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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome, and once again DJ has to start

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Speaker 1: the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Robes.

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Speaker 1: We do this every single time. Everybody in the room

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Speaker 1: knows our producers every single time, right before we come on.

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Speaker 1: You want to start, You want to start?

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Speaker 3: You start?

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Speaker 4: Why do you ask me? You always know the answer

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Speaker 4: is going to be the same.

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Speaker 1: No, that's going to be one day you have something

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Speaker 1: you're dying to say, and you're gonna want to start,

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Speaker 1: But today's not to day. You got anything top of

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Speaker 1: your brain, on your heart, on your mind right now.

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Speaker 1: You just want people to know. Tell him right now, Robes,

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Speaker 1: give it to him. Nothing. See that is so much pressure. No,

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Speaker 1: just say it, just say it. Speak from the heart

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Speaker 1: right now, just say it. What just say anything, say

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Speaker 1: the thing that's.

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Speaker 4: On your mind on you. You're a lot.

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Speaker 1: You bail out.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Our guests had to bail you know.

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny is that? And I cannot wait

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Speaker 2: to introduce our guests. But it is funny. The other

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Speaker 2: day we were saying, Yes, I was saying that I

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Speaker 2: can tell what mood you're in the moment you wake up,

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Speaker 2: and I know how the day is going to go.

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Speaker 2: And then I said, do I have moods, like what

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Speaker 2: are my moods? And you said, no, you have levels?

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Speaker 2: You do You're either way up here or down there.

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Speaker 2: There is no you have.

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Speaker 4: A level today?

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's ten, it's ten.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you've been extra today, extra salty.

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Speaker 1: See him.

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Speaker 4: Emma and Andy.

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Speaker 2: Laugh because they were here before our guest came in

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Speaker 2: and they heard you were a lot.

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Speaker 4: And you know what I enjoyed. I embrace it. I

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Speaker 4: love to have a lot to work with here.

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Speaker 1: So and our guest is Gavin Rosdale, of course, the

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Speaker 1: least singer of a bush bring. He had to bail

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Speaker 1: you out.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he said something better than I could have

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Speaker 4: come up with.

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Speaker 2: So I am happy to defer to the one and

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Speaker 2: only Gavin Rosta.

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Speaker 1: But you know the thing we do want to of

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Speaker 1: course you're going to be talking to the Gavin David

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Speaker 1: got a new tour that's coming up. Were talking about

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Speaker 1: parenting and relationships and Instagram and Instagram Official and all

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Speaker 1: kinds of stuff to get into. We did a lot

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Speaker 1: of things in common and just letting you know. But

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Speaker 1: you remember Justice, you talked to him the other night.

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Speaker 1: You know exactly who I'm talking about, Justice Jones and

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Speaker 1: We didn't plan on doing this, and I didn't plan

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Speaker 1: on doing this before we started. But Justice Jones is

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Speaker 1: somebody I wish a lot of people would get to know.

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Speaker 1: He was at an event we did the other night,

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Speaker 1: and you you remember what you called him? It was

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Speaker 1: it was the most apt description of this brother that

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Speaker 1: I've ever heard. You called him a black angel. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you said in talking to him, he had an aura

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Speaker 1: about him, and he is a black angel. And what

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Speaker 1: I'm who we're talking about here is Justice Jones, who

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Speaker 1: somebody I did a special with a television special about

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Speaker 1: talking about black men. But he is a member of

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Speaker 1: the LGBTQ plus community. But he came to an event

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Speaker 1: of ours, and I don't know rov is the best

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Speaker 1: way to describe what this event event was, and it

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Speaker 1: meant to us we'd been talking talking about a little

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Speaker 1: bit here, but it was our first time in about

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Speaker 1: in front of a live audience and fielding questions right.

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Speaker 2: And obviously we all anyone who's been listening with us

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Speaker 2: knows that we were in hiding for a year and

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Speaker 2: a half and speaking in front of a live audience

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Speaker 2: was nothing new. This is something we'd spent nearly three

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Speaker 2: decades doing and something honestly, we could wake up and

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Speaker 2: when you take a year and a half off of

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Speaker 2: this and you're actually in hiding to then re emerge

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Speaker 2: and have two hundred people in front of you. Some

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Speaker 2: of them were friends and family, which was great but

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Speaker 2: And we were putting ourselves out there where they could

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Speaker 2: ask us anything, and we got I don't even think

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Speaker 2: we were prepared to be as nervous as we were

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Speaker 2: and then as emotional as we got when we were talking,

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Speaker 2: because it was a moment for us, a re emergence

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Speaker 2: and a reunion for a lot of us.

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Speaker 4: But when we told our story.

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Speaker 2: And we do, we had some themes, and among the

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Speaker 2: themes was shame. And we talked about going for it,

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Speaker 2: but the shame part of it was something that we

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Speaker 4: A lot of people. But it did. It did.

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Speaker 2: And when Justice stood up during the Q and A portion,

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Speaker 2: and we didn't know he was in the audience, so

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Speaker 2: you didn't even know he was sitting back.

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Speaker 3: No idea.

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Speaker 1: It was there. And again, Justice Jones is someone who

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Speaker 1: was I did a special having had a panel discussion

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Speaker 1: was up there as a member of the LGBTQ plus community.

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Speaker 1: He happened to be at this event the other night,

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Speaker 1: and he stood up and as much as you and

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Speaker 1: I have talked, as much as you and I have

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Speaker 1: going around and around and thoughts about everything that we

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Speaker 1: went through the past year and have he made a

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Speaker 1: point to us that we hadn't even thought about.

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Speaker 4: It's true.

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Speaker 2: He is a black queer man from Omaha, Nebraska, And

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Speaker 2: so he stood up and said, have you ever hearing

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Speaker 2: your story? Have you all heard from your QUI friends,

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Speaker 2: anyone who was in a position where their love, their

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Speaker 2: relationship was considered immoral and there was shame that went

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Speaker 2: he said, I guarantee you there are queer people in

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Speaker 2: this audience and people in your lives, and people out

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Speaker 2: there who are listening to you, who are feeling you,

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Speaker 2: who will feel connected to you, who your story is

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Speaker 2: resonating with And had he asked, had we ever thought

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Speaker 2: about that or considered that and no, but it was

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Speaker 2: such a light bulb went off because this isn't something

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Speaker 2: unique to us, and it's something that so many people

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Speaker 2: have lived through and are living through right now, and

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Speaker 2: we just didn't realize that something that we were talking

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Speaker 1: So I want to say thank you to Justice, and

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Speaker 1: we want to say thank you to a lot of

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Speaker 1: people in our audience, certainly friends and family who are

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Speaker 1: and it was an important part of our journey to

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Speaker 1: We do hope to possibly, we hope to share that

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Speaker 1: from that event, so we do hope to share that

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Speaker 1: say thank you to a lot of people, including Soho

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Speaker 1: House for having us and the people who were in

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Speaker 3: That was a really big night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really cool to get something back from

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Speaker 2: the audience to learn something from them as we were

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Speaker 2: sharing our story. So we hope that that continues and

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Speaker 2: we get to do more of that in the future.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and we were talking, we were talking music earlier.

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Speaker 1: There's a thing folks that anytime coming to robots Place,

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Speaker 1: I will send a text as I'm getting through the park,

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Speaker 1: as I'm coming in the building. Then the last one

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Speaker 1: off on her floor and I hear music playing, And

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Speaker 1: oftentimes it's not music. I'm that keen on. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We like the same music. But when we start to

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Speaker 1: split a little bit into our specific lanes, you like

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Speaker 1: still some of that music that goes more into my lane.

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Speaker 1: I am not as wild about some of the music

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Speaker 1: going into your.

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Speaker 4: Very kind way to put it, well, the yacht.

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Speaker 1: Rock and some of that stuff is not my lane.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I honestly like pretty much all genres of

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Speaker 2: music except for eightm Okay, that's fair, But I like

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Speaker 2: it all, Okay, and so, and it's amazing to me.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't like it. So when I hear

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Speaker 2: it down, sometimes not in time.

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Speaker 1: Down and she does not get there in time, guys,

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Speaker 1: she doesn't. But we so it had us thinking. We

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Speaker 1: were talking the back in the day, and you talk

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Speaker 1: about your college days, and we were talking about and

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Speaker 1: as we were researching and getting ready to have Gavin

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely Bush Gavin was my was my college days

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent grunge. I mean I was explaining to

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Speaker 2: I wore my dad's jeans from the seventies, had a

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Speaker 2: flannel shirt on, had a smoky eye, a messy hair.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like black eyeliner, like you just you

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Speaker 4: kind of like grunge in it up. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I got so excited replaying all of the music

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Speaker 2: that I love. And we had a long discussion about

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Speaker 2: the song Glycerine here before Gavin came in.

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Speaker 1: But yes, that discussion went a direction. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: it was gonna go Gavin.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it involves depositories, but we I did. I did

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Speaker 2: read up about some of the background. Usually it's it's

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Speaker 2: relationships that fuel a lot of lyrics. But apparently you

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Speaker 2: had some other influences with with some of your lyrics,

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Speaker 2: right with glycerine, was.

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Speaker 3: There some weird suppository late and inspiration for glycerin? No

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Speaker 3: h makes you? People thought it was so open, different

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Speaker 3: things over the years. Anyway, what an intro I was

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Speaker 3: gonna say, You know, shame is a bit like the

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Speaker 3: flavor profile of bitter. You know, people underestimate it and

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Speaker 3: what you know as a lyricist and someone who's lived

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Speaker 3: in the world and gone through plenty of stuff, obviously

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Speaker 3: it's wild because the further you go into side yourself

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Speaker 3: and the more honest you become. So by going up

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Speaker 3: on stage and putting yourselves out there and sort of

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Speaker 3: leaving yourself open to really quite vulnerable, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: something so brave and so human about that. And when

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Speaker 3: you go inside yourself and you find language and discussing

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Speaker 3: things or landscapes that are quite difficult and maybe have

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Speaker 3: shame within them, I think the most powerful thing about

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Speaker 3: it from my perspective hearing that, the first thing I

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Speaker 3: thought was, like, the reason it resonates is because everybody

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Speaker 3: feels that, and the that it's so powerful is because

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Speaker 3: it's such a human condition, and it's a condition that's

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Speaker 3: not investigated enough, much like the taste of bit that's

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Speaker 3: a very useful chickory in a dish is a useful thing,

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Speaker 3: you know. So it's a beautiful thing. You must have done,

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Speaker 3: so well done.

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Speaker 1: No, there were so many things we plan to talk

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Speaker 1: But you have actually said a few things that just

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Speaker 3: can like run off and do things. Because when they

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00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,479
Speaker 3: come home and I haven't seen for a week, I'm

439
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,239
Speaker 3: at the door like, yeah, they come and they give

440
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 3: me a big hugg and then they will just be

441
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 3: like rats and shift they go, they go away, and

442
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, Seron's back. Is anybody hungry? I'm standing

443
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 3: at bottom of the stairs. Everyone's talking to me around

444
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: corners of their rooms and so but that giving and

445
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 3: that presence, like I don't really work. I work much

446
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 3: harder when they're not with me, and I work in

447
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 3: the days when they're at school, so I try and

448
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: get stuff done. So when they're around, I really am around.

449
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: And I'm really like, does anybody want to throw a ball?

450
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 3: Because we have a deal if they haven't got homework,

451
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 3: if they've ever wanted to throw out their lives, do anything.

452
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 3: I'm an art jock, right, So you guys love running.

453
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: I love running as well, but I like doing it

454
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 3: following a ball because I'm a dog. So it's like

455
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 3: I'm happy like Rover when you throw me a ball,

456
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 3: and I just like to be around, you know, so

457
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 3: that we have a deal that I will do any

458
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 3: any physical ball throwing, anything they want, working out, anything,

459
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 3: I'll do unless there's a you know, they're meant to

460
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: go to school or something. So there's always like I'm

461
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: always waiting to be you know. But now they've really

462
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: got into music. So we we spoke about that a

463
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: bit earlier before came on air. I didn't it wasn't

464
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 3: my idea. I have lots of guitars over so they've

465
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 3: now the ten year old's been taking piano lessons like

466
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: two months. He's really good, Like he plays the little

467
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 3: Mozart pieces. He knows about four things and he plays

468
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: them really well. And so now what happens. I'm sitting

469
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 3: in my studio and they come home from school and

470
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: I'm literally playing in my studio but think something out

471
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: and the little one comes in. He starts playing piano.

472
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I put the guitar down. He's playing.

473
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: He plays for a bit and he's like, okay, I'm

474
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 3: gonna go and get something to eat. I said, okay,

475
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 3: So I go back to the other one comes in

476
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 3: deck and I just bought that guitar leader and gets

477
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: a slide out, someone trying to slide out. So I'm

478
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 3: just like, I'm gonna go downstairs and make dinner, Okay. Presence.

479
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 3: Presence is the key, you know. I would think it

480
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: seems to work for me because they just feel so solid,

481
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: you know. They just like my ten year old still

482
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 3: he still lives with me. We still share the bedroom.

483
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: You know.

484
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: Well some people say they shouldn't do that, but up

485
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: until the about eleven or twelve, they've always like everyone's

486
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: just like it just hangs out. It feels more like

487
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: wolf like, it feels like a pack and so I

488
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 3: love that. It's great.

489
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 2: I TJ was laughing too, because he knows I have

490
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: my seventeen year old still living with me, and so yes,

491
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: it's like I have to like go to her room. She'll,

492
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: you know, peek her head out. I'm like begging her

493
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: to spend time with me. You know.

494
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 4: It's just it's very funny, but they want to know

495
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 4: you're there. That is true. I love that. So what

496
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 4: do you do when you go back out on tour

497
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 4: like you do?

498
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: Like, how do you have to adjust your life and

499
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: how do you kind of take on such a project

500
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: like that? How many you're gonna be gone for three months.

501
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's through the summer. So they'll come out

502
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: and see me a week into it when I go

503
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 3: to up being Salt Lake. So they fly two hours

504
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: to Utah and they come for two weeks on the bus.

505
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 3: And so they love that and they live that life.

506
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 3: They eat cheeseburgers. It's all room service and messing around

507
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: and watching some of the shows and helping. So it

508
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: is really hard, but you know it's really simple. I

509
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: say to them, you know, when you stop liking sushi,

510
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: I can don't have to go on tour so much.

511
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, You figure it out. You

512
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: figure it out. There is a balance, you know. You

513
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: guys got to figure this out. I go on tour.

514
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: So we have this beautiful life. And as a father,

515
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: same as a mother, we have to show them their

516
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: values and working hard. I mean, I'm proud. My dad

517
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: was a real workaholic. He worked real hard, and I

518
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: was always like just amazed by him, just as his

519
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: like dedication. And I used to funny, we used to

520
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: live in a little house and I'd be like, Dad,

521
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: do you ever think about this wall. There's like a

522
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 3: small wall of about outside his front door. So those

523
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: little kind of townhousy things like things in England. But

524
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: it isn't amazing. This is your this is your war.

525
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: Isn't that exciting? Sounds so exciting, that's your These are

526
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: your bricks and so now I kind of have that

527
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: with a house I live in. You know, I know

528
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: that it's like it's all music. I look around and

529
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: it's music. This music that gets me everything I got.

530
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 3: So they it's important they understand that that we have

531
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 3: this ridiculous life and it's got to come from somewhere.

532
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: Oh dad, why are you going on tour again? What

533
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: are you talking about? What do you? What do you?

534
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 3: What do you? There are reasons you got to figure

535
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: it out. That's all right, and I love it, you

536
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: know it's it's also you can't get lost in having kids.

537
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: I think it's good too. Some people have vocation that

538
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: is to have kids and you know, wonderful. Predominantly mothers

539
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: are a bit like that. I think. You know, some

540
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: mothers are so maternal. The other mothers are worker, you know,

541
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: work people who had kids. It's a big, big difference.

542
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: Don't want to stay at home, set everything up so

543
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 3: that the it's not that the kids aren't looked after,

544
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 3: but they're not with a mum. So it's like you,

545
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: I didn't you know, I'm a dude, so of course

546
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: I just was like, yeah, but of course we can

547
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: have kids. I can't wait either. Yeah, fantastic. I was

548
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: just agreeing. The only answer I was agreed was agreeing,

549
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 3: because it's like natural process of life and they're the

550
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 3: greatest things ever. But it's good for them to know

551
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: that that there is sacrifice and you've got to put

552
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: that that time in and it's just not easy, you know.

553
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 3: And so when I'm on tour, it's difficult. I spend

554
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: the days sometimes specifically like secondary tertiary markets because I'm

555
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: a bit bougie. So when I'm in New York, I

556
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: can be like, oh god, I'm going to go to

557
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: you know, Chipriani or something like that for lunch. But

558
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: you know, when you're in like you know, Fremont, Ohio,

559
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 3: You're like, I really miss my kids. It's really bad

560
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 3: North Dakota walking around looking looking for an eyehop.

561
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 4: I was like looking for a cracker barrel.

562
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

563
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: Applebee's is a step up. Thank god, they're blooming onion.

564
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

565
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: So but then then I go then a night. Then

566
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: I go on stage and there's a roar of the crowd.

567
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: I'm this is what I love. You know, I love

568
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: my life. And at four am I got to bed

569
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: and I wake up at eleven, I go, oh my god,

570
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 3: my life. Where's my kids?

571
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: Like?

572
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: Cool? The kids? Where are you? What are you doing?

573
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: They're like, Dad, I'm in math class. Leave me alone.

574
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: But in your private moments, how do you balance that that?

575
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: You know that they have a life that most kids

576
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: in this country cannot even imagine. Right, But then you

577
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: lost so much, right, so many of those kids that

578
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: don't have what your kids have, well, their parents were

579
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: at that game, their parents were at this event. Their

580
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: parents were like, how in your private moments on your

581
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: own looking at them, and how do you reconcile.

582
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: I go to a lot of events where there's the

583
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: you know, the the other team, so to speak, and

584
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: I just know that I just feel really proud of

585
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: myself in my consistency as a father. I know in

586
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: my heart that's awesome that I'm super consistent. You know. Yeah,

587
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: of course, like everyone, I'm flawed as hell, and things

588
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: didn't go as perfect as I would have liked. But

589
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: I know that, you know, some people will be a

590
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: parent who will live and regret and consider that actually

591
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: they could have done a way better job. Like I, Yeah,

592
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: on my touring levels, it doesn't look good on paper

593
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: when I've been away for months at a time. It's

594
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: worst when I go to Europe because then you are gone,

595
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 3: they can't see you. So six weeks is like the

596
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: longest ever. And there's a terrible feeling of that. But

597
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: I know that, you know, there's an intrinsic bond that's

598
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: so strong and so present that I have a lot

599
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: of pride with that. Like I'm not it's unwavering, there's

600
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: nothing that can I'm not vulnerable with. You didn't spend

601
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: any time with your kids, or you'd shows like I've

602
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: never I've never been on a vacation without my kids

603
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: seventeen years. I've never had a vacation about now. I

604
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: forgot divorced. I should have had lots of vacations with

605
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: lots of new friends, and I didn't because I wouldn't

606
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: do that, you know, as I felt really weird about that.

607
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: So everything's about them for me, you know, And so

608
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: I know that and they feel.

609
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: That that's beautifully said, and you're sitting in front of

610
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: two people who deal with that, and again I'm asking

611
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: so many questions, like I should be paying you, like.

612
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 4: We're actually getting advice from you.

613
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are, We dealt We deal with that a lot.

614
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: For people who've had the careers we've had, the guilt

615
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: is often there for being gone.

616
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: Yep.

617
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and then also to have it all be in

618
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: the public eye. So everything you do, everything you don't do,

619
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: everything you say gets picked up. I mean I was looking,

620
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: Uh it was it was everywhere. A year ago, you

621
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: just talked about what it's like to co parent or

622
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: to not co parent with your ex. We obviously are

623
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: living in all of these same worlds as you. However,

624
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: when you say something, it then gets picked up by.

625
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: Everyone which done co parent whatsoever.

626
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you said you don't co parent? You said parent?

627
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: Right?

628
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 4: Were you? Are you surprised?

629
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: And how do your kids handle when you just say

630
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: something and you're being honest and and it's something that's

631
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: so many of us can relate to.

632
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: The My situation particularly was it's mindful of I think

633
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: in a very contentious, hugely emotional, flared up situation with

634
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: a very difficult situation. You less said, sooner's mended, and

635
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: I said nothing. I just it's not it's not my

636
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: place to say anything because I also can't. I'm handcuffed

637
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: because I would never want to overly say anything negative

638
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: about their mom or stuff like that. It's not right.

639
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: So I just don't. I just had to kind of

640
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: just take it and just be present for my kids

641
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: and just like be English and just like hold your

642
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: head up and just keep walking and just try and

643
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: be just just has it gone away yet? Not yet yet?

644
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? It takes so long for it to go away, right,

645
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: that's still so shocking.

646
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: Why doesn't it just go away quicker?

647
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: And it seemed a very yeah. Yeah, So I think

648
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: like everything just everything balances out and people make their

649
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 3: you know, I was obviously think coming on here, and

650
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: all I could think of was the the kind of

651
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: the narrative drone. I wanted to write a song so

652
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: bad called narrative Drones because I think it's so interesting

653
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: that people are much more interested in the in the

654
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 3: narrative than the truth, and the truth has no doesn't

655
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: it's not interesting or fun or any of that. So

656
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: the narrative was that narrative drones.

657
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: Where are you on that song.

658
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: Right now?

659
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: It's really upbeat and it's not eight m okay two qualities.

660
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: There was a lot of narratives and a lot of drones.

661
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 4: I like the idea.

662
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: Phrase that just live with me. If it's it's it's

663
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: it's percolating in my brain. So you know, it just

664
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: comes down to it. You know, it comes down to,

665
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: I think, something to do with how you want to

666
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: see yourself in five years, in your relationship with your kids,

667
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: and who do you want to be like they have No,

668
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: they're not gonna come to me and say why you

669
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: shouldn't have said this? Why you know, there's nothing it

670
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: was not get into it was not drawn into it.

671
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: So so that I could maintained a really crisp, clear

672
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: vibe with my boys and take it from there and

673
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: just you know, life is complicated and and you know,

674
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: when you've been around as long as we have it

675
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: just the complications arise. That's it. It's that simple. You know, Well,

676
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: had like a life expectancy of thirty two in medieval

677
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: times would have been like left mints, it a goodbye perfection.

678
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 4: DJ likes to.

679
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: Tell people when he's talking, he's like if anyone here

680
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: is over the age of thirty five, you'll know exactly

681
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: what I mean, because it kind of takes you to

682
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: get to that place in your life where you realize, Wow,

683
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't be so righteous, Maybe I shouldn't be

684
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: judging people, because actually, you don't know what you would

685
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: do given the circumstances other people are in until you

686
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: find yourself in it.

687
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, where do you What is it like being a

688
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: rock star in his twenties versus a rock star in

689
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: his fifties, Like it.

690
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: Was so exciting to begin with. It still is super exciting,

691
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: I don't get me wrong. The weirdest thing was I

692
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: took a long time to get going, will long time

693
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: to find success, and so people would say, like, how's

694
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 3: it feel? And it really felt like finally I could

695
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: be myself, Like I knew that I was meant to.

696
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 3: I had some not up in the upper echlongs maybe,

697
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: but like I knew that I deserved somewhere in the

698
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: landscape of music. It's like I have something to contribute.

699
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: And so that just felt like, oh, funny, this is great,

700
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: this how it should have been. It's just exciting and

701
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: and now I don't it feels weird saying that even

702
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: though I'm trying to try. I'm trying to work on

703
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: a I've got a TV show that I'm working on,

704
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: and the backers wanted to use the name rock star

705
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: in it. I was like, oh no, no, wait, wait

706
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: wait wait WHOA. I'm English, we can't I can't say

707
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: use the word rock star. You can say rock star

708
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: about me, but I can't say that. That's just in England.

709
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: This is not It's just too much. Really, why is

710
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: that just because we're like weird like that, which is

711
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: not allowed to say. You can't say anything. You get

712
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: stepped on if you move out of line. You're too loud, obnoxious,

713
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: too confident.

714
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: There's no such thing as a humble brag.

715
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: No, it's just anyway. So actually, but like I turned

716
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: into Kitchen Rockstar Kitchen Chronicles because I was trying to

717
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: dilute they use the word rockstar. But so I think

718
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: I myself as a working musician more than I you know,

719
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: I think that's so it's beautiful. I think of Van Morrison.

720
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: Do you know someone who has made records forever and

721
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,479
Speaker 3: he does his thing in his own, his own vibe,

722
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: and he's just an example. I don't know why, but

723
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: he's an example. So he's like a is he a

724
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: rock star? Is a working musician? He's just like a

725
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: brilliant working musician. To me, I think maybe a rock

726
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: star feels like you know, but it's Mick Jagger. He's

727
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: probably a rock star. Right, you're a rock star.

728
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: Talk about you're a rock star.

729
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: Well, we talked about nuances of language where we're at.

730
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: But I feel really so happy to be in a

731
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: creative endeavor. I love the Japanese culture, that thing of

732
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: you you you dedicate yourself to, Like how do I'm

733
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 3: going to make the best handfuled noodles that there are?

734
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: You know someone does that and you're like wow. So

735
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: I decided to take rock music for whatever reason. And

736
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: it's not the only music I like, like you, although

737
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: unlike you, I also like idim, there's there's maybe some

738
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: is a music I like, But basically it's good and

739
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: music and bad music, right, so people get it right,

740
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 3: that's it's as good or bad. I just so thrilled

741
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: to have a creative life where I do feel that

742
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm still like confused by music. I still take guitar lessons.

743
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: I still have seen lessons. At the moment, I've got

744
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: a couple of things I'm working on. So it's you know,

745
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: because you have to work at your craft. You can't

746
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: just assume that, like I do not know as much

747
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: as I need to know. You know, if I look

748
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 3: at the Beatles, or I look at Bowie or look

749
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: at Mozart, it's the same twelve notes, but look what

750
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: they did with them. So it's like, wow, there's so

751
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: much ceiling. I got a long way to go. You know,

752
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: if you think of it like that, you just could

753
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: keep going forever and you can keep getting more interesting

754
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: and finding ways to do. You know, my job is

755
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: to take chaos or pain because I like that vocation

756
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: in my life, my metier, and I like human struggle

757
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: and find a way to put it into words. So

758
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: chaos into into music. You know, it's turning chaos into music.

759
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 3: And when that's why people relate to your music, I hope.

760
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: I think, you know, someone connects to a song of

761
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: mine or a song of Amy Winehouse or Billie Eilish,

762
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: they've written, we've written. You write a word that resonate

763
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: for people and those and you don't own the song.

764
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: If I write a song and I put it out

765
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: and you guys run in your you know, in the

766
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: mornings to it. That's your song. It ceases to be

767
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: my song. It's yours you Stevie, wonder you got me.

768
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: It's like you feel that in your and you. That's

769
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: why people get so personal about music, you know. And

770
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 3: that's my favorite sort of consequence of my life that

771
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: I chose, is like figuring out how to write these

772
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: things and back to the thing of the shame, but

773
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: it's it's it's to find not just the shame. The

774
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: deep emotions are about being as personal as you can

775
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: and away from everyone as you can, because that's when

776
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: people relate to you the most, because it's the deeper

777
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: you go, that's where you get people as opposed to

778
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 3: sort of you know, around the peripheries, you know, simple staff,

779
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: basic of things that they're not going to get you

780
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: as much as someone that's just like And it doesn't

781
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 3: matter matter that whether specific words, it's just when you

782
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: write a phrase as an author, whether it's on any

783
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 3: level with the paint brush or with the words, if

784
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 3: if it comes from if the genesis of the thought

785
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 3: is like an authentic emotion, it will translate it does

786
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: like I've done it for a long time. I swear

787
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 3: it does. It's like when you just sat like the

788
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: most self revelatory, the most vulnerable, the most open, that's

789
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: when people are the most interested. Because it's unusual for

790
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: people to say that. That's why the people take those

791
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: lyrics to heart. And that's why you can never say

792
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: songs about anything, because they're about the listener. It's not

793
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: about the writer. It's about the listener is the one

794
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: who dictates what it's about.

795
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: Wow, he knows that still well, because he's a rug

796
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: star is.

797
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: Working musician, working musician.

798
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 4: It's I mean music, writing music, being a lyricist.

799
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: That sounds like that's been your therapy in life. And

800
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: you can't not be honest if you want to be

801
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: successful as you're in order to go.

802
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: It doesn't ring true. And then the thing is, if

803
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: you think about it, by not being honest, it's outside

804
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: that sort of that well of vulnerability and truth, and

805
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: so it doesn't ring right because it's not there yet.

806
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: People haven't you know. If you think of acting, you

807
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: know as acting putting on a mask or taking off

808
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: a mask, it's taking off a mask really, And the

809
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: same with writing. Same with authors, the same with painters,

810
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: the same with photographers. Is when they get the essence

811
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: of something that you you go wow and you just

812
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: feel it. So photographer, for example, can find it a

813
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: compelling image that works for him, and everything is light form,

814
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: everything is working. But then when you see it, it

815
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: evokes something different for you, and that's even more valid

816
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 3: than the artist.

817
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: Really, how would you describe where you are in your

818
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: life right now?

819
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 4: Are you happy? Are you joyful? Are you struggling?

820
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 2: Like? How would you describe where you are right now

821
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: in your life?

822
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: Actively working on appreciating how happy I should be?

823
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: I need a second with that, okay, actively.

824
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 3: Actively working on how happy I should be? And meaning

825
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: that there's that we have such great ways of sabotaging

826
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: our headspaces. We're really good at it. There's no one like.

827
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: I even been to shrinks where they tell me that

828
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 3: I have a punitive super ego? Is my psycho? Find

829
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: them title? Get ready, folks, We're going down deep. We're

830
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: going down, going down right into my lungs.

831
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: Are you still with this therapist?

832
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: No? No, no, okay, I said to her, I'd need a

833
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: break because I was just I was droning myself out

834
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 3: of like I was just I was just doing myself

835
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: in and I was getting to the point where I

836
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: spent two hours. I had two hour sessions with this

837
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: woman for a while, and I spent an hour forty

838
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: telling her why I didn't need therapy every time every

839
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 3: week killed a poor thing.

840
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: Okay, so where's okay? What's your opinion about it now?

841
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: You you still okay?

842
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: No, my opinion about it now is that it's a constant.

843
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 3: It's a constant, not a struggle, because that gives to

844
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: it not right word. It's a It's an act. I

845
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 3: actively make sure that I separate things correctly. So what

846
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: I mean by that is if you let anxiety or

847
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 3: fear or things that worry the most in the middle

848
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: of the night, if you let them dictate throughout your day,

849
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: you get the it just gets worse and worse worse.

850
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: And so we all have different anxieties. Now you're talking

851
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: about public speaking, you know, you could have an anxiety

852
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: that if I'm gonna get up here, I'm just gonna

853
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: have Tourett's and I'm gonna lose my mind. I'm gonna

854
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: feet my point. I'm not gonna be as funny as

855
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: I was last night when I practiced my speech. And

856
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: you can be filled with all the whole world of doubt.

857
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: But when you're getting get up there, generally speaking, because

858
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: you're a professional and you're really good at your job,

859
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: you're going to be fine. But as an example, if

860
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: you were to let that anxiety run so heavily that

861
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: it really did actually impact your performance, then that's when

862
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: you haven't found that balance. And that balance is that

863
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: that's the thing of of just maturity, self reckoning, self awareness,

864
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: and just to just digging deep and being honest with

865
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: your self about things. And so I'm I'm feeling really

866
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: I feel great because my kids are doing great and

867
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 3: and I'm in I'm in a in a really good space.

868
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: And but sometimes I would tell myself the space is

869
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 3: better than I was realizing, because there are times when

870
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: I get a bit down on myself about things because

871
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: I have a punitive super ego, so I'm always punishing

872
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: myself best first.

873
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: When are those times? How often does that happen?

874
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: Well a lot. So I have to just I have

875
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 3: to just my my favorite thing is, uh, this is wonderful, Maharaj,

876
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 3: this great, And I just put it in a song

877
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: as I you know, I'm I'm a magpie. You know,

878
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: I'll read something and it goes into a song because

879
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 3: it's I think it's worth sharing, and it's I love

880
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: this Maharaj idea. You know, I'm not my mind. My

881
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 3: problem is the problem is my mind. But I am

882
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: not my mind. And so you just it's this this

883
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: thing of separation. Goo is a guru is so it's

884
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: it's like you separate yourself. I'm not my mind. That's

885
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 3: my mind's problem. Why am I deciding to sit with

886
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: my mind and tell them, you know, just because my

887
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: mind is all worried about it. Let it be worried

888
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: over there. I'm busy going over here. And it's so

889
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: it's really really essential. And the other most powerful superpower

890
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: that I have that I happen to share with you

891
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 3: is just to not take things personally. If you cannot

892
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: take things personally, I mean, for instance, with any kind

893
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 3: of it's so difficult for all of us, for both

894
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 3: of our entities. You know so much publicly, and you

895
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 3: take everything personally, like everything you like walking around like

896
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 3: I have no skin left, where's my skin? I have

897
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: no skin? And the truth is that if you don't

898
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: think take things personally, and you just see you know,

899
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: it's a juicy thing if things happen like that, I

900
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: was juicy. You were juicy as juicy fodder that people

901
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 3: chew it up. And then while we're still like floundering going,

902
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 3: you know, it helped me. I'm bleeding. They're off worried

903
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: about something else. They give you four minutes of their

904
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: time that they don't remember it's over, and so the

905
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: crux of it is not taking stuff personally. It's just

906
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: it's amazing you can float through life because worried about

907
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 3: other people just drags you down.

908
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 4: You know, I love it. I love It's so great.

909
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: No, but we've been we're laughing because we've been going

910
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: to like I'm going to observe why I'm reacting that way.

911
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: But I am not my I am not my mind.

912
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: We've said the same thing, and I love totally right,

913
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: oh totally, so we we You were speaking to us

914
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: everything we've been living through, and I love the whole

915
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: let them theory, like let them you know, I can't

916
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: control them, I can't decide or tell them what to do.

917
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: And when you just have that let them theory, it's

918
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: it's been really peaceful and great. I was reading up

919
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: on you. You've you've been single. I even read you

920
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: were on dating apps for a while, but now you

921
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: actually a few weeks ago made something private Instagram official.

922
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah I see. Well,

923
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I got called out at one

924
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: point for being on right. It's like, that's the whole

925
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: idea is meant to be private. Why do I get

926
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: called out? I've seen loads of famous people on there.

927
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 3: I never would say anything. It's so brilliant. I was like, great,

928
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: it's just literally can't get away there.

929
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: And it's a dating app for celebrities, right, for people

930
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: who are yeah yeah and.

931
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: You see yeah, and you do see a lot of

932
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, whoa much in the way that you know,

933
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 3: I'm sure if bipops out there, people like whoa this dude?

934
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean that's just the way it was.

935
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, I got to check

936
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 3: that one out, and it was it was really fun

937
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: to check out. It didn't I did. I had made

938
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: a couple of really nice friends off of there. But

939
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: outside of that, it's more sort of it's aspirational. You

940
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 3: sort of starting morning going, oh this would be great.

941
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 3: I used to do it with Vogue magazine. My best

942
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 3: friend of me. We used to play a game where

943
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 3: we drop open Vogue magazine and wherever it opened, that

944
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 3: would be be like, sorry, I'd be late for dinner.

945
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 3: I won't be home. There's some beautiful girl.

946
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: You know.

947
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: We'd be like so stupid, like eighteen years old, unable

948
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: to meet anyone that just like we would be like

949
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: make jokes about that. So it's a little bit of that.

950
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: So but yes, so.

951
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: So you're off the market now though.

952
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I have a girlfriend right now. Congratulations, it's

953
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: really it's it's fun.

954
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: She's with me in New York and you didn't want

955
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: to bring her into that. Where is she?

956
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 3: She's with her, She having lunch with her some friends.

957
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 3: She calls her gay bestie, Like I'm worried him because

958
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 3: we were not gay. It's real good. I'm not that insecure.

959
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: I'm insecure about loads of things. But it's okay, it's okay.

960
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: Well you know what I mean. It's like, it's a

961
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: beautiful world. If that was the case, then go have

962
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 3: at it. Like people should be free. You know, I

963
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 3: ain't got time for anyone. Isn't free? You know, so

964
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: going a few months, I'm going to get in trouble

965
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 3: for not exact, but a good few months. And I was, yeah,

966
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: it was an issue, not an issue, but definitely it

967
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: was like.

968
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: He's being very careful, right, yes, absolutely.

969
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm trying to choose my worst carefully. Which was

970
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: it was suggested that we that it was you know,

971
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: because I'm a scorpio, I'm really private, so I like

972
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: a private life. I was like, look, this is so

973
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: nice to have something private. It's not private. No, no,

974
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: it's not private. Okay, it's not private. So I was

975
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: okay with that, and I understand because it does. It

976
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 3: can come across if you say that too often, it

977
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 3: can come across like you're being a bit I just

978
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 3: see it from her point of view.

979
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: Yes, like maybe maybe it's okay that I'm out in

980
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: the open and we're out in the open and people

981
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: know we're together. Yeah, it really does kind of put

982
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: that official stamp on it.

983
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just it's it's it was.

984
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 3: It's been really cute to let people know that, and

985
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: just she's very sweet and very supportive. So it's been

986
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: really good and it's I guess that's the my new

987
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: my new status. You know, what are you going to do?

988
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 3: I'm not on those sites, not that side.

989
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: Wait, but did you all meet on the app?

990
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: Okay? I met through I met through her brother in law.

991
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: She's a musician, so I heard a track, so I

992
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: did do the kind of oh well, the kind of

993
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 3: DM slide. I really like the music. I do like

994
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: the music. M slide, Wow, I love it sliding. I

995
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: came in like a Kobe Slider.

996
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 4: How quickly did she respond?

997
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: Excuse me?

998
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: How quickly did she respond to your DM?

999
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 3: Oh? She Oh, she's super cool. She grew up in

1000
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: the Bronx, so she's like it took a minute, you

1001
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean. There's like it wasn't a meeting.

1002
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 3: It was like she left it like left me like okay,

1003
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's cool. It's kind of sweet because I

1004
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: had I didn't know if she had a boyfriend. I

1005
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 3: was texting her about music and this and that and

1006
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: just leaving it of that and then I wasn't looking

1007
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: to get a girlfriend at that point. But she was

1008
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 3: very pretty, so I was like, I was like so

1009
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: many way your music and stuff like that, but I

1010
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 3: didn't Then she went away. Somewhere and then we so

1011
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 3: it was it was it was sort of platonic for

1012
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 3: a bit. We had a couple of dates before it

1013
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 3: was like looked like it was going to be anything

1014
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 3: like that personal. So yeah, it's been. It's been organic

1015
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: and nice and it's fun. You know.

1016
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone deserves to be happy. You know, I really

1017
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 4: believe that.

1018
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's it's it's that in a funny way,

1019
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: it plays into it. I'm relaxing into it because I

1020
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 3: didn't know that I could. I could do it all,

1021
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: be the single dad who's like when they come around,

1022
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: I'm heroically present for them. It makes it difficult. I'm

1023
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 3: not available for a week, you know, Hi am around

1024
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: for a week. I'm gone for a week, and we're

1025
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 3: way around for a week. It's it's quite difficult. And

1026
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: so just blending that and just being cool with that

1027
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: and not not forcing that, you know, getting she has

1028
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: met my children.

1029
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know, I mean, like we know, we

1030
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: get it. It's a dance and you want to you

1031
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: got to put the kids first and you and you

1032
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: and it's not something that happens overnight, and it's not

1033
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: something that is an immediate acceptance, and you have to

1034
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: respect where they are.

1035
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: There was a funny moment. I remember the story. So

1036
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 3: when I first was going the DMS and I made

1037
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 3: one comment. I made one comment about a she looked

1038
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: a certain way something she put on that it was

1039
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: like wow, you know, I was like, oh my god,

1040
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: that's so amazing. And I think she sent some kind

1041
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 3: of like millennium emoji, like a sort of a like that.

1042
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god, yeah, that's it.

1043
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 3: So I I unfollowed, and then I thought I got

1044
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: it all wrong. I was like, I abandoned her. I

1045
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, she's got a boyfriend. I

1046
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: said something wrong. I was inappropriate. So I got that.

1047
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 3: I got out of Dodge and didn't connect with her

1048
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: for another two months or.

1049
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 4: Something because she sent you an emoji you didn't understand.

1050
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I just thought I thought I crossed the

1051
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: line and it wasn't my way. I entered the room

1052
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: I wasn't invited in, you know. I turned it from

1053
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 3: music into sort of something that she looked really great,

1054
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: and it was this sort of thing like SOT. It's like,

1055
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, she's from the Bronx. She's going to

1056
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: kill me. I was out of there.

1057
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: I was out, Well, congrats there we had. Can't let

1058
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: you get out of here. For the fans, folks have

1059
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: been following you for decades at this point, you are

1060
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: we talked about therapy and you can go and who

1061
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: you're talking to, your therapists, who did this and that?

1062
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: But how much is the music, reconnecting with the band

1063
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: and getting out there, back out there to perform again.

1064
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: How much of that is a part of your joy

1065
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: and your peace and your therapy these days?

1066
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 3: Massive? Massive, because you know, like in a way, being

1067
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 3: in a long career is a bit like I liken

1068
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: it to being on a carousel, Like you always have

1069
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 3: to be good, you always have to make records that

1070
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: are cool. But sometimes it's just not your time, and

1071
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: sometimes it just the way things go. It just does.

1072
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: Things don't line up because people underestimate that when you

1073
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 3: are success. For when I've had loads of success, the

1074
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 3: planners have to align, that the team around you has

1075
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: to align. There's so many things that factor into being successful.

1076
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: So inevitably there's sometimes where there are leaner times. And

1077
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 3: what's cool about us is that it's so funny because

1078
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,479
Speaker 3: I was laughing after I got Saince. We divorced. After

1079
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: my divorce, so I wrote this song album called Black

1080
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 3: and White Rainbows, and it was a really bruised record.

1081
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 3: I was, you know it'd come out. It was a

1082
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 3: very It was not a good time for me, and

1083
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: I was there was someone that I was I was

1084
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 3: just laughing at It's such a brilliant line. There was

1085
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 3: someone I was close to at the time, and I'm

1086
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 3: really proud of that record. I think there's a really

1087
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 3: cool few songs on there. But it was probably a

1088
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 3: bit uneven. I was really not in a good space.

1089
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: It was right after that everything gone on, and she

1090
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 3: was off happily with someone, and I was not feeling good.

1091
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 3: And so I said to this person I was with,

1092
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: I said, I think I don't know I was being dramatic.

1093
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 3: I have a ten seed to be dramatic. Sometimes my

1094
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: girlfriend does say it to me. No, I said, I said,

1095
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: you know what, I don't even know. I'm going to

1096
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 3: do another Bush record again, because you know, I don't

1097
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 3: know if I can take you. And she goes, oh

1098
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 3: my god, you can't. Let that won't be the last

1099
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: one you do. I was like, oh my god, you

1100
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 3: can't say that.

1101
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: Whoa.

1102
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 3: So I was like, I'm going to make these records.

1103
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: So I've continued to make records that inspire me and

1104
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 3: it's been so fun. And you know, my favorite conundrum

1105
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: is we've had number one records recently all over the radio,

1106
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: the last three records, number one records and neverthe like that,

1107
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: which is really ridiculous because number one is in every

1108
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 3: decade for three decades. So we get young people at

1109
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 3: the audience, the audience who only know those songs, so

1110
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: they go, this band is cool, they've got a new single.

1111
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: There's some new band wherever that and then you go,

1112
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 3: here's loaded's thirty years of hits if you want to

1113
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 3: hear you know, Sorry, I could be a dad. Your dad.

1114
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 3: That's a joke. That's a joke. That's a joke. That's

1115
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 3: a joke. I'm English, I'm English, joke. Bobby my publicist niece.

1116
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: There's a defibrillator. They're not anyhow, But yeah, where was I?

1117
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, just putting out this kind of music for

1118
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: a whole new uh just generation of people and for

1119
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 2: those of us who knew you thirty years ago, were

1120
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: so excited about getting to listen to all of our favorites.

1121
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: I mean Grammy nominated, multi platinum band. I mean, just

1122
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: the fact that you guys are still together is incredible.

1123
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: Does grunt You're still friends?

1124
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 2: Right? And you're still friends, You're still playing music, you're

1125
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: still selling out stadiums.

1126
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 4: Does grunge exist anymore?

1127
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: Is that sure?

1128
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: Did?

1129
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: I'm not sure? Did? I mean? I think that it

1130
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 3: was this thing of from moment. I think it's things

1131
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 3: for a moment and it just was of a time.

1132
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: And it's one of those words that just of you say,

1133
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 3: it's so much system mean anything. I don't know what

1134
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 3: I just I mean, it's a funny word. It's a

1135
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: nice word. It's like more fashion oriented that I think

1136
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 3: of some bands. But you know, it's a weird. It's

1137
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: a funny word.

1138
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: It's like we are talking to the pioneer of grunge music,

1139
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: who's telling us that grunge never existed.

1140
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. There's a few before me

1141
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 3: doing the grunge thing.

1142
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: Still you were in that lane.

1143
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you're not sure?

1144
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: If I'm not sure, what I mean, I don't know

1145
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: what to do with my life.

1146
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, like now the way that that

1147
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: I approach music and you know, all my music is

1148
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 3: sort of detuned and specific approach is more in fact

1149
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 3: for it's like heavy metal music with dub bass lines

1150
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: and then me trying to sort of sing melodically on

1151
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 3: the top. It's a it's a hodgepodge of things and

1152
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: that's what makes it, you know, That's how it goes.

1153
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: All music is like weird influences coming. It's like a

1154
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 3: car crash that you hope is going to come out

1155
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: or beautiful at the end.

1156
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 4: That's amazing.

1157
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: This has been. This has been. We we anticipated that

1158
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: this was going to be a blast. We did. Man,

1159
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: we were finding of prepping all this it.

1160
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 4: Would be an amazing conversation.

1161
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: And it was. Man, we flew pleasure to have you

1162
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: here in studio. Folks. Yes, Bush, The tour kicks off

1163
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: in July. You can get your tickets are on sale now.

1164
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they've some have even sold and.

1165
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: Even so you left, you can still see them Bush

1166
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: getting back together for a summer big tour and there

1167
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: and the new single from Gavin Ry still Narrative Drones.

1168
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna be out winning wait for that.

1169
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be very a tonal so single. I

1170
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: don't anticipate a single.

1171
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a.

1172
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: Congratulations on the tour, on bringing the band back together,

1173
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: Congratulations on your personal success, being an awesome dad, finding

1174
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: love again, all of that, and and thank you for

1175
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 2: the therapy session.

1176
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 4: Just tell us how much we owe you at the end.

1177
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 4: What your hourly rate is gift.

1178
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: I was happy to see you guys, you know, I

1179
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: think that, and I think what you guys have been

1180
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 3: through and you're doing it is beautiful because I was

1181
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: very very careful to just stay the head out of

1182
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: your way and not be any of those people who

1183
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 3: would be you know, just I really learned to be like, wow,

1184
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 3: there's some people going through stuff, but the overview and

1185
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: the way you are, the chemistry and the energy of

1186
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 3: you guys is inspiring.

1187
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1188
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 3: So there you go, and that's how it goes, folks.

1189
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 4: Gavin Rosdale, everyone, thank you so much.

1190
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 3: Thank you,