1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: the podcast, room Room, etcetera. I'm Josh Clark. With me 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: is always as Charles W Chuck Bryant. That may have 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: been the most realistic Harley Davidson impression made by human mouth. Thanks, Room, Room, etcetera. Yeah, 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: I was practicing that. It's good. So Chuck, how are 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: you doing? Oh? I'm good dude. About to start the 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: old Thanksgiving break vacation. I know this is the last 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: thing we have to do and then a week off. 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: But this will probably come out after thank Giving people 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, weird, weird. Indeed, Hey, can I 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: take you back in time? We don't have to go 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: the way back machine. I'm just going to paint a 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: picture for you, all right. So, a balmy Saturday night, 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: April seventh, two two. Do you know where you were? 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: I was living in Los Angeles, Okay, so it probably 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: wasn't balmy for me. Okay, It's probably clear and cool, 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: all right. Well, not too far away from where you were, 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: in a town called Laughlin, Nevada. There is a hair 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: Is casino and on that night a couple of guys 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: who were there for the Lafflin River Run. It's a 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: motorcycle uh run ride right, guy named Jeff King and 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Walter Boosts to two buddies, just normal guys. We're walking 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: into the casino. The hair is at um Laughlin and 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: this burly guy pushed past him and said that they'd 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: better get the blank out of the way, because trouble's 28 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: about to happen. Sure enough, within two minutes, King and 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: Boost here, Uh two shots fired, and then another shot 30 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: and then all holy hell breaks loose in the middle 31 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: of this hair Is casino. Yet they remained after giving 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: the warning. I take it, Yeah they did. I would 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: have been so gone. They actually did remain because um 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: one of them testified later on that a guy pushed 35 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: past him going the other way out of the casino 36 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: holding a long knife with blood all over it. So 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: this thing, this this casino erupts into a melee. And 38 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: what it happened was, uh, the Mongols, a motorcycle club. 39 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: You might call him a biker gang. That's what some 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: people might say, ran into a Hell's Angels. The Hell's 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: Angels Motorcycle Club. Yes, and again all hell broke loose 42 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: of melee started. Two Hell's Angels died and one Mongol died, 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: just like the old days. Have you seen this? Have 44 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: you seen the security video of it? It's nut still 45 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: you know what I did back when it happened, and 46 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: they go absolutely crazy. Um, but that's kind of what 47 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: happens when the Hell's Angels encounter another rival group they're 48 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: not too fond of, especially the Mongols. From what I've read, 49 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: apparently there aren't enemies. So we're not going to talk 50 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: about the Angles today, and maybe another podcast in the works. 51 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: Respect to the Mongols, we don't know within them, seriously, 52 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: we're total squares. We have no affiliation whatsoever now. But 53 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: we do have an article on the site here at 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com called how the Hell's Angels 55 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: Motorcycle Club Works. Chuck and I kind of cooled it 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: up by calling this podcast how the Hell's Angels Work, right, Yeah, 57 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: And that's what generally most people think of them as 58 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: the Hell's Angels, But that is in fact their full name. Yes, 59 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: and that's what's adorned on their their jackets and such. 60 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: Nicely done and by the way. Um. I think forty 61 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: two Hell's Angels stood trial for that melee, and all 62 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: but six head charges dropped into plea. Bargain. The government 63 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: was trying to go after these guys and go after 64 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: him and go after him, which we'll find out later 65 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: is a real pattern, um, and couldn't get anything to stick. 66 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: And I think the most any of the six guys 67 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: who actually did plea, who got like thirty months something 68 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: like that bad casino behavior pretty much. Yeah right, yeah, 69 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: they didn't kissed the dice before you roll them. Right, So, Chuck, 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: let's talk about the Hell's Angels, man, alright, let's do it, room, room, etcetera. 71 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: The Hell's Angels, Josh, the little history they were started 72 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: in the Fontana San Bernardino area of California, which, by 73 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: the way, I don't know if you know this, but 74 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: the Hell's Angels refer to that chapter as Burdu and 75 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: Burdue was still around. Yeah, oh yeah, they still remain, 76 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: although they said I think I read that most of 77 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: those original Burdue members did migrate north to Oakland, which 78 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: is why a lot of people think that it started 79 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: in Oakland, which is faults. So burd was the first 80 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: chapter who started the best we can tell, a guy 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: named Otto Freedley. Yeah, that's that's in the late nineteen Yeah, 82 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: and actually he was with another biker gang called the 83 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: piste Off Bastards, and they've gotten into a war with 84 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: another honest. Um, they got in a war with another 85 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: biker gang. And I guess once the war was over, Freedly, 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm gonna go start my own thing. Right, 87 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: maybe that could be disappointing bastards. Um, that's uh, right 88 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: after World War Two, right, these guys must have been 89 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: disenchanted um servicemen who couldn't fit back into society. Miscreant pilots, right, Yeah, 90 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: wasn't there like a bomber squadron called the Hell's Angels? Yeah, Josh. 91 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: That is one of the most common misconceptions is that 92 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: the Hell's Angels were in fact ex servicemen, outlaw pilots 93 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: from World War Two, miscreants, miscreant drinkers, who were you know, 94 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: didn't say answer to anybody, even in the army. Not true, 95 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: because we read it on the Hell's Angel's website. Yeah, 96 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: if you go into the Hell's Angels website, one guy 97 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: from the Charleston, South Carolina chapter and another guy from 98 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: one of the English chapters got together and did some serious, 99 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: extensive research trying to find out if there was a 100 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: connection between this armor group. And at no point did 101 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: they say, we're not, you know, miscreating drunks. But these 102 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: guys weren't. You know, it's kind of a disservice to 103 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: these uh, actually really highly decorated and very successful bomber 104 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: squadron servicemen. And they couldn't have operated they were miscreants 105 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: and been successful if they were drunks and miscreants know, 106 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: and they were highly successful. The closest they found, from 107 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: what I can understand, is that a guy named are 108 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: avaid arvid arvid Olsen was actually in a third pursuit 109 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: group called the Hell's Angels, and he was friends with 110 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: some of the founding members of the Burdoue chapter. UM, 111 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: but he was never a Hell's Angel himself. And that's 112 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: the closest they could find for a link between the two. 113 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: They share a name, and that's it. That's it from 114 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: what we can tell. Ye, So false false false false. 115 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: So Chuck, we've got the founding in but the Hell's Angels, 116 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: I guess kind of rode a little under the radar 117 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: until nine team fifty seven, right, yes, when that Oakland 118 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: Chapter was founded. Yeah, that's when they really started rolling, 119 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: right thanks to a guy named sunny Barger, Yes, Ralph 120 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: sunny Barger. He uh, I believe founded the Oakland UM 121 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: Chapter and he wrote a bunch of books that were 122 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: really successful that kind of kind of peeled back the 123 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: curtain behind the Hell's Angels up front. I was reading 124 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: one of them on Google Books today. It's called Hell's Angel, 125 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: The Life and Times of sunny Barger, I think. And 126 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: it's an autobiography because he kept using the word I 127 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: and it was by him, um giveaway for an autobiography 128 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: usually um. And he in his heyday was a very 129 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: cool dude, it sounds like it. And also let me 130 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: let me let me also, um add a caveat to that. 131 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm also aware that he was also a major drug 132 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: trafficker who engaged in violence, um and toward women, towards 133 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: squares like you and me, chuck. Um did all manner 134 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: of bad things. But who's still kind of cool dude. Right. Yeah, 135 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that too a little bit later about 136 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: the Hell's Angels in whether or not they are uh 137 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,559 Speaker 1: want to run a foul of the law or ride 138 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: you know for charity and stuff like that. Well, what 139 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: are we going to talk about now? Right now, we're 140 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: gonna talk about um, let's talk about their their colors 141 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: in their insignia and all that stuff. They call it 142 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: their colors much like a military people call their uniform 143 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: their color sometimes. And red and white are the actual 144 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: colors of the letters. It's a red letters in a 145 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: white field. Absolutely. And then the thing at the top 146 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: top patch that actually says Hell's Angels call it the 147 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: top rocker top rocker, right, and then the bottom rocker 148 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: is there, um the name of the city that their 149 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: chapters in right, their chapter location right. And then in 150 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: the middle is what the middle is. The death head 151 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: is what it's called. And that is a copy written 152 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: as death Head it is, and as is their name. 153 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: And that was designed by the San Francisco chapter president, 154 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: Frank Satellac Sedillac. And here's an interesting fact for you. 155 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: Did you know that the Hell's Angels motorcycle Club is 156 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: at California Corporation. They're incorporated, and they do jealously guard 157 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: their copyrighted materials, their images, all that stuff. They sued 158 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: Disney for They sued Disney a couple of years ago 159 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: for that movie Wild Hogs about all the middle aged 160 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: bikers Martin Lawrence and Tim Tim Allen and Trivolda and 161 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: William Macy. Just terrible. I'm sure I would have sued too. 162 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: I can't believe you saw it. No, I didn't see it, 163 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: kidding me. I saw that they sued. Yeah, so when 164 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: did they sue over? These guys weren't supposed to be 165 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: Hell's Angels, were they? I think so? They sued because 166 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: they said they used the Hell's Angels logo and everything 167 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: without their permission. I don't know if they were specifically. 168 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: I don't wonder if the antagonists were Hell's Angels or something. Maybe, 169 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: But all I know is they sued and I couldn't find. 170 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: As usual, you can never find out what happens with 171 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: the lawsuit. No, it's probably some deal. But yeah, they 172 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: sued because they are, like you said, they zealously guard 173 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: their name. And uh they ride Harley Davidson's but apparently 174 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: are not required to do so. No, but it's all 175 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: They almost exclusively ride Harley's. I can't imagine if you 176 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: wheel upon a Honda that they're gonna come on in. Yeah, 177 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: come on in, brother, we'll jump you in prospect um. 178 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: They also apparently a typical member drives about twenty thousand 179 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: miles a yearly rides, rides. We will get down, say 180 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: that you drive a motorcycle. Yeah, so, Chuck, you've seen 181 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the patches and and you've 182 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: seen guys wearing them here. They're right. Well, yeah, there's 183 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: different patches, Like if you're the president of your chapter, 184 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: you'll have a little patch that like the boy Scouts 185 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: sort of. Yeah, and there's all sorts. Oh man, there's 186 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: all sorts of other patches and insignia. Sure that um, 187 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: no one outside of the club gang whatever, uh knows 188 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: the meaning of Yeah, I know the A F F 189 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: A is a common one, but we do know the 190 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: meaning of that because that's one of their slogans, which 191 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: is uh angels Forever, Forever angels. And then you'll also 192 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: see eighty one a lot of times. Eight H is 193 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: the eighth letter of the alphabet, and A is the 194 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: first letter, So eight one J Hell's angels. Yeah, and 195 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: they'll say call it like local eighty one. Sometimes it 196 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: sounds for like a union. And apparently they also refer 197 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: to themselves as one percenters. I heard about that too, Yeah, 198 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: one percent of the outlaw bikers giving of respectable biker 199 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: is a bad name. Yes, yeah, pretty cool, Yeah, it 200 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: is kind of I told you so, Chuck. How do 201 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: you become a member? Well, Josh, like I said, you 202 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: need to own a working motorcycle. That's probably first, and 203 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: have a driver's license. And have a driver's license. That's 204 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: that's funny that those are rules, but it makes sense. Also, 205 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: you can't ever have applied to be a police officer, 206 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: prison guard. I got an a one. You cannot be 207 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: a child molester. Hell's Angels don't like child molesters. They 208 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: really don't. Good for them. Yeah, because you know what 209 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't either. The Hell's Angels have a longstanding hatred 210 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: of the cops. Um and with good cause Pigs as 211 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: they call him. Sure, Um Hunter Thompson are our shared hero. 212 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: Wrote about the Hell's Angels and we can talk about 213 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: that a little more in depth. But um he said 214 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: that he was talking about how the average Hell's Angel 215 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: views the establishment or the law, and he said he 216 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: knows that somewhere behind the moat, the main cop has 217 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: scrawled his name on a blackboard in the big briefing 218 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: room with a notation beside it. Get this boy, give 219 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: him no peace. He's incorrigible like an egg sucking dog. 220 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: So apparently that's how Hell's Angels tend to view um 221 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: the cops. Yeah, why couldn't we get Johnny Depp to 222 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: have read that wouldn't have been great? Maybe we know, No, 223 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: that would have been great. Uh So back to membership, 224 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: if you want to be a member, takes a little while. 225 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes it can take a year or more. Yeah, to 226 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: become a full patch member. As they say, so you 227 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: start out as a hang around. Yeah, that's what it's 228 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: just hang around them, but you're you're invited to hang around. Like, 229 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: you can't just hang around and be a hang around. 230 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: They'll say, what are you doing here? Uh? Square, get 231 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: out of here, drive your motorcycle on out of here, 232 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: or they'll hit you over the head of the tire 233 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: iron right can when you drop up in your vol 234 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: foe to hang around? Uh So, yeah, you're you're invited 235 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: to hang around and you can attend uh some events. 236 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: Evidently as a hang around, then you are made an 237 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: associate if you do a good job as a hang around. 238 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: How do you do a good job as a hang around? 239 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: I would guess this is just a guess, But if 240 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: I was a Hell's Angel, I would say that you 241 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: don't cause a lot of trouble, You're fun to be around, 242 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: You bring chicks to the party. Sure, that probably didn't hurt. Okay, 243 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: So after the hang around you become an associate and 244 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: then what you become a prospect? And this is apparently 245 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: full acknowledgement that you are in the pipeline for official 246 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: membership consideration. Yeah. Do you remember when we did our 247 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: fight Clubs podcast and we talked about how fight clubs, 248 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: especially in California, often used to like jump in prospects 249 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: into gangs. These would be the people who are on 250 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: their last night. Right. Did they get thrown into like 251 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: a cage match with a bunch of other people and 252 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: I imagine it gets pretty ugly. Yeah, no, thank you, 253 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: that's what I say. Uh. And actually, if you're in 254 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: a prospect at this point, you can participate in the 255 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: club activities, but you cannot vote. You don't have voting privileges. Yet. 256 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: That seems funny, doesn't it that they vote? It's democracy? Yeah? 257 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: And Josh, what's after that? After that, my friend, you 258 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: are a full patch member. Yep, you are allowed to 259 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: wear the Death's Head logo. You can wear your top 260 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: and lower rocker. Yeah, you get your jacket. Yeah, and um, 261 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: apparently and this is this is one of those things 262 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: that it may or may not be lower it could 263 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: be who knows. Apparently, during initiation there is a um 264 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: bucket filled with feces and urine passed around and dumped 265 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: on the person. And they're never allowed to wash their colors, 266 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: so that's on their on their jacket forever. Well, that's 267 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: not fun. No, it's not um. And I don't think 268 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: that this is correct. Apparently, our buddy Hunter T wrote that, 269 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: and um, you get in trouble. He didn't get in trouble. 270 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: He got away with murder. Apparently, not literally. But Sonny 271 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: Barger said that that's just not true. That doesn't sound 272 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: like to be right. It seems like they would not 273 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: want to desecrate their colors, would be gross. Yeah, it's 274 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: just a thought. Alright, I'll give us some advice if 275 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: that's what you're doing, guys, not at all. You should 276 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: respect your own colors. Advice for the Hell's Angels from 277 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant the end. So now you are a full 278 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: patch member, you're in the Alls Angels, and um, you're 279 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: you're a member for life. That's why they say Angels Forever, 280 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: Forever Angels. There's no retirement. No, there's not. And uh, 281 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: even if you're not allowed to associate with the Hell's 282 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: Angels anymore because of your terms of parole, you're still 283 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: considered a Hell's Angel. Yeah. Pretty cool. Yeah, So Chuck, Um, 284 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: let's talk a little more about Hunter t He literally 285 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: he literally wrote the book on Hell's Angels and the 286 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: mid sixties early mid sixties. He wrote an article in 287 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: sixty in the Nation, and then that article got book published. 288 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: A sniffing around say you should write a book on this. 289 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: Sunny Barger also wrote wrote or read that article. He 290 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: liked it and um he said it was a little exaggerated, 291 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: but he liked Thompson's writing style. So when Thompson started 292 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: hanging around some of the bars that the Burdue chapter 293 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: Oakland chapter hung out at I think it was Oakland. Um. 294 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: They they finally introduced him to Sunny Barger and Barger said, 295 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: you know what, fine, you can hang out with us 296 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: um in return for two cakes of beer, which By 297 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: the way, Hunter Thompson never paid up on UM, and 298 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: Hunter spent the next year hanging out with the Hell's Angels. 299 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: Apparently he um helped them unload shipments of meth like 300 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: planeloads of meth. Um. He helped them. He wont on 301 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: a gun run with them at least once. Uh. When 302 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: they got into it with the cops, he apparently jumped 303 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: into his car and pulled the trunk catch down on him, 304 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: and Sonny Barger said that that was it. He was 305 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: like after that, I never looked at Hunter Thompson in 306 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: the same way again. He figured out he was a coward, 307 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: but he was also a kind of a skinny guy 308 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: in a literary type. So yeah, I don't think he 309 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: ever claimed to be a wise with the fisticuffs, which 310 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: is why he carried guns. And then finally, this whole 311 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: thing ends, his whole association ends um when Hunter gets 312 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: the crap kicked out of him by the Hell's Angels, 313 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: some of which he considered friends. Right, Yeah, Well, actually 314 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: what I read was that he later said the ones 315 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: who actually did the beating were the ones he wasn't 316 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: hanging around with the most, and they were sort of 317 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: on the on the fringe there. You know what happened, well, 318 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: I I couldn't find I heard they he made a 319 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: remark at a party he did, and I couldn't figure out. 320 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: I couldn't find what that remark was. Hell's Angel by 321 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: the name of Junkie George had his dog. No, this 322 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: is not Hippie robb Um, although I could see Hippie 323 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: rob knowing Chunkie George. Um. Anyway, Junkie George had his 324 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: dog with him, and his dog bit him, and Junkie 325 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: George kicked his dog, and Hunter Thompson walked up to 326 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: him and said, only punk slapped their old ladies and 327 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: kicked their dogs. And Junkie George did not like that 328 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: one bit that started ye, so he um he put 329 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: the smack down on Hunter Thompson. A bunch of other 330 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: guys jumped in, and Hunter Thompson drove himself to the 331 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: police station. The police turned him away and he drove 332 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: himself to the hospital. He was treated and he never 333 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: hung out with the Hell's Angels again. That was in 334 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: but he did publish the book Hell's Angels, The Strange 335 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: and Terrible Saga of the Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs and apparently 336 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: a lot of it was exaggerated. But this is where 337 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: Sonny Barger said he wrote the book for law enforcement, 338 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: Like law enforcement all read it and they're like, oh, well, sure, 339 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: this is what we're dealing with. And a lot of 340 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: it was. Well, gang rape was in there, and I 341 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: don't know if that was exaggerated or not. He said 342 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: he witnessed gang rape on more than one occasion and 343 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: that they used it as a form of punishment. And uh. 344 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: He said that they admitted that it was a form 345 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: of punishment that Hell's Angels did, so I will say 346 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: allegedly here, but it was in the book. Thompson apparently 347 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: also lent his notes to another journalist at least equally good, 348 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: by the name of Tom Wolf. Yes, of the of 349 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: the Right Stuff fame, as well as the electric Koliate 350 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: asseid tests. Yes. Um, the Hell's Angels factor hugely in 351 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: the electric koal Aid asset test, which is actually about 352 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: the Mary pranksters. And uh, I think in nineteen sixty five, 353 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: the Hell's Angels went to the Lee, Oakland border and 354 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: beat the tar out of some lefty anti war protesters. 355 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: College students beat him up and then vowed to break 356 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: up any anti war demonstration they ever came across um 357 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: So Hunter. Apparently it took um Alan Ginsburg the poet 358 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: and Ken Kizi, the leader of the Mary Pranksters, and 359 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: introduced him to Sonny Barger, then went off his own way. 360 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: And uh, that meeting kind of made peace between the 361 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: hippies and the Hell's Angels famously. Yeah, and I think 362 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: Ginsberg even wrote a poem about the Hell's Angels. Yeah, yeah, 363 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: I couldn't find it though, Okay, but I would like 364 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: to see you didn't dream that. Yeah, man, it was 365 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: a beautiful poem. Now he really did write a poem though, Okay, 366 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: it's funny thing about Alan Ginsberg hanging out with the 367 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: Hell's Angels. It's really weird, especially like the head Hell's Angel. Yeah, yeah, 368 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, Sonny Barger said that he loved acid and 369 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: it was the one thing he his people in the 370 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: hippies had in common, are one of the main things. 371 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: And they did plenty of the acid tests that La 372 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: Honda and Stid all sorts of crazy stuff with the prankster. Yeah. 373 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: Those are the days. Huh, those were the days. And actually, 374 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: let me say another thing about law enforcement. Apparently, when 375 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: Hunter Thompson was hanging out with the Hell's Angels there, 376 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: um their their influence and their membership was drastically on 377 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: the wing. And then a guy named Thomas Lynch, who 378 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: was the Attorney General for California at the time, he 379 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: issues a report on the Hell's Angels and it is 380 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: ridiculous and bloated and exaggerated, and but apparently it just 381 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: blew up the Hell's Angel street cred and all of 382 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: a sudden they were just their members. They have more 383 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: members than ever after that report. Yeah, so sometimes it 384 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: works against you when you try and quash something. So 385 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: I guess we should talk about some of the good 386 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: they do and some of the bad they've done, because 387 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: there's the fight an opinion the Hell's Angels. Uh, they 388 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: raised money for charity. They're famous for their uh their 389 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: work with the Toys for Tots and they do charity 390 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: rides and stuff like that over the years, and I 391 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: think they've cleaned up their act a lot, probably now 392 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: compared to what it was like in the sixties. But 393 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: they've had some scrapes with the law many many times 394 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: along the way, uh, notably at Altamont Speedway that was 395 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: a big one. Yeah, we can't talk about the Hell's 396 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: Angels without talking about this. This was the ultimont free 397 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: concert and it was famously recorded in the concert film 398 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: Gimme Shelter. It was apparently the day the sixties died? 399 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: Is that what they say? Is that that what that 400 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: stupid song is about from that guy American Pie. Yeah, 401 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: he's not talking about that now, that's about the death 402 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: of Buddy Holly. That's the day the music died. Either him. 403 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: I hate that song. Anyone who can listen, sit still, 404 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: sit down and listen to that song all the way through, 405 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: right in. And I've got a prize for you. You're 406 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: a special person. I forget to send you information the 407 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: Hell's Angels. So back to altamont Um. It was a 408 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: free concert there and a bunch of bands played, Jefferson 409 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: Airplane and the Rolling Stones. The Dead was supposed to play. 410 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: They helicoptered in and then by that time things had 411 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: gone south. Well, yeah, they the Stones helicoptered into and 412 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: what happened was the Stones hired the Hell's Angels. Although 413 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: there's been back and forth over the years that whether 414 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: or not they were hired for the show by the 415 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: organizers or whether the Stones specifically hired them as their 416 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: personal security, and it's a he he said, she said 417 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: type of deal with the Stones saying we did not 418 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: hire them specifically, and the Hell's Angel saying, yes you did. 419 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: You said you'd give us five with a beer if 420 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: you we would, we would be your bodyguards. So they 421 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: show up. They parked their bikes between the audience and 422 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 1: the stage. Stones go on and actually before this happened 423 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: that the violence had been escalating at this at this 424 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: show free show in the sixties at Altamont, it was 425 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: not good. There were I think two or three deaths 426 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: and numerous fights and beatings breaking out, and one of 427 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: the Hell's Angels smacked down Marty Balan of Jefferson Airplane 428 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: knocked him unconscious. The Grateful Dead see this and they're like, 429 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: we are out of here. This is not our scene 430 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: and we're not gonna play and we're leaving, and they 431 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: got back on their little helicopter and left. Have you 432 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: seen that footage? And uh, yeah, give me shelter is great. 433 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: If if you guys haven't seen that, you should definitely 434 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: watch it. Um. So back to the Stones. Stones take stage, 435 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: things start to devolve into violence and a guy named 436 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: Meredith Hunter pulls a gun, points it at the stage 437 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: and you can see all this in the film, and 438 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: he gets jumped and stabbed to death by Alan Pizzaro, 439 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: a Hell's Angel, famously, and the concert stopped. And you know, 440 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: the Stones had a pretty awful time with the pr 441 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: obviously about this. And apparently the Hell's Angels um were 442 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: exposed for plotting to kill Mick Jagger for criticizing them 443 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, true, and uh Pissarrow actually got off 444 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: Scott Free Equitt. Yeah, because the film clearly showed that 445 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: that that guy had a gun and he did pull it, 446 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: and so he was the aiming it. They don't know. 447 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: They said it was towards the stage, and um, you 448 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: can't really tell from the footage from what I remember, 449 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: but um, you know, the reports were that he was 450 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: going to kill the Rolling Stones, which I didn't know 451 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: that that was gonna happen by then. So the Hell's 452 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: Angels already had a pretty rough reputation. This is this 453 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: just cements it, right, So they just kind of go 454 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: balls out. Um, which is a motorcycle term and not 455 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: a vulgar expression. By the way. We learned that um 456 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: and uh by throughout the seventies, they own the market 457 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: on meth amphetam means yeah, apparently just the burd dude 458 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: chapter alone. This is a law enforcement estimate from nineteen 459 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: seventy nine, right after they staged a raid on that 460 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: chapter's clubhouse, where Sunny Barger was right um that this 461 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: this chapter alone controlled five meth labs that could make 462 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty thousand dollars or the pills a day. Wow, 463 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: and this is nine man. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. So 464 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: they don't call it like biker speed for nothing. It 465 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: was because the bikers, specifically the Hell's Angels, cornered the 466 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: market meth am fed amine in the seventies. They're also 467 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: they also sold, allegedly sold cocaine, heroin, pretty much anything. Sure, 468 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: prostitution was a big one apparently. And over the years 469 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: they've been um indicted and accused and booked for everything 470 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: from rape to to murder. Sonny Barger himself was in 471 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: federal prison for four years for conspiring to blow up 472 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: a rival gangs clubhouse. I don't know what the gang was, 473 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: probably the Mongols is my guess. And so yeah, they've 474 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: run a foul the law quite a bit over the years, 475 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: they definitely do. But if you'll notice Sonny Barger got 476 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: four years in federal pent right, you never hear about 477 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: a Hell's Angel being put by God. You would hear 478 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: about it if it happened. Yeah, I would imagine you 479 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: would never hear about them getting life imprisonment. So you 480 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: start to give the impression after everything you hear about 481 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: the Hell's Angels, but then these pittily convictions that are 482 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: slapped against them that maybe they are right in thinking 483 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: that law enforcement and the establishment has it out for him. 484 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: I think they definitely have it out for him, and 485 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: they probably have participated in illegal activities throughout the years. 486 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: But it's a big organization, and like you said, if 487 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: there's you know, a small handful of of actual convictions 488 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: compared to their vast history, that's, you know, that's not 489 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: too bad because it's not saying they're great guys or anything, 490 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: but it's not like they've been run up on, like 491 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: you said, murder charges like all over the place. Although 492 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: last this week they were in the news the the 493 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: Vegas cops rated six Hell's Angels locations in Las Vegas 494 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: and they seized records and knives and evidence, because last 495 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: year there was a brawl once again between the Mongols 496 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: and Hell's Angels, and I think two people were stabbed. 497 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: Allow me to interrupt if we have anything to impart 498 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: in this podcast, it's if you ever find yourself in 499 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: the same room, the same building, the same parking lot, 500 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: same town as a bunch of Mongols and a bunch 501 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: of Hell's Angels, get out. Do you know what happened 502 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: in Vegas? Oh, it's actually kind of funny. Huh. Two 503 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: people were stabs, so it's not funny. But that was 504 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: at a They both show up at a they were 505 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: double booked at a wedding chapel, a Mongol wedding. Oh yeah, 506 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: a Hell's Angel's wedding. We're both booked at the same 507 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: wedding chapel at the same time. Not good, No, And 508 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure the person who booked that didn't wasn't brought 509 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: up on charges or anything. And in fact, they're probably 510 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: the ones that originally are to blame. They sat back 511 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: and went exactly right. So, Chuck, what started out in 512 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: Burdou and then blew up in Oakland has grown into 513 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: like a worldwide organization. Whether or not it's an outlaw, 514 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: biker gang or whatever. Um, they have a legitimate chapters 515 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: in how many countries? Twenty nine countries? How many chapters? 516 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: Want more than a hundred? Yeah, in all sorts of 517 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: places too. I think in nineteen eighty four they had 518 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: their first South American chapter open in Rio. Now they 519 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: have them in Um, Greece, Russia, Czech Republic, Wales, Luxembourg, Luxembourg, 520 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: the Luxemburghs Angels. Yeah, and that's money to me. Apparently 521 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: the ones in Europe are going nuts these days. There's 522 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: a huge turf woar that's been ongoing in Scandinavia. Australia 523 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: is having real problems with them too. Um. And there's 524 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: things like, you know, rocket launchers showing up, grenades being 525 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: used like in these gang wars. Yeah, that's not in 526 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: the like the old days with knives and fists. Rocket 527 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: launcher Yeah, yeah, that's a different deal. I told Joe Square. 528 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: The first chapter outside the US web was in New 529 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: Zealand in ninette. And little known fact, George Harrison of 530 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: the Beatles God Rest his Soul is allegedly responsible for 531 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: bringing the Hell's Angels to England. Yeah. He invited a 532 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: couple vide a couple of dudes that he met in 533 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: San Francisco viting them over in England. They come over 534 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: and hang out and boom, a London Hell's Angels chapter 535 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: pops up afterwards. Pretty cool or is it? I don't know. 536 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: And right now Poland and Iceland are currently seeking chapter. 537 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: So good luck to Iceland, that's what I say, Poland, Yes, alright, 538 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: good luck with that. So that's the Hell's Angels. I'm 539 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: quite sure that there's a lot, a lot, you could 540 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: even say a hell of a lot more information out 541 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: there that will never find out because again, Chuck and 542 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: I are squares who will never get to hang out 543 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: with the Hell's angel ever, mainly because we don't want 544 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: to get beat up. Yeah. I'm not a big fan 545 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: of throwing punches or taking them on the chin. It's 546 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: just not me. I'm a fan of running away. Um, 547 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: if you want to learn a little more about The 548 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: Hell's Angels, you can take that into the handy search 549 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: bar at how stuff works dot com. Uh. You might 550 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: also want to you go onto the Hell's Angels Motor 551 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: Club website. It's pretty interesting. It's got links to other 552 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: chapters two and also congratulations uh to the Burdue chapter 553 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: on their sixtieth anniversary, which and um, since I said 554 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: the Burdu chapter, I guess that means it's time for 555 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: listener mate. Yes, indeed, Josh, I have a couple of 556 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: corrections here for a change that we're going to acknowledge. Well, 557 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: we haven't read corrections in a while. First of all, 558 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: if I want to say that Bernie Gets, Bernard Gets 559 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: is not a serial killer, I mistakenly said that and 560 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: pre killer right. He didn't kill anyone. He shot some 561 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: guys in New York and no one died, and he 562 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: was not even convicted of attempted murder or anything. And 563 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: he's still alive and living in New York. And I 564 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: feel like a big jerk because I got him confused 565 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: with Charles Bronson and death Witch. I was dead wrong, 566 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: and I'm man enough to admit it. I'm sorry Bernard Gets, 567 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: you didn't. You're not a real killer, obviously, so I 568 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: apologize for that. We had angry people right in about 569 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: that dude. That one lady man, it's like Bernie Gets 570 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: his sister or something. I think she was she was scared. 571 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: But I do feel bad because that's not right. Uh. 572 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: We have a quick correction. Remember the toling Get Indians 573 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: that we were trying to pronounce. Apparently it's pronounced clinkett. 574 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: And we had people right in from Alaska. Matthew actually 575 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: Matthews from Seattle, Washington. He wrote in and says it's 576 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: pronounced clink clink up. So there he had that. Thanks, 577 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 1: And then finally we have another correction. I remember when 578 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: I said about the Amish not being able to listen 579 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: to us rooms spring up and that if they actually 580 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: wrote in they would be liars. I'm not true because 581 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: of what rum. Yes, we had a farmer, John of 582 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: New York right in and said that we had a 583 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: few people write in on this. The Amish, every Amish teenager, 584 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: nearly every homist teenager goes on rum spring out where 585 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: they effectively leave the community and live with us regular 586 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: English folks, Americans for a period of time, and they 587 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: are free to indulge in the things that American kids 588 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: indulge in, drugs, drinking, smoking, whatever if they want. And 589 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: podcast podcast listening is is definitely one. So evidently we 590 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: could very well have been heard by an Amish person. 591 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: Here's my argument to that. Okay, so they go on 592 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: rump springing to decide whether they want to live with 593 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: the English or stay in Amish. Sure during this period, 594 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: in my opinion, they're in some sort of middle ground 595 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: between the two, so they're technically not Amish. So if 596 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: one of them on rum spring I heard this, send 597 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: it in and be like, dude, you haven't made your 598 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: decision yet, I don't want to hear it from me. 599 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: Or what if they heard our podcast and we're so 600 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: taken with it they refused to go back to the 601 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: Amish lifestyle, or if they heard it and hated it 602 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: so much they went screaming back to Mom and Paul sportily. 603 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: So thank you. Farmer John in New York, he says, ps, 604 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm not Amish, but I'm a lowly cal farmer. Although 605 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: rum spring it would be pretty sweet, that's what he says. Yeah, 606 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: So I encourage John just go on his own room springing. 607 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: I went on my own room springing. I'm still online. Well, 608 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: if you have a story about your own personal rum 609 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: spring of whether you were Amish or not, you can 610 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: send in an email to Stuffed podcast at how stuff 611 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: works dot com. For more on this and thousands of 612 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: other topics, visit how stuff works dot com want more 613 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: how stuff works, check out our blogs on the house 614 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com home page. Brought to you by 615 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. It's ready, are you