WEBVTT - How the Hells Angels Work

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 1>from house Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, room Room, etcetera. I'm Josh Clark. With me

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<v Speaker 1>is always as Charles W Chuck Bryant. That may have

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<v Speaker 1>been the most realistic Harley Davidson impression made by human mouth. Thanks, Room, Room, etcetera. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was practicing that. It's good. So Chuck, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing? Oh? I'm good dude. About to start the

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<v Speaker 1>old Thanksgiving break vacation. I know this is the last

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<v Speaker 1>thing we have to do and then a week off.

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<v Speaker 1>But this will probably come out after thank Giving people

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<v Speaker 1>to be like, yeah, weird, weird. Indeed, Hey, can I

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<v Speaker 1>take you back in time? We don't have to go

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<v Speaker 1>the way back machine. I'm just going to paint a

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<v Speaker 1>picture for you, all right. So, a balmy Saturday night,

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<v Speaker 1>April seventh, two two. Do you know where you were?

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<v Speaker 1>I was living in Los Angeles, Okay, so it probably

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't balmy for me. Okay, It's probably clear and cool,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Well, not too far away from where you were,

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<v Speaker 1>in a town called Laughlin, Nevada. There is a hair

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<v Speaker 1>Is casino and on that night a couple of guys

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<v Speaker 1>who were there for the Lafflin River Run. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>motorcycle uh run ride right, guy named Jeff King and

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<v Speaker 1>Walter Boosts to two buddies, just normal guys. We're walking

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<v Speaker 1>into the casino. The hair is at um Laughlin and

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<v Speaker 1>this burly guy pushed past him and said that they'd

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<v Speaker 1>better get the blank out of the way, because trouble's

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<v Speaker 1>about to happen. Sure enough, within two minutes, King and

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<v Speaker 1>Boost here, Uh two shots fired, and then another shot

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<v Speaker 1>and then all holy hell breaks loose in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of this hair Is casino. Yet they remained after giving

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<v Speaker 1>the warning. I take it, Yeah they did. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have been so gone. They actually did remain because um

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<v Speaker 1>one of them testified later on that a guy pushed

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<v Speaker 1>past him going the other way out of the casino

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<v Speaker 1>holding a long knife with blood all over it. So

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<v Speaker 1>this thing, this this casino erupts into a melee. And

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<v Speaker 1>what it happened was, uh, the Mongols, a motorcycle club.

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<v Speaker 1>You might call him a biker gang. That's what some

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<v Speaker 1>people might say, ran into a Hell's Angels. The Hell's

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<v Speaker 1>Angels Motorcycle Club. Yes, and again all hell broke loose

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<v Speaker 1>of melee started. Two Hell's Angels died and one Mongol died,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the old days. Have you seen this? Have

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<v Speaker 1>you seen the security video of it? It's nut still

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I did back when it happened, and

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<v Speaker 1>they go absolutely crazy. Um, but that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when the Hell's Angels encounter another rival group they're

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<v Speaker 1>not too fond of, especially the Mongols. From what I've read,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently there aren't enemies. So we're not going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the Angles today, and maybe another podcast in the works.

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<v Speaker 1>Respect to the Mongols, we don't know within them, seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>we're total squares. We have no affiliation whatsoever now. But

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<v Speaker 1>we do have an article on the site here at

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<v Speaker 1>how stuff works dot com called how the Hell's Angels

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<v Speaker 1>Motorcycle Club Works. Chuck and I kind of cooled it

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<v Speaker 1>up by calling this podcast how the Hell's Angels Work, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what generally most people think of them as

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<v Speaker 1>the Hell's Angels, But that is in fact their full name. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what's adorned on their their jackets and such.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicely done and by the way. Um. I think forty

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<v Speaker 1>two Hell's Angels stood trial for that melee, and all

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<v Speaker 1>but six head charges dropped into plea. Bargain. The government

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to go after these guys and go after

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<v Speaker 1>him and go after him, which we'll find out later

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<v Speaker 1>is a real pattern, um, and couldn't get anything to stick.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the most any of the six guys

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<v Speaker 1>who actually did plea, who got like thirty months something

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<v Speaker 1>like that bad casino behavior pretty much. Yeah right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't kissed the dice before you roll them. Right, So, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the Hell's Angels, man, alright, let's do it, room, room, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>The Hell's Angels, Josh, the little history they were started

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<v Speaker 1>in the Fontana San Bernardino area of California, which, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, I don't know if you know this, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Hell's Angels refer to that chapter as Burdu and

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<v Speaker 1>Burdue was still around. Yeah, oh yeah, they still remain,

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<v Speaker 1>although they said I think I read that most of

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<v Speaker 1>those original Burdue members did migrate north to Oakland, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why a lot of people think that it started

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<v Speaker 1>in Oakland, which is faults. So burd was the first

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<v Speaker 1>chapter who started the best we can tell, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Otto Freedley. Yeah, that's that's in the late nineteen Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and actually he was with another biker gang called the

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<v Speaker 1>piste Off Bastards, and they've gotten into a war with

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<v Speaker 1>another honest. Um, they got in a war with another

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<v Speaker 1>biker gang. And I guess once the war was over, Freedly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm out. I'm gonna go start my own thing. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that could be disappointing bastards. Um, that's uh, right

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<v Speaker 1>after World War Two, right, these guys must have been

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<v Speaker 1>disenchanted um servicemen who couldn't fit back into society. Miscreant pilots, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't there like a bomber squadron called the Hell's Angels? Yeah, Josh.

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<v Speaker 1>That is one of the most common misconceptions is that

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<v Speaker 1>the Hell's Angels were in fact ex servicemen, outlaw pilots

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<v Speaker 1>from World War Two, miscreants, miscreant drinkers, who were you know,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't say answer to anybody, even in the army. Not true,

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<v Speaker 1>because we read it on the Hell's Angel's website. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go into the Hell's Angels website, one guy

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<v Speaker 1>from the Charleston, South Carolina chapter and another guy from

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<v Speaker 1>one of the English chapters got together and did some serious,

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<v Speaker 1>extensive research trying to find out if there was a

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<v Speaker 1>connection between this armor group. And at no point did

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<v Speaker 1>they say, we're not, you know, miscreating drunks. But these

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<v Speaker 1>guys weren't. You know, it's kind of a disservice to

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<v Speaker 1>these uh, actually really highly decorated and very successful bomber

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<v Speaker 1>squadron servicemen. And they couldn't have operated they were miscreants

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<v Speaker 1>and been successful if they were drunks and miscreants know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were highly successful. The closest they found, from

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<v Speaker 1>what I can understand, is that a guy named are

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<v Speaker 1>avaid arvid arvid Olsen was actually in a third pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>group called the Hell's Angels, and he was friends with

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<v Speaker 1>some of the founding members of the Burdoue chapter. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was never a Hell's Angel himself. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the closest they could find for a link between the two.

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<v Speaker 1>They share a name, and that's it. That's it from

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<v Speaker 1>what we can tell. Ye, So false false false false.

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<v Speaker 1>So Chuck, we've got the founding in but the Hell's Angels,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess kind of rode a little under the radar

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<v Speaker 1>until nine team fifty seven, right, yes, when that Oakland

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter was founded. Yeah, that's when they really started rolling,

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<v Speaker 1>right thanks to a guy named sunny Barger, Yes, Ralph

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<v Speaker 1>sunny Barger. He uh, I believe founded the Oakland UM

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter and he wrote a bunch of books that were

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<v Speaker 1>really successful that kind of kind of peeled back the

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<v Speaker 1>curtain behind the Hell's Angels up front. I was reading

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<v Speaker 1>one of them on Google Books today. It's called Hell's Angel,

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<v Speaker 1>The Life and Times of sunny Barger, I think. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's an autobiography because he kept using the word I

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<v Speaker 1>and it was by him, um giveaway for an autobiography

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<v Speaker 1>usually um. And he in his heyday was a very

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<v Speaker 1>cool dude, it sounds like it. And also let me

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<v Speaker 1>let me let me also, um add a caveat to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also aware that he was also a major drug

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<v Speaker 1>trafficker who engaged in violence, um and toward women, towards

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<v Speaker 1>squares like you and me, chuck. Um did all manner

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<v Speaker 1>of bad things. But who's still kind of cool dude. Right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about that too a little bit later about

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<v Speaker 1>the Hell's Angels in whether or not they are uh

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<v Speaker 1>want to run a foul of the law or ride

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<v Speaker 1>you know for charity and stuff like that. Well, what

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to talk about now? Right now, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about um, let's talk about their their colors

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<v Speaker 1>in their insignia and all that stuff. They call it

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<v Speaker 1>their colors much like a military people call their uniform

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<v Speaker 1>their color sometimes. And red and white are the actual

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<v Speaker 1>colors of the letters. It's a red letters in a

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<v Speaker 1>white field. Absolutely. And then the thing at the top

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<v Speaker 1>top patch that actually says Hell's Angels call it the

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<v Speaker 1>top rocker top rocker, right, and then the bottom rocker

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<v Speaker 1>is there, um the name of the city that their

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<v Speaker 1>chapters in right, their chapter location right. And then in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle is what the middle is. The death head

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<v Speaker 1>is what it's called. And that is a copy written

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<v Speaker 1>as death Head it is, and as is their name.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was designed by the San Francisco chapter president,

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Satellac Sedillac. And here's an interesting fact for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that the Hell's Angels motorcycle Club is

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<v Speaker 1>at California Corporation. They're incorporated, and they do jealously guard

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<v Speaker 1>their copyrighted materials, their images, all that stuff. They sued

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<v Speaker 1>Disney for They sued Disney a couple of years ago

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<v Speaker 1>for that movie Wild Hogs about all the middle aged

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<v Speaker 1>bikers Martin Lawrence and Tim Tim Allen and Trivolda and

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<v Speaker 1>William Macy. Just terrible. I'm sure I would have sued too.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you saw it. No, I didn't see it,

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<v Speaker 1>kidding me. I saw that they sued. Yeah, so when

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<v Speaker 1>did they sue over? These guys weren't supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>Hell's Angels, were they? I think so? They sued because

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<v Speaker 1>they said they used the Hell's Angels logo and everything

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<v Speaker 1>without their permission. I don't know if they were specifically.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't wonder if the antagonists were Hell's Angels or something. Maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>But all I know is they sued and I couldn't find.

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<v Speaker 1>As usual, you can never find out what happens with

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<v Speaker 1>the lawsuit. No, it's probably some deal. But yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>sued because they are, like you said, they zealously guard

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<v Speaker 1>their name. And uh they ride Harley Davidson's but apparently

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<v Speaker 1>are not required to do so. No, but it's all

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<v Speaker 1>They almost exclusively ride Harley's. I can't imagine if you

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<v Speaker 1>wheel upon a Honda that they're gonna come on in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>come on in, brother, we'll jump you in prospect um.

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<v Speaker 1>They also apparently a typical member drives about twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>miles a yearly rides, rides. We will get down, say

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<v Speaker 1>that you drive a motorcycle. Yeah, so, Chuck, you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we talked about the patches and and you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen guys wearing them here. They're right. Well, yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>different patches, Like if you're the president of your chapter,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll have a little patch that like the boy Scouts

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<v Speaker 1>sort of. Yeah, and there's all sorts. Oh man, there's

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of other patches and insignia. Sure that um,

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<v Speaker 1>no one outside of the club gang whatever, uh knows

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<v Speaker 1>the meaning of Yeah, I know the A F F

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<v Speaker 1>A is a common one, but we do know the

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<v Speaker 1>meaning of that because that's one of their slogans, which

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<v Speaker 1>is uh angels Forever, Forever angels. And then you'll also

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<v Speaker 1>see eighty one a lot of times. Eight H is

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<v Speaker 1>the eighth letter of the alphabet, and A is the

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<v Speaker 1>first letter, So eight one J Hell's angels. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>they'll say call it like local eighty one. Sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds for like a union. And apparently they also refer

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<v Speaker 1>to themselves as one percenters. I heard about that too, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of the outlaw bikers giving of respectable biker

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<v Speaker 1>is a bad name. Yes, yeah, pretty cool, Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of I told you so, Chuck. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you become a member? Well, Josh, like I said, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to own a working motorcycle. That's probably first, and

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<v Speaker 1>have a driver's license. And have a driver's license. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's funny that those are rules, but it makes sense. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't ever have applied to be a police officer,

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<v Speaker 1>prison guard. I got an a one. You cannot be

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<v Speaker 1>a child molester. Hell's Angels don't like child molesters. They

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<v Speaker 1>really don't. Good for them. Yeah, because you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either. The Hell's Angels have a longstanding hatred

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<v Speaker 1>of the cops. Um and with good cause Pigs as

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<v Speaker 1>they call him. Sure, Um Hunter Thompson are our shared hero.

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<v Speaker 1>Wrote about the Hell's Angels and we can talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that a little more in depth. But um he said

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<v Speaker 1>that he was talking about how the average Hell's Angel

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<v Speaker 1>views the establishment or the law, and he said he

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<v Speaker 1>knows that somewhere behind the moat, the main cop has

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<v Speaker 1>scrawled his name on a blackboard in the big briefing

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<v Speaker 1>room with a notation beside it. Get this boy, give

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<v Speaker 1>him no peace. He's incorrigible like an egg sucking dog.

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<v Speaker 1>So apparently that's how Hell's Angels tend to view um

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<v Speaker 1>the cops. Yeah, why couldn't we get Johnny Depp to

0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.559
<v Speaker 1>have read that wouldn't have been great? Maybe we know, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been great. Uh So back to membership,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to be a member, takes a little while.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it can take a year or more. Yeah, to

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<v Speaker 1>become a full patch member. As they say, so you

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<v Speaker 1>start out as a hang around. Yeah, that's what it's

0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:17.240
<v Speaker 1>just hang around them, but you're you're invited to hang around. Like,

0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you can't just hang around and be a hang around.

0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.839
<v Speaker 1>They'll say, what are you doing here? Uh? Square, get

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<v Speaker 1>out of here, drive your motorcycle on out of here,

0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.560
<v Speaker 1>or they'll hit you over the head of the tire

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<v Speaker 1>iron right can when you drop up in your vol

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<v Speaker 1>foe to hang around? Uh So, yeah, you're you're invited

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<v Speaker 1>to hang around and you can attend uh some events.

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<v Speaker 1>Evidently as a hang around, then you are made an

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<v Speaker 1>associate if you do a good job as a hang around.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you do a good job as a hang around?

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess this is just a guess, But if

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<v Speaker 1>I was a Hell's Angel, I would say that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't cause a lot of trouble, You're fun to be around,

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<v Speaker 1>You bring chicks to the party. Sure, that probably didn't hurt. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So after the hang around you become an associate and

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<v Speaker 1>then what you become a prospect? And this is apparently

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<v Speaker 1>full acknowledgement that you are in the pipeline for official

0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.600
<v Speaker 1>membership consideration. Yeah. Do you remember when we did our

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<v Speaker 1>fight Clubs podcast and we talked about how fight clubs,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in California, often used to like jump in prospects

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<v Speaker 1>into gangs. These would be the people who are on

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<v Speaker 1>their last night. Right. Did they get thrown into like

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<v Speaker 1>a cage match with a bunch of other people and

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine it gets pretty ugly. Yeah, no, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I say. Uh. And actually, if you're in

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<v Speaker 1>a prospect at this point, you can participate in the

0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.520
<v Speaker 1>club activities, but you cannot vote. You don't have voting privileges. Yet.

0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.160
<v Speaker 1>That seems funny, doesn't it that they vote? It's democracy? Yeah?

0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.400
<v Speaker 1>And Josh, what's after that? After that, my friend, you

0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:51.000
<v Speaker 1>are a full patch member. Yep, you are allowed to

0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.200
<v Speaker 1>wear the Death's Head logo. You can wear your top

0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and lower rocker. Yeah, you get your jacket. Yeah, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently and this is this is one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>that it may or may not be lower it could

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<v Speaker 1>be who knows. Apparently, during initiation there is a um

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<v Speaker 1>bucket filled with feces and urine passed around and dumped

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<v Speaker 1>on the person. And they're never allowed to wash their colors,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's on their on their jacket forever. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not fun. No, it's not um. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that this is correct. Apparently, our buddy Hunter T wrote that,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, you get in trouble. He didn't get in trouble.

0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:39.360
<v Speaker 1>He got away with murder. Apparently, not literally. But Sonny

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<v Speaker 1>Barger said that that's just not true. That doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>like to be right. It seems like they would not

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<v Speaker 1>want to desecrate their colors, would be gross. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a thought. Alright, I'll give us some advice if

0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.680
<v Speaker 1>that's what you're doing, guys, not at all. You should

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<v Speaker 1>respect your own colors. Advice for the Hell's Angels from

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Bryant the end. So now you are a full

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<v Speaker 1>patch member, you're in the Alls Angels, and um, you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're a member for life. That's why they say Angels Forever,

0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Forever Angels. There's no retirement. No, there's not. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you're not allowed to associate with the Hell's

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<v Speaker 1>Angels anymore because of your terms of parole, you're still

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<v Speaker 1>considered a Hell's Angel. Yeah. Pretty cool. Yeah, So Chuck, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk a little more about Hunter t He literally

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<v Speaker 1>he literally wrote the book on Hell's Angels and the

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<v Speaker 1>mid sixties early mid sixties. He wrote an article in

0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:36.000
<v Speaker 1>sixty in the Nation, and then that article got book published.

0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.360
<v Speaker 1>A sniffing around say you should write a book on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Sunny Barger also wrote wrote or read that article. He

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<v Speaker 1>liked it and um he said it was a little exaggerated,

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<v Speaker 1>but he liked Thompson's writing style. So when Thompson started

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<v Speaker 1>hanging around some of the bars that the Burdue chapter

0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Oakland chapter hung out at I think it was Oakland. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>They they finally introduced him to Sunny Barger and Barger said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, fine, you can hang out with us

0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.119
<v Speaker 1>um in return for two cakes of beer, which By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, Hunter Thompson never paid up on UM, and

0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Hunter spent the next year hanging out with the Hell's Angels.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently he um helped them unload shipments of meth like

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<v Speaker 1>planeloads of meth. Um. He helped them. He wont on

0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.320
<v Speaker 1>a gun run with them at least once. Uh. When

0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.720
<v Speaker 1>they got into it with the cops, he apparently jumped

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<v Speaker 1>into his car and pulled the trunk catch down on him,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sonny Barger said that that was it. He was

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<v Speaker 1>like after that, I never looked at Hunter Thompson in

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<v Speaker 1>the same way again. He figured out he was a coward,

0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:42.840
<v Speaker 1>but he was also a kind of a skinny guy

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<v Speaker 1>in a literary type. So yeah, I don't think he

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<v Speaker 1>ever claimed to be a wise with the fisticuffs, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why he carried guns. And then finally, this whole

0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:56.200
<v Speaker 1>thing ends, his whole association ends um when Hunter gets

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<v Speaker 1>the crap kicked out of him by the Hell's Angels,

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<v Speaker 1>some of which he considered friends. Right, Yeah, Well, actually

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<v Speaker 1>what I read was that he later said the ones

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<v Speaker 1>who actually did the beating were the ones he wasn't

0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.800
<v Speaker 1>hanging around with the most, and they were sort of

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the fringe there. You know what happened, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I I couldn't find I heard they he made a

0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.080
<v Speaker 1>remark at a party he did, and I couldn't figure out.

0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.679
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find what that remark was. Hell's Angel by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Junkie George had his dog. No, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not Hippie robb Um, although I could see Hippie

0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.879
<v Speaker 1>rob knowing Chunkie George. Um. Anyway, Junkie George had his

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<v Speaker 1>dog with him, and his dog bit him, and Junkie

0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.679
<v Speaker 1>George kicked his dog, and Hunter Thompson walked up to

0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.159
<v Speaker 1>him and said, only punk slapped their old ladies and

0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.080
<v Speaker 1>kicked their dogs. And Junkie George did not like that

0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.920
<v Speaker 1>one bit that started ye, so he um he put

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<v Speaker 1>the smack down on Hunter Thompson. A bunch of other

0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.600
<v Speaker 1>guys jumped in, and Hunter Thompson drove himself to the

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<v Speaker 1>police station. The police turned him away and he drove

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<v Speaker 1>himself to the hospital. He was treated and he never

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<v Speaker 1>hung out with the Hell's Angels again. That was in

0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.359
<v Speaker 1>but he did publish the book Hell's Angels, The Strange

0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and Terrible Saga of the Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs and apparently

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it was exaggerated. But this is where

0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Sonny Barger said he wrote the book for law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 1>Like law enforcement all read it and they're like, oh, well, sure,

0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:16.760
<v Speaker 1>this is what we're dealing with. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it was. Well, gang rape was in there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if that was exaggerated or not. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he witnessed gang rape on more than one occasion and

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<v Speaker 1>that they used it as a form of punishment. And uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that they admitted that it was a form

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<v Speaker 1>of punishment that Hell's Angels did, so I will say

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly here, but it was in the book. Thompson apparently

0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:41.639
<v Speaker 1>also lent his notes to another journalist at least equally good,

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Tom Wolf. Yes, of the of

0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.760
<v Speaker 1>the Right Stuff fame, as well as the electric Koliate

0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.960
<v Speaker 1>asseid tests. Yes. Um, the Hell's Angels factor hugely in

0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the electric koal Aid asset test, which is actually about

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<v Speaker 1>the Mary pranksters. And uh, I think in nineteen sixty five,

0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the Hell's Angels went to the Lee, Oakland border and

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<v Speaker 1>beat the tar out of some lefty anti war protesters.

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<v Speaker 1>College students beat him up and then vowed to break

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<v Speaker 1>up any anti war demonstration they ever came across um

0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:19.119
<v Speaker 1>So Hunter. Apparently it took um Alan Ginsburg the poet

0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.119
<v Speaker 1>and Ken Kizi, the leader of the Mary Pranksters, and

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<v Speaker 1>introduced him to Sonny Barger, then went off his own way.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, that meeting kind of made peace between the

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<v Speaker 1>hippies and the Hell's Angels famously. Yeah, and I think

0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Ginsberg even wrote a poem about the Hell's Angels. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find it though, Okay, but I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to see you didn't dream that. Yeah, man, it was

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.040
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful poem. Now he really did write a poem though, Okay,

0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.000
<v Speaker 1>it's funny thing about Alan Ginsberg hanging out with the

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:55.679
<v Speaker 1>Hell's Angels. It's really weird, especially like the head Hell's Angel. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, Sonny Barger said that he loved acid and

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<v Speaker 1>it was the one thing he his people in the

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<v Speaker 1>hippies had in common, are one of the main things.

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<v Speaker 1>And they did plenty of the acid tests that La

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<v Speaker 1>Honda and Stid all sorts of crazy stuff with the prankster. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the days. Huh, those were the days. And actually,

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<v Speaker 1>let me say another thing about law enforcement. Apparently, when

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter Thompson was hanging out with the Hell's Angels there,

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<v Speaker 1>um their their influence and their membership was drastically on

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<v Speaker 1>the wing. And then a guy named Thomas Lynch, who

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<v Speaker 1>was the Attorney General for California at the time, he

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<v Speaker 1>issues a report on the Hell's Angels and it is

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:41.880
<v Speaker 1>ridiculous and bloated and exaggerated, and but apparently it just

0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.440
<v Speaker 1>blew up the Hell's Angel street cred and all of

0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.360
<v Speaker 1>a sudden they were just their members. They have more

0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.399
<v Speaker 1>members than ever after that report. Yeah, so sometimes it

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:53.040
<v Speaker 1>works against you when you try and quash something. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we should talk about some of the good

0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>they do and some of the bad they've done, because

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.080
<v Speaker 1>there's the fight an opinion the Hell's Angels. Uh, they

0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.160
<v Speaker 1>raised money for charity. They're famous for their uh their

0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:07.800
<v Speaker 1>work with the Toys for Tots and they do charity

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 1>rides and stuff like that over the years, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think they've cleaned up their act a lot, probably now

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<v Speaker 1>compared to what it was like in the sixties. But

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<v Speaker 1>they've had some scrapes with the law many many times

0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:24.600
<v Speaker 1>along the way, uh, notably at Altamont Speedway that was

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<v Speaker 1>a big one. Yeah, we can't talk about the Hell's

0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Angels without talking about this. This was the ultimont free

0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:33.360
<v Speaker 1>concert and it was famously recorded in the concert film

0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Gimme Shelter. It was apparently the day the sixties died?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what they say? Is that that what that

0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.720
<v Speaker 1>stupid song is about from that guy American Pie. Yeah,

0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:44.480
<v Speaker 1>he's not talking about that now, that's about the death

0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.800
<v Speaker 1>of Buddy Holly. That's the day the music died. Either him.

0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I hate that song. Anyone who can listen, sit still,

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:53.400
<v Speaker 1>sit down and listen to that song all the way through,

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<v Speaker 1>right in. And I've got a prize for you. You're

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<v Speaker 1>a special person. I forget to send you information the

0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Hell's Angels. So back to altamont Um. It was a

0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 1>free concert there and a bunch of bands played, Jefferson

0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Airplane and the Rolling Stones. The Dead was supposed to play.

0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.960
<v Speaker 1>They helicoptered in and then by that time things had

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.439
<v Speaker 1>gone south. Well, yeah, they the Stones helicoptered into and

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 1>what happened was the Stones hired the Hell's Angels. Although

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.359
<v Speaker 1>there's been back and forth over the years that whether

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:24.480
<v Speaker 1>or not they were hired for the show by the

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.880
<v Speaker 1>organizers or whether the Stones specifically hired them as their

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:31.320
<v Speaker 1>personal security, and it's a he he said, she said

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.520
<v Speaker 1>type of deal with the Stones saying we did not

0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.640
<v Speaker 1>hire them specifically, and the Hell's Angel saying, yes you did.

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.200
<v Speaker 1>You said you'd give us five with a beer if

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.760
<v Speaker 1>you we would, we would be your bodyguards. So they

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<v Speaker 1>show up. They parked their bikes between the audience and

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<v Speaker 1>the stage. Stones go on and actually before this happened

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 1>that the violence had been escalating at this at this

0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.960
<v Speaker 1>show free show in the sixties at Altamont, it was

0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.399
<v Speaker 1>not good. There were I think two or three deaths

0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and numerous fights and beatings breaking out, and one of

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:08.440
<v Speaker 1>the Hell's Angels smacked down Marty Balan of Jefferson Airplane

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>knocked him unconscious. The Grateful Dead see this and they're like,

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 1>we are out of here. This is not our scene

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:17.479
<v Speaker 1>and we're not gonna play and we're leaving, and they

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>got back on their little helicopter and left. Have you

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.480
<v Speaker 1>seen that footage? And uh, yeah, give me shelter is great.

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>If if you guys haven't seen that, you should definitely

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:29.160
<v Speaker 1>watch it. Um. So back to the Stones. Stones take stage,

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.879
<v Speaker 1>things start to devolve into violence and a guy named

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Meredith Hunter pulls a gun, points it at the stage

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and you can see all this in the film, and

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 1>he gets jumped and stabbed to death by Alan Pizzaro,

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:47.480
<v Speaker 1>a Hell's Angel, famously, and the concert stopped. And you know,

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the Stones had a pretty awful time with the pr

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 1>obviously about this. And apparently the Hell's Angels um were

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:56.000
<v Speaker 1>exposed for plotting to kill Mick Jagger for criticizing them

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 1>after that. Yeah, true, and uh Pissarrow actually got off

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Scott Free Equitt. Yeah, because the film clearly showed that

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 1>that that guy had a gun and he did pull it,

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 1>and so he was the aiming it. They don't know.

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 1>They said it was towards the stage, and um, you

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 1>can't really tell from the footage from what I remember,

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 1>but um, you know, the reports were that he was

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:20.919
<v Speaker 1>going to kill the Rolling Stones, which I didn't know

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>that that was gonna happen by then. So the Hell's

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Angels already had a pretty rough reputation. This is this

0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 1>just cements it, right, So they just kind of go

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 1>balls out. Um, which is a motorcycle term and not

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>a vulgar expression. By the way. We learned that um

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and uh by throughout the seventies, they own the market

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:46.400
<v Speaker 1>on meth amphetam means yeah, apparently just the burd dude

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:49.439
<v Speaker 1>chapter alone. This is a law enforcement estimate from nineteen

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 1>seventy nine, right after they staged a raid on that

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 1>chapter's clubhouse, where Sunny Barger was right um that this

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:03.120
<v Speaker 1>this chapter alone controlled five meth labs that could make

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>a hundred and sixty thousand dollars or the pills a day. Wow,

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and this is nine man. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. So

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>they don't call it like biker speed for nothing. It

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 1>was because the bikers, specifically the Hell's Angels, cornered the

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.159
<v Speaker 1>market meth am fed amine in the seventies. They're also

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 1>they also sold, allegedly sold cocaine, heroin, pretty much anything. Sure,

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 1>prostitution was a big one apparently. And over the years

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>they've been um indicted and accused and booked for everything

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:40.720
<v Speaker 1>from rape to to murder. Sonny Barger himself was in

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 1>federal prison for four years for conspiring to blow up

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.119
<v Speaker 1>a rival gangs clubhouse. I don't know what the gang was,

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:50.640
<v Speaker 1>probably the Mongols is my guess. And so yeah, they've

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 1>run a foul the law quite a bit over the years,

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>they definitely do. But if you'll notice Sonny Barger got

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.199
<v Speaker 1>four years in federal pent right, you never hear about

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>a Hell's Angel being put by God. You would hear

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.439
<v Speaker 1>about it if it happened. Yeah, I would imagine you

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 1>would never hear about them getting life imprisonment. So you

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>start to give the impression after everything you hear about

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.360
<v Speaker 1>the Hell's Angels, but then these pittily convictions that are

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>slapped against them that maybe they are right in thinking

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 1>that law enforcement and the establishment has it out for him.

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I think they definitely have it out for him, and

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 1>they probably have participated in illegal activities throughout the years.

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>But it's a big organization, and like you said, if

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>there's you know, a small handful of of actual convictions

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 1>compared to their vast history, that's, you know, that's not

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>too bad because it's not saying they're great guys or anything,

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>but it's not like they've been run up on, like

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>you said, murder charges like all over the place. Although

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>last this week they were in the news the the

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Vegas cops rated six Hell's Angels locations in Las Vegas

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and they seized records and knives and evidence, because last

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 1>year there was a brawl once again between the Mongols

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>and Hell's Angels, and I think two people were stabbed.

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Allow me to interrupt if we have anything to impart

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>in this podcast, it's if you ever find yourself in

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>the same room, the same building, the same parking lot,

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.160
<v Speaker 1>same town as a bunch of Mongols and a bunch

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>of Hell's Angels, get out. Do you know what happened

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:20.880
<v Speaker 1>in Vegas? Oh, it's actually kind of funny. Huh. Two

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>people were stabs, so it's not funny. But that was

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.439
<v Speaker 1>at a They both show up at a they were

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 1>double booked at a wedding chapel, a Mongol wedding. Oh yeah,

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a Hell's Angel's wedding. We're both booked at the same

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>wedding chapel at the same time. Not good, No, And

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure the person who booked that didn't wasn't brought

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>up on charges or anything. And in fact, they're probably

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the ones that originally are to blame. They sat back

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 1>and went exactly right. So, Chuck, what started out in

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Burdou and then blew up in Oakland has grown into

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 1>like a worldwide organization. Whether or not it's an outlaw,

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>biker gang or whatever. Um, they have a legitimate chapters

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 1>in how many countries? Twenty nine countries? How many chapters?

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Want more than a hundred? Yeah, in all sorts of

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>places too. I think in nineteen eighty four they had

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>their first South American chapter open in Rio. Now they

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>have them in Um, Greece, Russia, Czech Republic, Wales, Luxembourg, Luxembourg,

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>the Luxemburghs Angels. Yeah, and that's money to me. Apparently

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>the ones in Europe are going nuts these days. There's

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a huge turf woar that's been ongoing in Scandinavia. Australia

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>is having real problems with them too. Um. And there's

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>things like, you know, rocket launchers showing up, grenades being

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>used like in these gang wars. Yeah, that's not in

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the like the old days with knives and fists. Rocket

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>launcher Yeah, yeah, that's a different deal. I told Joe Square.

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 1>The first chapter outside the US web was in New

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Zealand in ninette. And little known fact, George Harrison of

0:29:55.840 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 1>the Beatles God Rest his Soul is allegedly responsible for

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>bringing the Hell's Angels to England. Yeah. He invited a

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 1>couple vide a couple of dudes that he met in

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>San Francisco viting them over in England. They come over

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>and hang out and boom, a London Hell's Angels chapter

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>pops up afterwards. Pretty cool or is it? I don't know.

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>And right now Poland and Iceland are currently seeking chapter.

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So good luck to Iceland, that's what I say, Poland, Yes, alright,

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>good luck with that. So that's the Hell's Angels. I'm

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 1>quite sure that there's a lot, a lot, you could

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>even say a hell of a lot more information out

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>there that will never find out because again, Chuck and

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I are squares who will never get to hang out

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 1>with the Hell's angel ever, mainly because we don't want

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>to get beat up. Yeah. I'm not a big fan

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>of throwing punches or taking them on the chin. It's

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>just not me. I'm a fan of running away. Um,

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 1>if you want to learn a little more about The

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Hell's Angels, you can take that into the handy search

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 1>bar at how stuff works dot com. Uh. You might

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>also want to you go onto the Hell's Angels Motor

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Club website. It's pretty interesting. It's got links to other

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>chapters two and also congratulations uh to the Burdue chapter

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>on their sixtieth anniversary, which and um, since I said

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>the Burdu chapter, I guess that means it's time for

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 1>listener mate. Yes, indeed, Josh, I have a couple of

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>corrections here for a change that we're going to acknowledge. Well,

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>we haven't read corrections in a while. First of all,

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>if I want to say that Bernie Gets, Bernard Gets

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>is not a serial killer, I mistakenly said that and

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 1>pre killer right. He didn't kill anyone. He shot some

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>guys in New York and no one died, and he

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>was not even convicted of attempted murder or anything. And

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 1>he's still alive and living in New York. And I

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 1>feel like a big jerk because I got him confused

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>with Charles Bronson and death Witch. I was dead wrong,

0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and I'm man enough to admit it. I'm sorry Bernard Gets,

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>you didn't. You're not a real killer, obviously, so I

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>apologize for that. We had angry people right in about

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>that dude. That one lady man, it's like Bernie Gets

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>his sister or something. I think she was she was scared.

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>But I do feel bad because that's not right. Uh.

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>We have a quick correction. Remember the toling Get Indians

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>that we were trying to pronounce. Apparently it's pronounced clinkett.

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>And we had people right in from Alaska. Matthew actually

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Matthews from Seattle, Washington. He wrote in and says it's

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>pronounced clink clink up. So there he had that. Thanks,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.719
<v Speaker 1>And then finally we have another correction. I remember when

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I said about the Amish not being able to listen

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>to us rooms spring up and that if they actually

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>wrote in they would be liars. I'm not true because

0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>of what rum. Yes, we had a farmer, John of

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>New York right in and said that we had a

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 1>few people write in on this. The Amish, every Amish teenager,

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>nearly every homist teenager goes on rum spring out where

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>they effectively leave the community and live with us regular

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>English folks, Americans for a period of time, and they

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>are free to indulge in the things that American kids

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>indulge in, drugs, drinking, smoking, whatever if they want. And

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>podcast podcast listening is is definitely one. So evidently we

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>could very well have been heard by an Amish person.

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Here's my argument to that. Okay, so they go on

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>rump springing to decide whether they want to live with

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the English or stay in Amish. Sure during this period,

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, they're in some sort of middle ground

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>between the two, so they're technically not Amish. So if

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>one of them on rum spring I heard this, send

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>it in and be like, dude, you haven't made your

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 1>decision yet, I don't want to hear it from me.

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Or what if they heard our podcast and we're so

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>taken with it they refused to go back to the

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Amish lifestyle, or if they heard it and hated it

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>so much they went screaming back to Mom and Paul sportily.

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 1>So thank you. Farmer John in New York, he says, ps,

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not Amish, but I'm a lowly cal farmer. Although

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>rum spring it would be pretty sweet, that's what he says. Yeah,

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>So I encourage John just go on his own room springing.

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I went on my own room springing. I'm still online. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a story about your own personal rum

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.239
<v Speaker 1>spring of whether you were Amish or not, you can

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