Speaker 1: This episode is going to cover a lot of ground
Speaker 1: in the sense of how, in my opinion, a good
Speaker 1: way to think about how Black Americans moved through the
Speaker 1: public and deal with issues within our community that affects
Speaker 1: the greater politics. You're following me. I know it's a mouthful,
Speaker 1: but you'll understand as we talk. I think it has
Speaker 1: to do with, or the best way to understand it
Speaker 1: is how we raised now as black people. It's safe
Speaker 1: to assume you was raised by a black mama, and
Speaker 1: if he was raised by a black mama, I feel
Speaker 1: with regional variations, um and of course all statistics can
Speaker 1: be added an asterisk, right, But generally the greatest defense
Speaker 1: you could do to your mama is embarrassed her. But
Speaker 1: the degree for which you get in trouble about that
Speaker 1: embarrassment has to do with where you embarrass her. And
Speaker 1: there's one place. Again it may be described a little
Speaker 1: different here and there, but there is one place that
Speaker 1: if you cross this line, you're behind this mind. You
Speaker 1: do not embarrass your mama in public. Slight variation in
Speaker 1: front of these people, slight variation in front of these
Speaker 1: white people at this grocery store. At this point, the
Speaker 1: point is don't embarrass your mama in public because things
Speaker 1: that need to be dealt with need to be dealt
Speaker 1: with at home. We already know what these white people
Speaker 1: think of us. We already know they already out to
Speaker 1: get you. I'm just telling you how we think, and
Speaker 1: we already know what these people think of her. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna ruin that. But what I think y'all don't understand,
Speaker 1: as you within our community, is that might sound selfish,
Speaker 1: don't embarrass your MoMA in public, but it's protection, it's safety.
Speaker 1: We move differently, all and there's a reason why we do.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it her politics, y'all. All right, So
Speaker 1: the black community is not in any way, shape or
Speaker 1: form immune to traditional issues of patriarchy and misogyny. We
Speaker 1: are just as guilty as every other community issues of
Speaker 1: homophobia and and all the all the same sort of
Speaker 1: you know, the toxic masculinity. It's it's in our it's
Speaker 1: in our communities like everybody else's community. But there is
Speaker 1: a a venerated person within our community, and its mama.
Speaker 1: We venerate moms. Now, it's weird in the sense that
Speaker 1: like obviously side chicks and baby mamas and and all
Speaker 1: that drama and all the like, you know, disrespectful hip
Speaker 1: hop that at least I grew up on, obviously is
Speaker 1: full of misogyny, obviously is full of like treating mama's terribly,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But out of that same
Speaker 1: mouth comes the song Tupac wrote, Dear Mama, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, which every thug still sheds a thug
Speaker 1: tear whenever that song is played. Mom is venerated. Now,
Speaker 1: part of that veneration is in theory, because obviously we
Speaker 1: will necessarily treat our mama's very well. But what you
Speaker 1: what do you hear when a black man becomes a star,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, or or an athlete or
Speaker 1: makes it they body mama house. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get my mama this car. I'm gonna give my mom
Speaker 1: out the hood. You know what I'm saying, Like that
Speaker 1: is your first thing. And some of that has to
Speaker 1: do with a different type of massah, Jenny, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Don't get me wrong, I'm not unaware
Speaker 1: of what's going on here, you know, because we only
Speaker 1: understand our moms in relation to how they treated us.
Speaker 1: All my mama worked four jobs, kept me. She's so hard.
Speaker 1: She worked so hard. That's a strong black woman. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take care of it. She ain't gonna ever have
Speaker 1: to work again. You know what I'm saying, Well, do
Speaker 1: you think she wanted to be a strong black woman? Nigger?
Speaker 1: That's because you're broke as daddy left her, you feel
Speaker 1: he like, I don't know. I mean, maybe you you're
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But what I'm trying to say is like
Speaker 1: we have a hard time seeing her as a full person.
Speaker 1: But that being said, as dichotomists or oxymoronic as it
Speaker 1: might be, we have venerated moms. Even when we make
Speaker 1: your mama jokes, it's understood that we're not really talking
Speaker 1: about your mama because we really talking about my mama,
Speaker 1: Like that would be the end of your life, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And a lot of times I
Speaker 1: remember when I was a kid, like why did you
Speaker 1: end up in the Spire hospitals talking about my mama?
Speaker 1: So like there's just something about our mothers that is,
Speaker 1: in some ways is the cornerstone of our community. A
Speaker 1: lot of times, your mother was your the center of
Speaker 1: your moral compass, even if she gang banged. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like and again, like I said in the beginning,
Speaker 1: all statistics have asterisks. That is not true for everybody,
Speaker 1: but as a general understanding of our experience, our mom
Speaker 1: is venerated. So because she shaped our personality, she shaped
Speaker 1: who we are. And if you understand the plight of
Speaker 1: black women in America, also, it's like, well, she's the
Speaker 1: most targeted of all the then diagrams of suffering and oppression.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, yo, she she the bulls eyes, the
Speaker 1: black woman, you know. But she's also the creator of
Speaker 1: culture and futures. And like I said, she's the the
Speaker 1: the center of our moral compass, and she the person
Speaker 1: that may raised us all and being said, all of
Speaker 1: us got black Mama stories, and some of them are
Speaker 1: more fun than others, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: you know little things about like hey, you know why
Speaker 1: you don't be cutting up in school because okay, this
Speaker 1: woman working two three jobs, she's gonna have to take
Speaker 1: a day off work that ain't gonna get paid just
Speaker 1: to come and get your ass because you don't know
Speaker 1: how to act in school, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So when she beat the brakes, off you. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's it's it's it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's funny. You know, don't take mama's apple juice. Did
Speaker 1: my mom have sold us up under her bed that
Speaker 1: me and my siblings bet not drink. Absolutely was their
Speaker 1: parts in our our house that we knew. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, if you go in that closet like
Speaker 1: family is over. But again, my mama was my moral compass.
Speaker 1: You know. She had her prayer closet. It was you know,
Speaker 1: every day or every other day whatever, for like an
Speaker 1: hour maybe our fifteen minutes, she shut the doing locket.
Speaker 1: She going that room. She praying, like my mom and
Speaker 1: they're praying, you know, she praying over us, you know,
Speaker 1: laying hands on it. Like whatever the case, maybe your
Speaker 1: mama become she's just the center of your thing. And
Speaker 1: there is one thing that I feel like we all
Speaker 1: know you're intro with school, you're into whatever. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you you disrespect or you back talker, like,
Speaker 1: of course you'll handle that, but most of us know
Speaker 1: not to talk to your mom's that way, right, which
Speaker 1: is why generally we look at the way white people
Speaker 1: raise their kids. We just think it's strange, you know. Said. Granted,
Speaker 1: we have a lot to learn from each other, because
Speaker 1: obviously this podcast is not unpacking why our moms um
Speaker 1: perpetuated some of the practices that we're birth out of
Speaker 1: our disenfranchisement and oppression. Um, we're only scratching the surface
Speaker 1: of that. But the point is there's a narrative being
Speaker 1: pitched here. So when I say the biggest thing you
Speaker 1: can do is wrong is embarrass your mama in public. Uh,
Speaker 1: some of us may have some PTSD from shivers. Some
Speaker 1: of y'all has been on how bad that your mom was?
Speaker 1: If you and barrassed me out, if you embarrass me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna embarrass you. You know you mess around? Is
Speaker 1: again pinning how boud it y'all are? How hood y'all
Speaker 1: were your mama mess around, beat your ass in front
Speaker 1: of all these people, in front of your friends. She
Speaker 1: would even say that, don't make me embarrass you in
Speaker 1: front of your little friends. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's another thing, you know, we always say another one
Speaker 1: of the thing, I'm not booboot the fool. Don't talk
Speaker 1: to me like I'm one of your little friends. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like I deserve this respect, you know,
Speaker 1: and she had the backhand to back it up. You
Speaker 1: understand saying, but whatever it is, whatever cutting up you got,
Speaker 1: if you do it in front of other people, and
Speaker 1: specifically because when we she with her homies and you
Speaker 1: act stupid, she gonna light you up in front of
Speaker 1: them because they know all my too. Girl, I don't
Speaker 1: know what these young they mess around, they mess around,
Speaker 1: jump in yo, say uh, you mess around in front
Speaker 1: of family, any one of your aunties might get in you,
Speaker 1: you know, but not in front of these white fee
Speaker 1: not in public. And again, pen On, how bad that
Speaker 1: your mom was was what she was, She owned, how
Speaker 1: she feels, how she developed in her own sort of psychology.
Speaker 1: She may be like, excuse me for a second, to
Speaker 1: whoever she was talking to, even whether she was on
Speaker 1: the phone, uh or you was actually in public, give
Speaker 1: you this look like go a wait in the car. Ah, buddy, buddy,
Speaker 1: you finna get it. I know. I remember a few
Speaker 1: times I mouthed off at church. She gave me this
Speaker 1: look like, you know, white people be like wait till
Speaker 1: your father gets home. You know, I taught me that's
Speaker 1: scary you know, I get it because it's your daddy
Speaker 1: the enforcer. That's just I mean my daddy. My daddy
Speaker 1: was around for my my early childhood, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, yeah, he was an enforcer, but he
Speaker 1: ain't need to be. That's like he didn't need to be.
Speaker 1: A mother would say stuff like go away in the car. Fam,
Speaker 1: you had already crossed the line on me. It's it's
Speaker 1: bad news bears for you. Now. Why I bring this
Speaker 1: up in in terms of hood politics is I think
Speaker 1: there's some ground I want to cover here. I know,
Speaker 1: I did a two part episode about Kanye and I
Speaker 1: really want to be I want to dead the topic
Speaker 1: with this um, which has not much to do with him,
Speaker 1: but how the black community responded and how we generally
Speaker 1: respond to somebody who has probably crossed the line many times,
Speaker 1: but we ain't done nothing like and as far as
Speaker 1: into the world of canceled little bull offenses, you know,
Speaker 1: speaking of which, when you say, like, who do you
Speaker 1: think invented cancel culture, it was black women. They invented
Speaker 1: the term like, oh, he's canceled like, and they just
Speaker 1: did it as like and not as something that was
Speaker 1: supposed to become a culture. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's what happens when you're talking from the white people.
Speaker 1: But black women used to say that, Oh no, he canceled,
Speaker 1: like that came from them. I just let me set
Speaker 1: the record straight. The phrase came from black women. But anyway,
Speaker 1: there's a long history of incredibly problematic Black figures, you know,
Speaker 1: who've continually dumb. Now granted now now follow me. Ain't
Speaker 1: no more problematic than anybody else's figures, you know, But
Speaker 1: even problematic Black figures that have made us, I don't know,
Speaker 1: feel embarrassed in public, you know what I'm saying. Uh,
Speaker 1: one would ask what took us so long? With R Kelly?
Speaker 1: I think I brought this up before. Um what took
Speaker 1: us so long? Whini Bishop Atty? Long? Now it beens
Speaker 1: on how black y'all. You may not know his name,
Speaker 1: you know, but the brother was a listen, I mean,
Speaker 1: brother was brother was outside in all the wrong ways.
Speaker 1: You feel me? There were some problems going on. But
Speaker 1: the line that you have to cross before we disavalue
Speaker 1: is something that needs to be understood as a way
Speaker 1: to understand why we are not white liberals while we
Speaker 1: are not just what the Democratic Party thinks we are,
Speaker 1: or even what the Republican Party thinks we are, or
Speaker 1: what's your Twitter feed thinks we are, depending on how
Speaker 1: hood your Twitter feed is, There's a lot going on here.
Speaker 1: And I say this in the shadow of unfortunately today
Speaker 1: November one of the shooting death of Amigo's artists, take
Speaker 1: Off um as an accidental I mean right now, like
Speaker 1: the the Again, depending on how deep in the black
Speaker 1: Twitter you are, you may not really know all the
Speaker 1: details about this, and maybe this isn't I went by
Speaker 1: the time it comes out like, maybe the story might
Speaker 1: have get straightened out. But essentially, if you know, take Off,
Speaker 1: he was always known as being really quiet in the cut,
Speaker 1: even killed stay out of stuff. He wasn't He wasn't
Speaker 1: the type to pop off. He was real chill. And
Speaker 1: in the situation, there was a dice game going on,
Speaker 1: and apparently Quavo was more pressed about something else and
Speaker 1: some shots rang off, and essentially take Off was shot
Speaker 1: by accident. You know. So it wasn't like no dice game,
Speaker 1: or it wasn't like he was shooting dice And you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like word is he was literally
Speaker 1: standing in the back and he just caught a bullet
Speaker 1: and probably uh most likely again can't confirm. None of
Speaker 1: this might have been friendly fired. Just somebody shot, they
Speaker 1: shot back, and he out of bullet and rather than
Speaker 1: the rest in peace, you know, take off things that
Speaker 1: should have taken off, hashtags that should have taken off,
Speaker 1: Black on black crime took off. That's that's the that's
Speaker 1: that's the hashtag that's trending as of today. This is
Speaker 1: why this topic of politics is so important to me.
Speaker 1: And if you can hear in the tone of my
Speaker 1: voice that this isn't the normal jovial like, oh my
Speaker 1: ads is so absurd kind of tone. This is like
Speaker 1: like this is something I feel like some deep sociology here.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll ready, let's go, ready. So the first
Speaker 1: thing you have to understand about how black people deal
Speaker 1: with uh people that they have quote unquote not for
Speaker 1: your terms, not by what you mean canceled, but why
Speaker 1: what we mean by that? Um, we're very we across
Speaker 1: the board. Again, all statistics have asterisk, but generally we
Speaker 1: deal with things via humor, like you know, we crack jokes,
Speaker 1: we make fun of each other, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: understood that like yo, if you're getting if you're getting cooked,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to cook back, you know, because there's an
Speaker 1: understanding that we're in this together and it's all love,
Speaker 1: you know. And then there are some things that were
Speaker 1: just like yo, if you just don't mess with somebody,
Speaker 1: you don't mess with somebody, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: As far as like within our community, it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: that man, you're a weird though, like like ah, but
Speaker 1: that but that weird will have homies like like like
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go out and say it's like Kyrie Irving,
Speaker 1: like you're a weirdo. You know. Also today, uh, the
Speaker 1: news dropped that Steve Nash has been fired from the
Speaker 1: NETS and apparently it was over some argument with Kyrie
Speaker 1: and cannot be confirmed again the the news is still breaking,
Speaker 1: but essentially Steve Nash that had everybody at the crib
Speaker 1: and and Nash was pressing him about being a flat
Speaker 1: earther and what sucks is like, man, this video of
Speaker 1: Takeoff being murdered, but don't nobody want to see that.
Speaker 1: I want to see the video of this conversation where
Speaker 1: a situation. According to the story, he was pressing him
Speaker 1: about being a flat earther, and he told Steve Nash,
Speaker 1: what do you know about rotations? Which is if you
Speaker 1: know basketball, that is funny, okay, And part of what
Speaker 1: makes it so funny is that, Okay, if you're a
Speaker 1: flat earth are, you're already starting from a deficit, so
Speaker 1: you should easily you should be cooked easily. Right, But
Speaker 1: you out But Steve Nash, you outgunned, you out mad
Speaker 1: the fact because black people have been cooking each other
Speaker 1: for a long time, so we always have a comeback, right,
Speaker 1: So he like that, like it cooked that boy, you
Speaker 1: got cooked by a flat earther. Like that's hilarious to me.
Speaker 1: But anyway, point being, we we cracked jokes among each other, right,
Speaker 1: but when we're done with you, when you've crossed the line,
Speaker 1: we don't Generally, you're not gonna see a bunch of
Speaker 1: like hay tweets or disavowing. It's not like, it's not like,
Speaker 1: it's not like how everybody else handles stuff. You cease
Speaker 1: to exist to us, You just mattering. Stacy Dash is
Speaker 1: a good example that nobody's checking for it. The last
Speaker 1: time we heard heard about her was when she realized
Speaker 1: two years later that DMX was dead. Nobody checking for it.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk on this podcast because of like
Speaker 1: you know, cool zone media and the fact the stuff
Speaker 1: that I'm in about Candice Owns you run through the hood.
Speaker 1: They have no idea who she is. She just don't matter.
Speaker 1: You when you when we're done, you fall off the planet.
Speaker 1: So it's like, if you're not gonna get made fun of,
Speaker 1: you just not gonna be checked in on We're done,
Speaker 1: Like you're just you don't How else can I say?
Speaker 1: You don't matter? You know why black people know who
Speaker 1: Herschel Walker is now just because he's running, because he's
Speaker 1: running for office. He was like, wait, thank that the
Speaker 1: nigger I thought he moved to Texas. The nigga stopped
Speaker 1: mattering to us. You know he's he You crossed into
Speaker 1: a world to where we stopped checking for him. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that we only talk about him
Speaker 1: now because we got to talk about him now. The
Speaker 1: only reason Black people talk about Candice owns Now is
Speaker 1: because of Kanye what checking for it? She stopped mattering. Y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all following me, You have to be really into the stuff.
Speaker 1: But when you go through like listen your Twitter feed,
Speaker 1: I'm part of the talented tenth. Like and I and
Speaker 1: I say that in academic terms, right again, you gotta
Speaker 1: google your W E B D. Boys, you gotta google.
Speaker 1: You gotta google that to understand what I mean by
Speaker 1: the talented tenth. Right, Um, I'm gonna make you do
Speaker 1: your Google's Google Talented tenth shout out tom Me Sho
Speaker 1: Barrock who did an album on it. So I'm hybrid,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm different. You know what I'm saying. But if
Speaker 1: you go through the block, oh no, Candice always and
Speaker 1: niggas don't care. You know, I'm saying like she don't matter,
Speaker 1: you feel me. It's not that they're uninformed or just
Speaker 1: not there on intelligence. Are very intelligent people. That's the
Speaker 1: whole premise of her politics, is that the streets are
Speaker 1: actually very intelligent. But as a community, you know what
Speaker 1: we're not checking for. So really that's that's how it
Speaker 1: looks what y'all want us to do with Kanye, how
Speaker 1: it would actually look in practice is like that he
Speaker 1: would just stop mattering. The problem is he still matters
Speaker 1: to us. And I'm gonna explain to you why after this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, we're back now, why Kanye still matters. Is
Speaker 1: something that really goes back to your mama saying don't
Speaker 1: embarrass us in public part of it, and and it's
Speaker 1: in two parts. The first part is is the cultural
Speaker 1: power to cancel, and two is is the white gaze.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with the white gaze because I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a good intersection with like the male gaze.
Speaker 1: It's this and now it used this as as a comparison.
Speaker 1: Women will tell you about the male gaze. It's this
Speaker 1: this feeling at all times that you're being watched, being
Speaker 1: ogl being It just feels icky. It's always a man,
Speaker 1: whether it's sexual or power or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: Men's is always watching. You can't do nothing without them watching, you,
Speaker 1: feel me. If you're in a um professional situation, what
Speaker 1: comes out of that male gaze? A lot of times
Speaker 1: just man explaining you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: you over here diligently doing your work, dropping gems, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And then the dude that's watching
Speaker 1: the whole time essentially just says what you just said
Speaker 1: to the rest of the group, and everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know that's you know what I'm saying, it's this
Speaker 1: idea like or or the brother come pick your from
Speaker 1: your office and pick your brain. And this happening to
Speaker 1: my wife, you know what I'm saying, sitting on a panel,
Speaker 1: Like she was doing a panel discussion and the guy,
Speaker 1: one of the one of the dudes, came in and
Speaker 1: talked him, was like, hey, so tell me what you're
Speaker 1: what you're about, what you're talking about, so we could
Speaker 1: be on the same page on the stage. So she
Speaker 1: started dropping some of her ideas. They get on the
Speaker 1: stage and he essentially just says her ideas, Man, you
Speaker 1: can't you just can't talk in front of these people.
Speaker 1: I can't show you none of my brilliance. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because it always ends up being a
Speaker 1: power lever. It's the male gaze. Can't dress cute because
Speaker 1: that means I'm inviting you to like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, plat X ray goggles on my boobies, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, So it's this gaze black
Speaker 1: people feel that we white people. It's this idea that like,
Speaker 1: whether you're watching us to steal our words, our dance,
Speaker 1: redefine them as your own. Like I've talked about so
Speaker 1: many times. The fact that there is such thing as
Speaker 1: cancel culture, woke culture CRT as a problem is y'all
Speaker 1: watching black people move and then giving definition. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we always say, like, man, you can't talking from the
Speaker 1: white people. That's gonna ruin our slang. They're gonna ruin
Speaker 1: our dances, They're gonna run. They always watching. But also
Speaker 1: this feeling that you're always watching to prove your prejudices correct,
Speaker 1: you're following. This is why I bring up take Off
Speaker 1: being murdered and then Black on Black crime trending. It's
Speaker 1: the white daze. You're looking into our community to prove
Speaker 1: the prejudices that you have. There's this um clip going
Speaker 1: around of Jamal Bryant. He's a pastor back East Black pastor.
Speaker 1: He lightened up herschel Walker, and he lightened him up
Speaker 1: because of the stuff that I'm talking about is like
Speaker 1: herschel Walker shucking give for you. This man can't talk
Speaker 1: is why I brought up before they make a talk.
Speaker 1: He sounds ignorant. You know what I'm saying. Here'd do
Speaker 1: whatever the white man tell him. So of course they
Speaker 1: want him in power now grant it Jamal bran ain't
Speaker 1: no saint. I mean this goes back to like what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about before as to like nigga, we probably
Speaker 1: should have dealt with this nigga a while back. But
Speaker 1: the point we're saying is this man has crossed the
Speaker 1: line into a place to where you like, it's like
Speaker 1: house niggas and field niggas like you you think you
Speaker 1: know because they didn't. They didn't put you all in
Speaker 1: the front, you feel me, Uh, they propped you up
Speaker 1: all in the front. You getting all these checks. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Why do you think you're getting
Speaker 1: all these checks from these white people's because you'll do
Speaker 1: what they say. Nigga, you're not with us. You you
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying. That's that white gaze. They went
Speaker 1: and found a man, according to Jamal Bryant, that look
Speaker 1: exactly the way they think of us as and then
Speaker 1: they gona do whatever they do. You turn around, put
Speaker 1: them in front of black people because you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you know black people want to be equal representation, right.
Speaker 1: But he's like, they don't speak for me. Yo. This
Speaker 1: is an interesting, uh sort of cross section with the
Speaker 1: new Prime Minister in the UK Who's this a South
Speaker 1: Asian brother? And are you asking does he represent that
Speaker 1: South Asian community? I mean, I guess, but he's extremely wealthy.
Speaker 1: He's one of the most wealthy. I like, have y'all
Speaker 1: pulled his have y'all pulled his pulled his LinkedIn. He
Speaker 1: even married into an extreme, extremely wealthy family. That man
Speaker 1: represent money. So so you're talking about the average you know,
Speaker 1: the average brown uh brother and sister, South Asian brother
Speaker 1: and sister out there in u K. He's like, does
Speaker 1: that man represent me? I mean, I don't know, just
Speaker 1: because he just you know, all scaring folk and can folks,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So there's that nuance right
Speaker 1: that this man don't represent us, but the white people's
Speaker 1: is watching. So when your mama say, don't you embarrass
Speaker 1: me in public, there's a there's a bigger sociological phenomenon
Speaker 1: happening here that you could possibly trace. I mean, this
Speaker 1: may sound grandiose, you know, some Niggers might be like,
Speaker 1: whatever you put an extras on it, but I believe
Speaker 1: this this stuff stayed in our bones from the overseers,
Speaker 1: all the way back into the slavery times, all the
Speaker 1: way back into gym Crow. You need to stay in line.
Speaker 1: You can't. Don't cut up in front of these people.
Speaker 1: You want, you understand, because we don't know what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do. I love you, we love you. They looking
Speaker 1: they're looking for a reason, these white people looking for
Speaker 1: a reason. Now with me. Obviously, when I say this,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about um, white as an institution. You know
Speaker 1: you're your buddy Carl from accounting, who's like a super
Speaker 1: good dude. Obviously it's not what i'm talking about talking about.
Speaker 1: White is an institution, which at this point in this
Speaker 1: podcast you should know that by now. But and obviously black,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about every black person. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about Black as a community as an institution. But
Speaker 1: there's this understanding all the way back to the overseers
Speaker 1: that I don't know what they'll do to you, or
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I have an idea what they'll
Speaker 1: do to you if you step out of line, or
Speaker 1: if I show that I can't keep you in line.
Speaker 1: We're all in trouble. So when you're cutting up in school,
Speaker 1: cutting up is such an old phrase. That's I'm telling
Speaker 1: you our parents when you know you're messing up in school,
Speaker 1: why you get drag so bad when you get home,
Speaker 1: it's because again your mom and them know they're looking
Speaker 1: for a reason to count you out. They're looking for
Speaker 1: a reason to not give you opportunities. You understand. So
Speaker 1: in some ways, again it's not about her, it's about us,
Speaker 1: which brings me to the next point as to why
Speaker 1: we don't cancel the way you want us to. And
Speaker 1: I believe it goes back to the same principle. Are
Speaker 1: collective is what has kept us safe. It's what has
Speaker 1: kept us alive. Our community, our community protection. We have
Speaker 1: a always worked in tandem with each other for our freedom.
Speaker 1: I am because we are that that that you have
Speaker 1: when you're when you come from a suffering people. And
Speaker 1: again I can only speak as black people. I am
Speaker 1: because we are. You make your ancestors proud. It took
Speaker 1: a lot of people to get you to where you are.
Speaker 1: So when we have that understanding, we tend to desire
Speaker 1: to police each other among ourselves. So when you get
Speaker 1: out of line, our inclination is to be like, get
Speaker 1: in the car for a second and we'll say, hey, hey, hey, baby,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with you, but Nikka,
Speaker 1: you tripping, right, and we'll crack jokes, but the door shut,
Speaker 1: the door shut and locked, because we can't let these
Speaker 1: white people see this. This is among us, Nigga, get
Speaker 1: your ship together. What is you doing? Because our discipline
Speaker 1: among each other. Why our moms were so hard on
Speaker 1: us is because what I'm gonna do to you is
Speaker 1: far less damaging than what they're gonna do to you
Speaker 1: is far So we keep it in the house. When
Speaker 1: you start tripping, we keep it in the house. And
Speaker 1: we also understand internalized racism. When you start internalizing yourself hate, right,
Speaker 1: and you start spewing out some of this to Sodian.
Speaker 1: So then this is what happened. This is original Kanye problem.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You being like, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you go from these lyrics all college drop out, like, oh,
Speaker 1: they put you know um when you you know, when
Speaker 1: you get on they leave your ask for a white girl.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Oh, they love Kanye. Put
Speaker 1: him in the front of this though, you know, and
Speaker 1: the white man get paid for all of that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, how you ended the Black panthers?
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan had an answer like we could spout so
Speaker 1: many Kanye lyrics about this black liberation right. Uh, so
Speaker 1: we're saying, oh, oh, Son, you didn't been given the
Speaker 1: oaky dog. Come come come back home. Let me talk
Speaker 1: to you some Oh oh oh, we get it. He's sick. Okay, baby, Okay, listen,
Speaker 1: Slavery is a choice thing. I'm gonna chalk that up. Listen,
Speaker 1: you have been. I'm gonna chalk that up to your uh,
Speaker 1: to your mad. Now as this is happening, he's chipping
Speaker 1: away at his support within the black community and some
Speaker 1: people at that point at the slavery the choice and
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, no, this niked done. I'm cool.
Speaker 1: Then you go into the kyrie world to where you're like,
Speaker 1: oh I didn't get weird though, Look y'all can haven't
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? But are we gonna turn
Speaker 1: him over to these white people? No? Now, what happened
Speaker 1: with Kanye is again, according to the communion, it started
Speaker 1: seemed like he just he wanted their approval. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what it started seeming like. You know, now when
Speaker 1: you walk into the again, now when you walk into
Speaker 1: the city, listen, they still ride with it. They're like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: they're just trying to keep this billionaire down. You know,
Speaker 1: you talk. I talked to some of these young dudes.
Speaker 1: They're like, Yo, he made graduation and that's it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because as a community, deep down
Speaker 1: inside us, we don't ever want to turn somebody over
Speaker 1: two the type of dehumanization that comes from whiteness. Now
Speaker 1: as he's losing. You know, all these um partnerships with
Speaker 1: these bigger companies. Now, why you don't see that with
Speaker 1: us is the fact that like, well, we don't have
Speaker 1: the collective cultural capital or power to cancel somebody like that. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't all those companies, we can't do that. We
Speaker 1: own cool, we own we own streets, We own culture
Speaker 1: in the sense that we we decide what's doping what's not.
Speaker 1: But we don't own the bank, we don't own the company.
Speaker 1: We own the trend. So when we decide you're not trendy,
Speaker 1: that's how we flex our power. When we're done with you.
Speaker 1: You're following me. I mean, when the last Stacy Dashed
Speaker 1: movie you've seen, we decided we were done. Does that
Speaker 1: do you understand that I'm asking you, Like you're sitting
Speaker 1: here but ultimately, our desire collectively has been let's deal
Speaker 1: with it inside. Don't you embarrass us in public. So
Speaker 1: when we're dealing with crime inside of our communities, yeah,
Speaker 1: you you just we're not We're not delusional. We know
Speaker 1: we're killing each other. I just don't need you to
Speaker 1: talk about it because you don't love us. We're just
Speaker 1: a talking point. We're talking about LOWA unemployment rates, We're
Speaker 1: talking about jail jail time sentences, We're talking about that,
Speaker 1: like we know, we know how we got here, but
Speaker 1: we know. But also how it gets really complicated is
Speaker 1: the fact that, like, if you think of all of
Speaker 1: the institutional obstacles that have been placed on the black community,
Speaker 1: whether it's policing, unfair housing, all of the things that
Speaker 1: have pressed against us from so many different angles, why
Speaker 1: would it not be so hard to believe in a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory? Because it feels like a conspiracy just pressed
Speaker 1: on every angle by every possible institution. It's hard to
Speaker 1: not be, like, you know what, I think y'all sitting
Speaker 1: around and planning all this. Y'all niggas just don't want
Speaker 1: no black people to win. So when Kanye stand up
Speaker 1: and start speaking up he's like, nah, man, I'm going
Speaker 1: against this system. You like, right on, Kan, Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course there's a conspiracy. Who you said the conspiracy is
Speaker 1: what you say? Oh, it's the Jill Okay work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's them. That's like you hear the term Mark Zuckerberg, right,
Speaker 1: and you're thinking that's the Jewish dude. So therefore Kanye's right,
Speaker 1: because there's no way Kanye would really sell us out
Speaker 1: because he wanted us. You see how the logic happens.
Speaker 1: I am because we are, and you have to think
Speaker 1: about the amount of long suffering we have. And of
Speaker 1: course obviously it's not a light switch on and off,
Speaker 1: because eventually you become Bill Cosby, and even becoming Bill Cosby,
Speaker 1: it's still folks that's like, nah, they after a black man.
Speaker 1: They're just trying to keep a black man down. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We've survived because of our collective
Speaker 1: protection against a system that has always felt like it
Speaker 1: was against us. So excuse us for not moving the
Speaker 1: way a liberal person, progressive person would think we would.
Speaker 1: It's not an issue of an intel of intelligence. It's
Speaker 1: an issue of survival. So obviously this is no defense
Speaker 1: of Kanye's words and actions. Again, I'm a little different.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been to a Holocaust museum. I understand
Speaker 1: the complexities and intersectionality of the black and the Jewish plight,
Speaker 1: and I also understand how industry works. And I also
Speaker 1: understand and I understand where they're coming from and why
Speaker 1: they would think the way they think. Now, it is
Speaker 1: my opinion that Kanye himself will always have his remnant
Speaker 1: that will always run with him. You know, give or
Speaker 1: take some some new Fox News ads, but there's going
Speaker 1: to be a percentage of our community that's just done again.
Speaker 1: I say R Kelly, I even say Chris Brown, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a star again. Of course he's moved on. You know,
Speaker 1: he made his made his thing. I think Travis Scott
Speaker 1: is actually a great example of somebody who showed his penance.
Speaker 1: It was like yo, like he was when you know,
Speaker 1: the astral World thing happened, Like yo, it was a mistake,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And he owned it and
Speaker 1: did everything he could and we like it. You know,
Speaker 1: I got you, no big deal. But I think there's
Speaker 1: a remnant in the streets that will always be like
Speaker 1: it ain't that serious. What Kanye saying, and y'all just
Speaker 1: after him because he's wealthy. Y'all just trying to take
Speaker 1: a black man down? Why? Because a lot of times
Speaker 1: it is they're just trying to take a black man down,
Speaker 1: and it's not. Again, I can't stress this enough. It's
Speaker 1: not that these people are unintelligent. They have a perception
Speaker 1: based on hundreds of years of evidence, the one did
Speaker 1: they think the way I think? So now when you're
Speaker 1: thinking about the black vote or the voter block listen,
Speaker 1: it's complicated. What does the black community think of Kanye
Speaker 1: is complicated? Will we ever fully disavow him? It's complicated?
Speaker 1: I because our our survival has been interdependent up until
Speaker 1: this day. So I don't know. Do we oftentimes vote
Speaker 1: against our own selves interests? A lot of times? Has
Speaker 1: the in I can't believe on saying this in defense?
Speaker 1: Has the Democratic Party always counted on us riding for
Speaker 1: them because the publicans sound ridiculously racist, Yeah, they have,
Speaker 1: but that's because they don't know us. That's because they're
Speaker 1: not really out here. Ye. So that's for you who
Speaker 1: are not of our community to at least understand what's
Speaker 1: going on now us that's inside of our community we
Speaker 1: gotta have a family meeting, y'all. Is the man coming
Speaker 1: to the barbecue or not? I mean, he did kind
Speaker 1: of embarrass us in public. What how are we gonna
Speaker 1: deal with this? I I will defer to the majority.
Speaker 1: I will state my opinion that these people on this
Speaker 1: recording ain't going here because this is mixed company. I
Speaker 1: will state my opinion and I'll follow the delegation. But
Speaker 1: we got bigger fister Fried bro rappers keep dying, we
Speaker 1: keep What is we doing, y'all? When Biggie and Tupac
Speaker 1: was murdered, it was like at shock waves. This stuff
Speaker 1: happening way too frequently. What is going on, y'all? Can
Speaker 1: we have a family meeting to discuss? And in the meantime,
Speaker 1: who we're voting for the for the for the mid
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