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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants.

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Speaker 2: That's Giants. Dunt I like it?

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Speaker 1: Out of the Giants bubble.

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Speaker 2: Give me some job part of the Giants podcast network.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll Paul Tatino and Howard Cross here on the

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Speaker 1: Giants Fuddle. After the fourteen to three preseason opener, a

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Speaker 1: victory for the Giants over the Detroit Lions in a

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Speaker 1: rainy Metlive stadium and our you know, preseason openers, a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, they don't know what to expect.

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Speaker 1: Are they going to see some big plays? Are they

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Speaker 1: not going to see big plays? How many stars are

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Speaker 1: they going to see? How many they're not going to see?

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Speaker 1: Regardless of the circumstances and who played, I think Brian

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Speaker 1: Dables got to be fairly happy with what he saw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's happy with what he saw. I

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Speaker 2: think mostly when you think about this year, we're trying

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Speaker 2: to figure out mostly is the offensive line gonna be attacked?

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Speaker 2: You and Daniel Jones has had a couple couple of

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Speaker 2: rough years and he's been hurt pretty severely last couple

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Speaker 2: of years. And what I've seen in practice and practice

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Speaker 2: this week against the Lions and now even into the

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Speaker 2: preseason game with second, third and whatever group of guys playing.

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Speaker 2: The quarterbacks had time. The quarterbacks weren't getting hit a lot.

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Speaker 2: The running backs had time. They weren't getting hit in

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Speaker 2: the backfield. And when you see stuff like that, you

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Speaker 2: can tell that the team's making some real progress.

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Speaker 1: All right now, tonight, of course, we did not see

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Speaker 1: the Giants starters outside of I believe Tay Banks might

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Speaker 1: have been the only starter on either side of the

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Speaker 1: ball who actually started. No neighbors did start, neighbor, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: neighbors did start as well. All right, But let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this. We talk about the offensive line. They

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Speaker 1: had Drew Locke back there. He left the game with

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Speaker 1: a sore hip, and then Tommy DeVito came in your

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Speaker 1: assessment there as those guys tried to win backup jobs

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Speaker 1: because we know that maybe outside of Stinny, the guys

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Speaker 1: who played tonight are probably not in line for starting roles.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: So the offensive lineman of line did a good.

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Speaker 2: Job all around. I think they gave up maybe one

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Speaker 2: actual sack. I think a couple times when Drew got

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Speaker 2: hit he held on the ball along. You got to get

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Speaker 2: rid of it after three seconds, So that's something that's different.

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Speaker 2: We're not used to seeing quarterbacks have that much time

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Speaker 2: to throw the ball. So that was kind of good.

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Speaker 2: But I think they did a great job. Think they

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Speaker 2: in some holes. Now, I don't want everybody get too excited,

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Speaker 2: because that's basic runs. That's you know, that's power, not

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Speaker 2: even powered. It's like a double team up to the

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Speaker 2: second level. If you get your guy, well, you push

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Speaker 2: down on this guy, We're just gonna run to the

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Speaker 2: second level. As the old school football that they ran.

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Speaker 2: They did a good job doing all right.

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Speaker 1: So now we saw the team run for over one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards tonight to your point, and it

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Speaker 1: was Eric Gray and it was Turbo Miller. Even though

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Speaker 1: Tracy also had some runs in there early, those other

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Speaker 1: and they looked like they knew what they were doing

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Speaker 2: They did a good job. I think Gray had did

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Speaker 2: something I didn't expect to think he could outrun anybody,

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Speaker 2: did a great job reading the plays, putting his foot

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Speaker 2: He did good breaking off, good breaking off hits. Gray

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Speaker 2: was another plus for him. You know, the more versatile

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that running backs room right now looks like

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Speaker 1: Tracy's had a great camp to this point, and they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, you got started running back out,

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Speaker 2: You can't get enough reps. You can't get enough live

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Speaker 1: All right. Now we know Brian Dable was calling the

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Speaker 1: It's clear that in the beginning of the game, when

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Speaker 1: they wanted to try to get him the ball. I

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Speaker 1: It just didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Though. Yeah, he did a good job. I think I

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Speaker 2: look at that tape. He'll see he ran a kind

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Speaker 2: just got to run to go because once once that happens,

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Speaker 2: you got to run to go. I think another time

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Speaker 2: someone broke the pocket and you know, the receivers kind

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Speaker 2: Like it's not practice. You gotta keep running. You got

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Speaker 2: their plays to be had if you if you're willing

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Speaker 2: that's gonna be a big moment for him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so before I move over to defense, let me

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Speaker 1: ask you about you, Tommy DeVito. Because he got three

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Speaker 2: I think the Giants are probably gonna have to keep

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Speaker 2: for the most part he did a good job, you know,

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Speaker 2: out of your players, all of them they come up

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Speaker 1: One thing we've seen over the course of training camp

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Speaker 1: And I think that's gonna be something that Shane Bowen,

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Speaker 2: I think it didn't happen to night. And also it

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Speaker 2: The pressure was getting to guys, so it wasn't a

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Speaker 2: So the more pressure you put on the quarterback, the

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Speaker 2: some of the things we're just talking about. Neighbors and

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Speaker 2: filling holes. Where we've you know, lamented for the last

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Speaker 2: But the one on one not overrunning the play, not

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Speaker 2: It looked a lot better.

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Speaker 1: Looked like a lot of guys hustling to the ball.

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Speaker 1: A lot of team tackles, which is always a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Well when you do it when you're excited, and the

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Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: We heard from coach Gable and also Shane Bowen. This

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Speaker 1: We saw some of that tonight. Did anybody particularly kind

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Speaker 2: I think Bastroom did a good job. You know, a

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Speaker 2: So like he really kind of showed that, you know,

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Speaker 2: think some of the young kids that de tackle are

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Speaker 2: They look good and you know, and that's what you

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Speaker 2: you know, decks are gonna be up front. You're not

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Speaker 2: worried about those two guys. You need two other guys.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna back them up and they can come in

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Speaker 2: and rotate with them. You know that. You know, the

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Speaker 2: Burns and Thibodeaux are both gonna be on the outside.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be great players. You're gonna need two other guys.

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Speaker 2: They'll come in there and back them up. And I

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Speaker 2: would like for it to be three, you know, three

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Speaker 1: Well, they did have a couple of stops in the

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Speaker 1: red zone that did turn the ball back over to

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Speaker 1: the offense on fourth down, and that's always a nice

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you got to take that with a grain

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Speaker 2: of salt. You know, Dan was trying to get his

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Speaker 2: some live opportunities at fourth down plays. And it's a

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Speaker 2: good thing that we stopped in. But at the same

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Speaker 1: But did you see something out of these young corners

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Speaker 1: who were fighting for jobs as well, and even the

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Speaker 1: safeties that maybe kind of stuck out to you.

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Speaker 2: I thought that that early in the game the corners

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Speaker 2: did a really good job. I thought there may have

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Speaker 2: been a little handsy. I don't think they were calling

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Speaker 2: then in the second half, especially late in the second half,

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Speaker 2: the officials started like that's bad. I think they're like,

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Speaker 2: come on, this is the game. Was the game, come

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Speaker 2: let's move, let's move, And all of a sudden they're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: we can't just let it just be a free for all.

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Speaker 2: So I think as the game went on, it got

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Speaker 2: it got a little, it got a little tighter. But

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Speaker 2: the thing I noticed supposed about them is that they

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Speaker 2: were in position, they were playing their leverage. There wasn't

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Speaker 2: a lot of space, there was no deep balls, there

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Speaker 2: was nobody beating them from behind. They didn't even attempt

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Speaker 2: any balls going over their heads. So that's what you

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Speaker 2: really want to say.

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Speaker 1: Okay, final question has to do with special teams. What

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Speaker 1: did you think of the new kickoff rule and how

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Speaker 1: it worked tonight or for that matter, is something that

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Speaker 1: maybe surprised you or you didn't like very much about it.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that surprised me about the whole kickoff

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Speaker 2: thing was that I think one time, either he missed

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Speaker 2: the kick or he squibbed it and the ball didn't

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Speaker 2: go the distance, and then they hit the ground and

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Speaker 2: they threw a flag and I'm like, I'm like, but but.

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Speaker 1: And the Giants got the ball at the forty and

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Speaker 1: I'm like.

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Speaker 2: What just happened? I got the whole rule. I was like,

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Speaker 2: he swipped it and they get a ball to forty

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Speaker 2: and then I'm like, oh, so, I think that's going

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Speaker 2: to force teams to either kick it all the way

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Speaker 2: through the end zone because you can't kick it to

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Speaker 2: the end zone and think that they won't return it.

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Speaker 2: You can't be five yards deep in end zone and

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Speaker 2: think they won't return it because you can get because

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Speaker 2: I saw the holes develop, but the returner didn't quite

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Speaker 2: get to them in time. Was because I stood in the

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Speaker 2: end zone just so I could see what it's going

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Speaker 2: to look like. And you could tell. They took angles

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Speaker 2: and got on the edges of guys and made them

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Speaker 2: run big bubbles. Okay, and when they're running the big bubble.

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Speaker 2: If the returner is you know, once he gets the ball,

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Speaker 2: he's start of the field. Some returns are cutting right

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Speaker 2: and cutting left to try to like, you know, set

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Speaker 2: the block up. If you run straight ahead at that bubble,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Howard Cross is always good to see it. So the

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Speaker 1: Giants beat the Detroit Lions fourteen to three in the

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Speaker 1: preseason opener of both teams. This has been the Giants

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Speaker 1: huddle with rapid reaction to the Giants victory on Paultatino.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time.