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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody, John Middlecoff three

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Speaker 1: Now Podcast? How are we doing? Hopefully everyone is doing well.

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Speaker 1: We are back in Arizona, off a little sleep and

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Speaker 1: uh ready to enjoy some sun, get out of the

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Speaker 2: I guess it. Honestly wasn't that cold.

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Speaker 1: I've been to India when it's definitely been colder and snowing,

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Speaker 1: so we avoided that. But today we will talk to

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer, who information gatherer in the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: and we will also talk to Greg Cosell, who knows

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks as well as anybody, and turns out he was

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Speaker 1: friends with Bill Walsh, so we'll talk to Greg co self.

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Speaker 1: That will be the show today on this Fugazi Friday,

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Speaker 1: because You're boy is out of gas.

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Speaker 2: So we banged out some interviews when we were there

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Speaker 2: and that's what we will do today. So we'll go

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Speaker 2: with Albert Breer and then Great co Sell. You guys

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Speaker 2: know the drill. Subscribe to the podcast wherever you may listen.

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Speaker 1: You can catch obviously all the video up on Netflix

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Speaker 1: and enjoy. Let's dive into Breer. Okay, here with the

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Speaker 1: mister information Albert Breer, I watch your mail bags on

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Speaker 1: YouTube all the time, and I've obviously Colin you just

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Speaker 1: you feed me full of information.

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Speaker 2: So this is obviously a big week for people like you, yep,

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Speaker 2: coming in. What's the buzz out there on the street

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think this is like an interesting

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Speaker 4: I think the free agent market is what it's always been.

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Speaker 3: There has been for the last few years with the

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Speaker 3: caps escalated to the point where if you want to

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Speaker 3: hear about tags, right like so George Pickens, Alec Pierce,

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Speaker 3: Brice Hall. It winds becoming a really really thin market,

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Speaker 3: and so I think that that goose is the trade

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Speaker 4: And then you know, I think, like.

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Speaker 3: For me, at least, like over the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 4: And and that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Too, because I feel like there are a couple of

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Speaker 3: I think is that it's Fernando Mendoza, and then who

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Speaker 3: There's no Calvin Johnson receiver, there's.

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Speaker 2: No Miles Garrett, Miles.

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Speaker 3: It's sort of interesting like where once you get past

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Speaker 3: what do these teams do? Are you comfortable taking David

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's interesting from that standpoint, although

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's just start with Fernando. I mean, I'm biased.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big SPI tech guy. Last year was weird. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Pete thing, the quarterback. You've You've covered a lot

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Speaker 1: But we'll see And I know where DJ and Micshay

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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza do what I call a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think Fernando Mendoza would shine for a lot of

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Speaker 3: You saw, but you saw some things like in big

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Speaker 4: He I mean, that was a really I.

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Speaker 4: You do see it in spurts, and it's just I.

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Speaker 2: It looked like a UFC fight. Yeah, And that.

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Speaker 1: For honestly, one of the most impressive things in Fernando

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Speaker 4: Later, Kathen Curry, I think hit him right.

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Speaker 4: His little brother came in and exactly.

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Speaker 1: Ran one play and he came back. I could see

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Speaker 3: That's what Brady that and that I think is what

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Speaker 3: But if you watched Brady when he was young, he

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Speaker 4: And I remember talking to his coaches and like how.

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Speaker 3: They said, like he gives the receivers the line, he

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Speaker 4: But that's who Brady was when he was younger. It

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Speaker 1: Even today, you don't get hit his You've still got

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Speaker 3: It is his contract is tradable, and his contract gives

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Speaker 1: The difference though, is with those guys you obviously had

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Speaker 2: Well, if it's it's kind of a unique deal.

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Speaker 3: I mean and and like part of that's sliding too,

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Speaker 1: Lesson Sean at the thirteenth pick, because Atlanta they've been

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Speaker 2: Do you think Max gets traded?

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Speaker 4: I I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, just because I know Max is really principal.

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Speaker 3: I know he's got the loyalty to Mark Davis, the

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Speaker 4: The desire to be a one team guy.

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Speaker 4: Can they get that ironed out? Can they get that?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: Because I do think that there was a part of

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Speaker 3: of this is like what does he have to compete

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Speaker 3: think like last year he kind of felt like that

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: That's the part that's really hard to project, Like how

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Speaker 3: I think it'll be for him, Like, does that affect

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Speaker 1: One takeaway ahead from yesterday is I think most people

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Speaker 2: I think the Eagles internally like AJ Brown. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Is that fair? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean I think it's. Look, they've got some cap

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Speaker 3: And they've got some things that they're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that part of it can't

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Speaker 4: You have to take the cap hit.

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Speaker 3: But I think that stuff can be overblown sometimes too,

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Speaker 4: Like so one way or the other, you're gonna have

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Speaker 4: I'm with you, Like I think he's a good guy

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Speaker 3: Like, I think Jalen Hurts has more problems in that

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Speaker 4: I don't think he needs to shop him.

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Speaker 1: The team in your backyard, where they you think they're

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Speaker 2: They got old.

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Speaker 3: Right right, So you're looking at all of these moving

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Speaker 1: It looks like file fires Lombardy. He maybe could have

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it wasn't as Andrew Siciliano trips

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think you.

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Speaker 3: And I would say it wasn't. I don't think it

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Speaker 2: So they were gonna lose them.

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Speaker 3: maybe bon Nick's value use Davis web on his staff,

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Speaker 3: because you really look at that and it's like, that's

443
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Speaker 3: not an answer for the next ten years. If Davis

444
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 3: Webb does a good job, he's gonna be gone, you know.

445
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 3: And so now what do you do? Do you go

446
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,879
Speaker 3: back to Sean calling the plays. I think it's fascinating

447
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,840
Speaker 3: from that standpoint in that it's it's not a guy

448
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,960
Speaker 3: who is failing as of court as a pet play caller.

449
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,400
Speaker 3: He's one of the best play callers of his generation.

450
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,120
Speaker 3: It's something he's done has been central to his job

451
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Speaker 3: for twenty five years, like going all the way back

452
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Speaker 3: to the Giants, you know, when I was in college,

453
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Speaker 3: and you turn it over to a guy who I mean, realistically,

454
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Speaker 3: if he does a good job, is gonna put you

455
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Speaker 3: in a position where you're gonna be looking for another

456
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Speaker 3: play caller, whether it's Sean or somebody else in a

457
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Speaker 3: year or two.

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Speaker 1: Well, obviously Tomlin next year will be in the mix.

459
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Speaker 1: He's gonna be one of the main candidates if he

460
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Speaker 1: wants to. Who knows, maybe he's just so rich and

461
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Speaker 1: over it all and just goes to the TV starre.

462
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Speaker 2: I watch some of the Braven's press conference, Anthony Weaver

463
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,360
Speaker 2: I was like, God, this guy sounds like a head coach.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy's gonna but Davis Webb, it feels like

465
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Speaker 1: it's gonna have a ton of momentum if the Broncos

466
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Speaker 1: are good to be one of the top candidates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was squarely in it. I'd say

468
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Speaker 3: I'd say he was the runner up for the Raiders job.

469
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Clint wouldn't have gotten it if

470
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Speaker 3: Davis hadn't pulled his name out, but I know he

471
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Speaker 3: was a really strong candidate there.

472
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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers like Davious No, I'm saying, but it's Philip Rivers.

473
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Speaker 2: Another guy candidate for next year.

474
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Speaker 3: Is So I'm going to be interested to see if

475
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Speaker 3: Philip Rivers goes inn SIY State because his son just

476
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Speaker 3: committed there, and I think Philip has a desire to

477
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Speaker 3: eventually coach in the NFL.

478
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Speaker 4: I know there were only a few teams he was

479
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Speaker 4: willing to listen to.

480
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Speaker 2: He was willing to.

481
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Speaker 3: Kind of go out therefore, and the reason why, and

482
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Speaker 3: it's not like an arrogance or anything like that. I

483
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Speaker 3: think it's really important for him to finish coaching his son.

484
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Speaker 3: And I remember in conversation with him, and this is

485
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Speaker 3: probably when Connor was eleven or twelve years old and

486
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 3: he was still playing for the Chargers, and he said

487
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Speaker 3: to me, and I asked him the retirement question, and

488
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,679
Speaker 3: he basically said to me, he was like, well, I

489
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Speaker 3: am on a timeline here. He's like, my dad coached

490
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Speaker 3: me in high school.

491
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Speaker 2: I want to coach Gunner.

492
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Speaker 3: I want to coach, and I want to coach my

493
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Speaker 3: son's plural. I want to have that experience that my

494
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Speaker 3: dad had. I want them to have the experience that

495
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Speaker 3: I had. And so I think like the ability to

496
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Speaker 3: coach his son his senior year in high school is important.

497
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Speaker 3: And I do wonder with his son now committed DENC State,

498
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Speaker 3: is that where he winds up and even and if

499
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Speaker 3: NC State were to make a change after this, that's

500
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Speaker 3: one to watch where it's like, does he look at

501
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 3: it and say, I'm going to go be the head

502
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Speaker 3: coach at DENC State for the next four or five

503
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Speaker 3: years and then coach my son, maybe coach both coach

504
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,479
Speaker 3: both my sons through that and then and then go

505
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Speaker 3: to the NFL. I think it's an interesting thing.

506
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Speaker 1: Schefter puts out the Trent Williams thing about thirty minutes

507
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Speaker 1: before John gets up on the podium. I would imagine,

508
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Speaker 1: I don't know if the forty nine ers would want

509
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Speaker 1: that out, So maybe Trent, I mean going back and

510
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Speaker 1: forth there, What do you make of that situation?

511
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Speaker 3: I think in the middle of the negotiation, I mean,

512
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I think they've been through this with Trent

513
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 3: so many times now.

514
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Speaker 4: They've obviously got.

515
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Speaker 3: A lot of experience with the uncomfortable contract negotiations. I

516
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 3: think it was a consecutive summers where it was like

517
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 3: Bosa every year it was Deebo Bosa an iuk, right,

518
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: like a three consecutive off seasons. So like they've dealt

519
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: with these situations before, they've dealt with them with Trent specifically.

520
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Speaker 4: I just think he's too freaking important.

521
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 3: Like I would argue he might be the most indispensable

522
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 3: player in that team, including the quarterback.

523
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Speaker 4: And I think Brock's a really good player.

524
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Speaker 3: You know, but I think he makes a decent offensive

525
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 3: line look better than it is, Like he's that good

526
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 3: to left tackle and so I think he knows it.

527
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Speaker 3: And I think, you know, there's every year now I

528
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: think you're kind of in that position where it's like, Okay,

529
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: like what do we need to do to get him back?

530
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Speaker 3: And I would think, I know how much Kyle thinks

531
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Speaker 3: of him. I would think they're going to do everything

532
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Speaker 3: they can to get him back.

533
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Speaker 1: And least, but not least the Sam Donold situation, the

534
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Speaker 1: impact that had on Minnesota. How cool of a genuine

535
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: human interest story him winning It had a lot of

536
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: ripple effects throughout the league. I mean you've been covering

537
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: the league a long time. You ever seen a like

538
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: basically in.

539
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: The dirt it was? It had an Alex Smith vibe.

540
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Speaker 1: But Alex Smith never won that many playoff games, let

541
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Speaker 1: alone win the Super Bowl.

542
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't remember.

543
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Speaker 1: And a guy that was like universally liked, It's like,

544
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: it's not like kind of an.

545
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: A hole, you know, you know everyone loved him.

546
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Speaker 3: When you go back to the Jets people, you go

547
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Speaker 3: back to the Panthers, like, everyone loves Sam Darnold.

548
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: Did that have lasting impacts on the Minnesota situation? Is

549
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 2: that overblown?

550
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

551
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Speaker 3: I mean I think, like I think one thing you

552
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 3: look at again, like I talked about earlier, like the

553
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: almost like automatic you have to pay if you draft

554
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Speaker 3: and develop a quarterback and it works out you almost

555
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 3: have to pay him at the top end of the market.

556
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Speaker 4: There's no like B level quarterback contract.

557
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Speaker 3: I think some teams look at like what happened with

558
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Speaker 3: Sam and it's like, well, wait a second, they got

559
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: him at like half of what Dak cost, right, So

560
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: Dak is at sixty. They got Sam after that at thirty?

561
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: And why why they because he played really well for Minnesota.

562
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Speaker 3: Why did they get him at that rate? Is it

563
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: just because of perception? Is it just because he's not

564
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: the former first round pick anymore because he's changed teams,

565
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: And so I think there's that element of it. You

566
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: know what Baker what Tampa wound up getting Baker for.

567
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with Daniel Jones in Indianapolis.

568
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 4: But I do think like there's.

569
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Speaker 3: If I'm a team the way I'm looking at and

570
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 3: having I think some teams are thinking this way.

571
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Speaker 2: You know.

572
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 3: It's more like, do I feel like I have to

573
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Speaker 3: take a quarterback in the first round or the draft,

574
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Speaker 3: or if I'm eighty percent of the way there and

575
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Speaker 3: a guy but I maybe don't think he's going to

576
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Speaker 3: be great?

577
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Speaker 4: Am I better off.

578
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: Having like a high end, high end, high end bridge,

579
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Speaker 3: like a former first.

580
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Speaker 4: Round pick come in and be that guy.

581
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Speaker 3: I actually think like maybe the best example if it

582
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: was Alex Smith, because when Andy Reid went and got

583
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Speaker 3: Alex Smith, if you remember, they had the first overall

584
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 3: pick that year, a thirteen, and I remember there.

585
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 4: Were people who thought like, oh, they're gonna take Gino Smith.

586
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: EJ.

587
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Speaker 3: Manuel was the only first round quarterback that year. If

588
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 3: they had forced it, what that would have looked like

589
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: instead of just taking Eric Fisher and then having Alex Smith.

590
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: And what Alex Smith allowed for them was Alex Smith

591
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: gave you a good level of quarterback play you're a

592
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 3: playoff team, allowed you to establish a program, you're building

593
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: your roster up, and then you got to the point

594
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 3: eventually where it was like you could just survey. You

595
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: weren't forced into a single year where it's like, yeah,

596
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 3: we have to get him now. It was like, all right,

597
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: we don't like this year's we don't like Oh that

598
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: guy right there, mahomes like, let's keep an eye on him.

599
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 3: It gave them the flexibility to kind of cherry pick

600
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Speaker 3: when they were gonna go get their franchise quarterback and

601
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of power in that. I

602
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: think the worst place you can be in is like

603
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: your pigeonholed into a single year. Like if you're a

604
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: team that needs a quarterback now and you don't and

605
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 3: you don't have the first pick, you're not the Raiders.

606
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Speaker 4: I mean, what do you do?

607
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: Malie Willis, Yeah, I mean what do you do?

608
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 3: And like that's that's the thing is like, if you

609
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: have like that bridge, you're not forced into that sort

610
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Speaker 3: of pick.

611
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Speaker 2: Okay, last question. I know you like big picture league questions.

612
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Speaker 1: I was talking to Howie yesterday just about how much

613
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Speaker 1: this event has changed, and then last night had a

614
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: few Tito Sodas with some gms and they said, every

615
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 1: interview now you've said the kids are like, yeah, I'm

616
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: not really gonna work out, not gonna do anything, and

617
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: they're just like the league.

618
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: And again they're not even mad at it. But you know,

619
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Speaker 2: you've talked about moving this event.

620
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Speaker 1: This event's important for the interviews and obviously the coaches

621
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Speaker 1: being here. The league likes all that stuff. But is

622
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Speaker 1: the combine going to exist in like ten years this case?

623
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: I don't know.

624
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: I mean, like I think it will, but like I

625
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 3: don't know what form it's going to exist in. I

626
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: think I think there's some degree of the league shot

627
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: itself in the foot a little bit. If they had

628
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: just left this for what it was and stopped trying

629
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Speaker 3: to turn it into something that's not, you know, then

630
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: I think you probably still have a really good thing here.

631
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: I think with the.

632
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: Element of just commodifying everything and like trying to like, hey,

633
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: how do we turn this new event or that new event,

634
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: how do we like the players have agency now, you

635
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, and the players are coming

636
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: into the league, like these guys have already made money,

637
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

638
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 4: Like, so, like, how's a guy like that going to think?

639
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: Well, I think Marvin Harrison, you know, a couple of

640
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 3: years ago was the turning point. It's Marvin Harrison came

641
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 3: in and he was in the first class of high

642
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 3: school athletes to go into college and be nil as

643
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: true freshman, right, And Caleb was in that group high

644
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: in il right, right and high nil. And so he

645
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: came into it and for three years now he had

646
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: been thinking about things through that lens. It's like, I like,

647
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: look what I've done the last two years? Why do

648
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: why am I going to go work out, Like all

649
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: I can do is hurt myself there. You know, why

650
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 3: would I not want to do it in the most

651
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: comfortable environment, where is the proof that there's something And

652
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: at the time, he's a top five pick.

653
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: So it's like, like, don't I have a lot more

654
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: to lose than I have to gain?

655
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean like like that, like like I

656
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: have way more to lose than I have to gain.

657
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: Like the best thing I can do is just do

658
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: everything in the most comfortable environment and confirm.

659
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 4: What people think of me and then be done with it.

660
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: And so, like, I think it's some of that stuff

661
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: what you're talking about as a result of the players

662
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Speaker 3: having more of a business mindset and having been through that,

663
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Speaker 3: like viewing themselves as like now I'm a commodity too,

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Speaker 3: and I have to treat my I have to handle

665
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 3: myself that way. And so you know, I think it's

666
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: looking at all these little things as part of the

667
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: process with more scrutiny, and again, like it's not going

668
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Speaker 3: to be the same for a guy who's going in

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Speaker 3: the top ten versus a fourth round. A fourth round

670
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Speaker 3: pick should be doing everything here the fourth round pick,

671
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Speaker 3: Like all thirty two teams are here. This is my chance.

672
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Speaker 3: You know, if I think I'm going to do well

673
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Speaker 3: in the drills, do it here? Shows how competitive I am.

674
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Speaker 3: If you're a top ten pick, what motivation do you

675
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Speaker 3: have other than like being a quote unquote competitor.

676
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Speaker 4: Like that's really it?

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: One more quick League one the International Series. I've been

679
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Speaker 1: saying forever, You've talked a lot about this. I think

680
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Speaker 1: in a couple of years the league is going to

681
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: sell like a ten to fifteen game pack. It's like

682
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Speaker 1: Thursday night all over the Australian Morning thing. Australia's cool,

683
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Speaker 1: like and I get it. They love sports and it'll

684
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Speaker 1: do cool. They got to fly like eighteen hours to

685
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Speaker 1: Australia and I get it.

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Speaker 2: It's week one.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like Roger whenever you like one of

688
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Speaker 1: his lasting impacts, his last two raw of like growing

689
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Speaker 1: the League final, he thinks they're going international. Yeah, and

690
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: they've already gone, but like we're gonna be more of

691
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Speaker 1: an international sport.

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Speaker 2: Can that even work?

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Speaker 4: Yes? I think they like it. I mean I think

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Speaker 4: they see if you.

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Speaker 3: Look at like I would urge people to look at

696
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Speaker 3: like the Premier League viewership numbers seven hundred and fifty

697
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: million people watching Dwarf like a regular season game Dwarf

698
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Speaker 3: the NFL, And like, I think that's what they're looking

699
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Speaker 3: at right like, and they've some of these teams have

700
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Speaker 3: worked with some A soccer teams. There's cross ownership there.

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Speaker 3: The the you know, Jet of course is one. Obviously,

702
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Speaker 3: Stan Kronke Own's Arsenal. The Glaziers in Tampa, they own

703
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Speaker 3: Manchester United. So I think it got to a point early.

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Speaker 4: In Rogers' tenure. This is a big picture thing.

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Speaker 3: Early in Rogers' tenure, so you're talking like his first year's,

706
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Speaker 3: oh six, eighth, nine, ten, they sort of came to

707
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Speaker 3: the conclusion like we're killing it domestically.

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Speaker 4: So we can't grow up anymore. So we have to

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Speaker 4: grow out. And that man growing adding inventory.

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Speaker 2: How do you add inventory?

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Speaker 3: You go back to LA with two teams, You add

712
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Speaker 3: all of these international markets, you go to seventeen games,

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Speaker 3: you expand the playoffs, like all that is football, all

714
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Speaker 3: that Thursday night football, All that is is adding inventory

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Speaker 3: for people to buy from them. And so like if

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Speaker 3: this commissioner's charged Roger Goodell's charge was twenty five billion

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Speaker 3: in annual revenue, and it looks like he's going to

718
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Speaker 3: get there. Like the way to do it was never

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Speaker 3: sit on our hands and do things the way they've

720
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Speaker 3: always been done, which was plenty lucrative. If his charge

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Speaker 3: was for the new breed of owners was no, like

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Speaker 3: you go and operate like a Fortune five hundred company.

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Speaker 3: You go and operate like one of the big tech companies.

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Speaker 4: This is the way to do it.

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Speaker 1: In five years, Brian roll App will take over a

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Speaker 4: We'll see, We'll say, thanks Albert, all right, thanks shall.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's dive into my main man, Greg co cell.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here with with Greg co cell As. Colin likes

765
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Speaker 1: to say a football meets sandwich. And I've been talking

766
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Speaker 1: to you over the last couple of days. We got

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Speaker 1: a lot going on. How many combines is this for you?

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Speaker 6: You think my first one was nineteen ninety nine, It's

769
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Speaker 6: been a while, been a while. Nineteen ninety nine there

770
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Speaker 6: might have been like three national writers that were at

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Speaker 6: the combine.

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Speaker 2: That was it?

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Speaker 1: Really pretty coot. I was talking to someone the other day. Football,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of sad. I mean, we still

775
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Speaker 1: love the games and watch the games. You break them

776
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Speaker 1: all down. It's become a lot of this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a television show.

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Speaker 2: It's an event. Yeah, it's an event.

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Speaker 1: As much as it is the game. And this thing

780
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Speaker 1: is to look at all these digital shows. I know

781
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Speaker 1: that's the one thing you noticed. It's not just no

782
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Speaker 1: radio shows. These are digital digital shows.

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Speaker 2: I know. That means they got to see my face.

784
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Speaker 2: That's tough. Where do we start the draft class? Right?

785
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Speaker 2: The quarterback Fernando Mindow thoughts.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know it's funny. Obviously, I feel like the

787
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 6: Super Bowl was just played yesterday. So I'm I'm just

788
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 6: getting started. Although what I normally do, John, is i'd

789
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Speaker 6: get a baseline. Every summer, I'll watch maybe one hundred

790
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Speaker 6: and twenty guys that are likely to be in the

791
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Speaker 6: draft the next year. You know, you know how it

792
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 6: is twenty twenty five guys drop out for whatever reason,

793
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Speaker 6: but at least I get a baseline of guys. So

794
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Speaker 6: right now, I'm just getting into it. Because of my

795
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 6: NFL work, I can't really start till maybe mid till

796
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Speaker 6: late January. So I've done Mendoza in detail, you know.

797
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Speaker 6: And it's an interesting study. And you know this because

798
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Speaker 6: you know this is what you do too. It's an

799
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Speaker 6: interesting quarterback study because we've reached a point where people

800
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Speaker 6: just say a quarterback has great traits because he can

801
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Speaker 6: throw it hard and he can run around. And then

802
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Speaker 6: I keep thinking to myself, that's not really the key

803
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Speaker 6: to playing quarterback in the NFL. So when people look

804
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Speaker 6: at Mendoza, they don't see a guy that necessarily has

805
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 6: a hose and they can run around. They are a

806
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Speaker 6: little uncertain as to how he fits into being a

807
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Speaker 6: you know, a quarterback prospect, but he he kind of

808
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 6: knows how to play the position, you know, to me, quarterback,

809
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Speaker 6: and I was very fortunate in my career. Maybe the

810
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Speaker 6: best thing that ever happened in my career was Bill

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Speaker 6: Walsh taught me the quarterback position. So when I watch quarterbacks,

812
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Speaker 6: I think about the subtlety of it, the detail, the nuance,

813
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Speaker 6: the discipline, craft element of it. And well, I'm not

814
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Speaker 6: going to sit here in say Mendoz is a perfect prospect,

815
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Speaker 6: but he plays it more like that than the guys

816
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Speaker 6: who just you know, have the hose and run around.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not.

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Speaker 6: Sure a lot of people really understand that that is

819
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Speaker 6: a really important part of playing quarterback consistently at the

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Speaker 6: NFL level.

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Speaker 2: I think Bill Walsh would have liked for Fernando Mendozo, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think he would have. Can you go back to

823
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Speaker 2: the Bill Walsh relationship how that started? Yeah? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I've never heard that.

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Speaker 6: I got to sign what you know, back in the day,

826
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Speaker 6: you know, working at NFL Films and I did a

827
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Speaker 6: lot more documentary type films and I got a sign

828
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Speaker 6: to do a Bill Walsh project, and my boss at

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Speaker 6: the time said, you know, we want you to do

830
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Speaker 6: it because you know, you know, you love football, and

831
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Speaker 6: you go out and you know, meet Bill Walsh and

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Speaker 6: you know, so I went out and.

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Speaker 2: He was not coaching in the NFL, so.

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Speaker 6: Early nineties maybe early nineties maybe, Yeah, that sounds about right.

835
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Speaker 6: So I go out and do you know, do what

836
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Speaker 6: I'm doing. In fact, I remember what we did. I

837
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Speaker 6: went out and I brought.

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Speaker 2: Film.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't coaching cap because we didn't have it, but

840
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Speaker 6: film of like twenty quarterbacks, you know, going back to

841
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 6: like Johnny Unitas, and basically it was just Bill put

842
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Speaker 6: the camera on. He's watching, you know, on a on

843
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 6: a big screen, all these quarterbacks, maybe twenty quarterbacks, and

844
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Speaker 6: just commenting on, commenting on them, you know, just let

845
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Speaker 6: them go free form. So we're done with it. And

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Speaker 6: I don't know, for whatever reason, he must have saw

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Speaker 6: something in me, like me, and he basically said, you know.

848
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go out to lunch.

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Speaker 6: And I'm like talking to me, you know, and obviously

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Speaker 6: I've got a cameraman there, a sound man from films

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00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 6: and the whole deal, you know, and he and I

852
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 6: just went out to lunch, and I mean I didn't

853
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 6: have much to say. He's just talking and I'm listening.

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Speaker 6: But that happened like four or five times in my

855
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Speaker 6: career where I was just with Bill Walsh like that,

856
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Speaker 6: and it just, I mean what I learned. So when

857
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Speaker 6: I watch quarterbacks, I think about doing it the right

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Speaker 6: way on every play. I don't think in terms of

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00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 6: man he can run around. Now, we know the games

860
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 6: evolved and changed, and you know, defenses have gotten a

861
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 6: little more detail, a lot more detail.

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Speaker 2: They do a lot of different you know, we know

863
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Speaker 2: all that.

864
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Speaker 6: So the element of movement can be a factor, you know,

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Speaker 6: but obviously you can be great without it. I mean,

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Speaker 6: look at Tom Brady. You know he didn't have to

867
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Speaker 6: run around to be great. But the point is is

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Speaker 6: that that's what I think about when I watch quarterbacks.

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00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 6: I think about playing the position the absolute right way

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Speaker 6: on every snap.

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Speaker 2: You know. You know this.

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Speaker 6: Coaches don't roll the ball out and say, hey, let's

873
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 6: run around today and see what happens. You know, it's

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Speaker 6: everything is detailed.

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Speaker 1: I think if we when I Super Bowl Week, we

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Speaker 1: went to this like event for the nineteen eighty nine

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Speaker 1: to forty nine ers in on stage it was Joe Ronnie,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, who's actually sneaky, very underrated.

879
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: The place he would make. Jonathan Taylor could fly, Harris Barton,

880
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: you're talking, No, you're talking about the receiver John.

881
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: John Taylor, John Taylor. Yeah, and he made some plays.

882
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: They were kept talking like.

883
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, nine yard touchdowns against the Rams.

884
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: Just because he played with Jerry Rice overshadowed a little bit.

885
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: You're watching him fly. You're like, this guy in this

886
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: league to incredible.

887
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: But I think it. Let's just take like three of the.

888
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: Best five quarterbacks of all time, Joe Tom Peyton, they couldn't.

889
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: Joe was more much more athletic than Joe had an

890
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 2: athletic feet, but he wasn't a run around guy. Yeah.

891
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: It was accuracy, timing, understanding, knowing like it's okay to

892
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: dump the.

893
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: Ball, quarterback position exactly. Yeah. Has that been lost? Do

894
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: you think in the NFL a little bit?

895
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 6: I don't think it's been lost among coaches. I think

896
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 6: it's been lost the way that media people and fans

897
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 6: talk about it, but it's not lost amongst coaches.

898
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: So like the two Super Bowls that Patrick won a

899
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, in those two years where their

900
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: team wasn't as explosive.

901
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 2: It's like the nineteenth thas, right.

902
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: I look, because I was doing a segment he threw

903
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: he had one turnover in those seven playoff games. I

904
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: bet if you went back and watched, he was closer

905
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: to a game manager.

906
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: And they hate that urn. But just like managing the game,

907
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: making sure I don't screw up.

908
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: Right, they beat the Ravens. They scored seventeen points, right,

909
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: I bet Bill Wals should have been like, that's the

910
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: best that kid's ever played in those seven games playing

911
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: not the bombs to Tyreek Hill, right, But we love

912
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: the bombs to Tyreek Hill.

913
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: Oh well, everybody loves that.

914
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm just saying that's the position to win

915
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: the game at the biggest games that are in the

916
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: late teen, you know, seventeen to nineteen.

917
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 6: The efficiency of the position comes from executing the subtleties

918
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 6: of the position play in and play out.

919
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where the.

920
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 6: Efficiency comes from, you know. And and you know, obviously, look

921
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 6: who thought Walls thought Montana was a great prospect and

922
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 6: not many others did at the time because he saw

923
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 6: it in a different way. You know, he saw he

924
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 6: wasn't worried about arm strength or or what we now

925
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 6: call today arm talent. You know, he wasn't worried about that.

926
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 6: He was worried about the ability to play within timing,

927
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 6: throw the ball accurately, and accurately meant precise ball location,

928
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 6: not just you know, where do you throw it?

929
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: Not not just oh I'm throwing it to you, but

930
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: where do.

931
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: You You watch these documentaries on the Niners that he

932
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: would like, make him redo it if Joe.

933
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 2: Ristine was off.

934
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 6: It's funny you say that because one of the things

935
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 6: I did with the Walls of the times you would

936
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 6: talk is we went out and he brought out after

937
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 6: they'd retired Joe, Jerry, Rice and Roger.

938
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: Craig, and we're doing a piece.

939
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not there, and he's back coaching like

940
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 6: Montana would make it throw and you go, no, Joe,

941
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 6: come on, we're doing that again that ball. I mean,

942
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 6: he was coaching after they you know, they were all retired.

943
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, like what would Bill Walsha about like Kleb Williams,

944
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: who makes incredible plays in these biggest moments, but it's

945
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: pretty inefficient right games.

946
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 6: He would work every single day on his lower half

947
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 6: because his lower half can be all over the places

948
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 6: you probably know, and he would work every single day

949
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 6: on that because you know, he just misses too many

950
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 6: routine throws. He can make special plays, and obviously his

951
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 6: his arm in terms of the way the ball comes

952
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 6: out of his hand, is special, but you know, he

953
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 6: just misses too many routine throws.

954
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

955
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: To me, you know, I would imagine Ben Johnson the Bears,

956
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: the layups, the basic stuff, because if he can do that,

957
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: he can be a really good play right right, And

958
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: that to me, all off season's the special down the

959
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: he can do that in sleep. It's like, hey, a

960
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: wheel route, you gotta hit this guy in stride. You

961
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: know you gotta be on time. He can do that,

962
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: But but can you coach that up right?

963
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: It's a really hard balance.

964
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 6: I talked to a coach yesterday, and you know, because

965
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 6: I'm always fascinated by how you coach the quarterbacks that

966
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 6: have the ability to make special, improvisational plays, because on

967
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 6: the one hand, you don't want to tell a guy

968
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 6: never to do that, But on the other hand, those

969
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 6: guys tend to leave throws on the field because they

970
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 6: will leave the pocket too early. Because that's just the

971
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 6: way that they feel innately.

972
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson started doing that. Yeah, yeah, you couldn't function.

973
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 6: Now his is a little different because of his size,

974
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 6: But even Mahomes, Josh Allen, those guys will leave throws

975
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 6: on the field within the structure of that particular past

976
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 6: design because for whatever reason, that's just who they are.

977
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 6: So you know, my guess is you don't want to

978
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 6: tell them never to do that. But on the other hand,

979
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 6: if you know these coaches, as you know, work a lot,

980
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 6: and if they design it and it's there and it's clean,

981
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 6: you want the guy to throw the ball.

982
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: Do you think that's why some of those guys with

983
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: the Walsh roots, even if it's indirect, like you know

984
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: Shanahan or you know Andy didn't work for Walsh, but

985
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: he worked for Home right right, you know Alex Smith.

986
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: You see the guys that Shanahan likes, the Kubiaks, Mike Shannahan,

987
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: who I don't think work.

988
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: For Walsh but work for Seaford with right right right.

989
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: They can be cool with Jake Plumber or you know,

990
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: they like Kirk Cousins, like they value things that go

991
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: back to those roots their offense.

992
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: As you probably know, you know the way it is.

993
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 6: Let's say with Kyle Shanahan, who obviously is you know,

994
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 6: comes from his dad and comes down that tree. Maybe

995
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 6: it's not the pure Bill Walsh, but it's you know,

996
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 6: more of that school. Let's say for those coaches, the

997
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 6: star is the play caller, you know, you know, in

998
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 6: Kyle's offense, he's he's the star.

999
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: He's the poster child of the team.

1000
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 6: Right Whereas let's say a Josh McDaniel's offense, he's giving

1001
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 6: the quarterback all the answers to the test, and the

1002
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 6: quarterback has to figure out which answers apply based on

1003
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 6: a given play call and what he sees from the defense.

1004
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 6: Whereas with Kyle that's not the case at all. He's

1005
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 6: the quarterback, as you know, he doesn't The quarterback doesn't

1006
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 6: do anything. He's not calling the protections, he's not changing play.

1007
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: Now.

1008
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 6: Granted, if he sees maybe an obvious blitz, maybe flip

1009
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 6: it or yeah, yeah, but he's.

1010
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: Not really doing a lot you know that.

1011
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, The quarterback is the executor of the play callers play.

1012
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: Kyla said that he and Cousins has talked about this.

1013
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: Cousins fought for it, He gave him the opportunity to

1014
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: do it, and like the next day cousins like that's crazy.

1015
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: I have like seven things on my plan. You take

1016
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: it back right right now, right, And there's only so

1017
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: many Peyton Mannings or Brady's who can do it at

1018
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: that highway, correct, And that's what makes the position so crazy.

1019
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: Like let's just say you flip Drake May and Brock Perty.

1020
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: I think Drake made probably pretty good for Kyle, right,

1021
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: I would agree, but the Party thing, the way they're

1022
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: playing it would not probably look very good.

1023
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: Right.

1024
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: I bet Purdy could do it, you know, once he

1025
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: got Yeah, but I just mean, like, just you carry

1026
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: the offense you play on, you would be a.

1027
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 6: Lot well right now, if Purdy all of a sudden

1028
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 6: was dropped into a Jash McDaniels offense, he'd be lost

1029
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 6: because that's not the way he's been coach to play

1030
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 6: the game.

1031
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your take on Party?

1032
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Because he's a pretty polarizing play And I don't know

1033
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: why I like wal liked him.

1034
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like Purty you know again, you know people

1035
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 6: like this and you know, is he the top five

1036
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 6: of you?

1037
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't get into that.

1038
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 6: I think he can execute Kyle's offense at a pretty

1039
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 6: high level. And I think that's that's what the forty

1040
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 6: nine ers want. You know, he can execute it at

1041
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 6: a pretty high level.

1042
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't quite understand until I got here.

1043
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: You know, Sean Mannion goes back to Oregon State. I mean,

1044
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: he's got like pro style roots as a player, right

1045
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: right right as a coach, right, that's what they're implementing

1046
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: with the Eagles. So the idea you get rid of Stoutland,

1047
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: who's not that type of run game guy, that they

1048
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: are going to be a version of the Kyle Shanahan

1049
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: offense with Jalen Hurts is that the way you take

1050
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: it as well.

1051
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 6: That's what it sure seems like because of the people

1052
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 6: they brought in to coach on offense. So in their mind,

1053
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 6: they must believe that Jalen Hurts can do it. I'm

1054
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 6: not going to sit here and say he can or can.

1055
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 6: You know they think he can. I would say that

1056
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 6: the way Jajalen has played up to this point in

1057
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 6: his career, that's not stylistically how he's played. You know,

1058
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 6: he hasn't been a true timing rhythm guy. So they

1059
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 6: must feel he can do it because that's what they've

1060
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 6: committed to. That's what their offense is going to be. Now,

1061
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 6: the question is did they bring did they change that

1062
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 6: because of the run game? Because that run game in

1063
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 6: that offense is really good with you know, now you're

1064
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 6: going to see a lot more motions. You're going to

1065
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 6: see a lot more pre snap movement, You're going to

1066
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 6: see a lot of things that help the run game

1067
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 6: because you know that pre snap movement emotions really helped

1068
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 6: the run game as well. You know, in many ways

1069
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 6: they helped the run game even more.

1070
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 2: What did you see when you were breaking down Jalen

1071
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: this year?

1072
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: The struggles came from and they I mean, I don't

1073
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: know if it ended up this way, but at one

1074
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: point time in December they led the league in three

1075
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: and outs in that town.

1076
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: That's embarrassing. I know that can't happen now with those players.

1077
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 6: You know, I don't think to me, Jalen was any different,

1078
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 6: you know, than he's always been. I mean, you know,

1079
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 6: keep in mind when they won the Super Bowl, they

1080
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 6: were nine or ten games that year. Well, he didn't

1081
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 6: throw for two hundred yards. They're not a passing team.

1082
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 6: I mean, they had the historic running season by Barkley

1083
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 6: and the number one defense in the league, and Jalen

1084
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 6: never turned it over and they were phenomenal on fourth down.

1085
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 6: So they were a sense of four down offense. If

1086
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 6: they got past midfield and it became fourth or let's

1087
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 6: say four and less, three and less, they were going

1088
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 6: for it every time and they would convert because that's

1089
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 6: where Jalen's mobility became a huge factor, even if he

1090
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 6: didn't run, just you know, getting him out of the

1091
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 6: pocket il around.

1092
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.

1093
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 6: So you know, they were not a passing team, so

1094
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Speaker 6: I didn't I don't think he was necessarily any different.

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00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 6: Their run game was terrible, relatively speaking. Their old line

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00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 6: was bad. So you know, the question becomes can Jalen hurts?

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Speaker 6: And this is a this is a tough question because

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00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 6: the reality is, and this is the answer you get

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00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 6: and you can't argue it is. They've been in two

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Speaker 6: of the last four Super Bowls. He's played well in both.

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Speaker 6: He was the MVP and one. And you know, so

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00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 6: when people say that, what do you say.

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Speaker 1: Nothing, right, I got a ring and I got a

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00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: lot of money, exactly right, what do you say?

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Speaker 2: So? But you know, the.

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00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: Philly and I know how he they like winning games

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00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: now like Super a couple of years ago, and it's like,

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00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: can he win games?

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00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: You look in that conference. Well, that's why they made

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Speaker 2: the change.

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00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 6: Obviously, they think that this change will be can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't lose that Niner team Sala rolled out me,

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00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: you and seven of us, I know, and that's got

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00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: to be one of the worst losses in Eagles history.

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00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: When you look at the talent gay, I.

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Speaker 6: Would agree, and I'm sure that's why major changes were made.

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Speaker 1: So to me, like specifically with him, he's a dual

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00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: threat quarterback who no longer wants to run.

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Speaker 6: It seems though. Yeah, I mean again, we're not in

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Speaker 6: the building. I don't know if he tells the coach.

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Speaker 2: I'm just well, I'm standing, well, you watch him. They

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Speaker 2: don't call run plays, No, they don't.

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Speaker 1: They could have the Niners could have been gashed by

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Speaker 1: He's a great runner like his I've always said I

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Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be a running back out of

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00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: college because I think it was a bad college right,

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Speaker 1: a prospect, right, But I thought, like, this guy could

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Speaker 1: be like Frank Gore because his natural feel. He's not

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Speaker 1: like a Lamar speed guy, but he clearly, just I

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Speaker 1: don't really want to do it. They had one run

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Speaker 1: in that nighter game. I think they're called back like

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Speaker 1: you could do this every play for like thirty yards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, in twenty twenty two when they

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00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 6: went to the Super Bowl and lost to the Chiefs,

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00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 6: that run stuff.

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Speaker 1: The design run like ten carries a game. It was

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Speaker 1: a huge part of their offense. Huge part.

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Speaker 6: But again, you know, I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 6: if he tells the coaches. I don't want to write run.

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Speaker 6: I don't know the answer to that, but it'll be

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Speaker 6: That's going to be one of the most interesting things

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Speaker 6: to watch is how that offense works, you know, which

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Speaker 6: is obviously a totally new offense.

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Speaker 1: new or like Philip Rivers is one of the best.

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Speaker 2: Quarterbacks in the league. I love Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 1: You know, and anytime and again this gets back to

1184
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: the Jalen things like well I got a ring, I'm

1185
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: one of the best players, Like, well this guy people

1186
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: think this guy's better, right. We all kind of think,

1187
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, Mahomes even though he didn't play that well

1188
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: last but his resume speaks for himself. Question Lamar and

1189
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: Josh's resume speak for themselves. Herbert's a pretty polarizing player

1190
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: because of the playoff games. I don't know where you stand.

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00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he played for my team any

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00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: day of the week.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you, and I think most people in

1194
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 6: the league would tell you that he's incredibly gifted.

1195
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: And then he's a really good player.

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00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 6: You know, look this year, I mean he played behind

1197
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 6: arguably the worst offensive line of football.

1198
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: I mean they were playing backups to backups to backups.

1199
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, so he in a broken hand.

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00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 6: I know, so we'll see. I mean, but yeah, he's

1201
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 6: You talk to people in the league. They don't have

1202
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 6: any issue with Justin Herbert.

1203
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: I think one guy who's really impressed me the last

1204
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: couple of years, and McCarthy deserves credit for this, is

1205
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: again another guy playoffs that he had a three year

1206
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: stretch where he just two of the games against the

1207
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: nine Ers.

1208
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Speaker 2: She was not good. But Dak's really become a really

1209
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: good player.

1210
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: And if they do a good enough job, like if

1211
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: the version of he's at right now was on some

1212
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: of those teams like three years ago, they would be

1213
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: a major factor. Again if he just played one of

1214
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: the player I thought the year they lost the Niners

1215
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: in the second round, if he had just played like

1216
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: he had been playing, they could have won the Super Bowl.

1217
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: Their defense was awesome. I've been impressed with Dak's like

1218
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: Corinth as a player.

1219
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 6: But the point is is what you're talking about is

1220
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 6: what we were talking about initially about the quarterback position

1221
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 6: because Dak is well, he's not a statue. He's a

1222
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 6: pocket quarterback man.

1223
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: He doesn't move.

1224
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 6: So, I mean, why has he become a really good quarterback?

1225
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 6: Because he he executes the the you know, the nuances

1226
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 6: of the position. He plays the position at a high

1227
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 6: level from the pocket.

1228
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's Bill waltsh would like this version

1229
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: of Dak without question, without question.

1230
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 6: You know it's and as you know in college, now

1231
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 6: there's Mendoza is a little bit of an admiration. But

1232
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 6: college is not sending a lot of like true pocket

1233
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 6: quarterbacks to the NFL. No, because you know Mendoza and

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00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 6: maybe this is an easy comparison and it's not an

1235
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 6: exact one, but Mendoza would be more like the Gared

1236
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 6: Goffs of the world. He's not a run around guy. Now,

1237
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 6: could he run in a straight line if he has to? Yeah,

1238
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 6: but he's not a playmaker.

1239
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: He's not like Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson. No, he's not

1240
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: a playmaker. Yeah, my question is not that long ago.

1241
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: You just looked around the league, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning,

1242
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, they all kind of look the same,

1243
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, six' four to sixty.

1244
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: Six, yeah where did that human being? GO i, know

1245
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: he's not playing college or high school. Football, no because

1246
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: they have to still exist on this.

1247
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 6: Planet it's because what's happened now is it's, like, Look

1248
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 6: i'm older than. You so WHEN i grew up in

1249
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 6: my formative years and let's say the late sixties early,

1250
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 6: seventies the two biggest sports In america were baseball in.

1251
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: Boxing so where did the best? Athlete baseball play?

1252
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 6: Shortstop so now what's happening is the best athlete is playing.

1253
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 6: Quarterback so now you're getting guys that are great. Athletes

1254
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 6: so they can, run they can, move maybe they have big.

1255
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 6: ARMS i MEAN i would think a good example of

1256
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 6: that you filed college, football, Right, yeah would probably be

1257
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 6: The TEXAS a AND m.

1258
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: Kid, Yeah Marcel. Reed, yeah you, know you, know.

1259
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 6: Really good, athletes pretty explosive, mover big. Arm you, KNOW

1260
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 6: i haven't. STUDIED i don't know if he's a good

1261
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,959
Speaker 6: quarterback or, not BUT i mean those are the kinds

1262
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 6: of players that now have become. Quarterbacks and those guys

1263
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 6: because they can. Run you, know teams want to. Win

1264
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 6: so whether you're in high school or, college the coach

1265
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 6: wants to, win so they use what he, has which

1266
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 6: is the ability to move and.

1267
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: RUN i THINK i read an article from Like Bruce

1268
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: feldman coaches because now we get a lot because the

1269
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: money's so.

1270
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: Bright in, college coaches kind of bounce back and.

1271
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: Forth and one THING i THINK i read, is you

1272
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: know why some guys that bounce from THE nfl to

1273
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: college and it's a little difficult for them because in the,

1274
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: pros as a defensive, coordinator you defend the running back

1275
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: right and the pass. Game but in college you defend

1276
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: the running, quarterback the running.

1277
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 2: Back and the pass game.

1278
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: Right it's a huge element of, it which, well and

1279
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: don't Forget Lamar jackson like five.

1280
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: Years, no most people don't run that level offense in THE.

1281
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 6: Nfl the other thing about college which makes it, different

1282
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 6: and you know this is the hash marks the wide

1283
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 6: side of the field and just like The Grand, Canyon so,

1284
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 6: SO i, mean you can do a lot of things

1285
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 6: to the wide side of the field that are incredibly

1286
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 6: difficult to. Defend there's just too much. Space THE nfl

1287
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 6: is not like.

1288
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: That, no it's. Not it's.

1289
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: Tighter, yeah BEFORE i get you out of, here this draft,

1290
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: CLASS i, mean you watch general, amount especially the tough,

1291
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: guys doesn't feel like a Who, no not a lot of.

1292
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: Pols Jamar Chase's Joe all another non. QUARTERBACK i think

1293
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: are The chiefs at nine gonna feel pretty. Good they're

1294
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: gonna get as good of a player as a team at.

1295
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: Four like what's the.

1296
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: Difference that's my point is that it's not like there is, like,

1297
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: Oh Joe all goes and there's a huge.

1298
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: Drop, well you know how the draft.

1299
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 6: Works, normally there's probably in a normal year fifteen to

1300
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 6: eighteen players that have true first round. GRADES i would

1301
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 6: bet this year there's. Ten, Yeah AND i think the receiver,

1302
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 6: Group i've done twelve. Receivers i'm done with. THEM i

1303
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 6: would bet that those twelve, Receivers i'm not done with.

1304
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 6: Receivers i've done with those. TWELVE i would bet that

1305
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 6: twelve are going to be in the eye of the.

1306
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 6: Beholder you, know it depends on the guy and how

1307
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 6: you think he fits in your.

1308
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 2: Scheme BECAUSE i don't think there's a.

1309
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 6: Receiver and this is my WHAT i feel based on

1310
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 6: the tape study of these twelve, GUYS i don't think

1311
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 6: there's a. Receiver you're gonna go, WOW i gotta have that.

1312
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 6: Guy he can do.

1313
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: Anything you're not big on THE usc, guy you, know

1314
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: relative to where you see.

1315
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 6: Him, YEAH i mean, again you, know AND i KNOW

1316
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 6: i know what you mean by saying you're not. BIG

1317
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 6: i think relative to, RIGHT i think that he's he's

1318
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 6: gonna probably be five or eleven one ninety. Five he's

1319
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 6: not a super. Athlete he's not truly. Explosive, yes he's very.

1320
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 6: Competitive the guy WHEN i finished watching who came to

1321
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 6: my mind Was Kalios.

1322
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: Shakir and you, KNOW i know someth round.

1323
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 6: PICK i, think who's been a fifth round at a, Boise,

1324
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 6: yeah who's been a nice?

1325
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: Player by the, way, good really?

1326
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 6: Good, Yeah and it's really good run after, Catch and

1327
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 6: that's all kind of reminded me.

1328
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: Of.

1329
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: NOW i know some people are talking them.

1330
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 6: UP i MEAN i saw someone compare him To molak

1331
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 6: neighbors And i'm, thinking come, on, yeah, No.

1332
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: Milik neighbors different. Animals, yeah, EXACTLY i Mean malik dighbors talent.

1333
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 6: One and by the, way the one thing about, receivers

1334
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 6: as you well, know is because teams throw the ball

1335
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 6: and depending on the, scheme and a guy could come

1336
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 6: in the league and Catch lemon could go to a

1337
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 6: team and catch eighty balls and people say he's, great you,

1338
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 6: know AND i have no problem with, that but just

1339
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 6: as an evaluation of the player and who he, is

1340
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 6: he's not a top ten pick in a, draft but

1341
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 6: he might.

1342
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: Be well, You.

1343
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: SHAKIR i was with Some lions people last, night not

1344
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: anyone that's for the, team but people that cover the,

1345
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,959
Speaker 1: team and we were talking About, Amen. Raw these guys

1346
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: are all not drafted in the first. Round you know

1347
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: The Saint brown was the fourth. Round, People samuel was

1348
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: the second, round right. Right you know you can get.

1349
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: These physical guys historically later and then it.

1350
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 6: Depends, Look i'm Under Saint brown taking nothing away from

1351
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 6: him BECAUSE i stand that as far as competitiveness and all,

1352
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 6: that he's off the. Charts but he played in A

1353
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 6: Ben johnson offense that is maybe the best schemed pass

1354
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 6: game in THE nfl in terms of against, zone in

1355
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 6: terms of spacing of, routes how it all works, together

1356
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 6: you know the details of how you put together pass.

1357
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: Game he's really good. Though yeah, No i'm Saying Ben

1358
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: ben is really.

1359
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 6: Good yeah, yeah, Yeah so again we're Not i'm not

1360
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 6: taking anything away From Mon Ross Saint. Brown i'm not

1361
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 6: with him every. DAY i, mean he's probably great in

1362
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 6: so many. Ways but if you just look at like pure,

1363
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 6: talent you're not gonna say that He's jefferson Or.

1364
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 2: Chase what About?

1365
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 6: Pooka puka is a fascinating. Guy he's, big he's. Physical

1366
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 6: have you ever seen a player like? HIM i, MEAN

1367
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 6: i guess on a certain, level and Maybe i'm. Nuts,

1368
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 6: debo you, know at his best was. Similar when't you

1369
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 6: say sim.

1370
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: Learn just because guys fall off of. Them, yeah, yeah,

1371
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: yeah he's runs through Like Adrian peterson or. Something But,

1372
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: PUKA i mean He's puka's a better route runner. Probably.

1373
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah he's a fascinating. GUY i mean he's turned

1374
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 6: into a, great great.

1375
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: RECEIVER i think the Problem i'll get you out of

1376
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: here on this on players like, that you, know to

1377
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: invest in how much receivers, cost it's how long is

1378
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: their shelf?

1379
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: Life right?

1380
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: Right because you go you look at some of the outside,

1381
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: guys you, know LIKE, jsn he's gonna be able to

1382
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: play for a long time with his skill.

1383
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: Set you look At, debo it just ended pretty.

1384
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: Quickly, Yeah and you, Know puoka in the dominant, fashion

1385
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be able to maintain this for seven straight, Years,

1386
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't.

1387
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: KNOW i, mean don't Forget.

1388
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 6: Puoka he's, great BUT i mean he's a physical, Player

1389
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 6: that's What i'm.

1390
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: Saying, YEAH i mean he plays is you know what?

1391
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: Off how long can you maintain playing a one hundred

1392
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: percent breaking? TACKLES i mean the year he had the

1393
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: last couple of years.

1394
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: Is Like, Jesus, no he's he's he's better than change The. Rams,

1395
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: yeah he's better THAN i thought he'd.

1396
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 6: BE i, mean no, quese he's probably better than pretty

1397
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 6: much everybody thought he'd.

1398
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: Be, yeah McVeigh. Included, yeah oh, yeah, yeah yeah, Yeah.

1399
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,960
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