1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin, and here's the thing. Child sex trafficking 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: has been called the ugliest preventable man made disaster in 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: the world. Over a million children are sold each year 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: as sex slaves into an industry that is said to 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: be worth billions of dollars. Sex trafficking overall is one 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: of the most lucrative crimes on Earth, second only to 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: the global drug trade. The numbers are horrific, but sometimes 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: numbers that size have a way of obscuring the greater horror. 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: Behind each number is a person, a victim whose individual 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: story is ghastly. New York Times op ed columnist Nicholas 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: Kristof recently told the story of schrey Pove, a Cambodian 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: girl who was sold by her mother to a brothel. 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: Her virginity went to the highest bidder she was six 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: years old. For the following three years, she was forced 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: to have sex with up to twenty men a day. 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: Stories like shre Poe aren't limited to Southeast Asia. They 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: happened in Africa, Europe, and right here in the United States. 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: My guest Rob Morris works to protect young people like 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: shrepe Hove around the world. Rob is president and co 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: founder of Love one forty six, an organization that fights 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: to prevent child sex slavery and provide after care for 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: its victims. Rob has been doing humanitarian work most of 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: his life, but ten years ago, when a musician friend 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: of his said his band wanted to take on the 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: issue of child sex trafficking, Rob was oblivious. I had 26 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: honestly never heard of child trafficking before, and then started 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: looking at it. Um, we have never heard of it 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: at all. I had never heard of it. I was 29 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: given the impression back in high school that slavery ended 30 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: with something that we call the Emancipation Proclamation, but the 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: reality as it hasn't. Not long after that initial conversation, 32 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: Rob and his friend took an exploratory trip to Southeast 33 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: Asia to see how they could help up with the issue. 34 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: They were given about an hour of training before they 35 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: entered a brothel pretending to be John's Men who wanted 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: to purchase young girls for sex. It was the most 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: disturbing experience of my life, because here I am having 38 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: to learn how to pose as the very thing that 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: everything in me is completely an early repulsed by as 40 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: a human being, as a father, as a man, and 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: remember them saying, look, if you don't think you can 42 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: hold it together, if you're going to freak out, and 43 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: when you see what you're going to see, don't go 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: in because we can't risk an investigation being taken down 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: because of your reaction. We're brought into a room and 46 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: we're looking through these class windows. They call it a 47 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: fish bowl at young girls and they were sitting watching 48 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: children's cartoons on television sets and they had the dignity 49 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: of a name taken from them. He just had numbers 50 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: been into their dresses. And on this side of the glass, 51 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: we were shoulder to shoulder with what I would describe 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: as predators who were purchasing these kids for sex where 53 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: they predominantly What was that this was a brothel that 54 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: catered particularly to Westerners. They looked like, anybody, could you 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: tell language wise where it will be America, kins, Europeans. 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: The stats, the latest stats that I've read, and they 57 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: say that about of sex tourists are American men. I'm 58 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: hearing the voice of this investigator in my head who said, 59 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: if you don't think you can hold it together, because 60 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: everything in me instinctively wants to smash you the glass. 61 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: And yet as many of these kids out of there, 62 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: and we couldn't do it because there was an investigation 63 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: taking place that they had to get together exactly. So 64 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: it was incredibly disturbing. And the thing that so shook 65 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: me was the looks in the eyes of the kids. 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: There was nothing left there, man, and they were so 67 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: emotionally shut down, no life in their eyes. Except for 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: one kid. It must have been new to the brothel, 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: because there was still a fight left in her. She 70 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: was the only one that was not looking at the 71 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: children's cartoon, and she was staring at us through the glass. 72 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: Never forget those So there was a fight I have 73 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: not given up yet. Her number was one that was 74 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: just sort of emblazoned there in our brains, and so yeah, 75 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: so that's who, that's who we fight for. And she 76 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: represents the new name the organization Love One. We actually 77 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: named the organization at that time UTUS for Children International, 78 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: and then after a few years we changed the name, 79 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 1: partly because Mother Teresa used to say this and said 80 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: it so well. She said, if I didn't pick up 81 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: the one off the streets of Calcutta, I never would 82 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: have picked up the fort. And so when we look 83 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: at the stats, the numbers, and we throw these things 84 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: out there. There's a dehumanizing that takes place. We forget 85 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: that this is not about an issue, it's not about 86 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: a cause. It's about somebody's daughter. This is about somebody's son, 87 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: little boy, little girl. And sometimes we get just sucked 88 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: into the stats and we're throwing these things around like 89 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: we're not talking about human beings. And so that's why 90 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: I even renaming the organization. It's a reminder to us 91 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: that this is about a girl. This is about a child, 92 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: This is about all those children that she represents. Is 93 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: there something about the culture in Southeast Asia and other 94 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: parts of the world that the government really won't put 95 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: their shoulder into stopping this? I don't think something. I mean, 96 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: there are always advocates, and there are always people, and 97 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: that's who we look for. I mean, what do you 98 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: think prevents a country like the Thai government from doing 99 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: a better job at extinguishing these practices. I think it's 100 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: just will and recognizing that this is an issue that 101 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: we need to deal with. And again I don't want 102 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: to just single out Thailand. I mean it's it's the 103 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: same thing when we look at here in the US. 104 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: I think it's not just a cultural thing. We're talking 105 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: about poverty, we're talking about marginalized people. Were talk about 106 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: places of conflict, or even when you see something like 107 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: a natural disaster in a place. The first people on 108 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: the scene in Haiti, it wasn't aid workers, they were traffickers. 109 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: Are the indigenous Haitian people or again I think it's 110 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: people that are looking for opportunity. How can I make 111 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: a buck? So men and maybe some women who are 112 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: in the sex for higher business there in the prostitution business. 113 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: The earthquake comes there there in Haiti, and they said 114 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: to ourselves, this is our big chance. We're going to 115 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: make a killing here. And I mean it's estimated that 116 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: the trafficking of human beings basically generates between twelve and 117 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: thirty two billion dollars a year. It's profitable. You have 118 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: the same situation happening here when it's vulnerability. You've got 119 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: himps lowering girls from bus stations. They come here, they 120 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: don't have a place to stay, looking for something to eat, 121 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: perhaps come from a broken home, and this pimp comes 122 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: in as the night and shining armor, and it's all 123 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: good at first. I'll give you a place to stay, 124 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: give you food, I'll take care of you, I'll be 125 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: your daddy. And here's a girl that's either had an 126 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: abusive father or maybe not even a father in her life, 127 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 1: and this guy's telling her the things that she's always 128 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: wanted to hear a father say, you're beautiful, you're special. 129 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: And in the United States, many of these people are 130 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: coming out of foster care systems, that people who are 131 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: runaways from that system of vulnerability. Basically, that's the bottom 132 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: line is it's about vulnerability. So where are their vulnerable children, 133 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: Foster care system runaways, throwaway teens, and there are hundreds 134 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: of thousands of people working every year between the ages 135 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: I was told of eleven and fourteen years old is 136 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: the average age that where they start. Yeah, a child 137 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: usually enters into the trafficking situation or prostitution. The average 138 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: age anywhere is between thirteen and fifteen years of age 139 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: in the United States, and the statistics are really dangerous. Unfortunately, 140 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of really good solid research. You'll 141 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: hear numbers from everywhere from a hundred thousand kids at 142 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: risk for commercial sexual exploitation to three hundred thousand. Because 143 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: it's the issue is such an in the shadows kind 144 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: of issued. Many times victims don't come forth, or they're 145 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: arrested as criminals. Even most states, a fifteen year old 146 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: is picked up for prostitution, they're arrested as a criminal 147 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: and thrown into jail. The next day, the pimp fails 148 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: them out in their back in the situation, so they're 149 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: not even counted as a victim of traffic. So people 150 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: who are in the ranks of this vulnerable group of 151 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: people in the foster care system and so forth, are 152 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: there people who are working on the fringes of that system, 153 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: or perhaps even within the system itself, who function as 154 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: pimps and shills and and they develop talent if you 155 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: will incide that business. Is that a big problem? Wow, 156 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a huge question, ston. I think 157 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: um pimps, traffickers, john's, whatever, any of those categories will 158 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: look for places where they can get easy access level. 159 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen something happen just recently in the 160 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: news with Penn Stay. So coaches, people in ministry, you know, pastors, priests, 161 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: you see um A camp counselors, teachers in the news 162 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: who have gone in that direction. It's an easy situation 163 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: because they get easy access and they sometimes come with 164 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: trust built in. Explain to the audience, then how someone, 165 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: I mean, what are signs maybe the parents, peers, or 166 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: other people involved in the lives of these children can see. 167 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: What is the mechanism of which we cross over from 168 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: mentor in a relationship and becomes a sexual relationship. Is 169 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: there a language that people are using. Have you even 170 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: been involved in any research of this or scenity researcher? 171 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: I think that I think that's a really legitimate question. 172 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are signs to look for 173 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: if it's your own team ager with such a ying 174 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: spending inordinate amount of times, I mean, it's inappropriate for 175 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: a kid to be spending time alone with it. And 176 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: that's my thinking. With a teacher at their house, that's 177 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: just a no brain. So that's what you see happening. 178 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's I mean, that's what we've seen happen. 179 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: That's what continues to happen. And so these people that 180 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: are these predatory or potentially predatory people in terms of 181 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: child sex abuse, it begins with excessive or significant amounts 182 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: of time alone with the child that they get them alone, 183 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: and that's when they begin to develop this relationship that 184 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: then they cross this line and lead them by the hand, 185 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: if you will, into a sexual relationship. Yeah. And again, 186 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: what happens in the mind of what could be described 187 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: as a predator is beyond my comprehension. I don't think 188 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: anybody wakes up at forty five years of age or 189 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: fifty years of age and says I'm going to have 190 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: sex with a child. There is a grooming that takes 191 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: place over years and years, and that's what we're seeing now. 192 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: And even when it comes to media and grooming, where 193 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: media has normalized the objective cation of women and girls 194 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: and that leads in some realms to exploitation. Kids are 195 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: watching videos where you have a glorification of pimp culture, 196 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: where it's totally like okay to watch a music video 197 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: where you have a guy walking women that are hardly 198 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: dressed with chains around their necks, or somebody swiping a 199 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: credit card down in a girl's crack in a video. 200 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: Do you recognize that our society is far more sexualized 201 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: when you were growing up or was it twas ever? Thus, 202 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: oh man, I think things have changed very very quickly. 203 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: I think you're seeing images portraying women younger and younger. 204 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: Somebody was telling me about this show that's on TV 205 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: where they have these kids in these beauty pageants, and 206 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: you don't dress a five year old kid provocatively. That's 207 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: just insanity, you know. One very I don't want to 208 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: say dated or tried and true. One traditional, if you will, 209 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: component of this is the issue of sex education in schools, 210 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: or sex education in some way in our society, where 211 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,239 Speaker 1: we really come get a little more honest with ourselves 212 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: about the power of sexuality and the forces it is 213 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: in our lives and how much we need to face 214 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: that and everywhere increasingly younger group of people sexism and 215 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: that you don't want to demonize. You don't want people 216 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: to grow up thinking that sex is a bad thing 217 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: or sex is an unhealthy thing, because you're gonna have 218 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: a whole other set of problems when you do that. 219 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: What's your opinion, if any, about the need for recalibrating 220 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: and be dedicating ourselves to a serious sex education program 221 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: in schools. I think, coming from our work, we would 222 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: love to see the issue of sexual exploitation be taught 223 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: as a regular part of the curriculum of sex education. 224 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: It's usually not and so getting that as part of 225 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: the taught curricul What is exploitation? What does it look 226 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: like the schools that we've been going into. It's amazing 227 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: the lights that are turning on. Kids will be up 228 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: afterwards saying this is happening to my friend by somebody 229 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: who she thinks is her boyfriend. I think it needs 230 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: to be part of a sex education curriculum. How do 231 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: you protect your self from being exploited so that you're 232 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: not in a place do you see? That's fascinating to 233 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: me that you say that, because in the past, I 234 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: mean sex education to me, as I recall in a 235 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: biology class in the ninth grade, we had a sex 236 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: education component. It was folded into that class. It was 237 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: almost like the duck and cover response to atomic bombing, 238 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, like they might as well have just had, 239 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, Eisenhower come in or Ellen or Roosevelt and 240 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: teach us sex education. It was so dated. But what 241 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: you're saying is even more interesting, which is to come 242 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: into a room and start to teach kids, and even 243 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: in seventh and eighth grade perhaps and say to them, 244 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: here are some of the dangers of sex and sexual exploitation. 245 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: Because as I've said to my own daughter. I have 246 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: a sixteen year old daughter, and my conversations with her 247 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: about sex are guys will say anything to you, some 248 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: of them to get you to do what they want 249 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: you to do. And the real issue is that some 250 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: of them are very good at it. Some of them 251 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: will really sell you on the idea that doing what 252 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: they want you to do is what you want to do. 253 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: And I wonder if a more sophisticated, more evolved version 254 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: of that is what we need in sex education classes, 255 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: which is to teach everybody here's where sex can get 256 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: you in trouble. Yeah, and I think challenging guys as well. 257 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: Challenging boys. You know, the definition of rock and roll 258 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: from the School of Rock is sticking it to the man. 259 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: And basically, let me tell you what the man is doing. 260 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: The man, the culture that we're living in, a hyper 261 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: sexualized culture, is grooming you to be this forty five 262 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: year old man some day. So if you want to 263 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: stick in a man, rebel against that, be your better self. 264 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: I was in a school and in teaching in a 265 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,599 Speaker 1: high school classroom on the issue of trafficking and exploitation, 266 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: and there was a guy in the back of the class. 267 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: It was just sort of like smirking the whole time. 268 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: And he's like, man, this sounds like a good business 269 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: to go into, and you know, and and your business. No, no, hey, 270 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: I can make some money here. He's like, this is lucrative, 271 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, because I was talking about some of the 272 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: stats and and the kind of money that's generated through 273 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, the sale of human beings. And he's thinking, man, 274 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: this sounds like a lucrative business. And he's making jokes 275 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: and everything, and then I start to unpack about you know, 276 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: let me talk to you about what a pimp really 277 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: is instead of this glorified pick ture that you see 278 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: on your videos. And this is what a pimp looks like. 279 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: And we talk about some of the kids that we worked, right, 280 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: we have a girl in our safe home, Alec, that 281 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: is deaf and mute. The idea that somebody would first 282 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: take advantage of a child who is living in abject 283 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: poverty and a child who couldn't even cry out for herself, 284 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: could not even say anything about it, is insanity. This 285 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: is what a pimp has. This is what a trafficker is, 286 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: This is what they prey on. Somebody said, you know 287 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: these people are like animals, and I love I think 288 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: it was dos Jevsky who said, don't ever compare human 289 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: beings to animals, because it's an insult to animals, because 290 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: animals would never come up with the artistic cruelty that 291 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: human beings come up with. That's the reality. This is 292 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin. You're listening to. Here's the thing coming up 293 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: more from my conversation with Rob Morris, one of the 294 00:14:53,200 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: co founders of Love on. This is Alec Baldwin. I'm 295 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: talking with Rob Morris, one of the co founders of 296 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: Love one forty six, an organization that works to prevent 297 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: child sex slavery around the world. Rob's organization focuses on prevention, 298 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: providing after care for victims, and also worked to pass 299 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: legislation like the recent Safe Harbor laws. At the bottom 300 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: line of Safe Harbor laws designed to create a situation 301 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: where it redefines anyone under the age of eighteen in 302 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: some cases sixteen, from being considered a criminal to being 303 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: considered a victim. And so it's to protect so um 304 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: instead of being the fifteen year old being picked up 305 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: for prostitution and being arrested throwing at the jail and 306 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: bailed out by the PAMP. This person now is to 307 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: be perceived and looked at as a victim of human trafficing. 308 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: According to federal law. Anyone or the under the age 309 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: of eighteen years of age. According to the federal law, 310 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: UM cannot consent to being commercially sold for sacks. That's 311 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: you can't do it, and so anyone under the age 312 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: of eighteen. A safe harbor law is supposed to be 313 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: designs to say this person is a victim and not 314 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: a criminal. And that's what the safe heart was it work. Um, well, absolutely, 315 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: we helped UM push to get one past in Connecticut. 316 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: There's only I believe four or five states that actually 317 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: have one. So yeah, and it also increases the penalties 318 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: for those purchasing sacks, pimps and traffickers. Talk about the 319 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: the I mean for most people who are who look 320 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: into this issue. Obviously, the Internet has made a huge 321 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: change in the way the sexual trafficking and the whole 322 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: cornucopia of a sexually illegal activity is conducted. Talk if 323 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: you will about how your organization and similar organizations consider that. Yeah. 324 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: I actually spoke with UM member of the NYPD here 325 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: and he deals with the trafficking issue here in New York, 326 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: and he just he described the Internet as the new 327 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: streets that the day of where you see prostitution happening 328 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: on street corners and all of that is coming to 329 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: an end, and it's happening now on the Internet. That's 330 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: a big deal because then it be comes a situation 331 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: where it's much more anonymous, much more difficult to see 332 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: and to track. You did some of this investigative we're 333 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: here in the US. The Korean SPA story you were involved. 334 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: That was an accident. I was getting a tattoo and 335 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: the place that I was getting the ink that downstairs 336 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: was a sauna and acu pressure place with an Asian 337 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: name to it, and the blinds were always closed. There 338 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: was a one way glass mirror. Yeah, knowing what I know, 339 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: I'm just like, this looks really shady to me. Asked 340 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: the people in the tattoo place, Hey, what's going on downstairs? 341 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, we don't ask any questions. Didn't take 342 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: rocket science. You know, you looked it up in the 343 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: phone book and it's got hours of operation at three 344 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. When it gets up at two 345 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: o'clock in the mor I think I'm gonna go get 346 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 1: some accu pressure is sort of no brainer stuff. One 347 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: of my co workers went on a site. There are 348 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: there are websites where John's can rate their experiences with 349 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: women that they've been with in a prostitution situation. And 350 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: so they typed the name of this particular spa and 351 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: and split up. Oh exactly, it's like a Yelp for 352 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: these kinds of services, and this place lit up all 353 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: over the place. So we reported. We had an advocate 354 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: within the police department in in Connecticut who understood the 355 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: trafficking issue. It took a long time, but they eventually 356 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: ended up doing a raid and sure enough, there were 357 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: all kinds of funky things going in there, and specifically 358 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: Korean women. None of them spoke English. The women were arrested, 359 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: then the John's were let go. They used the Johns 360 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: for evidence, um, and the women were the ones that 361 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: were arrested. And this is why even the safe harbor 362 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: law is such a key thing for children, so that hey, 363 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: you know what, this is not a criminal, this is 364 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: a victim, and that changes the perception and how we 365 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: deal with them. About six months later, the place opened 366 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: up again under a new name, and basically it's doing 367 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: the same thing again because of the priority this is 368 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: not you know, there's people getting killed. We got to 369 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: deal with that. Talk with you would about the Penn 370 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,479 Speaker 1: State scandal. You know, in my mind when this happened, 371 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: if Sandusky is proven guilty of a crime, which obviously 372 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: it's simply there's a lot of it's the point in 373 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: that direction, what's the best thing to do with people 374 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: like that? Like, wouldn't you love to get a guy 375 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: like that in a conference room and grill him for 376 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 1: about a month about everything he did and why so 377 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: we can learn more about it. I wonder if just 378 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: taking these people and having the our indignation at the 379 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: four and just shuddering them away somewhere and punishing them 380 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: and making sure ever the world knows how we deal 381 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: with these people. You get them out there and we 382 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: try to kind of we try to have some kind 383 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: of forensic examination of him and what he did so 384 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: we can learn from that. What do you think about 385 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: that kind of thing? Well, I think I think there's 386 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: some power to deterrence in Hey, you know what, you 387 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: can face life in prison. I know Massachusetts just passed 388 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: along where a trafficker now can get life in prison. 389 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: I think there is a good thing with that is 390 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: there's the deterrence factor, like, oh, you know what, when 391 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: I think about profit versus risk, the risk just went 392 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: up quite a bit. I'm gonna go sell drugs now 393 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: instead of selling human beings. A lot less risk involved. 394 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: I won't get, you know, twenty years to life. The 395 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: good thing is, I think it can act as a deterrence. 396 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: As far as stronger laws, that's a great question. As 397 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: far as, like somebody asked me the other day, have 398 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: you ever met anybody that's been rehabilitated somebody that has 399 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: actually been a trafficker. I have not. I would love 400 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: to find that person and find out. But I'm not 401 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: talking about rehabilitating Sandusky or using Sandusky's testimony to rehabilitate 402 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: any other traffickers. It's in order to help other people 403 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: recognize what to look for. I'd love to get Sandusky 404 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: into a study as a part of his sentence where 405 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: we can learn about this were then, because I'm assuming 406 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: when this thing happened with Sandusky, the first thing I 407 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: thought to myself is, oh God, the next thing we're 408 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: gonna hear is how prevalent this was that we didn't 409 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: know it that coaches are are sexually abusing, if not 410 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: outright raping or pimping players on their own teams. What 411 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: do you think of that idea? It would be certainly 412 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: interesting to know what goes on inside a person's head 413 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: like that and what that looks like and how it 414 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: ends up, how he sees the world and how he 415 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: how does the predator to think so we can help 416 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: the prey avoid some of these pitfalls? Yeah, I mean, 417 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: prevention is the bottom line, right, what I think we 418 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: can do. And these are the complexities for me. What 419 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: will this brings me back to is this notion of 420 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: and we get honest about sexuality, we get honest about ourselves. 421 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: People will say to me in my business, do violent 422 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: films disturb you? And I'll say, to a degree, they do, 423 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: But I said not really, because violence, I think is 424 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: something that people don't feel they have a right to. 425 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: If you go in and see a film, you know, 426 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: if you go watch Charles Bronson and Death Wish Kill 427 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: all the bad guys and you feel motivated and authorized 428 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: to go out and commit some act of violence, you 429 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: have some other pathology going into the film. Sexuality is 430 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: different because sexist. Some people feel entitled to have, they 431 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: feel they should be having. It's like there's a lot 432 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: of men out there, because we tend to think of 433 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: this more of a man on woman crime. Who they're 434 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: predisposed to do this kind of thing if they're not careful. 435 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: Do you agree with them? Yeah, Well, again it comes 436 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: back to things that have shaped They're thinking you have 437 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: shaped their psyche. I don't. I don't because I'm not 438 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: a psychologist. I don't understand all of that. But when 439 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: we talk about what we deal with, specifically with children, 440 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't have anything to do with sex. It's it's 441 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: violence against children. It's interesting say that, that's a very 442 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: good point you make that what is perceived as as 443 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: a sex crime with this child sex slaverything, it's not 444 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: sex at all. It's a violent act. It's violence. You're 445 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: a father and you have two of your own You 446 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: and your wife have two of your own biological children, 447 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: and you've adopted four children and how many boys? How 448 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: many girls? I have two boys and four girls? You 449 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: have four daughters or any of them biological? My oldest daughter, 450 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: your oldest daughter is your biology. How old is shame? 451 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: She's twenty four. So your oldest child is twenty four 452 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: and your youngest child is how old? Six? So some 453 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: of your children you have brought into your family and 454 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: adopted during the course of your years doing this work, 455 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: where any of them as a result of doing this 456 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: word none, not even from regions that this that from regions? Yeah, 457 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: from some of yours. So one of your daughters is 458 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: from where For example, my daughter who is going to 459 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: be sixteen this week is from China. And then my 460 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: youngest trafficking situation like their same kind of situation. I mean, 461 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: it's it's bad, and my my youngest daughter is from Vietnam. 462 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: One thing I do wonder is how much does the 463 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: role of a very very strong and very very effective 464 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: history of feminism change things in certain countries. Is feminism 465 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: prevented this from becoming worse in parts in the world 466 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: that it might have been. Absolutely? I mean, where there 467 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: is vulnerability, there will be predators in many countries of 468 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: the world and in many communities by design, Yeah, marginalized 469 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: women and girls and many times children. But I guess 470 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: my point is that your daughter is twenty four years old. 471 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: So when this organization, your work with them started ten 472 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: years ago your daughter was fourteen, So you've raised your 473 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: family from a certain point in many of them for 474 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: their entire lives in side that timeline, And I'm wondering 475 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: what do you talk to your children about it at all? 476 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: Or what do you and your wife talk about with him? 477 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: But how do you handle the subject of sex as 478 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: a father with your children? Yeah, I think it depends 479 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: on the age obviously being age appropriate. Even like my 480 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: youngest kids don't know what daddy does. I mean, other 481 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: than daddy helps children who are in big trouble, they 482 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: understand slavery. Like my fifteen year old knows what the 483 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: situation is. We've had great talks about it. She's actually 484 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: started to love one forty six stass force in her 485 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: high school. I think it's important, But at the right age. 486 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: Are you ever thinking of having any more children or 487 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: adopting more children? Probably you are. Yeah, it's it's a 488 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: good possibility. Yeah, we've just talked about it recently, actually 489 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: adopting one. Why we just feel like, as long as 490 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: we can provide a home for somebody that doesn't have one, 491 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: if we could provide a family for someone that doesn't 492 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: have one, and let's do that. What does your wife 493 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: think about this work you're doing. My wife's a rock star, right, yeah, 494 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: I mean, and especially because I travel so much and 495 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: everything often time, she's become the left six kids. Yeah, yeah, 496 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: she's doing the hard work. So um. But I remember 497 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: with the first phone call that I made that night 498 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: when I came back from the brothel the first time, 499 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: and I called her up and she could tell right 500 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: away on the phone and she's like, are you okay? 501 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: What is this done to you personally? What has it 502 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: done to you? Because I will tell you that I've 503 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: had things happen to me in my life and they've 504 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: made me lose my faith in people. I've had to 505 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: battle with that. I'm not an optimist. I'm hopeful, and 506 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: I think those are two different things. I've seen literally 507 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: the worst of humanity, yeah, and so it it would 508 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: be really easy to become super jaded, super cynical. But 509 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: at the same time, I've also seen absolutely amazing things, 510 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: great people. I remember I met the director of a 511 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: human rights agency and Kimbodi, and she looked at me, 512 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: you know what your problem is as Americans? And I 513 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: looked at it sort of I started wins, thinking, Okay, 514 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: I can think of some things, but I know you're 515 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: gonna fill me in. And she goes, you don't think, 516 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: you react, and I'm like, what do you mean? And 517 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: she says, a lot of times you see some human 518 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: rights abuse or whatever and everything, and instead of taking 519 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: the time to think through solutions that are going to 520 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: be effective and sustainable, you just react to it. And 521 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: because you haven't put thought into it, sometimes your reaction 522 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: causes more harm than good. And I kind of took 523 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: that as a mandate as an organization to say, you 524 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: know what we need to be thought that it has informed. 525 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: And the difficulty though with that is I live with 526 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: this daily tension. We live with this daily tension of 527 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: the emergency factor of children being sold and time what 528 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: it takes to and the time that it takes to 529 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: create thoughtful solutions that are gonna work. Rob Morris is 530 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: the president and co founder of Love One. There are 531 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 1: many other people fighting to abolish child sex trafficking. Rachel 532 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: Lloyd runs GEMS Girls Educational and Mentoring Services, a New 533 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: York based organization that helps girls and young women leave 534 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: the commercial sex industry in this country. Like it's not 535 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 1: this foreign, strange Amlien population, it's women and girls who 536 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: have experienced credible amount of trauma and hardship in their lives, 537 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: who have the same hopes and fears and dreams as 538 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: everybody else. You can hear Rachel's story, learn more about 539 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: Rob Morris's organization, love one, and other resources at our 540 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: website Here's the Thing dot org. This is Alec Baldwin 541 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: and you're listening to Here's the Thing