1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: You know, my whole life since I was a little 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: kid was to play pro baseball. I mean, I wanted 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: to be in the big leagues. First game, I got 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: one play on kickoff cover and I'm we had said 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: earlier in the game kind of the way the game 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: was shaking out, like early in the fourth quarter, that 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: justin was just like, you'd just be ready for for 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: us to have to win this game here in a 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: little bit. And it turns out we did. Welcome into 10 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: the Lounge presented by Draft Kings. Another big week. The 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: Ravens are riding a winning streak. Garrett's streaked two in 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: a row. That's a streak. I thought it was you 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: know the movie Major League. Yeah, I thought I had 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: to get the three. I thought he said three if 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: you just said joke, that was the joke. After they 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: the second that's what we call a streak, and said 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: it two and one, tied with everybody else in the 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: FC North. No that's not true. Yeah, they they're tired 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: with the Browns and the Bengals, um and and going 20 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: into a game against the undefeated Denver Broncos, who said 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: at three and now played three three of not the 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: highest caliber teams yeah, they played three winless teams. Three 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: winless teams. However, you play who's on your schedule, they're 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: part they're part of the reason those teams are winless. 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: That's what I was just about the set. So it 26 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: should be a good game, honestly. Out in Denver, their 27 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: offense is playing pretty well with Teddy Bridgewater and there 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: they have a good defense. Vic Fangio's former defense coordinator 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: was a coach here in Baltimore for a little while, 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: and uh, he's doing a good job out there. So 31 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: it should be a really good game. As you know, 32 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: as usual, already went down my list on the schedule. 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: Nothing's changed, Dubs. So but before we get to that, 34 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: we gotta relive the past a little bit here exactly, 35 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: like this is one of those of course, do you 36 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: turn the page? You know, sure, of course everyone wants 37 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: to turn the page. But you save her that, you 38 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: save her a win like that. For a while they 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: wanted Detroit. Yeah, you save her went in Detroit. I'll 40 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: tell you what. Justin Tucker ran out to Actus today. 41 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: He had like one of those tint advisors. You don't 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,639 Speaker 1: see that very often, for you don't see that the kicker, 43 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: so the rights are to the lights are too bright 44 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: for him right now, exactly exact star. Yea, he probably 45 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: got put up to that. Somebody was like, you got 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: to wear the tint advisor. I mean obviously epic as 47 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: we talked about, still kind of buzzing from that one. Uh. 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: But one of the guys, the other star of that 49 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: whole operation, that really hasn't got enough love. You know, 50 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: we could have had Tucker on the podcast. We could 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: have had him. We've had Tucker on a few times. 52 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: We've had him on a few times. You know, he's 53 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: getting a lot of interviews right now. He's getting a 54 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: lot of buzz. Yeah, I could add Sam on. Sam's great, 55 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: we've had him on before. But there's one part of 56 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: that operation who we haven't talked to who doesn't get 57 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: the love, and that is long snapper Nick Moore. And 58 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: Nick has an incredible story. He threw back a perfect 59 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: snap and his justice said after the game, Nick goes 60 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: back a perfect snap, Sam throws down a perfect coal ball, 61 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: kicks itself, kicks itself, as we all know exactly, I 62 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. Sixty six yard just kicks itself. It 63 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: really started with Nick Moore, so that's why we brought 64 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: him in here to talk to him. Let's jump into that. Well, Nick, 65 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. So we all know that Justin 66 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: Tucker's a goat, right. We all know that fourth nineteen 67 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: Lamar to Sammy, I mean now is an epic play, right, 68 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: But are we all overlooking the true hero here because 69 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: that never happens without the snap? Right, This is true. 70 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm there, just doing my job. It all has to 71 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: start with you, buddies. Don't take anything, but don't be 72 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: too honest. It's uh in the grand scheme of it's 73 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: it's easier than what Justin and Sam have to do. 74 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: So I'm just doing the best I can for them, 75 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: trying to make their job as easy as possible, and 76 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: unfortunately it worked out for us. That's how cool was 77 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: it though? I Mean, Justin afterwards in a bunch of interviews, 78 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: and you know, part of it he's being funny, but 79 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: it's like, it's your first game winning snap, you know, 80 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big moment for you. Yeah, I'm 81 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: only four games into my career. Uh So obviously that 82 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: was a huge moment for me individually and us as 83 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: a team. And obviously Justin within being an NFL record kick, 84 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it was it was something else 85 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: that was that's for sure. It was definitely a crazy experience. 86 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: You know, we were talking just before we started here. 87 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: The thing that's crazy about it to me is that 88 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: how quickly it happens and how you guys need to 89 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: get ready. Like oftentimes for fans, they don't necessarily see this, 90 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: but you and Sam are often kind of going through 91 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: your routine on the sidelines to get prepped. But everyone's 92 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of sitting there thinking like, I mean, it's fourth 93 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: and nineteen, You're on the wrong side of the field, 94 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,679 Speaker 1: there's only what thirty seconds left, and everyone's kind of thinking, 95 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: this is probably not gonna happen. I don't know if 96 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: you're thinking of that. I honestly I was thinking that 97 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: it was definitely you know, the odds stacked against you 98 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: and fourth and nineteen and you're on your own dirty 99 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: yard line. I mean, you got we know, we got 100 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: to get at least a twenty or thirty yard game 101 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: for us to be even close to field goal range um, 102 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: which obviously we were on the edge of it after 103 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: the completion. But I mean Sam does a good job 104 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: of of keeping us all in check on the sidelines 105 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: and making sure that we're always ready to go. And 106 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: um when when when we got the first down, I mean, 107 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if we were expecting it or not 108 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: expecting it, but we were ready to go. We knew 109 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: we had said earlier in the game kind of the 110 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: way the game was shaking out, like early in the 111 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, that justin was just like, you'd just be 112 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: ready for for us to have to win this game 113 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: here in a little bit. And it turns out we did. 114 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: Do you do you even have time to get nervous? 115 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: Uh No, not really. I mean that that's uh particular scenario. 116 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: We just like you're you're sitting there, it's third and twelve. 117 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: You know, your your quarterback gets sacked for six or 118 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: seven yard lost in You're like, man, you know now 119 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: it's fourth and nineteen. Like, probability is lower than one percent. 120 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: You know, we're looking at less than one tenth of 121 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: a percent that we're gonna be able to get close 122 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: enough to kick a field goal. Um. But at the 123 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: same time, we're always ready to rock. On the sidelines, 124 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: We're snapping the whole entire time the offense is out there. Uh. Um. 125 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: And then going into it. We're just do what we 126 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: do every day on the practice field and it works out. 127 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: You talk about Sam kind of keeping you locked in. 128 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: What does he say? How does he do that? Sam is? 129 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: Sam has been in the NFL for a long time 130 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: as is Uh, most everybody around the NFL knows. He's 131 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: a He's a hard working guy. Man. He just keeps 132 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: his head down. He works all the time. He's like 133 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: all business. I feel like the sideline, like anywhere I'm 134 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: getting into I'm getting in the crack up a little 135 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: bit more this year. I'm I'm much more laid back. Um, 136 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: I like to he he kind of said something with 137 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: about three minutes ago in the game, I was we 138 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: were sitting on the bench, our defense was out there, 139 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: and I was talking a lot, and I was like 140 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: my knees, like I my I was kind of like 141 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: bouncing my knees a little bit, and he just looks 142 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: at me. He's like, dude, you gotta calm down. He's like, 143 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: you're just I'm like, I don't feel nervous, Like I'm excited, 144 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: Like I get an opportunity to potentially win the game 145 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: for the team, Like you know, I was excited for 146 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: it is my first chance. And you know, Sam was like, dude, 147 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: you gotta you're freaking me out here. You gotta you 148 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: gotta calm down a little bit. Otherwise I'm gonna get nervous. 149 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: Um I do. I'm like, I was like, dude, you 150 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: don't like we're sitting next to each other the team meetium, 151 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: like you gotta know that I'm just always bouncing my knee. 152 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: But he he was like, well, I do. But when 153 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: you start talking a lot, I know you're getting kind 154 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: of nervous. Well, You're not wrong there. I definitely was, 155 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: but it was like an excited like I wasn't scared 156 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: that I was gonna not do well. It was like 157 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm finally going to get a chance to like go 158 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: out there in a huge moment. You know, I watched 159 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: a lot of these moments last year with the game 160 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: winner against Cleveland and other kicks like that. Like for 161 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: me to finally get an opportunity to go out there 162 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: in a huge moment like that and and be able 163 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: to kind of show everybody what I've been working on 164 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: for the last five years or how long I've been 165 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: doing this long snapping biz. But I mean it was 166 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: I mean it was worth I mean, it was awesome, 167 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: Like it was a great experience, probably the best experience 168 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: I've had ever in sports. And that's saying something that's cool. 169 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: And you got a game ball. Hard gave a game 170 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: ball to each of the three specialists. What do you 171 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: do with that one? That one's gonna get put in 172 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: the case and hung up on the on the shelf 173 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: in my house. Um, it was my first ever game ball. Um, 174 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: it's a big deal because we don't get we don't 175 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to say we don't get the recognition 176 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: we need. Obviously we do with Justin and Sam, but 177 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: we uh some you know, we're just kind of expected 178 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: to do our job in a situation like that, or 179 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: any time in the game we go out on the 180 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: field like we're expecting to get points, whether it's a 181 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: field goal or an extra point. So, I mean, it's 182 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of a huge honor to get kind of 183 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: put out in front of the team. Usually we were 184 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: clapping for all the other guys that are getting the 185 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: cheers and all that stuff, but it's cool to be, uh, 186 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: the guys who get kind of cheered on by the 187 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: whole team and picked up in the locker room. So 188 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: it's pretty neat. So you know how it is in 189 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: the NFL. You know, you do something great and then automatically, 190 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: people like us try to turn the page. So you've 191 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: had a record now, Justin has had the record for 192 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of days. Now, you're going to 193 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: Denver thin Air, So can you break it this week? 194 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: Come on, if we get an opportunity to, we're gonna 195 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: try it. I know Justin he's he's definitely, he's been 196 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: looking forward to this game since they put it on 197 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: the calendar. Um, we didn't expect to kick a record 198 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: NFL kick last week, but given an opportunity, I mean, 199 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: he does it every day. We see it all the 200 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: time in practice and we hit sixty five yard field 201 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: goes in practice and he had seventy yards off the sticks. 202 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: Doesn't make them all, but he makes enough to be like, man, 203 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: this guy can definitely make it from that far back. 204 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: So if we get an opportunity to, you know, it's 205 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the times, you know you're get in 206 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: a situation like that where it's fourth and medium too 207 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: short and you're in midfield, we're gonna go for it. 208 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: When we got Lamar Jackson. So we don't get a 209 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: lot of those opportunities unless it's into game, into half situation. Um, 210 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: just because of our offense is so good. I mean, 211 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: Lamar's Lamar, so he can get a first down on 212 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: just about anything. Um. So coach likes to go for 213 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: it in those situations when it's kind of on the customs. 214 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: So what you said, since talked about this game, what's 215 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: he said? He's just excited. I mean, everybody knows the 216 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: ball goes farther in Colorado. I mean, look at the baseball. 217 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: You're gonna look at the Coors Field. Ball flies like 218 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: crazy out there. Homer on Derby was out there. It 219 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: was like a freaking home run fest out there. But 220 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: I mean you just watch. You know, the ball goes 221 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: further out there. Everybody does. So if you, I mean, 222 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: like as a player, especially as a kicker, you know, 223 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: you you think, how is it possible to break a 224 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: sixty four yard record? I mean Mile High Stadium is 225 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: the place to break it. I mean that's like the 226 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: ideal spot. Yeah, Matt Frater set sixty four yarder and 227 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: now that was like late in the year though, which 228 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: makes it a little harder, a little harder, but still 229 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: definitely harder to kick in the winner, but it definitely 230 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: makes it. It's the more ideal spot in Denver, but 231 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: we'll take it in Detroit. Man, that was inside the 232 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: perfect conditions. It was. It was awesome. Well more question 233 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: on that. Did you know, Like, did you guys know 234 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: if I would have asked you Sunday morning, what's record 235 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: for the longest field goal? And any before? Okay, all right, 236 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: we keep up with that. Our guy can, our guy 237 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: has the leg to do it. So that's definitely something 238 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: on the radar. We always talk about, like the distance, 239 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: like the range we need for a field goal, like 240 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: for situations like that, um like end of half type 241 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: stuff like how far how close do we have to 242 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: get for us to make a field goal? And anything 243 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: on the plus side of the field is what Justin 244 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: always says. And that's where we were plus so that works. 245 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: That is wild. Did he did after the sixty one 246 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: yard or in Detroit eight years ago? Was there any 247 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: kind of feeling from him? Did he say anything about 248 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: like this is kind of a special place for me, 249 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: Like he talked about it after the fact after the game. 250 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: I know he had said he was going to buy 251 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: a house in the rum. But I mean he you know, 252 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: he may have been thinking about it. He didn't vocalize 253 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: anything to us. Obviously, Sam Sam was there for that kick, 254 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: so I was in football. Wasn't even on the radar 255 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: for me, So I uh, I had no idea until 256 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: we were there. After the game. We were talking about it, um, 257 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: But no, I mean, he's he's the he's the best 258 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: kicker in the league, and he just he wants to 259 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: kick the biggest, longest field goals he can all the time. 260 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: And you know, unfortunately got an opportunity to do something 261 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: pretty special. What were your nerves like when you go 262 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: out there for that snet? You know, I was, I 263 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: was thinking in my head like when I thought about 264 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 1: when I would get a game winner, because we do 265 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: like simulated stuff in practice, like in the game, you know, 266 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: we're down by one in the Super Bowl, stuff like that, 267 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: just to kind of build up your nerves a little bit. 268 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: But it's never quite the same when you go out there. 269 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: But I I expected myself to be nervous, and I 270 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: just I don't know if I was or wasn't, But 271 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't next Like, it wasn't bad, Like I was 272 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: more so excited kind of what I said earlier, just 273 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: for me to finally get an opportunity, and like, I 274 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: have so much faith in I got like Sam and 275 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: justin that as long as I do my job exactly 276 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: how I'm supposed to do it, then they're gonna do theirs. 277 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: And you know, we're gonna have events like that where 278 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: we make a six or six yard game winner, and 279 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: it's kind of what we expect, you know, they have, 280 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: they have expectations for me. It's really high because of 281 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: my predecessor, Um, and so I'm just trying to do 282 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: do the best I can do my job every single 283 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: time that we go out there, try to make it 284 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: as easy as I can for them. Unfortunately, Sam said 285 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: that was I actually did good on that one, so 286 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: well the natural segue there, Um, we do want to 287 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: kind of share some of your backstory. It's an interesting backstory, 288 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: and you have moved into this role where you're replacing 289 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: Morgan Cox, who has had been a trench here for 290 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: so long. If you google Ravens long Snapper right now, 291 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm still there, that doesn't help. It doesn't help. I 292 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: took his I I asked him if I could be 293 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: be number forty six, So some people still think it's 294 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: Morgan out there. I'm sure I get I get I 295 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: get the actually the Chiefs head coach. Uh. I think 296 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: he mistakenly called me Morgan. Um, I was not the 297 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: head coach, that special team's coach. I think he was 298 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: just uh, kind of in the moment, just instinctually went 299 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: with more because he's been here. I mean, he was 300 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: here for eleven seasons, so it's easy to make that, 301 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: make the mistake. And we I'm I'm a little bit 302 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: bigger than Morgan was as far as like size. He 303 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: was taller than me a little bit, but same number general, 304 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: same bodies, Like we walked similar Like yeah, I just 305 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: always said, hey, nice to see a coach kept on 306 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: going down the side, kept on going down to snap. 307 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: But I mean it's definitely, uh, it's definitely huge choose 308 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: to fill. You know, as far as long snapping goes, 309 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: I think that's as big as you can make it. 310 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: Um Morrigan, in my opinion, is the best long snapper 311 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: to ever play the game. He's obviously still playing, um, 312 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: but you know, he's he's a dear friend of mine 313 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: and he's helped me out tremendously Still, he texted me 314 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: right after the game, called me, Um talked to all 315 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: three of us. Um, you know, he's been He's been 316 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: a huge part of of kind of why I'm able 317 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: to do things like that, you know, kind of have 318 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: the faith because I've been able to work with a 319 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: guy like that for so long and kind of have 320 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: him in my in my corner all the time. So 321 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: he's a he's a stand up guy and and uh, 322 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, I will always be someone special to me. 323 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: Was that significant? I mean I could see in a 324 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: lot of situations that I mean, you replaced him of 325 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: the Ravens made the decision to move off from him 326 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: this offseason because they had confidence to you that I 327 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: could see that there would be situations where that relationship 328 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: is not particularly rosy, right mor Is. You know, it's 329 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: it's always difficult when things like that happen. But uh, 330 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: you know, Morgan Is is such a class act individual. 331 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he's such a great guy and a true 332 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: genuine person. You know, he He's dealt with a lot 333 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: of stuff in his career. He's had competition every year 334 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: he was here. Um, you know, so he's he's he 335 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: wasn't new to it, Um, But I couldn't have asked 336 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: for a guy to handle something like that better. I mean, 337 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a whirlwind because you get a 338 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: usually when you're in a position like we have we 339 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: do where we play long snapper, it's it's not a 340 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: very if you're good, there's not a lot of turnover. 341 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: You get guys like Don Milbach who played seventeen years 342 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: in the same place, and there's no like, there's no 343 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: real need to turn over if you're doing well. Um. 344 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: Here it's different. You know, coach our balls he's a 345 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: special teams coordinator by trade. UM, so he's he's very 346 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: involved in special teams, and he's very good when it 347 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: comes to he's got a lot of knowledge. He's he's 348 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: a very knowledgeable coach when he comes to special teams. 349 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: And so we we kind of pay attention to some 350 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: stuff that other teams might overlook just because of of 351 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: our head coach Um, and we have a very high 352 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: standard here. And they made the decision that they made 353 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: because they you know, they were looking towards the future. 354 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess, I mean, I think Morgan can 355 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: play for a long time. He's still he's still proven 356 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: right now, he's the best player at our position. So 357 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it's tough. He's excited for 358 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: me because I get my opportunity. UM. I think he's 359 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: happy now. He's back home in Tennessee. Um gets to 360 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: be home. He just had his third baby recently, so 361 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: he's close to the family. You know, he'll probably hopefully 362 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: he'll finish his career there. He deserves everything that he gets. 363 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: He's a great a great player, and a great man. 364 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm excited. I'm happy for him, and you know, 365 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just glad he is the way he is 366 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: because it would have been a much more it would 367 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: have been a much more difficult thing, especially last year, 368 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: me being here the whole year. UM, A lot of 369 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: guys wouldn't have handled that as well as he did 370 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: and been even kind of positive towards me. Whereas Morgan 371 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: was like a really dear friend and he was a 372 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: great friend. We still talk every day, we still watch 373 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: film with each other all the time, we play video 374 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: games together at night. You know, like he's uh, he's 375 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: just an all around great guy. And I couldn't have 376 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: asked for a better mentor and a guy learned from 377 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: and to be around for a year, because a lot 378 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: of times, I mean, not many teams even like carrying 379 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: an extra long snapper in training camp er or don't 380 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: it teams don't only handful do and then once they 381 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: keep on the practice squad beyond that, then you're like, well, yeah, 382 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: that was yeah that that hardly ever happens. I mean, 383 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: I think with the expanded COVID roster last year and 384 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: this year, I think it allowed the Ravens to do 385 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: something like that, kind of like a red shirt ish 386 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: type year. Um. Obviously I did a lot more last 387 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: year than long snapper. I was doing all kinds of 388 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: scout teamwork, just trying to earn my paycheck every week. 389 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: Be I was doing tight end and fullback. Yeah, so 390 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: I was doing a little bit everything. Played a lot 391 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,719 Speaker 1: of different positions, helped the team outnyway I couldn't practiced. Um, 392 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: so it's it's definitely different. You know, that doesn't happen 393 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: every day, not. I mean, you're lucky if you get 394 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: five to seven teams that have an extra long snapper 395 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: and training camp. Um, and it's almost impossible to be 396 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: in a long snapper extra on the roster um just 397 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: because it's most of us. I don't I don't want 398 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: to knock everyone, but a lot of us aren't the 399 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: best athletes, so it's really hard. It's it's really hard 400 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: to fill a role in the practice squad because you know, 401 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: most of us can't do other stuff. Fortunately, I played 402 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 1: fullback at Georgia for three years. UM did a lot 403 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: of scout team work there, so I had a lot 404 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: of experience with with doing that kind of stuff. So 405 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: that definitely played a role. And obviously they they had 406 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: bigger plans for me that I didn't know about UM, 407 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: so that's kind of why I guess that's kind of 408 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: why they kept me around. One question that we hear 409 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: a lot is is it still the wolf Pack? It 410 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: is the wolf Pack? It's wolf Pack two point Oh yeah. 411 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: I'll never I mean, I'll never feel I'll never be 412 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: Morgan Cox. You know, he was a once in a 413 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: lifetime guy. But uh, you know, I'm just out here 414 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: doing my best. He kind of set the standard for 415 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: for me and any long time that comes beyond this 416 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: is how we do it. And I'm just doing the 417 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: best I can to make sure it's exactly the same. 418 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: So there's there's no there's no uh, there's no steps 419 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: backwards from him, transitioning from him. So so opposing coaches 420 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: still call you more Yeah, yeah, exactly if I do 421 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: my job, well, it's not necessarily an insult they're calling. 422 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm definitely enjoy it. So you bring up your backstory, 423 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: which is really incredible, just how you got to this path, 424 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: and we want to kind of review that for listeners 425 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: out there. Son. Uh, you were actually drafted in the 426 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball Draft thirty round out of high school 427 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: in the Boston Red Sox system, and you played four 428 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: seasons of minor league baseball, mostly for the lout Loners 429 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: Spinners Spinners. Baseball was your first love. You thought that 430 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: baseball was always my my first was always my love 431 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: in sports. I the game, I don't know, something about 432 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: the game was always just so intriguing to me. Um. 433 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: I love the game forever. I mean I was always um, 434 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, I was always pretty good at it, um 435 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: growing up and stuff. And both my brothers played it 436 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: and I started playing it when I was three. My 437 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: older brother was five. Um, I started playing with him, 438 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: and you know, I started out doing car wheels in 439 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: the outfield and climbing the fence to see my mom. 440 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: But uh, as I grew grew older, I got I 441 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: got a little bit better at it, and UM, you know, 442 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: obviously fortunately had an opportunity to pursue it professionally. UM 443 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: didn't quite work out the way I wanted it to, 444 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: But UH wouldn't change it for the world. It was. 445 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: It was a good It was a great experience for me. 446 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: I learned a lot about myself, learned a lot about 447 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff about life. Got to meet 448 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: people from all over the world. UM lived with people 449 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: from Taiwan, Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Mexico. UM had some life 450 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: lifelong friends, and UH did some pretty cool stuff. You know. 451 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: It was it was definitely a great, a great experience 452 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: for me. You know, kind of I don't know if 453 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: I would be where I'm at today if I didn't 454 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: go through the kind of the struggles I went through. 455 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: There college that you came out of high school and 456 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: went straight into meet Yeah, I was UM at a 457 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: high school. I signed to play baseball at Kennessaal State University. UM. 458 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: It's uh big time baseball school right outside of Atlanta. UM, 459 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: and I just there was never a die. I mean, 460 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: I was a good student. Both of my parents are teachers, 461 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: made good grades because I pretty much had to um. 462 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: But uh, school was never something I was interested in. 463 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: You know, my whole life since I was a little 464 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: kid was to play pro baseball. I mean, I wanted 465 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: to be in the big leagues. I wanted to be 466 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: like Barry Bonds, King of vir Jr. Those guys when 467 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: I was growing up. So that was kind of the 468 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: only option. And when I got the uh, when I 469 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: got the call that I got drafted, I mean it 470 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: was late later than I wanted it to be. I 471 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: thought it was gonna go a lot earlier than that. 472 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: But you know, it just is what it is, and 473 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: there was never there was like a minor hesitation. I 474 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: signed in July. So you go down the baseball path 475 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: for how many years I got drafted and got cut? 476 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: So when it's when you when how did you decide? 477 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: Then when baseball's done that you say, Okay, I'm not 478 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: going to pursue that or try to. It's done basically, 479 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: and then you want to try to go to football 480 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: route talk to us about that. Yet usually it's a 481 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: very difficult decision. As because you spend your whole life 482 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: like this is a dream. You know, you're willing to 483 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: do anything you can for it. For me, it wasn't 484 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: that harder for decision. I Uh I got cut, and um, 485 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: I kind of expected it. I mean, backstory, I live 486 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: with Mookie Bets. I got drafted with Mookie. I lived 487 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: with him and Jackie Bradley. Yeah so I lived with Yeah, So, 488 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: Luke and I are still really good buddies. We don't 489 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: talk as much as we used to. Obviously, he's he's 490 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: Mookie Bets. Yeah, I've had a different route the last 491 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: six six or seven years. He's never thrown back a 492 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: game winning snack. He's has won a couple of World 493 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: Series and made a couple hundred million. But yeah, but 494 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: uh so I lived with him. I was fortunate enough 495 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: to live with, you know, be really good friends with 496 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: him and spend a lot of time over four years 497 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: with him and guys like Jackie Bradley and Travis Shaw 498 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: and these guys that are like prolific big league players, 499 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: these are these are high profile guys. Um and being 500 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: around them all the time, and like I played with 501 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: Mookie in twelve and half and then that was when 502 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: I was struggling a lot and he wasn't obviously well. 503 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: We actually we in the early in April. We were 504 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: both struggling. I was actually doing better than him. I 505 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: was hitting like one fifty, he was hitting like one thirty. Difference. 506 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: The difference was I was hitting one fifty with like 507 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: fifty strikeout right, and he was hitting one thirty with 508 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: like already hit line drives to the outfield that they're 509 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: just making the plays. At some point those are gonna 510 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: fall for hits. The strikeouts aren't gonna be hit. So 511 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: he was hitting a good one thirty. I was saying 512 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: a bad one fifty. But uh, and I will never forget. 513 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: We were in in uh Charleston, West Virginia. We're playing 514 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: the West Virginia Power and much had never hit a 515 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: home run his professional career up to that point, and 516 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: we were sitting the dugout and we were both just 517 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: having a day. I mean, we're both just doing terrible, 518 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: and he like kind of shrugs and and Muke was 519 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: always he was always so negative to himself, like it's 520 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: weird because he was so good. But he'd always be like, man, 521 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: I just suck, like I'm not doing good. I just 522 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: suck right now. And we were sitting the dugout and 523 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: I was just like he kind of did his trug 524 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: and I knew he was about to say, like I suck, 525 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, don't even say it, bro, like 526 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: I suck. Yah, And he was like he was like, 527 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: your right, dude, I'm done screwing around. Like that's it. 528 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: And I have never seen him in a slump since 529 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: that day. He had a home run that later on 530 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: in the game and proceeded to freaking tear his way 531 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: to the big leagues in a year and a half 532 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: or not even really, I'm pretty sure he knows you 533 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: some money. Dude moves A great guy. I mean, I 534 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: love the kid. He's he's a phenomenal athlete. I think 535 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: he's the best baseball player that's up for debate, but uh, 536 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm biased, probably, but he deserves everything he got. I 537 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: mean I would I would love to have a four 538 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: hundred million dollar contract, but uh, that's a special player. 539 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: It's a special man and he deserves it. So I'm 540 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: happy for him. So basically, what you're saying with this 541 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: story is like, at the end of your baseball career, 542 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: you were like I know, I'm not moving. Yeah, I'm done. 543 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: That was yeah, I was That's where I was trying 544 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: to go. Got uh Honestly, when I got cut, it 545 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: was almost like a relief because I was like my 546 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: one of my good friends that Mookie and I had 547 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: lived with, names Kendrick Perkins. He had gotten cut the 548 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: week before and we were all living together and Perk 549 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: got cut the week before, so that was like a 550 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: weird deal, and you know, the whole week was he 551 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: he like stayed with us for basically the whole week 552 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: after that, he was still living at the house with us, 553 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: and you know, it was it was just a weird time. 554 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: And they always did this thing when where we had 555 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: our our complex, we would walk down this really long 556 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: pathway in between like our our building, because they had 557 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: the big league stuff in the front of the building 558 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: and then the minor league stuff was at the back end. 559 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: So they we have this long building, probably two or 560 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: three hundred yards long. And then so it's building on 561 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: the left and like the fields and the batting cages 562 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: are on the right. So you're like walking down this 563 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: path and right before you get to the main entrance 564 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: to the minor league section, there's our weight room. It's 565 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: kind of in the middle. It joins the big league 566 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: in the minor league, and um, they would always put 567 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how they their thought process was 568 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: on it, but it always seemed to me like they 569 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: put the coach that was the most impactful on you 570 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: as a player and as a person to like he 571 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: was a guy to tell you like, hey, we need 572 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: to talk to you. So I knew if I got 573 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: cut that Joe Oliver was going to be the guy waiting. 574 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: And sure enough, I come in. It was the last 575 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: day of cuts, right before spring training broke for the season, 576 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: and I see Joe standing in the in the weight 577 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: room through the through the glass. I saw him and 578 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: we made eye contact, and it was like I wasn't 579 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: even like I thought my whole life I would be 580 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: like really sad, you know, liked my my baseball dream 581 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: is like coming to an end. And honestly, I wasn't. 582 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: Like I he hugged me and he's like, you know, 583 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: he's like, Nick, you know, we need to talk to you. 584 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, honestly, it was 585 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: like thank you, Like it's about like it's I don't 586 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: want to say it's about time. But it just I 587 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: was so worried about it coming because I knew it 588 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: was coming that when it happened, So when it happened, 589 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: it was just such a relief. And and like I 590 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: got nothing but praise from the coaching staff there, from 591 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: all the people, the personnel in the minor leagues. I mean, 592 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: I didn't cry until grown men were we're talking to me, 593 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: my my coaches and mentors and stuff, and they were 594 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: tearing up. That that was what hurt me, because I mean, 595 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: I love baseball. I missed a game a little bit, 596 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: but it's mainly like the fringe, the relationships I had 597 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: a lot of them. I I lost like right away. 598 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: You know, you get cut and they're doing their thing. 599 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out your life, and it's just 600 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: you just stopped talking to each other and it just 601 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: kind of segues. You just your life go apart. And 602 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, fortunately I kept it a handful of those 603 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: relationships um to this day. I still have them. A 604 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: couple of the guys are gonna come, uh just gonna come, 605 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: try to come to a game or whatever this year. 606 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: But but it's definitely, you know, it's it's definitely a 607 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: difficult thing. So when that happened, I mean, I just 608 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: called my dad and was like, hey, I gotta cut him. 609 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: I'll see it tonight. I'll drive back to Georgia and 610 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: figure out the next trip. So when did you decide 611 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: that you're gonna go and roll, you know at Georgia, 612 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: and um so kind of right away? Honestly, I called, 613 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: Like I said, I called my dad, and I don't 614 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: know what he did on his back end, but I 615 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: guess he called my high school football coach. I always 616 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: knew that, Like I always jokingly said, like, oh, baseball 617 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: didn't work out, I could play football. Were you like 618 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: a really good football player in high school? I I 619 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: definitely would, Like I had the statistics for sure, you 620 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: could have played in college if you wanted to do 621 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: I had someone had some, But I played safety in 622 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: high school and that was not going to be my 623 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: position in college. I was nowhere near fast enough to 624 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: do that. Um, I didn't have any major schools, but 625 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: I had, like I got offered by like Georgia State 626 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: and air Force and Georgia Southern and Furman and some 627 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: smaller schools like that that I could have played at. 628 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: But again, at that time in my life. I signed 629 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: baseball really early. Um, and the football stuff started coming 630 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: later on because my senior year. I had a pretty 631 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: good year of football my senior year and we won 632 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: the state championships. So I got a lot of exposure 633 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: from that. And by at the time I was getting 634 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: these recruiting trips for football, I had already signed my 635 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: N I L for the or n L I for 636 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: to Kinnesau. So there was not really much I could do. 637 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: And like I said, baseball was always the goal, right, 638 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: It's always a dream. And so so how was it 639 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: that Georgia big time program, like Georgia says, yeah, come 640 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: on board, man, and you were going to play linebacker there? Yeah, 641 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: so I went. So after I got cut, I was 642 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: driving home the same day and I got a bunch 643 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: of phone calls from all these different college coaches are 644 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: recruiting people personnel and stuff like that. Um, and I'm 645 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: just confused. I'm just confused as to why they were calling, Like, like, 646 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: it's you're a baseball player for four years. You said, 647 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: it's all like you had, like it's all You're offered Alabama, Georgia, 648 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: Florida coming out of college and then all of a 649 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: sudden four years later now they're like super interested, Like 650 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm serious. I think it's one of those things like 651 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: anytime a team can get a twenty three year old 652 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: freshman or twenty two year old freshman and that as 653 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: a former pro athlete. That I mean, I had a 654 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: lot of good stats in football in high school. I 655 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: was really talented. I had a lot of I mean, 656 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: some of them were probably lucky, but I had a 657 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: lot of accolades from from George. I was. I was 658 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: very uh I don't know, highly touted, uh defensive back there. 659 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: I had a lot of I was the first team 660 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: All States. I was deviensive back of the State. UM 661 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: I was. I was a defensive back of the Southeast 662 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 1: back in ten Do you sold yourself short here when 663 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: you asked I played. I played a little football in 664 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: high school. I mean I did get like, I got 665 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: a lot of awards for for stuff that wasn't necessarily 666 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: my doing. Just had good guys around me, But I 667 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: I got you know, I was on stage with guys 668 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: like Jadavean Clowney and Isaiah Crowe Well and Deshaun Watson 669 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: and the people like that. UM obviously are much better 670 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: football players than I am. But back in the day, 671 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: I was I was good for for a high school 672 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: and I was it was. I never could have played 673 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: my position in college, but I definitely had some opportunities. 674 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: But um, I think as a like a I had, 675 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: I had some coaches call like my high school coaches 676 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: call out, I guess and try to sell it and 677 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And you know, being a twenty two 678 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: year old freshman, that was gonna be a scholarship from 679 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: baseball because I had a scholarship fund through the Red Sox. Um, 680 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: so they can get an older guy who's experienced and 681 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to they don't have to pay for him. 682 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a win win for them. If I 683 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: come in and do great, they look like geniuses. If 684 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: I come in and and suck, then you know, it's 685 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: just it's just to walk on. They didn't pay for it, 686 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: so um, you know, I was kind of deciding between 687 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: going to out because I didn't want to like go 688 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: somewhere just for football, like I was at that point 689 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: in my life. I was going to school for school, 690 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: and I was kind of tired of being away from 691 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: my family and my friends and stuff like that. Because baseball. Like, 692 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: I mean, my parents probably saw me play less than 693 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: twenty games and I and I probably played a thousand 694 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: and four years between spring training to see him. Maybe 695 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: not like between spring training and the seasons I played 696 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: in Like my parents never got to watch me. You know, 697 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: the minor leagues aren't on TV and until you're like 698 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: triple A, double A, So it was like watching the 699 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: game on the computer basically just the box score. So 700 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: like for my dad, he's always been my coach. Um, 701 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: he was a high school coach, you know, in my school. 702 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: Like it was hard. It was hard for me not 703 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: to have him to watch, you know. So when I 704 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: got an opportunity to to walk on to Georgia, I 705 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: mean there was no brainer. Like I wanted to. I 706 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: wanted to stay close to home, being close to my 707 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: friends and family and play for the hometown team and 708 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, be just trying to be in my area. 709 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: I love Georgia, That's kind of where I want to live, 710 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: um forever. So um, it was a no brainer for me. 711 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: So you so you go there, you start playing linebacker, 712 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: You play two games as a freshman, the best is 713 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: your career high on your Georgia college Bio says, career 714 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: high one first game, my first ever game. Yeah, so 715 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: first game of I got one play on kickoff cover 716 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: and I'm ad got a tackle in the very first game. Um, 717 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: and I would have played a lot more of that game, 718 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: but it got lightning delay or it got lightning down 719 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: in the third quarter, so we were being him pretty good. Um. 720 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: So I had actually rotated into fullback that game and 721 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: played one series at fullback and then the game got 722 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: canceled right at the end of the third So I missed. 723 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: I missed a whole quarter of of potential opportunities there. 724 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, it just what it is him. I mean, 725 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: I thought it could be a I mean, you know, 726 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: fullback was never something I wanted to do. Um. I 727 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: did well enough in camp as a linebacker. I just 728 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: wasn't fast enough, so they thought maybe Yeah, exactly. I 729 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: went into cool with Natrez Patrick and Roquan Smith that 730 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: are both in the NFL, and played with Jordan Jenkins 731 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: and Leonard Floyd and Lorenzo Carter and a lot of 732 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 1: first round talents. So it was nowhere, you're fast enough 733 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: to play on our defense. Uh, It's like the story 734 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: of your life. You're like always in the room and 735 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: you look around you're like, damn pretty much, yeah, pretty 736 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: much look at yourself. Yeah, it's like I'm a I'm 737 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: a very I'm a very athletic man. But I mean 738 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: those guys are those guys are top of them. I 739 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: mean they're all, you know, we're talking about some of 740 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: the best at their jobs in the whole world. Yeah, exactly. So, um, 741 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: you know, just to be around guys like that, I mean, 742 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: it's it's it's great. But um, yeah, the the fullback 743 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: biz was an interesting one for sure, but then you 744 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: go from fullback linebacker, okay, and then you go to 745 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: I just feel like there's lots of transitions here. Yeah, 746 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: I mean I I switched up a lot of a 747 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: lot of different times. So I did linebacker for like 748 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: three weeks in camp my freshman year. Quickly realized I 749 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: was too slow to do that, so they moved me 750 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: to fullback. Played fullback essentially all my freshman year. It 751 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: was mainly like a scout team guy, and then um 752 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: spring of sixteen, Kirby came in played fullback and running 753 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: back in spring ball and then played fullback in sixteen. 754 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: Like I was just on the I was a fullback 755 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: was my position. I didn't actually play in any of 756 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: the games, but I played on special teams and stuff 757 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: like that for a little bit. And then seventeen was 758 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: when I officially moved to uh long snapper and like, 759 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: were you did you have long snapping? Like were you 760 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: practicing long Stappingen Kirby let me, um, he let me 761 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: do it as at certain parts of the practice because 762 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: we had a guy, because why well we had we 763 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: We had a guy. We always need like extra, you 764 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: know in college. You you like when I'm my senior year, 765 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: we had like eleven specialists something, but so like my 766 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: sophomore year, we didn't have a lot of guys. So like, 767 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: you look like a longer, but I didn't. This hour 768 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: was starting first day of practicing camp. Coach Rick was 769 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: after practice. He came up. He's like, if anybody wants 770 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: to try long snapping, you know, go see Mike Eckler 771 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: was our coach at the time. They were like, go 772 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: see coach Eckler and uh try out. And I had 773 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: told him like I did in high school as a kid, 774 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: my older brother did it and all the way through 775 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: high school. So I did it, and my dad just 776 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: made me do it. Being a football coach, you just 777 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: kind of one of those things you put in your 778 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: back pocket for a rainy day. And uh so I 779 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: was like, I can do it, and um did snapped 780 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: really well to try out. Let me snap a little 781 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: bit during camp, but nothing during season. I didn't snap 782 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: at all because we had two full time like, we 783 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: had two long snappers that both played a lot in 784 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: college that were on the team. Um, so there was 785 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: no need for me. But then one of the kids 786 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: graduated moving into and so we needed practice long snappers 787 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: because we do in college. You know, you're you're doing 788 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. So I I snapped during fall camp. 789 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: And then our long snapper got hurt in the first 790 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: game of our season six. So I, me and this 791 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: other kid who was a senior, we were battling it 792 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: out to kind of take over because the kid, the 793 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: guy Trent Fricks, was our starter. He couldn't snap punch 794 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: because he had he had torn a ligament in his 795 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: foot that basically disconnected his big toe from his foot, 796 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: so it was like dangling down. He did the field 797 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: goal stuff because he couldn't run, but um, he couldn't 798 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: do the punt stuff. Obviously because he couldn't run, and 799 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: we did the pro style punt back that one year 800 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: we did pro style point we had to what we 801 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: do here when the snapper has the block. So I 802 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: was competing with this guy named Glenn Welch, and I 803 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: was actually going to be the starter and UH Tuesday practice, 804 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: we're doing punt and I snapped the ball three miles 805 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: over the punter's head and that was the end of that. 806 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: Curvey said, no, you're done. So Glenn ended up snapping 807 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the year and I just worked on 808 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: that on the side from doing fullback. UH. He gave 809 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: me like certain periods during the day where I still 810 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: ran as a too long snapper UM, and I was 811 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: the backup field goal snapper, so I was doing a 812 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 1: little bit of both. UM, so I was always taking 813 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 1: the reps with the twos, but I was still doing 814 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: the full back stuff. And then I still did UM 815 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,800 Speaker 1: full back stuff like in spring and in UH this 816 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: fall camp just because the limited number of guys, and 817 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: then during the season, similar thing. The guy Trent Fris 818 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: was a senior now he pulled his hammy in UH 819 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: in our fall scrimmage. So basically ten days before the 820 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: first game he pulled his hammy, so then I was 821 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: the only option. We had changed this style of punt. 822 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: We went to like the traditional college spread punt, so 823 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: the long snapper doesn't have to block anybody. Um. I 824 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: was fully confident in that, so um he got hurt. 825 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: I ended up starting the first three games as the 826 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: long snapper for the punt. Again. He did the field 827 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: goal because he couldn't run, UM, but I did the 828 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: punt stuff. And then Um ended up playing one play 829 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: in the National championship game that year, but didn't play 830 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: anything in between. We had like a fake punt in 831 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: the National Championship that didn't work that we tried. But 832 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: then in coach Smart uh probably into his office from 833 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: my end of the year meeting or whatever, and he 834 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: uh he asked me if I wanted to play fullback 835 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: and long snapper or just long snapper. And nice, let's say, coach, 836 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: you know me pretty well by now. You know I 837 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: don't want to play fullback. Let's go ahead and chop 838 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: it up here and we'll call it a day. And 839 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: gave me the nod to be the long time or 840 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: the full time long snapper in and uh. That was 841 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: about the limit of my experience. I seventeen games, played 842 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: fourteen games is a field goal snapper, seventeen as a 843 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: punt snapper, Um, and here we were. That's awesome. And 844 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: so then then you have a great season, got an 845 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: invitation to the Senior Bowl, which would probably put you 846 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: on a lot of yea, that helped out a lot. 847 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 1: Yeah that um, getting that invitation for having such a 848 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: limited experience in college. I mean, like as I basically 849 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: only played one season at long snapper, that was huge 850 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: for me. Definitely a big getting me around all the teams. 851 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: You know everybody's there. You know that you're playing your 852 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: your team that is coaching you is an NFL team. 853 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: So I got to work with coach High Tower for 854 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, UM and some and Jake Bailey 855 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 1: was our punter who's now with the Patriots, UM and 856 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: so there was a lot of really talented players. Obviously, 857 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: the Senior bowls a big deal. So it was a 858 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: super cool, super cool experience. And then then you go undrafted, 859 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: which I'm sure was a shocker. Yeah, well it actually 860 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: it actually was kind of a shocker because yeah, so 861 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: the Vikings, they they actually called me twice undrafted the 862 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: third day and once at the start of the seventh round, 863 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: and yeah, they they're special teams coach move who was 864 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: with Yeah, he was here and he was doing some 865 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: stuff in Miami for a little bit, and uh he 866 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: they actually told me they were going to draft me, 867 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: and uh right at the start of the seventh round, 868 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: they had four picks in the seventh round, and they 869 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: ended up they said we're gonna take a long snapper. 870 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna draft you with our last pick of the 871 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,439 Speaker 1: seventh round. And I said, oh, that's great, because that's 872 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a huge deals as a long snapper. 873 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: Just a difference in signing bonus. I mean, the guy 874 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: who they ended up drafting it wasn't me, Austin. Yeah, 875 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: so they drafted a long snapper. So that was that 876 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 1: was it was. I mean, that was kind of a heartbreak. 877 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: But they, um they drafted along snapper Austin Cutting who 878 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: they cut last year. Um. He the difference since I 879 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,919 Speaker 1: mean he got like a seventy five or eighty thousand 880 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 1: dollar signing bonus and I got five thousand. So that 881 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: that's that's a big swing. When I mean I got 882 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: a lot for a long snapper. Undrafted like most most 883 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: guys A hundred zero. Yeah, you know, they're just lucky 884 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: to be on the team. Are happy to be on 885 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: the team. But unfortunately the Saints I got I got fifteen, 886 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: and I was guaranteed with the Saints, So that was 887 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: that was kind of cool, but I mean definitely threw 888 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: me off because they told me twice that day they 889 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: were going to draft me. Crazy. But everything works out 890 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: for a reason, right. So you got to New Orleans 891 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,280 Speaker 1: and you're working with Will Letts, Thomas Morristead, who punted 892 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: forever lots was here a great and Zach Wood, who 893 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: had been with him for a couple of seasons. He 894 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: was two years prior to me getting there. Now he's 895 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: in year five, and so you didn't beat him out 896 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,280 Speaker 1: for the long snapping job there. Uh so you're released 897 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: by the Saints and then what's football done. The difference 898 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: when I got caught from football was I believed I 899 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: could play, Like there was never a doubt in my 900 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: mind that I was good enough to play in the 901 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: NFL as a long snapper. I just I had a 902 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: really difficult time handling the pressure of the game my 903 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: first year with the Saints. In practice I was like 904 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 1: a superstar. I mean I did really really well in practice. Um, 905 00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 1: I thought for sure I was going to win the 906 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: off there. Um, but I just I couldn't perform. I 907 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,240 Speaker 1: didn't perform in the games. I just I was unable 908 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: to kind of get over that. I had like really 909 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: bad anxiety for that. Um And I just like I 910 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: was so afraid of making a mistake because it's so 911 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 1: obvious when the long snapper messes up, because you either snapped, 912 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: like the punter is so far away from everybody else 913 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: that if it's bad, it's so obviously. Yeah. And then 914 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: on the TV they got you know, the cameras either 915 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 1: right behind the punter or it's it's in front of 916 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: the long snapper, so you can see it's the most 917 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: obvious thing. In the same way on field goal. So 918 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: that was really hard for me, uh to just try 919 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: to figure out a way to take exactly do exactly 920 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: what I'm doing in practice in the game without Because 921 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: I can practice, I was never afraid of make a 922 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: mistake because it's practice. You know, people make mistakes every 923 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,360 Speaker 1: single play and practice that's that's what it's for. But 924 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: the game you gotta be perfect. It's we get so 925 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: few opportunities that every rep has to be perfect and 926 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: uh so that was that was very challenging for me, 927 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: and it showed in my performance. I I was very 928 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: had bad attitude, not necessarily a bad attude, but I 929 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: was just kind of moping around. Uh in the last 930 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,879 Speaker 1: preseason game because I was I wasn't snapping the ball well, 931 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: um and Coach Payton got onto me. We kicked the 932 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: game winning field goal. It was like a I think 933 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 1: it was like a twenty or thirty yard field. It 934 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,800 Speaker 1: was really short, but we beat the Chargers seventeen to fourteen, 935 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: and I had a high snap, but we made the 936 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 1: field goal. And instead of you know, celebrating that we 937 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: won the game, uh, I kinda I wasn't intentionally like 938 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,399 Speaker 1: walking off the field with my shoulders down like kind 939 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: of like poor me. I was like looking at the 940 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: jumbo tron trying to see how bad it was, because 941 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 1: like from my angle, it looked really bad, but it's 942 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: not always that bad from the other angle. So I 943 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: was like trying to look at the jumbo tron. But 944 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: I was walking off the field and Coach Peyton just 945 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: I just happened to be right in front of him 946 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: and he saw me and I was like on the 947 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: numbers and coach and I looked up, like I looked 948 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 1: back from the JumboTron, and he was eye to eye 949 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: with me. He was like he was going and he 950 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: was laying into me. I deserved it. I mean he 951 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: was laying into me pretty good. I was. I was 952 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: being selfish and uh, you know it wasn't currently being 953 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: celebratory with my teammates because I did poorly. You know, 954 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,360 Speaker 1: they did their job. They picked me up and they 955 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: made the kick and we won, and I was being 956 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: a child. So he definitely did the right thing. And 957 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: kind of yeah, I mean he definitely got after me. 958 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean he he was yelling at me, using some 959 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: very choice words. Um and I'll never forget. He told 960 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: me I didn't have any moxie, and uh, I was 961 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: kind of in I was kind of insulted by that, 962 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: but he was right. I mean I wasn't. I just 963 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: I didn't have at that point in my in my career. 964 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: I just wasn't able to separate that, like, my performance 965 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: is not good. We still won, so I'm gonna act 966 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: like an asshole, but uh, he he definitely got into me, 967 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: and I deserved it and definitely helped me. I mean 968 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: it definitely helped me out. I mean I got cut 969 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,920 Speaker 1: right away after that, I got cut. Uh. We we 970 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: flew back from l A and I we practiced one 971 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: day and then we had an off day and then 972 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: I got cut on that Wednesday and we it was 973 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 1: like a Wednesday Thursday. It was like the day before 974 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: they left to go to New York for a game 975 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: against the Jets. You know. But after that, like I 976 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,320 Speaker 1: I always believed I could play. So I um trained 977 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: for about a month after that, was like hoping for 978 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,280 Speaker 1: a call. Did a couple of workouts with the Jags 979 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: and Falcons and the Packers did some workouts and nothing 980 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: really shook. So I had to do something. I had 981 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,879 Speaker 1: to make some money. Um. So I uh called called 982 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 1: one of my buddies, who was the president of this 983 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 1: company in Atlanta. UM, and I mean I have I 984 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: have the credentials to have a real job. I have 985 00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,800 Speaker 1: two degrees from Georgia, So I was like, hey, I 986 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: need Yeah, I have a degree in finance and a 987 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: degree in mathematics. So I I was like, hey, I 988 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: need to make some money. I gotta do something besides 989 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: sit around all day. So he hired me as a 990 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 1: financial accountant and that was horrible. Uh the job, it's 991 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: like the people were great. My my, my buddy Richard. 992 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: He's the president of this company called Century Fire Protection. 993 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: They were kind of a big time fire protection agency 994 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: in the in the United States. They they they're a 995 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,000 Speaker 1: really big company. Um, and they have offices all over 996 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,320 Speaker 1: the world or all over the United States. And so 997 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,800 Speaker 1: it was kind of a big deal. Like it's not 998 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: just you know, it's not just uh some like local 999 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: mom and pop shop that I was just making some 1000 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: money on. It was like kind of a big deal. 1001 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 1: And uh he's been my I've known him since twenty twelve, 1002 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: and he's always said like what like I said, when 1003 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,320 Speaker 1: I was in college, I wasn't trying to play football 1004 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 1: and I was just trying to get a degree so 1005 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: I can get a job. And the plan was to 1006 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: work for him after I did internship with them early on, 1007 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: like my junior year in high school. And uh so 1008 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,280 Speaker 1: when I got done, he said, hey, whenever you're ready, 1009 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,839 Speaker 1: you know, you can come work for me whenever you want. 1010 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 1: So I took about a month off and then I 1011 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,800 Speaker 1: started working with him, and uh, the first day I 1012 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: was there, I knew it wasn't for me. And it 1013 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 1: wasn't that I couldn't do the job or I didn't 1014 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,279 Speaker 1: like the job, but it was like in my heart, 1015 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 1: I knew that I was an athlete, and I knew 1016 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: that I could play in the NFL, and that it 1017 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 1: was really hard for me to focus on doing a 1018 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: nine to five even though it was only working part time. 1019 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: I was like training in the mornings and I was 1020 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 1: working from like seven to one, and I was coaching 1021 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: high school football at my high school, and so I 1022 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 1: wasn't like doing a real nine to five, but it 1023 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: was just the money, Like it was just a daily grind. 1024 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,399 Speaker 1: I did it for nine weeks. I worked forty three 1025 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 1: days as a financial account and promptly retired hopefully forever um, 1026 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: but uh yeah, I retired from that after I got 1027 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,959 Speaker 1: the opportunity. Need to do the XFL gigs, right since 1028 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 1: then XFL? Right, so then you you signed with the 1029 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,600 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Vipers XFL and talk about the things getting 1030 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:15,160 Speaker 1: cut SHORTFL six six games, Okay, so we had a 1031 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,880 Speaker 1: I guess we had the preseason games. It really was six, right, 1032 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,799 Speaker 1: we had? So then they shut down the XFL, and uh, 1033 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: the Ravens signed you three days later. Yeah, pretty much 1034 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,520 Speaker 1: right after the XFL officially got shut down. We the 1035 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: season ended like a week and a half before they 1036 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: Ravens signed me. But they weren't like we weren't allowed 1037 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,360 Speaker 1: because we didn't know if it was like a permanent 1038 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,480 Speaker 1: or it was just like a temporary delay. So then 1039 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 1: they released our once they released our contracts. Um, I 1040 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,239 Speaker 1: was lucky the Ravens snatched me up right away, and 1041 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 1: and the Ravens expressed something just back when you went 1042 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 1: to Yeah. Yeah, so after actually after nineteen, it was 1043 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,440 Speaker 1: I was deciding between here and there New Orleans. I 1044 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 1: was hesitant on coming here because at that point in 1045 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: my life, I thought like I didn't really understand the NFL. 1046 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: So I didn't think I didn't hey, I didn't think 1047 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: I needed a mentor, which was foolish mistake. And b 1048 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,480 Speaker 1: I didn't think like I didn't know that you like 1049 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 1: you come in and you compete, like I was trying 1050 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 1: to get a job, Like I wasn't gonna try. I 1051 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,600 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna come in. I didn't want to come and 1052 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,320 Speaker 1: I didn't I was too high on myself at that 1053 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: point in my life. Um that I I didn't want 1054 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,880 Speaker 1: to just come in here to be Morgan's backup or 1055 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 1: you know, like one another one of his missions. Yeah, 1056 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: like he he has so many guys in the NFL 1057 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: that I didn't know much about long snapping because I 1058 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: wasn't in it for a long time, so I didn't 1059 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,239 Speaker 1: know like all the people, and I didn't really keep up. 1060 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 1: Like the NFL is not that big in Atlanta, like 1061 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 1: college football is everything from us down south, So I 1062 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,399 Speaker 1: wasn't like super involved in it. You know, I didn't 1063 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,359 Speaker 1: really know much about it. So I was like kind 1064 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: of childish in a sense and refused to Like I 1065 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,400 Speaker 1: thought there was no way they would ever move on 1066 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 1: from Morgan Cox until he decided to retire, and I 1067 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 1: didn't want to compete against that because I was like 1068 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,759 Speaker 1: it's like a lose lose, Like there was no chance 1069 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 1: I was gonna be here. My best chance was I 1070 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,360 Speaker 1: do well in the preseason and I get picked up 1071 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: by another team, Like will looks do you end up 1072 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,840 Speaker 1: coming back to Baltimore after they expressed interest in you 1073 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,360 Speaker 1: back when you went to the Saints laying on the 1074 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: practice squad, spend the year on the practice squad and 1075 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,880 Speaker 1: then on January the Ravens announced they're moving on. Uh 1076 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,880 Speaker 1: and and You're to take over from Morgan? What are 1077 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 1: the emotions running through your head at that time? That 1078 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,799 Speaker 1: was so Morgan and I had found out the day 1079 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,400 Speaker 1: after we lost Buffalo. Um. I think we found out 1080 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 1: about a week before they made it public. Um or 1081 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,799 Speaker 1: a couple of days. And um, because I was unrestricted 1082 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,800 Speaker 1: or I was sorry. I was a restricted free agent, 1083 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 1: so I could I was able to signed before free 1084 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,680 Speaker 1: agency so I could do that, I could sign a 1085 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:08,840 Speaker 1: futures deal. So um. Honestly, I didn't have any like 1086 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 1: inkling that I was gonna come back here. UM. I 1087 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,360 Speaker 1: pretty much made after I played against Pittsburgh in December 1088 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: and then Morgan coming back from COVID and everything went well. 1089 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,960 Speaker 1: He played well the rest of the year. I I 1090 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,440 Speaker 1: thought my time here was done. Honestly, I Morgan. I 1091 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,399 Speaker 1: had spent hours and hours and hours talking about it. Um, 1092 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 1: you know, because I want to play ball, and I 1093 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,880 Speaker 1: just didn't see them moving on from Morgan. I mean, 1094 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: he was a Pro bowler last year for the fourth time, 1095 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: and he was the first team All Pro for the 1096 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 1: first time ever. For a long snapper. He was the 1097 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,320 Speaker 1: first ever first team All prolong snapper, so that was 1098 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,640 Speaker 1: a big deal. Um, And so I didn't have, like 1099 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 1: I said, I didn't have any idea that I was 1100 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,560 Speaker 1: gonna come back here. And so I actually was here, 1101 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,400 Speaker 1: um the day after we lost to do my physical 1102 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: and I was going to leave and I was gonna 1103 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 1: sign with Washington yeah, and um yeah, yeah I was 1104 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,399 Speaker 1: because I mean I loved it here. But I once 1105 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: I played and I got paid and didn't have to 1106 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,760 Speaker 1: go back down to practice squad and do tight end stuff, 1107 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 1: that that was really hard. I mean it was just 1108 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, like regular guys that are on the practice squad, 1109 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,759 Speaker 1: they at least have a chance to play in the game, 1110 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,200 Speaker 1: right for for whatever they're doing on the practice squad. 1111 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,160 Speaker 1: But I was having to play completely different positions for 1112 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: what my job is. So like even if every single 1113 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 1: tight end something had happened to him, I'm still not 1114 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,719 Speaker 1: going in the game. Yeah, like they're gonna bring other 1115 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,279 Speaker 1: guys in. So it was like there was really no 1116 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,359 Speaker 1: upside to being on practical other than I was getting 1117 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: paid and I was getting to be here to work 1118 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,879 Speaker 1: for Morgan and Sam and Justin for the whole year. Um, 1119 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: but it was, you know, it was it was hard 1120 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,520 Speaker 1: to go back down. I took a huge pig obviously 1121 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: being on the peace squad versus being on the active 1122 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,239 Speaker 1: and I wasn't getting to do my job as much 1123 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,719 Speaker 1: as I would have hoped liked to. Um So, but 1124 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,040 Speaker 1: after I played, I was like, all right, where am 1125 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,239 Speaker 1: I good? Where is it gonna be that I end up? 1126 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,480 Speaker 1: Because I knew I could play, I went in. I 1127 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,719 Speaker 1: played well against Pittsburgh. You know, everything went, Everything was 1128 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 1: going well for me. There was a lot of guys 1129 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,440 Speaker 1: around the league that were kind of on the bubble, 1130 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, they hadn't played so well where there was 1131 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,040 Speaker 1: some dudes that were gonna retire maybe, so there was 1132 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,200 Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities and I was, you know, I 1133 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: was ready to go, and so my ag and I 1134 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,279 Speaker 1: he he had talked to a lot of teams um 1135 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,160 Speaker 1: that day after the game when because as soon as 1136 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,520 Speaker 1: the game was over, my contract was up. PEA squad 1137 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,880 Speaker 1: is only till the season is over, and so I 1138 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,480 Speaker 1: had no obligations to being here, and we had spoken 1139 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: to a few teams that night in that morning and 1140 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 1: I had made my decision. Um all, I had to 1141 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,399 Speaker 1: do was past my physical and get released or get 1142 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,920 Speaker 1: get uh get be done from here. So I come 1143 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: in and do my physical, and uh quite honest, I was. 1144 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,720 Speaker 1: I was pretty like frustrated with the whole how everything 1145 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,160 Speaker 1: kind of went down, like the season. I was like 1146 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,239 Speaker 1: tired of being on piece card all that stuff. So 1147 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,560 Speaker 1: I was like ready to go. You know. I packed 1148 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,920 Speaker 1: up my house. Um, like, my apartment was clean. I 1149 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 1: was ready to be back in Georgia. And I come 1150 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: in do my physical. Everything is good. I packed my 1151 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:27,040 Speaker 1: locker up and I was actually in my truck about 1152 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,920 Speaker 1: to leave the state of Maryland. And all I was good. 1153 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,600 Speaker 1: All I had to do was go to Morgan's talk 1154 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,040 Speaker 1: to him and then leave, just kind of fill him, 1155 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 1: fill him in. I had already had everything from my apartment. 1156 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 1: I was gone, and he uh he I call him. 1157 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm in the truck in the parking lot, and I'm like, hey, 1158 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, did did you guys like go talk to 1159 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: Randy and Chris and t J or like, did they 1160 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,720 Speaker 1: tell you when to come up or did you guys 1161 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,000 Speaker 1: have like a plan for a meeting. They were like no, 1162 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,960 Speaker 1: we just kind of went mold it our way up there. 1163 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,840 Speaker 1: After everything, and we just talked to him and I 1164 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000 Speaker 1: was like, man, honestly, I was like, dude, I don't 1165 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,920 Speaker 1: want to go up there. I really don't. Like I 1166 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,760 Speaker 1: just don't like, like, I know what they're gonna try 1167 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,760 Speaker 1: to do. You know. I thought they were gonna try 1168 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,680 Speaker 1: to talk to me and to stand use me as leverage, 1169 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's a trade or something. And I was like, man, 1170 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,680 Speaker 1: I don't I really don't want to do It. Was 1171 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,320 Speaker 1: nothing against them, I just I know how I am, 1172 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,360 Speaker 1: and like, I'm just like it's probably best if I 1173 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,840 Speaker 1: just don't go up there. And he, being the guy 1174 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 1: that he is, he actually convinced me to go up there. 1175 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: So I went up to see Randy and talked with 1176 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,800 Speaker 1: him for about a half hour, and there was there 1177 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,960 Speaker 1: was a chance at that point that Green Bay was 1178 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,240 Speaker 1: going to activate me to the roster. Yeah, because they 1179 00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,920 Speaker 1: were in an NFC championship game and their snapper had 1180 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,600 Speaker 1: had a couple of mishaps in the previous two playoff games, 1181 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,680 Speaker 1: and so they were like, you know, we're we're serious 1182 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,000 Speaker 1: about bringing Nick in on activating him under the roster. 1183 00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,280 Speaker 1: And I was like, of course, pumped because I was 1184 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,640 Speaker 1: ready to play and uh. Well, then they called back, 1185 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 1: like right as I was going in to talk with Brandy, 1186 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:07,920 Speaker 1: and they were like, well, we want to bring him 1187 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: in on the practice squad. And I was like, oh 1188 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 1: my gosh, like I don't want to do that anymore. 1189 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm over the practice squad, and so we we told 1190 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,040 Speaker 1: him no. So then I was like, all right, we 1191 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,840 Speaker 1: I'll just signed with I'll signed with Watchington and I'll 1192 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,200 Speaker 1: be done. Deal. And so I go in there to 1193 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,040 Speaker 1: talk with Brandy. In about a half hour, you know, 1194 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,520 Speaker 1: I kind of tell him everything that went on, and 1195 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate, you know, I thanked him for, you know, 1196 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: everything he did for me while I was here and 1197 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: give him the opportunity to get into the NFL, and 1198 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, he did a lot. I mean, he he 1199 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,000 Speaker 1: was the guy. He he's always liked me since he 1200 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,919 Speaker 1: worked me out at Georgia. Like he was always the guy. 1201 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,560 Speaker 1: So I was, you know, very appreciative of him and 1202 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,360 Speaker 1: how I was treated while I was here, and everything 1203 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:53,000 Speaker 1: was great, and coincidence or not, I don't think it 1204 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,240 Speaker 1: was a coincidence. But we're he's like, all right, we 1205 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,000 Speaker 1: finished up, and he's like, all right, well I'll walk 1206 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 1: you down m hm. And so we started walking down 1207 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 1: from his office. We started walking over past Valeries table 1208 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,720 Speaker 1: and boom, Harves is standing right there. Not a coincidence 1209 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,280 Speaker 1: by any means. Brandy was texting on his phone during chat, 1210 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,960 Speaker 1: so Harves just happens to be there, and uh. He 1211 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,440 Speaker 1: started asking me about the offseason, YadA, YadA, YadA, and 1212 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 1: then Randy was like, oh, Nick said he might have 1213 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 1: a chance to sign with Green Bay, but he's thinking 1214 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,880 Speaker 1: about maybe signing with Washington. And Harves kind of looked 1215 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,000 Speaker 1: at me and he was like, you're not You're not 1216 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,480 Speaker 1: signing with Washington. I was like, like, coach, I want 1217 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,160 Speaker 1: to play, Like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the best. 1218 01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 1: He goes he said, no, you're a you're a guy, Like, no, 1219 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna sign here. And I was like I don't believe. 1220 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,600 Speaker 1: Like I literally was like I don't believe you. And 1221 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,480 Speaker 1: he goes, well, do you want to talk to Eric? 1222 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,960 Speaker 1: And I was like yeah, Like if you're serious about it, 1223 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,280 Speaker 1: then we need to have a job. I need to 1224 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,400 Speaker 1: talk with Eric, because you know he's the boss. So 1225 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,720 Speaker 1: we went act and meet Harps and Randy and Eric. 1226 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: We talked in coach Harbo's office for roughly about three 1227 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,840 Speaker 1: hours to two to three hours, somewhere in that range. 1228 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 1: It was a long time. And you know, because I 1229 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,920 Speaker 1: had a lot of doubts, honestly did I had a 1230 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,920 Speaker 1: lot of concerns. Who in their right mind would in 1231 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,880 Speaker 1: my I mean, who would trade? Who would get rid 1232 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,960 Speaker 1: of Morgan Cox? Like, honestly, I wouldn't get rid of 1233 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,959 Speaker 1: his position, you know. That's that's how that's how highly 1234 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,560 Speaker 1: I think of Morgan. And they do too. But I mean, 1235 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, they I knew what they were gonna say. 1236 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,120 Speaker 1: They were gonna say he's old. You know, well, he's 1237 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,200 Speaker 1: only six years older than me. I'm twenty eight, he's 1238 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,000 Speaker 1: thirty four. Now he's thirty five. But like, he's not 1239 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,640 Speaker 1: that much older than me. So he's expensive. Well he's 1240 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,440 Speaker 1: only about three forty thousand more than me if he 1241 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,680 Speaker 1: took a minimum And he has eleven years of experience. 1242 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,200 Speaker 1: I have zero. I have one game, you know, And 1243 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,280 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of the biggest when it came 1244 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,200 Speaker 1: down to it, the biggest thing was they wanted to 1245 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,800 Speaker 1: get younger because Lamars are Lamars are what we're trying 1246 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,600 Speaker 1: to organize the team around. And he's young. He's twenty 1247 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,000 Speaker 1: four or twenty three, however old he is. I I 1248 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,480 Speaker 1: shot it to him straight because of a lot of 1249 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,920 Speaker 1: experiences I went to and went through in baseball and 1250 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: in college football. I mean, it's like it's like they 1251 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 1: tell you what you want to hear rather than what 1252 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,920 Speaker 1: you need to hear. And I like, I didn't hold 1253 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,320 Speaker 1: anything back. I wasn't. I told him exactly what I thought. 1254 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,240 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, with all due respect, I 1255 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,400 Speaker 1: just don't believe you, because I wouldn't sign Morgan over. 1256 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't sign me over Morgan if I was making 1257 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,480 Speaker 1: and it's my job on the line, like I just, 1258 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 1: I just I was just in disbelief, you know. And 1259 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,560 Speaker 1: it took a lot of a lot of talking and 1260 01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,480 Speaker 1: a lot of convincing. And I love it here, obviously, 1261 01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to stay here. I like playing for coach Hardball, 1262 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,120 Speaker 1: I like working with Chris and Randy and t J 1263 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,040 Speaker 1: and Justin and Sam especially, and like, of course I 1264 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,960 Speaker 1: want to be here, like this is the like the 1265 01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,880 Speaker 1: premier spot for long snapped, like any specialists, like this 1266 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,880 Speaker 1: is where you want to be. So it was it 1267 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,800 Speaker 1: was a no brainer, and I was tired of bouncing around, 1268 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,320 Speaker 1: learning new people, going to new places, Like I was 1269 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,840 Speaker 1: ready for something to be kind of like kind of 1270 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 1: be stagnant somewhere. And so after we talked for forever um, 1271 01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, I I agreed I would sign here under 1272 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,160 Speaker 1: the condition that Morgan knew. We ended up going over 1273 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,600 Speaker 1: to Sam Cook's that that night and we talked with 1274 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,280 Speaker 1: him about it, and you know, we loosened up and 1275 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,000 Speaker 1: and enjoyed some time together. That's the last time I've 1276 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,680 Speaker 1: seen him, you know, I haven't seen him since that night. 1277 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:55,080 Speaker 1: And he kind of had an idea after after I 1278 01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,640 Speaker 1: played against Pittsburgh because like I was here for a 1279 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,480 Speaker 1: situation like that where he it's COVID. I played, but 1280 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,800 Speaker 1: that was only able to happen one time because last 1281 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,320 Speaker 1: year's protocol, he was only gonna He was on ninety 1282 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,120 Speaker 1: day testing holiday after he got COVID, so there was 1283 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,680 Speaker 1: no way for him to miss another game except for 1284 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,919 Speaker 1: major injury, and that would only occur in a game, 1285 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,360 Speaker 1: so and I would be inactive anyway, so I wouldn't 1286 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:22,800 Speaker 1: have been able to play even if he got hurt 1287 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,720 Speaker 1: during the game. So I came here to play in 1288 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,360 Speaker 1: case he got COVID. I did. I did my job, 1289 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,520 Speaker 1: and then when they kept protecting me on the practice 1290 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,680 Speaker 1: squad after that, that was kind of when I didn't 1291 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,240 Speaker 1: really think of it as anything. Honestly, he in the 1292 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,160 Speaker 1: back of his mind, he told me that he kind 1293 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,440 Speaker 1: of knew, um, he kind of had a feeling that 1294 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,160 Speaker 1: that was that would maybe be the route they went. 1295 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,560 Speaker 1: But he also said that I was so adamant on 1296 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,080 Speaker 1: getting out of here because I never thought I didn't 1297 01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,840 Speaker 1: think anything like I never once thought that I would 1298 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,320 Speaker 1: Like if you had told me last year this time, 1299 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,600 Speaker 1: I would have been like, dude, you're crazy. There's no 1300 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,360 Speaker 1: way I'm gonna be on the team. Like every week 1301 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,320 Speaker 1: I was hoping I get activated by somebody so I 1302 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:12,040 Speaker 1: could play. I'm like begging on Monday, I'm like holding 1303 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,480 Speaker 1: my phone, just like, oh my god, somebody please call me. 1304 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,360 Speaker 1: And when you know, obviously that didn't happen. And then 1305 01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,480 Speaker 1: with everything that went down, I mean, any other dude 1306 01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,120 Speaker 1: on the planet, the situation is a lot worse. But 1307 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,960 Speaker 1: a guy like Morgan Cox, he handed it like a pro, 1308 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,240 Speaker 1: and it wasn't like he wasn't good enough. You know, 1309 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,480 Speaker 1: he's obviously good enough. He's still playing. He's gonna play 1310 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 1: for at least another five years probably if not, and 1311 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,120 Speaker 1: not if not, for another eight until I guess the twenty. 1312 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,960 Speaker 1: Like he's it was not like a shed of doubt 1313 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,400 Speaker 1: that he was gonna play. It was just a matter 1314 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,760 Speaker 1: of where. But he was just happy that he knew that, 1315 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, he was gonna have to look elsewhere for 1316 01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:59,680 Speaker 1: a job, an opportunity, and he ultimately is exactly where 1317 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,520 Speaker 1: he wants to me right, worked out for all parties involved, 1318 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,520 Speaker 1: and it worked out for us because this guy's going 1319 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 1: back wins circle. I always have that on more game, 1320 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,160 Speaker 1: longest show goal staff in the history of the NFL. 1321 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,280 Speaker 1: And you know something he never did there You go, well, 1322 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,680 Speaker 1: ter Man, really appreciate you doing this, and go break 1323 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,080 Speaker 1: the record this weekend. Never hit seventy this week we 1324 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,800 Speaker 1: hit to sixty eight yard field goals outside he made 1325 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:34,040 Speaker 1: them both today. Yeah out here, So if we get 1326 01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:38,720 Speaker 1: a chance, we're gonna try. Man, guys, range is indefinite 1327 01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,200 Speaker 1: right now. It could go back all the way to 1328 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,800 Speaker 1: the other goal. Well, how do you say seventy two? 1329 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,880 Speaker 1: It goes from sixty six to seventy Why does't it 1330 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:49,200 Speaker 1: go sixty seven? Because number the pinnacle I think if 1331 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:50,760 Speaker 1: you hit a seven yard field goal, that's the end 1332 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,880 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, debate is over. It's already over now. 1333 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,600 Speaker 1: But it's true. It's gonna be really hard to beat 1334 01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:02,480 Speaker 1: seventy awesome, Nick, thank you so much. I appreciate Sunday 1335 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,400 Speaker 1: is right around the corner. Draft your lineups now to 1336 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,280 Speaker 1: feel the sweat with DraftKings, the official daily fantasy sports 1337 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,600 Speaker 1: partner of the Baltimore Ravens. Life is more fun when 1338 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,200 Speaker 1: you have skin in the game. Download the Draft Kings 1339 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,040 Speaker 1: app to check out all the action and daily contests. 1340 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,280 Speaker 1: New users enter code frock when signing up to get 1341 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,320 Speaker 1: a special offer that's code flock and get a special 1342 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,680 Speaker 1: sign up bonus. Eligibility restriction supplies. To see DraftKings dot 1343 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:33,040 Speaker 1: com for details. All right, well thanks to Nick Moore. 1344 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,800 Speaker 1: I mean, incredible story. Uh just so many twists and 1345 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,320 Speaker 1: turns and a cool, a funny, funny guy. You know, 1346 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,280 Speaker 1: it was kind of funny when we weren't recording. He 1347 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,680 Speaker 1: was like, is there any part of the MRS Baseball anymore? 1348 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,320 Speaker 1: And He's like, no, not really. I wasn't very good. 1349 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,640 Speaker 1: You know. He's like, if I was Mookie Bets, you 1350 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,720 Speaker 1: know what I'm playing really well. Yeah, but like I 1351 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,560 Speaker 1: wasn't doing very well and I was kind of like 1352 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:04,000 Speaker 1: an angry, like sad, not happy person, you know, Like 1353 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,200 Speaker 1: it's fun playing baseball when you're playing. It's fun playing 1354 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,280 Speaker 1: any sports, and you're playing well. When you're not, it's 1355 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,560 Speaker 1: just not that fun. Also, in baseball, game every day, 1356 01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,080 Speaker 1: so if you're struggling, there's nowhere to hide, Like you 1357 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:18,200 Speaker 1: just gotta be in that slump, live in that space. 1358 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:23,880 Speaker 1: And it sounds like, yeah, awesome story, awesome story. It's 1359 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,400 Speaker 1: not like a story like that is the type of 1360 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,519 Speaker 1: thing that like gives hope to you know, a guy 1361 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,160 Speaker 1: who's last man on the roster at a college team, 1362 01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,439 Speaker 1: because it's like, oh, well, this guy went, didn't even 1363 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,599 Speaker 1: play college football for four years, went in the baseball route, 1364 01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,040 Speaker 1: then starts playing fullback and linebackers a walk on, and 1365 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,439 Speaker 1: ultimately makes it to the NFL. Is a long snapper, 1366 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,919 Speaker 1: Like that's a story that I think would be motivating 1367 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,320 Speaker 1: to a lot of guys who think I can make it. 1368 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,960 Speaker 1: I might have to start throwing some back long snap. 1369 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,800 Speaker 1: I'll ask Harves, you never need it back, I'm ready, baby, 1370 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,000 Speaker 1: It's never too late. You know what am I? How 1371 01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,840 Speaker 1: what am I? Seven thirty? You know, I think there 1372 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,599 Speaker 1: there's there's a difference between like a twenty three year 1373 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,840 Speaker 1: old professional baseball player transitioning and a thirty seven year old, 1374 01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:12,880 Speaker 1: out of shape guy who's never been good at any sport. Whoa, whoa, 1375 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:19,679 Speaker 1: I've been halfway decent, but I'm pretty good foodsball player. Anyway, 1376 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:25,479 Speaker 1: it's kind of a very Hayden Hirst esque yet her story. Um, anyway, 1377 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna bring on another guest double feature today. It 1378 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,360 Speaker 1: was a long interview with Nick Moore, longer than usual. Also, 1379 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,000 Speaker 1: we always lost the interview just behind the scenes here, 1380 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,800 Speaker 1: we'll pull back and curtain on the Lach a little bit. 1381 01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,400 Speaker 1: He got done with the Nick Moore interview, And obviously 1382 01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:45,200 Speaker 1: Garrett was to blame on this form card formatting error. 1383 01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:49,760 Speaker 1: Thought we lost the whole interview. Oh my god, I 1384 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,400 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that. That was the equipment 1385 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,880 Speaker 1: that we're using. You hit record, You're the guy who 1386 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,200 Speaker 1: hit the record button here. I had nothing to do 1387 01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,920 Speaker 1: with it. I basically went into survival mode and start 1388 01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,800 Speaker 1: tapping into our great resources here. And Jack Dana deserves 1389 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,880 Speaker 1: a big pat on the back because Jack found a 1390 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,840 Speaker 1: way to find this corrupted file somewhere. He said he 1391 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:13,599 Speaker 1: had to download a bunch of stuff that's gonna put 1392 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,360 Speaker 1: viruses all over his Well, that's gonna be yeah, that's 1393 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,240 Speaker 1: that's that's the problem. But but he found the flack, 1394 01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,679 Speaker 1: he found the file, and he deserves a big pound 1395 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,680 Speaker 1: in the back. So thank you for saving that. Now 1396 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,160 Speaker 1: let's jump into another interview because there's been another big 1397 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,439 Speaker 1: story someone who's getting a lot of buzz around Baltimore, 1398 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,840 Speaker 1: and that's a tattoo guy. You've probably seen this on 1399 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,680 Speaker 1: social media. Tattoo guy. You know his name, He's a 1400 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:44,639 Speaker 1: tattoo guy. You talked to him Nick, Nick Moore. Yeah, 1401 01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,360 Speaker 1: but now if you if you, if you reference him 1402 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,719 Speaker 1: as a tattoo guy, people know exactly what I'm talking about. 1403 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,680 Speaker 1: If you just say he's Nick, then no one's gonna know. 1404 01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:56,080 Speaker 1: Nick the tattoo guy has been getting tattoos for each 1405 01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,559 Speaker 1: of the Ravens wins so far too iconic wins against 1406 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,920 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. And then he got the six yard or 1407 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:05,559 Speaker 1: uh field goal posts with sixty six yards in the middle. 1408 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,760 Speaker 1: So we're gonna welcome him on because his story is 1409 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,920 Speaker 1: going viral this week. We're thrilled to be joined by 1410 01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,720 Speaker 1: Nick Cullison and Nick, all right, you gotta give us 1411 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,840 Speaker 1: the story here. You have two leg tattoos. You got 1412 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,160 Speaker 1: one after the Chiefs win, one after Justin Tucker's sixty 1413 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,320 Speaker 1: six yard or to beat the Lions. How did this 1414 01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,840 Speaker 1: all start? Did you have any idea that you were 1415 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,759 Speaker 1: gonna start getting tattoos after Ravens wins? What's the story? Honestly, 1416 01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,200 Speaker 1: the first tattoo was at one of those spur of 1417 01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,599 Speaker 1: the moment things, you know. I told my wife before 1418 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,240 Speaker 1: the game, Hey, like, if if they win this game, 1419 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm getting a tattooed on me, because that's that Chiefs 1420 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,960 Speaker 1: game is one of those things that Ravens fans dread 1421 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,640 Speaker 1: and look forward to at the same time we we 1422 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,200 Speaker 1: hope that we can get them, but it's just always 1423 01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,040 Speaker 1: such a close game. And then the way that one ended, 1424 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,280 Speaker 1: I knew right then and there I was like, yeah, 1425 01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,360 Speaker 1: it's happening, and it was my clock over here almost 1426 01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:06,040 Speaker 1: so my wife, which she got the stuff together and 1427 01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,320 Speaker 1: she did it. Oh yeah, this is just a hard tattoo. 1428 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,599 Speaker 1: Your wife does a tattoo, did it right on my couch. 1429 01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,599 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Now she like a tattoo artist. I mean, 1430 01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, there's not a ton of art with your tattoos, 1431 01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,800 Speaker 1: not to knock it. No, you're absolutely right. She's not 1432 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,439 Speaker 1: a tattoo artist. She's an estetician. She just graduated Astetician 1433 01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,839 Speaker 1: school out here in Oklahoma City. So she does beauty 1434 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,479 Speaker 1: and like facials and all that stuff. But she does 1435 01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,080 Speaker 1: want to go into permanent makeup, tattooing and stuff like that. 1436 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,160 Speaker 1: So that's the only reason she has a tattoo gun. 1437 01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:46,120 Speaker 1: You know. But I'm telling you, wait, as the winds 1438 01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,560 Speaker 1: go on, the tattoos will get better. So you'll go 1439 01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,080 Speaker 1: You'll go full leg, full leg. Yeah, I'll go full leg. 1440 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,120 Speaker 1: I already had both of my arms done, you know, 1441 01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,360 Speaker 1: professionally done, so I started with my thigh, you know, 1442 01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,840 Speaker 1: because I worried it's it's about to be falling while 1443 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,200 Speaker 1: people wearing jeans. So well, well we'll work on the 1444 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,720 Speaker 1: tattoo quality. I was the one that drew him. I 1445 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,080 Speaker 1: just drew up real fast and she put him on 1446 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:12,960 Speaker 1: a stem. Soone I was like, yeah, that's what I want. 1447 01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,960 Speaker 1: You are. You did add the field goal posts for 1448 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,280 Speaker 1: the Lions one, so that got a little fancy. I 1449 01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,599 Speaker 1: mean I'm trying to think of like other epic ways 1450 01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,560 Speaker 1: to win where you'd have to draw something. Well, you 1451 01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,679 Speaker 1: could you could have like a receiver catching a ball. 1452 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,880 Speaker 1: You can start adding players to it if there's like 1453 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,679 Speaker 1: an iconic play, the Tucker one, you know, the field 1454 01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,360 Speaker 1: goal post was kind of a step in that direction. 1455 01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,720 Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, you could have done the 1456 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,720 Speaker 1: Lamar flip, you know, or something like that. I could have, 1457 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:42,360 Speaker 1: but I mean for a first stance that would have 1458 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:47,000 Speaker 1: been a that would have been a gamble. I really 1459 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,040 Speaker 1: would have gotten roasted for that one. Now, what have 1460 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,240 Speaker 1: you thought of? How this is kind of picked up 1461 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,479 Speaker 1: so much steam around Baltimore, around the country. It's you know, 1462 01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,680 Speaker 1: you got Lamar Jackson sharing it on social media. He 1463 01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,599 Speaker 1: talked about it. He said he really liked it today. 1464 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,960 Speaker 1: Don't hear that? I did see that. I've been getting 1465 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,880 Speaker 1: tagged that all day since, like since he said at 1466 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,559 Speaker 1: the press conference before we practice, that was pretty awesome. 1467 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,880 Speaker 1: I think Jamison Hensley was actually the one that asked 1468 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:21,599 Speaker 1: him that. Yeah, it was me, Nick, don't let Jamison 1469 01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:27,160 Speaker 1: steal my shine. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Well you could 1470 01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,000 Speaker 1: It's not like you can even see, Yeah, it's not 1471 01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,120 Speaker 1: even like you can see on the press conference who 1472 01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,280 Speaker 1: asked the question. So I appreciate you asking that though, 1473 01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,400 Speaker 1: because that was pretty cool to see, you know. Yeah, man, 1474 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's just I know he's posted about it. 1475 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,680 Speaker 1: Other guys have as well, and uh, it's just been 1476 01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just one of those things. We're 1477 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,360 Speaker 1: all sudden to catch his fire and everybody's talking about it. 1478 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,800 Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to get interviews with you. I 1479 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,360 Speaker 1: know you did one with Nadia Rock, you got CBS calling. 1480 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,519 Speaker 1: It's just like overnight. Uh, you got your your time 1481 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,760 Speaker 1: and the sun in the sun here fifteen minutes. Yeah, 1482 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:04,320 Speaker 1: it blowing up. Like yesterday I had Rock, I had 1483 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,960 Speaker 1: your news interviews, Casey had an interview with her, and 1484 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,599 Speaker 1: then um Jamison Hensley I had an interview with him, 1485 01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,280 Speaker 1: and then this morning I had an interview with uh 1486 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,439 Speaker 1: NBC from Baltimore. And now this, I mean, it's all 1487 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,519 Speaker 1: literally told my wife, I said, I don't know why 1488 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm nervous, but I'm nervous about this one. All right, 1489 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,040 Speaker 1: So tell us, like you're just a lifelong Ravens fan, right, 1490 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean to give us a little background on your 1491 01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,920 Speaker 1: Ravens fandom. So, I mean, I was born and raised 1492 01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,960 Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I live in Oklahoma City now because I'm 1493 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,280 Speaker 1: active duty. I'm we're always moving every three years. But 1494 01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,479 Speaker 1: everybody knows that the Ravens followed this family. You know. 1495 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,200 Speaker 1: We get the big blow up helmet in our front 1496 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,960 Speaker 1: yard and the purple strobe lights on our house. It's 1497 01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,040 Speaker 1: it's everything, you know. Every Sunday, Monday, whatever they play, 1498 01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,200 Speaker 1: we we make sure that the flock is here. And uh, 1499 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,800 Speaker 1: my dad raised me to be a huge Ravens fan. 1500 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,519 Speaker 1: Uh he passed away back in two thousand fifteen, and uh, 1501 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,400 Speaker 1: I just know he's up there laughing, you know, because 1502 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,080 Speaker 1: this is just it just blew up out now where 1503 01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,360 Speaker 1: we thought it would be just a family friends thing, 1504 01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,600 Speaker 1: and here we are. Lamar Jackson's talking about it. I 1505 01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,479 Speaker 1: gotta I do have to share one quick story. So 1506 01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,200 Speaker 1: I had one of my best friends, he made the 1507 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,000 Speaker 1: news for getting a tattoo on his foot in he 1508 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:34,840 Speaker 1: put uh Washington Nationals World Series champions And he did 1509 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,800 Speaker 1: it in spring training before the season started. He like 1510 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,120 Speaker 1: called his shot, you know, and then they ended up 1511 01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:46,760 Speaker 1: going like five. So he's still got this terrible tattoos 1512 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,840 Speaker 1: are terrible. So obviously that's not gonna happen in this case. 1513 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we're building up to something. But have you 1514 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,080 Speaker 1: thought about, like, you know, any kind of Ravens super 1515 01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,160 Speaker 1: Bowl champs, like calling your shot or is this just 1516 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,600 Speaker 1: at through each win? I'll tell you this. You know, 1517 01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,000 Speaker 1: we had a lot of injuries throughout these first couple 1518 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,120 Speaker 1: of weeks, but there's something in the air, something special. 1519 01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,719 Speaker 1: This team is resilient. I mean they're they're putting themselves 1520 01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,000 Speaker 1: on the map each week. I mean they're closed games, 1521 01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:18,400 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but they don't give up. They 1522 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,280 Speaker 1: don't give up at all, and they keep that throughout 1523 01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,400 Speaker 1: the season. I think that little Chiefs win right there, 1524 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,839 Speaker 1: a little fire and it's gonna be a special season. 1525 01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm calling it Ravens chance. All right, all right, 1526 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,840 Speaker 1: he's calling it. But you want to get down the 1527 01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:36,120 Speaker 1: tattoo yet, Well, you gotta here's the thing for the 1528 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,040 Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl tattoo. You gotta work your way up. 1529 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:42,320 Speaker 1: The art is improving here, Beater Baul tattoo is gonna 1530 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,400 Speaker 1: have to be live. Yeah, yeah, you know, you gotta 1531 01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,040 Speaker 1: work your way up on the art side. So by 1532 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,200 Speaker 1: the time we get to the super Bowl, your wife's 1533 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,360 Speaker 1: gonna be a professional tattoo artist at that point, I think, yeah, exactly. 1534 01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,639 Speaker 1: I mean we have we have four teen more regular 1535 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:58,000 Speaker 1: season wins coming, so after that, a couple more playoffs 1536 01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,240 Speaker 1: and then the super Bowl. I told my wife the 1537 01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,639 Speaker 1: other day I had a dream that during the halftime 1538 01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,360 Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl I got my whole back tat. 1539 01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,200 Speaker 1: I was the halftime. I was the halftime the show, 1540 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:20,760 Speaker 1: you know. I was like, is this real? That's awesome? Well, Nick, 1541 01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,880 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Man, I can't wait to see 1542 01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,839 Speaker 1: the full leg tat it up and the back back everything. 1543 01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,120 Speaker 1: I can't wait for. We're gonna get all the pictures 1544 01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the season. Yeah, man, absolutely, I 1545 01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,840 Speaker 1: can't wait. All right, thanks for joining us. All right, well, 1546 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,800 Speaker 1: thank you Nick for sharing that. Hopefully this guy's got 1547 01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,400 Speaker 1: a full leg sleeve. It's called a leg sleeve. I 1548 01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,640 Speaker 1: had the arm as a sleep, I think, all up 1549 01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,479 Speaker 1: the leg Sure, I don't know. I'm not a tattoo guy. 1550 01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,519 Speaker 1: Um I do have one. You don't have any You'd 1551 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,479 Speaker 1: never get a tattoo, would you. I wouldn't. You know? 1552 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,280 Speaker 1: This body is is perfect. I don't need a temple 1553 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,120 Speaker 1: is a temple. Why didn't you put anything on it? 1554 01:18:55,600 --> 01:19:00,600 Speaker 1: No graffiti on that temple? Exactly afection for faction with this, 1555 01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,840 Speaker 1: how this if we win it all this year, super 1556 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,920 Speaker 1: bold me and you get matching tattoos. I'm not getting 1557 01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,599 Speaker 1: a matching tattoo with you. I might getting any tattoo 1558 01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,160 Speaker 1: in a heart, I'm not getting any tattoo, and I'm 1559 01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,200 Speaker 1: definitely not getting one to match with you. Man our guy, Nick, 1560 01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,960 Speaker 1: our guy. Nick's got a cover. So all right, it 1561 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,200 Speaker 1: was really fun to talk with both nicks. Uh. It 1562 01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,880 Speaker 1: just really enjoyed it. Uh, this should give listeners there 1563 01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,160 Speaker 1: filled the lounge this week long episode, so we hope 1564 01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,200 Speaker 1: you enjoyed the interview, both interviews. And uh, I feel 1565 01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,120 Speaker 1: really good about this team going out to the demo. 1566 01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:31,880 Speaker 1: So are they gonna get one? We're gonna have to 1567 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:38,000 Speaker 1: get the but but big