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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Beetlejuice, Beetle Juice, Beetle Gerald. Wait,

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Speaker 1: it turns out saying it three times isn't all that

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Speaker 1: bad though, guys.

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Speaker 2: Relax, Okay, here's why Beetlejuice Beetle Juice, a sequel to

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Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty eight spooky comedy hit movie, brought in

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eleven million dollars in ticket sales in

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Speaker 2: its domestic opening over last weekend. Our team reported this

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Speaker 2: on Monday. It drew in younger filmmakers or film goers,

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Speaker 2: I should say, as well as those nostalgic about the

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Speaker 2: original picture.

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Speaker 1: Thirty six years ago. Amazing, the Warner Brothers Discovery film

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Speaker 1: exceeded the company's expectations. It had forecast ninety million in

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Speaker 1: box office receipts going into the weekend. So delighted to

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Speaker 1: have with us Al Goff. He's Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice screenwriter. He's

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Speaker 1: joining us from Los Angeles. Also with us here in

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Speaker 1: studio is our own Mark Lydorf. He reviewed the movie.

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Speaker 1: So we just want to kind of have a round table.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Al, thank you, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us nineteen eighty eight. I had

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Speaker 1: to think back kind of where I was the first

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Speaker 1: Beetlejuice movie thirty six years? Why did it take so long?

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Speaker 1: Or why are we now getting a sequel after thirty

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Speaker 1: six years?

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Speaker 3: Well, I can't answer why it took so long. But

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Speaker 3: about three years ago, Tim approached us on the set

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Speaker 3: of season one of Wittemburg and Tim Burton and Sorry

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Speaker 3: and asked us to write the sequel. He had been

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Speaker 3: thinking about it for a long time. He'd been having

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Speaker 3: conversations with Michael Keaton and Winona Ryder, and he said,

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Speaker 3: it's the movie that he's asked most about, and people

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Speaker 3: have been begging for a sequel for years, and I

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Speaker 3: think he was ready to do it. We met with him,

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Speaker 3: We kind of went through all of his ideas what

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Speaker 3: wrote an outline and pitched it to him. He really

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Speaker 3: liked it. We wrote the script. I mean, Miles Miller,

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Speaker 3: my writing partner, and I've been partners for thirty years,

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Speaker 3: and this is probably the smoothest and fastest movie we've

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Speaker 3: ever had. From from you know, from would you guys

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Speaker 3: write the script? Two three years later, here we are

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Speaker 3: the movies out in the theater, so you know, it's

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Speaker 3: been an incredible thrilling experience for us.

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Speaker 4: Now, you and Miles, this is Mark Lydorf, who I

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Speaker 4: had the pleasure of seeing the movie in Mexico City.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to see this movie so bad I asked

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Speaker 4: them if I could review it on vacation. And I'll

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Speaker 4: tell you, the kids in this industry's greening were all

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Speaker 4: in their twenties, and I know you and I are

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Speaker 4: about the same age, I think, But so I thought

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Speaker 4: assumed you'd be writing it for my generation kids who

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Speaker 4: loved it in the eighties, and the folks in Mexico

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Speaker 4: just ate it up, and they were all a lot

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Speaker 4: younger than me. So congratulation. You and mister Miller are

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Speaker 4: no strangers to success. Of course, you also created Wednesday,

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Speaker 4: which I think I read is the most viewed Netflix

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Speaker 3: by the way, it is incredible. We can't believe it ourselves.

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Speaker 4: But that also was a Tim Burton project. And my

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Speaker 4: first question for you would be, what what is it

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Speaker 4: like writing for an o tour like that? Someone with

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Speaker 3: Well, the two things. What's interesting is we had written

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Speaker 3: the first episode of the pilot episode of Wednesday, and

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Speaker 3: you know, you get an answer, right. So, and because

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Speaker 3: and if you don't ask the answers, no, So we

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Speaker 3: he loved it. He wants to FaceTime with you guys.

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Speaker 3: And so again it's one of those like dream scenarios

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Speaker 3: for us, and we FaceTime with Tim. He said he

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Speaker 3: he loved the script. He'd always he'd circled the Adams family,

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Speaker 3: think for us it was you know, Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice to

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Speaker 1: Well, can I just say from someone you guys all know,

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about what Tim Burton's role is, as you

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Speaker 2: where do you kind of where do you where are

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Speaker 1: Now we have about a minute and then we'll come

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Speaker 3: Sure, well the quick answer with this one, because it's

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Speaker 3: so personal. He gave us his ideas. We came back,

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Speaker 3: I think what Tim does is it's like a tuning

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Speaker 3: He'd have some ideas. So it was incredibly collaborative that

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Speaker 1: Burtan ees coming to a language learning app near you. Hey,

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Speaker 1: al So, Mike, Michael Keaton, I'm just curious what that

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Speaker 1: Did he said yep, sure, yes? Know what like what happened?

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Speaker 3: It's Tim was talking to Michael. So when we wrote

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Tim, Like I said, Tim had been having

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Speaker 4: Well, speaking of Michael Keaton, I wondered watching the film.

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Speaker 3: The answer is there is room for improvisation. We wrote

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Speaker 3: it in because the character he created with Tim in

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Speaker 3: and read the Beetlejuice shooting script and that character in

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Speaker 3: terms of there's a Beetlejuice in it. Obviously, but that

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Speaker 3: and we always treated Beetlejuice as an agent of chaos,

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Speaker 3: the thing that we were all cognizant of, Michael probably

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, he's not. Actually he's not actually the main

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Speaker 4: wondering if there are specific jokes. Not to spoil anything

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Speaker 3: we're really sort of thrilled with how the movie, you know,

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Speaker 3: we haven't you know, destroyed people's childhood memories. That was

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing. Hey, what I wonder because how

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Speaker 3: And you know, having spoken to all of them obviously

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Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, speaking of Winona writer,

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Speaker 4: She's a basket case. She starts the movie popping pills.

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Speaker 3: And but but I think it's it's you know, it's

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Speaker 2: Three beetle?

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Speaker 3: You can't say his name three times? So you know

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Speaker 3: what happened? That is all in the hands of Tim Burton.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's hope listen, this was so much fun. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: and have a great weekend. So appreciate it. Al GoF

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Speaker 1: screenwriter A Beetlejuice Beetle Juice, and of course our own

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Speaker 1: Mark ld Or Bloomberg Business Week Film reviewer. So appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much,