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Speaker 1: when we'll see you. You've been a huge NFL guy

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Speaker 1: I think the recruiting process is different than everybody else's.

431
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Speaker 1: And so Nick Saban is is going to tab you.

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Speaker 1: And I would use this example like Marty Cooper who

433
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Speaker 1: obviously it was an amazing college receiver and before it

434
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Speaker 1: like to the NFL, like he was not a big

435
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Speaker 1: recruit coming out of South Florida, and you know, Miami

436
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Speaker 1: at the time not move on him fast enough. He

437
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Speaker 1: went went to a camp at at Alabama. Nick Saban

438
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Speaker 1: watched him worked out, and he didn't care that he

439
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Speaker 1: was at the time probably equivalent about three star. I

440
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Speaker 1: don't even know if he was. He might have been

441
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Speaker 1: a no star at that point. Nick Saban thought he

442
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Speaker 1: was had a chance to be special. He offered him

443
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Speaker 1: and the pipe flying to South Florida was cranked up

444
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Speaker 1: and going because Nick Saban trusts his evaluation. I feel

445
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Speaker 1: like one of the things you have with the great

446
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Speaker 1: Fruit they trust their own evaluations. And you know, I

447
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Speaker 1: saw that it was a great recruit to l s

448
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Speaker 1: u h trust his evaluations. He doesn't really care what

449
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Speaker 1: your star ranking is, and so that was a big

450
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Speaker 1: piece of it. Bruce making her way from the SCC

451
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Speaker 1: to the to the Pact twelve USC and and Clay Hilton,

452
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Speaker 1: what's the leash like on him this season? That's a

453
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Speaker 1: good question. I feel like, you know, two years ago

454
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Speaker 1: their recruiting was really struggling with him being on the

455
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Speaker 1: hot teaper so long, and then last year he shook

456
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Speaker 1: up the staff. It was like, I had a great year. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I think the assistance that some of these as

458
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Speaker 1: systems they added really were good at developing relationships and

459
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Speaker 1: cultivating trust and everything like that, and that helps. And

460
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Speaker 1: they got some time local players especially, and that I

461
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Speaker 1: think it's given them some some some new energy and

462
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Speaker 1: some needed momentum. But if they remember last year they

463
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Speaker 1: played for the Pactbell title, they didn't win it. They

464
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Speaker 1: didn't have anybody out of the conference It's also at

465
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Speaker 1: the beginning of here they almost lost. They really mediocre

466
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Speaker 1: Arizona program that was winless and almost lost. They were

467
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Speaker 1: trailing that game without a minute left. So you know,

468
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Speaker 1: I think if they know, if they win nine games,

469
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Speaker 1: you go nine and three, you know, USC fans won't

470
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Speaker 1: think it's a great year. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: can fire him then I think if they go win

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Speaker 1: en go tend and two. I really don't think you

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Speaker 1: can fire him. The question is if you're nine and three,

474
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Speaker 1: certainly eight and four, you know, can you you know,

475
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Speaker 1: can you get Matt Campbell from Iowa State set and

476
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Speaker 1: would he want to come? Um, if you can get them,

477
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Speaker 1: if you have an option out there that you think

478
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Speaker 1: is they really makes a lot of sense and get

479
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Speaker 1: people excited, then I think, you know that's going to

480
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Speaker 1: put even more pressure on him. You know, as Mario

481
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Speaker 1: Crystal bla guy where you'd be able to pull him

482
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Speaker 1: away from from Oregon and the other side of the

483
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: conference is obviously recruited Southern California excepolutely well. He brings

484
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Speaker 1: physical football, something I know a lot of old USC

485
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Speaker 1: players really admire, especially in the days right now where

486
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Speaker 1: they run an air raid, which you know, I think

487
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: people like Graham Harold, but I think they're not thrilled

488
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: over with USC being an air raid style team. So

489
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Speaker 1: you know, all those factors go into it. But to me,

490
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Speaker 1: the biggest thing above all is, you know, for a

491
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Speaker 1: lot of USC people, Looster's former players and powert brokers

492
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Speaker 1: around the program. I don't think I really were, you know,

493
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Speaker 1: felt like Clay helping should be the guy. So how

494
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Speaker 1: do you how does he convince them that he should

495
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Speaker 1: be the guy going forward? I don't know, Suter. If

496
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Speaker 1: he can win the Pactell title that's a ranked eleventh

497
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Speaker 1: in the country, I think a lot of the people

498
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Speaker 1: that matter at USC would just say, yeah, but the

499
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: PAC twelve is really down. We should be better than this.

500
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Speaker 1: I really think about the only real way he can

501
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Speaker 1: prove to those skeptics that he should have the job

502
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Speaker 1: going forward to get in the playoff I mean, get

503
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Speaker 1: into four teams playoffs and not be top twelve. And

504
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Speaker 1: that was gonna lead me to my next question, because

505
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Speaker 1: the changing of the guard in the Pack twelve with

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Speaker 1: Larry Scott being gone, what kind of resurgence, like, how

507
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Speaker 1: fast do you think we'll see a resurgence with the

508
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Speaker 1: Pack twelve being in that picture regularly with the Big Ten,

509
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Speaker 1: with the Big twelve, and with the SEC in the

510
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Speaker 1: A C C because you know, for all intensive purposes,

511
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: it's committing that kind of redhead step child like, Okay, yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: if you have one loss and you win your conference,

513
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Speaker 1: then then we'll consider you for a playoff game. But

514
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: for the most part, these guys are getting slacked left

515
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: and right, and part of it is because leadership at

516
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Speaker 1: the top. Yeah, I need to say that I'm not

517
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Speaker 1: to advocate to Larry Scott and so he did to

518
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Speaker 1: a job when I don't when I think he didn't

519
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Speaker 1: focus on the most important thing as it relates to,

520
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, running a Power of five conference. But ultimately,

521
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Speaker 1: if the USC was in the position it was when

522
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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll is a head coach, it didn't matter who

523
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Speaker 1: was running the Pack twelve at that point of the

524
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Speaker 1: Pac ten. At that point, you know, us like Larry Scott,

525
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Speaker 1: ping the commissioner is not the reason why USC football

526
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: went into a tail spin. It started with sanctions and

527
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Speaker 1: then it went to some really bad leadership above the

528
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Speaker 1: head football coach. You know, you can start with you know,

529
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Speaker 1: went from Mike Garrett's tenure had Hayden's decisions and then

530
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Speaker 1: to the curious and bizarre hire of Lynn Swan And

531
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Speaker 1: I think that or what leadership had way more, much

532
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Speaker 1: more to do with why the Pack twelve as a

533
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Speaker 1: football product has lagged. I mean, if you take a

534
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Speaker 1: look at the rest of the league, I mean, I

535
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: don't feel like the really um you know orribles. I

536
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: mean right now, christ Ball hasn't. It's not as scized

537
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: when chip Kelly had them scoring in football is not

538
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Speaker 1: like it's not the problem. Um, I don't think you

539
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: know the place where uh that would help them back

540
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: to all them mentally if chip Kelly got it going

541
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Speaker 1: at at U c l A. Beyond that, I don't

542
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Speaker 1: know if you looked at you know, Washington, Chris Peterson

543
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: had did did very well for the Huskies. They didn't

544
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Speaker 1: break into you know, they made the playoff, they didn't

545
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Speaker 1: do much beyond that. Um, you know, Stanford has back

546
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: slid under David Shaw in the last few years. But

547
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Speaker 1: beyond that, to me, is really comes back to the

548
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Speaker 1: l A schools, right. I mean, USC is the pre

549
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: eminent powerhouse. They're the ones that need to be a

550
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Speaker 1: national title consenter. They have not been U C l A,

551
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: which had some success under Jim Borra, has sputtered and

552
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: we'll see. Like I said, chif Kelly had a great

553
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Speaker 1: resume coming out of Oregon and had success you know,

554
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: early on in the NFL with the Eagles, but so

555
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Speaker 1: far it's been it's been a struggle to elevate that program.

556
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Speaker 1: That maybe year four this will be the year that

557
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Speaker 1: they break through and that would be a huge thing

558
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Speaker 1: for the conference. Right now, to me, it's really a

559
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Speaker 1: usc shortcoming when you look at what what how people do.

560
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: The back will help more than anything. And with that

561
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Speaker 1: said Bruce, So you mentioned Chip Kelly the I think

562
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Speaker 1: he's the most. He's won his four games. He's been

563
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Speaker 1: there three years. You know, I think they went four

564
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Speaker 1: and eight a couple of years ago. But the Boosters

565
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: that used to there's always the issue with the Bruins,

566
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Speaker 1: like are they're gonna find somebody for the football program?

567
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Speaker 1: You know, how much time does Chip have left? I

568
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: guess is the question as you know, if they go

569
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Speaker 1: out this year the Bruins and again have three or

570
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Speaker 1: four wins, does he come back to coach in two

571
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Speaker 1: or do they have someone else take over. Yeah, I

572
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Speaker 1: think if they are a three win team the last year,

573
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Speaker 1: it's a hard know, like they played seven games and

574
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, you could tell that they were

575
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Speaker 1: a better team, but they call me and it was

576
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Speaker 1: in a pandemic and it was abbreviated season. I think

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Speaker 1: if they go seven and five, I think there's a

578
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: lot of people around your style figure like, Okay, now,

579
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we got some momentum, We're started,

580
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Speaker 1: We've turned the corner. Because I feel like they were

581
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Speaker 1: definitely better last year than they were in his first

582
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Speaker 1: two years. I mean, he basically flipped the roster and

583
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Speaker 1: now a lot of guys that have played a lot

584
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Speaker 1: of football there. Now, if they go five and seven, yeah,

585
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: there's more wins than they've had before. But I think

586
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: then it's a tough sell. You have an a D.

587
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: We didn't hire them. I think you have some expectations

588
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: of Okay, maybe this just isn't a great fit here.

589
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: But I feel like if they if they get to

590
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: a plot season Bowls and I think you've seen some improvement,

591
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: it would not at all surprise me if they won

592
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Speaker 1: eight games this year or even more, because I feel

593
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Speaker 1: like they have really kind of now established a culture

594
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: or what he wants, Whereas when he was an orgy

595
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: and remember he was the offensive coordinator. When he jumped

596
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: in there, they were already rolling under Mike Ballati, and

597
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: then they really elevated when he became the head coach. Here,

598
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: he took over was already a program that was sputtering.

599
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: At the end of Gym More, they had they missed

600
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Speaker 1: on a bunch of recruits, and I think it was

601
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: a real cultural shift going from More to Kelly and

602
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: how he was going to runny things and they struggled.

603
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: Now I think they're out of that kind of malaise.

604
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: But let's see how much faster they can elevate and

605
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: can they ascend to me a top twenty five program again.

606
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: I think they have a real chance to do that

607
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, and it's staying in the pact. Twelve.

608
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: Herm Edwards, former NFL coach over at Arizona State. Ever,

609
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: they're pretty optimistic about their team, but there's also a

610
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: little bit of scandal there. How long do you see

611
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: Herm lasting with the Sun Devils? Yeah, I think it's

612
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: more than a little scandal, to be honest, When he

613
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: had through assistant coach to put on the show. That's

614
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: a full blown scandal. You know, the question is, I mean,

615
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: I've heard from our reporting that the A. D ray

616
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: Anderson really wants to keep firm. They really they really

617
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: would do whatever they tend to protect him. Antonio appears

618
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: and the defense were here, but really kind of the

619
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: de facto head coach running the program. Yet as a

620
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 1: relate from the scandal, you've had three young assistants who

621
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: are position coaches put on leave. Now they're still being paid.

622
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: But the question is it doesn't seem very plausible that

623
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: these three young like basically entry level assistance, we're bank

624
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: rolling some you know, this scandal as it relates to

625
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: bring in players on unofficial business where they were you know,

626
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: improper benefits also bringing players and from our report in

627
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: the Athletic herm had had had met with players during

628
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: the dead curry during COVID, which would be a real violation. UM,

629
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Speaker 1: I don't know how like the question is going to

630
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: be some of the former assistances were no longer in staff.

631
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Speaker 1: From what I've been told, they are going to be

632
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: willing to speak to the m C and discuss some

633
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: of these issues, and that doesn't bode well if you're

634
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: hours on the state. They're real question to me right

635
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: now is how quickly does this come to a head.

636
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: It does not look good for Arizona State. It's just

637
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: a question of just herm and that staff they really

638
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: make it through the season without this blowing up even further,

639
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: because you know, everything I've heard is they want to

640
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: basically have these three young staffer's kind of be the

641
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: fall guy for everything. And I don't know if that's

642
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: entirely plausible, but if the administrations we are going to

643
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: back them, you know, maybe they you know, the people

644
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: who that core unquote matter at Arizona State on and

645
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: the coaching like her, maybe they end up with show causes.

646
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: But Mullan at Florida has a show cause for recruiting

647
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: violations and he's still coaching there. And not only still

648
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: coaching there, Florida gave him a raise in this offseason

649
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: of a million plus. So it's hardly today Town University

650
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: is gonna handle scandal. Bruce On on a lighter note,

651
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: speaking of of coverage, with what you do at the

652
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: athletic um, it's an annual tradition with with the freaks

653
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: and I took a peek at your list and and

654
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong in the pronunciation. But Xavion

655
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: for Kron from Southern Illinois, that offensive guard squatting eight

656
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: hundred pounds and benching five hundred. Yeah, arguably the strongest

657
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: man in college football. He's a really fascinating story. Not

658
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: just this our house in the waiver of football field.

659
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: This is the guy who grew up, uh, you know,

660
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: without a father around his Both his mother and his

661
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 1: younger sister passed away in the last two years. Through

662
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: it all, was able to still manage to get a

663
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: four point o g p A is going for his

664
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: master's um head coach there and killed him and he's like,

665
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: this is the greatest leader I've ever been around. Just

666
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: to say enough good things about them. So one of

667
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: things I love about the Freaks List is just because

668
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: there are a lot of stories, maybe not exactly like

669
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: that one of great perseverance and everything that maybe manifest

670
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: themselfs like in the way you room more athletically, but

671
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: also it speaks to some of the character guys and

672
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: what they do and just being able to do it

673
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: in this format where you can tell these stories and

674
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: people may may click on the story to see the

675
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: three of the Sisty found left tackle at Alabama doing

676
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: crazy split like box jumps or seeing some other freaky stuff.

677
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: But then you you hear the story of a guy

678
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: like with and it just kind of really resonates with you. Yeah,

679
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: I mean I like it, especially because you don't just

680
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: you're not amongst the power of five. You dip into

681
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: the mac which I love in the Mountain West Conference

682
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: and of course the FCS like what was the genesis

683
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: of the freaks um? A long time ago, I was

684
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: doing a blog dot com, not going to be a magazine,

685
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: and you do the term he's a free gathlete. And

686
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: here's somebody who you know, like leg press twelve hundred

687
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: pounds that you know some some you know, five seventh

688
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: linebackers who was a walk on could do like you know,

689
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: three sixty dunk or some freaky athletic thing. And I

690
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: was like, I mentioned, there's ten guys I could do

691
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: a little story on, and so it was ten, and

692
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: I went to twenty five, and then when I got

693
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: to the athletic we went to fifty. And then as

694
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: this thing has gone on, I've been doing it for

695
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: fifteen plus years and had so much buy in from

696
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: college strength coaches around the country, developed those relationships where

697
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: now they've become a great source of intel um and

698
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: coaches as well. And now you start hearing from the

699
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: players themselves, and then you got to verify, you know,

700
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: players telling you he did some things, want to make

701
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: sure that's in fact accurate. Um. But there's been so

702
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: much fun from it that I was like, you know,

703
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: this year, I think I could probably do a hundred

704
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: because when ended up with a lot. So it's just

705
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: a it's a fun process. I learned a ton about

706
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: the players around the country, but also it's a great

707
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: way to get ready for the start of the seat.

708
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely now changing gears. I wanna go back to the

709
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Southeastern Conference here, Bruce and the news that came out

710
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: that eventually the Longhorns and Sooners are gonna be headed

711
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: to the SEC. Now I've heard from some people listen

712
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: to my my radio show, there's like, well, the the

713
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: SEC arrogance is that both these schools are not gonna matter.

714
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: You know, they're not gonna They're not gonna take down

715
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: Alabama for example, in the in the SEC, where do

716
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: you see them stacking up head to head once this

717
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: let's say a year from now or two years from now,

718
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: whenever this happens, Uh, will Oklahoma be relevant still? Will

719
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: they still be at the very top of the SEC?

720
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: Are they gonna be a mid level team? And what

721
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: happens to Texas? I think that's Lincoln Rice on the

722
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: head coach stern Ali stur interest to run defense. Absolutely

723
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: think they will be relevant. I think there will be

724
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: a playoff top five team everywhere. It's gonna be a

725
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: lot harder. You know, you're gonna face a lot better

726
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: defense and a lot better caliber defensive linemen um and

727
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: athletes in the SEC than he ever did in the

728
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: Big twelve. But I think if you have that kind

729
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: of talent that they've had, that kind of coaching, I

730
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: think they will definitely still be a factor in Texas.

731
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: It's a big TV because they were always in close games.

732
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: They won some, they lost some. You know, it was

733
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: an underachieving program for a long time. Towards the end

734
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: of the mac Brown here definitely for the Charlie Strong

735
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: one and then from comperment start have to get the

736
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: thing elevated in a big way or else they're going

737
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: to be you know, somewhere along the line of probably

738
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: what Mississippi and Missouri have been if they don't get

739
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: it going. And that's not to say that, um, those

740
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: are bad programs, but they're not. It's not going to

741
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: cut it. W you could what you could do with

742
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: not always having your a game and maybe not developing

743
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: talent as much as you need to. At Texas in

744
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: the Big twelve, you can get away and go eight

745
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: and four in the in the in the SEC. Right now,

746
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: into that league, I mean, you're gonna you're gonna struggle

747
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: that winning record. You may go six and six, maybe

748
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: you go seven and five, but the chances would going

749
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: to win nine games. It's not gonna be it. It's

750
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: it's probably the difference in a game and a half,

751
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: I would say, each year, especially depending on how the

752
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: schedules are getting getting straightened out. Do you think do

753
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: you think Lane Kiffin is gonna find a way to

754
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: win or help Matt Correll win the Heisman Trophy this year?

755
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna do everything in his power

756
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: to make sure he does that. I think he's gonna try.

757
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know it would have helped

758
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: if he had a livea more. I mean, it's skill guy. Um,

759
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I think that's a real long shot

760
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: for that to happen. But you know, one thing we've

761
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: seen almost every year, whether it's Davante Smith or Joe

762
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: or Joe Burrow or way back to Johnny football, somebody

763
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: has come off and come out of the woodwork to

764
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: make a run at the Heisman. I mean not Correl

765
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: is probably better position right now than most of the

766
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: guys who won Heisman's before. But you know, at this point,

767
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: I would say still a long shot because you know

768
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: you have to you know they're gonna be help from

769
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: their defense. They were horrible on the last year. They

770
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: were barely a five teams. You know they're gonna have

771
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: to go be a top fifteen team. And otherwise he's

772
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: just gonna put up big staff, which is fine, and

773
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: maybe I get him invited to New York, but I

774
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have to do a lot better job

775
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: taking care of the football and being a lot more

776
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: consistent if he really wants to be in the Heisman concifration.

777
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: So I want I want to backpedal to the to

778
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: the conference shakeup thing. BRUSA and what happens to the team.

779
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: I know the vultures are out the Big twelve? What's

780
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: left once Texas and Oklahoma leave? Do they to half

781
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: of them go to the Pack twelve and they make

782
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: it a mega conference? Do they go to the A

783
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: C C? Like? How do you think this shakes out

784
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: with what's left of the current Big twelve minus Texas

785
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma. I think they're going to have to do

786
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: a masterful job of trying to sell it and market

787
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: themselves because right now, the idea of the leftover from

788
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: the from the Big twelve, which don't have anywhere near

789
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: the cache from a TV writings poll standpoint, you know,

790
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: it's one thing to go partner up let's say the

791
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: Pack twelve necessarily, but now also you're talking about instead

792
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: of let's let's say they take the whole all eight

793
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: of them, they're talking about splitting it twenty rays instead

794
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: of twelve. I mean, it's Case State and and Texas

795
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: Tech and Oklahoma State. Are they really going to be

796
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: musty TV? For? You know, if you're the Pack twelve

797
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: in the Utah Oklahoma State game, got to really get

798
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: TV executives fired up. Those are two successful programs we're

799
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: not talking about Canadas here um and yet I just

800
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: think that that's not going to add to their bottom

801
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: line in a profound way. If you're the Pack twelve.

802
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: Now I can see why you want to do it

803
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: if you're if you're the Big twelve, because you just

804
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: got gutted from the top of the food chain to

805
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: keep a partner up with a conference that has USC

806
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: and has Oregon and some big big markets Washington, Arizona State,

807
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: and you know those are those are big markets. But

808
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: I from the PacTel standpoint, I don't know if it

809
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: makes sense. And I even know if you're George cleopcom,

810
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: you've gotta get a great feal for what USC values

811
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: because they have a lot of cloud at this point,

812
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: and they are attractive compared to the other other conferences

813
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: in Power five. And if USC is looking at going,

814
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't want you guys to you know, it does

815
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: nothing for us to bring in Oklahoma State or as

816
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: good as Matt Campbell is what they've done at Iowa

817
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: stake the last few years. I mean, is that a

818
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: big sell for us to have Iowa State in there?

819
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: You know, Matt Campbell leading anybody that excited about Io

820
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: State at that point. Um, you know, those are some

821
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: hard questions that I think the PAC twelve has to

822
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: sort out. I mean, if you're the A c C,

823
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily what that what that brings to

824
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: them to add some of these programs. I mean, it's

825
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: just me. It's a hard sell to take take necessarily

826
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: to leftovers. As a straight on plan partner, Bruce, I'm

827
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: looking forward to reading your stuff on the athletic during

828
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: the football season, seeing you on TV and all that,

829
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: and good health and we'll have you on to get

830
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: Thank you my pleasure. Thanks for having me, guys. Cool.

831
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Speaker 1: Thanks Bruce,