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Yeah? 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:04.160 This as the Fantasy Best Friends Forever. Here are the 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.800 Fantasy Sports rare new network alongside Frankie stamfel, I am 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:12.440 Greg Sauce, been Franky? What's going on about? What's going on? 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.399 Hump day here? Also happy birthday too, thought i'd get 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.360 that out at the top of the show. Let's talk 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.800 about creating, including some breaking news. Yeah, we have three 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.680 new head coaching hires or a official and let's start 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.520 with the latest wonder Frankie, and that is that the 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.960 Cleveland Browns kind of did the sensible thing here and 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.280 promoted Freddie Kitchens from offensive coordinator to head coach. It's 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.600 interesting because Greg Williams is obviously the head coach second 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.640 half of the year, but there's Freddie Kitchens that got 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.080 lauded by everyone with the job he did. Kitchens was 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.039 not allowed to interview anywhere else. He was unther contract 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.560 Cleveland Browns, and the interviewed them, loved what they heard 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.440 and promoted him to the head coach. And one of 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.160 the first things I texted you today was my hope 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.120 for the Jets was that they were they were, the 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.280 Browns would hire someone else and then the Jets pounce 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.800 on Freddie Kitchens. That's obviously not going to happen. But 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.160 I have absolutely no problem with this higher just based 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.640 on the way he took over the offense once Hugh 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.760 Jackson was gone and once Hodd Haley was gone, and 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.040 what he did with Baker Mayfield and got the most 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.760 out of Nick Chubb. And there was a lot of 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.160 talk about once he took over the way the offensive 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.720 line protected Baker Mayfield. I mean, there's a lot to 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.800 be said for that. I know that once he took over, 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.520 Baker Mayfield was was one of the fewest touched quarterbacks 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.200 in terms of like QB hits and QB hurries. Once 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.320 Freddie Kitchens took over, so he obviously knows what he's 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:38.840 doing in terms of protection scheme. Uh again, Nick Chubb, 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.520 what he was able to do. It really was kind 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:46.160 of like a run first offense with Chubb. But even so, 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.480 Baker Mayfield was awesome. You look at the metrics. I mean, 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.359 he just broke the rookie record in terms of passing touchdowns. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.680 We know how good Baker was coming out of college, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.799 the most accurate college pastor of all time, and that 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.360 you know, huge and Todd Haley weren't getting that out 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.640 of him. So just to go from see that kind 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:08.720 of advance in his statistical output game to game, from 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.639 huge accidents hot Haley to Freddy Kitchens. I love the 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:12.880 job that he did. I don't have a problem with 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.280 the higher at all. And with that we have more 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.560 breaking news, Frank. Another head coach has been hired, this 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.880 time in Denver, where Vic Fangio has been announced as 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.640 the head coach. Longtime league defensive coordinator. I think the 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.280 dude's pretty old. It's like sixty years old. Fangio has 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.040 never got an opportunity to be a head coach anywhere. 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.680 He was the defensive coordinator with the Chicago Bears, obviously 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.000 had a fantastic job this year, the nice job under 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.200 John Foxes. Well before that, he was the defensive the 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.320 coordinator in San Francisco and Jim Harball and they're awesome 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.400 defenses with Patrick Willis and whatnot. It's gonna a matter 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.080 certainly a lot who the offensive coordinator will be in Denver. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.760 But Vic Fangio the brand new head coach for the 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.080 Denver Broncos. Yeah, the Broncos kind of zigging when everyone 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.280 else is zagging right now, you mentioned it. Vic Fangio 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.680 is sixty years old, So he's not the Cliff Kingsbury. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.000 He's not your thirty nine year old head coach that's 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.119 coming in here and he's gonna teach his spread offensive concepts. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.200 It's actually the exact opposite. But we also have the 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.760 job that his defense with the Bears did this year. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.840 You mentioned he's never really had an opportunity to be 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.960 a head coach. You defensive coordinator with the forty Niners, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.960 as you mentioned, from defensive coordinator with Stanford. Before that, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:22.960 he spent some time with the Baltimore Ravens. This guy 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.840 has been around football for a long time, dating back 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:30.720 to New Orleans Saints back in he was a linebackers coach. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:35.599 So again, this will this is kind of this. This 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.920 will be a good test to see, like what works out? 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.719 Is it more of do you want that leader of 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.640 men type guy and surround yourself with with a good 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:48.520 O C and see what happens here. This will be 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.480 a good test because everyone else is trying to find 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.240 that next Sean McVeigh, right. You know, Matt with Flora 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.599 ends up with the Packers, um Cliff Kingsbury. As we mentioned, 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.039 it'll be interesting to see who he brings in as 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.800 the OC. I don't really mind because Denver, you know, 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.039 the past couple of years, has prided themselves on defense. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.960 If you still have some defensive pieces, I don't think 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.920 it's a terrible move. I think he's deserving. But yeah, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.360 it's gonna be big to find out who they hire 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.880 at the OC. You talked about Ziggy win zagging here 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.160 with Vic Fangio. I mean, he's certainly not young, and 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:20.600 he's not on the offensive side of the ball. He's 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.719 been a defensive coach. Defense is assistant in the NFL 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.320 consistently really since nineteen six. He was a linebackers coach 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.840 for the Saints. Back then. He was the defensive coordinator 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.040 in the first three years of the Carolina Panthers organization 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:38.280 under Don Cabers. Went from there over to the Indianapolis Colts, 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.320 then went to the Houston Texas defensive coordinator once again 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.800 with Don Cabers, was a defensive assistant with the Ravens, 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.520 was a linebackers coach with the Ravens, defensive coordinator in Stanford, 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.240 defensive coordinator with the Niners, and then the defensive coordinator 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.200 with the San Francisco for Niner has been around a 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.479 long time, appens, he said, sixty years old. Is Vic 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.120 Fangio the brand new head coach of the Denver Broncos. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.960 I Right, like the strong linebackers there, Bradley Chubb von Miller, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:04.320 you want to coach them up. You want to be 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.200 a defensive team. The offensive coordinator doesn't matter in a 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.400 major way for the players that we care about, right, Frankie. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.679 For the Philip Lindsays of the world, the Roy Spremens 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.240 of the world, the Courtland Suttons of the world, and 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.440 whoever the quarterback is out there for the Devern Barbaraco's 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.560 um interesting higher there by John Elway. You wonder if 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.880 Gary Kubia could be the offensive coordinator there and then 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.640 you're the most boring team ever and that would just 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.000 defy everything else that's happening in the NFL going with 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.600 Gary Kubiak probably just run the ball thirty times a game? 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.960 Is there anything based on where he's been before? Just 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.360 looking at it like people he's worked under, Like who 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.479 is who would he be tied to in terms of 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.880 like an offensive quarter Like is Kubiak actually one of them? 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.920 Or can you see one of these other kind of 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.000 often offensive minded head coaches who just got fired land 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:53.640 here is an o C maybe like an Adam Gaze 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.880 or something like So Adam Gaze has very bad blood 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.520 with John Elway from not getting the job previously. So 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.720 that so that's not happening. Um, they didn't work together 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.400 in Chicago Geese uh and Fangio, but so it's possible. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.799 The name that just comes to mind is Dwell Luggin's 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.560 was the opposite coinator in Chicago with Fangio. He's been 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.360 off as the coordinator all all around the block. He 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.680 was there with John Fox, Yes, and Fangio was while 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.560 the Fangio was defensive coordinator, so they do have some 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.720 experience working together. So that's like one name that immediately 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.520 comes to mind. I mentioned Gary Kubiak um because of 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.920 always love for Kubiak. Obviously he was his backup. He 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.480 was the head coach in Denver on the Super Bowl there. Um, 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.960 so that's somebody I'm sure that that if he's helped 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.320 his right that lay would want to happen. Um, those 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:39.640 are probably the names that come to my most. Um. Yeah, 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.120 I guess that kind of does it like like Peth 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:45.040 Hamilton's they worked together at one point, so um, yeah, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.280 that's that's probably what comes to mind there in Denver, 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:52.400 Frank Denver those one way with the older sixty year 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.040 old Fangio. I'm not saying that's bad, it's just different 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.160 than for everyone else is doing. Dude's deserving. He's been 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.360 around forever and he's done a really nice job. In 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.720 his last do you Stops Arizona, they went the complete 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:09.040 other way. They promoted were signed should say Cliff Kingsbury, 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.120 who frankically give you all the stats in just a 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.800 few moments with what he did at Texas Tech. But 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.120 Kingsbury is the model for Sean is Jean mcphay is 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:18.840 the model of Kingsbury, Right, So it's all the same. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.440 He's a young, good looking dude that has had a 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.280 lot of success on the offensive side of the ball 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.160 as a head coach. Not so much, Frank and said, 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.600 we'll give the stats in a second. He's been lauded 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.080 for developing Patrick Mahomes, He's been lauded for having Baker 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.240 Mayfield on his team. He's been lauded for his ideas. 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.319 He was a former offensive coordinator at UFC USC Rather, 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.720 we spoke about the morals of that yesterday, but we 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.200 didn't get into, Frank is, what kind of success we 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.319 expect Kingsbury to have in Arizona and how will shape 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.480 the offense. We're all about finding out what the offensive 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.920 coordinator is and jumping on his tendencies rather than just 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.199 assuming it will be all of the same. What do 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.000 you know about Cliff Kingsbury and what do you expect 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:05.040 in Arizona. So Cliff Kingsbury was the the up and comer, 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.640 the hot young candidate, you know, only thirty nine years old, 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.400 spent some time in the NFL as like a third 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.360 string quarterback. I played with the Patriots. He was drafted 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.360 by the Patriots originally in two thousand three with Bill Belichick. 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.320 Played for the Saints the Jets. He was only in 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.640 the league for about three years. Went out to Houston, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.960 was an offensive quality control coach there. He was a 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.840 co offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach. He was there. He worked 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.719 with case Keenum when case Keenum played in college, and 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.280 case Keenum was an awesome college player. So this he 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:38.280 does have history coaching up quarterbacks. You've seen some of 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.320 the names that his other names he's worked with. He 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.640 was at Texas A and M as the offensive coordinator there, 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.280 worked with Johnny Manzel. Went out to Texas Tech where 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.880 he was the head coach from and a lot of 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.000 people point to his record while he's at Texas Tech 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:59.440 thirty five and forty. Now is that completely relevant. I 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.240 don't want to old that against him. I think there 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.480 are other things that you can hold against Cliff Kingsbury, 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.840 which I'm going to get into. But he did he did, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.839 you know, bring in Baker Mayfield. He was also the 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.840 guy who let Baker Mayfield go. He you know, he 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.960 ended up benching Baker Mayfield for David's Webb while he 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.080 was at Texas Tech, and then he also had Patrick Mahomes. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.319 But having Patrick Mahomes and seeing what we just saw 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.680 in the NFL this year, a quarterback who in his 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.640 second year through for five thousand yards and fifty touchdowns 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.360 is a blessing and a curse because if you had 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.960 Patrick Mahomes, why weren't your teams better? Why weren't his 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.040 numbers better? Why wasn't he more successed? Why wasn't he 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.760 higher than the tenth overall pick in the NFL draft? 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.320 And I know there's some trepidation with teams drafting quarterbacks 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.040 out of the Big twelve, so on and so forth, 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:48.400 with the spread offenses. But Patrick Mahomes his final season 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.760 at Texas Tech or do you want touchdowns? Ten interceptions? 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.480 A great season, but it wasn't good enough for him 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.680 to get drafted higher than ten. Why couldn't he get 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.160 more out of Patrick Momes? Why why couldn't he get 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.600 a nun at of ten? Mad? No, it's not bad, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.600 No it is, But why wasn't he one of these 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.320 guys that was considered like a consensus, like Toua or 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.160 Trevor Lawrence or something like that. So it's both a 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.240 blessing and a curse, the fact that he had Patrick 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.520 Mahomes and didn't get enough out of him. I'll give 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.400 credit where it's due. I was listening to the Pick 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.000 six podcast on my way in today from the CBS 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:22.520 Sports podcast network, and they were talking about in Patrick 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.679 mahomes Is final game as a member of Texas Tech, 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.079 he lost six six under Cliff Kingsbury. There was a 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.079 reason why Cliff Kingsbury was fired at Texas second he 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.120 went on to USC where he was the offensive coordinator. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.680 We spoke about this a little bit yesterday about you know, 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.480 what happened between the time when he was named o 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.520 C and like November, December whatever it was till now 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.360 where he left them, and a lot of people are 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.400 talking about that today, and you know how it's ethically wrong. 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.800 We spoke about it. Whatever, that's fine. I don't have 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:53.560 a problem with him leaving that job to become a 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:58.240 head coach at the NFL level. The problem is, why 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.959 couldn't he get more out of Pat Mahomes or you 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.280 know why what if his offense was so successful, why 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.679 wasn't his record better? Right? You know, I'm not even 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.240 gonna hold the record against him, but they're already you know, 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.760 I've read things about how his his personality is it 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.080 gonna messtion er Josh Rosen. Josh Rosen is kind of 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.360 like a closed off dude. Didn't really get along with 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.360 like the coaching staff this year in Arizona. I know 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.560 there was like personality issues with a U c. L A. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.160 So again, he runs like the spread offense. It's like 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.920 this air raid offense, which originally came from Mike Leach. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.960 Right if if I'm if, I'm not absolutely Kingsbury as 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.439 a quarterback under Mike Leach. So that's what they're trying 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.360 to find. They're trying to find these new concepts and 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.880 trying to find ways to successfully pass the ball at 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:43.959 the NFL level, because that's the way of the NFL's training. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.239 You have to be able to pass the ball successfully. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.480 And he gets that out of Josh Rosen. That's what 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.880 they're hoping. That's why they make this higher. I see 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.880 both sides of the coin. I don't necessarily hold the 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.600 record against him, but I do hold the fact that 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.680 he had a quarterback in Baker Mayfield, who as of 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:00.960 right now it looks like he's gonna be a pretty 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.520 damn good NFL quarterback bench him for Davis Webb. So 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.600 he didn't know what he had in Baker Mayfield and 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.120 then didn't ultimately get the like he was very good 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.640 with Patrick Mahomes, but to me didn't get the most 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.800 out of him because obviously we see what Andy Reid 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.680 and Eric b Nimi or b Enemy got out of 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.920 Patrick Mahomes this year. Just a quick update, looks say 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.800 I was right by the way corn Adam Schefter Vic 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.160 Fangio runs the defense in the Broncos. The offense were 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:32.480 run by Gary Kubia Gary Kubiak as we As we mentioned, 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.600 Kubiak um took time off had some major health issues, 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.559 so he had to retire essentially as the head coach 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.839 of the Broncos, working in their front office. But you know, 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.079 you know that he likes the love. He loves John Elway. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.679 They have a love affair with each other and and 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.280 Kubiak will return to the sidelines as the offensive coordinator 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:54.199 in Denver. Just can't quit. I just can't quit the 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.600 Kubiak creety. No. I think it's interesting what going back 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.240 to Arizona here for a second, and after the break 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.880 will get into what tamp Bays doing. But um I 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.640 got an interesting Frankie in Arizona where we know we 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.560 talked all the time and specifically yesterday about teams doing 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.439 the opposite of what they what they've done in the past. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:14.440 Right last year, the Arizona Cardinals took their time with 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:18.760 their coaching search, and there was kind of a a carousel, 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:20.840 if you will, more than the coaching carousel, but like 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.040 a merry go round of where the coaches will end 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.360 up with that Patricia and Pat Shermer and Steve Wilkes, 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.840 and there are three jobs with the Lions, the Giants 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.200 and the Cardinals. These three guys were gonna end up 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.440 with and it kind of landed where Shermer ended up 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.239 in New York, Patricia in Detroit, and Wilkes in Arizona, 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.920 and Steve Wilkes the well, it's relatively veteran head coach, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:50.200 defensive coordinator, you know, mid forties, exciting, solid dude, one 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.160 year piece could put. The offense was pathetic. Now, a 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.480 lot of that's on general manager Steve Kinmen. There's not 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.200 enough talent there. The offensive was obviously pathetic. Mike Boyd 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.400 deserves part of the blame. He lasted like four weeks. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.840 So what do the Cardinals do this time? He complete 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:14.120 and utter opposite. The interview very few candidates. They meet 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:18.480 Cliff Kingsbury one time and they hire him within hours. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.600 Will it work? Will it be successful? I don't know. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.560 People forget that when the Ramps hire Sean McVeigh, it 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.080 wasn't they interviewed this dude and then immediately hired him. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.880 Sean McVeigh was interviewed, is part of a very long 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.400 process for the Rams that went on for weeks, and 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.440 they took their time and they decided, you know what, 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:42.120 this guy seems like the best candidate. Cardinals didn't do that, 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:44.960 rushed to hire Cliff Kingsbury. And I don't know if 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.080 the Jets were that interested where they had to, otherwise 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:52.080 he may have gotten out. I don't know. Matt naked 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:53.680 with the Bearers. I mean the Bearers took their time 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.440 with this search. They interviewed several different candidates before they 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.560 hired Matt Neke. Cardinals seem like they rushed this one 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.280 a little bit. Will it work out? Does it matter? 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:09.440 They don't know, but everyone Wing Crown Cliff Kingsbury, what's 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.920 your horses a little bit there? And there's a big 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.480 debate on Twitter too, because there's a lot of analytics 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.680 guys that see where the NFL is going, where the 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.120 NFL is trending in terms of the passing success that 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.240 you need nowadays, and that's why they're in support of 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.680 Cliff Kingsbury. And then there's the old guard who's like, 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.200 why doesn't the guy, you know, why don't more guys 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.120 like Vic Fangio get opportunities. So, you know, there's a 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.200 big clash on Twitter right now between at least what 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.440 I've seen between you know, those who are advocates of 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.040 Cliff Cliff Kingsbury are more like the analytics guys, like 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.720 the the guys who are kind of you know, those 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.880 are That's what's happening right now when it comes to 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.800 Cliff Kingsbury. And the Cardinals are all in on them, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.320 like they're you know, they're putting out all these highlight 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.960 packages of him and releasing all these videos and they 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.160 got the Arizona Cardinals Twitter is they're spelling Cardinals with 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.480 k now like they're all in on this, And there 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.640 was a report with that apparently when he met with 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.879 the Jets. He had already. It was basically a lock 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:06.280 that he was already gonna be with the Cardinals. Like 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.159 the only reason he even met with the Jets so 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.400 that they could pick his brain about his offense. Justus 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.960 to get more Jets than that anything Like with the Jets. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.560 We come back because my friends are killing me today 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.520 because I don't want them to as an objective, totally objective. 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.679 I don't want them to hire Mike Michael McCarthy and 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.160 I think that Gary Kubiak is hilarious and they think 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:25.879 it's a joke. Let's talk with us in a second. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.600 More on the way after this. Daily rodo dot Com 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.439 learned from the game's best DFS players. We don't just 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:38.600 give you advice. We play every day, all major sports, 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:43.000 all year round. 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Okay, So I'm getting roasted at the moment. 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:55.840 My roast of Greg Sussman in my group shot a conversation. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.400 I let being roast megroup chat because I don't think 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:03.159 the Jets hiring Mike McCarthy or Adam Gaze is a 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.560 good idea. I laughed when the Denver Broncos promoted Gary Kubiak, 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.520 and the response I get every time, specifically with McCarthy 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.639 and Kubiak, they want a Super Bowl. Oh yeah. So 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.880 McCarthy developed Aaron Rodgers. They they went to the playoffs 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.600 nine of his thirteen years. I understand, but like he 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:22.960 got fired because their offenses of vanilla and that hasn't 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:27.080 changed in years. And the responses, well, he developed Aaron 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:28.920 Rodgers and clearly he's doing something right. And there was 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.160 a riff there that personality didn't work and it's like 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.720 Andy Reid and it was time for a change. When 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.760 it comes to Gary Kubiak, he won a Super Bowl 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:42.399 just a couple of years ago. What's great higher And 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.280 I'm just like, what, Yes, that's true, but the one 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.040 because of their defense. Well, it's always something with you. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.879 You make excuses, you need to follow what everyone on 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.760 Twitter saying. You need the young, sexy ire like everybody wants. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:55.760 And I'm just like, no, I just don't think Gary 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.359 Kubiak is creative. I don't think McCarthy's creative. I think 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.960 Adam Gaze did a terrible job in Miami using the 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.800 skill they had. But look at his record, look at 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.240 his record, and they got lucky. See, it's always something 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.400 with you. Well, who do you want the Jets to hire? 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.479 I go on not all honestly, like, and you know 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:14.640 this has said this on the show, like I don't 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.680 like Todd Monken any there personally, I don't have I 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.480 don't I don't, unfortunately, have a good answer for you. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.560 I don't. I don't see like the best candidate out there. Right, 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:23.840 there's no there's been no candidate where I've said I've 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.679 said to you, frankly, I said this from yesterday. I 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.040 said from the beginning to me, there was no ended 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.159 it like that that stood out. And I've said this 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.119 to you, like, I don't have a good answer for you. 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.000 There's not one guy who I'm pointing out like that's 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.400 exactly who the Jets should hire right there. There's there's 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.600 anyone candidate for the first any team, Like, and people 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.080 ask me that I think Monkin or Matt Rule would 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.680 be better than a car and but like the response 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:47.120 to you would be like, you just want a younger, 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.439 sexy name. This is it, that's what you want. And 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.320 I'm just like, I don't, I don't I understand why 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.000 you're using that argument against me, because that's what Twitter sayers. 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:58.760 And I have to follow Twitter, and it was just 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.560 with Twitter. There are people on Twitter who actually like 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:05.600