WEBVTT - House Speaker Mike Johnson Talks  Big Beautiful Bill 

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, Radio News House speaker Mike Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>joins us. Now, thank you so much for your time

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<v Speaker 1>this morning. We'd love to begin there. Have you received

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<v Speaker 1>a call back from mister Musk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Look, Elon's a good friend. We texted late last night.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk this morning. I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that he understands what I think everybody on

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<v Speaker 2>Capitol Hill understands. This is not a spending bill, my friends.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a budget reconciliation bill. And what we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>here is delivering the America First agenda. This is all

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<v Speaker 2>the President's priorities and all the priorities of the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything we promise the American people. That is what we

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<v Speaker 2>are delivering with this piece of legislation. And the reason

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<v Speaker 2>we're using the reconciliation process is because that is the

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<v Speaker 2>only way to get around the sixty vote threshold in

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody probably recognizes.

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Schumer and the Democrats are in no mood and

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be helpful in delivering President Trump's agenda

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<v Speaker 2>for the people.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to do it this way.

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<v Speaker 2>We can do it with fifty one votes in the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate only, and that's the urgency of the hour, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have to do it quickly for all the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>we can.

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<v Speaker 3>Discuss this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>So did you get a sentence from Elon Muster in

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<v Speaker 1>those tex exchange that he was going to stop his

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<v Speaker 1>insistence on this bill that he thinks needs to be killed.

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<v Speaker 2>He seems pretty dug in right now, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>quite understand the motivation behind it. But I would tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that what we're delivering in this bill is not

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<v Speaker 2>only historic tax cuts, but historic savings as well.

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<v Speaker 3>He seems to miss that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the projection is that this legislation is going

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<v Speaker 2>to save us one point six trillion dollars with a t. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there's never been a piece of legislation ever delivered in

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<v Speaker 2>the history of government on the face of the earth

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<v Speaker 2>that saves that much money. So this is truly historic. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>is it enough? No, because all three of us understand.

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<v Speaker 2>But we have a large federal debt. We've had deficits

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<v Speaker 2>for some time, and it's a serious concern. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the number one threat to our national security. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is the biggest step using that problem that Congress

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<v Speaker 2>has ever delivered, and we must do it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will hasten to say this. I've told Elon and tell

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<v Speaker 2>everyone this is the first of a series of steps

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<v Speaker 2>that we will take to bring that debt under control.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can't turn.

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<v Speaker 3>It on a dime.

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<v Speaker 2>It took us decades to get into this situation, so

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<v Speaker 2>we have to we have to do it incrementally, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is a huge step forward in that endeavor.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the driving force behind Elon Musk's problems with this bill?

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<v Speaker 1>Has he asked you directly to potentially keep the electric

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle benefits we saw under the Inflation Reduction Act of

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden error into the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I'll let everybody draw their own conclusions about Elon's motivations.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously, the ev mandate going away is I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure a concern for you know, the leader of.

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<v Speaker 3>Tesla and other things as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there's a lot of confusion out there

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<v Speaker 2>about what the legislation is. There's certainly a lot of misinformation.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Democrats have been engaged in this effort,

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<v Speaker 2>this strategy for many, many weeks and many months. But

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<v Speaker 2>remember it took us over a year to develop this

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<v Speaker 2>piece of legislation. We have eleven different committees in the House,

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<v Speaker 2>all the areas of jurisdiction that worked on the reconciliation

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<v Speaker 2>effort to reconcile the budget. And what we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>deliver her again is historic tax relief and savings. At

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, if we do not get this bill done,

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<v Speaker 2>the tax cuts of twenty seventeen, the tax cuts and

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<v Speaker 2>JOBZAC will expire at the end of December. Every American

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<v Speaker 2>will receive the largest tax increase in US history, all

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<v Speaker 2>at once.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Devastating for the economy. So we've addressed that here. We've

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<v Speaker 2>made the tax cuts permanent, and we've infused.

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<v Speaker 3>It with a pro growth.

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<v Speaker 2>Series of policies that will get the economy going again.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be jet fueled to the economy because we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to reduce wasteful spending. We're going to reduce taxes,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to reduce regulations as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is what will allow.

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<v Speaker 2>Job creators and the energy sector and everyone else to

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<v Speaker 2>get going again.

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<v Speaker 1>And your version of the bill, of course, increases the

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<v Speaker 1>salt deduction cap, which yesterday Senatement Jardy leader John Thune said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't a single Republican senator who cares much about

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<v Speaker 1>the salt issue. You and I both know you cannot

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<v Speaker 1>pass this bill without increasing the salt deduction cap. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you envision that deduction changing given the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>no senator Republican senator wants.

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<v Speaker 3>A vote for this, Well, I appreciate that they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They all come from red states, right as do I,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have very different perspective on salt than our

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues in the Blue states, for example, in California and

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<v Speaker 2>New York, in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 3>But that is the reality in the House.

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<v Speaker 2>Remembering, and they have to remember my senate friends and

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues have to remember.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to deliver two.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred and seventeen votes to get that thing across the

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<v Speaker 2>line if they modify it. So I had lunch with

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<v Speaker 2>my senate friends Tuesday, last two weeks ago, before we

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<v Speaker 2>passed the bill in the House on that Thursday, and

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<v Speaker 2>I encourage them to modify it as little as possible,

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<v Speaker 2>right because I gave a metaphor, I said, my friends,

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<v Speaker 2>I am crossing the Grand Canyon on a piece of

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<v Speaker 2>dental flaws.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, olibrium that we reached here.

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<v Speaker 2>It took quite a bit of time to get to

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<v Speaker 2>where we are, and you can't load me up on

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<v Speaker 2>either side. And if you go and slash the salt

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<v Speaker 2>cap that we negotiated carefully for over a year, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to make it very difficult for me to deliver

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<v Speaker 2>the necessary number of votes. Remembering I can only lose

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<v Speaker 2>three in the House. They can only lose three in

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate to get this done.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're all working together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one team, House and Senate together, united in this effort.

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<v Speaker 2>They understand that, and I think they understand certainly Leader

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<v Speaker 2>Thun and the leaders over there understand the complexity of

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<v Speaker 2>what we're having to deal with here, Speaker.

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<v Speaker 4>Johnson, just to sort of put a bow on it,

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<v Speaker 4>So forty thousands still likely to remain the cap.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we negotiated here, and I'm certainly trying to

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<v Speaker 2>hold to that number.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, we've paid for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've got it worked out and all the

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<v Speaker 2>math and the legislation, and I think it's something that

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're not in love with it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>certainly hope they'll tolerated so we can maintain our vote

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<v Speaker 2>tally over here.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaker Johnson, as you walk that piece of dental floss

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<v Speaker 4>over the Grand Canyon. There is this question of how

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<v Speaker 4>the bill is currently being used, whether it's for budget

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<v Speaker 4>negotiations and budget reconciliation over the next decade, or whether

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<v Speaker 4>it's to negotiate trade agreements. There is two point eight

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<v Speaker 4>trillion dollars of revenue that is being penciled in by

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<v Speaker 4>the Congressional Budget Office from tariffs that might be used

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<v Speaker 4>as a negotiating tactic might not be How do you

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<v Speaker 4>understand the way that tariffs are looked at as part

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<v Speaker 4>of this budget balancing Act.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it hasn't been included in the calculations, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>because groups like the CBO, the Congressional Budget Office, as

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<v Speaker 2>you noted, won't give us any credit for that.

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<v Speaker 3>But it is very real.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the revenue is real, and it is realized,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not included in the calculation that we've made

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<v Speaker 2>or they've made. But obviously it's a big factor.

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<v Speaker 3>We believe that we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to bring about a rory and economy again. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not based on conjecture or ground list optimism. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is based on the history. We did this in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen after the first two years of the Trump

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<v Speaker 2>administration when we passed the tax cuts and jobs ac

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<v Speaker 2>We reduce taxes, we reduce regulations, and the economy is roaring.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you all remember before COVID, we had the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest economy in the history of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, everybody was doing better.

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<v Speaker 2>Every demographic wages were up, the job participation numbers where

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<v Speaker 2>at record highs, inflation was down, and manageable things were

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<v Speaker 2>going great.

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<v Speaker 3>And then COVID hit.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to do that same series of policies,

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<v Speaker 2>implement that same philosophy, but this time, as I say,

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<v Speaker 2>on steroids, and it's going to make a major difference

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<v Speaker 2>for every in everybody's lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Spare Johnson.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people in Marcus are concerned about a

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<v Speaker 4>number of provisions here and actually don't think they will

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<v Speaker 4>spur growth, one of them being Section eight ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 4>which talks about taxing foreign investment in the United States

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<v Speaker 4>from specific countries that have non tariff barriers like the

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<v Speaker 4>VAT tax and other things that have been contentious during

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<v Speaker 4>negotiations of trade deals. How much do you see that dampening.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's not a concern for you because right

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<v Speaker 4>now around the world. There are people wondering whether they

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<v Speaker 4>can still invest in the United States without getting penalized

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<v Speaker 4>for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Look, there's a complexity to the tariff negotiations. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we tip our hat to the White House, and President's

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<v Speaker 2>strategy is working. As you know, there's more than seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five countries renegotiating their trade agreements right now, finalizing that

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<v Speaker 2>even as we speak, that's going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be better for America because it will be more fair.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm always liking myself to be a Reagan

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<v Speaker 2>Republican and free trade is one of our core principles

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<v Speaker 2>that we've all supported over the years. And every time

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that over the last several years to

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump, he would say, yes, free and fair trade,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's right. I mean, this is a disparity that

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<v Speaker 2>must have needed to be addressed and it has been.

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<v Speaker 2>So we think in total, this is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>good when it's all when all the dust settles on

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<v Speaker 2>the tariff negotiations and the new trade agreements.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's going to be good for America and good

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<v Speaker 3>for the world. And so we're factoring that in.

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<v Speaker 2>We're working in tandem with the White House, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>part is going to stay in calculation in the la.

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<v Speaker 4>Liaker Johnson, just to be clear that provision will stay

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<v Speaker 4>in that is important to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously the bill is still a live instrument

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<v Speaker 2>that's being worked on in the Senate, so we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>if they modify those provisions. But I think for now,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's good policy for US, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say to foreign investors, you're in good stead to

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<v Speaker 2>invest in America. This is the time to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>because the American economy is about to take off again

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be good for you and good.

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<v Speaker 3>For the world.

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<v Speaker 2>We're the largest trading partner for most other nations. They

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<v Speaker 2>need America, and a.

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<v Speaker 3>Strong America is good for the whole world.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is what we are going to bring about

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<v Speaker 2>with these sound policies and pro growth initiatives.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking Johnson, you and your colleagues have a self imposed

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<v Speaker 1>July fourth deadline. Partially that is because you have to

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<v Speaker 1>raise the debt ceiling. Are you considering raising the debt

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<v Speaker 1>limit if this deal isn't finished by July fourth with

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<v Speaker 1>a different measure, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>It'd be very difficult to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it would require bipartisan measure in that regard,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would like to believe that Chuck Schumer and

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats and the Senate would do the right thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wouldn't count on that. That debt cliff as

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<v Speaker 2>we're regarding it, is coming soon, and that's why Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>Besson has said we've got to get this done by

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<v Speaker 2>Independence Day, and I think it'd be a great celebration

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<v Speaker 2>for all of us. But it's not just because of

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<v Speaker 2>the debt ceiling. It's also because we need to get

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<v Speaker 2>tax relief in this new roaring economy to the American

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<v Speaker 2>people as quickly as possible. They're owed that and this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a great thing for everyone. And

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<v Speaker 2>I have to also think about the politics of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right we have a midterm election coming up in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>If we get this done soon and quickly this summer,

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<v Speaker 2>then everyone will feel those effects before they have to

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<v Speaker 2>go vote again in that midterm election. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the House majority and keep this going for four

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<v Speaker 2>years for President Trump and not two. And if we

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<v Speaker 2>lost the majority, there's no doubt that the House Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>would try to impeach the president and everything would be

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<v Speaker 2>truly chaotic for investors and job creators and consumers. So

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<v Speaker 2>we have to keep this going, keep the momentum going.

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<v Speaker 2>The timeline is very important, and that's why I put

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<v Speaker 2>this on a very aggressive schedule.

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<v Speaker 3>I said the early part of this year that we.

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<v Speaker 2>Would pass the big, beautiful bill out of the House

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<v Speaker 2>before Memorial Day, and people laughed, they mocked me when

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<v Speaker 2>I said that, But we beat it by four days.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to stay on track and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>deliver for the American people.

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<v Speaker 1>Will you have exactly twenty nine days to hit that deadline?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you saying there's no plan B for raising the

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<v Speaker 1>debt ceiling if this bill is not done between House

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans and House Senators.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, Republicans in a House and Senate will deliver and

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<v Speaker 2>will take care of our business one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just telling you the smartest and most efficacious

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<v Speaker 2>way to do this is to stay on this schedule

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<v Speaker 2>and deliver for the people. And that's what we're doggedly

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<v Speaker 2>determined to do or laser focused on it. And if

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<v Speaker 2>we take our focus off of that, then the strategy

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't work. So I'm telling you that we are working

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<v Speaker 2>on that regard. Leader Thun and I are in constant communication.

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<v Speaker 2>He understands that deadline as well.

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<v Speaker 3>The Secretary of the Treasury and.

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<v Speaker 2>The NEEC and all the leaders in the White House

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<v Speaker 2>and the Administration understand that.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're going to get it done.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaker Johnson, how closely are you watching the bond markets

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<v Speaker 4>right now, given fact that we've seen a real sense

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<v Speaker 4>of concern, particularly in longer duration US treasuries, We.

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<v Speaker 3>Watch it closely.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I really do believe that delivering this historic legislation

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be critically important for a lot of reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>not the least of which is that Congress can.

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<v Speaker 3>Send a very important signal to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bond markets, to the stock market, to investors everywhere that

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<v Speaker 2>we're very serious about this not only in getting the

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<v Speaker 2>US economy roaring again, but also in addressing the long

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<v Speaker 2>term debt. And I think that's an important thing for

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<v Speaker 2>everyone to understand. We have a strategy that's a multiple steps,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, multiple steps strategy to address this over

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<v Speaker 2>the next year, two years, three years, and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get the US economy back on sound footing. We're

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<v Speaker 2>the Party of Fiscal Responsibility, and you'll see that demonstrated

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<v Speaker 2>day after day here.

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<v Speaker 4>How speaker Mike Johnson, thank you so much for being

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<v Speaker 4>with us.