the moon. And that's what the Cardinals
Speaker 1: did right, like they shot to the moon and trying
Speaker 1: to get Cliff Kingsbury. Whether it's right or wrong, I'll
Speaker 1: leave that up to you decide. I kind of painted
Speaker 1: both of the picture. Personally, I don't mind it. I
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals are thinking outside the box. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: completely different than like Steve Wills, Who's what they just
Speaker 1: had before. We referenced that that they wanted to go
Speaker 1: in a completely different direction. Is it right or wrong?
Speaker 1: We're gonna debate that. We're not gonna know that until
Speaker 1: a year in two years into the regime, if he
Speaker 1: even gets that. I mean, it would be pretty crazy
Speaker 1: to have two back to back. One and done right,
Speaker 1: So so my the other. I'm everywhere right now from
Speaker 1: it together. Stop arguing and get it together. I'm arguing
Speaker 1: because it makes sense on this show, right when a
Speaker 1: guy like Gary Kubiak, who and Nick fans you with
Speaker 1: a brock Who's just did they want to be like
Speaker 1: Seattle and Dallas who always is a fantastic run games
Speaker 1: from the Shanahan shre. I'm never gonna speak that, you
Speaker 1: know how I feel there's more ways to win than one. Well,
Speaker 1: but that's the question. There's more ways to win than one.
Speaker 1: Fine Seattle their waters played a defense, orld of football
Speaker 1: and limited mistakes that destroyed them in the playoffs. Dallas
Speaker 1: is a better version of that. Right, they run the ball,
Speaker 1: they play the defense, ball control, they don't. We'll see.
Speaker 1: This is this is the test. This is the test. Correct.
Speaker 1: It's Cowboys against Sean McVeigh. I've already seen people, you know,
Speaker 1: analytical people on Twitter saying we need to root for
Speaker 1: the Rams to win because that will push analytics forward more.
Speaker 1: The fact that Sean McVeigh got it done. And if
Speaker 1: something like Jason Garrett in the Old Guard where you
Speaker 1: played defense and you run the football and you you
Speaker 1: give Ezeki Elliott the ball thirty times, so we keep
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams off the field. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: the exact debate that we're doing right now. But where
Speaker 1: does My question is where does Michael McCarthy fit into
Speaker 1: that mix. He's kind of like a blend of both.
Speaker 1: He's not good at either. Like, he's not a young
Speaker 1: offensive play caller. He's not creative. We know that already.
Speaker 1: He hadn't changed the offense in ten years with the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, So nor is he neither. Is he
Speaker 1: a young offensive mind or is he an old guard,
Speaker 1: old style, defensive minded head coach. He's neither. He's in
Speaker 1: the middle. Where does how does that? Where does that work?
Speaker 1: I'm with you on this, Like I don't want McCarthy,
Speaker 1: I don't want Adam Gates. But what if he couldn't
Speaker 1: win with Aaron Rodgers, how is he gonna win with
Speaker 1: Sam Donald? So they'll dispute it's saying he didn't win
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers when Aaron Rodgers was younger, when he
Speaker 1: had less of an ego, where it wasn't the same
Speaker 1: that they just grew apart, and people grow apart. And
Speaker 1: the fact is, you look at Andy Reid. That's what
Speaker 1: it's constantly pointed out to me. I was telling the argument,
Speaker 1: and I've seen that argument as well. Andy Reid, they
Speaker 1: said the same thing about him when he left and
Speaker 1: he went to they see and he reinvented himself. Greg.
Speaker 1: That's the question, does Mike McCarthy reinvent himself when he
Speaker 1: gets to the Jets, because that's what Andy Reid did.
Speaker 1: He changed that sty exactly how I respond, But from
Speaker 1: everything that we've seen from Mike McCarthy, where he was
Speaker 1: too stubborn to change his style in Green Bay? Does
Speaker 1: we have to go based on that He's going to
Speaker 1: change his style of offense and play calling when he
Speaker 1: gets so. I was into it with Jets Van Jeff
Speaker 1: for a while this morning, and he got it and
Speaker 1: he got this right, and he listed his head coaches
Speaker 1: like he thinks Matt rules a home run higher. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but it's fine, and now you want
Speaker 1: that rule. Also, he would love Todd Monkin and you
Speaker 1: guys are want to say wavelength. He wants nothing to
Speaker 1: do with him Gaze and he says he's good with
Speaker 1: McCarthy as long as his offensive coordinator isn't Joe Philbin
Speaker 1: Ben McAdoo. Someone that's um though, what's his name? I
Speaker 1: would Edgar Bennett. That's the question. Why wouldn't it be?
Speaker 1: I'm with you he goes, He goes for me, if
Speaker 1: Michael McCarthy is the head coach and they can somehow
Speaker 1: priorca Zack Taylor from the Rams, I'm interested, like this
Speaker 1: is reinventinging, this is new ideas, this is something different.
Speaker 1: But if it's someone the same old for Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: which is what I think it will be. I know
Speaker 1: what's what you think it will be. I want nothing
Speaker 1: to do with that and for the head coach, And
Speaker 1: I don't mean you to sit here and talk about
Speaker 1: the Jets for a while, but I think it's important
Speaker 1: because there are these different views in the NFL how
Speaker 1: you can win. Clearly, John Elway wants a good run
Speaker 1: game with a great defense. That is the point of
Speaker 1: hiring Vic Fangio and Gary Kuba game managing quarter or
Speaker 1: whoever the quarterback is, to be a game managing quarterback.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, that's what he wants. Clearly. As you said,
Speaker 1: Arizona is shooting for the moon, right that that's what
Speaker 1: the point is for the New York Jets. What is
Speaker 1: the right answer, do you shoot for the moon or
Speaker 1: do you you know, bringing a guy, someone that's safe,
Speaker 1: someone that probably will be fine. I don't know. Tamm
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers, what did they do with the hiring of
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Now this is closer to like Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy as well, I think. So it's not one of
Speaker 1: the young guys. And he didn't bring any that in
Speaker 1: anybody young. He literally just transported his staff from Arizona
Speaker 1: Byron left, which is a younger mind. And he was
Speaker 1: on his staff. He was on the staff, but he
Speaker 1: was like a QB coach back then and he's still
Speaker 1: he's a passing the game. I mean literally his entire
Speaker 1: staff from Arizona. But it worked though what it worked,
Speaker 1: it worked until it didn't. Is that the case though,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't a case that Carson Palmer was too old.
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer wasn't good enough if you look at his
Speaker 1: record what Bruce Arians did. He was great with the cardinal,
Speaker 1: yes he was. He was great. And his vertical passing
Speaker 1: attack down the field. I think it's gonna work. Wonders
Speaker 1: with James Winston. It's I just find it interesting, like
Speaker 1: like I don't I'm whoever one a super Bowl he
Speaker 1: might have like under like the Cold City. It's like
Speaker 1: the Steelers he might have, certainly not. But Bruce Arians,
Speaker 1: I just find it very interesting that, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to kill the vic fangios where you're anti Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: that's fine, But Bruce Arians goes to Arizona brings old
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator top bowls with him. He's old offensive cornator
Speaker 1: Harold good Roou with him his old quarterbacks coach Byron
Speaker 1: left with with him. He brings everybody with him, everybody
Speaker 1: in Arizona. And I feel like people forget and again
Speaker 1: understand the quarterback was in Jurney constantly dealt with quarterback problems.
Speaker 1: I feel like people forget that. When Bruce Arians retired
Speaker 1: two seasons ago, there are questions if he if he
Speaker 1: should be fired, like, we don't know that that may
Speaker 1: have been a bit of a forced retirement Bruce Arians.
Speaker 1: I get it what he did that vertical passing game
Speaker 1: was awesome, But Bruce Arians is one of these guys
Speaker 1: that is stuck in his ways. But we want to
Speaker 1: predict the offenses. We know what Bruce arians offense is
Speaker 1: going to be. Jamis Winston is going past the ball
Speaker 1: down the field constantly to Mike Evans like you know that.
Speaker 1: And that's a good thing for fantasy purposes. Is it
Speaker 1: a good thing for the books? I don't know. Is
Speaker 1: it a good thing for Jamis Winston? Probably, And if
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians can improve Jamis Winston, then it's a good higher.
Speaker 1: That's ultimately the answer to that question. But is it
Speaker 1: being I guess agist if I'm just like, what are
Speaker 1: you doing with this Bruce Arians thing. Maybe to be fair,
Speaker 1: I wanted Bruce Arians. You did, Yes, you did. I
Speaker 1: wanted Bruce Arians for the Jets. And I understand what
Speaker 1: I think, and I know he didn't win a super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I think here and I think ultimately as I
Speaker 1: talked to think that Bruce Arians in his time with
Speaker 1: the Cardinals did a better job than what McCarthy did
Speaker 1: with the Packers, probably because one roll one didn't. And
Speaker 1: you're using the same arguments that you're friends. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why it is naive of you, Carson Palmer is
Speaker 1: not like if if you have Aaron Rodgers on the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: how many super Bowls are the Cardinals win? Right? You're
Speaker 1: absolutely right? But is it the failure of Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: or the failure of Steve Kim The Bruce Arians in
Speaker 1: Arizona never developed a quarterback? Like that's an issue to me.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. Yeah, Aaron Roddy got the most out of
Speaker 1: Carson Palm, definitely, but he couldn't do it again at
Speaker 1: that point was like a little washt journeyman whatever wash
Speaker 1: off of it. But who's year of his career thirty
Speaker 1: five touch? Definitely definitely, definitely, definitely, And I think for
Speaker 1: the Jets, Bruce Arians would have made a lot of
Speaker 1: sense to develop Sam Donald. I agree with you, pretty
Speaker 1: young quarterback, and it's the guy I wanted that I
Speaker 1: go back, that was the one guy, And I said
Speaker 1: that in the middle of team said I wanted Bruce
Speaker 1: Arians for the Jets. My thing is, why didn't they
Speaker 1: get a young quarterback for him to develop in Arizona,
Speaker 1: Like he's going to Tampa Bay to fix Jamis Winston.
Speaker 1: That is the goal. He helped Andrew Luck developer. Probably
Speaker 1: thought their defense was good enough and that Carson palm
Speaker 1: Or could win them games. He helped Andrew Luck developed,
Speaker 1: He helped Ben Roethlisberger developed. He has a history of
Speaker 1: develop quarterbacks. Absolutely, so I get it that was the
Speaker 1: guy probably for the Jets. Fine, I'm in on that.
Speaker 1: I just think there's a bit of a question, like
Speaker 1: I just think you talk about guys innovating like I
Speaker 1: want brus Areus as the head coach. I wish he
Speaker 1: didn't have his same old crew. It worked, How could you?
Speaker 1: But it worked? But it didn't work? Wouldn't he didn't
Speaker 1: If you're holding him to the measurement that he didn't
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl, that just didn't get to us.
Speaker 1: We'll look at his record as the first I got her.
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand it worked. You're right, it worked.
Speaker 1: But if it worked as a head coach and worked
Speaker 1: for him, how can you not say it worked for McCarthy.
Speaker 1: It's my only question. How could you say more with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? No, I don't think yes, yes, And the
Speaker 1: fact that he was unwilling to change. Now, the thing is,
Speaker 1: does Bruce arians offense need to change? Like, yeah, he'll
Speaker 1: probably tweak some things. I don't know. Maybe it's unfair
Speaker 1: to say that about Arians, but you know, and assume
Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy wouldn't. There's still a chance, Like if Mike,
Speaker 1: if Mike McCarthy took the Jets head coaching job and
Speaker 1: brought in some o see from the college ranks to
Speaker 1: help him get more creative, than I would be on
Speaker 1: board with that. I'd be like, all right, you know what,
Speaker 1: at least the guys trying to do something different. If
Speaker 1: he comes in here and Ben McAdoo is the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator of the New York Jets, how as a Jets fan,
Speaker 1: are you on board with that? There's just no way
Speaker 1: that's where I'm at. I think Bruce I like the
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians higher for the the Tampa Bay Bucks much
Speaker 1: more than I would Mike McCarthy with the Jets. You
Speaker 1: look at what Larry uh, what Carson Palmer did in
Speaker 1: the Bruce Arians. Every year, there was three years that
Speaker 1: he played at least fifteen games under Bruce Arians. You
Speaker 1: threw for at least two hundred yards in each of
Speaker 1: those seasons. You through for at least twenty four touchdowns
Speaker 1: in each of those seasons. Obviously was the money year
Speaker 1: forty four thousand, six and seventy one yards, thirty five touchdowns,
Speaker 1: eleven interceptions, eight point seven yards per tempt with Carson Palmer.
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, Greg, it was also that year that Larry
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald finished as wide receiver seven overall. John Brown finishes
Speaker 1: wide receiver twenty six. I think we should bring it
Speaker 1: back to fantasy a little bit here, Greg, I had
Speaker 1: a pole but out before the show with this higher
Speaker 1: the connection now with Bruce Arians and Jamis Winston, these
Speaker 1: Jameis win to shoot into the top twelve next year
Speaker 1: as a Fantasy quarterback because based on what he did
Speaker 1: in Arizona. Why can't Mike Evans be the wide receiver
Speaker 1: seven that Larry Fitzgerald was. Why can't Chris Godwin be
Speaker 1: a top thirty near top twenty five wide receiver that
Speaker 1: John Brown was? John Brown one for a thousand yards
Speaker 1: that year. Why couldn' Chris god would do that? Next year?
Speaker 1: They also have O. J. Howard. We'll see what they
Speaker 1: do at running back. Peyton Barbrow is a restricted free
Speaker 1: agent they had. They drafted Ronald Jones in the second
Speaker 1: round last year. He has no ties to that, so
Speaker 1: we don't know if Ronald Jones is gonna get an opportunity.
Speaker 1: But there's already been whispers about Levian Bell. I don't
Speaker 1: think they have enough catch based to sign Levian Bell.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw that out. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think Levian Bell is gonna happen. They take take a
Speaker 1: chance on a guy like Kareem Hunt, they draft a guy,
Speaker 1: draft someone themselves. I think with Bruce Arians in place,
Speaker 1: James Winson is pretty close to the top twelve quarterback
Speaker 1: next year. Now you right then yesterday we didn't get
Speaker 1: to it on the program, but you ranked the top
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going into next year's fantasy football draft season. That
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes number one makes sense. You still be Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers too. Uh. Andrew Luck number three after what he
Speaker 1: has done, makes sense. Shawn Watson number four. I don't
Speaker 1: really think those are arguable, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Then you have the old guys, a big band and
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, cam Newton, Russell Wilson doesn't throw the ball,
Speaker 1: which is an issue. H Philip Rivers, Jared got, Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: Mrs Drobiskey, Baker Mayfield. That was where we had it,
Speaker 1: and I remember, I just agree with you. I would
Speaker 1: have a Baker Mayfield at twelve um over Mitchell Driskey
Speaker 1: personal Las stand by that would you still would you
Speaker 1: just flip flop them? Would that still be like your
Speaker 1: top thirteen? That's not maybe not in the same order.
Speaker 1: I would probably would you move Mrs tro Whiskey down?
Speaker 1: I would move tro Whisky down to Jamais up? Would
Speaker 1: I would now with this higher? I had James Winson
Speaker 1: at fifteen behind Lamar Jackson, would put them ahead of
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Notice very close with Baker Mayfield. Noticed, as
Speaker 1: we said before, Tom Brady is not on that list.
Speaker 1: I'm Rady's down at sixteen for me right now. And
Speaker 1: according to you know, other rankors that I've seen out there,
Speaker 1: I mean other people haveing closer to twenty, they have
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty. So again, like it's weird to see Tom
Speaker 1: Brady down this far. And this is why you should
Speaker 1: play in super flex leagues because the quarterback position, once again,
Speaker 1: it's going to be super deep. You go twenty quarterbacks
Speaker 1: deep up until I have Dak Prescott as my number
Speaker 1: twenty quarterback. Well, from weeks twelve to seventeen, Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: was QB three overall. So there's a lot of quarterback.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of viable quarterbacks out there, like Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo's to be coming back, Kirk Cousins I have his
Speaker 1: QB eighteen still has great weapons, Carson Wentz is gonna
Speaker 1: be coming back. Where does Nick Foles end up? There's
Speaker 1: still Matthew Stafford that could bounce back. If you think
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen takes the leap with Cliff Kingsbury, Sam Donald,
Speaker 1: with whoever it is, Mike McCarthy, um Matt Rule, whoever.
Speaker 1: If you think these quarterbacks take step forward, like the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks is a deep position. Please, please, everybody play in
Speaker 1: super flex leagues. I don't think it hurts. I think
Speaker 1: Jami's Winston right now would be my QB four teen,
Speaker 1: right behind Mitch Trabinsky and Baker Mathews. You'll lasts Mitchell Trobinsky.
Speaker 1: Your qubats well, well, it's well on the Matt Naggie system,
Speaker 1: beats one to ten the's QB seven overall. Then run
Speaker 1: the football, which bodes well for fantasy as well. And
Speaker 1: I think in year two under Matt Nagie he gets
Speaker 1: even back. We'll talk more about quarterbacks. It's look more
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Speaker 1: S why. All right, Frank, Greg, Sorry, I'm just just
Speaker 1: like so annoyed at this stuff. So damn. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just annoyed. Like I get the you're
Speaker 1: just a hot tade guys, you had coaches, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Sorry this for Matthew Barry on Twitter. Greg referriend of
Speaker 1: Freddy Kitchens, who we talked about earlier on in the
Speaker 1: show all statsince week nine led the NFL in yards
Speaker 1: per play, tied for the league lead in yards for
Speaker 1: past attempt fourth in yards per game, fourth in passing
Speaker 1: yards per game on three point seven five actual points
Speaker 1: per game, which was the NFL. Those were the numbers
Speaker 1: for Freddy Kitchens, who, as we referenced, did a great job.
Speaker 1: Doesn't help Jarvis Landry though, which is what I'm also
Speaker 1: seeing on twit. Jervis Landry average close to twelve targets
Speaker 1: per game with Todd Haley as e o C. Under
Speaker 1: Freddy Kitchens, that number dropped to six point eight targets
Speaker 1: for games. So Jarvis Landry, he's an interesting one. It'll
Speaker 1: probably more of like a wide receiver free next year.
Speaker 1: Everything that we knew coming into this season, or that
Speaker 1: I saw at least, was that Todd Haley wanted Jarvis
Speaker 1: Landry to be the Antonio Brown of this offense, because
Speaker 1: Todd Haley obviously coached Antonio Brown while he was the
Speaker 1: O C in Pittsburgh, So he wanted Jarvis Landry to
Speaker 1: be that type of guy. It's clear that Freddy Kitchens,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's not just Freddy Kitchens. I think I
Speaker 1: think it's a Baker Mayfield thing too. I don't think
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's zones in on one guy. We've seen that
Speaker 1: there wasn't just one receiver that he fell in love with.
Speaker 1: He does the A lot of people comp him to
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, but he does the Drew Brees thing where
Speaker 1: for most of Drew Brees' career he didn't just zone
Speaker 1: in on one guy. I mean, now a little bit
Speaker 1: later on, you know he's going to Michael Thomas a lot.
Speaker 1: But for years it was just gimmey whoever is open,
Speaker 1: Robert meets him, Indoor, Lance More, Marcus Colston, whatever tight
Speaker 1: ends there, Jimmy Graham, you would spread the ball around,
Speaker 1: would spread the ball around. I think Baker Mayfield is
Speaker 1: a lot like that. We saw a big play Santonio Callaway.
Speaker 1: We saw plays at times Shard Higgins here and there.
Speaker 1: You'd get David and Joku, a lot of Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: running the football. Baker Mayfield is not a guy that's
Speaker 1: going to zone in on one receiver. It's very early, obviously,
Speaker 1: my preliminary analysis of the Browns passing attack. I won't want,
Speaker 1: I won't want anything to do with Jervis Landry from fantasy.
Speaker 1: He had a very bad that's easy to see in
Speaker 1: the second half of the year. I want everything to
Speaker 1: do Nick Chub, Nick Chubb, we'll talk more about this
Speaker 1: mock drab. By the way, Frank and I are sitting
Speaker 1: here for the Frenzy today. No Corey Porson, No Chris Ventura.
Speaker 1: H So Jim Day, who I don't think news is
Speaker 1: at the time. Hey, Jim Day, I know you're in
Speaker 1: the chat. We're gonna show with you today, sitting in
Speaker 1: these gonna be talking about the mock draft that we're
Speaker 1: doing right now. It's like the f n T S
Speaker 1: Y Radio way too early twenty nineteen mock draft, just
Speaker 1: dipping our toes. We're doing six rounds, as we've mentioned,
Speaker 1: just to see get an idea where players are going.
Speaker 1: We're in the middle of the second round right now,
Speaker 1: so we'll really just talk a lot about the first round,
Speaker 1: some picks that have stood out to far, because there's
Speaker 1: definitely some people trying to Yeah, Diana Hill already, Greg,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's January ninth, and this is what
Speaker 1: we're doing. Whatever, we'll talk about it. Yeah, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. And one the reason I brought that up.
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, who expected to be a first rounder h
Speaker 1: went at the turn in this mock draft, and again
Speaker 1: we're just in the first round. Like Blue who's walking
Speaker 1: around here somewhere. It's just get him in here to
Speaker 1: make his picks. They can make his pig, then I
Speaker 1: can make my pick. We can make all make picks. Greg.
Speaker 1: This just came out from Rural World, a report that
Speaker 1: Todd Bowl is actually considering the Bears DC job now
Speaker 1: instead of the Bucks. Makes sense, look look better. Why
Speaker 1: you go to the Bucks when to the also has
Speaker 1: to do with his scheme too, because from what I've seen,
Speaker 1: he runs a three four defense, and it wouldn't what
Speaker 1: I saw yesterday is that wouldn't really match the current
Speaker 1: personnel that the Tampa Bay Bums. I mean, I'd have
Speaker 1: to look into it, but I know they have like
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy and Vita Via up front in the middle,
Speaker 1: so that probably lends itself more like a four or three.
Speaker 1: Those guys are like d tackles and then you've got
Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul on the outside and whatever else on
Speaker 1: the other side. But um, yeah, it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: wherever his scheme is. And I mean just from like
Speaker 1: an obvious standpoint, wouldn't you rather coach the pairs and
Speaker 1: the defense? You want to talk more about these quarterback rankings, Greg,
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that stands out to you as
Speaker 1: I look at them? Are you making these available anywhere?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if I can like submit
Speaker 1: them on fantasy pros. I don't know. Maybe I'll ask
Speaker 1: Scott like if he wants them, but I could just
Speaker 1: tweet them out. I think little more. Jackson is an
Speaker 1: interesting asked me. I'll just give them to you. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not like you interesting. I'll give you my rankings
Speaker 1: for free. You're super Really, that's fine. They're gonna change,
Speaker 1: you know what. It was hard for me to rank
Speaker 1: at the time, and it still kind of is because
Speaker 1: they haven't named Dirk Cutter the offensive coordinator yet, but
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan they have. They have named him the offense
Speaker 1: and Mike mclarkey is the Titan's coach. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: I I don't doubt that you're kidding. Greg Um. Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan at QB six is this the right spot? Is
Speaker 1: it too high? I know he finished QB two overall
Speaker 1: this year, but I think under Dirt Cutter. Again, everyone's
Speaker 1: gonna talk about this first year under an under an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for Matt Ryan, typically he does not bode well,
Speaker 1: but he has familiarity already with Dirk Cutter because he's
Speaker 1: worked under Dirk Cutter. And if we're looking just under
Speaker 1: first year coordinators, under Dirk Cutter was the most success
Speaker 1: that Matt Ryan had under a first year o C.
Speaker 1: He the thirty two touchdowns in his first year with
Speaker 1: Dirk Cutter as the o C in Atlanta. So I
Speaker 1: actually think that this does bode well for Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1: And uh, I actually I like him quite a bit
Speaker 1: as the QB six. Yeah, I hear you. I I
Speaker 1: don't know, You're not gonna You're not gonna get it
Speaker 1: next year. No, no, I get it. Knowing what Dirk
Speaker 1: Carter wants to do, my rins fine. Like I said it.
Speaker 1: While you're running down the list, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: the two names right behind him, huge question marks, huge
Speaker 1: question I didn't even know where to rank Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: but I just think based on upside pedigree, what he's
Speaker 1: done in the past and while he was healthy, looked
Speaker 1: pretty good in this North Turner offense. You want to
Speaker 1: talk about a guy kind of like building his scheme
Speaker 1: to fit the players he has. North Turner came in
Speaker 1: and Carolina and actually did just that. So credits to
Speaker 1: north Turner and Cam Newton. They worked well together this
Speaker 1: year when he was healthy, Cam Newton was very good
Speaker 1: over You know what a lot of people are gonna remember,
Speaker 1: which is, you know we have recency bias as fantasy players,
Speaker 1: is the final month where Cam Newton burnt everybody. That's
Speaker 1: what everyone's gonna remember. We still have to remember the
Speaker 1: guy that typically has been a top five six quarterback
Speaker 1: every single year. So that's why I haven't ranked at
Speaker 1: QB seven. I have to figure out what the what
Speaker 1: the Seahawks do do? Do they retain Brian Schottenheimer? What
Speaker 1: do you think I would have been fired by now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. So how much is gonna change
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson. I can already see the articles trick
Speaker 1: trickling in now Greg in terms of the Seahawks can't
Speaker 1: repeat this kind of efficiency. His his touchdown percentage was
Speaker 1: way too high. It was the same thing we said
Speaker 1: about DeShawn Watson coming into this year. The same thing
Speaker 1: we've said about Carson Wentz is that you can't throw
Speaker 1: touchdowns at that rate when you don't throw for that
Speaker 1: many yards. Difference is exactly what happened with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: But the difference is he didn't run the football either.
Speaker 1: The difference is even still like DeShawn Watson and Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz like they're going to throw the football like the
Speaker 1: petition hates running Sean like the text is, actually were
Speaker 1: pretty balances here, but Russell Wilson like that Ifficiawn Watson
Speaker 1: didn't throw for that many touchdowns here, nobody had that
Speaker 1: many touchdown but he he rushed a lot what helped Shawn.
Speaker 1: But there was balanced that was more balanced in my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't more balanced offensive it Russell Wilson and Seattle.
Speaker 1: The problem is if he's not that efficient, he would
Speaker 1: to bottom out like even Judy He's like but he
Speaker 1: but the occasions can he can he maintain this EFFI
Speaker 1: is he is one of the best pure pastors in
Speaker 1: the NFL Greg So if you're running the ball that
Speaker 1: effectively and defenses are respecting the run, why can't Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson repeat this kind of efficiency? And that's just me
Speaker 1: playing devil's advocate. Why can't he if they run the
Speaker 1: ball that effectively because it sets up the path. I
Speaker 1: just knew that efficiency is really hard to match its all,
Speaker 1: and I'm probably closer to you. I don't as of
Speaker 1: right now. I'm very like wishy washy on Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: Just and it was all season long. You know, you
Speaker 1: would see these stat lines two passing yards, three touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He would rush for like fifteen yards. Weird season, very
Speaker 1: very weird season from Russell Wilfs. I don't know this
Speaker 1: for sure. I'm looking up right now. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: this was his lowest rushing output in it. What would
Speaker 1: you bet on that was? This is lowest rushing output
Speaker 1: of the year. I'll give you the number two d
Speaker 1: seventy six rushing yards this year for Russell Wilson. Was
Speaker 1: that the lowest rushing output of his career? Yes? Wrong?
Speaker 1: He rushed for two hundred and fifty nine in ten
Speaker 1: when he also threw for when he won touchdowns and
Speaker 1: eleven interceptions. That was That was a brutal season. That
Speaker 1: was a brutal season for Russell Wilson. But if he's
Speaker 1: not he's not adding the fantasy value with his legs
Speaker 1: that he used to be. He's just not throwing for
Speaker 1: that many yards. He threw four two hundred thirty three
Speaker 1: yards per game. This is actually kind of right on
Speaker 1: part with his career. But he threw he also threw
Speaker 1: actually no, that was that was his playoffs. This is annoying.
Speaker 1: Greg for two hundred and fifteen yards per game this year,
Speaker 1: which that number is the lowest since when he was
Speaker 1: a second year quarterback in fifteen yards per games. But
Speaker 1: he threw thirty five touchdowns, which is the most of
Speaker 1: his career. It's ridiculous like that that. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's replicable. Four seven passing attempts this year, the third
Speaker 1: fewest of his career, the lowest when he was a
Speaker 1: second year quarter threw thirty five touchdowns on four seven
Speaker 1: passing attempts. It's an eight point two touchdown percentage. Touchdown
Speaker 1: percentage is the percentage of your throws that go for touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Eight point two. He's a career six percent touchdown rate. Guy,
Speaker 1: how do you project Russell Wilson next year? I think good, Look,
Speaker 1: the floor is yours. I don't really think I need luck.
Speaker 1: I think it to me when you are throwing touch
Speaker 1: as at the rate that Russell Wilson did where he
Speaker 1: passed the ball a the lowest and is used a sophomore.
Speaker 1: The amount of times it was a software and in
Speaker 1: a career high in passing touchdowns. That that there's no
Speaker 1: balance the right, Like, that's not something that all right,
Speaker 1: this makes sense, Like you threw the most times, so
Speaker 1: he had the most tousdowns alright, fine, at least touches
Speaker 1: because he threw the least amount of times. Fine, you
Speaker 1: know it was somewhere in the middle. You can get
Speaker 1: behind it, but the most the least. It doesn't work
Speaker 1: that touchdown numbers coming down. This is the offense that
Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer and Pete Carroll want. Clearly they do they change,
Speaker 1: you know, following what just happened in the playoffs. No,
Speaker 1: because it got him in the playoffs. No, but it
Speaker 1: lost in the playffs. Maybe they change it in the
Speaker 1: playoffs next year. Right, Maybe I'm not doing Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: next year. There's enough guy ranked too high at QB eight.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's enough guys behind him, Philip Rivers and Jared Goff.
Speaker 1: Would you rather have either of those guys? I probably
Speaker 1: rather Philip Rivers. Yeah, I could see people pushing Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers down the board. I personally wouldn't. He's gonna get
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry back right like Williams is probably gonna play
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. I'd rather Philip Rivers. I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of people who have Jared Goff inside their top six
Speaker 1: or tomes. Yeah, the Jerry goffthing is interesting. Then Jerry
Speaker 1: goffthing is interesting. The final months of the season, he
Speaker 1: was very bad, very bad because they played a really
Speaker 1: tough schedule that final month. It was QB twenty five
Speaker 1: from weeks twelve to seventeen. Weeks twelve to seventeen, you
Speaker 1: do something interesting names Greg Josh Allen was QB one.
Speaker 1: I have Drew Brees. I rather have Drew Brees and
Speaker 1: the wrestle Awson. I don't feel great about Drew Brees either.
Speaker 1: You never do. I did. I didn't. Admittedly I didn't
Speaker 1: have Drew Brees this year anywhere. And you know what,
Speaker 1: and I say this every year. What I tell people
Speaker 1: to do is what I do do, So you know,
Speaker 1: I put my money where my mouth is. Like, if
Speaker 1: Drew Brees went off this year and he was fine,
Speaker 1: look at where he finished overall, but Drew Brees the
Speaker 1: first four weeks when he was him and Him and
Speaker 1: Kamara show Michael Thomas great. Once they traded for Eli Apple,
Speaker 1: the defense started to play a little bit better. They
Speaker 1: get mark Ingram back, They're more of a balance attack.
Speaker 1: We were talking about at one point, you don't want
Speaker 1: to use Drew Brees for daily like Drew Brees was
Speaker 1: an afterthought towards like the final month or two of
Speaker 1: the season. Again, they were away from New Orleans three
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Speaker 1: QB eight overall this year great, it's pretty good. That's want.
Speaker 1: Jared Goff was one spot higher. I want to I
Speaker 1: don't want to draft him in Russells Russell Wilson wants
Speaker 1: spot behind him. I want to fry points and would
Speaker 1: I just tell you I want to draft Freezer could
Speaker 1: be eight. But just because it happens one year doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you know, you gotta project forward. I understand that.
Speaker 1: But Drew Brees the same guy. It's changed. But what
Speaker 1: if they get closer to what he was last year?
Speaker 1: Because we saw the first four weeks the defense was terrible.
Speaker 1: He had to put the team on his back in
Speaker 1: these shootouts. Now, if the defense continues to take these
Speaker 1: step forward and picks up from this year, you have
Speaker 1: to pass that month. You said that. This is literally
Speaker 1: the argument you had to me in July and August.
Speaker 1: It this year. You know that, right, That's the same
Speaker 1: argument I made for Jared Golf. I didn't have Jared
Speaker 1: Goff anywhere. Nobody did. I thought their defense was going
Speaker 1: to dominate and he wouldn't be asked to doo much
Speaker 1: and it would be the girly show I had most
Speaker 1: of the season. It was because of you. I had
Speaker 1: the Saints in the first week of the NFL season,
Speaker 1: and I lost videos of them because they had negative
Speaker 1: It didn't have the Saints I did. I had the Saint.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you that. Like the Saints defense, the
Speaker 1: Saints defense, I think it gets a box now. No, no, no,
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Speaker 1: Where would you feel comfortable drafting? Josh Allen, Greg, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna raft Josh Allen. You're not gonna draft Josh
Speaker 1: Allen at all? Well, where would you feel comfortable ranking
Speaker 1: that's realized they didn't have I don't have him rank
Speaker 1: he would be if I had to just do this
Speaker 1: now on the fly. Would you rather have next year
Speaker 1: Josh Allen or Tom Brady? Greg Brady? Come on? Sorry,
Speaker 1: come on, Greg? Where's that? Where's that progressive fantasy hipstery
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier on in the show. Did
Speaker 1: it take Tom Brady? The same guy who would hire
Speaker 1: fix Fanjio? As he said, Cook, all right, we'll take
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