WEBVTT - Destiny's Surrogate (with Joyelle Johnson) 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:05.800 I look like an Asian daby. It looks like an 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.360 Asian baby when I was born. We're all Asian babies. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:13.680 And then we we we evolved or devolved into something else. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.400 White people, you're the devolvers. Everybody else. You evolved, your 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:21.880 your charges are white people. Y'all are y'all are whatever 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:34.880 plankton is. I don't know together, white people in your veils, 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:52.120 racist money stuff. You can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep, 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.800 there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:00.560 to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.040 podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.399 black conspiracy theories and we finally work to prove that 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.000 Wendy Williams plastic surgery was not made from her own skin, 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.959 but instead from the dead cheek meat of Louis Armstrong. 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.720 That's right. That's not a BBL, Ladies and gentlemen, that 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.640 is an SBL, a sachemal butt lift. And I am 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:28.120 going to do everything I can to prove that to 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.959 be true. I did you know sometimes I come up 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.679 with these, uh, these introductions, and they are clever, and 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.959 they are with him. This one feels like a weird reach, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.759 and I'm I'm desperate, folks, I'm running out of black 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.039 people to make fun of and and accused of doing 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.760 horrible things out in the world. But you know that's 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.080 I think that's a symptom of doing this for as 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.640 long as I've done it. And and I won't apologize 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.880 to pieces of Ship. You'll get what you get, That's 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.080 what I always say. You know who won't get what 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.280 she gets? She gets better than what what she gets. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.760 I don't know what this means, but she is fantastic. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.520 It's my guest today, My god damn test today is lovely. 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.640 She's wonderful, she is hilarious, she's all the all the 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.920 affirmations that one would want to have and give to 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.040 another person. She's great and and you know her work. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.200 She has a brand new comedy special called love Joy. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.680 It's on Peacock. You need to go watch that. Ships 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.920 so funny. And she has an album out called Yell Joy, 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.480 and that's available everywhere, not just Peacock. So you know 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.320 you ain't gotta go searching as hard as you probably 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.080 do when you go looking for ship on Peacock. Anyway, 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.600 She's give it up for my guest miss Joy l 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:41.400 John Stay. Oh my goodness, I'm just so happy right now. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.520 I'm smiling cheek to cheek, like just the epitome of 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:49.760 black boy Joy. I'm loving watching you nerd out. This 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:54.160 is so fantastic. Yes, this is the work that I do. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.520 This is this is why I leave my baby uh 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:04.239 to go to your minute to go Accuse Wendy Williams 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.720 of digging up a dead man's grave so that she 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.480 could change her body. Yeah, I mean I want to 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.000 put it past her. She's a Jersey girl. We could 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:16.240 be quite ruthless at times. Hey, who cares if it's 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.720 up for grabs. But look, before we get into the 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.639 conspiracy theory, this is actually I'm truly just curious. Where 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.560 do you stand in the whole Wendy of it all? 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.640 Are you? Are you a Wendy fan? Do you do 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.720 you subscribe to to the Wendy verse? I am a 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:35.440 Wendy stand Okay. I grew up in New Jersey, and 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.440 when she was on the radio in New Jersey, she 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.360 was that chick like me, and my mother used to 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.040 listen to her in the car. My mother loved talk 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.160 radio and I would beg for her to play music 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:51.720 so our our compromise was listening to Wendy Williams. So, 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.440 I mean when the when the Windy Houston interview came out, 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.120 like all when all those things came out, we were 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.280 listening to it in the car, like what the hell 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.600 it's going on? And when she got her show, like 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.080 that's me and my mom's thing. We watch it together. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.680 Oh man. Well, we feel very differently about Manby Williams 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.360 in my household, but I respect that I'm from so 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.000 you know, and I totally get it. I mean, she 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:22.359 is absolutely ridiculous, but I loves yes, absolute monster. I 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.640 will I will claim that, and I love it. I'm 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.640 like the people who love Kanye. I get it, okay 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.039 and get it. I can see that that we we 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.880 all have a person. We dig our heels in four 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:38.440 and we're like, no, I don't, I don't care. Yeah, 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.480 we can go back on tour sure. And that's how 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.160 I feel about Join Maxwell. I love her work. No, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:50.040 I'm joking. This is the out of get Canceled podcast. 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.240 I will say that that the Windy interview that she 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:59.039 did with Judge Mathis remains one of the funniest things 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:04.840 that I I've ever seen, just him calling her a crackhead, 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.560 her admitting to be a crackhead, but then also being like, 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.320 but you're still like cheating on your wife and like 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.760 a bad guy, like you're not, dude. Yeah, That's why 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.479 I love her so much because she's was honest. Like 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.760 That's why I love George Carlin, because he's like, I 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.680 did drugs. This is who I am. That's why I 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.200 never trusted Bill Cosby because he told someone not to curse, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.520 and I was like, you're telling other people not to curse. 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.080 That was weird to me as a child. And how 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:38.120 about also don't rape? But it was a cussing that 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:43.040 got you up board though, come on, man, So I 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:47.039 love how honest she is. All right, well, I'm learning 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.719 a lot today, joe Yale. But you know what, we 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.360 we don't have time to talk Wendy all day because 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.440 you came with a conspiracy theory that's gonna get a 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.280 lot of bridges burned. It's gonna upset a lot of 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.560 folks out in the world. We've done, We've done an 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.680 episode or two about this this lady, but none is 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.400 I'm not I would argue none no topics as provocative 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.280 as the one that you've chosen today. You said, my 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:23.200 mama told me Beyonce was never pregnant. Uh. Yeah. I 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.719 mean when I saw that on the list of conspiracy theories, 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.279 it absolutely jumped out to me because I was like, oh, 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:33.880 that's something I truly believe. That's something I truly believe. 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.640 I am not so certain that she delivered Blue Ivy. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:42.880 And here's the thing about it. It's okay. It's okay 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.159 because I know a lot of women who have had miscarriages. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.719 That's what I think happened. I think she had a 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:53.400 miscarriage and then maybe had a surrogate involved and was 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.640 able to deliver the baby. Because black women, the statistics 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.559 in this country of our pregnancy terrible. Serena William's almost 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.120 died giving birth. It's like not easy for us. So 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.640 my evidence was that one interview she did where she 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.960 sat down and her summing dancing in. I said, girl, 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:16.520 that is an absolute prosthetic because the way she sat down. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.360 You know, you've you've met a pregnant woman recently, I 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.440 met one. You've met one when they are that pregnant 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.080 in the third trimester, They're not sitting down ask first 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.480 like that. Frankly, my wife did stop sitting down at 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.200 a certain point and would just sort of fall backwards 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.400 and hope that something was there to catch her, you 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.920 know what I mean. Like there wasn't a careful sitting 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.720 as much as just a desperate wanting for comfort, a 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:48.600 PLoP down. And I have a huge family. I people 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.800 call me the baby whisper. I'm amazing with baby. Well 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.120 you can have mine, keep going. I will ship the 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:59.200 baby over. And I know pregnant women and pregnant women 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.320 in the third trimester just don't go to sit down 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.360 like that. And when the stomach caved in, I was like, 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:10.040 that makes sense. And it's just a fun, delicious conspiracy theory. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.640 It's just so fun and meaty. I like a good 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.760 conspiracy theory. I hold a few. Okay, well, well first 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.560 let's just start by saying it's fun now until the 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.160 hive comes for you. But that's that's hey, enjoy yourself. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.360 You have an hour and a half freedom and then 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.160 eventually everything is gonna be canceled for you, and that's 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.840 that's where you'll be at. And I'm just gonna say 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.800 this to the hive. I love your leader, I really do. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.120 We were born the same year the same month, both virgos. 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.800 I love your leader. I think she's amazing. I think 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.080 she did give birth to the twins. I think that 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.120 she worked her as through a pregnancy and did you 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.320 know everything she's done in that moment when she sat 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.520 down in that interview Homegrow when one pregnant. So you're 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.040 you're saying a few things that I think are are 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.560 really important here that that we we gotta dig into. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.320 So number one, let's let's clarify for our listeners. The 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:09.200 interview you're referring to. She went on a A morning 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:13.600 Noah's an evening talk show. Excuse me, Australia's Sunday Night 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.439 is what it was called. And Beyonce goes to do 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:22.040 this interview while pregnant with in theory Blue Ivy allegedly pregnant. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.280 She sits down and as she sits down, Number one, 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.839 what you're explaining is she sits down in a way 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.800 that doesn't feel like a person who would be as 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.920 pregnant as she appears to be. And then on top 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:40.000 of that, in sitting down, her stomach seems to sort 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:46.040 of avalanche into itself. It sort of becomes concave. Pick second, 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:53.080 come on, and then pops back out. Uh, you know, 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.640 like a coke bottle you squeeze too hard, And that 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.960 then launched the conspiracy theory that we're talking to and spend. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:05.480 I think it's been years of people continuously accusing her 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:10.080 of having falsified her pregnancy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.160 it's interesting because I feel like there's a lot of 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.880 shame with the potential thought that I had of her 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:21.000 having a surrogate. For some reason, that's shameful for women 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:25.080 these days, are friend Chell, butoh was able to have 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:31.080 surrogate and she's open about it because, you know, been 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.400 very articulate about her experience. Yis, Yeah, because women need 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.560 to understand that. But it's kind of like, you know, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.240 I just I just I just wish she would be 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.760 able to be honest about it. You know, that would 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.120 be cool for me if Beyonce was just like, Yo, 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.120 this is what I did. The other part that I 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.240 think is really interesting and sort of what you presented, 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.800 because they're the phrasing of it as we presented. It 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.400 may not even be the correct phrasing that you believe, 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.440 because at least in your argument, you believe she had 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:04.280 a miss ariage, so she was pregnant. It just wasn't 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.120 that she took that baby to full terms. I think 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.080 what you're arguing, yes, I believe this is in my 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:17.000 educated guest hypothesis brain, and that she actually was pregnant 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.440 in that moment that that MTV Video Music Awards where 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.840 she like rubbed her belly and she was all happy. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.240 I think in that moment she was pregnant, and then 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.520 maybe something bad happened and then she was able to 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.400 have the baby through a surrogate. However, in that moment 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.199 in that video, I do not believe she was pregnant. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.679 And there's timelines. I mean, she works so hard, she 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.679 works so hard, she works so hard, and to do 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.560 that fully pregnant. I mean Catherine Zeita Jones, she taped 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.640 Chicago while she was pregnant, and it was fully pregnant 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.640 at the Academy Awards that year. That's crazy to do. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.800 Pregnant women need to sit down. Yeah. That and and 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:05.280 to your point, not the way you're sitting Beyonce, Hey, hey, 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:10.240 learn your lesson. You sit different, girl. You gotta get 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:15.839 into the character fully. The amount of sort of like 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.920 tax that gets put on a pregnant woman's body just 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:24.440 by by existing in the world is a fuck hunt 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.360 like that. You are exhausted just walking, just doing basic 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.679 everyday things. And the fact that Beyonce continued to be 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:37.640 Beyonce the entire time that she was allegedly pregnant means 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.280 that she was putting triple to quadruple the amount of 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.600 tax that the average woman is putting on her body. Now, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:48.240 maybe she's just that capable, or maybe you did a 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.800 little too much. The baby was lost and instead of 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.200 just taking that il, you opted to find a different 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.920 solution to said problem. And this is in no way 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.120 shaming anyone. This is in no way saying anything is 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.920 anyone's fault here. These are just things that happen in nature. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.719 You know. There's there's women that have done less, you know, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.960 and had miscarriages, happened things like that. So there's like, 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.840 not no mockery here. I just do not believe in 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:23.520 that video. In that video. Yeah, So so when Beyonce 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.720 is rubbing her belly at the v M as you're 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.760 bought in, You're like, hell, yeah, Queen Bee's pregnant, We're 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.080 we're doing this, and then it's the video that breaks 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:40.240 you or is there something in between okay, And then 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.560 do you become and this is this is where I 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.439 think all of conspiracy theory gets fascinating. Do you then 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.800 become like a person on the street waving a fucking 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.400 flag telling people about this or you just sort of like, yo, 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.280 I'm gonna keep this to myself. I'm a mama fucking business. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.560 But that ain't no goddamn baby inside belly. Listen, I'm 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.320 sometimes grassroots with my conspiracy theories, with my gossip. I 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.760 love to have conversations with people. It's it's a fun 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:14.640 dinner conversation to have just bust out with, hey, we 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.760 never landed on the moon. It's just fun to see 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:21.360 how other people feel about this. Is one of those 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.240 when you're like, you know, you're in a room full 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.960 of gaze, Hey, guys, was Beyonce pregnant? And then the 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:33.560 room just erupts into gossip and chatty of things we 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.480 can't necessarily tweet. Yeah, you don't want to take this 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.440 to the inner webs? You you you want to keep 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.360 this in a in a dinner party setting. Yes, yes, 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.040 I mean it's bold enough to even put it out 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.800 of the podcast. Hello be Hive, you guys are amazing. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:55.280 I love how you rally around. Please don't come from me. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:15:00.920 But if you do, watch the special and uh, if 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.680 you're gonna come for joy, l at least come for her. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.720 In the comments on Peacock, I assume Peacock has some 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.600 section that they allow you to say hateful things there 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.960 and put little bumble bees. Do that ship there. Don't 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:19.360 do it on miscellaneous places that don't benefit her streams exactly. Yes, 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.720 put a whole bunch of bees. Bees are cool. Hell yeah, 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.520 we funk with bees. Uh, put them under me? Love 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:32.760 joy on Peacock. That's my advertising voice. Okay, I love it. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:38.200 So you aren't sold on Beyonce being pregnant. I guess 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.440 my question And this is where I've always sort of 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.600 been fascinated with this conspiracy theory story, all of it. 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.880 Why what what do you think the motivation is here? Like, 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.000 what is the the ultimate goal on her in to 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.280 keep this part of it private? Because to your point, 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.680 she could have been groundbreaking in this situation. She could 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.880 have been a leader and really like broken this whole 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.760 thing open and said I am the one who's going 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.160 to start this whole surrogate game off. In terms of 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:14.560 like certainly celebrity culture in mon contemporary celebrity culture. I'm 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.000 sure it's happened before this. Yeah, you know that that 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:22.920 whole black Woman's Superman superwoman thing that we have to 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:27.560 be superheroes at all times with everything. You can't cry, 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.680 we can't show any vulnerability. So it's like, if I 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:37.360 am and I am this magnificent being, I should also 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.240 be able to do the most feminine thing possible, which 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:45.120 is having a baby, right, you know, And I feel 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.400 like society puts that shame on us. I mean that's 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.280 why I'm such an advocate for women's reproductive rights. I 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.320 think we need to talk about it on all stages 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.960 of the platform, and like having a surrogacy, having IVF, 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.520 needing help to get pregnant, things like that are things 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.360 we need to be able to discuss more because it 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:06.960 happens to so many women. Right, So you're saying that 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.119 that Beyonce in particular is because of the way that 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.480 she's sort of been elevated socially, there's no chance of 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.400 her showing this level of sort of like honesty. Yeah, 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.959 and weakness almost seems like an unfair word because to 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.760 your point, it is so common that it should just 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.360 be the way that we we talk about what this 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.399 journey is that Like, you know, even with my wife 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.600 and I, it took us a year to be able 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.040 to get pregnant. It's not it's not always like an 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.960 easy process. And that's not a reflection of health or 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.240 capability or care or love or any of those things. 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.640 It truly is just human bodies are weird and fucked up, 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.080 and sometimes ours don't do the things we asked them 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.600 to do. And so you're saying Beyonce just isn't in 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.000 a position to be able to show that vulnerability, even 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:58.320 though it is so much the human experience. Yeah, I 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.119 mean I kind of feel like if you're going to 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:04.879 the extent of putting a prosthetic stomach on for an interview, 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.679 that is an ability to be like, let's just not 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.240 deal with it, which is another reason why I'm a 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.360 huge advocate therapy. Everyone we gotta deal with our stuff, 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.280 and it's tough to deal with stuff in the open. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.600 But when you're a public figure, you know it is 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.920 you know, you do what you do, but everybody's not able. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.560 I mean, how old was she at that point? She 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.600 was still in her early thirties, right, Yeah, I mean 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.800 Blue Blue Ives what twenty nine now, so she was 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:40.560 in Yeah, Blue Ives. You know, Blue ivees out. You're 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:47.840 running a fortune at this point, so basically a purchase 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:52.000 both of us. I just feel like, right now we forty. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.840 So it's like, Okay, a forty year old person would 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.200 be able to be more open about something like that 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.680 versus a thirty year old you know. And I will 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.960 say that that even more to that point, Beyonce has 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.720 gone through uh, sort of a renaissance, if you will, 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.439 in terms of her her openness and transparency as a 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:16.760 human being. That for years she was sort of a 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.600 bit of a robot, a stilted human being who sort 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.080 of went out and danced and saying, but we never 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:27.160 really got a much of a look behind the curtain 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.040 as to who this person is. And then through the 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.439 years she has slowly become more and more a person 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.560 who's like, at least willing to show a level of 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.080 vulnerability as much as a person who was built that 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:43.480 way can at least look, it looks exhausting to be Beyonce. 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.280 I'm gonna be honest, I don't care for one bit. 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.400 I'll be I'll be real. I would much rather be Rihanna. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.880 That bitch looks like she have fun. Oh my god. 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.600 I was in I was in a hallway while she 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.520 was in a room smoking some weed, and I was 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:02.360 just wanting to be in her presence. She's cool as ship. Yeah, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.000 but she just she does what she wants, She wears 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.679 what she wants. That when they ask your questions, she 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.840 gives the answer that popped in her head, not the 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:14.000 one that like is six chess moves ahead of wherever 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:18.160 she might get in trouble. Pageant answer, Yeah, the pageant answer. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:22.560 She's Rocky. We could all, we'd all enjoy fucking asap Rocky. 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.120 That's a beautiful man, It's it's all. It's all going 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:31.160 well for who sap Rocky? Who wouldn't want to fuck 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:34.280 a sap Rocky? Except for those Swedish people that he 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:38.639 fist fought? Name the episode that who wouldn't want to 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:46.520 fuck a sap Rocky? This episode about Beyonce is called 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:51.120 who Wouldn't want to? I love that. Let me ask 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.560 you this question because I do think that this is 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:58.960 we're we're talking about this, this transparency, this vulnerability that 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:03.080 Beyonce isn't able to show back. Then do you think 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:08.160 there's a world now where she could come forward and say, hey, y'all, 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.680 remember back when I was pregnant and I wasn't. I wasn't, 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.680 and I think it's it's better for us to now 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.000 know a different truth in this. Can Beyonce I do 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.080 that or does she have to just keep going with 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:25.080 this the story that she's built. I believe Beyonce can 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.760 do whatever she wants because she is one of those 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:33.000 Negroes that has I say negro that has like exalted herself. 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:37.360 She's exalted and it's like she can honestly pretty much 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:40.080 do no wrong at this point, which is a very 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.880 pageant existence where it's like she always says the right 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:47.280 thing her Her publicity gets her ugly photos off the 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.760 internet like stuff like that. So if she was to 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.760 be like this is Beyonce being vulnerable, go, I think 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.760 she could completely because she'd have a whole team construct 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:04.160 the press relief and the interview with Oprah and when 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.159 she's gonna cry and it to be like she'd have 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.960 a whole team and they could freaking change the world 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:15.280 with that ship. They would heal so many women. Damn. 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:19.960 That's heavy because it it also would mean and maybe 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:23.320 you you feel this as an artist. I think there's 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.640 something beautiful about that, right that like she could she 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.320 could liberate in a sense, so many people from like 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:34.359 this this uh sadness, this frustration with what it means 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:36.840 to lose a child or to not be able to 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.560 get pregnant, blah blah blah blah blah. But then there's 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.600 the other hard part about it, which is once you 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:46.280 become the face of some ship, you you are the 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:50.680 face of some ship, and you can't then walk other 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:54.879 decisions backwards or you have to explain every decision you 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.800 make in relation to that thing that you decided you 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.439 were going to be the face stuff. I think it 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.879 depends on the person, you know, because I'm I'm fine 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.720 with you know, I work in abortion rights. I'm fine 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.040 with that being somebody thinking about me and thinking about abortion. 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.280 I'm fine with that. But I feel like Beyonce has 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.560 done so much that she that would just be an 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:22.600 aspect of you know whoa this crazy of something Beyonce did. 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:27.480 But also you know, single ladies. Yeah, it's tough. It's 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.280 it's hard to predict because it makes me think about 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:35.840 like Jesse Williams, right, we love Jesse Williams. For the 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:40.200 three years that Jesse Williams was married to a black 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:44.960 lady and saying all the right things about black liberation 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.920 and and what we need to do as a community. 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.280 He was, Oh, he was our beautiful blue eyed speaker 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:55.520 of the black house. And then this nigger had an 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.960 affair or and not. I don't even know if he 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.320 had an affair. Frankly, I know for I know for 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:03.399 certain that he and his wife went through a a 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:08.760 tumultuous period, broke up, and then Jesse very quickly found 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:12.160 himself in the arms oh white woman, but then also 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.240 other women. But that was enough for the Internet to 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:19.600 then decide that everything that this man had earned was 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:23.359 was now exempt because he because he wasn't good to 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.679 his black queen. And it's like, that's not how that 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.720 should work. The nigga was still spinning bars. He he 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:33.600 just got some sign pussy and that's that's neither here 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:38.480 nor there. I mean from the female perspective, Look, dude, 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.560 and he's talking all that ship and then do some 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.720 basic nigga ship. That's some basic bit ship. He did 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:48.000 like you you coming and went in with this exaltation. 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:51.479 You don't have to do all that, you can also 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:55.120 be fallible and and know that, Hey, I'm saying all 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.280