WEBVTT - Clay talks with comedian Nate Bargatze 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.080 Welcome into Wins and Losses. I'm your fearless host Clay Travis. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:05.320 Encourage you to go check out the entire catalog of 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.440 Wins and Losses podcast. Just letting you guys know, it 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.680 took a little bit to get the audio ironed out, 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.039 so if you're listening here at the beginning, trust me. 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:15.760 After about seven or eight minutes, it's gonna be great 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.200 for the rest of the conversation, but it's gonna be 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.760 a little bit spotty in the beginning before we get 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:22.759 the audio issues worked out. Just want to let you 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.680 know Nate's awesome. We had a great conversation. You're gonna 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.880 love it, but it gets better, So I don't want 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:29.840 you all tweet me be an audio guy saying hey, 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.280 the audio audio is not great for the first few minutes, 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.360 and then it's gonna be great after that, so just 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.520 trust me on it and thanks for listening to Wins 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.360 and Losses this week. Fun guest a guy who's almost 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.680 exactly my age I think, graduated from high school in 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.400 Nashville in the exact same year. He is Nate Bargasky. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.239 He's been doing comedy comedy I think basically since uh 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.640 since he graduated from high school and he is killing 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.519 it of late, he's got a Netflix special. I want 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.040 to bring him in. First of all, thanks for being 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.800 on Nate. Uh. Secondly, am I correct? Are we the 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:02.600 exact same year graduating from Nashville area? Think seven yet 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.880 seven represent which used to be a big deal back 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:07.920 when you're in high school the class of nineties seven. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.640 So you are forty years old as well as I am, 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:16.319 and you graduate from high school and immediately good decide 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.240 you're going to be a comedian? Is that what you did? Like? 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:19.920 At what age did you decide this is what I'm 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.000 gonna attempt to do in my life? Now? I started, 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:27.640 and I started when I graduated. Uh d c A 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.240 is where I went. And then uh so I graduated 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.760 ninety seven, and I was like, I thought I've been 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.319 doing comment in but I didn't touch a twenty three. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.240 I just like did whatever jobs like I've worked. Uh 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.800 actually's uh I delivered, Like you know I do this 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.119 to Mac. I say this to Mac now, but there's 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.160 I've never had a job that I can't go back to, 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.360 Like it's like nothing's nothing's changed. Every job I had 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:59.160 is just like lifting objects, Uh, just stuff so but 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.680 I so I've start I mean Chicago, and I was 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.560 twenty three. So you graduate from high school in eighteen 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.160 A lot of people decided to go to college. You 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.720 went to Donaldson Christian Academy, which is a private school. 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.200 How did you decide not to go to college? Well, 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.360 we went, We got to go there. My dad was 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.640 a teacher to so this week there it's not and 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.680 I fare to graduate. So it was I tried to 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.440 go to college, but there was like there was no 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.320 sign that was like, hey, the kids should be in college. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.639 I went to Volunteer State for one year. I tell 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:37.400 this joke. I went one year, no credit, all medio classes. Uh. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.440 And I at what I say, a good local joker 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.600 that went the Vulteers State. This is a Vanderbilt Galaton 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:50.640 and the strict local jokes and but they so I 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.920 went there and I was there for a year no credit. Uh. 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:59.240 We went to Western Kentucky for one semester, chilled, no credit, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.079 fell go way. Uh. So it just what was happening. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.920 And then that's when I had done out just like 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.640 whatever job and then then until I decided to go 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.799 to outread Water meeting my funnel jump green Water meter 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:19.640 that I do it. So I'm curious. So you go 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.280 to Western Kentucky for a semester and it's not like 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.520 Western Kentucky is the most elite academic institution on the planet. 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.000 Neither is Vall State. How did you end up getting 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.399 no credits? Like? What did you do at Western Kentucky? Yeah? Man, 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.400 it's hard to do that. And uh, did you know, 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.840 I just say, go to class at a at an 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:43.360 unbelievable time. Uh, the greatest whatever smest of four months 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.080 of my life. And it just I just partnered and 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.160 like I didn't go to anything, and I was already 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:51.600 in like when I was to went out to the 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.400 ball Street, I think, I mean unless the T was 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:59.040 like real bad. Even when he took I forget what 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.880 it's like eat like they're like it's the little lowest 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.560 at worst. And I was either an eighteen or right 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.200 under it was real bad, and I was like a 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.760 like a college astute, Like you know who took him? 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:18.560 The year was his name, Jonathan, you'reson got ten and Jack. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.040 He was like in our grouper like my buddies groups 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.240 when we took THET and my buddy said, he just 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.240 toild this thing. Out and put it head down, which 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:32.080 tweets it didn't matter if he was going to like um, 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.960 but I didn't have that luxture, so I just didn't happen. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.080 How I just didn't have a great And that's like 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.920 school was just like kind of I just didn't care. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.880 So at what point do you start thinking? So you gratuate, 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.560 you you graduate from high school, you kind of mess around, 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.440 you have all these different kind of wacky jobs. At 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.960 what point do you start thinking, Hey, maybe I'll try comedy. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.120 I've always kind of thought about it, you know, my 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.920 dada that you and so I grew up around that, 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.159 and so it was it was didn't you know, it 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.520 was always kind of in the back room line, and 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.080 uh I always kind of wanted to do it. And 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.560 then I was working at Bread Water Meters at that company, 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.279 and I julious in my buddy Michael Clay that I 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.400 worked with their uh he. I had another friend that 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.480 said that he wanted to go to Shogle the Second City, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.880 and I was like, oh, I kind of only like 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.040 do stand up. So I just was like, you know, 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:32.280 sway three, I'm like I can see that, and uh 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.480 so I just preached Shago. I date, the money, uh 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.160 and and um. Then moved to Chicago and the thirty Pub. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.520 I mean I started in Chicago. It was like two thousands. 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.320 I mean there, you know, I started in two thousand three. 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.000 But there's a lot of guys umel not be and 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:55.080 he started with me, uh Hannibal birth pet Home. There's 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.640 a like a lot of TJ. Miller, a lot of 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.920 people in that uh Chicago seeing that was all starting 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.640 at the same time. So would you go out and 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.720 you do your So you moved to Chicago and you're like, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.480 I'm going to get into comedy. How do you even 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.160 go about making that decision? So you you do you? 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.360 I'm fascinated by that. So do you How did you 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.120 have to get accepted into into like Second City? How 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.440 how do you show up? Is it just like anybody 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.560 can show up and start taking comedy classes? I have 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:29.400 no idea how that works. Yeah, anybody job second to 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.280 you could just like people that are also saving classes 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.680 a po mention or be better speaker, that's his job. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.480 Say so they taking class second to anybody can find it. 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.920 And I did that for like eight weeks of it 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.640 and not any like improv because it was you were 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.240 allowing on too many people, Like improv is like very 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.920 you know you're gonna hope that everybody's funny. There's nothing 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.240 funnier to me than some of that's not good at 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.680 improv because the whole pointment problem is you say yes, 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.360 and so it's someone's like I went to the zoo. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.280 The next person should be like, oh I was at 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.720 the zoo too, Like they gotta keep it going so 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.479 then everybody can play off that stuff. And if someone's 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.400 really bad and then brought, it's beautiful because they go. 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.200 Someone will be like, oh, look at the zoo. They're like, 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.400 we have to zoo with closes though, and you're like, 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.280 well now this whole thing's ruined because you just shut 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.440 down the zoo. So I started, which is so funny 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.320 to see. If you ever see bad improfit's so funny 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.880 just because it's usually one person out of the group 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.240 that just doesn't get it. And but so I started there. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.280 I started taking class seas and then I did that 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.000 and I didn't want to be that more. I want 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.880 to be stand up And I actually signed up for 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.920 a class like just a guy that appliers and said 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.600 come take learn how to do stand up comedy, and 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.160 I'm very pro class at some comedians tait them, but 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:50.840 they're not gonna teach you how to be funny, Like 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.120 I think you have to learn that. But then you 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.960 just get around a group of people that are also started. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.640 Because it's very scary to start giving you about yourself. 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.680 You're showing up to some bar and you don't know 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.800 anybody and you're about to go in front of them 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.280 and talking a microphone and trying to tell some jokes. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.560 So it's very like scary and very neaty to like 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.400 to turn around you like, now, I'm not I don't 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.120 want to do this at all. So when's the first 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.160 time you get up and actually tell a joke in 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.800 front of a crowd? And so I started taking the 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.760 stand up class at the beginning to three. I have 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.240 a VHS my first three times on stage, I have 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.400 a DHS of it, and I mean it's brutal, dude, 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:39.679 it's ah, I have like a chain beard. That was 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:44.599 the thing that you're rocking backed in? Uh you know 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.240 it was. I mean, it's just it's it's the disgusting. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.319 I don't think I could even watch it. How many 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.840 people are in the crowd. You know, your first time, 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.520 sometimes they're pretty good because a lot of times you 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.679 have friends come and so they're rooting for you. So 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.319 I worked at a restaurant in Chicago, and so I 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.959 already had made some friends and I told him I 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.040 was doing it, so they came and watched. So your 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.920 first time doing stand ups can sometimes be okay, and 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.640 then it's the time. It's the time after that that 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:20.560 gets real bad. Uh. That's when you get into jokes 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.439 and nobody here and you know, I mean you're doing 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.880 like two or three minutes at least. Have a open mic. 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:30.160 In Chicago, the lines in and then would start at 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.679 I think eight o'clock. You would sign up and then 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.680 they would be like a bucket and uh, then they 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.160 put all this stuff and it would run from eight 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.839 to like two in the morning, and you wanted to 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.240 be you wanted to get help age. Around ten that 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.200 was like the sweet spot where like some regular people 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.600 would come in if you went on first or last. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.559 I mean, you're performing just for like five comedians, and 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:56.480 so you get up and you're trying to do like 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.240 two or three minutes. So is that how long you 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.720 went the first time that you did stand up? Yeah? 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.880 I believe it was. I believe it might have been 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:08.360 five minutes, but it was. It's two to five. Uh, 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.120 I mean you're just saying that, and it feels like 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.160 an eternity. I mean right now now where I'm at now, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.000 I mean five minutes. It's not like it's not enough time. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.400 But at that point when we first started, five minutes 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.599 is you know, if you had to stare at the 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.720 wall for five minutes, you'll see how long five minutes 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.000 steel like. And so if you're talking to a group 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.880 of people that are not laughing and just staring at you, 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:38.280 it feels even longer. It's uh, it's remarkable, crazy that 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:42.040 you know what that feels like. And uh, you both 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.360 you know, if you just have a lot of different people, 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.480 you see a lot of different comedians. There was guys 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.839 that were because they were good. You need see you 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.560 guys that have put open mics for ten years or nowhere. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.040 They you know, they know what they're doing. There's guys 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.760 that would just plague the ring just like do like 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.719 make fun of the comedy, you know stage and those 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.920 guys are very fun to watch. But you can tell, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.319 like you can would be that guy, like that guy 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.839 who's gonna know you know, he's very funny here, but 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.000 he's not gonna be that's not in this room. Laught. 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.080 So you get up the first time in two thousand 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:22.200 three and you do a you do a bit. What's 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.160 your bit? Like, what's your joke that you're going for 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.360 at that point? And how long did you craft what 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.199 that joke would be? Like how much time did you 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.880 spend to have three to five minutes or whatever it 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:32.160 was going to be the first time you got up 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.760 on the stage. I don't you know, I don't remember 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.000 the exact like how much time, but mean you worked 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:39.959 on it for a while and you would just think 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.160 of the jokes. I believe one of my first I 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.640 can't remember this is my first joke. One of it 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.679 was about the rats in Chicago. We had rats in 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.720 our apartment and in Chicago and they're they're they're bigger 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.720 than squirrels, you know, like their rats are like it's 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.640 another thing. So it was a joke about that, like 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.839 and then like given the rat like a life and 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.200 just you know, like we have these rats. He comes 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.400 in and I just wake up and he's like and 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.160 he's got the refrigerator open, getting some of the drink um, 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:12.839 and it was, you know, like talking about that. And 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.880 the other one was like about directions in Chicago when 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.160 you move. When I moved to Chicago, they would they 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.400 would always tell if you asked for directions, someone would 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.760 be like, you got to go south about five blocks, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:27.079 you gotta go north about eight blocks, and uh, you know, 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.640 I was like, I don't. I don't know north and south, 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.520 like I've never told that ever. And then they would 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.319 always tell you what the lake is east and you're like, yeah, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.839 I can't see the lake though, Like I can't, but 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.600 you know it's not I don't want to cut you off. 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.400 That's so funny because my wife is from Michigan and 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.480 when she moved out to Nashville, she was always well, like, 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.400 am I going south? Am I going north? Am I 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:50.640 going to east? Or I go with I'm like, I 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.920 don't nobody talks like that, Like you just say you're 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.439 going to like this particular town, you know, like or 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.000 you know, like I'm going to this part of the 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.439 city or whatever else. I don't know, Like, you know, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.920 She's like, am I when I'm getting off at this exit, 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.599 am I gonna go east or west? I'm like, I 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.560 don't know, I've never thought about that in my entire 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.839 life North talking about it. I don't carry a compass around, 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.679 but yeah, it's something in the West where everybody's like that, 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.920 like that they've all got compasses. I always think of 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.520 it when I hear traffic reports, like when they're like 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.280 going when they say south going on to four or forty, 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.199 You're like, is this Am I listening to the right town? 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.920 Like they're saying, they say where there's in traffic? And 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.560 I never I'm like, where is this? What are they 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.520 talking about? Because they just give like these references of 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.440 between Briley and Donald's and Pike And You're like why, 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:43.520 You're like, where is that? Yeah? All that so and 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.120 so you do that. And you're also, by the way, 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.000 you said, working in a restaurant at the same time. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.079 So then you are you trying to do everything in Chicago? 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.199 Yeah at the beginning, I am. You know when I 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:59.040 was working there was during Bartman. Oh yeah, the Bartman game. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.640 So I worked that night and if you watch them Bartman, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.360 uh the thirty or thirty embartment. So when he left 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.800 to go, um, you know, when he got escorted out 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.800 and that girl had like take him to his apart 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.559 her apartment. I worked with a girl that that was 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.240 that was her roommate. So like the next morning, during 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.400 that time, she comes back and tells us that when 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.480 she got home, you know, we're watching all this on TV. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.480 This is for social media, but you would see it 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.800 all on TV. And uh, she came home and the 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.840 next day she's like, I walked to my door embartment, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.600 was just sitting in her living room and she's like, yeah, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.480 it's unbelievable, Like it's the craziest thing. Uh it was. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.320 It was just wild, like you know, just to be 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.680 like she has no concept that he would be there 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:48.120 and then he's just there. Uh. So I worked, Yeah, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.600 So I was just working, you know, I was waiting 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:54.120 tables during the day, summer night, and then you would 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.000 go do open mics, you know, once or twice a week, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.160 and then you started like just doing a little bit 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.720 more three, four or five times, and then you start 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.720 going out every single night. A big move, a big thing. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.440 I watched, Uh Comedian came out with Seinfeld. I don't 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:12.520 know if Netflix, it's unreal, And so I went and 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.320 watched that in a theater by myself. And so right 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.360 when I watched that, I was like, I need to 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.640 move to New York, Like that's where we need That's 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.160 where I need to be going. And so I was 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.360 in Chicago for those two years and then I moved 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.960 to New York. And so you moved to you do 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.120 you have a job at all or your you know 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.840 your years old? I guess what's your job when you 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:37.080 moved to New York. So when I moved to New York, Uh, 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.520 I started there was a I started barking where you 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.840 handed out flyers to get people in this club. It's 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.960 exactly like there's a HBO crashing a show on HBO 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.320 with Pete Holmes. Pete Holmes got me barking at that 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.320 comedy club. I didn't what that show showed. I barked 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.280 at that Boston comedy club. And so you would do 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:56.880 that all day. And what I did when I first 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.360 went to New York, I started delivering. I worked for FedEx, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.360 and uh, because I was already I knew how to deliver. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.000 This was back when you had to read yet to 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:05.840 do it by a map, you would have to book. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.040 It's a map. And since I knew, I knew how 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:09.360 to do that stuff. So a guy got me a 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.240 job at FedEx, and so I started delivering and uh 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.440 I was like I delivered in New York. Uh just 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.480 driving a FedEx truck up and down the streets of 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:24.120 New York Brooklyn, Queens truck in New York City. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.560 I was done. One day we went to New Jersey 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.440 and it was more like how I used to. I'm 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.000 used to delivering where it was just regular houses, and 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.680 I mean I did so good. The guy was like 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.440 that the fastest I've ever seen, Like he was, I 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.040 delivered faster than anybody they've ever had there. Uh So 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:43.720 I knew I had a good fallback playing because I 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:48.000 was crushing at FedEx. And uh so I got stuck 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.720 in a snow storm. And I mean I remember being 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.520 on Martin Luther Team Boulevard in Brooklyn and I have 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.680 this truck and I will try to go up a 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.840 hill and I it was just this major snowstorm and 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.840 just got spun sideways and they had to like slide 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.200 all the way back down and then make it back 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.440 u to the make it back to just were the 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.159 the you know, the fed X place to drop the 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.639 truck off. And it was like I would may just no, 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.960 I would think that. So I've never known anybody to deliver. 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:19.960 And we're talking to night bar Gassy, this is Wins 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.680 and Losses podcast. I've never But what's like the best 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.080 thing that can happen on a delivery? Is it like 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.200 you show up your twenty five year old guy and 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.760 there's like a good looking girl who comes to the door. Like, 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.600 when you're a delivery guy, what is the best thing 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.680 that can happen for you? Did anybody ever like a 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:38.560 good looking person, a good looking girl ever come to 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.879 the door naked? Like, did you ever have exciting deliveries? 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.800 Not that I remember. I remember I delivered peaches too. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.639 That's how I saved money up before I moved to 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.480 when I was in Mount Joliott and uh, the only 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.719 thing I remember there. I do remember. I remember going 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.639 to someone's house and they gave me money to go 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.760 buy them beer. It's like adults, like we can't go dry. 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.800 You go to Yeah, so when you go to Kroger 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.440 and like buy us some beer. And I went and 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.080 bought them beer and brought it back and they're like 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.080 giving money like that was the only like think the 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:14.480 only kind of weird I mean, yeah, obviously a very 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:19.480 attractive lady would be your your biggest hope. But I 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.439 don't think we ever did. We never had anything when 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.280 we when I delivered U mattresses, I've delivered everything, but 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.240 I delivered matches. Is that was in uh Nashville. This 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.879 is my buddy Hunter, Jimmy Hunter. He only Hunter's Delivery Service, 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:38.040 and we, uh, we delivered since one ladies house a refrigerator. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.680 We take her old refrigerator out and there's a dead 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.680 cat behind it, and she's like, oh, that's where that cat, 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.000 that's that's where he went. She didn't know where he's been. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.720 She was like super old. And so then you just 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:50.920 got to you're like, yeah, that's crazy, right you just 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.440 kind of talk to this old ladies like you're like 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.639 like literally like how how dead was the cat? Like 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:01.520 was it like something dead like or like no, no, no, 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:03.680 And she just she just didn't know, she didn't smell it, 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.600 like she didn't know what was there. No. No, I 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.800 mean just I mean she was just like see now 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.159 like it was just like it was it me the 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:16.320 very you know, poor neighborhood. It was in Nashville, like 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.240 he was. And we and then we got caught in 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.119 a drive by right after that. This all sounds made up. 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.920 This We we were driving and then we're going back 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.080 out and then we hear like some pops, sounds like 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.880 fire truck fire, and we look and at this car 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.320 behind us was like shooting up this house. And then 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.879 they shot at our car on our truck. We had 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.440 like a twenty six ft box truck, and they shot 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.560 at and we swerved over, and then they drove by 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.760 us and drove away. Yeah, we got he had and 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.320 went through the back of the the back door and 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.720 went out above where I was sitting. So this is 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.280 this is gonna sound ridiculous because I've also been in 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.040 a car in Nashville and gotten shot at and had 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:00.119 the car get hit. So we were saying earlier, you're 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.000 a class of nineties seven too, So for people who 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.840 are from Nashville, this will probably make some sense at least. Um. 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.440 So I went to Martin Luther King Magnet High School 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.639 in Nashville, and the cheerleaders at our high school this 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.760 was our senior year of high school. We're having a sleepover, 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.560 and so I mean it's probably I mean for guys 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.320 out there now, you're like that sounds awesome. I mean, 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.639 when you're a senior in high school, the cheerleaders are 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:24.480 all having a sleepover. So we decided we were going 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.720 to roll the house. Right, it's a it's a house 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.520 in Antioch. And so it's me and like six of 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.719 my buddies, and we're in two different cars. It might 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:33.679 have been eight of us, six six or eight of us, right, 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.320 all guys. And so we pull up at the house 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.000 and we've got toilet paper in our hands and everything else, 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.119 and we're like throwing the toilet paper rolls all in 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.359 the trees. And there are two cars. And my buddy 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:46.960 who would later be the best man in my wedding, 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:51.080 he had an old SOB convertible and he had put 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.800 like it was. It was awful car, but he had 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.800 put like somehow he had decided to turn it into 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.639 a shark, so it had like a shark fin on 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.120 the top of it. And he parked his car back. 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:02.760 It was a dead end street. He parked his car 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.760 fairly far back, and then there was another car full 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:08.280 of people that was parked closer. So while we're rolling, 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:10.840 all of a sudden, we hear like a shotgun, like 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.119 a you know, like a like somebody clearly like cocks 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.879 a gun and then fires into the air, and we're like, 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.760 holy crap, what's going on? So we all panic and 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:21.600 we all run, and a bunch of dudes get in 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.640 the front car, and then me and my buddy Ian 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:26.480 and my friend Paul, we all get into the back 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.080 of his car. There's like five people. It's probably eight 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:30.399 of us. There's like five people who get in the 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.239 front car. They drive away, they're fine. The guy who 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.720 lived across the street from the head cheerleader has got 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.399 a gun and we dive in the back. We're in 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.399 the back seat. My friend Ian is driving and he 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.080 has got his his gun, and as we drive by 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:50.080 his rifle, he takes aim at the car and he 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:54.119 fires once, aiming at the tire well, and he misses. 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.920 But when the car gets hit, like you can totally 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.440 feel it, you know, like the car I didn't felt 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.200 like to have a are get hit, but the car 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.240 like jolts right. And then as we piss him, he 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.840 aims for the back window and he barely misses and 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:10.159 just hits right below the back windows. So there's this 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:14.680 huge embedded bullet directly beneath it, and so the guy 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:18.520 later said, oh, I thought they were robbing the house, 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:20.480 and I'm like this guy. First of all, I don't 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.760 think they did anything to this guy, but I'm like, 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.160 we were at toilet paper. This would be the worst 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.760 robbery of all time if you're throwing toilet paper into 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:33.280 the house, white toilet paper, so that everybody can see 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.480 what you're doing. Like the guy totally lied. I sometimes 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:38.639 wonder what that guy does now and if he's still alive. 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.359 But that happened to us in Antioch, and so we 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:47.480 were like terrified. So maybe, but I didn't know you 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:49.280 worked as a delivery guy. So you're working as a 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.959 delivery guy in Manhattan FedEx guy and then like are 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:54.960 you up late at night going into comedy clubs? Like 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.800 how does that work? So I did that and then 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:02.000 I realized that, like, well, someone a strong FedEx career, 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.639 like this is I'm I'm you know. I was like 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:09.679 sometimes working until eight nine o'clock a night. Uh, somethings 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.359 you get off at two in that soon somethings it's longer. 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:14.159 So it was two. I was like, I can't do this, 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.800 Like so then I switched to just loading trucks, which 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.720 was like five am. And what I would do is 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.400 we'd go in at like seven pm. I'd go into 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.679 the city. I would hand out flyers for the shows 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:28.960 that would start at like eight, and the show would 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.280 run from eight to one to and I think two 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.760 in the morning, maybe even three somethings like uh, and 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.000 we would just stand out there and do that all night, 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.119 and I would get up. I would get to go 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.479 up late at night, like one of the last spots, 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:45.360 so you were lucky if there was five people in there, 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.359 and uh. And then what I would do is I 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:50.840 would just stay awake, Like I would just stay up 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.119 and go into fed X at five am, worked at 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:55.639 ten am, and then sleep during the day and then 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.800 started again at seven. And you did every night because 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.560 he was you know, uh, there's no nights off. That's 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.680 what I'm here. They're due is stand up. And I 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:06.520 mean that was like, I mean, this is there, like 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:08.800 Chappelle's show was going on. So Chappelle used to come 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:12.320 in there. Uh you know, it's like two four, and 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:16.080 I mean we would just be standing outside hiding these 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:18.320 flyers out and Chappelle would just like pop in and 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:20.399 go up and there'd be eight people in the crowd 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.399 and he would just go on. I remember him and 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:27.560 having uh makeup on his ear, like behind his ear. 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:28.960 One day, it was like, tell us about it, and 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.600 it was like, I don't know if it was the 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:34.280 it was like he was either painted like as a 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.160 white person when he's doing some sketch, one of those 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:39.359 sketches like that, and uh. But he would come in 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:41.040 and would watch him go up in front of nobody 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.040 and just sit there and you know, talk and whatever, 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:46.359 and then we go outside and say like Chappelle's on stage, 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:50.320 and then I mean he would take fifteen minutes in 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:52.119 the room would be sold out because we led him 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.760 in for free, and we just like Chappelle's on stage, 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:57.040 so then everybody would just come in. I'll never get 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:00.080 one couple, I said Chappelle's day sapells on stage and 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:01.720 they were like I don't believe you. And I go, 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.639 why why would I make this up? Like is that 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:06.880 a comedy? I'm telling him, like why would I lie 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.640 about this? And the like, I think you're just trying 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:09.879 to make us come in the room. I was like, 0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:12.280 go to that window and if you do not see 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:15.200 Dave Chappelle, turn around and leave and they were like no, 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.800 and then just left. I've never always think about those 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.760 people like what, like, you know, they literally, what do 0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:23.879 you think we're trying to kill you? Like, it's a 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.680 comedy club. He's a comedian. It's not that far off. 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.480 It's actually perfect. It makes perfect sense that he would 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.399 be there. Uh but yeah, you so I would get 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:39.040 to sit and watch him. Bill Burr, Patrese O'Neil another 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.840 unbelievable comedian that passed away. Uh, Greg Giraldo, I mean 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.159 collin Quin. Like all of these people would just come in. 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.919 They'd come in like they would just stop in whenever, 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.200 and they would go up and then you would just 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.320 you know, you get to start meeting these guys and 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.280 hanging around them, and that was like, you know, just 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.560 kind of where you learn everything. So when do you 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:04.000 start thinking I'm decent at this? There would be more, 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.639 you know, you could have moments where I mean I 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:09.040 remember the bad moments of the ones that I remember 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.359 that hurt the most. I remember one time getting the 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.080 ghost on a weekend, like the place would sell out 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.399 and uh so you get to go up on the 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:21.920 late show. Uh one you you do get into one spot. 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.560 It's from the late show, and I remember this crowd 0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:29.080 was so hot and so great, and uh, they this 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.480 girl that went up that I knew that I didn't 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:33.879 think was I thought I was better than her. And 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.159 she goes up and murders and I was like, all right, 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.680 she's murdering, I'm gonna just slaughtered like two A big problem. 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.200 I go up and bomb the hardest you could bomb. 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:45.919 I bombed so hard, like it was like I never 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.080 wore the shirt I had on ever again because I 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.680 thought it was the shirt I go. I would just 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.120 anything in my head I could make up. And I left. 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.399 I had to go walk around like the West Village, 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:57.840 like by myself. Like I was like sick to my stomach. 0:26:57.920 --> 0:26:59.879 I was like, you know where you just kind of 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.160 have a moment of just like I'm terrible. I don't 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:06.600 know what's going on. Uh why were you so bad 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:11.080 then at night? Uh? You know that. I mean I 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.720 was never that like I I mean, I bombed definitely 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.280 a lot of times. It's situations when you bomb. It's 0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.000 I mean, there's there's comics that are definitely terrible comedians. 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.480 But if you're if you have jokes and you're you know, 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:24.080 and your jokes are funny, it's usually gonna be a 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:26.600 crowd problem. Like it's usually like they're drunk. They're not, 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.560 you know. I mean there's situations. One day, I had 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.359 to weight tables at that comedy club because the waiter 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.480 didn't show up. So I was like, well, I knew 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.600 how to wait tables, so I waited tables and then 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.800 I would go Then I went on stage and like 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.119 then came off stage and went to the table, and 0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:45.240 it's like and brought them more beer. Yeah, I mean 0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:47.200 there's just a lot of like that situation is like 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.920 no one would take you serious. No one really takes 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:51.680 you to you know, if I'm hatting a flyer, trying 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.760 to make you come into this show, and then you 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.560 watched me on stage, you're not like, oh wow, that's 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:58.639 cool man, Like you're like, who is this? You're not 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:02.000 predisposed to think that guy's good, which oftentimes can impact 0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.680 initial reaction. But on that particular night, when you're out 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:08.680 having your West Village walk of like shame what happened 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:11.680 that your jokes didn't work that night? I think I 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.880 got too cocky, Like I got to like I thought, 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:19.000 if she did good, there's no way I can't. I'm 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:22.160 better than her, And there was like two confident, too cocky. 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:24.639 You may be walking up there with more of a 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:28.159 swagger than I've hearned. And you know, a big thing 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:30.360 for us is like if you ever if you see 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.400 if I see a comics sit down on the stool, 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:35.240 I mean like it's a big no note. Like it's 0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.920 like and if a comic does sit down, you better 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.360 be unbelievable. Like Bill Cosby sat down on a stool. 0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.040 So unless you're that level of comedian, You're like, you 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.360 don't deserve to sit down on the stool, like because 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:51.200 it gives a fake confidence. I don't. I hate fake confidence, 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.560 and people like, you know, it's like there, it's not 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.480 a real they can just they're like, I'm gonna sit down, 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.520 and you know, I don't know. It's very cocky, and 0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:00.960 I think I had that. I was very I didn't 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:02.880 sit down on the stool, but I'm like there was 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.080 like a mantle kind of behind you and people would 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:06.960 lean on it, and I'm like leaning on it, like 0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.720 just very nonchalantly talking like I got everything and I 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.440 just and then once like the first joke doesn't work, 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:17.400 then it's like I mean, now you're just like you're 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.680 just struggling hard. They're like, oh, even now if I 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:23.920 do comedy, if one joke doesn't work, you felt the 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.440 next one out quicker and then quicker, you know, and 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.400 then it's like then they're like, what's going on? And 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:31.440 then you never really get the back and then you're 0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:34.120 just done. So like that night that happened, I mean, 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.760 everybody murders except me, and I mean I got no 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:42.400 laugh so it just like destroyed me. I still remember, like, 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:44.320 you know, like it was like that it affected me 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.560 that much. So that would have been at what age? 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.600 So two dozen does rights four, two five, twenty three, 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:58.280 twenty four? Maybe when when do you start being able 0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:02.720 to make a living off of touring and other things? 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.240 Like at what point do you say, Okay, I've you know, 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:07.680 kind of served my apprenticeship. How much time do you 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.440 put in doing the you know, sending out get trying 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.960 to get people to come into the comedy club and 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:16.480 working full time doing another job. At what point do 0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:21.560 you kind of take that next step? I would say, 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.440 I mean, so I started two thousand four, I mean 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:31.000 I got married in two thousands six. Uh, that helps 0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.480 my wife was working in New York should a good job. 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.920 So I'm still doing like some like temp work where 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.040 you would just you know, I don't know, do whatever 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.680 you go. Like I'd go to the convention center and 0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.920 just like ask some questions if you need help or something. 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.960 I remember still doing that, like a two six two seven, 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:52.560 I'd take two. I'm not really making I mean, I'm 0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:54.200 not making much money to the day you get to 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.320 where I just remember I wanted to get to where 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:58.960 the amount of money I would make if I waited tables, 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.080 you know, I just need to make like twenty gran 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.040 a year. Like if I can get to twenty gran 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.000 a year, like that's how much, you know, And that 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:06.640 was like a big deal. I was like, oh wow, 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.120 I'm making this same amount of money I was making 0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:12.520 waiting tables, like you know, And you were like that 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.960 was like a big mark. And then you get you know, 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:16.840 then it just keeps in. Then the mark kind of 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.160 goes in the next year, you might make thirty and 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.240 then you remember, you know, you might make fifty. And 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.040 now you're like, oh, this is like a like if 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.840 I had a regular job, you're making what would be 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.960 a regular person salary, and like you're just like can't 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.040 believe you're you know, that's all you're doing. And so 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:33.720 it's two doan dight was like a big year for me, 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:36.840 Like that was I did Montreal Comedy Festival just for 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.680 last and they had a thing called New Faces, and 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:44.120 that was I got. I did that. Uh, and then 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:47.600 I did a Conan and Live a Gotham. So I 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:49.200 did all of that in two thousand and eight. Live 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.360 and Gotham was a little comedy Central where you do 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.800 like five minutes, and then uh, I did in Late 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:59.640 Night with Conan was my first time. But for for 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:03.880 it in I was very nervous, like so they came in. 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:07.080 There's a couple of stories with it. So the first 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.200 time I go do it. I have have these managers 0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:13.000 and they're good guys, but they were like kind of crazy, 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:15.600 like they're kind of lunatics. Like I would always say, 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.880 like if you saw a manager, if someone walked into 0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:19.880 the room and you're like, who's your manager, and I 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.200 would be like, who'd you thinks about to get kicked 0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:24.760 out of here? That's my manager. Like he was a 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.000 guy that would he'd wear a cowboy hat and a 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:30.720 handlebar mustache and they're Jewish and they just like he 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:32.440 just was like he was just like kind of a 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:37.240 redneck kind of Jewish person. And um, so I go 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.120 and the first time I do toll In. I tell 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.120 this in my act now, but like it's I I 0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:43.680 go do what they picked me in my wife up 0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:45.720 at our house and we go to thirty Rock where 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.000 I mean, pull up the thirty Rock. All these pop 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.440 rocks as are taking pictures of the celebrities going into 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.080 thirty Rock. So they come to the car because they think, 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.840 you know, I'm gonna be some celebrity. And so then 0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:58.760 I opened the door and I opened it. Uh, they 0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.400 all got their cameras up, and one guy just goes, 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:05.680 it's nobody, just yells it out, and they all turned 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.000 and walk away from me. And it was just so 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:11.120 like deflating to like, you know, and I know I'm 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.280 not acting like I'm somebody, but it's like you don't, 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.320 like in my head, I'm like, just to let the picture, 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.800 you know, you got to shout it out, like just 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:21.000 pretend to take it or something like you know. Uh. 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:23.360 But so that was the first time. So then I 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:27.000 did so I did conan and uh, and then a 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.760 couple of months later, they were doing auditions again for Conan, like, 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.520 and I told my managers, like, I want to try 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.080 to do it again, and uh, they were like, you 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.960 can't do it again. Nobody does it within three months 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:39.880 of each other. And I was like, well, I think 0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:41.600 I can try. Why not trying? They were like, no, 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:46.640 these done. These managers they were like no, So I go. Uh. 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:48.360 So I just went and got it set up on 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.040 my own and I got it again. And I wasn't 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:52.560 even going to tell them. I was at the point 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:54.200 of just like I just want these men. I want 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:57.200 my managers just just see me on Conan again. Uh, 0:33:57.480 --> 0:33:59.320 just to be like, yeah, I went into it again 0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:03.400 because you game. And uh they end up finding out 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:04.960 they came to the audition and I then I got 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.239 it and they came to Conan and they're like, oh 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.440 that's cool, man. But you know, they just played off. 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:12.600 So what's the benefit for people out there? We're talking 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.080 to night bar Gassy, I'm Clay Travis. It's wins and wasses. 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.600 What's the benefit for and And I'm just kind of 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:21.799 fascinated by the comedic industry in general, but I think 0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.080 I'm kind of the average a listener here. The benefit 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.640 of doing a show like Conan is what it's a legitimizing, 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.279 it's a stamp of approval. It's the amount of people 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.960 who are watching. Could you tell any difference in your 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:37.319 career before and after you did Conan? No, you don't. 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:39.000 I mean you could mostly that do Conan for the 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.600 first time, go back to a day job. Yeah, like 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.800 they're they they haven't made it. They're making you know 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.839 there there there, You're struggling the whole time. The point 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.440 of doing it, you have every time you think this 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:53.600 could be at the time, like you know, because when 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.560 you used to do Carson Carson, that changed. Those guys 0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.440 live like they was back then. They would get a 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.200 tour around the country and they was you know, if 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.640 they're if they're on a once, you know. But Steve 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:08.800 Martin says it took him like eleven times on Carson. 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.040 He said that in his book. So I always thought 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:13.560 it was just like you did it once, But like 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:17.719 you know, a lot of guys Seinfeld took off. Stephen Wright, Uh, 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:21.160 he got asked back. That was when Carson waved him 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:22.960 over and he got asked back on the show that 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.040 next week. That's how good he did, so that was 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.040 like huge, but that was there's three channels. So when 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:32.520 I did Conan, you're doing it just to like you 0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.799 hope it's going to be something crazy, but it's all 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.520 just check marks in your career that like means you 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.120 keep moving forward. So now I've done I think thirteen 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.640 Late Night Steps, maybe fourteen elements. But it was like 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:46.839 so it's like all of it is just like you're 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.239 just staying around your faces on everything. You're going through 0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.719 the system of like trying to move up to a 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:57.120 special and like so it's that's what that's the the 0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.600 huge benefit of it is that I mean like when 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.719 I did Conan, I mean I wasn't even headline. I 0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:04.040 don't know if I could have even done in an 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.880 hour or worth of material. Uh, you know, you probably 0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:10.279 have like thirty forty good minutes. So you just do 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.160 it just to it's a check mark. It's a good 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.200 thing to get. You have a credit that helps you 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.359 with when I go trying to play clubs in New York. 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.120 Like in clubs of New York, it's not like a 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:24.200 typical it's not like going to Zanies in Nashville or 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.840 like you know, an improv or something where you have 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.320 one headliner and then they have an opener. Clubs in 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.080 New York there's like seven guys go on, so you 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.800 have like, you know, every night is like seven comics 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:37.920 are on every show and everybody's doing like twelve to 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:42.319 fifteen minutes. Those credits like a conan helps you get 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:44.799 into those clubs because now the club can be like, well, 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.239 this guy was on a Conan, you know, and no 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.400 one knows that you're on. No one's like, oh I 0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.000 know that guy, you know, but it's just he's been 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:55.839 on late night. So it, you know, reaffirms that we're 0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:59.280 a professional comedy clubs, you know. So it's I'm fascinated 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:03.440 on the economics of this. So has comedy become like 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:07.040 you're either a superstar and you make a good living 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:09.759 or it's like you can barely afford to make a 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.560 living at all, Like there's almost no middle class of comedy. 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:17.640 Would that be accurate or inaccurate? Um? I would say so. 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.360 I mean, look, there's like the problem with comedy is 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.560 like the problem with you know, probably what you do 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:26.520 is like someone doing the podcast. Anybody can have a podcast, 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:31.200 it's gonna sw skew the skew the numbers because like 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.320 I can have a podcast, you know, like anybody on 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.480 earth can do a podcast and no one listens. I 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.319 mean you see it all the time. There's nothing greater 0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:43.040 than we've been seeing comedians post videos to their fans 0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:45.000 and you'll see like four people like it. You're like, 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.799 who're you talking to? It's insanity. But that guy says 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.120 he's a comedian. So that guy's walking around saying he's 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.160 a comedian. So there's there's way more of those people 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.319 then there are that actually you're doing it. But when 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:59.600 you're in the the meat of it, of the guys 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.359 that are you're doing it, I think there's your gaffigans, 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:08.640 just Seinfeld's Sebastian, I think Special Meniscalco, like these guys 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:13.080 now I mean Gascan, Sebastian Menscalco, Brian Reagan, Anotherland. But 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.960 like they're they're guys that have made their livings from 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.560 stand up. Like it's not their shows, that's not anything else, 0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:22.759 and they make crazy livings down like they're on those 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:24.880 Forbes lists. I mean, you know they they can make 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:28.440 fifty million dollars a year, like just touring and if 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.880 you can sell the tickets then you can do these arenas, 0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:33.320 you can do these big things. So there is that 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.640 there is these guys that are making a ton of money. 0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.399 There's a lot of guys though, that can make under 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.800 a million, make two thousand dollars a year, like you 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.799 could do like I'm clean. So if you're a clean 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:50.239 comedian and you say you just have some of the 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:52.640 if you don't have any of my specials, but I 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:55.080 just have like my Late Night my Tonight Show appearances, 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:57.600 those are the check marks you have in your career. 0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.160 So I remember my career. At first, you're just you 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.640 want to get to where like, no matter what, I 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.880 could do cruises, I could do private gigs, like you know, 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:08.840 I have enough credits where you know, I could probably 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:11.600 make a hundred thousand dollars a year. Like just you 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.000 just want to get to that point where you're just like, 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.200 all right, I can do this now. You have like 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:18.319 it's like a safety net. You feel I have an 0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.799 hour worth of material that I can go do these 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.719 gigs or whatever that you know you don't want to 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.640 be doing. But they're good, you know, they're not bad gigs, 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:29.920 and guys can make livings. So there's a lot of 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.400 guys in that I would say a hundred to they 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:36.080 can make hundreds of three hundred, four hundred thousand dollars 0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:38.759 a year, you know, and and and do and do 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:41.279 pretty good. I mean, like, you know, and then there's 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.560 another leap. And I think once you get above that, 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:47.960 like people are starting to leap into like where you know, 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.040 I think you can be making you know, you can 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:52.279 make a million, two million, then you get and then 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:54.480 as you get up it's like four or five and 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:56.200 you get gas and I mean some of them are 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.480 making thirty forty million dollars a year and they're just touring. 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:04.400 So I'm curious on this. Can you tell the difference? 0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:07.880 I'll give you an example, like, um, I feel like 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.879 a lot of times with music, you can't really tell 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.760 the difference between somebody who is the most talented musician. 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:16.480 It might just be the person who gets the most 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.360 marketing behind them and everything else. Do you feel like 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.480 comedy is a meritocracy and that the guys who do 0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.120 the best and the girls tend to be the best 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.000 comedians or when you guys sit around like you know, 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.840 for instance, writing there are a lot of great writers 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:33.560 who don't make great livings because they're not writing for 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.000 the masses. Do you think that the people who tend 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.160 to make the best livings in comedy are the best 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.600 at what they do or their comics? Comics and you 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.279 guys are like, man, this guy or this girl is incredible, 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.920 but they just don't make that They never cross over, 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:47.560 do you know what I'm talking about? Like the like 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.920 people in the in the craft that appreciate them in 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:55.520 a way maybe that the masses don't. Yes, I think 0:40:56.880 --> 0:41:00.239 a lot of like you know, a lot of guy eyes. 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.120 I mean, look the top right now, Chapelle and burg 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.239 Bill Bird. That bird has had a special come out too. 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:10.480 So there's your two top guys and those guys. The 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:12.600 thing that separates a lot of them is a point 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.600 of view. Like there you you get what their point 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:17.399 of view is. And so when they have a point 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.839 of view and they're talking to themselves, whatever they talk 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:23.160 about is like their own thing. There, HiT's their own 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:26.200 take on it. Everything's original. You want to you you 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.239 want to know what they think about those things, and 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.520 the point of view is what separates. I've listened to 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:34.520 I'll do it a lot with myself, Like I'll listen 0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:37.480 to like comedians like on the radio like serious, you know, 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:41.600 Netflix and Comedy Central Radio or laft all laugh uts 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.920 say whatever. You're listening to all these like comedians and 0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:47.640 also listen to guys and be like, why why is 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:49.719 that guy not famous? Like that was a funny joke. 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.400 Why is he not making any money? He's just like 0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:55.799 a dude that's just like plugging along making sixty grand 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:59.440 a year maybe. Uh. And it's like it all comes 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:02.000 from point of you. And that's that's like the main 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.880 thing to me that I that I see the difference 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:06.960 is like everybody has to have a point of view. 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:08.840 You have to have something. I mean, you're in a 0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:13.200 business that no one cares if you do stand up. 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.239 No one needs you, no one you know, no one's 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.600 begging us to do stand up. We're trying to, you know, 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.480 do something that's you know that no one's asked us 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.440 to do. So you have to be you have to 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.920 have something that makes people want to be like I 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.359 want to listen to this guy. So I think that's 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:33.320 what separates those guys. I think if you're there's no 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:37.600 one that's terrible that that's at the top, they couldn't 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.680 be not your cup of tea you cannot like what 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:42.120 they do or that you don't enjoy it. But even know, 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.560 if you see people always you know, like they're the 0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:48.359 cable guy. Like I remember guys saying like, oh about him, 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:50.120 like you know, he's just doing get or done and 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.080 all these stuff, and they act like it's easy. And 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:54.680 I would just you know, all I would say is like, 0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:57.279 didn't go do that? You go do it. If you 0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.480 can do that and makes sixty million dollars a year, 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:01.880 then why would you not go do that? But they 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:05.279 can't because he did create something, So like that's what 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:07.960 that's what's great is he did create something you might 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.400 not like. It might not be your thing, but it 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:14.439 is a lot of people's things. Kevin Hard, he's created something. 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.880 People love what he does. There's different guys, you know, 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:20.560 to me, the best right now is Bill Burn and Chappelle. 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:23.480 I mean, which is pretty clear, but that's the best 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:27.400 between even comics. We all think that those guys are 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:32.160 that's the best comics working gask into uh. But then yeah, 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:33.920 there's plenty of people that are like, yeah, they're not 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:37.160 like my thing, but there's a market for Look that 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:41.960 Hannah Gatsby, you know, she put that special out whatever. 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:43.719 You know, it's like that's why she didn't have doing 0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:46.320 comedy on it, Like she's just like doing it, you know, 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:49.120 but if there's a huge market for people want to 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.799 hear it, so she's doing something. She's like figured something out. 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:55.239 So it's like what you just sometimes have to like 0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:58.680 you gotta take yourself out of it, Like I was. 0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:01.839 Sometimes what I'll say, I it why they are even 0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.120 if it's not someone that I like, I'll be like 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.680 I get it though, I get why people would like them, 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:10.239 and that's what I think those people as Uh. You 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:13.320 mentioned Chappelle and Burr. You also mentioned that you're a 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.839 quote unquote you know, kind of clean comedian. So how 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:18.680 I want to I'm gonna come back to Chappelle and 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:21.640 burg because I've watched those comedy specials as well, But 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:24.040 I want to come back to the decision when and 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.560 how do you decide, Okay, I'm gonna be a clean 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.440 comedian And for people out there, I'm assuming that means 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.480 that you don't like tell off color jokes, you don't 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:34.520 really curse in your specials, Like how do you make 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:37.080 the decision that that is going to be your avenue? 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.680 Were you ever not a clean comedian? Did you try 0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:43.280 different persona so to speak, before you found your voice? 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:45.840 How did you come to do comedy the way that 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:49.920 you do it? I started like, you know, I grew 0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:52.480 up here, So I mean, that's all a love let's do. 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.520 I mean, you grew up. You know, you're Southern Baptist 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:59.480 Christian family, just typical national you know family, and so 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:01.640 you just I've never was allowed to like listen to 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.239 any of this stuff. And uh so I just grew 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.480 up like that's just how I grew up. And then 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.240 so when I started coming, I knew I couldn't be dirty, 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:12.480 and it's mainly because of my parts. I was like, 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:14.360 my parents are gonna they would kill me if I 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.440 was like filthy, and so that's been that's been my 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:21.120 thing ever since the beginning. I was saying, like what 0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.200 I've learned, I this is something I've learned about my 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.959 stuff recently. It's like all the stuff that I write, 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.560 I write to not make my parents mad at me, 0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:31.359 Like I don't want him to be embarrassed. So every 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:35.400 joke is like I'm writing to make them not be embarrassed, 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:37.520 or like they're gonna be mad at me. And I 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.840 think it helps because you're writing for something so specific 0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:44.480 that it didn't relate to a broader instead of trying 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.080 to I'm not trying to relate to everybody. I'm trying 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.000 to not make them mad at me. And uh so 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.680 it's like I just always I've always started that way, 0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:58.200 and I was doing like midnight uncensored shows, like that's 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:01.399 how the shows were advertised, and everybody in the show 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.239 is just filthy, and then I just I never had 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.760 I never had those jokes. I never had sex jokes. 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.000 I just never did. And but I learned that I 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.719 would have to tell these jokes and I didn't want 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:14.879 the audience to be like, oh, this is a clean guy. 0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:17.680 So like I you know, because people just write you 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:20.360 off when they're like, oh, you're a clean comedian. My 0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:23.279 thing that I like the most that people tell me 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:25.839 is when they is that they don't realize I'm clean. 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.120 And that's the ultimate goal is like for you to 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:29.960 be like, oh, I didn't even think about it and 0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:32.440 like that, and that's what you wanted. That's what you 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:34.879 want to be, is you know, to be like, yeah, 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:36.640 they don't think about it. And I look at like, look, 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:39.839 there's plenty of dirty guys. Whatever, there's there's whatever you want, 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.200 we can send you to someone that does that thing. 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:46.719 So there was plenty of people being dirty. So then 0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.160 once I started that way, then you're realizing, like, well, 0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:53.160 I'm like not being dirty just because every single comedian 0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:56.080 is being dirty. So why would I? Why would I 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:58.520 put myself with them? Why would I? Why would I? 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.440 You know, if I talk about sex, They're all talking 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.880 about sex, every one of them. So why would I? 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:09.600 Why would I want to try to write a better 0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:13.040 sex joke than the thousand of them that are out there. 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:15.479 If I don't do that, then that's just one extra 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:19.160 joke I have. That is something different, that's something that 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:22.920 no one's thought of. So I want to go back 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:26.640 to the Chappelle and the burr Um when you watch 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:30.200 a special and you are in the same industry as 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:33.960 those guys. I remember when I first started writing, people said, 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:35.680 you have to find your own voice. And it's an 0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:40.160 interesting dynamic because, uh, you want to find your voice, 0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:43.560 which sounds different than everybody else's voice, but also you're 0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:47.160 trying to learn simultaneously from the voices that surround you. Right. 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:49.200 In other words, for a writer, the best way to 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.600 learn how to write is to read the people who 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:54.120 are the best writers, and then hopefully you develop your 0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:57.399 own voice that builds upon whatever they have created. I'm 0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:00.800 assuming the same thing is true of comedians. Do you 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:03.040 still kind of you said you listen to the radio 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.120 and you're talking about Burr and Chappelle and things like that. 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.480 Do you find yourself taking notes almost watching it like 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:10.680 it's film if you were an athlete, right, if you're 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.040 a quarterback, you want to go watch what Tom Brady 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.200 and Peyton Manning do because you can learn from them 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.520 because you do the same thing. You just don't necessarily 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.200 do quite as well. Do you watch comedy the same 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:26.640 way as a young quarterback might watch game film? You? Uh, yeah, 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:29.040 I watched Burds such a last time, and like, so 0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:33.080 I was with ber like a year ago or something, 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:37.080 maybe your hash I went to Talladega and so I've 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.400 done Dayton and Talladega with him, and like, so I 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.040 gotta see some of this, like whenever you're like first 0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:47.319 starting to put it together, and uh, what you take 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.920 from Look, when you first start, the biggest thing you 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:54.000 take is you take people's cadences. So that's the that's 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:56.960 the thing that you get influenced with the most. The 0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:00.239 speech pattern, like the speech pattern, the thing it makes 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:03.080 him laugh like Brian Reagan's is you know, whatever he is, 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.520 you know, it's thing that he has that makes people 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:09.320 ask Burger is like, you know, he burd has his 0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:12.879 arm on the like stand, he props up and puts 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:15.640 his arm. So you would start seeing everybody, every younger 0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:18.080 comics starting to do that, and they grabbed the mic 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:21.000 stand and they start moving it a little bit more Chappelle, 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:23.800 he hits the microphone on his leg. I mean, I 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:26.120 hate it that he does it, but that's like what 0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:28.480 he does. And you can start seeing some other guys 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:31.040 do it like and you start seeing it and like 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:34.360 when you first start, everybody in New York, everybody sounded 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.200 like David Tell. David Tell was probably the pound from Pound, 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:40.680 the funniest comedian has ever lived. Truth, Like, if I 0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.160 if I had to pay to watch someone, I'd watch 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:45.680 him because it will there will be nothing fun er, 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.480 nothing is more fun than watching him. And uh so 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:53.960 U Tell was like everybody sounded like a Tell. Everybody 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:55.960 just you would like if you went and watched him, 0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:58.680 you just you would start you know, you start taking 0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.120 the cadence from him, because they you gotta learn a 0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:06.480 cadence that makes people laugh. So the way they can 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:08.759 talk is like the way they say something is like 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:12.200 they just figured something out and it's their thing. So 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:14.960 you start, like you get influenced by it very heavily, 0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:17.680 and you have to be very aware of it, like 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.200 you have to, like, you know, you would realize that 0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:21.680 Like there's times I was like, oh, I can't go 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.279 watch David Tell anymore because I would might I feel 0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:28.240 like I'm sounding like him or Bird or like whoever Chappelle. 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:32.040 Like you, just every every young Southern novelist sounds for 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:35.440 a while like William Faulkner, right because they're like, oh, 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.759 this is the guy who's got the most pronounced and 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:41.319 voice that kind of defines a region and you grow 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:45.040 up reading him or whatever else, and so everybody has 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:47.600 a falkinery and twist, and for you, it would be 0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:50.440 that guy that you're talking about right now, where everybody 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:54.160 mimics him because he's literally the master of the craft. Yeah, 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:56.360 David Tell. Have you heard of David Tel? You know 0:50:56.920 --> 0:51:03.920 Insombiac Central. He's unreal, so uh, just very jokes, very 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.320 quick whatever. Yes, but you you so you catch yourself 0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:07.960 doing that, so you have to you have to like 0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:10.920 learn to like sometimes get you still need to be 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:13.880 watching them because you need to see you know. That 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:15.439 was the big thing about moving to New York, because 0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:17.960 like I would see people make it. I remember these 0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.000 I'm sorry getting passed at the Comedy Seller. Past means 0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:23.640 he's allowed to play there, and and he was was 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:25.719 doing open mics with him, and then he's like, now 0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:28.279 he's playing at the Comedy Seller. And then he was 0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:31.320 hosting the MTV Movie Awards and you're like what, So, 0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:35.080 like you need to be around it happened very fast, 0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:37.120 and you need to see that. I saw Bill Burr 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.640 like Birds is almost entire. He was probably a ten 0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:43.279 year comic when I moved to New York, and he 0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:46.440 was unbelievable. And so I watched him go from that 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:49.320 comic to the comic key is right now and so 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:51.840 and I've seen birds like my guy, Like that's the 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:55.719 guy that, like I I couldn't believe when I first 0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:58.120 saw him. I went to HBO one night Stand taping, 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:01.520 and I mean he murdered so hard you could still 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:04.680 the crowd like be like you know, like they were 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:07.440 like what what was that? Like what happened? Because they 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:10.040 just they were laughing so hard and you were just 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:12.640 like you just knew, like, oh, this is it's happening 0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.360 right now. This dude's about to shoot off on a 0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:19.080 rocket and become the guy he that he is right now. 0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:22.680 And so it was very neat to like see that stuff. 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:25.000 Yes you have so now when I watch it now, 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:30.320 I will sometimes watch Old Bird specials if I but 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:32.719 I'll do it to get motivated, Like I'll do it. 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:34.960 I get very excited when I hear a joke like 0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:37.759 really working and a joke that's really funny. It gets 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:41.680 you like all juice uff and you're excited and you're like, yeah, yeah, 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:44.400 I want to create something like that. So you're not 0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:49.480 doing it like learns, I'm not, Like I'm not, you know, now, 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.360 I wouldn't like what I would learn from like like 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:55.040 I opened for Chris Rock and like so I would 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:57.719 just learn from Chris, like you know, some of it's 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.320 just even how to be Chris Rock, Like you know, 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:02.560 some of it's you know, it's like how do you tour? 0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:04.520 What do you do like on the road, and like 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.080 you know, seeing how they you know, when you do theaters, 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:09.320 like you could just be asking them, like you do 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:11.879 an encore, do you do how do people come out? 0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:14.399 Not that I'm at that level that those guys are at, 0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:16.440 but you know you're just like asking them like some 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:19.680 little questions like that. But for if I watched this special, 0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:23.680 I'm a lot of it is motivation, Like it's just 0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:27.520 to like get you up and writing and like get 0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:32.440 you excited again about like stand up. So when is 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:35.719 the first time so you're you get married and uh 0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:38.440 and obviously your wife you probably give a shout out here, 0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:42.360 has to be pretty supportive. I would imagine when do 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:47.000 you start thinking, hey, like I like I'm getting so 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:49.560 the career trajectories. You get on cone and you pull 0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:52.080 up and people have no idea who you are, but 0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:54.640 you keep plugging away. I mean you're talking years now, 0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:56.800 and you said initially your goal is to make twenty 0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:00.279 dollars a year, and you know you're putting in years 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:02.279 to be able to get just twenty tho dollars a year. 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:04.799 And obviously this podcast called Wins and Losses and we're 0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:08.040 talking to a parkassy. But you gotta get years in 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:09.839 to get to there. And that's what I say from 0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:12.600 a writing perspective, I had to put in years before 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.400 I made anything right writing online. I just didn't grind 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:18.080 and grind and grind, And I feel like there's this 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:21.719 idea that you're gonna be instantaneously successful. It really doesn't 0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:25.160 happen like that for most people in comedy. No, it 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.600 doesn't happen. It takes them all. I mean Burr Louis 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:33.239 c k Uh, you know some guys. You know, I 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:35.000 think a lot of times it's either people make it 0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:38.120 like very young or like they're forty, and like that's 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:40.080 when they that's just what it happens. That's when they 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.200 make it. Like so, you know, I remember Bird tell 0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:45.440 me something a long time ago, like he has some advice, 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:49.320 Like he was like he saw me and uh, this 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:50.880 is one of the first times he saw me do 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:54.120 stand up. This is like, you know, I'm prinds of 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.080 burn now, Like but like this is a longer where's 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:58.600 a big deal When he like knew my name and 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:01.359 you're like you can't believe you know he knows you. Uh, 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:03.640 and everybody's like just keep doing it means they look 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.360 it takes us. Is it takes comics like us a 0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:09.480 lot longer, but you, when you get fans, you get 0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:13.240 them for life. And it was just like that advice 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:16.000 of just like, yeah, you gotta keep doing this, but 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:18.680 when you get new fans, they will stay with you. 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:21.040 Like you're not You're not a flash in the pan. 0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.640 You're not getting people that are not invested in you. 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:27.480 You're getting fans people that are discovering you. And then 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:30.520 like I know it now when my on my show, 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:32.200 my live show, I say that there's a lot of 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:33.960 right when I started, I look, there's a lot of 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:35.880 pressure on me for this show to be good. I 0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:37.400 know there's a lot of pressure on a lot of 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:39.400 you because I know a lot of people introduce my 0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:42.240 comedy to their friends and bring them to the shows. 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:44.600 So this needs to go as good as for you 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:46.920 as it is it does for me. Are you never 0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:51.279 going to suggest anything in that friendship ever? Yet? And 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:53.640 then yeah, I say you. I was like they're really like, 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:55.640 oh you heard about a new restaurant, and like as 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.279 that neapor gets too good, I think we'll pass. Uh. 0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:00.920 So it's like that's you know, but it's like I 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:04.000 know that these people are invested, Like so when they 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.920 come and they're fans of you. Like there there's a 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:09.200 lot of them have been. I mean, I've got some 0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:11.560 people that have been there since two thousand and eight 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:13.880 and like they saw me alive a Gotham and then 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.240 they you know, and then it slowly just gets bigger 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:18.719 and bigger, and you just get people that like, you know, 0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:20.239 how do you I mean you probably know, like you 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:23.160 get fans, you know when sometimes when your fans become 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.520 your friends, because like you can't believe that somebody even 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:27.640 likes what you do. And then you end up like 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:30.239 talking to these people like you're like, oh, now I 0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:33.200 like know them, like because they were they talked to 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:36.320 me when nobody knew who I was. And then you 0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:39.920 end up like just kind of knowing them in your life. Um. 0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:42.640 So it's like you just you know, you slowly just 0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:46.440 get these people and they become way more invested because 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.760 you're not you know, Seinfeld, You're not like a Walmart 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:53.719 or a Target. You're not just this gigantic thing You're 0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:56.760 you know, it's I don't know, people are really rooting 0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:59.080 for you. And that's what I've learned is that you 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:03.040 want you want people of the root for you and 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.560 so as people are rooting for you, you also then 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:09.680 have some awful I'm sure times. Like I I talked 0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:12.359 about from a writing perspective, the worst thing that can 0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:14.200 happen to you for a writer is you have a 0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:16.840 book signing and nobody shows up right. And I think 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:20.000 every single writer has had that opportunity happen right where 0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:22.360 you show up and you know you do like I 0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:24.440 tell this, and I've talked about it before, like I 0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:27.080 had when I did dixieland Delight, my first book, I 0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:29.160 drove down to Birmingham. I had a signing at Books 0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:33.040 a Million on the north side of Birmingham and I 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:35.600 showed up there and not one person bought a book 0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:38.640 and not one person showed up right. And I I 0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:42.960 love that. I would I would have paid good money 0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.800 to just sit and want you sit there for two 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:48.680 hours at a Birmingham area. I mean I did a 0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:54.200 book signing. Everybody, Yeah they're like and and by the way, 0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:57.840 I wrote a book about SEC football in Birmingham, which 0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:02.040 is like the most hardcore market imaginable right for college football. 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:03.880 It's not like I was trying to sell, you know, 0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.440 like something that the market had no interest in. And 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:09.400 I did like book signings at dead at Walmart, like 0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:11.960 not even I tell people, not even the good Walmart. 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.040 Like there's good Walmarts if you if you are you 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.720 know your neighborhoods, like there's like, oh, that's the good Walmart, 0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:20.200 right like I did. I did bad Walmarts and Knoxville 0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:22.280 and you know, like there's just like fat people with 0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:24.760 you know, carts full of diet dr pepper and you're like, hey, 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.040 you interest didn't read you know, a book too, and 0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:28.600 you're I mean you're there for like an hour. You 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:30.600 don't want to leave because like you know, I I 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:33.040 don't want to look like a diva. But you're just like, 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:34.920 I mean, this is a long time to be here, right, 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:38.320 And so I'm sure for comedians you guys all have 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:41.000 experiences like that too, right where you show up and 0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:43.680 like there's nobody there or there's one or two people 0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:45.520 and you're like you just want to sit at the table. 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.360 I'll tell you my routine, you know, like, well you 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:52.200 have a beat. I had the hairline Carolines on Broadway. 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:55.000 They were doing my first headlining thing. They gave me 0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:57.760 they would do these like uh, they would give like 0:58:58.160 --> 0:58:59.920 the New York comics, like the guys that were kind 0:58:59.960 --> 0:59:01.880 of coming up. They give us like a Wednesday night 0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:04.760 and it'd be like, we get a headline, Ney Bar 0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:08.560 gets I get a poster outside of Carolines on Broadway Club. 0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:11.320 Huge deal, and you're like, I can't believe this is happening. 0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:15.120 And so I go downstairs and they they told me 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:17.440 and the audience that they don't have enough people and 0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:19.880 canceled the show. They told us all together, and I 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:22.120 was just in the bar and they're like, there's no 0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:25.919 show and I just have to walk out with these people. Um, 0:59:26.600 --> 0:59:28.800 so you're yeah, you would get I mean, I mean 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:31.760 I would said I performed for one guy once. Uh 0:59:32.200 --> 0:59:34.520 he wouldn't leave and I asked him to leave in 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:38.320 the microphone and he said no. And then uh, you 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:40.880 would get two people, three people, four. I mean at 0:59:40.920 --> 0:59:44.760 the beginning, you're I mean six, You were like, this 0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:48.080 is all starting to come together. It's happening. Uh. It 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:50.880 was unbelievable. And that that's why New York comics are 0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:54.280 the best, because you have I mean it's a hard 0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:58.080 three to four years of just you know, because because 0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:00.800 when they would run shows, they you would run a 1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:03.880 show like you just be in a basement and it'd 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:05.960 be like eight o'clock and if you've got two people 1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:08.640 to go down there, be free. And if you've got 1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:11.840 two people to go down there, and then someone would 1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:14.200 be like, hey, they're about to leave, and then you're like, well, 1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:16.720 then someone's got to go up and though someone would 1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:18.840 go on stage for those two people, and then you 1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:21.320 would other people be out front trying to get more 1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:23.480 people down there. You're just trying to get something started 1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:26.440 so we can get a show. So yeah, you're regularly 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.600 performing in front of I mean, and you do gigs 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:32.320 like where you would uh I mean you you'd be 1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:34.439 at a sports bar and they would like, not cut 1:00:34.480 --> 1:00:37.480 the TVs off, and you would, you know, just the 1:00:37.560 --> 1:00:39.560 TVs are on like over your head and people don't 1:00:39.600 --> 1:00:42.880 even know what show is happening. Uh, I mean this 1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:45.760 is and it's just the norm. Like you just get 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:47.240 there and then they tell you like, I don't know, 1:00:47.360 --> 1:00:49.760 last week was packed, I don't know what happened this week. 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:52.200 They always tell you that it happened the week before 1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:53.800 it was like the greatest show they've ever had, and 1:00:53.880 --> 1:00:56.000 now it's the worst show. I remember doing the show 1:00:56.120 --> 1:00:59.480 once at some Italian restaurant and the stage was in 1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:03.520 the middle behind the bar. But when you stood up, uh, 1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:05.880 no one could see you because of the wine glasses, 1:01:05.960 --> 1:01:07.919 so no one could do your head. So you would 1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:09.959 have to just like you would have to there's no chair, 1:01:10.600 --> 1:01:13.320 you have to like just bend over and like talk 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:15.880 to this crowd that you know, and no one's invested. 1:01:16.880 --> 1:01:19.600 One show was in the people were in two different 1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:22.360 rooms and you just stood in the middle so they couldn't. 1:01:22.440 --> 1:01:24.320 But like when you're doing that, it feels like you're 1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:27.240 performing for your two different audiences. No one's laughing at 1:01:27.280 --> 1:01:30.840 the same time. It's very weird. And you just and 1:01:31.040 --> 1:01:32.960 I mean you do that all the time, and like 1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:35.680 you would do it for like free food, like they're 1:01:35.720 --> 1:01:37.560 like we're gonna pay, We're gonna be a free food 1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:40.760 and you drive out there, uh you know and spend 1:01:40.760 --> 1:01:43.280 all this gas money or whatever you're spending. You're just 1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:46.680 making no money. I just remember it was like that's 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:48.640 why the one thing good comments It was never about 1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:50.960 the money for me, because if it was, I would 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:53.280 have never made it to this point because you just 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:55.120 can't have it be about the money at the beginning, 1:01:55.400 --> 1:01:58.560 because you're gonna lose money. You're gonna just lose a 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:01.439 ton of money. So if you not taking gigs because 1:02:01.480 --> 1:02:04.320 of money, then you're not getting up enough. So I 1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:07.160 just remembered, like, you know, you would get paid twenty 1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:10.240 dollars if someone didn't pay me. I would just remember 1:02:10.280 --> 1:02:14.160 thinking like this, if this twenty matters to me this much, 1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:17.680 like I'm doing something I shouldn't even be doing this, 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:20.240 like if I'm like, dude, I need this twenty dollar. 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:24.479 Like you just keep a day job until you don't 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:27.360 have to. That's basically all you do. So how close 1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:29.840 did you ever come to quitting? How many were there 1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:32.040 times you were like this is just not gonna happen 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:34.720 for me, or at least maybe not quitting, but like, 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:36.880 I've got to focus on something else. I gotta have 1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:40.720 a different career goal. The only I never I never 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:43.720 thought I was gonna quit. I remember my wife when 1:02:43.760 --> 1:02:45.800 we only had one conversation, she was like how much 1:02:46.240 --> 1:02:48.200 She's like, how long would you do this? If before 1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:52.120 it worked? Because it is it's five, seven, eight, nine years, 1:02:52.560 --> 1:02:56.320 you're not making any money. Uh, And I mean I've 1:02:56.440 --> 1:02:58.120 I told her. I was like, I'm not gonna quit. 1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:00.920 I was like I was like, I'm gonna do this forever, 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:04.000 so you know about very That's what I was telling 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:06.480 young comedians. If you have a girlfriend or a boyfriend, 1:03:06.880 --> 1:03:09.200 if someone's like, you know, how long are you gonna 1:03:09.240 --> 1:03:11.040 do it? Like you know, you need to be like, look, 1:03:11.120 --> 1:03:13.040 this is what's happening, so either on board or you 1:03:13.120 --> 1:03:15.840 can leave. But like, I'm not quitting this for you, like, 1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:18.960 and you have to dive in that much and you 1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:20.680 have to be like that up front about it. You 1:03:20.760 --> 1:03:22.760 just have to trade up, you know. When God, I 1:03:22.920 --> 1:03:26.920 just so many dudes, uh, they getting relationships and they're like, 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:29.280 my girl wants me to hang out on Monday, you know, 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:31.720 And it was like ridiculous to me that he was 1:03:31.760 --> 1:03:34.400 like what are you talking about? Like you don't you 1:03:35.000 --> 1:03:37.120 don't like, you know, sit there and be like, oh 1:03:37.920 --> 1:03:39.680 oh oh that's cool. So you can't go out of 1:03:39.760 --> 1:03:41.959 the show on Monday because your girl wants to watch 1:03:42.600 --> 1:03:45.680 the Bachelor or something like. You're like, it's insanity, Like 1:03:45.800 --> 1:03:48.240 you have to go out, So you have to just 1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:51.080 always like do that. The only time I would the 1:03:51.200 --> 1:03:53.080 only thing I would have done that was crazy. My buddy, 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:56.720 I remember, for money, he went to this was in 1:03:56.920 --> 1:03:59.200 like to only say, two thousand and eight was my year. 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:02.960 That was good. Uh. He went to Iraq and did 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:05.440 like he was a contractor where you would like he 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:09.680 worked in like the Camp Liberty or something, and they 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:11.840 were just like checking people in and out. And it 1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:13.520 was like one of these gigs that you go over 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:15.240 there for like eight months and you can make like 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:18.040 a hundred grand or something, but I don't remember what 1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:20.640 it was because something like that, and they just you 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:22.160 go work there, but and then you come back. And 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:24.800 I almost did that because I thought if I could 1:04:24.840 --> 1:04:28.360 go there for eight months make a hundred thousand dollars, 1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:30.760 I could come back and then I wouldn't have to 1:04:31.040 --> 1:04:34.360 have a day job and I'll just you know. But 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.240 I ended up not doing it, uh, which I'm glad 1:04:37.280 --> 1:04:39.080 I didn't, because you know, you don't need to take 1:04:39.120 --> 1:04:43.040 yourself out of something too when you're in it. That 1:04:43.120 --> 1:04:45.400 was the only time I ever did something. When did 1:04:45.480 --> 1:04:47.960 you file taxes and you were like, wow, I had 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:50.280 a really good year. Was there a dollar figure as 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:54.120 a comedian or you're like, boom, check this out. I 1:04:54.160 --> 1:04:58.120 remember making fifty was fifty was a big number. And uh, 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:01.800 I remember twenty two. I remember like twenty, I remember twenty, 1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:04.800 I remember fifty. Then it's like sixty, you know, and 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:06.400 then like you know, and then you get the point 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:08.120 when you I mean like you know, not talking all 1:05:08.120 --> 1:05:10.080 about like when you get to you do an LLC, 1:05:10.360 --> 1:05:12.520 Like when you get to that, and then you're like 1:05:12.600 --> 1:05:15.560 that's insane, like you think you all you want is 1:05:15.640 --> 1:05:17.080 like you're like, I just want to get like I 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:19.160 gonna make up a name that people have to write 1:05:19.200 --> 1:05:22.120 these checks to me, and like you know, and so 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:23.560 you get to that point where you do it, so 1:05:23.600 --> 1:05:25.760 it all just starts getting like where it gets more 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:27.640 and more and then you have no concept of like 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:30.000 I have no you know, money, Like I have no 1:05:30.080 --> 1:05:32.600 concept of any of this money like or like how 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:36.840 what to do like or anything. So it's all like new. Uh. 1:05:37.360 --> 1:05:39.680 But it's like, yeah, I would say it was like fifty. 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:42.360 I remember making fifty and then sixty, you know, and 1:05:42.400 --> 1:05:44.240 then get into like sixty and I always just maybe 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:47.240 these jumps and then you know where you're like, oh man, 1:05:47.280 --> 1:05:49.520 I have like a regular job, Like you're like you know, 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:52.240 you can go eat, you take a cab home instead 1:05:52.240 --> 1:05:55.760 of taking the train. Uh, And then you know and 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:58.480 then it all just kind of keeps you hope, it 1:05:58.600 --> 1:06:00.960 just keeps building from there like a hundred You're like, 1:06:01.040 --> 1:06:05.360 oh my god, this is like the richest person alive. Uh. 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:08.840 You know if many earned, how many days a year 1:06:08.880 --> 1:06:14.000 are you on the road as your career starts developing? Now? 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:15.800 When I was in New York, I stayed in New 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:20.120 York and then I moved to l A. Uh, I 1:06:20.200 --> 1:06:22.320 moved on like this out of the money. This is 1:06:22.360 --> 1:06:26.720 my advice, the best advice I've ever read. Jerry Wintrob 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:29.480 had a great book. He was Elvis's manager and then 1:06:29.520 --> 1:06:32.800 became a big producer, produced Ocean's eleven, all this stuff. 1:06:33.160 --> 1:06:36.680 He's a great book. And Uh, the best advice that 1:06:36.800 --> 1:06:40.000 I've ever heard was he I remember in his book 1:06:40.040 --> 1:06:42.200 he said he knew any time he was starting to 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:44.800 feel comfortable, it was time to make a change. And 1:06:44.960 --> 1:06:47.600 I have like lived my life by that. When I 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:50.040 heard that, I moved to Los Angeles two months after 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:53.520 I read that, because I knew that I was comfortable. 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:55.120 I knew like I was in New York, I was 1:06:55.160 --> 1:06:57.280 getting up at all the clubs. I was not like 1:06:57.520 --> 1:07:00.360 chasing anything in New York anymore. I was in late 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:03.640 night spots. You know, I could be making like I 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:05.880 was making probably like the round sixty grand a year 1:07:05.960 --> 1:07:07.880 or something like that, you know, where You're like, all right, 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:09.919 I got a living in all this, and I knew 1:07:10.080 --> 1:07:13.240 that if I stay here, next thing, I know, I 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:16.920 will be fifty calling in you know, calling in a vails, 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:19.400 you know, trying to make a thousand dollars a week 1:07:19.440 --> 1:07:23.680 if I'm lucky, and uh so I knew at that point, 1:07:23.840 --> 1:07:25.120 I was like, I need to go to afenses and 1:07:25.160 --> 1:07:27.400 put myself in a situation that I'm not comfortable with 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:31.080 that that then is going to make me like, you know, 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.840 have to like work like now now, you know, Like 1:07:34.280 --> 1:07:36.280 there I was like settled. I was like I went 1:07:36.360 --> 1:07:38.720 up every single night. I wasn't fighting for these spots. 1:07:38.760 --> 1:07:40.880 I wasn't having to hang out. And then I moved 1:07:40.880 --> 1:07:43.440 to l A and then nobody knows me and I'm 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:46.040 back to you know, you're not at square one, but 1:07:46.160 --> 1:07:49.240 you're you're you're starting your lower than what you just 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:52.080 left from. And then you're you know, you gotta go back. 1:07:52.520 --> 1:07:54.480 Well and what was the other thing that's you said? 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:57.000 What you said? Other than that, I don't even remember 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.080 now because I got so the idea of once you 1:07:59.120 --> 1:08:02.240 get comfortable, you gotta you gotta shake yourself off. It's 1:08:02.440 --> 1:08:05.240 it's the best of advice I've ever heard. Man. Once 1:08:05.320 --> 1:08:08.600 you I mean it's true literally and everything that uh 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:12.480 I've ever done. If I start feel uncomfortable, I I 1:08:12.640 --> 1:08:15.520 mix it up and you do that until you're you know, 1:08:15.960 --> 1:08:18.599 I mean, you really should never be comfortable. You should 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:22.000 always be like and like always like, oh, I need 1:08:22.080 --> 1:08:24.920 to go to another thing and I come to you know, 1:08:25.760 --> 1:08:27.720 I mean I'm starting to tour now, and like so 1:08:28.000 --> 1:08:31.240 now these people are coming and then you know, then 1:08:31.280 --> 1:08:32.840 we you know, it was like doing this show that 1:08:32.960 --> 1:08:35.280 I just did, that TV show, like doing that that 1:08:35.400 --> 1:08:37.200 was like a very thing that was uncomfortable, that made 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:39.400 me uncomfortable, and like, you know, we talked that. We 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:44.800 talked about that. Yeah. Yeah, alright. So so first of all, um, 1:08:45.120 --> 1:08:47.720 when did we I came and watched your act And 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:49.479 I'm trying to think of when it was. I think 1:08:49.520 --> 1:08:52.160 we had you on the radio show that I did 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:55.120 in Nashville, right a couple of times back in the day, uh, 1:08:55.920 --> 1:08:57.840 back in the day one or four five, you came 1:08:57.880 --> 1:09:02.080 with me to uh to third Man Records at the 1:09:02.240 --> 1:09:07.280 UFC Nashville event. That's right. I was town and uh, 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:09.720 I saw my wife and I were out and we 1:09:09.880 --> 1:09:12.080 were like we were trying to decide what we were 1:09:12.120 --> 1:09:15.920 going to do, and we just in the fight. Yeah yeah, 1:09:16.000 --> 1:09:17.599 and I said, hey, we're going to do a show. 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:20.840 We were doing a recording at Third Man Records, and 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:22.240 so I was like, we're going over there. We took 1:09:22.280 --> 1:09:28.559 a golf cart and drove over and you you absolutely 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:30.640 killed it. You were telling the story about going to 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:35.960 the North Carolina like the Guse or whatever. Yes, uh, 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:38.519 and you know like you absolutely killed it. Like, I mean, 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:40.639 that's the tiny I don't know what a hundred people 1:09:40.680 --> 1:09:42.960 there maybe in Third Man Records, like in their back room, 1:09:44.520 --> 1:09:47.759 which is really cool. And so we saw that in person, 1:09:48.240 --> 1:09:50.120 and then we stayed in touch for a little while, 1:09:50.400 --> 1:09:52.360 you know, texting back and forth and everything else. Because 1:09:52.360 --> 1:09:53.880 you're a big we haven't even mentioned this, but you're 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:56.599 a huge Vanderbilt sports fan, right, I mean, for people 1:09:56.600 --> 1:09:59.439 out there, I don't know, like, how big of a 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:03.640 Vanderbilt fan are you. I grew up and watching my 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:06.519 cousin Ronnie Bargetti coach at Vanderbilt in the basketball in 1:10:06.560 --> 1:10:10.160 the seventies and uh and then was the color commentator forever. 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:13.280 So we just grew up around Vanderbilt and my mom 1:10:13.320 --> 1:10:16.320 works in a ticket office and uh, I've been my 1:10:16.640 --> 1:10:19.320 vall State. My one experience. The one thing I did 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:23.480 good at vall State. I gave a speech about Vanderbilt's 1:10:23.600 --> 1:10:29.160 uh nineteen nineties six football season where we uh we 1:10:29.280 --> 1:10:31.640 won five games, and I had and I had a 1:10:32.160 --> 1:10:35.840 highlight reel of those games and it was uh and 1:10:35.960 --> 1:10:38.200 I just talked I knew every player, my favorite player 1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:42.240 of Vanderbilts, Corey Chavis and uh and then so every 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:44.800 I knew every player at that point, and I'm like 1:10:44.920 --> 1:10:47.040 just talking about Vanderbilt, and I just remember I was 1:10:47.080 --> 1:10:49.439 like very passionate about it. And it's like something I 1:10:49.520 --> 1:10:52.000 think back now with comedy, like you learned that, like, oh, 1:10:52.080 --> 1:10:54.479 when you're really passionate, like then that's when people want 1:10:54.520 --> 1:10:56.479 to hear because they're like, this dude's way into this. 1:10:56.600 --> 1:10:58.960 So like I would listen to you listen to anybody 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:02.320 if they care and uh, and so like I remember 1:11:02.360 --> 1:11:04.320 just giving this speech, I showed like some of the 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:06.800 highlight thing and then then it showed up to that 1:11:07.000 --> 1:11:09.120 LSU game where we got that was the year the 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:12.400 land l Shoe where we had two delay of game 1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:15.000 penalties trying to go for two and then we got 1:11:15.040 --> 1:11:17.960 an extra point blocked and lost the l S which is, 1:11:18.000 --> 1:11:20.960 by the way, the story of Vanderbilt football in a nutshell. 1:11:21.479 --> 1:11:26.360 That was actually good Tennessee Tennessee for Yeah. Remember, I 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:28.560 mean I've watched all these games over the years. I 1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:32.040 mean we're the same fun, have fun, expect to win. Yeah, 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:37.760 that was very Logan's fun. And then, by the way, 1:11:37.760 --> 1:11:41.160 Wood he wouldn't offer, ended up working as a as 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:43.519 I hope he's still alive, but he was working on 1:11:43.720 --> 1:11:46.280 the destined toll bridge in Florida. Do you remember that? 1:11:47.520 --> 1:11:52.640 Oh wow, you know what that does? Sounding my co 1:11:52.800 --> 1:11:54.519 host on three h L back in the day, we 1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:57.400 were going down to do the SEC spring meetings and 1:11:57.640 --> 1:12:00.720 he's like, he's Brent Doherty and he's like uh and 1:12:00.800 --> 1:12:03.719 he he we we we met up and he was like, dude, 1:12:03.760 --> 1:12:06.360 you're not gonna believe this. He's like, I just like, 1:12:06.560 --> 1:12:09.160 I just drove over the toll bridge and I looked down. 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:11.040 The guy's got like a world, you know, like a 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:14.080 super Bowl ring and it's what he wouldn't offer who 1:12:14.240 --> 1:12:16.400 used to be the head coach of Vanderbilt and he's 1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:19.519 now working in the toll booth at Deston, Like, I mean, 1:12:19.880 --> 1:12:23.120 but have fun, expect to win. Uh you tell him 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:24.679 that that's what you should told him when you paid 1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:31.360 him to win. What an amazing Yeah, but there can't 1:12:31.400 --> 1:12:33.240 be anybody else who's ever won a Super Bowl that's 1:12:33.280 --> 1:12:35.080 worked at a toll booth before. But I mean literally 1:12:35.200 --> 1:12:37.559 had a Super Bowl ring on working in the toll 1:12:37.600 --> 1:12:43.280 booth one day sec I had SEC football coach. He 1:12:43.320 --> 1:12:45.479 was like, yeah, I just like this job. But so 1:12:45.760 --> 1:12:48.360 you go to like Memorial Jim, you would go to 1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:51.559 all these different Vanderbilt athletic events when you were a kid. 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:55.040 Yeah yeah we we Uh we used to be to 1:12:55.080 --> 1:12:57.280 go on Vanderbilt's football field like you could just walk 1:12:57.360 --> 1:13:00.439 on it. Yeah. I remember going on it and like 1:13:00.600 --> 1:13:03.840 playing football with like my parents. Yeah you know when 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:06.439 we were really young, like they never had it locked up. 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:08.439 Uh yeah, So I mean I would go. I mean 1:13:08.680 --> 1:13:12.120 he know was I was basketball Drew. You know, I'm 1:13:12.120 --> 1:13:15.080 a dreamatics around our age a little bit older, but like, uh, 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:17.720 you know, seeing all damn Ron Mercer when he was 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:20.000 going to maybe go to Andy. I asked him, Actually, 1:13:20.080 --> 1:13:22.400 I I golf with him, and I mean I told 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:25.960 my buddy, uh, when we were gonna get Adam saw 1:13:26.000 --> 1:13:28.599 another guy to play basketball Belmont and he I grew 1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:30.439 up with him, and so I told him, I go, 1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:34.000 how long do you think will it'll take? Before I 1:13:34.080 --> 1:13:36.120 asked Ron Mercer how close he was to go to 1:13:36.240 --> 1:13:39.040 Vandy and I didn't. I didn't make it off the range. 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:41.519 And I mean literally maybe the second sentence that to 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:43.240 the Ron Mercer was like, were you were you going 1:13:43.280 --> 1:13:45.880 to go to Vanderbilte And he said no, He said 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:49.479 he never was going to go to Vanderbille. Yeah. For 1:13:49.560 --> 1:13:52.400 people who don't know out there, Ron Mercer is one 1:13:52.439 --> 1:13:56.120 of the greatest UH Nashville area basketball players of all time. 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:58.759 And obviously he became a lottery pick, went to Kentucky, 1:13:58.840 --> 1:14:03.200 won a national championship up and Vanderbilt their board of 1:14:03.320 --> 1:14:06.920 admissions refused to admit him, and it was a huge 1:14:07.120 --> 1:14:09.920 story in Nashville, and the idea was, oh, he was 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:11.800 going to go there because he was friends with Drew 1:14:11.840 --> 1:14:14.400 Mott dramatics. They played together at a high school locally 1:14:14.439 --> 1:14:16.320 Good Past your high school and they were gonna go 1:14:16.360 --> 1:14:18.320 together and it was gonna be like the greatest tandem ever. 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:21.280 Vanderbilt basketball was gonna be incredibly relevant. And they didn't 1:14:21.320 --> 1:14:23.160 let him in. And so you asked him, I've never 1:14:23.200 --> 1:14:24.720 heard him like he said he was never gonna go. 1:14:25.640 --> 1:14:27.160 He said he never was going to go. I mean, 1:14:27.320 --> 1:14:31.439 maybe they didn't let him in, but like, uh, he said, 1:14:31.439 --> 1:14:34.840 he said he was never going to go. Yeah, I 1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:38.200 mean he was the top high school player the country. Like, 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:40.240 I mean, it was it was going to be very insane. 1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:43.960 It's like Darius Garland actually went to Vanderbilt, like you know, 1:14:44.000 --> 1:14:45.920 but he's he was that high of a level of 1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:48.760 a player, So it didn't make complete sense. I mean 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:51.760 I watched him play in high school and in high 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:54.200 school basketball, he was as good of a high school 1:14:54.200 --> 1:14:56.760 basketball player as you could possibly be. Like you went 1:14:56.840 --> 1:14:59.760 and watched him play, and it was like watching I'm 1:14:59.760 --> 1:15:01.720 trying to think of an equivalent outside of the world 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:04.200 of sports. I mean, he was Lebron for Nashville, right, 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:06.519 I mean, like that's how good he was in high school. 1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:08.439 You watched him, and even if you didn't know anything 1:15:08.479 --> 1:15:11.439 about basketball, somebody could watch for like five minutes and 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:13.320 be like, oh my god, that that guy is so 1:15:13.479 --> 1:15:17.519 much better than everybody else. Yeah. Um, and so you 1:15:17.600 --> 1:15:20.960 grew up a Vanderbilt fan. And so the reason why 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:22.960 bring up the Vanderbilt thing is I'm circling back around. 1:15:23.080 --> 1:15:26.559 So uh, when we were finishing Walking in season one, 1:15:27.120 --> 1:15:30.160 there is a hotel, the Intercontinental Hotel on Avenue with 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:32.840 the Stars in Los Angeles that overlooks the Fox lot. 1:15:33.680 --> 1:15:36.719 And so I was sitting at the bar they're talking 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:39.040 to I think the Fox bet people who are now 1:15:39.160 --> 1:15:42.000 you know, running the betting universe, and I see you 1:15:42.120 --> 1:15:44.000 walking in and you were checking in for how many 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:50.080 days at that hotel? You went went to the front 1:15:50.120 --> 1:15:52.559 desk because I've spent months at that hotel, maybe years 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:55.080 of my life now because working at Fox, like you're 1:15:55.160 --> 1:15:57.080 right there, you can just walk back and forth. And 1:15:57.240 --> 1:15:58.880 you checked in and they were like, oh, we got 1:15:58.960 --> 1:16:02.160 you here for fifty days, Mr Barghassi. Yeah, and the 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:05.679 lady says, the longest she's ever she's ever checked in, yeah, 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:11.240 because she's never seen that. Yeah, fifty days. So uh, 1:16:11.439 --> 1:16:13.439 and so like then we hang out for a little 1:16:13.439 --> 1:16:15.280 bit and I've stayed there so many times, Like I 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:16.599 was like, Hey, you need to check out the room 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:18.240 that I always stay in. It's got the sun deck. 1:16:18.360 --> 1:16:19.880 Like I'm giving you tips because you're gonna be there 1:16:19.880 --> 1:16:25.479 for fifty days. We leave, uh, finished shooting season one 1:16:25.760 --> 1:16:27.920 of Locking In. Then we get like six weeks off. 1:16:28.240 --> 1:16:31.040 We come back to start the second season, and you're 1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:34.320 still at the same hotel. And while you're there, you've 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:37.599 been doing this pilot, uh, the Nate Bargazzi show, which 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:40.120 they're filming on the Fox A lot. It's with Disney 1:16:40.120 --> 1:16:42.760 because Disney now controls a lot of the Fox A 1:16:42.800 --> 1:16:45.800 lot because of the asset purchase and everything else. And 1:16:45.920 --> 1:16:48.639 so you're like, hey, come by and check out the set. 1:16:49.040 --> 1:16:51.559 And I gotta say, the set is unbelievable. It's set 1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:54.720 at Nashville, and I mean there's a zany stage, but 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:57.919 all the details, like I was wown away. They basically 1:16:58.080 --> 1:17:01.479 built a Nashville house on its l a sound stage 1:17:01.720 --> 1:17:03.720 and we're walking around in all the details, like there's 1:17:03.720 --> 1:17:06.960 a flyer for Titans tickets, there's like the mayoral election 1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:09.680 was about to happen in Nashville. Like every detail is 1:17:09.760 --> 1:17:14.960 so incredible. I mean my mind was blown by it. Yeah, 1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:18.360 it was it's how much detail they you know, the 1:17:19.200 --> 1:17:22.800 people that put all that together. Uh, they're just it's 1:17:22.880 --> 1:17:25.240 like what they do and like, you know, I remember 1:17:25.280 --> 1:17:28.439 them talking to me about the house and like what 1:17:28.520 --> 1:17:30.320 do we want the house? Because the show is basically 1:17:30.360 --> 1:17:34.640 and everybody loves Raymond. Uh so it's like every you know, 1:17:35.000 --> 1:17:37.160 we have the parents and the parents on that Sevenie show. 1:17:37.720 --> 1:17:40.160 The wife is Katie Adeleton and she was on the league. 1:17:41.000 --> 1:17:43.360 Um and so like that they made us like when 1:17:43.400 --> 1:17:45.400 we were designing the house, it was like, how do 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:46.960 you want to design? Like, you know, what do you 1:17:47.120 --> 1:17:49.840 what's Nashville Like it's all this stuff that you You're like, well, 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:52.679 I don't know, I don't know you know what stands 1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:56.639 out you know? Uh, but you slowly starting. I remember, 1:17:56.680 --> 1:17:59.519 and I don't wanted an island, and I remember I 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:02.000 wanted to like the garage either to go everybody enters 1:18:02.040 --> 1:18:04.720 through the garage in Nashville, like are a lot of 1:18:04.760 --> 1:18:07.080 people you get your garage doors are open always and 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:11.880 uh they you know, just this incredible detail. The lighting 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:14.360 guy he grew up in the South, but he made 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:18.040 the light the lighting look like Nashville lighting where it's 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:21.120 humid and hot, and it's just like thicker, so like 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:24.320 the airs thicker. So the lighting, like the sunlight looks 1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:27.599 different than it would in California, So they may they 1:18:27.680 --> 1:18:31.920 make it all look like this crazy. Uh, they're just 1:18:32.240 --> 1:18:34.600 just such a different thing. And it feels like a 1:18:34.960 --> 1:18:36.920 you know, I mean it's a real home, you know. 1:18:38.320 --> 1:18:41.240 And so you're out there for all this time working 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:45.160 on this show and then you guys eventually do a 1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:49.720 version of the show, like you tape a pilot, and 1:18:50.120 --> 1:18:52.439 I mean it's amazing, like how detailed it is and 1:18:52.479 --> 1:18:54.679 how everything is put together, and has there been any 1:18:54.920 --> 1:18:56.960 like you're sitting around now waiting to hear have you 1:18:57.040 --> 1:18:59.040 heard of any verdict on what the pilot looks like? 1:18:59.240 --> 1:19:01.240 Or has it been flipped put four together yet? Yeah, 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:04.960 I've seen it. Uh, I've seen it. We're editing it 1:19:05.120 --> 1:19:07.680 and putting it all together now. So I watched it 1:19:07.760 --> 1:19:11.960 a few times and then uh, we're no. We turned 1:19:12.000 --> 1:19:15.759 it in shortly in uh week was two or something 1:19:15.840 --> 1:19:17.560 like that, and then we give it to ABC and 1:19:17.600 --> 1:19:20.040 then it's kind of out of our hands. So, uh, 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:24.360 it's twenty three minutes. How many hours do you think 1:19:24.439 --> 1:19:28.840 you worked to put together one three minute pilot. Boy, 1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:30.479 it was those fifth I mean it's every day you 1:19:30.560 --> 1:19:33.120 were doing something for those fifty days. I mean I've 1:19:33.160 --> 1:19:36.120 been you know, we started selling the show two years ago. 1:19:36.479 --> 1:19:38.080 So this show has been around for two years and 1:19:38.160 --> 1:19:41.280 has been told no twice. And then we got very 1:19:41.360 --> 1:19:45.600 stuck in the Fox Disney merger. Uh and because we 1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:48.320 were at Fox originally that we were at ABC and 1:19:48.640 --> 1:19:50.720 then they got told o it again, and then my 1:19:50.840 --> 1:19:53.759 special came out and like just some other stuff happened 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:56.639 and then they were like, oh, let's let's try it again. 1:19:57.200 --> 1:19:59.720 And so you're I mean you're working on it the 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:02.880 all time. It changes. I mean we had casting. Casting 1:20:02.960 --> 1:20:05.960 took like two months, um, and I'm then all the 1:20:06.040 --> 1:20:09.800 casting things, I'm like, you know, I'm who you're gonna get. Uh, 1:20:10.479 --> 1:20:12.880 it's every It's every single day of your life. You're 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:16.360 just like just absorbing and taking all this stuff in. 1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:18.280 And then you start writing. I mean you're in the 1:20:18.360 --> 1:20:20.479 writer's room and you're in there for you know, you 1:20:20.520 --> 1:20:22.240 could be in there for ten hours and you're just 1:20:23.240 --> 1:20:25.240 you know, and you write a script. I mean, how 1:20:25.320 --> 1:20:28.439 many times you change the script is? That's the thing 1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:31.040 that I'm most like always blown away because when you 1:20:31.120 --> 1:20:34.840 first write it, you think like, this is it, you know, 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:37.519 like Seinfeld, like when George stands is like, this isn't 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:40.160 the show. So that's how you feel. Like you're just 1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:43.080 like this is it. It's perfect, and then it just 1:20:43.439 --> 1:20:48.280 changes to thirty times and you're blown away, you know, 1:20:48.320 --> 1:20:50.360 because you think it's good. And then the next day 1:20:50.400 --> 1:20:52.840 you're like this is maybe the one. This is unwatchable, 1:20:54.160 --> 1:20:56.760 and then you you just go through these big extremes 1:20:57.200 --> 1:20:59.120 and like you know, as a comedian, you want to 1:20:59.160 --> 1:21:01.720 put in jokes, but jokes just don't matter if they 1:21:01.720 --> 1:21:04.880 don't matter at the beginning, like the story really matters. Uh, 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:07.760 So you and the jokes, I mean the jokes like 1:21:07.840 --> 1:21:10.120 you're and then when we tape, because we do it 1:21:10.120 --> 1:21:12.519 in front of a live audience. The night we taped, 1:21:12.920 --> 1:21:15.200 I mean, you're getting they're giving you jokes and then 1:21:15.720 --> 1:21:18.479 like if a joke doesn't really land, uh, then they 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:20.560 come and say, like we'll say this now, and you 1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:22.639 change it up, and like you just kind of change 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:24.920 it up on the fly, and uh, you know, and 1:21:24.920 --> 1:21:28.000 I've never done acting and this so I mean I 1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:30.080 was like I was doing meeting with an acting coach 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:32.760 like you know, four to ten hours a week whatever 1:21:32.840 --> 1:21:35.759 I could do, and we would just like work on stuff. 1:21:36.520 --> 1:21:40.120 I had a dialect coach there, uh because you know 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:42.760 with Southern people like I, I don't we don't say 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:48.840 words correctly. I really don't and I mumble, so you know, 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:50.880 they he would like work with me, so they like 1:21:51.000 --> 1:21:53.240 how to say something like like well, like I was like, 1:21:54.000 --> 1:21:55.920 if you say we will be right back, We're like, 1:21:56.040 --> 1:21:58.880 we'll be right back. And we tend to like throw 1:21:58.920 --> 1:22:00.840 an R in there because of the South doesn't really 1:22:00.920 --> 1:22:04.240 like use their jaw, and so we would spell it 1:22:04.320 --> 1:22:07.920 on my script W I L L and I would 1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:09.760 just say we'll be right back, and if I said 1:22:09.800 --> 1:22:12.800 it like that, it sounded correctly. So we would go 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:16.040 through and like you know, put those just to make 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:18.840 sure I'm saying because I'm not trying to get rid 1:22:18.880 --> 1:22:21.200 of my accent, but you know some stuff that like 1:22:21.560 --> 1:22:23.599 no one knows what you're saying, dude, like no one 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:26.680 can understand it. And uh so yeah, it was I 1:22:26.680 --> 1:22:28.360 mean it was every day. It was like you'd go 1:22:28.439 --> 1:22:30.639 in at like seven in the morning and I would 1:22:30.720 --> 1:22:33.320 go back to hotel one in the morning, and you 1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:35.800 just did that for a week because I was writing too. 1:22:36.280 --> 1:22:39.040 If you're acting, you're usually done about four and then 1:22:39.040 --> 1:22:42.720 you go back the next day. So like, I mean, 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:47.400 it's basically like, uh, I don't know, show production boot camp. 1:22:47.479 --> 1:22:48.920 I mean, is that a good way to describe it. 1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:51.240 I mean, because you're you're basically just going back and 1:22:51.320 --> 1:22:53.479 forth the whole time, and you're putting in these hundreds 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:56.200 of hours and then you'll put together a finished product 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:58.240 and then if they say yes, boom, you gotta do 1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:02.639 how many shows? Like you just mean? I mean that's yeah, 1:23:02.680 --> 1:23:06.360 you do. I mean it could be three the sixteen 1:23:06.560 --> 1:23:09.840 thirties probably the most. And then uh so you just 1:23:09.880 --> 1:23:11.920 see what they want to order. I mean, there's so 1:23:12.040 --> 1:23:13.760 much of it plays to like where you would be, 1:23:13.960 --> 1:23:18.439 where you would be placed on in the an ABC's lineup. Um, 1:23:18.960 --> 1:23:22.080 there's a million different ways that different directions of this 1:23:22.200 --> 1:23:23.960 can go. But yeah, you learn a lot of stuff. 1:23:23.960 --> 1:23:26.439 I mean, like I learned, you know, like the TV 1:23:26.720 --> 1:23:29.479 just learned. How like specific I mean, you gotta be 1:23:29.520 --> 1:23:31.920 careful when you say stuff, because I would say if 1:23:31.960 --> 1:23:35.080 I said something, I said I wanted a refrigerator a 1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:38.960 certain way in the parents house, and then refrigerators there. 1:23:39.000 --> 1:23:41.320 Then you're like, I don't like the refrigerator. I wanted 1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:43.360 a different way. And then they're like, you know, but 1:23:43.640 --> 1:23:46.400 like if you just even say that in passing, they 1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:49.880 like someone's doing it. And then you're like, oh, I 1:23:49.960 --> 1:23:53.280 gotta make sure when I say something, I really want it, 1:23:53.760 --> 1:23:57.360 because like there's people here that will do that. They 1:23:57.439 --> 1:23:59.320 will get that, and they will get you whatever. You know, 1:23:59.720 --> 1:24:01.960 they're your job is to make sure that this house 1:24:02.640 --> 1:24:05.760 is believable. And you know, I mean they had newspapers 1:24:05.880 --> 1:24:10.000 from there. We're Williamson County or Davidson County newspapers. Yeah, 1:24:10.240 --> 1:24:13.200 like on the tables, so you would just know that, 1:24:14.080 --> 1:24:16.040 you know. So it just so everybody like gets in 1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:21.960 the mood of you know what the show is. You're 1:24:22.000 --> 1:24:24.920 also a really unassuming you know, like I would say, 1:24:25.040 --> 1:24:27.759 totally normal guy. I like to think that that also 1:24:27.960 --> 1:24:31.800 defines the way that I kind of carry myself. Right. Um. 1:24:31.920 --> 1:24:38.400 I think Nashville in some way, I don't. I think 1:24:38.479 --> 1:24:41.360 Nashville in some way maybe is I mean, you're born 1:24:41.400 --> 1:24:43.200 and raised here. I was too. I think maybe it's 1:24:43.240 --> 1:24:45.960 a city that doesn't really kind of it's it's I 1:24:46.000 --> 1:24:48.160 don't know, maybe it's different now for kids who are 1:24:48.160 --> 1:24:50.640 growing up now, But it seems like a city where, uh, 1:24:50.840 --> 1:24:53.000 you know, like putting on airs is not really a 1:24:53.080 --> 1:24:55.240 thing people do, And so I think it tends to 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:57.400 be a very normal, like middle of the road kind 1:24:57.439 --> 1:24:59.160 of place, at least in the era that we grew 1:24:59.280 --> 1:25:01.479 up in. And I know, when I walked on that 1:25:01.600 --> 1:25:04.519 Fox lot for the first time, I was like, holy hell, Like, 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:07.519 what in the world am I doing being here? And 1:25:07.600 --> 1:25:09.559 I'm on the Fox lot, you know, like doing our 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:13.000 television shows or whatever else. I can't even imagine when 1:25:13.040 --> 1:25:15.960 they build a version of the house that I live 1:25:16.040 --> 1:25:18.760 in in Nashville and the entire show is built around me, 1:25:19.120 --> 1:25:22.120 Like that has to just be a mind blowing experience, right, 1:25:22.200 --> 1:25:26.599 it can't possibly feel real? No, it doesn't. I mean 1:25:26.720 --> 1:25:31.920 like it feels. I mean, you know, yes, I try 1:25:31.960 --> 1:25:34.360 to ever make anything lost on me. I try to, 1:25:34.439 --> 1:25:37.800 uh you know, you just be nice to everybody and 1:25:38.080 --> 1:25:41.000 you appreciate it, and you you know, I mean you 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:43.240 just kind of like, yeah, you give off. I don't 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:45.120 want anybody to think that they can't come talk to me, like, 1:25:45.280 --> 1:25:47.640 you know, because in that world they can, Like that 1:25:47.720 --> 1:25:50.880 world they that it is called the Naparkes Show. So 1:25:51.640 --> 1:25:53.280 and you get it in this world where you're like, 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:55.800 I if I want an ice coffee in the morning, 1:25:56.280 --> 1:25:58.439 it's just there. When I get to like, I'm not 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:01.240 even as you know, like everything is like that. So 1:26:01.360 --> 1:26:04.680 you try to always like be very aware that this 1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:08.120 stuff is happening and like then also being very appreciative 1:26:08.600 --> 1:26:11.040 and make sure that you're like saying that stuff because 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:12.800 it is tough and there's a lot of stuff on 1:26:12.840 --> 1:26:15.000 your show. I mean, I mean I remember the night 1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:17.439 we take. I mean I almost cried before we take 1:26:17.680 --> 1:26:20.360 because it was so overwhelming, Like it was you know, 1:26:20.479 --> 1:26:23.439 I started and I wanted to be sign film and 1:26:23.479 --> 1:26:26.080 then now I'm doing this sitcom and then you're like, 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:28.880 it's happen. You know, it's here. It's taken sixteen years, 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:31.599 but it's happened. And then your name is on this thing. 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:33.599 You're like, you know, when you when you think about 1:26:33.640 --> 1:26:36.880 you like, if I'm the only person that can't leave 1:26:36.960 --> 1:26:40.640 this show, everybody else can leave, I'm the only if 1:26:40.760 --> 1:26:42.920 I stay, then we do this like I can't. You know, 1:26:43.000 --> 1:26:45.000 It's like I used to have a joke about quitting 1:26:45.240 --> 1:26:47.639 and staying in comedy. I was like, it's a weird 1:26:47.800 --> 1:26:50.080 job because there's no one. I don't have anybody quit too, 1:26:50.520 --> 1:26:52.800 Like I'm you know, I can't call Signfeld and be 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:55.840 like I'm out, Like there's nobody to quit too. And 1:26:55.920 --> 1:26:58.400 so it's a very weird kind of thing. And then 1:26:58.479 --> 1:27:00.720 you're doing this job now where you're like if I quit, 1:27:01.479 --> 1:27:04.760 all these people like don't work here now and they 1:27:04.800 --> 1:27:06.920 have to go find different jobs and they have to 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:10.280 go do different things. Uh so he yeah, it was, 1:27:10.760 --> 1:27:14.479 it was. It was wild, and but you also got 1:27:14.560 --> 1:27:16.960 to do a good product. You gotta do a good thing. 1:27:17.280 --> 1:27:19.360 I mean, the best way that I feel like we're 1:27:19.400 --> 1:27:21.840 doing this show is you always want to go like, 1:27:21.960 --> 1:27:23.519 this show would change my life if it goes, it 1:27:23.560 --> 1:27:26.840 would change about what life wildly. But that being said, 1:27:27.320 --> 1:27:29.840 if I didn't have this show, I'm gonna be fine too, 1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:32.240 Like you always want to get to that point to 1:27:32.320 --> 1:27:34.600 where you go you want to almost when you do 1:27:34.680 --> 1:27:36.360 a show you want to like is then you can 1:27:36.560 --> 1:27:38.880 work on it being like, hey, I don't need this 1:27:38.960 --> 1:27:41.920 show and like and it is, I think it gives 1:27:41.960 --> 1:27:44.479 a better product instead of being like please let me 1:27:44.800 --> 1:27:47.320 I need this show so bad, Like you know that 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:49.759 was like when you're doing spots when you're making twenty dollars. 1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:51.960 I never wanted to be like I have to have 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:53.880 this twenty dollars and I'm not going to eat tonight 1:27:54.280 --> 1:27:56.160 like you just you know you. I'd have a day job. 1:27:56.200 --> 1:27:58.200 I would figure a way out. But like to do 1:27:58.320 --> 1:27:59.640 in this show is that you'd like to get to 1:27:59.680 --> 1:28:02.680 a point we're like, look, I don't need this if this. 1:28:02.880 --> 1:28:05.280 If this doesn't go like, I'm gonna be fine. I'll 1:28:05.360 --> 1:28:08.120 keep doing my stand up. That being said, I want 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:10.439 this show to go more than anything. Yeah, I I 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:13.720 absolutely do. But it's nice to be able to do 1:28:13.880 --> 1:28:17.240 it and not have the weight of my life depending 1:28:17.600 --> 1:28:21.439 on this show. I get it completely now. Um. And 1:28:22.000 --> 1:28:25.000 it's also wild to be when when you guys turn 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:27.600 it in to be at the beck and call of 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:29.960 your phone when you don't know when you're gonna get 1:28:30.000 --> 1:28:33.120 the word right, Like I remember before Locking got picked 1:28:33.200 --> 1:28:35.599 up right, I did a bunch of pilots with Fox 1:28:35.720 --> 1:28:39.320 on the Fox Sports a lot, and you don't necessarily 1:28:39.439 --> 1:28:41.639 know what's going to happen. I did two different OutKick 1:28:41.720 --> 1:28:44.320 shows and you do it, you think you put a 1:28:44.360 --> 1:28:47.120 good product out there, and then things can change. Like, right, 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:48.920 you mentioned that you got caught up in the Fox 1:28:49.040 --> 1:28:52.280 Disney uh you know interlude. Well, you know, they changed 1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:55.040 the leadership of Fox Sports, and so there's different people 1:28:55.120 --> 1:28:57.800 making decisions, and you know, it's like it's like being 1:28:57.880 --> 1:29:00.439 a player on a on a franchise, right, the coach 1:29:00.640 --> 1:29:02.559 likes you, the coach is gonna be able to maybe 1:29:02.600 --> 1:29:05.040 build around you and like they create a system for 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:07.519 you and everything else. Or you're just some other guy, 1:29:07.640 --> 1:29:09.840 you know, another recruit and they're like, yeah, I don't 1:29:09.840 --> 1:29:11.519 really think this guy is gonna execute my game plan 1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:14.280 that well. And so but when you're waiting on that stuff, 1:29:14.479 --> 1:29:16.920 it's like every time your phone buzzes you like skip 1:29:17.040 --> 1:29:19.320 over right, You're like, oh my god, is this what's 1:29:19.320 --> 1:29:22.599 the new? We're going to get a three window? You're like, oh, somebody, 1:29:22.600 --> 1:29:26.280 and Beverly, who is this gonna be? Is this gonna 1:29:26.280 --> 1:29:29.200 be it? Um? And so it's it's a crazy process 1:29:29.240 --> 1:29:30.760 to be in, but it's a good spot to be 1:29:30.840 --> 1:29:33.439 in where you're like, if it happens, that's awesome. I 1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:35.280 want it to happen more than anything. But if it 1:29:35.360 --> 1:29:39.680 doesn't happen, my world's not gonna end. Yes, it's that, 1:29:39.840 --> 1:29:41.040 and that's what you want to do. Do you want 1:29:41.040 --> 1:29:43.320 to you want to build yourself up to be like 1:29:43.400 --> 1:29:45.320 you always want to be in control, especially in something 1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:49.120 like this, uh, like something that's not the norm. Uh 1:29:49.920 --> 1:29:52.040 maybe even it is the norm. Yeah, it feels nice 1:29:52.080 --> 1:29:54.160 to be in control, to be like, all right, I've 1:29:54.200 --> 1:29:56.120 created this thing. That's why I'm staying up so good. 1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:58.160 That's why I'm so glad I'm not an actor. An 1:29:58.200 --> 1:30:02.760 actor's entire life is just waiting, just waiting to see 1:30:02.800 --> 1:30:05.680 if you get something. You're either you're either gonna make 1:30:05.920 --> 1:30:10.200 zero money or maybe ten million dollars, like it's you know, 1:30:10.280 --> 1:30:12.439 it's like you and you're just always waiting for that 1:30:12.640 --> 1:30:16.240 kind of like saying you're either not famous now you're 1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:18.800 Tom Cruise like you know, it's like and you're just 1:30:18.960 --> 1:30:21.240 always waiting. Like so I'm glad like to have that 1:30:21.400 --> 1:30:25.000 outlet to be with stand up. That's why I stuck 1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:26.880 with stand up. Like I knew a lot of guys 1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:29.160 in their starting people would do like different videos or 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:31.519 different this or different that, and then they would do 1:30:31.600 --> 1:30:33.519 stand up and I was like, well, I should just 1:30:33.640 --> 1:30:35.760 be great at one thing, Like if I could be 1:30:35.840 --> 1:30:38.880 great at one thing that opens doors to everything. But 1:30:38.960 --> 1:30:41.160 if I'm but if I'm just whatever, if I'm like, 1:30:41.640 --> 1:30:44.240 you know, also being like well I do this, and 1:30:44.320 --> 1:30:47.000 I do that, and I'm making these sketches and I'm 1:30:47.000 --> 1:30:50.720 trying to like, you know, see what lands It's like, well, 1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:53.840 that's not gonna you know, it says Steve Martin, be undeniable. 1:30:53.920 --> 1:30:55.960 That's what he That's what he always said. That's what 1:30:56.040 --> 1:30:58.960 you gotta get to be undeniable, and then all the 1:30:59.040 --> 1:31:02.160 doors will open because you're bringing something to the table. 1:31:02.240 --> 1:31:05.120 Then if I never got this show before and it 1:31:05.240 --> 1:31:07.680 was like like it was brutal because it was I 1:31:07.720 --> 1:31:10.320 couldn't I probably couldn't have handled this show. But now 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:12.240 it's nice to get it and then you're like, oh, yeah, 1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:14.920 you know, you're actually bringing something to the table, like 1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:18.760 you actually have an audience and fans. You know, we're 1:31:18.760 --> 1:31:20.880 talking to a BARGATSI. This is wins and losses. It's 1:31:20.920 --> 1:31:23.040 it's it's interesting, like the reason why I haven't given 1:31:23.120 --> 1:31:25.160 up writing. A lot of people who start doing radio 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:27.920 and start doing TV, they decide, you know, I'm not 1:31:27.960 --> 1:31:30.840 gonna write anymore because writing is tough. I've continued to write. 1:31:31.200 --> 1:31:33.000 But it's funny you mentioned that because I remember the 1:31:33.080 --> 1:31:35.160 first time I went out to Fox they had a 1:31:35.360 --> 1:31:38.280 Terranea Resort, which is a fabulous place out in l A. 1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:41.320 And they had everybody who's on Fox Sports was showing 1:31:41.400 --> 1:31:43.120 up because it was the launch of f S one, 1:31:43.680 --> 1:31:46.320 and so like there's Troy Aigman, and there's Jimmy Johnson, 1:31:46.479 --> 1:31:49.720 and there's Michael Strahan and like every famous person you 1:31:49.800 --> 1:31:52.360 can think of that's ever been associated with Fox Sports, 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:54.599 Aaron Andrews, who at least I knew a little bit, 1:31:55.000 --> 1:31:58.920 Joe Buck, you know, like all these just massive, huge, 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:01.800 famous people. And I remember having like an almost mini 1:32:01.840 --> 1:32:03.720 panic attack because I'm there and I'm like, oh my, 1:32:03.880 --> 1:32:07.240 what am I doing here? Like I feel like, you know, like, 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:09.599 am I sure, I'm thirty, you know, three or whatever 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:11.280 I am. But I'm like at that point, I had 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:13.800 been working, you know, for a long time to kind 1:32:13.800 --> 1:32:15.639 of get an opportunity there, but I was like, I don't, 1:32:15.960 --> 1:32:18.120 am I supposed to be doing television? Like, and so 1:32:18.920 --> 1:32:20.439 what I was getting at with the like the Nate 1:32:20.479 --> 1:32:22.560 Bargatsky Show is and I think this is very l 1:32:22.640 --> 1:32:25.759 A and Hollywood related. It's very hierarchical. So you mentioned 1:32:25.840 --> 1:32:28.800 like if I want an ice coffee, it's gonna show 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:33.240 up there. Uh. Trying to treat everybody the exact same 1:32:33.360 --> 1:32:35.360 has always been. I think I think maybe that's a 1:32:35.600 --> 1:32:39.439 Nate Nashville trade at least of our generation, Like, is 1:32:39.680 --> 1:32:41.920 something that I try to aspire to do, whether it's 1:32:41.960 --> 1:32:43.960 the twenty two year old p A who has just 1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:47.160 started or you know, the president of a network. And 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:50.719 it's just it's it's such an overwhelming experience that sometimes 1:32:50.760 --> 1:32:53.160 you're like, you know, I don't know, do you understand 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:55.479 what I'm meaning? Like, it's it's just it's such it's 1:32:55.520 --> 1:32:59.719 even hard to quantify, sir. Yes, Like yes, like growing 1:32:59.760 --> 1:33:02.240 up like learning to be nice like that, and then 1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:06.439 and then whatever level you're at, you treat everybody like 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:09.200 that and everybody just wants to work with you. Everybody 1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:12.679 would just and eventually when you get higher, like it's 1:33:12.720 --> 1:33:18.160 like the work experience is wonderful because everybody feels like, oh, 1:33:18.280 --> 1:33:20.960 it's a nice place to work. Do what you mean? 1:33:21.040 --> 1:33:24.280 Like growing up like yeah, it's like you're just you're yeah, 1:33:24.400 --> 1:33:27.600 you're just like like growing up here, you know, we 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:32.639 grew up. It's you know, it's just everybody's normal. Everybody's 1:33:32.680 --> 1:33:35.840 doing their own thing, and you just like everybody's very 1:33:35.920 --> 1:33:39.320 polite and nice to people, which I always think naturals 1:33:39.400 --> 1:33:42.760 to something. I think it's too nice, Like that's like 1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:44.519 you know, how to like where it's like no one 1:33:44.680 --> 1:33:47.479 do driving, no one's going, no one's hanking, and it's 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:49.920 like a nightmare because you're like everybody's being too polite 1:33:49.960 --> 1:33:52.439 and like, you know, get people are not even like 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:56.200 near like they're pulling out of a store, Someone's like, nah, 1:33:56.320 --> 1:33:58.320 come on out. You're like they're not even up there yet, 1:33:59.800 --> 1:34:03.760 but they want to let that person go. Uh. But it, yes, 1:34:03.880 --> 1:34:07.840 it translates into like regular business where it's you're you know, 1:34:08.160 --> 1:34:11.200 you just are more appreciative and then people are willing 1:34:11.240 --> 1:34:14.519 to help more, which produces the best product. Yeah, and 1:34:14.720 --> 1:34:16.439 I guess I should say like people may be listening 1:34:16.439 --> 1:34:18.000 to this right now and they're like, like, Travis, you're 1:34:18.000 --> 1:34:21.479 a total asshole, And I don't think that's true. But 1:34:21.600 --> 1:34:24.160 I certainly don't think that's true for people that I 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:26.600 work with. Right Like, I'm in the opinion business, so 1:34:26.760 --> 1:34:29.479 sometimes I might have to be you know, brusque, and 1:34:29.600 --> 1:34:32.639 certainly in social media or my radio show or television 1:34:32.720 --> 1:34:34.719 or whatever else in the way I deliver my opinion. 1:34:35.080 --> 1:34:37.120 But it's important to me that the people that I 1:34:37.240 --> 1:34:40.080 work with like don't hate their job, right. In fact, 1:34:40.120 --> 1:34:41.960 they like hanging out and they have a good time 1:34:42.040 --> 1:34:44.160 and it's a good environment. And I could tell, even 1:34:44.200 --> 1:34:46.400 in the limited amount of time that I've spent around you, 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:48.000 that your show would be like that. All right, we've 1:34:48.000 --> 1:34:49.479 been talking for a while. I want to get to 1:34:49.680 --> 1:34:52.920 just a couple more things. What's the impact of Netflix now? 1:34:53.360 --> 1:34:56.160 Like for a comedian, what did getting your special on 1:34:56.320 --> 1:35:01.040 Netflix do for your career? How important is that? Uh? 1:35:01.160 --> 1:35:03.400 It's huge? I mean it changed. Uh that was the 1:35:03.479 --> 1:35:07.240 first big changed, uh in my career. And I did 1:35:07.320 --> 1:35:09.080 the half hour on the Stand Ups are right at 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:11.000 that point, I already did an hour on Comedy Central 1:35:11.560 --> 1:35:15.240 and Conversation was always great. But they aired my special 1:35:15.400 --> 1:35:17.160 on my hour on Conversational They aired it the same 1:35:17.240 --> 1:35:20.439 night of the Mayweather packy off fight, like it was 1:35:20.680 --> 1:35:23.600 I didn't even watch it. I watched the fight like 1:35:23.720 --> 1:35:28.599 nobody watched it. So when that happens, the conversationals consent 1:35:28.760 --> 1:35:30.880 us make it. You know, they don't re air it 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:34.120 a thousand times, so people cannot even know that I 1:35:34.200 --> 1:35:36.479 even have that. And then so when I went to 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:38.160 a half hour Netflix, at first, I was like, I 1:35:38.160 --> 1:35:39.680 don't want to go down. I just did an hour. 1:35:40.080 --> 1:35:41.560 I don't want to go to a half hour. And 1:35:41.640 --> 1:35:45.320 I knew Netflix was this big force and stand up 1:35:45.840 --> 1:35:47.639 and so I knew. I was like, look, I'm gonna 1:35:47.680 --> 1:35:50.559 get more people probably see that. If I'm lucky, then 1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:52.720 I would. And so I did a thing called the 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:54.680 stand Ups and it was like six of us and 1:35:54.800 --> 1:35:57.439 we all did a half hour, and uh so that 1:35:57.560 --> 1:35:59.800 was the first thing. And that was pretty immediate, Like 1:35:59.840 --> 1:36:02.360 I remember the first time on the road, maybe two 1:36:02.400 --> 1:36:05.320 weeks after it aired on Netflix, Like my shows were 1:36:05.439 --> 1:36:09.960 like it wasn't the like Fried, Like Saturday Night was 1:36:10.040 --> 1:36:11.920 sold out and I could tell they knew who I 1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:15.800 was and they were there for that reason. So like 1:36:15.880 --> 1:36:17.920 you just you know, it's it's not crazy when you 1:36:18.040 --> 1:36:20.960 slowly start building. And then I did that hour special 1:36:21.640 --> 1:36:23.920 and it was you know, and and then and now 1:36:24.000 --> 1:36:27.000 it's jumped to a very big like now we're doing 1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:30.040 theaters and uh, you know, I just said Salt Lake 1:36:30.080 --> 1:36:32.720 and Denver and you walk out and everybody knows you 1:36:32.960 --> 1:36:35.680 and the crowd is excited when you walk out, and 1:36:35.720 --> 1:36:38.160 it's because Netflix, because you're staying up just stays up there. 1:36:38.840 --> 1:36:41.719 It's just always sitting there, and so people flip around 1:36:42.600 --> 1:36:44.360 Netflix and then they catch you and they're like, oh, 1:36:44.400 --> 1:36:46.240 I think I heard about this guy. I always said, 1:36:46.240 --> 1:36:48.439 you want to be the guy like remember when you 1:36:48.479 --> 1:36:50.040 go to conty clubs and you could be like, oh yeah, 1:36:50.040 --> 1:36:51.559 I think I know who that guy is. Like that's 1:36:51.600 --> 1:36:55.560 your first like thing. It's just to be that like 1:36:55.640 --> 1:36:57.360 where you're like, oh yeah, I think I know who 1:36:57.400 --> 1:36:59.599 that guy is and then you just keep going forward. 1:36:59.600 --> 1:37:03.000 But net for is uh. I mean it's given stand 1:37:03.080 --> 1:37:04.960 ups where they just can do stand up comedy there, 1:37:05.040 --> 1:37:07.880 we have to do other things so well. And this 1:37:08.000 --> 1:37:09.360 may be the last question, So I'm just kind of 1:37:09.400 --> 1:37:13.240 fascinated by the process. So you have an hour, let's say, 1:37:13.320 --> 1:37:16.600 Stand Up Special. Do you feel obligated to let that 1:37:16.800 --> 1:37:20.599 hour disappear and like not do that material again? As 1:37:20.800 --> 1:37:23.800 probably millions of people will see it on Netflix and 1:37:23.920 --> 1:37:26.560 yes they love it, But do you feel an obligation 1:37:26.600 --> 1:37:29.200 to go back and recreate something new or do you 1:37:29.400 --> 1:37:33.559 keep those jokes and keep them forever? Like Seinfeld, for instance, 1:37:33.880 --> 1:37:35.679 would be a guy who if he has a joke 1:37:35.760 --> 1:37:37.600 that he really likes and he's refined it and he 1:37:37.720 --> 1:37:39.400 uses it, he'll use it over and over and over 1:37:39.479 --> 1:37:42.439 again at his stand up act. Are you what is 1:37:42.479 --> 1:37:45.120 your process now, Like when you do a full hour 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:47.880 special on Netflix, is it your idea that like, Okay, 1:37:47.960 --> 1:37:49.880 that's gone and now it's time to go back to 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:52.040 the to the drawing board and come up with new stuff. 1:37:52.400 --> 1:37:54.240 Or do you think you'll use this stuff from a 1:37:54.320 --> 1:37:57.080 one hour special for the next fifteen years, ten years 1:37:57.120 --> 1:38:00.439 of your career or whatever it may be. Yeah, it's gone. 1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:03.400 It's like, so now when I go out on tour, 1:38:03.560 --> 1:38:07.240 I do an hour of new stuff and then and 1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:09.040 then I've been doing like an Encore, I come out. 1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:12.400 I'll do ten minutes of old jokes, some more from 1:38:12.520 --> 1:38:14.840 my old time in Central special. I'll do like ice 1:38:14.920 --> 1:38:17.240 coffee with milk is like my big joke could really 1:38:17.680 --> 1:38:19.880 so like I'll do like that kind of stuff. But yeah, 1:38:19.960 --> 1:38:23.160 it's gone. I mean like when you first you know, 1:38:23.320 --> 1:38:25.519 I'll do the same act until it goes on something. 1:38:25.600 --> 1:38:27.559 You do the same act for as long as you can, 1:38:28.080 --> 1:38:31.160 and then once you especially when people are now coming 1:38:31.240 --> 1:38:33.760 because of you. If you look, they could they can 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:37.160 even say they want to see that old stuff, and 1:38:37.200 --> 1:38:38.920 they could think I wish you would do you know, 1:38:39.400 --> 1:38:43.400 but you will lose people dramatically if you do not 1:38:43.600 --> 1:38:46.360 create new things. If you if they go and see you, 1:38:47.080 --> 1:38:49.160 and you know, right when the special comes out, you're 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:52.040 you know, I was probably like four, I could do 1:38:52.200 --> 1:38:54.880 forty new minutes, and he's got on all of that's great, 1:38:55.600 --> 1:38:59.800 But I could do like forty new minutes. Uh and 1:39:00.000 --> 1:39:02.080 and I would maybe have to do twenty from the special, 1:39:02.439 --> 1:39:04.519 and then you slowly get that out. And so now 1:39:04.600 --> 1:39:06.400 I do like an I can do an hour do 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:09.519 and I would say thirty of it is could be 1:39:09.640 --> 1:39:12.400 special worthy, and then the front thirty is kind of 1:39:12.520 --> 1:39:14.519 like you know, some of the stuff I've even said 1:39:14.560 --> 1:39:16.720 on this talking to you, like the Conan story, Like 1:39:16.760 --> 1:39:19.960 I'll just tell some stories and you whatever, just like 1:39:20.600 --> 1:39:23.840 some filler at the beginning, just like trying to be 1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:26.080 funny and making it funny, and then like and then 1:39:26.080 --> 1:39:28.560 I'll slowly just be working in new stuff until I 1:39:28.640 --> 1:39:31.720 could have that whole new hour. So you have to 1:39:31.800 --> 1:39:34.240 turn it over. If you don't turn it over, I mean, 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:36.559 Louis c. K started, I don't think guys like they're 1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:39.479 trying to put out special every year, and I always 1:39:39.520 --> 1:39:42.200 thought that was too much, Like no one needs that. 1:39:43.160 --> 1:39:46.360 Uh So, I think it's like, you know, you probably 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:49.599 every two to three years, you know, depending on what's 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:51.760 going on in your career. If I get this show, 1:39:52.280 --> 1:39:55.639 then I'll probably back off completely and like I'll probably 1:39:55.680 --> 1:39:58.200 just hang on to this hour I have just so 1:39:58.280 --> 1:40:01.160 I can tour with it. If I'm working on the show, 1:40:01.600 --> 1:40:03.920 I would just hang onto my new hour and wait 1:40:03.960 --> 1:40:05.160 to put it back out because I don't need to 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:07.320 put a special because I will have a TV show. 1:40:08.120 --> 1:40:11.280 Uh But if your creative energy is being poured into 1:40:11.360 --> 1:40:13.880 trying to do the television show as opposed to understand, 1:40:13.880 --> 1:40:16.840 it's different mindset. Yeah, it's just as completely different like 1:40:16.920 --> 1:40:19.240 how you create like when I yeah, when you're creating jokes, 1:40:19.280 --> 1:40:21.880 you're like thinking of stories and stuff like this, and 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:24.160 when you're creating a show, you're I'm thinking of like 1:40:25.000 --> 1:40:27.519 the parents that you know. Different, it's just a different 1:40:27.600 --> 1:40:31.080 kind of mindset and uh so, yeah, so I would 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:33.200 just I would just dive into that and give that 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:37.920 and then stand up just kind of hold back, hold 1:40:38.000 --> 1:40:40.120 this new hour, and that way I could still too 1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:43.880 or some to just kind of keep active. Uh, but 1:40:44.000 --> 1:40:45.760 I have an hour that no one sees. But if 1:40:45.800 --> 1:40:47.800 that doesn't, if this show doesn't go, then I'll probably 1:40:47.920 --> 1:40:50.320 shoot to try to take a special the end of 1:40:51.120 --> 1:40:54.160 May and try to you know, have that come out. 1:40:54.200 --> 1:40:57.160 Probably would be like the next one, and then that 1:40:57.200 --> 1:41:01.000 would be like that would be like two years. Uh, 1:41:01.520 --> 1:41:03.800 you do a special every two or three years. All right, 1:41:03.880 --> 1:41:06.320 So in thing here, first of all, I think the 1:41:06.360 --> 1:41:09.360 pilot's gonna get picked up. So I I think it will, 1:41:09.880 --> 1:41:11.720 and if it doesn't, at some points canna happen. But 1:41:11.800 --> 1:41:14.799 if the Nashville Show pilot gets picked up, my request 1:41:14.880 --> 1:41:17.960 to you is, I want to play myself at some 1:41:18.160 --> 1:41:20.840 point on the show. Can you allow me to have 1:41:21.080 --> 1:41:23.400 a line or two at some point when the pilot 1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:26.160 gets picked up and you've got multiple episodes where I 1:41:26.360 --> 1:41:29.720 have in some way a role on the show, yes, 1:41:29.920 --> 1:41:35.400 Well you do this wins and Losses podcast where the losses, yeah, 1:41:35.600 --> 1:41:38.080 or I can you know, be in some way just 1:41:38.320 --> 1:41:40.680 right in a reason and that also gives you a 1:41:40.760 --> 1:41:43.519 reason to talk about sports on the show too. But 1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:47.400 it can be golfing. It can be something related, but uh, 1:41:47.520 --> 1:41:51.400 that's my only We'll see it's a big request. Your 1:41:51.400 --> 1:41:54.280 only request is to be on a network sitcom. That's it. 1:41:54.920 --> 1:41:58.320 Not a recurring role, just like I got to do. 1:41:58.760 --> 1:42:00.960 They they had me on Blue First of all, I 1:42:01.040 --> 1:42:03.200 can't act, so they had me on Blue Mountain State. 1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:05.240 I got to play myself on Blue Mountain State. I 1:42:05.280 --> 1:42:08.320 didn't know anybody created with Blue Mountain State, and I 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:10.120 got to come on and play myself. So I don't 1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:14.040 think it's an landish request, but it is a yeah, yeah, 1:42:14.439 --> 1:42:20.080 I mean well and yeah, two mass Right Park guys, Yes, 1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:22.920 I'll get you. We have on the show. The odds 1:42:22.960 --> 1:42:25.800 would have been low on two people playing baseball Moss 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:29.880 Right Park. Uh working on the Fox lot in Los Angeles. Uh, 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:33.600 if if we've been setting off, not that not that 1:42:33.680 --> 1:42:36.200 one of those teams made it to the uh Little 1:42:36.280 --> 1:42:40.040 League World Series, just through the roof from that for 1:42:40.120 --> 1:42:43.360 that to end, uh to end up working on the 1:42:43.400 --> 1:42:45.560 Fox a lot at the same time. All right, so 1:42:45.720 --> 1:42:48.200 this has been fantastic. Uh, you can go follow Nate. 1:42:48.439 --> 1:42:50.680 Your Twitter handle is just at Nate Barghassy right now. 1:42:50.680 --> 1:42:53.240 I'll tweet it out obviously, when this podcast goes up, 1:42:53.840 --> 1:42:56.040 but encourage people to go check out the Netflix special 1:42:56.240 --> 1:42:59.200 and hopefully, like when if the pilot gets picked up? 1:42:59.240 --> 1:43:00.680 Is that something you just weed out. I don't have 1:43:00.680 --> 1:43:02.439 any idea how that works, so you're just like, hey, guys, 1:43:02.439 --> 1:43:04.479 I've got to teach that show now, Like so just 1:43:04.520 --> 1:43:07.240 watch your Twitter feed and that's how you'll be announced. Yeah, 1:43:07.600 --> 1:43:10.599 I'll be announced in the Uh. I definitely, we would 1:43:10.640 --> 1:43:15.879 definitely be letting everybody know. So yeah, that's understanding. Awesome, man, Well, congrats, 1:43:15.960 --> 1:43:18.800 I've loved it. The congrats on all the success and 1:43:19.240 --> 1:43:21.360 it's awesome to get to watch and I appreciate all 1:43:21.360 --> 1:43:24.400 the time. Today I think people are gonna love this. Yeah, man, 1:43:24.479 --> 1:43:26.680 thank dude. I appreciate it too. If you enjoyed this, 1:43:26.760 --> 1:43:29.040 I'm Clay Travis is Wins and Losses podcast. We talked 1:43:29.040 --> 1:43:31.000 to people about the wins and losses in their careers 1:43:31.040 --> 1:43:32.720 and how they ended up where they did. Uh. You 1:43:32.800 --> 1:43:34.639 can go listen to this one. Obviously you just did. 1:43:34.720 --> 1:43:37.360 And there's lots of others, whether it's Colin Cowherd, Jason Whitlock, 1:43:37.479 --> 1:43:40.360 Kirk herb Street. We've had some fun convos. So I 1:43:40.400 --> 1:43:42.720 hope you enjoy it, Don Clay, Travis and this has 1:43:42.760 --> 1:43:43.799 been wins and losses