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Speaker 3: Guys. I'm super amped, deeply in my feelings because we're
Speaker 3: getting towards the end and it makes me want to
Speaker 3: sob but also excited because I think we're in a
Speaker 3: juicy place in the story. We are here for season nine,
Speaker 3: episode two, in the Room where You Sleep. The original
Speaker 3: air date was January eighteenth, twenty twelve, and we have
Speaker 3: a family member guest friend of the pod here with
Speaker 3: us today.
Speaker 2: Take it away, Stephen, excited to be here, you guys. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's season nine. You guys made it. We did it
Speaker 2: finish line as you could. It's it's there in the distance,
Speaker 2: you could see it. I mean, we only did about
Speaker 2: I don't know seventeen eighteen episodes. Actual viewing episodes with
Speaker 2: some Q and as for the Lagoda Beach Podcast, but
Speaker 2: you guys, I don't know what what number episode you're on,
Speaker 2: but honestly, bravo, bravo.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's a lot because there were one hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty seven episodes of One Tree Hill. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: we've done a recap for every episode and Q and
Speaker 3: a's with you guys, and like special live shows, the
Speaker 3: live show, and.
Speaker 2: How isn't seeing it? Everybody grew up before your eyes,
Speaker 2: like from season one to oh my gosh, she's nine.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a it's almost ten years.
Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy. Also, God, this show started in
Speaker 3: a time where the fashion was just so bad, right,
Speaker 3: it was so bad, like where were the tops of
Speaker 3: our pants? We were just missing inches. It was wrong.
Speaker 4: But I'm glad.
Speaker 3: I'm glad we are where we are today. Do you
Speaker 3: concur guest of honor, want to read this ynopsis for
Speaker 3: the folks at home?
Speaker 2: Oh? Sure, alright, you guys, Welcome to season nine, episode two.
Speaker 2: Here is the synopsis. Brooke discusses a new business venture
Speaker 2: with her father, as Julian stresses about his own investment,
Speaker 2: Quinn convinces Clay to get help, and Millie struggles to
Speaker 2: be honest with mouth. Meanwhile, Chris Keller the makes Alex
Speaker 2: an offer she may not be able to refuse, and
Speaker 2: Nathan volunteers to scout in Europe, leaving Dan with Haley
Speaker 2: and Jamie.
Speaker 5: This episode it was great because there was stuff I
Speaker 5: really liked. There was stuff I really disliked. Oh well,
Speaker 5: it's easy because there's only like one real source spot
Speaker 5: for me, and that is, like, what the hell are
Speaker 5: we doing to poor Lee Norris? And what is this offensive, lame,
Speaker 5: half baked attempt.
Speaker 2: At a storyline.
Speaker 5: I remember it happening and even and being like what's
Speaker 5: going on? And Lee was just sort of like, I don't,
Speaker 5: I don't, I don't know, and I'm now watching the
Speaker 5: episode it is. It's just so we're getting a little
Speaker 5: ahead of ourselves a bolt. Let's just jump in because
Speaker 5: now I'm hot in the biscuit about it. I I
Speaker 5: don't understand because first of all, the first like Jerry
Speaker 5: and uh Millie are talking about the station like it's
Speaker 5: some huge thing. And then he for first of all,
Speaker 5: he walks into his first shot and he is he's
Speaker 5: double fisting a hogie. I just thought like it was
Speaker 5: so hat on a hat, like he's already in a
Speaker 5: in like the air quotes like a fat suit.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
Speaker 5: I thought, It's like he's why is like, so he
Speaker 5: gained some weight. He didn't look like morbidly obese or
Speaker 5: like he was unhealthy. He just looked like a guy
Speaker 5: who had gained some weight.
Speaker 2: And like it was this just.
Speaker 5: Weird, stupid, like and the bit apparently is that he's
Speaker 5: gained weight. Like that's the punchline and we can't talk
Speaker 5: about it with it. I just Lee's so good and
Speaker 5: the character of mouth is so interesting and unique, and
Speaker 5: the best we could do was put him in a
Speaker 5: fat suit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a real weird choice. And I don't know
Speaker 3: if this bumped you, but when Millie's talking to Jerry
Speaker 3: and is like, I'm worried for his health and this,
Speaker 3: that and the other, and Jerry basically alludes to how like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, we've all struggled, like because she went to rehab,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, wait a second, wait a second,
Speaker 3: what is this? And truly I wonder did they just
Speaker 3: run out of storylines? Did they run out of creativity?
Speaker 3: Because these two having a super highly rated morning show
Speaker 3: together is adorable and a whole universe that we could
Speaker 3: be exploring, but the gag is that he's eating ice
Speaker 3: cream on TV and saying he's not going to share
Speaker 3: with his girlfriend and got fat, like.
Speaker 5: And there is no connective tissue between what's happening now
Speaker 5: and anything that we have established with Mouth over the
Speaker 5: previous eight seasons. It's not like we've alluded to maybe
Speaker 5: him having a thyroid issue or like he's battled weight
Speaker 5: his whole life. It's just it's like apropos of nothing.
Speaker 5: This thing just happens. And it's what's so jarring about
Speaker 5: it is Season nine opened so hot, like the teaser
Speaker 5: was everyone like, the steaks literally couldn't have been higher.
Speaker 5: Mouth's not even there. Okay, fine, but then we go
Speaker 5: into episode two and there is so much about this
Speaker 5: episode that is really masterful storytelling. Yeah, the Dan Scott
Speaker 5: of it all.
Speaker 2: You know, these things that.
Speaker 5: Are happening, Clay and Quinn, you know, Alex and Chase,
Speaker 5: and then it's just like it's completely off kilter. And
Speaker 5: then there's Mouth and what I remember I remember back then,
Speaker 5: I honestly remember asking Lee is uh is our boss?
Speaker 2: Is he pissed at you?
Speaker 5: Is with you? Like? What's because it was it was
Speaker 5: because clearly our writer's room was very good at storytelling.
Speaker 5: They provided pretty awesome stories for everyone so far this season,
Speaker 5: and it was just like, which one of these does
Speaker 5: not belong?
Speaker 2: And yep, I didn't get it, man. And it's so
Speaker 2: funny because there's some some moments where I'm watching where
Speaker 2: and it is nice throughout this season where there's some
Speaker 2: lighter stuff with with the Chris Keller and Chase of
Speaker 2: it all. It's a little bit of kind of like
Speaker 2: a Buddy Cup thing that they that she have going on,
Speaker 2: and if sometimes I'd be like, does this kind of
Speaker 2: is it taken out of some of these like really
Speaker 2: again well written stuff that good storylines, what's going on
Speaker 2: with Clay Quinn and with Brooke as well, and and
Speaker 2: and of course with with Dan and and Nathan in
Speaker 2: and it's like there's some there's some intense stuff and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden it goes pops over to
Speaker 2: one of these scenes and I'd be like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: kind of a little silly, but maybe it's fun to
Speaker 2: have a little bit laugh here. But then I also
Speaker 2: felt that when you get into the scenes with with
Speaker 2: Lee and his suit and it was just like I thought,
Speaker 2: my mind was like, this feels like an idea that
Speaker 2: came up when honestly somebody might have been like drunk,
Speaker 2: and it's somehow stuck and and and sod and it
Speaker 2: just kind of made it much further that it shouldn't have.
Speaker 2: And especially yeah, when you think about Lee and his
Speaker 2: character in the show, and I mean it's kind of
Speaker 2: a it's ultimately, I think, a complimentally because it's like,
Speaker 2: all right, he can handle this, you know, let's let's
Speaker 2: have Lee do it because he's professional and he'll do it,
Speaker 2: and he'll and he'll he'll rise to the occasion and
Speaker 2: he'll commit. Yeah, it's and it's just unfortunate because it
Speaker 2: does feel like it doesn't it doesn't belong well.
Speaker 3: And part of why it bothers me and I don't
Speaker 3: I remember having the same feeling men, like what fight
Speaker 3: did you get in with the head hauncho to deal
Speaker 3: with this? And I think what irked me watching it
Speaker 3: is there is no drama currently in Brook and Julian's world,
Speaker 3: and there we have great buddy comedy stuff as characters,
Speaker 3: and so I'm watching how well they're writing for us
Speaker 3: and how just sort of baseless the writing is for
Speaker 3: Lee and Lisa, who are credible comedians, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: so obviously you know how to tell a joke. Why
Speaker 3: can't you just tell jokes for both couples? What are
Speaker 3: we doing here?
Speaker 2: And that was the up. They would have like three
Speaker 2: lines and then the scene, the scene would be over
Speaker 2: like this is yeah, I don't I don't get it.
Speaker 2: It's so brief. It was very very odd, very very odd.
Speaker 5: And you're saying like it's a credit to Lee, and
Speaker 5: you're right, I mean, because Lee sold it, he committed,
Speaker 5: But it was a disservice to the show and to
Speaker 5: the fans because you took the character of Mouth, who
Speaker 5: is so integral to the show. He's like the moral
Speaker 5: compass in a lot of ways, you know, and you
Speaker 5: made him a punchline that wasn't even funny. And then unfortunately,
Speaker 5: you tied Milly to it because she's his partner, so
Speaker 5: now she's stuck in these like very like lopsided scenes
Speaker 5: that don't make sense where there are no steaks or no.
Speaker 2: It's just like it's because I.
Speaker 5: Love both of them as actors, and I just I
Speaker 5: just found myself every time we had to cut back
Speaker 5: and watch them, it was like watching good actors do
Speaker 5: their best with really material.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say hats off to Lee because I
Speaker 3: was so shocked at how funny the moment was where
Speaker 3: he kissed her on the cheek and goes, what got
Speaker 3: a little mail on you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it was scripted or not,
Speaker 3: Like I don't And and that's exactly it. Like the
Speaker 3: the level of leaning into it. It's such a testament
Speaker 3: to them. But when you have actors as good as
Speaker 3: those two, just write them better.
Speaker 2: So anyway, watching Lee over the years in that show,
Speaker 2: like there was never a day where if I caught
Speaker 2: some of his scenes that that dude was ever offe Like,
Speaker 2: nothing fades him. He's such a vet, such a pro.
Speaker 2: I always enjoyed watching him because he came so prepared.
Speaker 2: He was never really phased by any that you know,
Speaker 2: whether it's it's a ton of people in trick a
Speaker 2: lot going on, or just you know, him and Millie's
Speaker 2: you know, sitting together. Yeah, he just was nails all
Speaker 2: the time. And so I that's what I was thinking
Speaker 2: watching I was like, man, they give it to him,
Speaker 2: they I get you could handle it. Yeah, he would
Speaker 2: rise to the occasion, but yeah, it was, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was interesting And don't rememberactly how that came about
Speaker 2: or what the story was, but I'm curious to know
Speaker 2: who's bad idea continue to push through and actually make
Speaker 2: it into the script.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's It feels like it had to be someone
Speaker 5: higher up pushing it through, because I just find it
Speaker 5: hard to believe that with the talent in our writer's
Speaker 5: room that no one thought they couldn't beat that storyline.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like the best joke wins. There's no
Speaker 5: way that that talented group of writers went can't top that. Nope,
Speaker 5: that's that's it. That's the pinnacle of creative storytelling. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 5: So that was That was kind of my main My
Speaker 5: main gripe is just like, yeah, they deserve better and
Speaker 5: they're so good, and yet we're having him do this and.
Speaker 3: I don't remember where it goes, but my goodness, I
Speaker 3: hope it doesn't stay for too long.
Speaker 5: Same and I thank you because I lost my train thought.
Speaker 5: That's what I was gonna say is I don't remember
Speaker 5: where this goes, so I I so hope that in
Speaker 5: a few episodes I'm able to go I was wrong.
Speaker 5: It actually was a great foil for something else. I hope,
Speaker 5: I hope I get to eat Crow on this, But
Speaker 5: because I don't, I'm just reacting to what I know,
Speaker 5: which is like just this episode, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: come on, guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, I remember Lee kind of like because I know
Speaker 2: it's gonna go on for a couple episodes. I didn't
Speaker 2: watch ahead too much, but I remember that. You know,
Speaker 2: he has to go to work now a couple hours earlier,
Speaker 2: his first up, and the call time is six thirty
Speaker 2: for everybody. He's in there at like four thirty in
Speaker 2: the morning. Because a lot of our days are club together.
Speaker 2: It's like if you see the scenes between Millie and Mouth,
Speaker 2: like they're gonna shoot all that in one day, and
Speaker 2: so you know they're gonna be there all day and
Speaker 2: they're gonna start early, and Lee's going to work. I mean, honestly, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's going. He's first, probably one of the first people
Speaker 2: to the yeah, to the studios to do all that.
Speaker 5: That's another reason why it was confusing, you know, because
Speaker 5: it wasn't as though they just realized, oh, we're over
Speaker 5: budget and we need to find what's a storyline that
Speaker 5: will cost us zero dollars. No, they had to design
Speaker 5: a custom suit around his body, which is not cheap.
Speaker 3: And make prosthetics for his face and neck.
Speaker 5: So it's actually it's a storyline that's going to cost
Speaker 5: more than a normal storyline. So again, it just it
Speaker 5: didn't make sense because it's it wasn't like, well, we're
Speaker 5: saving a ton of money here, so it's actually sort
Speaker 5: of a necessary band aid. It's like, right, no, this
Speaker 5: is costing more than arguably all of the other storylines
Speaker 5: because those are just locations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 5: Listen that said, The rest of the episode was a banger.
Speaker 3: Agreed, loved it.
Speaker 2: One of the things that that caught me was like, man,
Speaker 2: what a perfect kind of grenade to throw into this
Speaker 2: last season with the arrival of one Harry Johnson, mister
Speaker 2: Chris Keller. Uh you know, watching him, it's he's so good,
Speaker 2: so fine. I've heard, you know, I'd heard over the
Speaker 2: years we've never worked together, and heard all the stuff
Speaker 2: about him, and to have the opportunity to work with
Speaker 2: him in this season and see him up close a lot.
Speaker 2: What a fun character. Yeah, what a great character that
Speaker 2: he just he rocked and he's nothing like Chris Keller.
Speaker 2: So it's what's so cool just I mean, he's such
Speaker 2: a sweetheart, such a good dude, and Chris Keller is
Speaker 2: such at douche, and he knocks it out of the park.
Speaker 3: I think sometimes that that works best, like someone who's
Speaker 3: so kind playing someone who's not it. There's something that
Speaker 3: happens in the energetic alchemy where the jokes get funnier.
Speaker 3: And what killed me about this episode in particular the
Speaker 3: way he comes in in nine oh one is so good.
Speaker 3: But the best gag in this episode is that even
Speaker 3: though he's the worst, he's making everyone around him better.
Speaker 3: He's making Alex his music better. He's alone with Chuck
Speaker 3: for five minutes and he has scored Chuck's show tune
Speaker 3: like every single time you leave him and hope he
Speaker 3: gets what's coming to him when you get back to him.
Speaker 3: He's made someone's day. And it's just it's it's comedic poetry.
Speaker 3: I love it. And Tyler again commits to the bit
Speaker 3: so hard that you can't help but love him even
Speaker 3: though you kind of want to, like give him the
Speaker 3: double eyepoke that my kids used to do to each
Speaker 3: other in the fifties.
Speaker 2: And this is.
Speaker 5: Another testament to just how well written and well thought
Speaker 5: through this episode was that, Yeah, they did this amazing
Speaker 5: twofer that started off with a hilarious joke, which is
Speaker 5: that Chris Keller wrote the freaking toaster pastry jingle that
Speaker 5: n was singing last year.
Speaker 2: He's saying, so that blew my mind. That alone.
Speaker 5: I just thought, like, this is so funny that, like
Speaker 5: this infamous song, we're actually finding out this infamous character wrote,
Speaker 5: which is like perfectly on brand, right, And I thought
Speaker 5: that was it. But no, because then that actually became
Speaker 5: the device for Alex to sort of take a cheap
Speaker 5: shot at him, for us to get a glimpse at
Speaker 5: the actual vulnerability of Chris Keller. And that was such
Speaker 5: a good moment because Tyler is such a good actor
Speaker 5: that how do you not love getting to see him
Speaker 5: drop his guard and be honest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, him getting to be vulnerable and speak about regret
Speaker 3: and to own it kind of veneer off of No,
Speaker 3: everything I do is great, and that you know that
Speaker 3: pays my rent and dea da da da to drop
Speaker 3: it and be human. It plants that little seed that
Speaker 3: you see in Alex. For the rest of the episode,
Speaker 3: she goes back to Julian for advice, which we haven't
Speaker 3: seen her do in Why you Know. It's this thing
Speaker 3: where you get what's germinated in her mind based on
Speaker 3: his vulnerability, and it's a better device than if he
Speaker 3: had just been like the cocky guy saying some you know,
Speaker 3: passing off some shtick and making her self conscious. It's
Speaker 3: the vulnerability about the opportunities he let go that make
Speaker 3: her afraid to let something go. And I thought, like,
Speaker 3: how refreshing and new that moment.
Speaker 5: Rob.
Speaker 2: I'm glad he brought that moment up because I'd written
Speaker 2: down as one of my favorite moments of the show
Speaker 2: was that right when you're saying the guard comes down,
Speaker 2: and yeah, you see the vulnerability. It really gives it
Speaker 2: out a layer to the Chris Keller of it all,
Speaker 2: which was really really well done.
Speaker 5: And they did such a good job of actually making
Speaker 5: him three dimensional, you know, the fact that he is
Speaker 5: good at his job, and they show us how he
Speaker 5: does it, you know, so he demonstrates value. He's not
Speaker 5: just there to be an asshole. And then we see
Speaker 5: this glimpse into his vulnerability and him actually sharing his mistakes,
Speaker 5: you know, hopefully for the betterment of Alex all of
Speaker 5: that just fleshed him out so much, which makes him
Speaker 5: that much more lovable and just awesome as a character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's just so funny. He's just so damn Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like I called him, I was like, Buddy, I'm loving
Speaker 5: watching you on this show because like, like like you said, Steven,
Speaker 5: he is one of the sweetest men in the world.
Speaker 2: He's the best.
Speaker 5: He's nothing like Chris Keller. But oh my god, does
Speaker 5: he play a douchebag so believable and just so well.
Speaker 2: And make him so likable you can't mean there of course,
Speaker 2: there's those moments where you're like, oh the can Chris Keller,
Speaker 2: Like what an ass? What an ass? But then there
Speaker 2: are these other moments when show that vulnerability or I
Speaker 2: mean even at the end you listening to him sing
Speaker 2: as we're getting out of the episode. What a really
Speaker 2: really cool way to tie put a bow on the
Speaker 2: episode him singing and just having that little intimate moment,
Speaker 2: very very cool. It's like, if you were already sold
Speaker 2: on Chris Keller, you see that at the end of
Speaker 2: the episode, like, oh man, I love this character. I
Speaker 2: love watching him.
Speaker 3: And what I thought was so smart too, is the
Speaker 3: more human he's getting and even you see how enamored
Speaker 3: with him Chuck is, and he wants to do his
Speaker 3: hair like Chris. And then he's calling himself Chuck Skolnik
Speaker 3: and the third person like Chris Keller does, and you're
Speaker 3: gold that. I just I love him, even though I
Speaker 3: want to hit him. And then he shows up at
Speaker 3: Nathan and Haley's and just undercuts all the good he's
Speaker 3: been doing. And James played it so perfectly because he
Speaker 3: was so deadpanned a joy and just said my wife
Speaker 3: doesn't tell me things anymore. And I was like, this,
Speaker 3: it's just so well done.
Speaker 2: What does James say at the door? How that line
Speaker 2: written down? He's like, why do I say these things?
Speaker 2: He says something right before he opens the door and
Speaker 2: it's Chris Keller there. He says to himself that really
Speaker 2: it was a great delivery.
Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking of funny things, let's just rewind real quick
Speaker 5: to the start of the episode. So, first of all,
Speaker 5: the panic, the opening shot of Brooke and Julian waking.
Speaker 5: Brooke really wakes up in the path. He's like because
Speaker 5: she doesn't hear the kids, and as a parent, I
Speaker 5: was like, that is so real and so freaking funny.
Speaker 5: But cut to we find out it's Victoria has the
Speaker 5: twins in the kitchen. My new favorite thing is watching
Speaker 5: Austin House Food because his delivery when he said he says,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I love coffee cake while he's just
Speaker 5: in hailing it, and of course Brooke is not okay
Speaker 5: because why is Victoria in their house with the babies
Speaker 5: and he just can't be bothered to address it as
Speaker 5: day next time is quiet babies, coffee cake?
Speaker 2: Amazing?
Speaker 5: It was. He was just so funny, man. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: killed me.
Speaker 3: I loved like getting to do physical comedy in this
Speaker 3: way was always my favorite part of the show. And
Speaker 3: just the fact that we were able to have that
Speaker 3: the panic, what's going on? There's there's the humor in
Speaker 3: the sit up, in the look around, run into the room,
Speaker 3: you know, somebody fuck them. They're gone back into each other.
Speaker 3: He's on the ground. He tells me to hit him,
Speaker 3: and I slibb him across the face, all because we
Speaker 3: can't understand the picture of Victoria Davis in like a
Speaker 3: nineteen fifties housewife, apron and two perfectly behaved babies in
Speaker 3: the high Trick. It it just kept getting better and
Speaker 3: it's like, that's the joke you want to build. It's
Speaker 3: the opposite of the hat on the hat that they
Speaker 3: threw it at Lee and Lisa unfortunately. And I was like, man,
Speaker 3: this is this is exactly what I want to be doing.
Speaker 2: All yeah, you guys killed that. It was I was
Speaker 2: just saying, it was so far watching that you had
Speaker 2: to pop up and a run around the house him
Speaker 2: sliding it into the other rooms, that somebody stole them,
Speaker 2: and that you guys bump into each other. It was like,
Speaker 2: very well executed. I really really enjoyed that part.
Speaker 5: Oh so well. When at first I thought it was
Speaker 5: a bit right. I thought he was sensing that Brooke
Speaker 5: and Victoria were about to get into it, and he
Speaker 5: was trying to like distract and deflect.
Speaker 2: But then what was.
Speaker 5: Funny about it is you realized that's actually not the case.
Speaker 5: He is just so happy to have fresh coffee cake
Speaker 5: and quiet babies. Yeah, it was so smart and so funny.
Speaker 3: Man, it's so great. It's so great, and that the
Speaker 3: funny thing is like it was clearly funny then, but
Speaker 3: I was thinking about you watching the episode, Rob, because
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, now we both live
Speaker 3: in a house with two toddlers. Like, I know Rob's
Speaker 3: having the same experience I'm having right now, because it's
Speaker 3: like you wake up to quiet and you go.
Speaker 5: I don't want to move.
Speaker 3: I don't want to move, I don't want to breathe,
Speaker 3: I don't want to risk And it's just the stuff
Speaker 3: you don't know until you know it. And I I
Speaker 3: was giggling thinking about you watching that scene.
Speaker 5: Oh, as soon as you have kids sleeping, like everything,
Speaker 5: as soon as the house is quiet, it becomes like
Speaker 5: the hurt locker.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're like, don't you make a single sound, gently,
Speaker 3: don't shake the floorboards of the house.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. With our son, he was not a
Speaker 5: good sleeper, and so like as soon as he was
Speaker 5: actually down, and it was that like that that thing
Speaker 5: where it's just like if one of us made a sound,
Speaker 5: you're like like whisper fighting because you were just so
Speaker 5: afraid of protecting this small window of peace.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible. I also love that as they're so
Speaker 3: confused by the fact that they've gotten sleep and the
Speaker 3: fact that the babies are quiet, and what the fuck
Speaker 3: is going on? Why is Victoria baking? I loved Daphne's
Speaker 3: delivery of you don't see your father doing any of this,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, oh, I see what you're up to, lady, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's perfect.
Speaker 5: Thank god dance back. You know, you don't realize how
Speaker 5: much I was aware of he wasn't in season eight,
Speaker 5: but like, I didn't realize how much I missed him
Speaker 5: until he's back and he is just that like drama. Umami, yeah, like,
Speaker 5: oh that's it.
Speaker 3: I also love the flip of Julian this is so good, Victoria,
Speaker 3: and it cuts to Nathan going, this is not good, Hales,
Speaker 3: and it's like, it's all the parents. It's just parental drama,
Speaker 3: and no matter how old we get, we need it.
Speaker 3: We need the parents in the show.
Speaker 5: And there's not really any inherent comedy with what's happening
Speaker 5: between Nathan and Dan, but they built in this really
Speaker 5: great comedic device where Haley and Nathan are talking in
Speaker 5: their bedroom and she she was like, listen, I realized
Speaker 5: you weren't here. I didn't know what to do, and
Speaker 5: she basically says, I told him, if you want him
Speaker 5: to go, he has to go, and it smash cuts
Speaker 5: too Nathan's standing over Dan in bed, going you.
Speaker 2: Have to go. It was just such a great device,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that whole storyline, you know, like it's great.
Speaker 5: Dan Scott is the ultimate joker card. He's he's the
Speaker 5: wild card, like you just don't know what he's up to,
Speaker 5: And several times in this episode, because he's so believable
Speaker 5: when he's when he's I don't know air quotes pretending
Speaker 5: to be sincere. But then you have moments like why
Speaker 5: is he evesdropping on Nathan and Haley's private conversation in
Speaker 5: their bedroom not cool boundaries. Also at the end of
Speaker 5: the episode, when Nathan leaves and he basically tells him like,
Speaker 5: hey man, you can be here for right now, but
Speaker 5: you need to have an exit strategy in place, very
Speaker 5: very soon. And as soon as Nathan goes and Dan
Speaker 5: has like that line to Jamie or he's like, don't worry,
Speaker 5: I'm going to be here for a while.
Speaker 3: See yeah, you're like, what is it? And the device
Speaker 3: of Jamie like having a kid old enough to have
Speaker 3: their own relationship with someone, to have their own desires
Speaker 3: and running commentary also in a weird way, adds to
Speaker 3: both the tension and the comedy of the Scott House
Speaker 3: Right Now because as soon as you get that jump
Speaker 3: cut to Nathan saying you have to go. There's sweet
Speaker 3: little Jamie being like you didn't set a place for grandpa,
Speaker 3: and he starts moving the dishes around on the table
Speaker 3: and you're just like, oh shit, they're going to have
Speaker 3: to eat their words now, and then boom, Dan's at breakfast.
Speaker 3: It's it's all.
Speaker 2: It's really well Dan Scott. I mean, he's he's the
Speaker 2: character where I mean, you're gonna stick around for that guy.
Speaker 2: They're like, I want to see what this extra is
Speaker 2: going to do next because he is just in't here
Speaker 2: causing chaos, and uh yeah, he's such a great character.
Speaker 5: Can I pitch my fan theory that I came up
Speaker 5: with while I was watching this, Yes, it's going to
Speaker 5: be out there, right, But I don't remember all the specifics,
Speaker 5: but I do know obviously that Nathan is he's on
Speaker 5: the cusp of being kidnapped. Right, You're right, is there
Speaker 5: a world in which Dan Scott, who I know ultimately
Speaker 5: is the savior is arranged so the perpetrator? I'm just
Speaker 5: saying because here's why, right, Remember in the episode nine
Speaker 5: oh one, there was like there was a couple creepy
Speaker 5: instances of like Karen's cafe front door was left open,
Speaker 5: there was someone jiggling the handle at at the James
Speaker 5: House and we were like, was it the gangster thing? Okay,
Speaker 5: it couldn't have been gangsters. It had to have been
Speaker 5: Dan Scott because Nathan wasn't even supposed to be in
Speaker 5: Europe at this at that point in the storytelling, because
Speaker 5: Clay was the one who was supposed to go, it
Speaker 5: was an eleventh hour decision for Nathan to step in
Speaker 5: for him. So I just thought, I just found myself
Speaker 5: when I watched that shot of Dan standing there with
Speaker 5: Jamie watching the car drive away. And because Dan Scott
Speaker 5: is Dan Scott, it is not outside the realm of
Speaker 5: possibility for him to orchestrate. I mean, listen, the season
Speaker 5: started with him setting his own place of work on fire,
Speaker 5: his own home and business. So I just thought, wouldn't
Speaker 5: And so I'm just putting that out there because I
Speaker 5: don't remember the specifics and that might be disproved very soon,
Speaker 5: but I just thought, like, wouldn't that be so Dan
Speaker 5: Scott to have your own son kidnapped so then you
Speaker 5: could be the hero and the good guy again.
Speaker 3: And by the way. You know why I like where
Speaker 3: you're going with this because near the end of the episode,
Speaker 3: when Haley and Nathan are talking, she oh, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's when she's talking to Date and she essentially is saying,
Speaker 3: I am angry at you for what you did to
Speaker 3: Keith every day, and then she repeats that to Nate, saying,
Speaker 3: you know, he took Keith from us, but he also
Speaker 3: saved our son's life. So it's like her feelings about
Speaker 3: him are on a seesaw. There's the most horrible thing
Speaker 3: and the most amazing thing waited on opposite ends, right,
Speaker 3: So how do you make the most horrible thing maybe
Speaker 3: go away? You have to do another one of the
Speaker 3: most amazing things, which is save the other person.
Speaker 5: Yes, and the conversation you're referencing was that the one
Speaker 5: that we pulled out from and saw that he was
Speaker 5: in the hallway listening, Yes, yes, yes, saying.
Speaker 2: We're aw by me in it. Oh, detective work over here.
Speaker 2: I'm impressed you are, Stephen.
Speaker 3: All the fans are clamoring for Rob to start watching
Speaker 3: the show from season one because of his reactions to
Speaker 3: the things he learns, like the fact that Brooke and
Speaker 3: Chase dated in high school, and now I'm like, should
Speaker 3: you be should you be going back and starting or
Speaker 3: are you gonna, like, are you going to write the
Speaker 3: fan fiction? Are you like, I don't know, You're not
Speaker 3: a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 5: I'll wear a couple of hats, guys, Let's do it. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll be I'll recap and fan fixed. Let's do it.
Speaker 3: I love it. Uh, Poor Quinn, oh man, you know
Speaker 3: so heavy. You know what really was a shot to
Speaker 3: the heart for me was that beautiful scene with you
Speaker 3: and Chantelle where you're fighting her on therapy and she
Speaker 3: doesn't understand why and she has to stop you by saying,
Speaker 3: this is happening to me too.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 3: It just like it was like an emotional gut punch
Speaker 3: in a good way, because it's the perfect way to
Speaker 3: explain what it is like to love someone who is
Speaker 3: in some version of danger.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And when that like, you know, when you're looking at
Speaker 3: your person and they're suffering, you're suffering too. And I
Speaker 3: thought it was really beautiful.
Speaker 5: She is exhibiting an olympic level of patience and grace
Speaker 5: with the situation because Clay is being real up to
Speaker 5: some sort of I think just selfish and self involved
Speaker 5: and thinking it's not having repercussions when she's having to
Speaker 5: just pick him up from the Pollee station in random
Speaker 5: parks in the middle of the night. I mean, that's yeah,
Speaker 5: that's crazy, so scary behavior because think about it, that
Speaker 5: means your partner could be getting hit by a car
Speaker 5: like they don't, Well, that's it. It's it's nuts. So
Speaker 5: she has handled it so so so well, and especially
Speaker 5: that it's like it's just therapy, you know, it's not
Speaker 5: like it's a it's a serious medication that's going to
Speaker 5: change who you are is a person.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: That would be a little it would make a little
Speaker 5: more sense to be stubborn about it, but it's I
Speaker 5: felt for her that she was having to fight so
Speaker 5: hard for something that seemed incredibly reasonable.
Speaker 3: I did too. And then what I loved was we
Speaker 3: had the same aha moment in the Vulnerable reveal with
Speaker 3: Clay that we had with Chris Keller in their own ways,
Speaker 3: when you finally say, closer to the end of the episode,
Speaker 3: it if medication fixes me, then then I'm sick. If
Speaker 3: it's in my head, then I'm crazy. And I went, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: I understand why. I understand that he is experiencing such
Speaker 3: deep fear about what this could mean, that he's terrified
Speaker 3: to know the answer. And Ah, he's not dismissing her feelings.
Speaker 3: He's not being dismissive of his own safety. He's really
Speaker 3: really scared to know what's wrong. And it was a
Speaker 3: really nice moment to see for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because without that, he just seems like he's being
Speaker 5: selfish and unreasonable, and yeah, that makes and then you
Speaker 5: hear that, and also given his history, you're like, fair enough,
Speaker 5: you've gone through some serious traumas that you haven't really
Speaker 5: done the work around.
Speaker 3: It was a great scene with you, Rob Chantelle, James
Speaker 3: and Jackson when you're like, you told Nathan and she's like,
Speaker 3: of course I did. And you're all in the room
Speaker 3: going back and forth. And again, Jamie serves for the
Speaker 3: comedic device in the heavy situation, just like he's doing
Speaker 3: in the house with Nathan and Haley and Dan with
Speaker 3: you guys, him getting so amped that Clay might be
Speaker 3: a werewolf. He's just it's like chef's kiss. It's the
Speaker 3: perfect levity to let some of the pressure out of
Speaker 3: the valve.
Speaker 5: And again, great writing because they also found a moment
Speaker 5: to show the friendship and the care and the love
Speaker 5: between Nathan and Clay. Yeah, that Nathan was about to
Speaker 5: make a really big sacrifice that wasn't going to be
Speaker 5: easy on his family, and he didn't think about it twice.
Speaker 5: So it was just like everything worked on multiple levels,
Speaker 5: you know, and Haley being bummed but getting it, you
Speaker 5: know because like she also cares for Clay.
Speaker 4: It was it was all of it was great, man,
Speaker 4: it was all really good.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's talk about Brooks dad, how charming is.
Speaker 3: So charming and the sexual tension between Ted and Daphney,
Speaker 3: how much they hate each other but like it's a
Speaker 3: and the way they know because nobody throws a barb
Speaker 3: like Victoria Davis except for Ted Davis. And seeing them
Speaker 3: go in a Ted a Ted, I'm obsessed with it.
Speaker 5: Also, no one dramatically pounds a Martini better than Daphne's Zuniga.
Speaker 3: No, incredible.
Speaker 5: That was such a great moment. But yes, the way
Speaker 5: he plays with her, Oh, the way he just sort
Speaker 5: of sits back with that smirk and just lobs just
Speaker 5: grenades at her is so good. And this scene with
Speaker 5: uh Brooke and what's his name Ted.
Speaker 2: It's Ted. Yeah.
Speaker 5: This scene with Brooke and Ted when he's very late
Speaker 5: for lunch, imber I noted that it's it is. He
Speaker 5: presents just the right amount of ick to be noticeable
Speaker 5: and slightly concerning, but not enough to be red flaggy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And there's a really interesting thing because Brooke and
Speaker 3: Victoria have made it through their stuff. It makes sense
Speaker 3: that Brooke excuses the red flags about Ted because they're
Speaker 3: always coming out of Victoria's mouth, and she's like, well,
Speaker 3: of course you hate him, but look at us. You changed,
Speaker 3: he could change, so in a weird way, Victoria, it's
Speaker 3: like she could be his foil, but she can't be
Speaker 3: because she unfoiled herself. And it's it's really good. It's
Speaker 3: a good tug of war that they've given. And I
Speaker 3: love that Victoria tries to go to Julian for help
Speaker 3: and he's just like, uh uh, I just want Brook happy,
Speaker 3: let me alone.
Speaker 5: As he's finishing the last phrase of the coffee cake,
Speaker 5: which was such a smart choice to have him with
Speaker 5: that like nearly empty plate of food. The runner is
Speaker 5: so and it gives us great opportunity for us to
Speaker 5: see that Victoria really cares about Brook. It's not just
Speaker 5: about being petty with her ex husband. It's also her
Speaker 5: showing up to say like, don't don't burn her, you know,
Speaker 5: which made what I thought was going to be her
Speaker 5: getting stood up at lunch so much more painful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's good. I also just hats off to
Speaker 3: Daphne because I have so much fun working with her
Speaker 3: and they give us that, they give us our own
Speaker 3: version of a seesaw. And when she when Brooke asks
Speaker 3: what's wrong, and Daphne just rattles off that list. I'm
Speaker 3: not getting any younger, I'm not having any sex my
Speaker 3: conniving ex husband. And it's just like it's so it's
Speaker 3: so so great, and I love getting to see the
Speaker 3: dynamic they give to us where I get to be
Speaker 3: sassy with her and say, first of all, ill second,
Speaker 3: and then we're into the thing. It's just like, ah,
Speaker 3: it's an energy that I miss and very much like
Speaker 3: when you see Dan Scott and you go god, I
Speaker 3: missed that guy, Like whenever I see Brooke and Victoria
Speaker 3: kind of go at it. I want more.
Speaker 5: My favorite line of the episode, first of all, you
Speaker 5: so good.
Speaker 2: You guys worked so well together. I remember watching it.
Speaker 2: I remember taking acts of being on set and see
Speaker 2: whenever you guys work together, it always kind of stopped
Speaker 2: me to hang out and watch a little bit more
Speaker 2: of what you guys were doing because it was such
Speaker 2: a good dynamic between the two of you. So just
Speaker 2: to what you're saying right there had the like acknowledgement
Speaker 2: of something and then get to what Brook needs to
Speaker 2: get to right like, all right, I'm gonna deal with
Speaker 2: that later, like clearly if you could just you can
Speaker 2: see the history and the baggage between the two of them,
Speaker 2: and uh, it's yeah, it's it's deep, and it's it's
Speaker 2: when you guys are on screen together. Really, it really pops.
Speaker 1: Thanks Pal.
Speaker 3: I also love there's things that I think I've realized
Speaker 3: through you know, our adulthood and like another ad for
Speaker 3: better help therapy, like so many people in our sort
Speaker 3: of age range have had to deal with the ramifications
Speaker 3: of being you know, parentified children. And I was watching
Speaker 3: that argument and I was like, oh my god, look
Speaker 3: Brook literally has to parent her mom. Like they get
Speaker 3: into it and then she's like, do you know how
Speaker 3: ridiculous it is that I can only get you to
Speaker 3: to pay attention to me if I'm making clothes. I
Speaker 3: just want parents that want to spend time with me.
Speaker 3: And it's so it's so spot on because they're her parents,
Speaker 3: but she has to parent them all the time. Makes
Speaker 3: me get go.
Speaker 5: Let me ask a question. Is it romantic or bold
Speaker 5: or inappropriate to move someone in without having even asked
Speaker 5: them first?
Speaker 2: Mate, I have the exact same question. I was waiting
Speaker 2: for you guys to bring it up, but I was
Speaker 2: just like, I'm just gonna sit back. Of course, someone's
Speaker 2: gotta mention because this is not this is not normal.
Speaker 3: This is not not normal behavior.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's it's I was even I was
Speaker 2: asking my fiance. I was like, this is this would
Speaker 2: you find the sway? Which you find it creepy? He's like, well,
Speaker 2: how long they had been dating? And she asked all
Speaker 2: these questions on Alexi, You're having to ask a lot
Speaker 2: of questions. It's not an easy Yes, it's weird, it's.
Speaker 5: All okay, Yeah, I thought so as well.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing. And we've talked about this a lot.
Speaker 3: We talked about this last week. You know, in the
Speaker 3: first episode of the season, we were like, God, poor
Speaker 3: Steven and Jana. I just had to be in a
Speaker 3: bed and half naked. And but you guys are so
Speaker 3: good together. You have such great natural chemistry as co
Speaker 3: stars that you make things that could feel icky really
Speaker 3: enjoyable to watch. And so the notes I wrote, I
Speaker 3: was like, wait a second, Cha's talking to Chuck about this.
Speaker 3: It sort of seems adorable. And then they get there
Speaker 3: and they're packing up her stuff. She's being given a choice,
Speaker 3: she's not her opinion is not asked. It's actually really
Speaker 3: an overreach and kind of creepy. And yet you and
Speaker 3: Jana make it so sweet and her kind of overwhelm
Speaker 3: and you were like, here's your glasses in your picture
Speaker 3: and I knew you'd need these things. And here's where
Speaker 3: I did all your toilet trees. And it's you guys
Speaker 3: are so sweet that you make a creepy situation less creepy.
Speaker 3: But I still think if someone did it to me,
Speaker 3: I might be like, oh, we're like two steps away
Speaker 3: from put the lotion in the basket. Really, what's happening here?
Speaker 2: What I felt watching it was and I don't remember
Speaker 2: this as much when we were shooting it. I remember like, okay,
Speaker 2: this is what topic. When need to commit to this,
Speaker 2: Like you know he Chase is really just trying to
Speaker 2: put his best foot forward and trying to display his
Speaker 2: love for her, which, by the way, before he tells
Speaker 2: her he is in love with her, he tells Chuck
Speaker 2: that the first person he tells about it, which is
Speaker 2: just kind of a little odd for me as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's weird, but it's sweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, and I think at the undercurt of
Speaker 2: it all is like he is trying to be sweet, right,
Speaker 2: and it comes from a sweety place, but yeah, the
Speaker 2: delivery is not quite smooth, and it just not Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think it would be accepted by by most folks.
Speaker 2: I feel like somebody like, you know what, that's cool.
Speaker 2: I love that he took that. That's great. But for me,
Speaker 2: the problem I have with it is that it was
Speaker 2: like he was not going to give her a chance
Speaker 2: to say no, even after the fact, because when we
Speaker 2: get into him like I've got the surprise for you,
Speaker 2: she comes over and then he is showing her you know,
Speaker 2: your your your pictures on the wall, right, your glasses
Speaker 2: are on the night stand, the makeup is in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: You don't have a choice. You cannot say Ei, there's
Speaker 2: no way you can say I'm not ready for this
Speaker 2: or I'm a little creeped out, like so that was like,
Speaker 2: oh man, like she she has to be okay with it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. It was an odd, odd, odd
Speaker 2: display of love. But you know what, maybe fan fiction
Speaker 2: rob can but can we say he was just so
Speaker 2: drunk on love trying to you know, he needed to
Speaker 2: get it out and he had set it yet and
Speaker 2: he decided to take action by moving stuff.
Speaker 5: That's that's how I can make sense of it. Right.
Speaker 5: I still think it's a huge misstep because you're not
Speaker 5: inviting someone to cohabitate.
Speaker 2: You are.
Speaker 5: You are making a decision, a unilateral decision, and then
Speaker 5: you are choosing where they get to take up space.
Speaker 5: It's no, it's really bad, right, that's it.
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like collaboration. It feels like claiming yes.
Speaker 5: And but here here's why, because you. Chase also has
Speaker 5: a line that really bummed me out in a big way,
Speaker 5: which is after you say I love you and you
Speaker 5: guys have sex, you're laying there an apropos of nothing.
Speaker 5: You just go or Chase goes it's okay, you didn't
Speaker 5: say it back, and she's like, huh, it's okay, you
Speaker 5: didn't say I love you back, And I'm like, if
Speaker 5: this isn't the most no therapy backwards way to try
Speaker 5: to get into the conversation you want to have. But
Speaker 5: the reason why you're that's why I think it works.
Speaker 5: If we're gonna why I would argue that it's fine.
Speaker 5: The way it is is everything you did that Chase
Speaker 5: did is born of good intention. I don't think Chase
Speaker 5: did it to be controlling. I think Chase did it
Speaker 5: because he loves her and he wants to show it.
Speaker 5: And I think then he also this the circling back
Speaker 5: on that didn't say I love you. He's insecure, you know,
Speaker 5: and he's trying to sort of feel that out. And
Speaker 5: because you play the role with such sincerity, that's why
Speaker 5: I think it works, Because exactly, I buy a twenty
Speaker 5: five year old dude whatever you're supposed to be at
Speaker 5: this point, who is putting on his adult pants for
Speaker 5: the first time. It's awkward and it's clumsy, and so yeah,
Speaker 5: I understand all of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this feels like the relationship to Chase is
Speaker 2: one that he does not and again it could sound
Speaker 2: creepy at first, but he does not want to let go.
Speaker 2: He does not want to let this one go. He
Speaker 2: doesn't want to lose it after you know, considering what's
Speaker 2: happened in his past relationships and which is kind of
Speaker 2: ultimately you know where we know the sends up. Which
Speaker 2: is so tragic about it all is because him coming
Speaker 2: off of having this relationship with me and what she
Speaker 2: meant to him, and really not wanting to screw up
Speaker 2: the next one and really wanting to make the next
Speaker 2: one work. You know, I feel like when you see
Speaker 2: it with the little like love triangle that they're in,
Speaker 2: like Chase was out of his league and it was
Speaker 2: like he did not want to be in this situation.
Speaker 2: It's not you know, that's not something that like he
Speaker 2: found himself in often. And so now that he's got
Speaker 2: a girl that he feels struggling about, he feels like
Speaker 2: it's reciprocated. He's like, Okay, like let's like let's make
Speaker 2: the steps for her to one hundred percent know that
Speaker 2: I'm all in, and hopefully that'll want her to maybe
Speaker 2: stick around, right or any opportunity that she might have
Speaker 2: to question the relationship, question his love for her, or
Speaker 2: go somewhere else, she would be she would not be
Speaker 2: able to take it, because man, what a great thing
Speaker 2: that we have. And that's the way I felt about it,
Speaker 2: like for seeing him as like I can't let anything
Speaker 2: come between this, so like let's let's just get you know,
Speaker 2: let's get this train rolling. And you know, there's something
Speaker 2: to be said about, you know, moving too quick or
Speaker 2: being too eager. And I think in that situation, you know,
Speaker 2: while it's coming from a good place, you're you're you're
Speaker 2: seeing him too eager, and ultimately it's gonna buy it.
Speaker 3: But well, I think that's a really astute observation because
Speaker 3: especially when you're younger, you know, if you think about
Speaker 3: like a pendulum swing, if you think you've made a mistake,
Speaker 3: the way to do it differently is actually to come
Speaker 3: to center. But so often people go like, oh, I
Speaker 3: did this dumb thing. Let me go do this thing
Speaker 3: over here, And it takes, you know, time to learn
Speaker 3: not to do that, to to not failing on both
Speaker 3: hard in the other direction, to try to course correct.
Speaker 3: May or may not be saying that from experience, you
Speaker 3: who knows.
Speaker 2: Are we all? Are we all?
Speaker 3: Are we all? I think that's a real thing, and
Speaker 3: and I think that's what you're observing, and that's what
Speaker 3: makes it feel really grounded. And to Rob's point, you're
Speaker 3: really genuinely excited about it. So it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 3: feel creepy coming from Chase. But I also think as
Speaker 3: adults were like, oh, a bad call man. No, no,
Speaker 3: we know better, and that's not the vibe.
Speaker 5: And as someone who likes Chase and roots for Chase,
Speaker 5: one thing I will say is that he has good
Speaker 5: instincts because we learned last season from his little confessional
Speaker 5: with Julian when when he was stuck in the middle
Speaker 5: level love triangle, he made the surprising decision of saying
Speaker 5: no to both of them. Yeah and it so it
Speaker 5: had he stuck with what his gut told him, Like
Speaker 5: he was right, you know what I mean, Like his gut,
Speaker 5: his gut was right. So I feel like and then
Speaker 5: like we see the stuff with Chuck, it we are
Speaker 5: just watching a young man grow up. But at his core,
Speaker 5: like all of the right things are there, you know,
Speaker 5: his like his morality, he's there. His instincts are good
Speaker 5: and seem to be on, you know, and like, so
Speaker 5: we're just watching him go through the trial and error
Speaker 5: of figuring it out. But he's a good guy. You know,
Speaker 5: he's going to get there. We're just watching, you know,
Speaker 5: some rough drafts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I felt it's like I remember thinking
Speaker 2: about this with with with Chase.
Speaker 3: With to what you're.
Speaker 2: Saying, I think you hit it on the head, Matt.
Speaker 2: It it feels like he always he wanted to do
Speaker 2: the right thing, did have a good set of morals
Speaker 2: and values around him, but would find himself experiencing life
Speaker 2: where it's like, I don't care who you are and
Speaker 2: how perfect you you aspire to be in life, like
Speaker 2: you're going to You're going to step in s h
Speaker 2: I T at some point, you know, and and you're
Speaker 2: going to have your issues and your problems with with
Speaker 2: certain people, or you're gonna some people are gonn align
Speaker 2: with you and how you handle that. And so I
Speaker 2: think that that's why I see it's like that, you know,
Speaker 2: Chase his core, he really does mean well, but it's
Speaker 2: just the execution is not always smooth.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's really which is great, but it breaks
Speaker 3: my heart because at the end when she goes and
Speaker 3: says to Chris, I want to go on the tour,
Speaker 3: I was like, good, too much, too much, too much
Speaker 3: to blow and parachute oh god, yep, yep.
Speaker 5: There's especially like when you see someone has completely dropped
Speaker 5: their armor and they're like, yeah, well nothing here but vulnerability,
Speaker 5: and then that they're about to get just completely caught
Speaker 5: off guard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sad for you. I'm nervous for next week.
Speaker 2: It was a yeah, I remember it was. It was
Speaker 2: kind of a shocking I mean, look where it's it's
Speaker 2: TV the stuff. It's like, right when you get the
Speaker 2: bow on the present and it's ready to go that
Speaker 2: it's you know, someone's gonna steal it, right or it
Speaker 2: gets ripped apart like it. That's with the journey and
Speaker 2: for Chasing and Alex. You know, all right this you think,
Speaker 2: And I I remember going like, all right, that's cool.
Speaker 2: Let's see how they interact as a couple that is
Speaker 2: feeling secured together. How are they going to take out
Speaker 2: on the world together? But what are they going to
Speaker 2: have to navigate together as a as a couple. And
Speaker 2: we don't really see that, We don't really get that
Speaker 2: because it's you know, the rugs pulled out from underneath
Speaker 2: it and and that's it. And uh, I remember being
Speaker 2: disappointed that all of a sudden all right, we're going
Speaker 2: to you know, see Alex as much anymore.
Speaker 3: So Yeah, I know it's hard.
Speaker 2: But and I want to, you know, circle back to
Speaker 2: the questions we have before night. The question I get
Speaker 2: often when where iver at a convention or something, which
Speaker 2: is where Chase. Where I feel Chase's is best suited
Speaker 2: between the Mia and Alex at all. And I really
Speaker 2: did screw up by like kind of like give it
Speaker 2: a half baked answer about Oh, I think Mia would
Speaker 2: be a good one because watching this and watching some
Speaker 2: of the end of season and seeing what Alex and
Speaker 2: Chase had together, and seeing how Janna plays Alex, like
Speaker 2: really really some some great stuff. But it's bringing back
Speaker 2: a lot of good memories of working with Channa. She's
Speaker 2: a fantastic actress, and her Alex is so good that
Speaker 2: the character she's she's so good on screen. So there
Speaker 2: there is a strong, strong case for what could have
Speaker 2: been one hundred percent with Chase said Alex. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: I listen.
Speaker 5: I having you know, I have no idea how the
Speaker 5: rest of the season wraps up. I'm assuming because I
Speaker 5: thought you and Mia were like always in game that
Speaker 5: it's going to be you and Mea or chasing Mea.
Speaker 5: And if that's the case, boy, I just sure hope
Speaker 5: there's a good reason for it, and it's not just
Speaker 5: well you're the last girl left in town, you know?
Speaker 5: But I agree, I love I love Chasing Alex. I
Speaker 5: have been so pleasantly surprised that it has gone on
Speaker 5: for as long as it did, because, like I said,
Speaker 5: I I thought you guys had like a one episode
Speaker 5: thing and that was it.
Speaker 2: So you are in for a curveball. I do know
Speaker 2: what comes next, and I wish I could see I
Speaker 2: wish I could see you watch it.
Speaker 5: I'll text you. I'll text you after it. I'm sure
Speaker 5: i'll know the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a doozy, my friend, it
Speaker 2: is a doozy.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: We have a listener question, which is interesting because we
Speaker 3: are talking about how things wrap up, and Chris wants
Speaker 3: to know going into the final season, was there a
Speaker 3: sense of pressure or responsibility to give longtime fans the
Speaker 3: ending they deserved.
Speaker 5: I feel like that pressure was more on the writers,
Speaker 5: don't you.
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say. I think it's
Speaker 3: really tricky when you are an actor, because yes, of
Speaker 3: course you want things to be beautiful and everyone knows
Speaker 3: how hard it is to you know, wrap up a
Speaker 3: whole series in a perfect bow. But I think it
Speaker 3: would be so much harder, you know, to be like
Speaker 3: a Quinta or someone who writes and stars in their
Speaker 3: own show. I think I would have like a nervous
Speaker 3: breakdown for a series finale if I had to write it.
Speaker 2: And I agree with you, guys, I think it's it's
Speaker 2: definitely all it's the writers are the real heroes in
Speaker 2: this right They are the ones that are putting that
Speaker 2: story down and then we show up to play it.
Speaker 2: But I would feel, you know, I would not feel
Speaker 2: appropriate answering that question. I feel like, soph you would
Speaker 2: be the one just because you've been there from the beginning,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm curious because you you I actually
Speaker 2: like I speak for you, but I would I would
Speaker 2: feel like maybe if I was in your shoes, I
Speaker 2: was it from the beginning and I knew the impact
Speaker 2: that this show had that were you going into the
Speaker 2: last season just hoping and praying that they were going
Speaker 2: to do right by your character? And did you did
Speaker 2: you at all feel the pressure of like, oh no,
Speaker 2: what's like? How are they gonna you know, put a
Speaker 2: bow on on the on the book of it all.
Speaker 2: What's it going to be? Were you very curious to
Speaker 2: ask them even going in or at the end of
Speaker 2: season eight.
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought the end of season eight was
Speaker 3: really beautiful. We talked a few weeks ago about how
Speaker 3: it really did feel like a series finale because we
Speaker 3: all thought it was gonna be. You know, I remember
Speaker 3: even like an amazing conversation I had. I went out
Speaker 3: to dinner with two of the writers in like the
Speaker 3: last few weeks of season eight, And I won't say
Speaker 3: who they are because I don't want to blow them
Speaker 3: up on the internet, but like there were things where
Speaker 3: they were like, oh my god, now we can finally
Speaker 3: tell you this story, or we da da da da,
Speaker 3: And then we all came back and we were like,
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll be friends forever, but it is also
Speaker 3: really awkward that now we know these things and we're here,
Speaker 3: we have to like work with that person or whatever
Speaker 3: I think for me, you know, to Rob's earlier question,
Speaker 3: like about Lee's storyline, we obviously like our boss was
Speaker 3: an incredibly talented writer who ran an incredibly talented writer's
Speaker 3: room and also a vindictive, unkind person in some really
Speaker 3: terrible ways at terrible times. And what I think was
Speaker 3: hard about knowing we were going to wrap up and
Speaker 3: seeing some of the things happening for people was like
Speaker 3: people were getting really amazing stuff that it did feel
Speaker 3: like the characters deserved, and then people were getting dunked
Speaker 3: on in really unkind ways, and I just remember thinking, like,
Speaker 3: I really hope those things can stop by the time
Speaker 3: we get to our thirteenth episode, because this show means
Speaker 3: so much to so many people, to all of us,
Speaker 3: to the crew, but to the people who watch it,
Speaker 3: and I hope it's great. And I remember near the end,
Speaker 3: you know, spoiler alert if you haven't watched it, speed up.
Speaker 3: But I remember near the end, when Julian builds the
Speaker 3: high school on the sound stage, we had this scene
Speaker 3: in the hallway, and the scene just didn't feel great
Speaker 3: like it was. It was a very normal conversation between
Speaker 3: Brooke and Julian, and I remember saying to you know,
Speaker 3: the wonderful Greg Prange, like can I just have a second,
Speaker 3: Can I just talk for a second. And I just
Speaker 3: talked about our show and us in this place, and
Speaker 3: they put everything that I had lived in the episode
Speaker 3: and like that for me felt to answer Chris's question,
Speaker 3: like that's where I felt it. I was like in
Speaker 3: this moment, like I can't be Brooke Davis standing in
Speaker 3: front of Peyton's locker with nine years of history and
Speaker 3: like not say more, and they let me try one
Speaker 3: and then it made the episode and like that that
Speaker 3: was the moment where I was like, Okay, I got
Speaker 3: I got to sprinkle a little bit more for me
Speaker 3: and for our for our.
Speaker 6: Fans too, and it's also special, super cool and I
Speaker 6: and you used the word hope multiple times in that explanation,
Speaker 6: and that's what I was going to say is I
Speaker 6: didn't feel a sense of pressure or responsibility, I mean
Speaker 6: beyond the normal responsibility of you know, trying to play
Speaker 6: the characters as well as I could.
Speaker 5: I would say I had a sense of hope of
Speaker 5: just really crossing my fingers that we were going to
Speaker 5: land the plane and we were going to stick the landing.
Speaker 5: And I think by when we were shooting episode thirteen,
Speaker 5: especially like that the real kind of the wrap up
Speaker 5: of it feeling like Okay, this feels like we're in
Speaker 5: the right sandbox with giving that sort of like the respectful,
Speaker 5: happy ending to this world that we've created, and hopefully
Speaker 5: the fans feel the same way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially after the potential of a few seasons ending
Speaker 2: and being like this could be very well could be
Speaker 2: the last episode where everyone was, you know, convinced that
Speaker 2: maybe it was, and that it would come back, it
Speaker 2: would come back again, come back again.
Speaker 3: I also just remember, you know, it was a mix
Speaker 3: of emotions for all of us, right, like everyone was
Speaker 3: ready to be done, but also we didn't know what
Speaker 3: was coming next, and it's sad to think about leaving
Speaker 3: your friends and whatever hit me in our last episode.
Speaker 3: I mean I cried for two straight weeks every time
Speaker 3: I looked at any of you, every time I looked
Speaker 3: at like Maddie Doll on the camera, I just I
Speaker 3: just kept sobbing. And Tim was like, you have to
Speaker 3: stop crying. Your makeup hop and I'm like, god, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know. It was so it was like
Speaker 3: a really special bit or sweet thing.
Speaker 2: It was important. It was a very important part of
Speaker 2: all our lives during that time. I mean, at least
Speaker 2: for me, it's something I look back and think about,
Speaker 2: you know, A good chunk of my twenties growing up
Speaker 2: with you guys out there, and you field so fortunate
Speaker 2: to not only the experience work wise, the experience just
Speaker 2: with the people you guys, and the times that we
Speaker 2: had offset together were always so fun, and those memories
Speaker 2: I cherished the dearly, dearly to have, especially you know,
Speaker 2: to get growing up in southern California, to find myself
Speaker 2: in a little town on the East coast, not just
Speaker 2: for four years of college or something like that, but
Speaker 2: you know, for for a good chunk of you know,
Speaker 2: of a decade and making something that we were all
Speaker 2: so happy to actually have the opportunity the dream job,
Speaker 2: a job that we always hope that we'd get. So
Speaker 2: cherish those moments, even though you know, I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: by the time we get to season nine, a lot
Speaker 2: of people were like, all right, we've been doing the
Speaker 2: show for a very long time. Maybe it's time to
Speaker 2: move on to something else. But you know, for me,
Speaker 2: it was like I popped in season six and then
Speaker 2: you know, getting to see nine, I was around a
Speaker 2: lot more. But I also felt even at that point, like,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's it feels like it's time. It's
Speaker 2: it's been a great run, and it does feel like
Speaker 2: it's time to put this down.
Speaker 5: To set it down, not put it down like an
Speaker 5: injured horse.
Speaker 2: Guys, just to be yes, yes, humanely, yes, frame it
Speaker 2: and put it on the show. There you go, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: jet Lee, gently set it down.
Speaker 5: Steven wanted to take one tree hill out behind the
Speaker 5: barn and.
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize put it down. What I was saying, Oh, man,
Speaker 2: send it to pasture. Well you want to spend a
Speaker 2: wheel with us, buddy, Okay, yes.
Speaker 3: Most likely too, Let's do this most.
Speaker 2: Oh my, oh my gosh, I've never seen this before.
Speaker 3: Watch it's going to be most likely to cry through
Speaker 3: the workday.
Speaker 2: I'm like me, most Stephen, you read it, most likely
Speaker 2: to binge watch an entire season of a show in
Speaker 2: one day. Rob Buckley easily three kids. Yes, well, because
Speaker 2: you you would have it just on in the background,
Speaker 2: Like you wouldn't sit there and watch a show all day,
Speaker 2: but you like to just have I remember this when
Speaker 2: we were roomors, you would have like VP would always
Speaker 2: be on the background, maybe New Girl, like a great comedy.
Speaker 2: It's just like sometimes the music you have in your house,
Speaker 2: or at least it was when we were living together,
Speaker 2: which I loved. So it's like any you know, you
Speaker 2: kind of pop interview from time to time, but I
Speaker 2: would I would put you on theirs ass. And maybe
Speaker 2: it's not the true, you know, sitting down and watching
Speaker 2: every minute, but yeah, you're like, if we had to
Speaker 2: go through the log of like all right, how many
Speaker 2: times has this season been watched by the three of us?
Speaker 2: Just just from the loop that you would have on
Speaker 2: a TV, It's like it's got to be.
Speaker 5: Rob Yeah, yes, especially how many years did we live together?
Speaker 5: I was trying to do this math because it started
Speaker 5: on one I poached you from James. You were living
Speaker 5: with James at the beach initially.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then in this final season, which I'm surprised
Speaker 2: we really talk about because like, man, the fun we
Speaker 2: had like being such nerds video gaming, like just like
Speaker 2: like with candy, like going out, like just having candy
Speaker 2: then like just like wandering the streets like we're like
Speaker 2: it's so funny, Like we would just go out like
Speaker 2: and I honestly would be like a sugar high half
Speaker 2: the time, and I like we were just kind of
Speaker 2: mosier out yeah, and be like you know what we
Speaker 2: need at at two in the morning, Like where is
Speaker 2: there a coffee? Joint that's open because we want to
Speaker 2: like play video games for another like two hours, Like
Speaker 2: let's go to a CVS. It's twenty four hour, get some,
Speaker 2: get some like uh, you know, espresso shots.
Speaker 3: You were getting like energy and choco, talking.
Speaker 2: Like muddy buddies.
Speaker 5: And then we remember our brief kick as being graffiti artists.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know if you're to go like yeah,
Speaker 2: because that's kind of illegal and illegal, but we don't
Speaker 2: have to admit to anything.
Speaker 5: We just really liked street art for like four weeks yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And did we maybe target like construction sites that like
Speaker 2: stuff was gonna be painted over? Yes, we we we
Speaker 2: talked about that. We talked we talked.
Speaker 3: About the reponsible vandals.
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: We also had a we we would have index cards.
Speaker 2: Of course, we were coming up with brilliant ideas, just
Speaker 2: the most profound ideas the word has the world has
Speaker 2: ever seen. And usually sometime they're just like a picture
Speaker 2: of like a cartoon character or there were an idea,
Speaker 2: we'd write it on an index card and we'd stick
Speaker 2: it to the wall. And we have this giant collage
Speaker 2: of like two hundred index cards on our apartment wall.
Speaker 2: With like some of the most stupid.
Speaker 5: Ideas, that's right, or just if someone said something funny,
Speaker 5: like a funny line, we would write it down. Oh
Speaker 5: my gosh, I remember that well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Living Together season nine, what's a special season?
Speaker 2: It was all right, buddy, I love you. Thank you so.
Speaker 5: As well. To hang out with us, dude, it's always
Speaker 5: the most fun.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. This is this is a treat, and
Speaker 2: you know, such fond memories, as I said, with you guys,
Speaker 2: and I just I look up to you guys so much,
Speaker 2: and I'm so grateful for the way you guys treated
Speaker 2: me on the show whenever we were out there from
Speaker 2: the beginning of course, so to as a roommate and
Speaker 2: a buddy out there rock like we we had so
Speaker 2: much fun. So I adore you guys, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Feelings mutual. Dure you.
Speaker 3: Next episode, guys, season nine, I can't believe it. I
Speaker 3: see that I'm going to get a emotion. Season nine,
Speaker 3: episode three, Love the.
Speaker 5: Way You Lie. Finally a song title that I actually know.
Speaker 2: It took us nine seasons, but we got there. Who's
Speaker 2: the Who's the artist?
Speaker 5: Rihanna Oh featuring Rate Born Right, So yeah, it's a
Speaker 5: good one, all.
Speaker 2: Right, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. Steven, thanks for joining us, said,
Speaker 2: thank you, guys, Hey, thanks for listening.
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