1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: The cheerleaders at a gym in Buffalo have been recording 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: themselves to make a new documentary where the news reporters 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: because one year ago a mass shooting changed their lives. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: He just walked around shot all the black people. The 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: cheer squad, most of whom are black, had to figure 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: out how to go on and how to compete. I 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: wanted to win for them more than anything this season. 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Listen to the embedded podcast from NPR within the iHeartRadio app, 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carol Fisher and 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends. It's Las Vegas, 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: it's the nineteen nineties, and it is time to find 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: a husband. There were four Jewish doctors who were felt 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: to be eligible bachelors. One of them was of the 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: Baron bat On paper he was perfect, but in reality, 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: this guy's a wacko. He shouted to the point went unconscious. 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: I would call him and I would say, I know 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: you killed my sister. You can listen to The girl 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: Friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Hi, it's Elvis Duran on my new podcast, 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: Thinking out Loud with Elvis Duran. I'll be bringing you 21 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: candid and maybe sometimes a little crazy interviews with people 22 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: from all walks of life. We'll touch on subjects that 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 1: you just can't talk about on the radio, like life, love, success, failure, 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: or whatever else comes to mind, but all jacked up 25 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: because after being in this business for as long as 26 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: I have, I want to get to the bottom of 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: what makes people tick. And listen to my new podcast, 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Thinking Out Loud on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, It's me Isaac MS 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: Rahi and oh my god, we have such a special 31 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: guest coming up on Hello Isaac. It's the fabulous Andy Cohen. 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: He's here to talk to us about all the stuff 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: you want to talk to Andy about and Darling's That 34 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: episode is coming out on Monday, July thirty. First listen 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: to Hello Isaac on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. I've been receiving a lot of questions 37 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: lately since God told me to put my account public. 38 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: I had been hiding, specifically from all of the issues 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: that were surrounding my life in Ohio, and the most 40 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: common question they keep being asked is did you know 41 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: Jake Wagner was a murderer before you married him? This 42 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: is the Pikes and Massacre, a production of Katie Studios 43 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: and iHeartRadio, Season three, Episode three, The Alaska Wife and 44 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: the Father Figure. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at 45 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: Katie Studios with Stephanie Laidecker and Jeff Shane. Elizabeth Wagner, 46 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: who's voice we just heard taken from one of her 47 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: public social media posts, has been something of an elusive 48 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: figure in this case. After the massacre, we know, the 49 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: Wagner family liquidated all their assets and moved from Pike 50 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: County to Alaska to start a new life. For two years, 51 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: father Billy Wagner, mother Angela Wagner, eldest son George, and 52 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: youngest son Jake, along with the daughter he shared with victim, 53 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: Hanname Rodin, lived a quiet and unremarkable life. They attended 54 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: a local church regularly, and it was through the church 55 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: that admitted murderer youngest son Jake Wagner met his soon 56 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: to be young wife, Elizabeth. Elizabeth, often referred to as Beth, 57 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: as a wide eyed, slim woman in her twenties with 58 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: light blonde hair and blue eyes, she paints and was 59 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: a Sunday school teacher. Elizabeth would become the third young 60 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: woman to step into the Wagner's web. Here Special Prosecute 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: Angie Kaneppa speaking recently to Judge Deering and the Defense 62 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: about the significance of Elizabeth Wagner and her whereabouts. It 63 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: appears she's been in hiding. Judge, we would like to 64 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: interview Beth, who is Jake's ex wife, and we have 65 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: not been provided her address. She's a key States witness, 66 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: we believe, and we have tried to locate her. The 67 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: state says people are in danger, but they have not 68 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 1: filed anything to preserve or present that issue. Elizabeth Wagner 69 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: basically fled for her life when she left the Wagner Home. 70 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: I personally wrote a letter to the Social Security Administration 71 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: need or social Security number changed, so that she could 72 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: change her identity and not the address of potential harm. Understandably, 73 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: so the homicides had been committed by then, and she 74 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: was very much afraid for her life. So that is 75 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: the reason. It is because of potential danger to this 76 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: witness here's Stephanie and Jeff. Elizabeth serves as a very 77 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: big piece to this puzzle. She's appeared on several lists 78 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: as a potential witness. It also speaks to the fact 79 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: that there is a pattern here. We were able to 80 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: track down Elizabeth on social media, and because she's made 81 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: her post public, were able to play you some clips 82 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: from those. The most common questions I keep being asked 83 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: is did you know Jake Wagner was a murderer before 84 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: you married him? And the answer is not really. Because 85 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: he came to our church in Alaska, which was pastored 86 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: by Caleb Cinerewski at the time, who was a very 87 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: young preacher. He had vouched for the Wagner family and 88 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: told the congregation that it was his understanding that they 89 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: had been troubled by news reporters, but that it had 90 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: been a slander and that the things were not true. 91 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: That being the case, I was not exactly set up, 92 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: but in a way encouraged to believe that Jake Wagner 93 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: was innocent. So I got to know him. I spent 94 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: a fair amount of time with him and his family, 95 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: saw him every week at church for several months, spend 96 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: a fair amount of time with his daughter, and it 97 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: just came to be that he and his family needed 98 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: to move south from Alaska back to the lower forty eight. 99 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: I did not know the reasons for this at the time. 100 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: In retrospect, I have some personal opinions as to why 101 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: that may have been, But the main thing I just 102 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: wanted to communicate to people is that no, I was 103 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: not aware that Jake Wagner was involved so intimately with 104 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: these horrible, horrible killings, and that if I had known, 105 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: there's no way in a million years that I ever 106 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: would have married him. I was very, very, very upset 107 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: after all of these things went south so quickly. I mean, 108 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: I'd only just got married and then I find out 109 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: that my husband is not only not who I thought 110 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: he was, but literally a person's worst nightmare. So I 111 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: had to move three times since then, and I am 112 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: not allowed to speak publicly or in private about the 113 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: murders or I would face personal consequences from the legal 114 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: system of Ohio. This was a woman who was, by 115 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: all accounts, fearing for her life. Can you imagine being 116 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: a young girl living in Alaska you meet a guy 117 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: through your pastor marry into the family who you now 118 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: know to be a family of killers. There was one 119 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: thing that always struck us, and we weren't really able 120 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: to talk about it too deeply in season two. Is 121 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: that on Aga fifteenth, twenty eighteen, three months before the 122 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: Wagner family was in fact arrested, Elizabeth went to the 123 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: police in Pike County and filed a report of threats 124 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: and harassment and that her address at that time was homeless. 125 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: So that just offers a little insight into the life 126 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: that Elizabeth was living. Special Prosecutor Angie Kneppo was recently 127 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: in court detailing the horrific situation Elizabeth Wagner was in 128 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: when she lived with her husband, murderer Jake Wagner, Jake's 129 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: brother George, and their parents, Angela and Billie. It's a 130 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: story that might sound chillingly familiar given what we now 131 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: know about the Wagner's mistreatment of George's ex wife and victim, 132 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: Hannam Rodin, Jake's ex girlfriend. In regards to Elizabeth Wagner, 133 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: she ultimately knew in Bastill, Ohio with them and lived 134 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: within the defendant and his entire family. Again, they'll see 135 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: this same thing happening over and over again, defending his family, 136 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: controlling every movement of Elizabeth Wagner, including it limited to 137 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: demanding all of her personal identifying information, her passwords, et cetera, 138 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: and downloading tracking applications on the police one of her devices, 139 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: specifically her phone, so when she would leave the residents 140 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: to go to library to apply for a job, and 141 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: this all this information we have on the wire conversation 142 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: between George and Jay on the night of their wedding, 143 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: Jake asked for all of her identifying information, including passwords 144 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: to any emails, social media, etc. I would note that 145 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: was before they consummated their marriage, So that is how 146 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: pervasive this amount of control is. There's a few important 147 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: things to note in what Angie Kaneppa just laid out. 148 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: The first is how Elizabeth is the third woman who 149 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: entered the inner circle of the Wagner family to end 150 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: up under their complete control and running for her life. 151 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: The second is a reference Knepa makes to the recorded 152 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: wire conversations the prosecution is obtained between George and Jake Wagner. 153 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: It begs the question of what else will be revealed 154 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: in soon approaching core proceedings. The accusations of Elizabeth again. 155 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: They accused her of being mildly physically abusive with the 156 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: child and accused her of poisinga with soood. And basically 157 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: it was when Miss Wagner accused her of poisoning them 158 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: with food that is when the alarms went off in 159 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: her head because she was privy to conversations that they 160 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: were having about how Tabitha had done that. As a reminder, 161 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: Tabitha is George Wagner's ex wife who lived with the 162 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: family before they took custody of her son away. Yeah, 163 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: she was led to leave that Tabitha was this terrible 164 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: accusing But when she started being accused of things that 165 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: they had told her they accused Tabitha of, she became 166 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: very concerned for her well being. Jake and Angela Wagner 167 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: confronted her in the kitchen. This was the kitchen is 168 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: the source of family meetings typically amongst the Wagners, and 169 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: they confronted her because Angela had reported to Jane that 170 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: the child in the question had claimed abused by Beth Wagner, 171 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: and Beth adamantly denied this, and I would go to 172 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: the record that the child never repeated that to anybody else, 173 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: including Jake. But Jade didn't tell Miss Wagner that if 174 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: he ever learned that she hadn't in fact, abused this 175 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: child that he would beat her with a bat, and 176 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: that if he didn't do it, then his brother George would, 177 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: And if his brother George didn't, then Billy Wood and 178 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: that would be the right thing to do. You want 179 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: to talk about gas lighting in a situation. So Elizabeth, 180 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: now with the Wagners, is hearing accusations from the Wagners 181 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: about previous women, about them being bad and that they 182 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: were poisoning the children. Now with her, they create these 183 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: allegations saying that Elizabeth is poisoning the children. They're creating 184 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: these stories and rumors amongst each other and then threatening her. 185 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: If it's true me, Jake Wagner, your husband is going 186 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: to beat you with a bat. And if not me, 187 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: my older brother George, he's going to beat you with 188 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: a bat. Oh wait, if not him, my dad, Billy 189 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: Wagner is going to beat you with a bat over 190 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: a rumor that they're starting within their own little weird bubble. 191 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we're going to take a break. We'll be 192 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: back in a moment. Oh. 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These alleged threats against Elizabeth Wagner did not 264 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: only extend to her, but to her family as well. Tabitha, 265 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: George Wagner's ex wife and mother of his child, cut 266 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,239 Speaker 1: ties with the Wagners. She ran in the night from 267 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: their property, afraid for her life. We sadly know what 268 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: happened to Hannah may Roden. Finally, Jake's now ex wife, 269 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: Elizabeth was caught living the same nightmare. While Elizabeth was 270 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: only with Jake Wagner for a short time, she met 271 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: several relatives and friends in the Wagners in a circle. 272 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: Here's Jeff speaking with an anonymous Wagner friend and Angela's 273 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: half brother, Chris. What do you make of Elizabeth? She's 274 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: a little bit out there. I think she was a gullible. 275 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: I don't know. She was easy for Jake to target, 276 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: I think. And what about in Alaska Jake's wife, Elizabeth? 277 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: Did you ever hear of her or meet her or 278 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: talk to her? That girl was weird, just strange. Did 279 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: she come back to Ohio with them from Alaska? Yeah? 280 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: Do you know what happened to that relationship? Oh? They 281 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: split up. I don't know exactly why. This is our 282 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: anonymous Wagner source on what she thought about Elizabeth, specifically 283 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: how living with the entire Wagner family might have impacted her. 284 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: Did you know Elizabeth Jake's wife? I didn't know her 285 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: super well. I met her, I think three times, and 286 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: she was a little odd. If you ever watch her 287 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: things she has on like what's that thing called TikTok 288 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: stuff that she said on there and by all means 289 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: like said I was against it, saying that they didn't 290 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: kill no one and then supposed me they didn't like 291 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: Angela was a bit, you know, and told her what 292 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: to do and you know, stuff like I Yes, I 293 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: definitely think Angela would rule stuff like that with her, 294 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: especially living under her house, especially with the kids. And 295 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: I definitely think whenever Elizabeth started saying that Sudds was 296 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: calling her mom and stuff like that, I think Angela 297 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: is the one that took that way to heart. She 298 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: didn't like that SuDS as the nickname those close to 299 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: the child used for Angela's granddaughter Jake Wagner and Hannah 300 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: Roden's daughter. Angela obviously was a grandma, but I think 301 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: she played it off more if that she wanted people 302 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: to think that Sudsen was her kids also, if you 303 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: ever was around them, that's just the way it put off. 304 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: And what was your first impression of Elizabeth? The first 305 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: time I met her, she was like happy, go lucky 306 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: and talked and played with the kids and everything seemed cool. 307 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: And then the next time it was like she was 308 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: just set in the truck and they was here for 309 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: like three or four hours working on trucks, and she 310 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: just sent in the truck the whole time and didn't 311 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: want to talk to nobody. It was like she didn't 312 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: want to be here. You know, she didn't want to 313 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: be in Ohio. You know, she would have rather not 314 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: came down here. And then when she did, she knew 315 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: she made the mistake of coming here. I don't know 316 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: why or what. Besides, like I said, I think Angela 317 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: rolled her like one of her kids, you know, That's 318 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: what I think was. I think it was more Angela 319 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: on her than Jake would have been anything like that. 320 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: Jeff recently spoke with Wendy, an old family friend of 321 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: the Wagner's, about being invited to Jake and Elizabeth's wedding. 322 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: According to Wendy, before his arrest, killer's son Jake Wagner 323 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: was out and about in public, seemingly unbothered. They have 324 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: this little place called the Nail Chick here, and they 325 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: did this little cute fair that had animals and pig 326 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: races and just a few small rides and stuff. And 327 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: we just kind of all ran into each other and 328 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: sat down and started talking about how everybody was, how 329 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: everybody's been, because we haven't seen each other really since 330 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: we were kids. Wow, and so you're up in Alaska, Yes, 331 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: Like we all just kind of like sit back and 332 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: think like it's kind of weird that you moved to Alaska. 333 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: I didn't expect to run into them there because the 334 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: nail Chick from where they lived was kind of like 335 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: an hour and a half or so, So I wasn't 336 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: expecting to run into them there. So when we did, 337 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: I was nice. I said hello, you know, we talked 338 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: a few minutes. But I mean, that's really the only 339 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: inner action I've heard of them that in him inviting 340 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: us to the wedding. Is Elizabeth there with him? If 341 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: I remember correctly, she was with him and George and 342 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: their mom. That's who all was there. While they're speaking 343 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: to me. I never really met his girlfriend, so I'm 344 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: assuming that's who that was, the female that was with him. 345 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: Can you seem normal? Everything with the whole family was 346 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: kind of like talking to normal people. Nothing ever came 347 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: up about the situation, nothing crazy ever came from it. 348 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: And you didn't go to the wedding. I did not. 349 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: Why not? I don't know when they moved here, And 350 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: like I said, in the back of my head, I 351 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: kind of like was like, I wonder if they're involved. 352 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't involved myself with that. I stayed away as 353 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: far as possible to whenever they invited me. I was like, oh, 354 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: you know, that's cool. Congratulations, but then like hung up 355 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: the phone and was like, no, not going to that. Angela. 356 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: Wagner's role has centered on the narrative that she was 357 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: the one pulling the strings, the overbearing mother, obsessed with 358 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: being the ultimate matriarch. But what if everyone has it 359 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: wrong and Billy was calling the shots. We last saw 360 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: fifty one year old Billy Wagner in court in February 361 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two. He's facing twenty two criminal charges 362 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: and connection to the killings. At six foot six and 363 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy four pounds, Billy is an imposing figure, 364 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: but his hulking stature wasn't the only thing that got 365 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: our attention. In November of twenty eighteen, this was his 366 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: first court appearance regarding the murders, and he entered the 367 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: room with a scowl on his face and several noticeable tattoos. 368 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: The first is on his left arm, and this tattoo 369 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: is described by the Anti Defamation League as three interlocking 370 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: triangles known as the Knot of the Slain. It's of 371 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: Norse origin. On his right hand, between his point of 372 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: finger and thumb was also a scorpion tattoo. Some think 373 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: the eight segmented scorpion on Billy's trigger finger represents the 374 00:22:54,520 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: eight rodent victims. It's important to note that George Billy 375 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: have pleaded not guilty and have not yet stood trial 376 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: for the killings. Here's Katie Studios producer Chris Graves speaking 377 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: with death investigator Joseph Scott, Morgan, Stephanie and Jeff. Now. 378 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: I think that people look at Billy and my gosh, 379 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: you know, when you see him walking into a courtroom, 380 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: I think that he certainly makes lesser men shake. I mean, 381 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: he is an imposing presence. If folks have not seen 382 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: this guy on camera, do yourself a favor and take 383 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: a look at this guy's just physical dimensions, lumbering forth 384 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: into that courtroom, massive hands, these kind of odd tattoos 385 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: that he's got on his body. You know, he's just 386 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: a big, big man, imposing. You know, he is the 387 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: kind of guy you would not want angry at you. 388 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: So does that hulk that he presents as does that 389 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: mean that he's not capable of planning something like this? 390 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: Is it the reverse? Everybody's money has been on Angela. 391 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: How do we know you know, we have heard now 392 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: from multiple people about how Billy Wagner would grind his 393 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: teeth and it's such a scary visual. I actually thought 394 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: about this when I drove out by the Wagner home place. 395 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: You know, there was a story that came up that 396 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: every time Billy would get angry, his way of apologizing 397 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: to Angel was a golden binder of basket and that 398 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: her walls in her kitchen were decorated with these baskets. 399 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: And wow, isn't that something when you think about that, 400 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, and can you imagine being a family member, 401 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: even a peripheral family member that walks into the place 402 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: and the first thing you're gonna do is to look 403 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: up on the wall and see if Angel has added 404 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: another basket, you know, because anything that she says or 405 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: does you know, Billy's gonna fly out with the handle, 406 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: makes it gonna break something. I don't know. I don't 407 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: know what the family dynamic is, but I tell you this, 408 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: you've kind of got this material representation of it in 409 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: these things he would buy and she'd put them up 410 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: on the wall. Sure, but you also look at him 411 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: and you know, he's only had a seventh grade education 412 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: and would someone like that be capable of executing a 413 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: plan of this difficulty just to play a Devil's advocate. 414 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: I'll play that game. And you know, we can talk 415 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: about this being nuanced intellectually. I guess on one level. 416 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: But when you see the savagery and the brutality that 417 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: was exacted from a rodent family, I don't know, is 418 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: that a possibility. Could he be controlled at that level? 419 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: Or did he sit down and he had a few 420 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: lucid moments and he put this master plan together and 421 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: he's telling everybody what to do. I don't know. Hopefully 422 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: that's going to come out of court. And that's what's 423 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: so compelling about this, because we've got the brutality that's 424 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: well documented. Things are hidden from us at this point 425 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: in time for a good reason. It brings me back 426 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: to the overarching theme here, and that is who's calling shots. 427 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: Did it surprise you that it happened to be Jake 428 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: and Angela that took the please out of the four 429 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: of them. It's not surprising to me that those two 430 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: would kind of meil together, if you will, and it's 431 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: going to be Billy and George against the world at 432 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: this point in time. I hope that they've got sufficient 433 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: defense counsel, because it's going to be a hard hill 434 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: for them to climb. Let's stop here for another break. 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Jotappato. 498 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: If you use beats by Dre is that considered? Brian, 499 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: I'm just showing you that my mind is quick, if 500 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: not that funny. And Mandy Moore. We're all crossing the 501 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: line together. Listen to the pen Pals podcast on Will 502 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: Ferrell's Big Money Players Network, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, 503 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Scerely your New pen Pals. 504 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: Daniel van Kirk and Rory Scobel. In speaking with people 505 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: who knew the Wagner family, we learned about the dynamics 506 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: in the family, and George and Billy seemed to butt 507 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: heads quite a bit. We also learned that there were 508 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: sort of alliances within this cult like family. Angela and 509 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: Jake were described to us as very close and often together, 510 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: and on the other side of that George and Billy 511 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: were often very close and together, and people went out 512 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: of their way to say that Angela and George did 513 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: not spend a lot of time together, and Jake and 514 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: Billy did not spend a lot of time together. So 515 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear that despite being on the outside 516 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: a very tight for some, there were some cracks in 517 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: that and some kind of power dynamics going on behind 518 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: closed doors. And to that end, there had also been 519 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: rumors that accused dad Billy Wagner was possibly not the 520 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: father of youngest son Jake Wagner. We did, in fact 521 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,959 Speaker 1: go down that rabbit hole and pulled records and in 522 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: fact pulled Jake Wagner's birth certificate, and both Billy Wagner 523 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: and Angela Wagner are in fact listed as his parents, 524 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: So we put that rumor to rest. But again in 525 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: the town it spoke to sort of an alliance between 526 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: Angela Wagner and her youngest son, Jake Wagner, and maybe 527 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: how Billy Wagner and George Wagner the eldest son, that 528 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: they were fractured family. Here again is Angelo Wagner's have 529 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: brother Chris, speaking to Jeff about what he thought of 530 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: Billy Wagner and Angelo Wagner's relationship. How would you describe 531 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: Angela and Billy's relationship from when I was around it? 532 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: He treated her like shit and I mean just talked 533 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: to her like she less. A third, Billy continues to 534 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: proclaim his innocence and his attorneys have requested the death 535 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: penalty be dismissed before the trial. This request has been 536 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: denied in that hearing Judge Randy During ruled that Billy 537 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: Wagner's trial will start no later than October thirty first, 538 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Based on our research, Billy Wagner has 539 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: been in trouble with the law before. Charges include more 540 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: serious ones like tampering with evidence and receiving stolen property 541 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. There are also some minor 542 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: offenses such as speeding, driving without mud laps on his truck, 543 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: and voting without flotation devices. It should be noted that 544 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: the last charge happened in Alaska, so post Road and murders. 545 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: Billy Wagner was enjoying some time on the lake. Frederica 546 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: Wagner is Billy Wagner's mother. Patricia, worked for many years 547 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: for Frederica. Patricia was also accused murderer George Wagner's former 548 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: mother in law. All that to say, Patricia has many 549 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: in roads to the Wagner's. Frederick can stand Angela. She 550 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: always believed that Angela married Billy for the money. She 551 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: thinks Angela got breggnant just to trap Billy so she 552 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: could get to the Wagner money. Do you think Angela 553 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: felt that? And Angela could tell that Frederica did not 554 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: like her and not approve of her. Oh, yeah, they 555 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: never did get along, I know you. One time she 556 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: worked for fred she quit. I don't know what all 557 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: that was over. Patricia's relationship with Frederico was a working one, 558 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: but the two were very close and Patricia got in 559 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: to mat insights into the Wagner family's life, especially Frederica 560 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: and her late husband, Bob Wagner Billy's parents. What was 561 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: Frederica's husband like? He was a sweetheart. He didn't cause 562 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: no trouble for nobody. He stayed on the farm except 563 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: for him go to Crocker's a good grocery shop. And 564 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: he stayed on the farm and worked with him horses 565 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: until passed dark. And Frederica would get on to him 566 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: all time, but working too long and too hard, especially 567 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: the older he got. And we're sitting in the room 568 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: one day and he said the sweetest thing, and I'll 569 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: never forget it. We're sitting there watching the horse races 570 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: and Frederica came in. She said up to mom, and Jesus, oh, 571 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: you don't want to seem old. What I can say? 572 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 1: He looked her, and he's a sweetheart. When I look 573 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: at you, I see you the day I met you. 574 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: Jess is beautiful and she's been down to give him 575 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: a big old kid, And that was the sweetest thing 576 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: I'd ever seen in my life. I'm thankful that Mom 577 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: got Alzheimer's there when all this happened, so he didn't 578 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: really know what was going on. But it kills me 579 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: that Frederick has to go through it. Frederica and Bob 580 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: Wagner had a long marriage and worked on a horse farm. 581 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: They owned the Flying w In addition to raising prize ponies, 582 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: the Wagner's also bred dogs. It seems a wholesome living, 583 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: but there have been some rumors of Wagner's misdeeds. Turns 584 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: out that Frederica Wagner, often known as the pious head 585 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: of the hard working Wagner family was umbrelled with some 586 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: questionable dealings on behalf of her son, Billy. We know 587 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: that Billy and Angela Wagner were convicted of receiving stolen 588 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: property in twenty twelve. The specifics of the following story 589 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: are Patricia's recollection of events. Here again Patricia speaking with 590 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: Stephanie and Jeff. A lot of Billy pads. Billy's gotten 591 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: in trouble and gone to jail board do you know 592 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: for what? Yeah, they would pull up to stop and 593 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: Billy rig up to a trailer and take off with 594 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: it and whatever goods were inside they would sell and 595 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: they got busted for a couple of times Billy had 596 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: the rig And what got them caught is that they 597 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: told a truck load of boot and they took them 598 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: to the Sea market sell them. And the police said 599 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: they looked them gotten caught if they just sold the 600 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: boots by themselves. That they sold the boots in the 601 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: box which has tracking numbers on them. To what got 602 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: them caught. Billy Wagner and Angela went to jail over that, 603 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: and a couple of other people had gone to jail 604 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: with them because they were in on it. Too, Yes, 605 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: heard versions of this story. The only reason I know 606 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: is because I was sent to the jailhouse in Bike 607 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: County to put money on their books. That's the only 608 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: reason I know. So it's not here say for me 609 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: put money on their books. That means like for commissary 610 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: and phone calls and stuff. Yeah, who called you and 611 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: asked you to do that? My boss? Oh Frederica, okay, 612 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: got it. And if money wasn't really an issue, because 613 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: we've always heard too that, oh, well, the Waxman's family, 614 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 1: it's prestigious and they have money. They have money, and yes, 615 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: Fredericka does have some old money, but most of the 616 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: money that Fredericka has she worked herself to the bone. 617 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: Her and her husband boat. But Billy was spoilt. He 618 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: got everything, and Bob would get so mad that Fredericka 619 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: would hand Billy money like you wouldn't believe it, just 620 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: handed to it, because if she didn't, you threw a bit. 621 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: So she's bully. It's just one bogure after another with him. 622 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: But it breaks my heart to see her and her 623 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: daughter and her other son go thruthian. And my honest 624 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: opinion is, yeah, part of it may have been behind 625 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: but there's something greater behind it. They've drugged other family 626 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: members in cousins and girlfriends and brothers. To me, it 627 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: maybe have something to do with that one little girl. 628 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: But to me, there's a bigger reason. You can't yell 629 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: me the day won't be in and healed eight people 630 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: over one child. I'm never gonna believe that. I don't 631 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: know why they did it, or if they did it 632 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: for somebody else. I don't know that between them God, 633 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: whoever they did it for. Who that may be is 634 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: not clear to us. As we await upcoming child dates, 635 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: more evidence continues pouring out. According to this document, if 636 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: it's true, George only goes along at the last minute 637 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: to protect Jake from his own father. The document Anjeanette 638 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: is referring to is Motion eighty filed by George Wagner's 639 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: defense attorneys. What's going on when big brother thinks I 640 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: gotta go along to protect my little brother because dad 641 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: might kill him, It doesn't really kind of make you 642 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: think who was calling the shots in this operation. The 643 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 1: state made a deal with the devil basically anyway says 644 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: we made to deal with the devil unfortunate in this case, Well, 645 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: it seems that mister Wagner drives semitruck for a living 646 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: and the government put a bug in it. They're saying, basically, 647 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: the cops were doing things to try to egg these 648 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: people on so that they would say things on wiretops. 649 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: It's called tickling the wire It's very common they put 650 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: information out and then see if anything's come of it. 651 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: I think they use this in mob cases and stuff 652 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: like that. I'm looking at this and I'm thinking to myself, 653 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: what on earth could be so damning in these recordings. 654 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: I guess George in this scenario was ready to die 655 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: for his brother. That would be one hell of a 656 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: car ride, wouldn't it. More on that next time. If 657 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: you're enjoying The Pips and Massacre, listen to our other 658 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: hit series Crazy and Love. New episodes there every Tuesday. 659 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: Wherever you get your podcasts from information and case photos. 660 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios. 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