1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Welcome into Wins and Losses. I'm your fearless host Clay Travis. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Encourage you to go check out the entire catalog of 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Wins and Losses podcast. Just letting you guys know, it 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: took a little bit to get the audio ironed out, 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: so if you're listening here at the beginning, trust me. 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: After about seven or eight minutes, it's gonna be great 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: for the rest of the conversation, but it's gonna be 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: a little bit spotty in the beginning before we get 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: the audio issues worked out. Just want to let you 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: know Nate's awesome. We had a great conversation. You're gonna 11 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: love it, but it gets better, So I don't want 12 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: you all tweet me be an audio guy saying hey, 13 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: the audio audio is not great for the first few minutes, 14 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: and then it's gonna be great after that, so just 15 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: trust me on it and thanks for listening to Wins 16 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: and Losses this week. Fun guest a guy who's almost 17 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: exactly my age I think, graduated from high school in 18 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: Nashville in the exact same year. He is Nate Bargasky. 19 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: He's been doing comedy comedy I think basically since uh 20 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: since he graduated from high school and he is killing 21 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: it of late, he's got a Netflix special. I want 22 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: to bring him in. First of all, thanks for being 23 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: on Nate. Uh. Secondly, am I correct? Are we the 24 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: exact same year graduating from Nashville area? Think seven yet 25 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: seven represent which used to be a big deal back 26 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: when you're in high school the class of nineties seven. 27 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: So you are forty years old as well as I am, 28 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: and you graduate from high school and immediately good decide 29 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: you're going to be a comedian? Is that what you did? Like? 30 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: At what age did you decide this is what I'm 31 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: gonna attempt to do in my life? Now? I started, 32 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: and I started when I graduated. Uh d c A 33 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: is where I went. And then uh so I graduated 34 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: ninety seven, and I was like, I thought I've been 35 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: doing comment in but I didn't touch a twenty three. 36 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: I just like did whatever jobs like I've worked. Uh 37 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: actually's uh I delivered, Like you know I do this 38 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: to Mac. I say this to Mac now, but there's 39 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: I've never had a job that I can't go back to, 40 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: Like it's like nothing's nothing's changed. Every job I had 41 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: is just like lifting objects, Uh, just stuff so but 42 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: I so I've start I mean Chicago, and I was 43 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: twenty three. So you graduate from high school in eighteen 44 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: A lot of people decided to go to college. You 45 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: went to Donaldson Christian Academy, which is a private school. 46 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: How did you decide not to go to college? Well, 47 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: we went, We got to go there. My dad was 48 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: a teacher to so this week there it's not and 49 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: I fare to graduate. So it was I tried to 50 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: go to college, but there was like there was no 51 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: sign that was like, hey, the kids should be in college. 52 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: I went to Volunteer State for one year. I tell 53 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: this joke. I went one year, no credit, all medio classes. Uh. 54 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: And I at what I say, a good local joker 55 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: that went the Vulteers State. This is a Vanderbilt Galaton 56 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: and the strict local jokes and but they so I 57 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: went there and I was there for a year no credit. Uh. 58 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: We went to Western Kentucky for one semester, chilled, no credit, 59 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: fell go way. Uh. So it just what was happening. 60 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: And then that's when I had done out just like 61 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: whatever job and then then until I decided to go 62 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: to outread Water meeting my funnel jump green Water meter 63 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: that I do it. So I'm curious. So you go 64 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: to Western Kentucky for a semester and it's not like 65 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Western Kentucky is the most elite academic institution on the planet. 66 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: Neither is Vall State. How did you end up getting 67 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: no credits? Like? What did you do at Western Kentucky? Yeah? Man, 68 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: it's hard to do that. And uh, did you know, 69 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: I just say, go to class at a at an 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: unbelievable time. Uh, the greatest whatever smest of four months 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: of my life. And it just I just partnered and 72 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: like I didn't go to anything, and I was already 73 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: in like when I was to went out to the 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: ball Street, I think, I mean unless the T was 75 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: like real bad. Even when he took I forget what 76 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: it's like eat like they're like it's the little lowest 77 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: at worst. And I was either an eighteen or right 78 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: under it was real bad, and I was like a 79 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: like a college astute, Like you know who took him? 80 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: The year was his name, Jonathan, you'reson got ten and Jack. 81 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: He was like in our grouper like my buddies groups 82 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: when we took THET and my buddy said, he just 83 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: toild this thing. Out and put it head down, which 84 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: tweets it didn't matter if he was going to like um, 85 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: but I didn't have that luxture, so I just didn't happen. 86 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: How I just didn't have a great And that's like 87 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: school was just like kind of I just didn't care. 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: So at what point do you start thinking? So you gratuate, 89 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: you you graduate from high school, you kind of mess around, 90 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: you have all these different kind of wacky jobs. At 91 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: what point do you start thinking, Hey, maybe I'll try comedy. 92 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: I've always kind of thought about it, you know, my 93 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: dada that you and so I grew up around that, 94 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: and so it was it was didn't you know, it 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: was always kind of in the back room line, and 96 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: uh I always kind of wanted to do it. And 97 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: then I was working at Bread Water Meters at that company, 98 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: and I julious in my buddy Michael Clay that I 99 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: worked with their uh he. I had another friend that 100 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: said that he wanted to go to Shogle the Second City, 101 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I kind of only like 102 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: do stand up. So I just was like, you know, 103 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: sway three, I'm like I can see that, and uh 104 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: so I just preached Shago. I date, the money, uh 105 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: and and um. Then moved to Chicago and the thirty Pub. 106 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: I mean I started in Chicago. It was like two thousands. 107 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: I mean there, you know, I started in two thousand three. 108 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of guys umel not be and 109 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: he started with me, uh Hannibal birth pet Home. There's 110 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: a like a lot of TJ. Miller, a lot of 111 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: people in that uh Chicago seeing that was all starting 112 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: at the same time. So would you go out and 113 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: you do your So you moved to Chicago and you're like, 114 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to get into comedy. How do you even 115 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: go about making that decision? So you you do you? 116 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by that. So do you How did you 117 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: have to get accepted into into like Second City? How 118 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: how do you show up? Is it just like anybody 119 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: can show up and start taking comedy classes? I have 120 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: no idea how that works. Yeah, anybody job second to 121 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: you could just like people that are also saving classes 122 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: a po mention or be better speaker, that's his job. 123 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: Say so they taking class second to anybody can find it. 124 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: And I did that for like eight weeks of it 125 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: and not any like improv because it was you were 126 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: allowing on too many people, Like improv is like very 127 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna hope that everybody's funny. There's nothing 128 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: funnier to me than some of that's not good at 129 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: improv because the whole pointment problem is you say yes, 130 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: and so it's someone's like I went to the zoo. 131 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: The next person should be like, oh I was at 132 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: the zoo too, Like they gotta keep it going so 133 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: then everybody can play off that stuff. And if someone's 134 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: really bad and then brought, it's beautiful because they go. 135 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: Someone will be like, oh, look at the zoo. They're like, 136 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: we have to zoo with closes though, and you're like, 137 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: well now this whole thing's ruined because you just shut 138 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: down the zoo. So I started, which is so funny 139 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: to see. If you ever see bad improfit's so funny 140 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: just because it's usually one person out of the group 141 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: that just doesn't get it. And but so I started there. 142 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: I started taking class seas and then I did that 143 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to be that more. I want 144 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: to be stand up And I actually signed up for 145 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: a class like just a guy that appliers and said 146 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: come take learn how to do stand up comedy, and 147 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm very pro class at some comedians tait them, but 148 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: they're not gonna teach you how to be funny, Like 149 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: I think you have to learn that. But then you 150 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: just get around a group of people that are also started. 151 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: Because it's very scary to start giving you about yourself. 152 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: You're showing up to some bar and you don't know 153 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: anybody and you're about to go in front of them 154 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: and talking a microphone and trying to tell some jokes. 155 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: So it's very like scary and very neaty to like 156 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: to turn around you like, now, I'm not I don't 157 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: want to do this at all. So when's the first 158 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: time you get up and actually tell a joke in 159 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: front of a crowd? And so I started taking the 160 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: stand up class at the beginning to three. I have 161 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: a VHS my first three times on stage, I have 162 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: a DHS of it, and I mean it's brutal, dude, 163 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: it's ah, I have like a chain beard. That was 164 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: the thing that you're rocking backed in? Uh you know 165 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: it was. I mean, it's just it's it's the disgusting. 166 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: I don't think I could even watch it. How many 167 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: people are in the crowd. You know, your first time, 168 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: sometimes they're pretty good because a lot of times you 169 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: have friends come and so they're rooting for you. So 170 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: I worked at a restaurant in Chicago, and so I 171 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: already had made some friends and I told him I 172 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: was doing it, so they came and watched. So your 173 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: first time doing stand ups can sometimes be okay, and 174 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: then it's the time. It's the time after that that 175 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: gets real bad. Uh. That's when you get into jokes 176 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: and nobody here and you know, I mean you're doing 177 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: like two or three minutes at least. Have a open mic. 178 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: In Chicago, the lines in and then would start at 179 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: I think eight o'clock. You would sign up and then 180 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: they would be like a bucket and uh, then they 181 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: put all this stuff and it would run from eight 182 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: to like two in the morning, and you wanted to 183 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: be you wanted to get help age. Around ten that 184 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: was like the sweet spot where like some regular people 185 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: would come in if you went on first or last. 186 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: I mean, you're performing just for like five comedians, and 187 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: so you get up and you're trying to do like 188 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: two or three minutes. So is that how long you 189 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: went the first time that you did stand up? Yeah? 190 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: I believe it was. I believe it might have been 191 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: five minutes, but it was. It's two to five. Uh, 192 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean you're just saying that, and it feels like 193 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: an eternity. I mean right now now where I'm at now, 194 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean five minutes. It's not like it's not enough time. 195 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: But at that point when we first started, five minutes 196 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 1: is you know, if you had to stare at the 197 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: wall for five minutes, you'll see how long five minutes 198 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: steel like. And so if you're talking to a group 199 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: of people that are not laughing and just staring at you, 200 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: it feels even longer. It's uh, it's remarkable, crazy that 201 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: you know what that feels like. And uh, you both 202 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, if you just have a lot of different people, 203 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: you see a lot of different comedians. There was guys 204 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: that were because they were good. You need see you 205 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: guys that have put open mics for ten years or nowhere. 206 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: They you know, they know what they're doing. There's guys 207 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: that would just plague the ring just like do like 208 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 1: make fun of the comedy, you know stage and those 209 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: guys are very fun to watch. But you can tell, 210 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: like you can would be that guy, like that guy 211 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: who's gonna know you know, he's very funny here, but 212 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: he's not gonna be that's not in this room. Laught. 213 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: So you get up the first time in two thousand 214 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: three and you do a you do a bit. What's 215 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: your bit? Like, what's your joke that you're going for 216 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: at that point? And how long did you craft what 217 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: that joke would be? Like how much time did you 218 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: spend to have three to five minutes or whatever it 219 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: was going to be the first time you got up 220 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: on the stage. I don't you know, I don't remember 221 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: the exact like how much time, but mean you worked 222 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: on it for a while and you would just think 223 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: of the jokes. I believe one of my first I 224 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: can't remember this is my first joke. One of it 225 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: was about the rats in Chicago. We had rats in 226 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: our apartment and in Chicago and they're they're they're bigger 227 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: than squirrels, you know, like their rats are like it's 228 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: another thing. So it was a joke about that, like 229 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: and then like given the rat like a life and 230 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: just you know, like we have these rats. He comes 231 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: in and I just wake up and he's like and 232 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: he's got the refrigerator open, getting some of the drink um, 233 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: and it was, you know, like talking about that. And 234 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: the other one was like about directions in Chicago when 235 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: you move. When I moved to Chicago, they would they 236 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: would always tell if you asked for directions, someone would 237 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: be like, you got to go south about five blocks, 238 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: you gotta go north about eight blocks, and uh, you know, 239 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't. I don't know north and south, 240 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: like I've never told that ever. And then they would 241 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: always tell you what the lake is east and you're like, yeah, 242 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: I can't see the lake though, Like I can't, but 243 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: you know it's not I don't want to cut you off. 244 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: That's so funny because my wife is from Michigan and 245 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: when she moved out to Nashville, she was always well, like, 246 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: am I going south? Am I going north? Am I 247 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: going to east? Or I go with I'm like, I 248 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: don't nobody talks like that, Like you just say you're 249 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: going to like this particular town, you know, like or 250 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm going to this part of the 251 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: city or whatever else. I don't know, Like, you know, 252 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: She's like, am I when I'm getting off at this exit, 253 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 1: am I gonna go east or west? I'm like, I 254 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: don't know, I've never thought about that in my entire 255 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: life North talking about it. I don't carry a compass around, 256 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's something in the West where everybody's like that, 257 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: like that they've all got compasses. I always think of 258 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: it when I hear traffic reports, like when they're like 259 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: going when they say south going on to four or forty, 260 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: You're like, is this Am I listening to the right town? 261 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: Like they're saying, they say where there's in traffic? And 262 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: I never I'm like, where is this? What are they 263 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: talking about? Because they just give like these references of 264 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: between Briley and Donald's and Pike And You're like why, 265 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: You're like, where is that? Yeah? All that so and 266 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: so you do that. And you're also, by the way, 267 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: you said, working in a restaurant at the same time. 268 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: So then you are you trying to do everything in Chicago? 269 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: Yeah at the beginning, I am. You know when I 270 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: was working there was during Bartman. Oh yeah, the Bartman game. 271 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: So I worked that night and if you watch them Bartman, 272 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: uh the thirty or thirty embartment. So when he left 273 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: to go, um, you know, when he got escorted out 274 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: and that girl had like take him to his apart 275 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: her apartment. I worked with a girl that that was 276 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: that was her roommate. So like the next morning, during 277 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: that time, she comes back and tells us that when 278 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: she got home, you know, we're watching all this on TV. 279 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: This is for social media, but you would see it 280 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: all on TV. And uh, she came home and the 281 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: next day she's like, I walked to my door embartment, 282 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: was just sitting in her living room and she's like, yeah, 283 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable, Like it's the craziest thing. Uh it was. 284 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: It was just wild, like you know, just to be 285 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: like she has no concept that he would be there 286 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: and then he's just there. Uh. So I worked, Yeah, 287 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: So I was just working, you know, I was waiting 288 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: tables during the day, summer night, and then you would 289 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: go do open mics, you know, once or twice a week, 290 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: and then you started like just doing a little bit 291 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: more three, four or five times, and then you start 292 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: going out every single night. A big move, a big thing. 293 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: I watched, Uh Comedian came out with Seinfeld. I don't 294 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: know if Netflix, it's unreal, And so I went and 295 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: watched that in a theater by myself. And so right 296 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: when I watched that, I was like, I need to 297 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: move to New York, Like that's where we need That's 298 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: where I need to be going. And so I was 299 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: in Chicago for those two years and then I moved 300 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: to New York. And so you moved to you do 301 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: you have a job at all or your you know 302 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: your years old? I guess what's your job when you 303 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: moved to New York. So when I moved to New York, Uh, 304 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: I started there was a I started barking where you 305 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: handed out flyers to get people in this club. It's 306 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: exactly like there's a HBO crashing a show on HBO 307 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: with Pete Holmes. Pete Holmes got me barking at that 308 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: comedy club. I didn't what that show showed. I barked 309 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: at that Boston comedy club. And so you would do 310 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: that all day. And what I did when I first 311 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: went to New York, I started delivering. I worked for FedEx, 312 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: and uh, because I was already I knew how to deliver. 313 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: This was back when you had to read yet to 314 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: do it by a map, you would have to book. 315 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: It's a map. And since I knew, I knew how 316 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: to do that stuff. So a guy got me a 317 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: job at FedEx, and so I started delivering and uh 318 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: I was like I delivered in New York. Uh just 319 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: driving a FedEx truck up and down the streets of 320 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: New York Brooklyn, Queens truck in New York City. Yeah, yeah, 321 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: I was done. One day we went to New Jersey 322 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: and it was more like how I used to. I'm 323 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: used to delivering where it was just regular houses, and 324 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean I did so good. The guy was like 325 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: that the fastest I've ever seen, Like he was, I 326 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: delivered faster than anybody they've ever had there. Uh So 327 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: I knew I had a good fallback playing because I 328 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: was crushing at FedEx. And uh so I got stuck 329 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: in a snow storm. And I mean I remember being 330 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: on Martin Luther Team Boulevard in Brooklyn and I have 331 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: this truck and I will try to go up a 332 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: hill and I it was just this major snowstorm and 333 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: just got spun sideways and they had to like slide 334 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: all the way back down and then make it back 335 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: u to the make it back to just were the 336 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: the you know, the fed X place to drop the 337 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: truck off. And it was like I would may just no, 338 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: I would think that. So I've never known anybody to deliver. 339 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: And we're talking to night bar Gassy, this is Wins 340 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: and Losses podcast. I've never But what's like the best 341 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: thing that can happen on a delivery? Is it like 342 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: you show up your twenty five year old guy and 343 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: there's like a good looking girl who comes to the door. Like, 344 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: when you're a delivery guy, what is the best thing 345 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: that can happen for you? Did anybody ever like a 346 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: good looking person, a good looking girl ever come to 347 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: the door naked? Like, did you ever have exciting deliveries? 348 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: Not that I remember. I remember I delivered peaches too. 349 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: That's how I saved money up before I moved to 350 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: when I was in Mount Joliott and uh, the only 351 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: thing I remember there. I do remember. I remember going 352 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: to someone's house and they gave me money to go 353 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: buy them beer. It's like adults, like we can't go dry. 354 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: You go to Yeah, so when you go to Kroger 355 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: and like buy us some beer. And I went and 356 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: bought them beer and brought it back and they're like 357 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: giving money like that was the only like think the 358 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: only kind of weird I mean, yeah, obviously a very 359 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: attractive lady would be your your biggest hope. But I 360 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: don't think we ever did. We never had anything when 361 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: we when I delivered U mattresses, I've delivered everything, but 362 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: I delivered matches. Is that was in uh Nashville. This 363 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: is my buddy Hunter, Jimmy Hunter. He only Hunter's Delivery Service, 364 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: and we, uh, we delivered since one ladies house a refrigerator. 365 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: We take her old refrigerator out and there's a dead 366 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: cat behind it, and she's like, oh, that's where that cat, 367 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: that's that's where he went. She didn't know where he's been. 368 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: She was like super old. And so then you just 369 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: got to you're like, yeah, that's crazy, right you just 370 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: kind of talk to this old ladies like you're like 371 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: like literally like how how dead was the cat? Like 372 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: was it like something dead like or like no, no, no, 373 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: And she just she just didn't know, she didn't smell it, 374 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: like she didn't know what was there. No. No, I 375 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: mean just I mean she was just like see now 376 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: like it was just like it was it me the 377 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: very you know, poor neighborhood. It was in Nashville, like 378 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: he was. And we and then we got caught in 379 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: a drive by right after that. This all sounds made up. 380 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: This We we were driving and then we're going back 381 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: out and then we hear like some pops, sounds like 382 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: fire truck fire, and we look and at this car 383 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: behind us was like shooting up this house. And then 384 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: they shot at our car on our truck. We had 385 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: like a twenty six ft box truck, and they shot 386 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: at and we swerved over, and then they drove by 387 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: us and drove away. Yeah, we got he had and 388 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: went through the back of the the back door and 389 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: went out above where I was sitting. So this is 390 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: this is gonna sound ridiculous because I've also been in 391 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: a car in Nashville and gotten shot at and had 392 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: the car get hit. So we were saying earlier, you're 393 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: a class of nineties seven too, So for people who 394 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: are from Nashville, this will probably make some sense at least. Um. 395 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: So I went to Martin Luther King Magnet High School 396 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: in Nashville, and the cheerleaders at our high school this 397 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: was our senior year of high school. We're having a sleepover, 398 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: and so I mean it's probably I mean for guys 399 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: out there now, you're like that sounds awesome. I mean, 400 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: when you're a senior in high school, the cheerleaders are 401 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: all having a sleepover. So we decided we were going 402 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: to roll the house. Right, it's a it's a house 403 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: in Antioch. And so it's me and like six of 404 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: my buddies, and we're in two different cars. It might 405 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: have been eight of us, six six or eight of us, right, 406 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: all guys. And so we pull up at the house 407 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: and we've got toilet paper in our hands and everything else, 408 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: and we're like throwing the toilet paper rolls all in 409 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: the trees. And there are two cars. And my buddy 410 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: who would later be the best man in my wedding, 411 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: he had an old SOB convertible and he had put 412 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: like it was. It was awful car, but he had 413 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: put like somehow he had decided to turn it into 414 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: a shark, so it had like a shark fin on 415 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: the top of it. And he parked his car back. 416 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: It was a dead end street. He parked his car 417 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: fairly far back, and then there was another car full 418 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: of people that was parked closer. So while we're rolling, 419 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we hear like a shotgun, like 420 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: a you know, like a like somebody clearly like cocks 421 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: a gun and then fires into the air, and we're like, 422 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: holy crap, what's going on? So we all panic and 423 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: we all run, and a bunch of dudes get in 424 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: the front car, and then me and my buddy Ian 425 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: and my friend Paul, we all get into the back 426 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: of his car. There's like five people. It's probably eight 427 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: of us. There's like five people who get in the 428 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,239 Speaker 1: front car. They drive away, they're fine. The guy who 429 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: lived across the street from the head cheerleader has got 430 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: a gun and we dive in the back. We're in 431 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: the back seat. My friend Ian is driving and he 432 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: has got his his gun, and as we drive by 433 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: his rifle, he takes aim at the car and he 434 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: fires once, aiming at the tire well, and he misses. 435 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: But when the car gets hit, like you can totally 436 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: feel it, you know, like the car I didn't felt 437 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: like to have a are get hit, but the car 438 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: like jolts right. And then as we piss him, he 439 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: aims for the back window and he barely misses and 440 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: just hits right below the back windows. So there's this 441 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: huge embedded bullet directly beneath it, and so the guy 442 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: later said, oh, I thought they were robbing the house, 443 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: and I'm like this guy. First of all, I don't 444 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: think they did anything to this guy, but I'm like, 445 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: we were at toilet paper. This would be the worst 446 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: robbery of all time if you're throwing toilet paper into 447 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: the house, white toilet paper, so that everybody can see 448 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: what you're doing. Like the guy totally lied. I sometimes 449 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: wonder what that guy does now and if he's still alive. 450 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: But that happened to us in Antioch, and so we 451 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: were like terrified. So maybe, but I didn't know you 452 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: worked as a delivery guy. So you're working as a 453 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: delivery guy in Manhattan FedEx guy and then like are 454 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: you up late at night going into comedy clubs? Like 455 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: how does that work? So I did that and then 456 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: I realized that, like, well, someone a strong FedEx career, 457 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: like this is I'm I'm you know. I was like 458 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: sometimes working until eight nine o'clock a night. Uh, somethings 459 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: you get off at two in that soon somethings it's longer. 460 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: So it was two. I was like, I can't do this, 461 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: Like so then I switched to just loading trucks, which 462 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: was like five am. And what I would do is 463 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: we'd go in at like seven pm. I'd go into 464 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: the city. I would hand out flyers for the shows 465 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: that would start at like eight, and the show would 466 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: run from eight to one to and I think two 467 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: in the morning, maybe even three somethings like uh, and 468 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: we would just stand out there and do that all night, 469 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: and I would get up. I would get to go 470 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 1: up late at night, like one of the last spots, 471 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: so you were lucky if there was five people in there, 472 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: and uh. And then what I would do is I 473 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: would just stay awake, Like I would just stay up 474 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: and go into fed X at five am, worked at 475 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: ten am, and then sleep during the day and then 476 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: started again at seven. And you did every night because 477 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: he was you know, uh, there's no nights off. That's 478 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: what I'm here. They're due is stand up. And I 479 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: mean that was like, I mean, this is there, like 480 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: Chappelle's show was going on. So Chappelle used to come 481 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: in there. Uh you know, it's like two four, and 482 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: I mean we would just be standing outside hiding these 483 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: flyers out and Chappelle would just like pop in and 484 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: go up and there'd be eight people in the crowd 485 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: and he would just go on. I remember him and 486 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: having uh makeup on his ear, like behind his ear. 487 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: One day, it was like, tell us about it, and 488 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know if it was the 489 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: it was like he was either painted like as a 490 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: white person when he's doing some sketch, one of those 491 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: sketches like that, and uh. But he would come in 492 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: and would watch him go up in front of nobody 493 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: and just sit there and you know, talk and whatever, 494 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: and then we go outside and say like Chappelle's on stage, 495 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: and then I mean he would take fifteen minutes in 496 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: the room would be sold out because we led him 497 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: in for free, and we just like Chappelle's on stage, 498 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: so then everybody would just come in. I'll never get 499 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: one couple, I said Chappelle's day sapells on stage and 500 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: they were like I don't believe you. And I go, 501 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: why why would I make this up? Like is that 502 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: a comedy? I'm telling him, like why would I lie 503 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: about this? And the like, I think you're just trying 504 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: to make us come in the room. I was like, 505 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: go to that window and if you do not see 506 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle, turn around and leave and they were like no, 507 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: and then just left. I've never always think about those 508 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: people like what, like, you know, they literally, what do 509 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: you think we're trying to kill you? Like, it's a 510 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: comedy club. He's a comedian. It's not that far off. 511 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: It's actually perfect. It makes perfect sense that he would 512 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: be there. Uh but yeah, you so I would get 513 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: to sit and watch him. Bill Burr, Patrese O'Neil another 514 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: unbelievable comedian that passed away. Uh, Greg Giraldo, I mean 515 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: collin Quin. Like all of these people would just come in. 516 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: They'd come in like they would just stop in whenever, 517 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: and they would go up and then you would just 518 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, you get to start meeting these guys and 519 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: hanging around them, and that was like, you know, just 520 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: kind of where you learn everything. So when do you 521 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: start thinking I'm decent at this? There would be more, 522 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: you know, you could have moments where I mean I 523 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: remember the bad moments of the ones that I remember 524 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: that hurt the most. I remember one time getting the 525 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: ghost on a weekend, like the place would sell out 526 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: and uh so you get to go up on the 527 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: late show. Uh one you you do get into one spot. 528 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: It's from the late show, and I remember this crowd 529 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: was so hot and so great, and uh, they this 530 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: girl that went up that I knew that I didn't 531 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: think was I thought I was better than her. And 532 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: she goes up and murders and I was like, all right, 533 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: she's murdering, I'm gonna just slaughtered like two A big problem. 534 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: I go up and bomb the hardest you could bomb. 535 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: I bombed so hard, like it was like I never 536 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: wore the shirt I had on ever again because I 537 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: thought it was the shirt I go. I would just 538 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: anything in my head I could make up. And I left. 539 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: I had to go walk around like the West Village, 540 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: like by myself. Like I was like sick to my stomach. 541 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: I was like, you know where you just kind of 542 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: have a moment of just like I'm terrible. I don't 543 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: know what's going on. Uh why were you so bad 544 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: then at night? Uh? You know that. I mean I 545 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: was never that like I I mean, I bombed definitely 546 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times. It's situations when you bomb. It's 547 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's comics that are definitely terrible comedians. 548 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: But if you're if you have jokes and you're you know, 549 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: and your jokes are funny, it's usually gonna be a 550 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: crowd problem. Like it's usually like they're drunk. They're not, 551 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's situations. One day, I had 552 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: to weight tables at that comedy club because the waiter 553 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: didn't show up. So I was like, well, I knew 554 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: how to wait tables, so I waited tables and then 555 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: I would go Then I went on stage and like 556 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: then came off stage and went to the table, and 557 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: it's like and brought them more beer. Yeah, I mean 558 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: there's just a lot of like that situation is like 559 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: no one would take you serious. No one really takes 560 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: you to you know, if I'm hatting a flyer, trying 561 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: to make you come into this show, and then you 562 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: watched me on stage, you're not like, oh wow, that's 563 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: cool man, Like you're like, who is this? You're not 564 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: predisposed to think that guy's good, which oftentimes can impact 565 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: initial reaction. But on that particular night, when you're out 566 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: having your West Village walk of like shame what happened 567 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: that your jokes didn't work that night? I think I 568 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: got too cocky, Like I got to like I thought, 569 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: if she did good, there's no way I can't. I'm 570 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: better than her, And there was like two confident, too cocky. 571 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: You may be walking up there with more of a 572 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: swagger than I've hearned. And you know, a big thing 573 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: for us is like if you ever if you see 574 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: if I see a comics sit down on the stool, 575 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: I mean like it's a big no note. Like it's 576 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: like and if a comic does sit down, you better 577 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: be unbelievable. Like Bill Cosby sat down on a stool. 578 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: So unless you're that level of comedian, You're like, you 579 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: don't deserve to sit down on the stool, like because 580 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: it gives a fake confidence. I don't. I hate fake confidence, 581 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: and people like, you know, it's like there, it's not 582 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: a real they can just they're like, I'm gonna sit down, 583 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know. It's very cocky, and 584 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: I think I had that. I was very I didn't 585 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: sit down on the stool, but I'm like there was 586 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: like a mantle kind of behind you and people would 587 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: lean on it, and I'm like leaning on it, like 588 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: just very nonchalantly talking like I got everything and I 589 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: just and then once like the first joke doesn't work, 590 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: then it's like I mean, now you're just like you're 591 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: just struggling hard. They're like, oh, even now if I 592 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: do comedy, if one joke doesn't work, you felt the 593 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: next one out quicker and then quicker, you know, and 594 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: then it's like then they're like, what's going on? And 595 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: then you never really get the back and then you're 596 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: just done. So like that night that happened, I mean, 597 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: everybody murders except me, and I mean I got no 598 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: laugh so it just like destroyed me. I still remember, like, 599 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, like it was like that it affected me 600 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: that much. So that would have been at what age? 601 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: So two dozen does rights four, two five, twenty three, 602 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: twenty four? Maybe when when do you start being able 603 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: to make a living off of touring and other things? 604 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: Like at what point do you say, Okay, I've you know, 605 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: kind of served my apprenticeship. How much time do you 606 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: put in doing the you know, sending out get trying 607 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: to get people to come into the comedy club and 608 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: working full time doing another job. At what point do 609 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: you kind of take that next step? I would say, 610 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: I mean, so I started two thousand four, I mean 611 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: I got married in two thousands six. Uh, that helps 612 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: my wife was working in New York should a good job. 613 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: So I'm still doing like some like temp work where 614 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: you would just you know, I don't know, do whatever 615 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: you go. Like I'd go to the convention center and 616 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: just like ask some questions if you need help or something. 617 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: I remember still doing that, like a two six two seven, 618 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: I'd take two. I'm not really making I mean, I'm 619 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: not making much money to the day you get to 620 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: where I just remember I wanted to get to where 621 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: the amount of money I would make if I waited tables, 622 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, I just need to make like twenty gran 623 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: a year. Like if I can get to twenty gran 624 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: a year, like that's how much, you know, And that 625 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: was like a big deal. I was like, oh wow, 626 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm making this same amount of money I was making 627 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: waiting tables, like you know, And you were like that 628 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: was like a big mark. And then you get you know, 629 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: then it just keeps in. Then the mark kind of 630 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: goes in the next year, you might make thirty and 631 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: then you remember, you know, you might make fifty. And 632 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: now you're like, oh, this is like a like if 633 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: I had a regular job, you're making what would be 634 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: a regular person salary, and like you're just like can't 635 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: believe you're you know, that's all you're doing. And so 636 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: it's two doan dight was like a big year for me, 637 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: Like that was I did Montreal Comedy Festival just for 638 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: last and they had a thing called New Faces, and 639 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: that was I got. I did that. Uh, and then 640 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: I did a Conan and Live a Gotham. So I 641 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: did all of that in two thousand and eight. Live 642 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: and Gotham was a little comedy Central where you do 643 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: like five minutes, and then uh, I did in Late 644 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: Night with Conan was my first time. But for for 645 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: it in I was very nervous, like so they came in. 646 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: There's a couple of stories with it. So the first 647 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: time I go do it. I have have these managers 648 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: and they're good guys, but they were like kind of crazy, 649 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: like they're kind of lunatics. Like I would always say, 650 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: like if you saw a manager, if someone walked into 651 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: the room and you're like, who's your manager, and I 652 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: would be like, who'd you thinks about to get kicked 653 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: out of here? That's my manager. Like he was a 654 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: guy that would he'd wear a cowboy hat and a 655 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: handlebar mustache and they're Jewish and they just like he 656 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: just was like he was just like kind of a 657 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: redneck kind of Jewish person. And um, so I go 658 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: and the first time I do toll In. I tell 659 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: this in my act now, but like it's I I 660 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: go do what they picked me in my wife up 661 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: at our house and we go to thirty Rock where 662 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean, pull up the thirty Rock. All these pop 663 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: rocks as are taking pictures of the celebrities going into 664 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: thirty Rock. So they come to the car because they think, 665 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be some celebrity. And so then 666 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: I opened the door and I opened it. Uh, they 667 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: all got their cameras up, and one guy just goes, 668 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: it's nobody, just yells it out, and they all turned 669 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: and walk away from me. And it was just so 670 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: like deflating to like, you know, and I know I'm 671 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: not acting like I'm somebody, but it's like you don't, 672 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: like in my head, I'm like, just to let the picture, 673 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: you know, you got to shout it out, like just 674 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: pretend to take it or something like you know. Uh. 675 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: But so that was the first time. So then I 676 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: did so I did conan and uh, and then a 677 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: couple of months later, they were doing auditions again for Conan, like, 678 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: and I told my managers, like, I want to try 679 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: to do it again, and uh, they were like, you 680 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: can't do it again. Nobody does it within three months 681 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: of each other. And I was like, well, I think 682 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: I can try. Why not trying? They were like, no, 683 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: these done. These managers they were like no, So I go. Uh. 684 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: So I just went and got it set up on 685 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: my own and I got it again. And I wasn't 686 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: even going to tell them. I was at the point 687 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: of just like I just want these men. I want 688 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: my managers just just see me on Conan again. Uh, 689 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: just to be like, yeah, I went into it again 690 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: because you game. And uh they end up finding out 691 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: they came to the audition and I then I got 692 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,239 Speaker 1: it and they came to Conan and they're like, oh 693 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: that's cool, man. But you know, they just played off. 694 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: So what's the benefit for people out there? We're talking 695 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: to night bar Gassy, I'm Clay Travis. It's wins and wasses. 696 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: What's the benefit for and And I'm just kind of 697 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: fascinated by the comedic industry in general, but I think 698 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm kind of the average a listener here. The benefit 699 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: of doing a show like Conan is what it's a legitimizing, 700 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: it's a stamp of approval. It's the amount of people 701 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: who are watching. Could you tell any difference in your 702 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: career before and after you did Conan? No, you don't. 703 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: I mean you could mostly that do Conan for the 704 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: first time, go back to a day job. Yeah, like 705 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: they're they they haven't made it. They're making you know 706 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: there there there, You're struggling the whole time. The point 707 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: of doing it, you have every time you think this 708 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: could be at the time, like you know, because when 709 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: you used to do Carson Carson, that changed. Those guys 710 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: live like they was back then. They would get a 711 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: tour around the country and they was you know, if 712 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: they're if they're on a once, you know. But Steve 713 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: Martin says it took him like eleven times on Carson. 714 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: He said that in his book. So I always thought 715 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: it was just like you did it once, But like 716 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of guys Seinfeld took off. Stephen Wright, Uh, 717 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: he got asked back. That was when Carson waved him 718 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: over and he got asked back on the show that 719 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: next week. That's how good he did, so that was 720 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: like huge, but that was there's three channels. So when 721 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: I did Conan, you're doing it just to like you 722 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: hope it's going to be something crazy, but it's all 723 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: just check marks in your career that like means you 724 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: keep moving forward. So now I've done I think thirteen 725 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: Late Night Steps, maybe fourteen elements. But it was like 726 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: so it's like all of it is just like you're 727 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: just staying around your faces on everything. You're going through 728 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: the system of like trying to move up to a 729 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: special and like so it's that's what that's the the 730 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: huge benefit of it is that I mean like when 731 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: I did Conan, I mean I wasn't even headline. I 732 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: don't know if I could have even done in an 733 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: hour or worth of material. Uh, you know, you probably 734 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: have like thirty forty good minutes. So you just do 735 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: it just to it's a check mark. It's a good 736 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: thing to get. You have a credit that helps you 737 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: with when I go trying to play clubs in New York. 738 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: Like in clubs of New York, it's not like a 739 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: typical it's not like going to Zanies in Nashville or 740 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: like you know, an improv or something where you have 741 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: one headliner and then they have an opener. Clubs in 742 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: New York there's like seven guys go on, so you 743 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: have like, you know, every night is like seven comics 744 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: are on every show and everybody's doing like twelve to 745 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Those credits like a conan helps you get 746 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: into those clubs because now the club can be like, well, 747 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: this guy was on a Conan, you know, and no 748 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: one knows that you're on. No one's like, oh I 749 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: know that guy, you know, but it's just he's been 750 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: on late night. So it, you know, reaffirms that we're 751 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: a professional comedy clubs, you know. So it's I'm fascinated 752 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: on the economics of this. So has comedy become like 753 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: you're either a superstar and you make a good living 754 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: or it's like you can barely afford to make a 755 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: living at all, Like there's almost no middle class of comedy. 756 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: Would that be accurate or inaccurate? Um? I would say so. 757 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's like the problem with comedy is 758 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: like the problem with you know, probably what you do 759 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: is like someone doing the podcast. Anybody can have a podcast, 760 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna sw skew the skew the numbers because like 761 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: I can have a podcast, you know, like anybody on 762 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: earth can do a podcast and no one listens. I 763 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: mean you see it all the time. There's nothing greater 764 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: than we've been seeing comedians post videos to their fans 765 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: and you'll see like four people like it. You're like, 766 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: who're you talking to? It's insanity. But that guy says 767 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: he's a comedian. So that guy's walking around saying he's 768 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: a comedian. So there's there's way more of those people 769 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: then there are that actually you're doing it. But when 770 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: you're in the the meat of it, of the guys 771 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: that are you're doing it, I think there's your gaffigans, 772 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: just Seinfeld's Sebastian, I think Special Meniscalco, like these guys 773 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: now I mean Gascan, Sebastian Menscalco, Brian Reagan, Anotherland. But 774 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: like they're they're guys that have made their livings from 775 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: stand up. Like it's not their shows, that's not anything else, 776 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: and they make crazy livings down like they're on those 777 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: Forbes lists. I mean, you know they they can make 778 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars a year, like just touring and if 779 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: you can sell the tickets then you can do these arenas, 780 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: you can do these big things. So there is that 781 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: there is these guys that are making a ton of money. 782 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,399 Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys though, that can make under 783 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: a million, make two thousand dollars a year, like you 784 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: could do like I'm clean. So if you're a clean 785 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: comedian and you say you just have some of the 786 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: if you don't have any of my specials, but I 787 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: just have like my Late Night my Tonight Show appearances, 788 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: those are the check marks you have in your career. 789 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: So I remember my career. At first, you're just you 790 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: want to get to where like, no matter what, I 791 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: could do cruises, I could do private gigs, like you know, 792 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: I have enough credits where you know, I could probably 793 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: make a hundred thousand dollars a year. Like just you 794 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: just want to get to that point where you're just like, 795 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: all right, I can do this now. You have like 796 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: it's like a safety net. You feel I have an 797 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: hour worth of material that I can go do these 798 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: gigs or whatever that you know you don't want to 799 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: be doing. But they're good, you know, they're not bad gigs, 800 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: and guys can make livings. So there's a lot of 801 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: guys in that I would say a hundred to they 802 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: can make hundreds of three hundred, four hundred thousand dollars 803 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: a year, you know, and and and do and do 804 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean, like, you know, and then there's 805 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: another leap. And I think once you get above that, 806 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: like people are starting to leap into like where you know, 807 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: I think you can be making you know, you can 808 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: make a million, two million, then you get and then 809 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: as you get up it's like four or five and 810 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: you get gas and I mean some of them are 811 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: making thirty forty million dollars a year and they're just touring. 812 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: So I'm curious on this. Can you tell the difference? 813 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example, like, um, I feel like 814 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 1: a lot of times with music, you can't really tell 815 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: the difference between somebody who is the most talented musician. 816 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: It might just be the person who gets the most 817 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: marketing behind them and everything else. Do you feel like 818 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: comedy is a meritocracy and that the guys who do 819 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: the best and the girls tend to be the best 820 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: comedians or when you guys sit around like you know, 821 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: for instance, writing there are a lot of great writers 822 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: who don't make great livings because they're not writing for 823 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: the masses. Do you think that the people who tend 824 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: to make the best livings in comedy are the best 825 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: at what they do or their comics? Comics and you 826 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: guys are like, man, this guy or this girl is incredible, 827 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: but they just don't make that They never cross over, 828 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: do you know what I'm talking about? Like the like 829 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: people in the in the craft that appreciate them in 830 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: a way maybe that the masses don't. Yes, I think 831 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: a lot of like you know, a lot of guy eyes. 832 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: I mean, look the top right now, Chapelle and burg 833 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: Bill Bird. That bird has had a special come out too. 834 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: So there's your two top guys and those guys. The 835 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: thing that separates a lot of them is a point 836 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: of view. Like there you you get what their point 837 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,399 Speaker 1: of view is. And so when they have a point 838 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 1: of view and they're talking to themselves, whatever they talk 839 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: about is like their own thing. There, HiT's their own 840 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: take on it. Everything's original. You want to you you 841 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: want to know what they think about those things, and 842 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: the point of view is what separates. I've listened to 843 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: I'll do it a lot with myself, Like I'll listen 844 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: to like comedians like on the radio like serious, you know, 845 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: Netflix and Comedy Central Radio or laft all laugh uts 846 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: say whatever. You're listening to all these like comedians and 847 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: also listen to guys and be like, why why is 848 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: that guy not famous? Like that was a funny joke. 849 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: Why is he not making any money? He's just like 850 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: a dude that's just like plugging along making sixty grand 851 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: a year maybe. Uh. And it's like it all comes 852 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: from point of you. And that's that's like the main 853 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: thing to me that I that I see the difference 854 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: is like everybody has to have a point of view. 855 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 1: You have to have something. I mean, you're in a 856 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: business that no one cares if you do stand up. 857 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: No one needs you, no one you know, no one's 858 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: begging us to do stand up. We're trying to, you know, 859 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: do something that's you know that no one's asked us 860 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: to do. So you have to be you have to 861 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: have something that makes people want to be like I 862 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: want to listen to this guy. So I think that's 863 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: what separates those guys. I think if you're there's no 864 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: one that's terrible that that's at the top, they couldn't 865 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: be not your cup of tea you cannot like what 866 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: they do or that you don't enjoy it. But even know, 867 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: if you see people always you know, like they're the 868 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 1: cable guy. Like I remember guys saying like, oh about him, 869 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: like you know, he's just doing get or done and 870 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: all these stuff, and they act like it's easy. And 871 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: I would just you know, all I would say is like, 872 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: didn't go do that? You go do it. If you 873 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: can do that and makes sixty million dollars a year, 874 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: then why would you not go do that? But they 875 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: can't because he did create something, So like that's what 876 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: that's what's great is he did create something you might 877 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: not like. It might not be your thing, but it 878 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,439 Speaker 1: is a lot of people's things. Kevin Hard, he's created something. 879 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: People love what he does. There's different guys, you know, 880 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: to me, the best right now is Bill Burn and Chappelle. 881 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: I mean, which is pretty clear, but that's the best 882 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: between even comics. We all think that those guys are 883 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: that's the best comics working gask into uh. But then yeah, 884 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: there's plenty of people that are like, yeah, they're not 885 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: like my thing, but there's a market for Look that 886 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: Hannah Gatsby, you know, she put that special out whatever. 887 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: You know, it's like that's why she didn't have doing 888 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 1: comedy on it, Like she's just like doing it, you know, 889 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: but if there's a huge market for people want to 890 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 1: hear it, so she's doing something. She's like figured something out. 891 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: So it's like what you just sometimes have to like 892 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: you gotta take yourself out of it, Like I was. 893 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 1: Sometimes what I'll say, I it why they are even 894 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: if it's not someone that I like, I'll be like 895 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: I get it though, I get why people would like them, 896 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: and that's what I think those people as Uh. You 897 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 1: mentioned Chappelle and Burr. You also mentioned that you're a 898 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,839 Speaker 1: quote unquote you know, kind of clean comedian. So how 899 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: I want to I'm gonna come back to Chappelle and 900 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: burg because I've watched those comedy specials as well, But 901 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: I want to come back to the decision when and 902 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: how do you decide, Okay, I'm gonna be a clean 903 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: comedian And for people out there, I'm assuming that means 904 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: that you don't like tell off color jokes, you don't 905 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: really curse in your specials, Like how do you make 906 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: the decision that that is going to be your avenue? 907 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: Were you ever not a clean comedian? Did you try 908 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,280 Speaker 1: different persona so to speak, before you found your voice? 909 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 1: How did you come to do comedy the way that 910 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: you do it? I started like, you know, I grew 911 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: up here, So I mean, that's all a love let's do. 912 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you grew up. You know, you're Southern Baptist 913 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: Christian family, just typical national you know family, and so 914 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: you just I've never was allowed to like listen to 915 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: any of this stuff. And uh so I just grew 916 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: up like that's just how I grew up. And then 917 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,240 Speaker 1: so when I started coming, I knew I couldn't be dirty, 918 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: and it's mainly because of my parts. I was like, 919 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 1: my parents are gonna they would kill me if I 920 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: was like filthy, and so that's been that's been my 921 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: thing ever since the beginning. I was saying, like what 922 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: I've learned, I this is something I've learned about my 923 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,959 Speaker 1: stuff recently. It's like all the stuff that I write, 924 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: I write to not make my parents mad at me, 925 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: Like I don't want him to be embarrassed. So every 926 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: joke is like I'm writing to make them not be embarrassed, 927 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: or like they're gonna be mad at me. And I 928 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 1: think it helps because you're writing for something so specific 929 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: that it didn't relate to a broader instead of trying 930 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: to I'm not trying to relate to everybody. I'm trying 931 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: to not make them mad at me. And uh so 932 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: it's like I just always I've always started that way, 933 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: and I was doing like midnight uncensored shows, like that's 934 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,399 Speaker 1: how the shows were advertised, and everybody in the show 935 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: is just filthy, and then I just I never had 936 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,760 Speaker 1: I never had those jokes. I never had sex jokes. 937 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: I just never did. And but I learned that I 938 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 1: would have to tell these jokes and I didn't want 939 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,879 Speaker 1: the audience to be like, oh, this is a clean guy. 940 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: So like I you know, because people just write you 941 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 1: off when they're like, oh, you're a clean comedian. My 942 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: thing that I like the most that people tell me 943 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,839 Speaker 1: is when they is that they don't realize I'm clean. 944 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: And that's the ultimate goal is like for you to 945 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I didn't even think about it and 946 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: like that, and that's what you wanted. That's what you 947 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,879 Speaker 1: want to be, is you know, to be like, yeah, 948 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: they don't think about it. And I look at like, look, 949 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,839 Speaker 1: there's plenty of dirty guys. Whatever, there's there's whatever you want, 950 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: we can send you to someone that does that thing. 951 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: So there was plenty of people being dirty. So then 952 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: once I started that way, then you're realizing, like, well, 953 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm like not being dirty just because every single comedian 954 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 1: is being dirty. So why would I? Why would I 955 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: put myself with them? Why would I? Why would I? 956 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: You know, if I talk about sex, They're all talking 957 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 1: about sex, every one of them. So why would I? 958 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 1: Why would I want to try to write a better 959 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: sex joke than the thousand of them that are out there. 960 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,479 Speaker 1: If I don't do that, then that's just one extra 961 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: joke I have. That is something different, that's something that 962 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: no one's thought of. So I want to go back 963 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: to the Chappelle and the burr Um when you watch 964 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: a special and you are in the same industry as 965 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: those guys. I remember when I first started writing, people said, 966 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: you have to find your own voice. And it's an 967 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: interesting dynamic because, uh, you want to find your voice, 968 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: which sounds different than everybody else's voice, but also you're 969 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: trying to learn simultaneously from the voices that surround you. Right. 970 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: In other words, for a writer, the best way to 971 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: learn how to write is to read the people who 972 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: are the best writers, and then hopefully you develop your 973 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,399 Speaker 1: own voice that builds upon whatever they have created. I'm 974 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 1: assuming the same thing is true of comedians. Do you 975 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: still kind of you said you listen to the radio 976 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: and you're talking about Burr and Chappelle and things like that. 977 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: Do you find yourself taking notes almost watching it like 978 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: it's film if you were an athlete, right, if you're 979 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback, you want to go watch what Tom Brady 980 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning do because you can learn from them 981 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: because you do the same thing. You just don't necessarily 982 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 1: do quite as well. Do you watch comedy the same 983 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: way as a young quarterback might watch game film? You? Uh, yeah, 984 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 1: I watched Burds such a last time, and like, so 985 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: I was with ber like a year ago or something, 986 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: maybe your hash I went to Talladega and so I've 987 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 1: done Dayton and Talladega with him, and like, so I 988 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: gotta see some of this, like whenever you're like first 989 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: starting to put it together, and uh, what you take 990 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 1: from Look, when you first start, the biggest thing you 991 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: take is you take people's cadences. So that's the that's 992 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: the thing that you get influenced with the most. The 993 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: speech pattern, like the speech pattern, the thing it makes 994 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: him laugh like Brian Reagan's is you know, whatever he is, 995 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's thing that he has that makes people 996 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: ask Burger is like, you know, he burd has his 997 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,879 Speaker 1: arm on the like stand, he props up and puts 998 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: his arm. So you would start seeing everybody, every younger 999 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: comics starting to do that, and they grabbed the mic 1000 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: stand and they start moving it a little bit more Chappelle, 1001 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,800 Speaker 1: he hits the microphone on his leg. I mean, I 1002 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 1: hate it that he does it, but that's like what 1003 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: he does. And you can start seeing some other guys 1004 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 1: do it like and you start seeing it and like 1005 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,360 Speaker 1: when you first start, everybody in New York, everybody sounded 1006 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: like David Tell. David Tell was probably the pound from Pound, 1007 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: the funniest comedian has ever lived. Truth, Like, if I 1008 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: if I had to pay to watch someone, I'd watch 1009 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: him because it will there will be nothing fun er, 1010 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 1: nothing is more fun than watching him. And uh so 1011 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: U Tell was like everybody sounded like a Tell. Everybody 1012 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,960 Speaker 1: just you would like if you went and watched him, 1013 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 1: you just you would start you know, you start taking 1014 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 1: the cadence from him, because they you gotta learn a 1015 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: cadence that makes people laugh. So the way they can 1016 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 1: talk is like the way they say something is like 1017 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: they just figured something out and it's their thing. So 1018 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: you start, like you get influenced by it very heavily, 1019 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: and you have to be very aware of it, like 1020 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: you have to, like, you know, you would realize that 1021 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: Like there's times I was like, oh, I can't go 1022 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: watch David Tell anymore because I would might I feel 1023 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,240 Speaker 1: like I'm sounding like him or Bird or like whoever Chappelle. 1024 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 1: Like you, just every every young Southern novelist sounds for 1025 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: a while like William Faulkner, right because they're like, oh, 1026 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,759 Speaker 1: this is the guy who's got the most pronounced and 1027 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,319 Speaker 1: voice that kind of defines a region and you grow 1028 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: up reading him or whatever else, and so everybody has 1029 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: a falkinery and twist, and for you, it would be 1030 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: that guy that you're talking about right now, where everybody 1031 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,160 Speaker 1: mimics him because he's literally the master of the craft. Yeah, 1032 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,360 Speaker 1: David Tell. Have you heard of David Tel? You know 1033 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:03,920 Speaker 1: Insombiac Central. He's unreal, so uh, just very jokes, very 1034 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,320 Speaker 1: quick whatever. Yes, but you you so you catch yourself 1035 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: doing that, so you have to you have to like 1036 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: learn to like sometimes get you still need to be 1037 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 1: watching them because you need to see you know. That 1038 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,439 Speaker 1: was the big thing about moving to New York, because 1039 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: like I would see people make it. I remember these 1040 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry getting passed at the Comedy Seller. Past means 1041 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: he's allowed to play there, and and he was was 1042 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 1: doing open mics with him, and then he's like, now 1043 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: he's playing at the Comedy Seller. And then he was 1044 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,320 Speaker 1: hosting the MTV Movie Awards and you're like what, So, 1045 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 1: like you need to be around it happened very fast, 1046 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: and you need to see that. I saw Bill Burr 1047 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: like Birds is almost entire. He was probably a ten 1048 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,279 Speaker 1: year comic when I moved to New York, and he 1049 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 1: was unbelievable. And so I watched him go from that 1050 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,320 Speaker 1: comic to the comic key is right now and so 1051 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,840 Speaker 1: and I've seen birds like my guy, Like that's the 1052 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,719 Speaker 1: guy that, like I I couldn't believe when I first 1053 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: saw him. I went to HBO one night Stand taping, 1054 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: and I mean he murdered so hard you could still 1055 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: the crowd like be like you know, like they were 1056 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,440 Speaker 1: like what what was that? Like what happened? Because they 1057 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 1: just they were laughing so hard and you were just 1058 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: like you just knew, like, oh, this is it's happening 1059 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 1: right now. This dude's about to shoot off on a 1060 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 1: rocket and become the guy he that he is right now. 1061 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: And so it was very neat to like see that stuff. 1062 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: Yes you have so now when I watch it now, 1063 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,320 Speaker 1: I will sometimes watch Old Bird specials if I but 1064 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 1: I'll do it to get motivated, Like I'll do it. 1065 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: I get very excited when I hear a joke like 1066 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: really working and a joke that's really funny. It gets 1067 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 1: you like all juice uff and you're excited and you're like, yeah, yeah, 1068 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 1: I want to create something like that. So you're not 1069 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 1: doing it like learns, I'm not, Like I'm not, you know, now, 1070 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't like what I would learn from like like 1071 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: I opened for Chris Rock and like so I would 1072 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: just learn from Chris, like you know, some of it's 1073 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,320 Speaker 1: just even how to be Chris Rock, Like you know, 1074 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,560 Speaker 1: some of it's you know, it's like how do you tour? 1075 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 1: What do you do like on the road, and like 1076 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, seeing how they you know, when you do theaters, 1077 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,320 Speaker 1: like you could just be asking them, like you do 1078 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,879 Speaker 1: an encore, do you do how do people come out? 1079 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,399 Speaker 1: Not that I'm at that level that those guys are at, 1080 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,440 Speaker 1: but you know you're just like asking them like some 1081 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: little questions like that. But for if I watched this special, 1082 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm a lot of it is motivation, Like it's just 1083 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: to like get you up and writing and like get 1084 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,440 Speaker 1: you excited again about like stand up. So when is 1085 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 1: the first time so you're you get married and uh 1086 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 1: and obviously your wife you probably give a shout out here, 1087 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,360 Speaker 1: has to be pretty supportive. I would imagine when do 1088 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: you start thinking, hey, like I like I'm getting so 1089 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 1: the career trajectories. You get on cone and you pull 1090 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: up and people have no idea who you are, but 1091 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,640 Speaker 1: you keep plugging away. I mean you're talking years now, 1092 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,800 Speaker 1: and you said initially your goal is to make twenty 1093 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,279 Speaker 1: dollars a year, and you know you're putting in years 1094 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,279 Speaker 1: to be able to get just twenty tho dollars a year. 1095 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,799 Speaker 1: And obviously this podcast called Wins and Losses and we're 1096 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,040 Speaker 1: talking to a parkassy. But you gotta get years in 1097 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,839 Speaker 1: to get to there. And that's what I say from 1098 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: a writing perspective, I had to put in years before 1099 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,400 Speaker 1: I made anything right writing online. I just didn't grind 1100 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: and grind and grind, And I feel like there's this 1101 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 1: idea that you're gonna be instantaneously successful. It really doesn't 1102 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,160 Speaker 1: happen like that for most people in comedy. No, it 1103 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,600 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. It takes them all. I mean Burr Louis 1104 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 1: c k Uh, you know some guys. You know, I 1105 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: think a lot of times it's either people make it 1106 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: like very young or like they're forty, and like that's 1107 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: when they that's just what it happens. That's when they 1108 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: make it. Like so, you know, I remember Bird tell 1109 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,440 Speaker 1: me something a long time ago, like he has some advice, 1110 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,320 Speaker 1: Like he was like he saw me and uh, this 1111 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: is one of the first times he saw me do 1112 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 1: stand up. This is like, you know, I'm prinds of 1113 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,080 Speaker 1: burn now, Like but like this is a longer where's 1114 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 1: a big deal When he like knew my name and 1115 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,359 Speaker 1: you're like you can't believe you know he knows you. Uh, 1116 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,640 Speaker 1: and everybody's like just keep doing it means they look 1117 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 1: it takes us. Is it takes comics like us a 1118 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: lot longer, but you, when you get fans, you get 1119 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,240 Speaker 1: them for life. And it was just like that advice 1120 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: of just like, yeah, you gotta keep doing this, but 1121 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 1: when you get new fans, they will stay with you. 1122 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 1: Like you're not You're not a flash in the pan. 1123 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: You're not getting people that are not invested in you. 1124 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 1: You're getting fans people that are discovering you. And then 1125 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: like I know it now when my on my show, 1126 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,200 Speaker 1: my live show, I say that there's a lot of 1127 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:33,960 Speaker 1: right when I started, I look, there's a lot of 1128 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,880 Speaker 1: pressure on me for this show to be good. I 1129 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,400 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of pressure on a lot of 1130 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 1: you because I know a lot of people introduce my 1131 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,240 Speaker 1: comedy to their friends and bring them to the shows. 1132 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: So this needs to go as good as for you 1133 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,920 Speaker 1: as it is it does for me. Are you never 1134 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,279 Speaker 1: going to suggest anything in that friendship ever? Yet? And 1135 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 1: then yeah, I say you. I was like they're really like, 1136 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 1: oh you heard about a new restaurant, and like as 1137 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 1: that neapor gets too good, I think we'll pass. Uh. 1138 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,920 Speaker 1: So it's like that's you know, but it's like I 1139 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: know that these people are invested, Like so when they 1140 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 1: come and they're fans of you. Like there there's a 1141 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: lot of them have been. I mean, I've got some 1142 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: people that have been there since two thousand and eight 1143 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,880 Speaker 1: and like they saw me alive a Gotham and then 1144 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,240 Speaker 1: they you know, and then it slowly just gets bigger 1145 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,719 Speaker 1: and bigger, and you just get people that like, you know, 1146 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: how do you I mean you probably know, like you 1147 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,160 Speaker 1: get fans, you know when sometimes when your fans become 1148 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,520 Speaker 1: your friends, because like you can't believe that somebody even 1149 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,640 Speaker 1: likes what you do. And then you end up like 1150 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,239 Speaker 1: talking to these people like you're like, oh, now I 1151 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,200 Speaker 1: like know them, like because they were they talked to 1152 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,320 Speaker 1: me when nobody knew who I was. And then you 1153 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,920 Speaker 1: end up like just kind of knowing them in your life. Um. 1154 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 1: So it's like you just you know, you slowly just 1155 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,440 Speaker 1: get these people and they become way more invested because 1156 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,760 Speaker 1: you're not you know, Seinfeld, You're not like a Walmart 1157 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,719 Speaker 1: or a Target. You're not just this gigantic thing You're 1158 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's I don't know, people are really rooting 1159 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 1: for you. And that's what I've learned is that you 1160 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,040 Speaker 1: want you want people of the root for you and 1161 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 1: so as people are rooting for you, you also then 1162 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,680 Speaker 1: have some awful I'm sure times. Like I I talked 1163 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,359 Speaker 1: about from a writing perspective, the worst thing that can 1164 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 1: happen to you for a writer is you have a 1165 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 1: book signing and nobody shows up right. And I think 1166 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000 Speaker 1: every single writer has had that opportunity happen right where 1167 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 1: you show up and you know you do like I 1168 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,440 Speaker 1: tell this, and I've talked about it before, like I 1169 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 1: had when I did dixieland Delight, my first book, I 1170 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,160 Speaker 1: drove down to Birmingham. I had a signing at Books 1171 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,040 Speaker 1: a Million on the north side of Birmingham and I 1172 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: showed up there and not one person bought a book 1173 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 1: and not one person showed up right. And I I 1174 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: love that. I would I would have paid good money 1175 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 1: to just sit and want you sit there for two 1176 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 1: hours at a Birmingham area. I mean I did a 1177 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:54,200 Speaker 1: book signing. Everybody, Yeah they're like and and by the way, 1178 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 1: I wrote a book about SEC football in Birmingham, which 1179 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: is like the most hardcore market imaginable right for college football. 1180 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,880 Speaker 1: It's not like I was trying to sell, you know, 1181 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: like something that the market had no interest in. And 1182 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 1: I did like book signings at dead at Walmart, like 1183 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,960 Speaker 1: not even I tell people, not even the good Walmart. 1184 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,040 Speaker 1: Like there's good Walmarts if you if you are you 1185 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 1: know your neighborhoods, like there's like, oh, that's the good Walmart, 1186 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 1: right like I did. I did bad Walmarts and Knoxville 1187 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,280 Speaker 1: and you know, like there's just like fat people with 1188 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, carts full of diet dr pepper and you're like, hey, 1189 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: you interest didn't read you know, a book too, and 1190 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: you're I mean you're there for like an hour. You 1191 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: don't want to leave because like you know, I I 1192 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: don't want to look like a diva. But you're just like, 1193 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a long time to be here, right, 1194 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 1: And so I'm sure for comedians you guys all have 1195 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 1: experiences like that too, right where you show up and 1196 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,680 Speaker 1: like there's nobody there or there's one or two people 1197 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,520 Speaker 1: and you're like you just want to sit at the table. 1198 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you my routine, you know, like, well you 1199 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 1: have a beat. I had the hairline Carolines on Broadway. 1200 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,000 Speaker 1: They were doing my first headlining thing. They gave me 1201 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 1: they would do these like uh, they would give like 1202 00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,920 Speaker 1: the New York comics, like the guys that were kind 1203 00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:01,880 Speaker 1: of coming up. They give us like a Wednesday night 1204 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,760 Speaker 1: and it'd be like, we get a headline, Ney Bar 1205 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 1: gets I get a poster outside of Carolines on Broadway Club. 1206 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 1: Huge deal, and you're like, I can't believe this is happening. 1207 00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: And so I go downstairs and they they told me 1208 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,440 Speaker 1: and the audience that they don't have enough people and 1209 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,880 Speaker 1: canceled the show. They told us all together, and I 1210 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,120 Speaker 1: was just in the bar and they're like, there's no 1211 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,919 Speaker 1: show and I just have to walk out with these people. Um, 1212 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,800 Speaker 1: so you're yeah, you would get I mean, I mean 1213 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: I would said I performed for one guy once. Uh 1214 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 1: he wouldn't leave and I asked him to leave in 1215 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,320 Speaker 1: the microphone and he said no. And then uh, you 1216 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: would get two people, three people, four. I mean at 1217 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: the beginning, you're I mean six, You were like, this 1218 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,080 Speaker 1: is all starting to come together. It's happening. Uh. It 1219 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,880 Speaker 1: was unbelievable. And that that's why New York comics are 1220 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 1: the best, because you have I mean it's a hard 1221 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,080 Speaker 1: three to four years of just you know, because because 1222 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,800 Speaker 1: when they would run shows, they you would run a 1223 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,880 Speaker 1: show like you just be in a basement and it'd 1224 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,960 Speaker 1: be like eight o'clock and if you've got two people 1225 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,640 Speaker 1: to go down there, be free. And if you've got 1226 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,840 Speaker 1: two people to go down there, and then someone would 1227 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,200 Speaker 1: be like, hey, they're about to leave, and then you're like, well, 1228 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 1: then someone's got to go up and though someone would 1229 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,840 Speaker 1: go on stage for those two people, and then you 1230 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 1: would other people be out front trying to get more 1231 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,480 Speaker 1: people down there. You're just trying to get something started 1232 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,440 Speaker 1: so we can get a show. So yeah, you're regularly 1233 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,600 Speaker 1: performing in front of I mean, and you do gigs 1234 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,320 Speaker 1: like where you would uh I mean you you'd be 1235 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,439 Speaker 1: at a sports bar and they would like, not cut 1236 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,480 Speaker 1: the TVs off, and you would, you know, just the 1237 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: TVs are on like over your head and people don't 1238 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,880 Speaker 1: even know what show is happening. Uh, I mean this 1239 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,760 Speaker 1: is and it's just the norm. Like you just get 1240 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,240 Speaker 1: there and then they tell you like, I don't know, 1241 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,760 Speaker 1: last week was packed, I don't know what happened this week. 1242 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,200 Speaker 1: They always tell you that it happened the week before 1243 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,800 Speaker 1: it was like the greatest show they've ever had, and 1244 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: now it's the worst show. I remember doing the show 1245 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,480 Speaker 1: once at some Italian restaurant and the stage was in 1246 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,520 Speaker 1: the middle behind the bar. But when you stood up, uh, 1247 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,880 Speaker 1: no one could see you because of the wine glasses, 1248 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,919 Speaker 1: so no one could do your head. So you would 1249 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,959 Speaker 1: have to just like you would have to there's no chair, 1250 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,320 Speaker 1: you have to like just bend over and like talk 1251 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 1: to this crowd that you know, and no one's invested. 1252 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,600 Speaker 1: One show was in the people were in two different 1253 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,360 Speaker 1: rooms and you just stood in the middle so they couldn't. 1254 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,320 Speaker 1: But like when you're doing that, it feels like you're 1255 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 1: performing for your two different audiences. No one's laughing at 1256 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,840 Speaker 1: the same time. It's very weird. And you just and 1257 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean you do that all the time, and like 1258 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,680 Speaker 1: you would do it for like free food, like they're 1259 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,560 Speaker 1: like we're gonna pay, We're gonna be a free food 1260 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,760 Speaker 1: and you drive out there, uh you know and spend 1261 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,280 Speaker 1: all this gas money or whatever you're spending. You're just 1262 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 1: making no money. I just remember it was like that's 1263 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,640 Speaker 1: why the one thing good comments It was never about 1264 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,960 Speaker 1: the money for me, because if it was, I would 1265 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,280 Speaker 1: have never made it to this point because you just 1266 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,120 Speaker 1: can't have it be about the money at the beginning, 1267 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,560 Speaker 1: because you're gonna lose money. You're gonna just lose a 1268 01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,439 Speaker 1: ton of money. So if you not taking gigs because 1269 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,320 Speaker 1: of money, then you're not getting up enough. So I 1270 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,160 Speaker 1: just remembered, like, you know, you would get paid twenty 1271 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,240 Speaker 1: dollars if someone didn't pay me. I would just remember 1272 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,160 Speaker 1: thinking like this, if this twenty matters to me this much, 1273 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,680 Speaker 1: like I'm doing something I shouldn't even be doing this, 1274 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,240 Speaker 1: like if I'm like, dude, I need this twenty dollar. 1275 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,479 Speaker 1: Like you just keep a day job until you don't 1276 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,360 Speaker 1: have to. That's basically all you do. So how close 1277 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,840 Speaker 1: did you ever come to quitting? How many were there 1278 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 1: times you were like this is just not gonna happen 1279 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,720 Speaker 1: for me, or at least maybe not quitting, but like, 1280 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,880 Speaker 1: I've got to focus on something else. I gotta have 1281 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,720 Speaker 1: a different career goal. The only I never I never 1282 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,720 Speaker 1: thought I was gonna quit. I remember my wife when 1283 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,800 Speaker 1: we only had one conversation, she was like how much 1284 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,200 Speaker 1: She's like, how long would you do this? If before 1285 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,120 Speaker 1: it worked? Because it is it's five, seven, eight, nine years, 1286 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,320 Speaker 1: you're not making any money. Uh, And I mean I've 1287 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,120 Speaker 1: I told her. I was like, I'm not gonna quit. 1288 01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,920 Speaker 1: I was like I was like, I'm gonna do this forever, 1289 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,000 Speaker 1: so you know about very That's what I was telling 1290 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,480 Speaker 1: young comedians. If you have a girlfriend or a boyfriend, 1291 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,200 Speaker 1: if someone's like, you know, how long are you gonna 1292 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,040 Speaker 1: do it? Like you know, you need to be like, look, 1293 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,040 Speaker 1: this is what's happening, so either on board or you 1294 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,840 Speaker 1: can leave. But like, I'm not quitting this for you, like, 1295 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,960 Speaker 1: and you have to dive in that much and you 1296 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,680 Speaker 1: have to be like that up front about it. You 1297 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,760 Speaker 1: just have to trade up, you know. When God, I 1298 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,920 Speaker 1: just so many dudes, uh, they getting relationships and they're like, 1299 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,280 Speaker 1: my girl wants me to hang out on Monday, you know, 1300 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,720 Speaker 1: And it was like ridiculous to me that he was 1301 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,400 Speaker 1: like what are you talking about? Like you don't you 1302 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,120 Speaker 1: don't like, you know, sit there and be like, oh 1303 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,680 Speaker 1: oh oh that's cool. So you can't go out of 1304 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,959 Speaker 1: the show on Monday because your girl wants to watch 1305 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,680 Speaker 1: the Bachelor or something like. You're like, it's insanity, Like 1306 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,240 Speaker 1: you have to go out, So you have to just 1307 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 1: always like do that. The only time I would the 1308 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,080 Speaker 1: only thing I would have done that was crazy. My buddy, 1309 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,720 Speaker 1: I remember, for money, he went to this was in 1310 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,200 Speaker 1: like to only say, two thousand and eight was my year. 1311 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,960 Speaker 1: That was good. Uh. He went to Iraq and did 1312 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,440 Speaker 1: like he was a contractor where you would like he 1313 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,680 Speaker 1: worked in like the Camp Liberty or something, and they 1314 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,840 Speaker 1: were just like checking people in and out. And it 1315 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,520 Speaker 1: was like one of these gigs that you go over 1316 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,240 Speaker 1: there for like eight months and you can make like 1317 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 1: a hundred grand or something, but I don't remember what 1318 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,640 Speaker 1: it was because something like that, and they just you 1319 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,160 Speaker 1: go work there, but and then you come back. And 1320 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,800 Speaker 1: I almost did that because I thought if I could 1321 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,360 Speaker 1: go there for eight months make a hundred thousand dollars, 1322 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,760 Speaker 1: I could come back and then I wouldn't have to 1323 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 1: have a day job and I'll just you know. But 1324 01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,240 Speaker 1: I ended up not doing it, uh, which I'm glad 1325 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,080 Speaker 1: I didn't, because you know, you don't need to take 1326 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,040 Speaker 1: yourself out of something too when you're in it. That 1327 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,400 Speaker 1: was the only time I ever did something. When did 1328 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,960 Speaker 1: you file taxes and you were like, wow, I had 1329 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,280 Speaker 1: a really good year. Was there a dollar figure as 1330 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,120 Speaker 1: a comedian or you're like, boom, check this out. I 1331 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,120 Speaker 1: remember making fifty was fifty was a big number. And uh, 1332 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,800 Speaker 1: I remember twenty two. I remember like twenty, I remember twenty, 1333 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,800 Speaker 1: I remember fifty. Then it's like sixty, you know, and 1334 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,400 Speaker 1: then like you know, and then you get the point 1335 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,120 Speaker 1: when you I mean like you know, not talking all 1336 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,080 Speaker 1: about like when you get to you do an LLC, 1337 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,520 Speaker 1: Like when you get to that, and then you're like 1338 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,560 Speaker 1: that's insane, like you think you all you want is 1339 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,080 Speaker 1: like you're like, I just want to get like I 1340 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,160 Speaker 1: gonna make up a name that people have to write 1341 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,120 Speaker 1: these checks to me, and like you know, and so 1342 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,560 Speaker 1: you get to that point where you do it, so 1343 01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,760 Speaker 1: it all just starts getting like where it gets more 1344 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,640 Speaker 1: and more and then you have no concept of like 1345 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,000 Speaker 1: I have no you know, money, Like I have no 1346 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,600 Speaker 1: concept of any of this money like or like how 1347 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,840 Speaker 1: what to do like or anything. So it's all like new. Uh. 1348 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,680 Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, I would say it was like fifty. 1349 01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,360 Speaker 1: I remember making fifty and then sixty, you know, and 1350 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: then get into like sixty and I always just maybe 1351 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 1: these jumps and then you know where you're like, oh man, 1352 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,520 Speaker 1: I have like a regular job, Like you're like you know, 1353 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,240 Speaker 1: you can go eat, you take a cab home instead 1354 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,760 Speaker 1: of taking the train. Uh, And then you know and 1355 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,480 Speaker 1: then it all just kind of keeps you hope, it 1356 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,960 Speaker 1: just keeps building from there like a hundred You're like, 1357 01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:05,360 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is like the richest person alive. Uh. 1358 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,840 Speaker 1: You know if many earned, how many days a year 1359 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:14,000 Speaker 1: are you on the road as your career starts developing? Now? 1360 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:15,800 Speaker 1: When I was in New York, I stayed in New 1361 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:20,120 Speaker 1: York and then I moved to l A. Uh, I 1362 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,320 Speaker 1: moved on like this out of the money. This is 1363 01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,720 Speaker 1: my advice, the best advice I've ever read. Jerry Wintrob 1364 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,480 Speaker 1: had a great book. He was Elvis's manager and then 1365 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,800 Speaker 1: became a big producer, produced Ocean's eleven, all this stuff. 1366 01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,680 Speaker 1: He's a great book. And Uh, the best advice that 1367 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,000 Speaker 1: I've ever heard was he I remember in his book 1368 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,200 Speaker 1: he said he knew any time he was starting to 1369 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,800 Speaker 1: feel comfortable, it was time to make a change. And 1370 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,600 Speaker 1: I have like lived my life by that. When I 1371 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,040 Speaker 1: heard that, I moved to Los Angeles two months after 1372 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,520 Speaker 1: I read that, because I knew that I was comfortable. 1373 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,120 Speaker 1: I knew like I was in New York, I was 1374 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: getting up at all the clubs. I was not like 1375 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,360 Speaker 1: chasing anything in New York anymore. I was in late 1376 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,640 Speaker 1: night spots. You know, I could be making like I 1377 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,880 Speaker 1: was making probably like the round sixty grand a year 1378 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,880 Speaker 1: or something like that, you know, where You're like, all right, 1379 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,919 Speaker 1: I got a living in all this, and I knew 1380 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,240 Speaker 1: that if I stay here, next thing, I know, I 1381 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,920 Speaker 1: will be fifty calling in you know, calling in a vails, 1382 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, trying to make a thousand dollars a week 1383 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,680 Speaker 1: if I'm lucky, and uh so I knew at that point, 1384 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,120 Speaker 1: I was like, I need to go to afenses and 1385 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,400 Speaker 1: put myself in a situation that I'm not comfortable with 1386 01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,080 Speaker 1: that that then is going to make me like, you know, 1387 01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,840 Speaker 1: have to like work like now now, you know, Like 1388 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,280 Speaker 1: there I was like settled. I was like I went 1389 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,720 Speaker 1: up every single night. I wasn't fighting for these spots. 1390 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't having to hang out. And then I moved 1391 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,440 Speaker 1: to l A and then nobody knows me and I'm 1392 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,040 Speaker 1: back to you know, you're not at square one, but 1393 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,240 Speaker 1: you're you're you're starting your lower than what you just 1394 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,080 Speaker 1: left from. And then you're you know, you gotta go back. 1395 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,480 Speaker 1: Well and what was the other thing that's you said? 1396 01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,000 Speaker 1: What you said? Other than that, I don't even remember 1397 01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,080 Speaker 1: now because I got so the idea of once you 1398 01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 1: get comfortable, you gotta you gotta shake yourself off. It's 1399 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,240 Speaker 1: it's the best of advice I've ever heard. Man. Once 1400 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,600 Speaker 1: you I mean it's true literally and everything that uh 1401 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,480 Speaker 1: I've ever done. If I start feel uncomfortable, I I 1402 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,520 Speaker 1: mix it up and you do that until you're you know, 1403 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,599 Speaker 1: I mean, you really should never be comfortable. You should 1404 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,000 Speaker 1: always be like and like always like, oh, I need 1405 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,920 Speaker 1: to go to another thing and I come to you know, 1406 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,720 Speaker 1: I mean I'm starting to tour now, and like so 1407 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,240 Speaker 1: now these people are coming and then you know, then 1408 01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:32,840 Speaker 1: we you know, it was like doing this show that 1409 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,280 Speaker 1: I just did, that TV show, like doing that that 1410 01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,200 Speaker 1: was like a very thing that was uncomfortable, that made 1411 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,400 Speaker 1: me uncomfortable, and like, you know, we talked that. We 1412 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:44,800 Speaker 1: talked about that. Yeah. Yeah, alright. So so first of all, um, 1413 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,720 Speaker 1: when did we I came and watched your act And 1414 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,479 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of when it was. I think 1415 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,160 Speaker 1: we had you on the radio show that I did 1416 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,120 Speaker 1: in Nashville, right a couple of times back in the day, uh, 1417 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:57,840 Speaker 1: back in the day one or four five, you came 1418 01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:02,080 Speaker 1: with me to uh to third Man Records at the 1419 01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:07,280 Speaker 1: UFC Nashville event. That's right. I was town and uh, 1420 01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,720 Speaker 1: I saw my wife and I were out and we 1421 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,080 Speaker 1: were like we were trying to decide what we were 1422 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,920 Speaker 1: going to do, and we just in the fight. Yeah yeah, 1423 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,599 Speaker 1: and I said, hey, we're going to do a show. 1424 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,840 Speaker 1: We were doing a recording at Third Man Records, and 1425 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,240 Speaker 1: so I was like, we're going over there. We took 1426 01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:28,559 Speaker 1: a golf cart and drove over and you you absolutely 1427 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,640 Speaker 1: killed it. You were telling the story about going to 1428 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:35,960 Speaker 1: the North Carolina like the Guse or whatever. Yes, uh, 1429 01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,519 Speaker 1: and you know like you absolutely killed it. Like, I mean, 1430 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,639 Speaker 1: that's the tiny I don't know what a hundred people 1431 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,960 Speaker 1: there maybe in Third Man Records, like in their back room, 1432 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,759 Speaker 1: which is really cool. And so we saw that in person, 1433 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,120 Speaker 1: and then we stayed in touch for a little while, 1434 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, texting back and forth and everything else. Because 1435 01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:53,880 Speaker 1: you're a big we haven't even mentioned this, but you're 1436 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,599 Speaker 1: a huge Vanderbilt sports fan, right, I mean, for people 1437 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,439 Speaker 1: out there, I don't know, like, how big of a 1438 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,640 Speaker 1: Vanderbilt fan are you. I grew up and watching my 1439 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,519 Speaker 1: cousin Ronnie Bargetti coach at Vanderbilt in the basketball in 1440 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: the seventies and uh and then was the color commentator forever. 1441 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,280 Speaker 1: So we just grew up around Vanderbilt and my mom 1442 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,320 Speaker 1: works in a ticket office and uh, I've been my 1443 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,320 Speaker 1: vall State. My one experience. The one thing I did 1444 01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:23,480 Speaker 1: good at vall State. I gave a speech about Vanderbilt's 1445 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:29,160 Speaker 1: uh nineteen nineties six football season where we uh we 1446 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,640 Speaker 1: won five games, and I had and I had a 1447 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,840 Speaker 1: highlight reel of those games and it was uh and 1448 01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,200 Speaker 1: I just talked I knew every player, my favorite player 1449 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:42,240 Speaker 1: of Vanderbilts, Corey Chavis and uh and then so every 1450 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,800 Speaker 1: I knew every player at that point, and I'm like 1451 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,040 Speaker 1: just talking about Vanderbilt, and I just remember I was 1452 01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,439 Speaker 1: like very passionate about it. And it's like something I 1453 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 1: think back now with comedy, like you learned that, like, oh, 1454 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,479 Speaker 1: when you're really passionate, like then that's when people want 1455 01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,479 Speaker 1: to hear because they're like, this dude's way into this. 1456 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,960 Speaker 1: So like I would listen to you listen to anybody 1457 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,320 Speaker 1: if they care and uh, and so like I remember 1458 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,320 Speaker 1: just giving this speech, I showed like some of the 1459 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,800 Speaker 1: highlight thing and then then it showed up to that 1460 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,120 Speaker 1: LSU game where we got that was the year the 1461 01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,400 Speaker 1: land l Shoe where we had two delay of game 1462 01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,000 Speaker 1: penalties trying to go for two and then we got 1463 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,960 Speaker 1: an extra point blocked and lost the l S which is, 1464 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,960 Speaker 1: by the way, the story of Vanderbilt football in a nutshell. 1465 01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:26,360 Speaker 1: That was actually good Tennessee Tennessee for Yeah. Remember, I 1466 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,560 Speaker 1: mean I've watched all these games over the years. I 1467 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,040 Speaker 1: mean we're the same fun, have fun, expect to win. Yeah, 1468 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:37,760 Speaker 1: that was very Logan's fun. And then, by the way, 1469 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,160 Speaker 1: Wood he wouldn't offer, ended up working as a as 1470 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,519 Speaker 1: I hope he's still alive, but he was working on 1471 01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,280 Speaker 1: the destined toll bridge in Florida. Do you remember that? 1472 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:52,640 Speaker 1: Oh wow, you know what that does? Sounding my co 1473 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,519 Speaker 1: host on three h L back in the day, we 1474 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,400 Speaker 1: were going down to do the SEC spring meetings and 1475 01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,720 Speaker 1: he's like, he's Brent Doherty and he's like uh and 1476 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,719 Speaker 1: he he we we we met up and he was like, dude, 1477 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,360 Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe this. He's like, I just like, 1478 01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,160 Speaker 1: I just drove over the toll bridge and I looked down. 1479 01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,040 Speaker 1: The guy's got like a world, you know, like a 1480 01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,080 Speaker 1: super Bowl ring and it's what he wouldn't offer who 1481 01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,400 Speaker 1: used to be the head coach of Vanderbilt and he's 1482 01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,519 Speaker 1: now working in the toll booth at Deston, Like, I mean, 1483 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,120 Speaker 1: but have fun, expect to win. Uh you tell him 1484 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,679 Speaker 1: that that's what you should told him when you paid 1485 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:31,360 Speaker 1: him to win. What an amazing Yeah, but there can't 1486 01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,240 Speaker 1: be anybody else who's ever won a Super Bowl that's 1487 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,080 Speaker 1: worked at a toll booth before. But I mean literally 1488 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,559 Speaker 1: had a Super Bowl ring on working in the toll 1489 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:43,280 Speaker 1: booth one day sec I had SEC football coach. He 1490 01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,479 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I just like this job. But so 1491 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,360 Speaker 1: you go to like Memorial Jim, you would go to 1492 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,559 Speaker 1: all these different Vanderbilt athletic events when you were a kid. 1493 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah we we Uh we used to be to 1494 01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,280 Speaker 1: go on Vanderbilt's football field like you could just walk 1495 01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,439 Speaker 1: on it. Yeah. I remember going on it and like 1496 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,840 Speaker 1: playing football with like my parents. Yeah you know when 1497 01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,439 Speaker 1: we were really young, like they never had it locked up. 1498 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,439 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So I mean I would go. I mean 1499 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,120 Speaker 1: he know was I was basketball Drew. You know, I'm 1500 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,080 Speaker 1: a dreamatics around our age a little bit older, but like, uh, 1501 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, seeing all damn Ron Mercer when he was 1502 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,000 Speaker 1: going to maybe go to Andy. I asked him, Actually, 1503 01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,400 Speaker 1: I I golf with him, and I mean I told 1504 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,960 Speaker 1: my buddy, uh, when we were gonna get Adam saw 1505 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,599 Speaker 1: another guy to play basketball Belmont and he I grew 1506 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,439 Speaker 1: up with him, and so I told him, I go, 1507 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,000 Speaker 1: how long do you think will it'll take? Before I 1508 01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,120 Speaker 1: asked Ron Mercer how close he was to go to 1509 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,040 Speaker 1: Vandy and I didn't. I didn't make it off the range. 1510 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,519 Speaker 1: And I mean literally maybe the second sentence that to 1511 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,240 Speaker 1: the Ron Mercer was like, were you were you going 1512 01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,880 Speaker 1: to go to Vanderbilte And he said no, He said 1513 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,479 Speaker 1: he never was going to go to Vanderbille. Yeah. For 1514 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,400 Speaker 1: people who don't know out there, Ron Mercer is one 1515 01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,120 Speaker 1: of the greatest UH Nashville area basketball players of all time. 1516 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,759 Speaker 1: And obviously he became a lottery pick, went to Kentucky, 1517 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,200 Speaker 1: won a national championship up and Vanderbilt their board of 1518 01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,920 Speaker 1: admissions refused to admit him, and it was a huge 1519 01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,920 Speaker 1: story in Nashville, and the idea was, oh, he was 1520 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,800 Speaker 1: going to go there because he was friends with Drew 1521 01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,400 Speaker 1: Mott dramatics. They played together at a high school locally 1522 01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,320 Speaker 1: Good Past your high school and they were gonna go 1523 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,320 Speaker 1: together and it was gonna be like the greatest tandem ever. 1524 01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,280 Speaker 1: Vanderbilt basketball was gonna be incredibly relevant. And they didn't 1525 01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,160 Speaker 1: let him in. And so you asked him, I've never 1526 01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:24,720 Speaker 1: heard him like he said he was never gonna go. 1527 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,160 Speaker 1: He said he never was going to go. I mean, 1528 01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:31,439 Speaker 1: maybe they didn't let him in, but like, uh, he said, 1529 01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,840 Speaker 1: he said he was never going to go. Yeah, I 1530 01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,200 Speaker 1: mean he was the top high school player the country. Like, 1531 01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was going to be very insane. 1532 01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,960 Speaker 1: It's like Darius Garland actually went to Vanderbilt, like you know, 1533 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,920 Speaker 1: but he's he was that high of a level of 1534 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,760 Speaker 1: a player, So it didn't make complete sense. I mean 1535 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,760 Speaker 1: I watched him play in high school and in high 1536 01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,200 Speaker 1: school basketball, he was as good of a high school 1537 01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,760 Speaker 1: basketball player as you could possibly be. Like you went 1538 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,760 Speaker 1: and watched him play, and it was like watching I'm 1539 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,720 Speaker 1: trying to think of an equivalent outside of the world 1540 01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,200 Speaker 1: of sports. I mean, he was Lebron for Nashville, right, 1541 01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,519 Speaker 1: I mean, like that's how good he was in high school. 1542 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,439 Speaker 1: You watched him, and even if you didn't know anything 1543 01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,439 Speaker 1: about basketball, somebody could watch for like five minutes and 1544 01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,320 Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, that that guy is so 1545 01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,519 Speaker 1: much better than everybody else. Yeah. Um, and so you 1546 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,960 Speaker 1: grew up a Vanderbilt fan. And so the reason why 1547 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:22,960 Speaker 1: bring up the Vanderbilt thing is I'm circling back around. 1548 01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,559 Speaker 1: So uh, when we were finishing Walking in season one, 1549 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,160 Speaker 1: there is a hotel, the Intercontinental Hotel on Avenue with 1550 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,840 Speaker 1: the Stars in Los Angeles that overlooks the Fox lot. 1551 01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,719 Speaker 1: And so I was sitting at the bar they're talking 1552 01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,040 Speaker 1: to I think the Fox bet people who are now 1553 01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, running the betting universe, and I see you 1554 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,000 Speaker 1: walking in and you were checking in for how many 1555 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:50,080 Speaker 1: days at that hotel? You went went to the front 1556 01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,559 Speaker 1: desk because I've spent months at that hotel, maybe years 1557 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,080 Speaker 1: of my life now because working at Fox, like you're 1558 01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,080 Speaker 1: right there, you can just walk back and forth. And 1559 01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,880 Speaker 1: you checked in and they were like, oh, we got 1560 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,160 Speaker 1: you here for fifty days, Mr Barghassi. Yeah, and the 1561 01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,679 Speaker 1: lady says, the longest she's ever she's ever checked in, yeah, 1562 01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:11,240 Speaker 1: because she's never seen that. Yeah, fifty days. So uh, 1563 01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,439 Speaker 1: and so like then we hang out for a little 1564 01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,280 Speaker 1: bit and I've stayed there so many times, Like I 1565 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:16,599 Speaker 1: was like, Hey, you need to check out the room 1566 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,240 Speaker 1: that I always stay in. It's got the sun deck. 1567 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:19,880 Speaker 1: Like I'm giving you tips because you're gonna be there 1568 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:25,479 Speaker 1: for fifty days. We leave, uh, finished shooting season one 1569 01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,920 Speaker 1: of Locking In. Then we get like six weeks off. 1570 01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,040 Speaker 1: We come back to start the second season, and you're 1571 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,320 Speaker 1: still at the same hotel. And while you're there, you've 1572 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,599 Speaker 1: been doing this pilot, uh, the Nate Bargazzi show, which 1573 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,120 Speaker 1: they're filming on the Fox A lot. It's with Disney 1574 01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,760 Speaker 1: because Disney now controls a lot of the Fox A 1575 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,800 Speaker 1: lot because of the asset purchase and everything else. And 1576 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,639 Speaker 1: so you're like, hey, come by and check out the set. 1577 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,559 Speaker 1: And I gotta say, the set is unbelievable. It's set 1578 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,720 Speaker 1: at Nashville, and I mean there's a zany stage, but 1579 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,919 Speaker 1: all the details, like I was wown away. They basically 1580 01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,479 Speaker 1: built a Nashville house on its l a sound stage 1581 01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,720 Speaker 1: and we're walking around in all the details, like there's 1582 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,960 Speaker 1: a flyer for Titans tickets, there's like the mayoral election 1583 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,680 Speaker 1: was about to happen in Nashville. Like every detail is 1584 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:14,960 Speaker 1: so incredible. I mean my mind was blown by it. Yeah, 1585 01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,360 Speaker 1: it was it's how much detail they you know, the 1586 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,800 Speaker 1: people that put all that together. Uh, they're just it's 1587 01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,240 Speaker 1: like what they do and like, you know, I remember 1588 01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,439 Speaker 1: them talking to me about the house and like what 1589 01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,320 Speaker 1: do we want the house? Because the show is basically 1590 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,640 Speaker 1: and everybody loves Raymond. Uh so it's like every you know, 1591 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,160 Speaker 1: we have the parents and the parents on that Sevenie show. 1592 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,160 Speaker 1: The wife is Katie Adeleton and she was on the league. 1593 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,360 Speaker 1: Um and so like that they made us like when 1594 01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,400 Speaker 1: we were designing the house, it was like, how do 1595 01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:46,960 Speaker 1: you want to design? Like, you know, what do you 1596 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,840 Speaker 1: what's Nashville Like it's all this stuff that you You're like, well, 1597 01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,679 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know you know what stands 1598 01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,639 Speaker 1: out you know? Uh, but you slowly starting. I remember, 1599 01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,519 Speaker 1: and I don't wanted an island, and I remember I 1600 01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,000 Speaker 1: wanted to like the garage either to go everybody enters 1601 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,720 Speaker 1: through the garage in Nashville, like are a lot of 1602 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,080 Speaker 1: people you get your garage doors are open always and 1603 01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,880 Speaker 1: uh they you know, just this incredible detail. The lighting 1604 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,360 Speaker 1: guy he grew up in the South, but he made 1605 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:18,040 Speaker 1: the light the lighting look like Nashville lighting where it's 1606 01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,120 Speaker 1: humid and hot, and it's just like thicker, so like 1607 01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,320 Speaker 1: the airs thicker. So the lighting, like the sunlight looks 1608 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,599 Speaker 1: different than it would in California, So they may they 1609 01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:31,920 Speaker 1: make it all look like this crazy. Uh, they're just 1610 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,600 Speaker 1: just such a different thing. And it feels like a 1611 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's a real home, you know. 1612 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,240 Speaker 1: And so you're out there for all this time working 1613 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:45,160 Speaker 1: on this show and then you guys eventually do a 1614 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,720 Speaker 1: version of the show, like you tape a pilot, and 1615 01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,439 Speaker 1: I mean it's amazing, like how detailed it is and 1616 01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,679 Speaker 1: how everything is put together, and has there been any 1617 01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,960 Speaker 1: like you're sitting around now waiting to hear have you 1618 01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,040 Speaker 1: heard of any verdict on what the pilot looks like? 1619 01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,240 Speaker 1: Or has it been flipped put four together yet? Yeah, 1620 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,960 Speaker 1: I've seen it. Uh, I've seen it. We're editing it 1621 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,680 Speaker 1: and putting it all together now. So I watched it 1622 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,960 Speaker 1: a few times and then uh, we're no. We turned 1623 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,759 Speaker 1: it in shortly in uh week was two or something 1624 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,560 Speaker 1: like that, and then we give it to ABC and 1625 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,040 Speaker 1: then it's kind of out of our hands. So, uh, 1626 01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,360 Speaker 1: it's twenty three minutes. How many hours do you think 1627 01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:28,840 Speaker 1: you worked to put together one three minute pilot. Boy, 1628 01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,479 Speaker 1: it was those fifth I mean it's every day you 1629 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,120 Speaker 1: were doing something for those fifty days. I mean I've 1630 01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,120 Speaker 1: been you know, we started selling the show two years ago. 1631 01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,080 Speaker 1: So this show has been around for two years and 1632 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,280 Speaker 1: has been told no twice. And then we got very 1633 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:45,600 Speaker 1: stuck in the Fox Disney merger. Uh and because we 1634 01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,320 Speaker 1: were at Fox originally that we were at ABC and 1635 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,720 Speaker 1: then they got told o it again, and then my 1636 01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,759 Speaker 1: special came out and like just some other stuff happened 1637 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,639 Speaker 1: and then they were like, oh, let's let's try it again. 1638 01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,720 Speaker 1: And so you're I mean you're working on it the 1639 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,880 Speaker 1: all time. It changes. I mean we had casting. Casting 1640 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,960 Speaker 1: took like two months, um, and I'm then all the 1641 01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,800 Speaker 1: casting things, I'm like, you know, I'm who you're gonna get. Uh, 1642 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,880 Speaker 1: it's every It's every single day of your life. You're 1643 01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,360 Speaker 1: just like just absorbing and taking all this stuff in. 1644 01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,280 Speaker 1: And then you start writing. I mean you're in the 1645 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,479 Speaker 1: writer's room and you're in there for you know, you 1646 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,240 Speaker 1: could be in there for ten hours and you're just 1647 01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, and you write a script. I mean, how 1648 01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,439 Speaker 1: many times you change the script is? That's the thing 1649 01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,040 Speaker 1: that I'm most like always blown away because when you 1650 01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:34,840 Speaker 1: first write it, you think like, this is it, you know, 1651 01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,519 Speaker 1: like Seinfeld, like when George stands is like, this isn't 1652 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,160 Speaker 1: the show. So that's how you feel. Like you're just 1653 01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,080 Speaker 1: like this is it. It's perfect, and then it just 1654 01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:48,280 Speaker 1: changes to thirty times and you're blown away, you know, 1655 01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,360 Speaker 1: because you think it's good. And then the next day 1656 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,840 Speaker 1: you're like this is maybe the one. This is unwatchable, 1657 01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,760 Speaker 1: and then you you just go through these big extremes 1658 01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,120 Speaker 1: and like you know, as a comedian, you want to 1659 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,720 Speaker 1: put in jokes, but jokes just don't matter if they 1660 01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,880 Speaker 1: don't matter at the beginning, like the story really matters. Uh, 1661 01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,760 Speaker 1: So you and the jokes, I mean the jokes like 1662 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,120 Speaker 1: you're and then when we tape, because we do it 1663 01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,519 Speaker 1: in front of a live audience. The night we taped, 1664 01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you're getting they're giving you jokes and then 1665 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,479 Speaker 1: like if a joke doesn't really land, uh, then they 1666 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,560 Speaker 1: come and say, like we'll say this now, and you 1667 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,639 Speaker 1: change it up, and like you just kind of change 1668 01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,920 Speaker 1: it up on the fly, and uh, you know, and 1669 01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,000 Speaker 1: I've never done acting and this so I mean I 1670 01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,080 Speaker 1: was like I was doing meeting with an acting coach 1671 01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,760 Speaker 1: like you know, four to ten hours a week whatever 1672 01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,759 Speaker 1: I could do, and we would just like work on stuff. 1673 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,120 Speaker 1: I had a dialect coach there, uh because you know 1674 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,760 Speaker 1: with Southern people like I, I don't we don't say 1675 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:48,840 Speaker 1: words correctly. I really don't and I mumble, so you know, 1676 01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,880 Speaker 1: they he would like work with me, so they like 1677 01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,240 Speaker 1: how to say something like like well, like I was like, 1678 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,920 Speaker 1: if you say we will be right back, We're like, 1679 01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,880 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. And we tend to like throw 1680 01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:00,840 Speaker 1: an R in there because of the South doesn't really 1681 01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,240 Speaker 1: like use their jaw, and so we would spell it 1682 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,920 Speaker 1: on my script W I L L and I would 1683 01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:09,760 Speaker 1: just say we'll be right back, and if I said 1684 01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,800 Speaker 1: it like that, it sounded correctly. So we would go 1685 01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,040 Speaker 1: through and like you know, put those just to make 1686 01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,840 Speaker 1: sure I'm saying because I'm not trying to get rid 1687 01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:21,200 Speaker 1: of my accent, but you know some stuff that like 1688 01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,599 Speaker 1: no one knows what you're saying, dude, like no one 1689 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,680 Speaker 1: can understand it. And uh so yeah, it was I 1690 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,360 Speaker 1: mean it was every day. It was like you'd go 1691 01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,639 Speaker 1: in at like seven in the morning and I would 1692 01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,320 Speaker 1: go back to hotel one in the morning, and you 1693 01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,800 Speaker 1: just did that for a week because I was writing too. 1694 01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,040 Speaker 1: If you're acting, you're usually done about four and then 1695 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,720 Speaker 1: you go back the next day. So like, I mean, 1696 01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:47,400 Speaker 1: it's basically like, uh, I don't know, show production boot camp. 1697 01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:48,920 Speaker 1: I mean, is that a good way to describe it. 1698 01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean, because you're you're basically just going back and 1699 01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,479 Speaker 1: forth the whole time, and you're putting in these hundreds 1700 01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,200 Speaker 1: of hours and then you'll put together a finished product 1701 01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,240 Speaker 1: and then if they say yes, boom, you gotta do 1702 01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:02,639 Speaker 1: how many shows? Like you just mean? I mean that's yeah, 1703 01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:06,360 Speaker 1: you do. I mean it could be three the sixteen 1704 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,840 Speaker 1: thirties probably the most. And then uh so you just 1705 01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:11,920 Speaker 1: see what they want to order. I mean, there's so 1706 01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,760 Speaker 1: much of it plays to like where you would be, 1707 01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:18,439 Speaker 1: where you would be placed on in the an ABC's lineup. Um, 1708 01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,080 Speaker 1: there's a million different ways that different directions of this 1709 01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:23,960 Speaker 1: can go. But yeah, you learn a lot of stuff. 1710 01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,439 Speaker 1: I mean, like I learned, you know, like the TV 1711 01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,479 Speaker 1: just learned. How like specific I mean, you gotta be 1712 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,920 Speaker 1: careful when you say stuff, because I would say if 1713 01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,080 Speaker 1: I said something, I said I wanted a refrigerator a 1714 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,960 Speaker 1: certain way in the parents house, and then refrigerators there. 1715 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,320 Speaker 1: Then you're like, I don't like the refrigerator. I wanted 1716 01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,360 Speaker 1: a different way. And then they're like, you know, but 1717 01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,400 Speaker 1: like if you just even say that in passing, they 1718 01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,880 Speaker 1: like someone's doing it. And then you're like, oh, I 1719 01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,280 Speaker 1: gotta make sure when I say something, I really want it, 1720 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:57,360 Speaker 1: because like there's people here that will do that. They 1721 01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,320 Speaker 1: will get that, and they will get you whatever. You know, 1722 01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,960 Speaker 1: they're your job is to make sure that this house 1723 01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,760 Speaker 1: is believable. And you know, I mean they had newspapers 1724 01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:10,000 Speaker 1: from there. We're Williamson County or Davidson County newspapers. Yeah, 1725 01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,200 Speaker 1: like on the tables, so you would just know that, 1726 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,040 Speaker 1: you know. So it just so everybody like gets in 1727 01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:21,960 Speaker 1: the mood of you know what the show is. You're 1728 01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,920 Speaker 1: also a really unassuming you know, like I would say, 1729 01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,759 Speaker 1: totally normal guy. I like to think that that also 1730 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,800 Speaker 1: defines the way that I kind of carry myself. Right. Um. 1731 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:38,400 Speaker 1: I think Nashville in some way, I don't. I think 1732 01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,360 Speaker 1: Nashville in some way maybe is I mean, you're born 1733 01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,200 Speaker 1: and raised here. I was too. I think maybe it's 1734 01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,960 Speaker 1: a city that doesn't really kind of it's it's I 1735 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,160 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it's different now for kids who are 1736 01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,640 Speaker 1: growing up now, But it seems like a city where, uh, 1737 01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, like putting on airs is not really a 1738 01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,240 Speaker 1: thing people do, And so I think it tends to 1739 01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,400 Speaker 1: be a very normal, like middle of the road kind 1740 01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,160 Speaker 1: of place, at least in the era that we grew 1741 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,479 Speaker 1: up in. And I know, when I walked on that 1742 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,519 Speaker 1: Fox lot for the first time, I was like, holy hell, Like, 1743 01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,519 Speaker 1: what in the world am I doing being here? And 1744 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,559 Speaker 1: I'm on the Fox lot, you know, like doing our 1745 01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,000 Speaker 1: television shows or whatever else. I can't even imagine when 1746 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,960 Speaker 1: they build a version of the house that I live 1747 01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,760 Speaker 1: in in Nashville and the entire show is built around me, 1748 01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,120 Speaker 1: Like that has to just be a mind blowing experience, right, 1749 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:26,599 Speaker 1: it can't possibly feel real? No, it doesn't. I mean 1750 01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:31,920 Speaker 1: like it feels. I mean, you know, yes, I try 1751 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,360 Speaker 1: to ever make anything lost on me. I try to, 1752 01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:37,800 Speaker 1: uh you know, you just be nice to everybody and 1753 01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,000 Speaker 1: you appreciate it, and you you know, I mean you 1754 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,240 Speaker 1: just kind of like, yeah, you give off. I don't 1755 01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,120 Speaker 1: want anybody to think that they can't come talk to me, like, 1756 01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,640 Speaker 1: you know, because in that world they can, Like that 1757 01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,880 Speaker 1: world they that it is called the Naparkes Show. So 1758 01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,280 Speaker 1: and you get it in this world where you're like, 1759 01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,800 Speaker 1: I if I want an ice coffee in the morning, 1760 01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,439 Speaker 1: it's just there. When I get to like, I'm not 1761 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,240 Speaker 1: even as you know, like everything is like that. So 1762 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,680 Speaker 1: you try to always like be very aware that this 1763 01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:08,120 Speaker 1: stuff is happening and like then also being very appreciative 1764 01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,040 Speaker 1: and make sure that you're like saying that stuff because 1765 01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:12,800 Speaker 1: it is tough and there's a lot of stuff on 1766 01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,000 Speaker 1: your show. I mean, I mean I remember the night 1767 01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,439 Speaker 1: we take. I mean I almost cried before we take 1768 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,360 Speaker 1: because it was so overwhelming, Like it was you know, 1769 01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,439 Speaker 1: I started and I wanted to be sign film and 1770 01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,080 Speaker 1: then now I'm doing this sitcom and then you're like, 1771 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,880 Speaker 1: it's happen. You know, it's here. It's taken sixteen years, 1772 01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,599 Speaker 1: but it's happened. And then your name is on this thing. 1773 01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,599 Speaker 1: You're like, you know, when you when you think about 1774 01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,880 Speaker 1: you like, if I'm the only person that can't leave 1775 01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,640 Speaker 1: this show, everybody else can leave, I'm the only if 1776 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,920 Speaker 1: I stay, then we do this like I can't. You know, 1777 01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,000 Speaker 1: It's like I used to have a joke about quitting 1778 01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,639 Speaker 1: and staying in comedy. I was like, it's a weird 1779 01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,080 Speaker 1: job because there's no one. I don't have anybody quit too, 1780 01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,800 Speaker 1: Like I'm you know, I can't call Signfeld and be 1781 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,840 Speaker 1: like I'm out, Like there's nobody to quit too. And 1782 01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,400 Speaker 1: so it's a very weird kind of thing. And then 1783 01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:00,720 Speaker 1: you're doing this job now where you're like if I quit, 1784 01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,760 Speaker 1: all these people like don't work here now and they 1785 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,920 Speaker 1: have to go find different jobs and they have to 1786 01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,280 Speaker 1: go do different things. Uh so he yeah, it was, 1787 01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,479 Speaker 1: it was. It was wild, and but you also got 1788 01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,960 Speaker 1: to do a good product. You gotta do a good thing. 1789 01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the best way that I feel like we're 1790 01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,840 Speaker 1: doing this show is you always want to go like, 1791 01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:23,519 Speaker 1: this show would change my life if it goes, it 1792 01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,840 Speaker 1: would change about what life wildly. But that being said, 1793 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,840 Speaker 1: if I didn't have this show, I'm gonna be fine too, 1794 01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,240 Speaker 1: Like you always want to get to that point to 1795 01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,600 Speaker 1: where you go you want to almost when you do 1796 01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,360 Speaker 1: a show you want to like is then you can 1797 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,880 Speaker 1: work on it being like, hey, I don't need this 1798 01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,920 Speaker 1: show and like and it is, I think it gives 1799 01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,479 Speaker 1: a better product instead of being like please let me 1800 01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,320 Speaker 1: I need this show so bad, Like you know that 1801 01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,759 Speaker 1: was like when you're doing spots when you're making twenty dollars. 1802 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:51,960 Speaker 1: I never wanted to be like I have to have 1803 01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:53,880 Speaker 1: this twenty dollars and I'm not going to eat tonight 1804 01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,160 Speaker 1: like you just you know you. I'd have a day job. 1805 01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,200 Speaker 1: I would figure a way out. But like to do 1806 01:27:58,320 --> 01:27:59,640 Speaker 1: in this show is that you'd like to get to 1807 01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,680 Speaker 1: a point we're like, look, I don't need this if this. 1808 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,280 Speaker 1: If this doesn't go like, I'm gonna be fine. I'll 1809 01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,120 Speaker 1: keep doing my stand up. That being said, I want 1810 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,439 Speaker 1: this show to go more than anything. Yeah, I I 1811 01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,720 Speaker 1: absolutely do. But it's nice to be able to do 1812 01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,240 Speaker 1: it and not have the weight of my life depending 1813 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,439 Speaker 1: on this show. I get it completely now. Um. And 1814 01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,000 Speaker 1: it's also wild to be when when you guys turn 1815 01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,600 Speaker 1: it in to be at the beck and call of 1816 01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,960 Speaker 1: your phone when you don't know when you're gonna get 1817 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,120 Speaker 1: the word right, Like I remember before Locking got picked 1818 01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,599 Speaker 1: up right, I did a bunch of pilots with Fox 1819 01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:39,320 Speaker 1: on the Fox Sports a lot, and you don't necessarily 1820 01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,639 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. I did two different OutKick 1821 01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,320 Speaker 1: shows and you do it, you think you put a 1822 01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,120 Speaker 1: good product out there, and then things can change. Like, right, 1823 01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:48,920 Speaker 1: you mentioned that you got caught up in the Fox 1824 01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,280 Speaker 1: Disney uh you know interlude. Well, you know, they changed 1825 01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,040 Speaker 1: the leadership of Fox Sports, and so there's different people 1826 01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,800 Speaker 1: making decisions, and you know, it's like it's like being 1827 01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,439 Speaker 1: a player on a on a franchise, right, the coach 1828 01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,559 Speaker 1: likes you, the coach is gonna be able to maybe 1829 01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,040 Speaker 1: build around you and like they create a system for 1830 01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,519 Speaker 1: you and everything else. Or you're just some other guy, 1831 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, another recruit and they're like, yeah, I don't 1832 01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,519 Speaker 1: really think this guy is gonna execute my game plan 1833 01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,280 Speaker 1: that well. And so but when you're waiting on that stuff, 1834 01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,920 Speaker 1: it's like every time your phone buzzes you like skip 1835 01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,320 Speaker 1: over right, You're like, oh my god, is this what's 1836 01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,599 Speaker 1: the new? We're going to get a three window? You're like, oh, somebody, 1837 01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:26,280 Speaker 1: and Beverly, who is this gonna be? Is this gonna 1838 01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,200 Speaker 1: be it? Um? And so it's it's a crazy process 1839 01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:30,760 Speaker 1: to be in, but it's a good spot to be 1840 01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,439 Speaker 1: in where you're like, if it happens, that's awesome. I 1841 01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,280 Speaker 1: want it to happen more than anything. But if it 1842 01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:39,680 Speaker 1: doesn't happen, my world's not gonna end. Yes, it's that, 1843 01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,040 Speaker 1: and that's what you want to do. Do you want 1844 01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,320 Speaker 1: to you want to build yourself up to be like 1845 01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,320 Speaker 1: you always want to be in control, especially in something 1846 01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,120 Speaker 1: like this, uh, like something that's not the norm. Uh 1847 01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,040 Speaker 1: maybe even it is the norm. Yeah, it feels nice 1848 01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,160 Speaker 1: to be in control, to be like, all right, I've 1849 01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,120 Speaker 1: created this thing. That's why I'm staying up so good. 1850 01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,160 Speaker 1: That's why I'm so glad I'm not an actor. An 1851 01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:02,760 Speaker 1: actor's entire life is just waiting, just waiting to see 1852 01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,680 Speaker 1: if you get something. You're either you're either gonna make 1853 01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:10,200 Speaker 1: zero money or maybe ten million dollars, like it's you know, 1854 01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,439 Speaker 1: it's like you and you're just always waiting for that 1855 01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:16,240 Speaker 1: kind of like saying you're either not famous now you're 1856 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,800 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise like you know, it's like and you're just 1857 01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,240 Speaker 1: always waiting. Like so I'm glad like to have that 1858 01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:25,000 Speaker 1: outlet to be with stand up. That's why I stuck 1859 01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,880 Speaker 1: with stand up. Like I knew a lot of guys 1860 01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,160 Speaker 1: in their starting people would do like different videos or 1861 01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,519 Speaker 1: different this or different that, and then they would do 1862 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,519 Speaker 1: stand up and I was like, well, I should just 1863 01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,760 Speaker 1: be great at one thing, Like if I could be 1864 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,880 Speaker 1: great at one thing that opens doors to everything. But 1865 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,160 Speaker 1: if I'm but if I'm just whatever, if I'm like, 1866 01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, also being like well I do this, and 1867 01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,000 Speaker 1: I do that, and I'm making these sketches and I'm 1868 01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:50,720 Speaker 1: trying to like, you know, see what lands It's like, well, 1869 01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,840 Speaker 1: that's not gonna you know, it says Steve Martin, be undeniable. 1870 01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,960 Speaker 1: That's what he That's what he always said. That's what 1871 01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,960 Speaker 1: you gotta get to be undeniable, and then all the 1872 01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,160 Speaker 1: doors will open because you're bringing something to the table. 1873 01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,120 Speaker 1: Then if I never got this show before and it 1874 01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,680 Speaker 1: was like like it was brutal because it was I 1875 01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,320 Speaker 1: couldn't I probably couldn't have handled this show. But now 1876 01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,240 Speaker 1: it's nice to get it and then you're like, oh, yeah, 1877 01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, you're actually bringing something to the table, like 1878 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,760 Speaker 1: you actually have an audience and fans. You know, we're 1879 01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,880 Speaker 1: talking to a BARGATSI. This is wins and losses. It's 1880 01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,040 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting, like the reason why I haven't given 1881 01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,160 Speaker 1: up writing. A lot of people who start doing radio 1882 01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,920 Speaker 1: and start doing TV, they decide, you know, I'm not 1883 01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,840 Speaker 1: gonna write anymore because writing is tough. I've continued to write. 1884 01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,000 Speaker 1: But it's funny you mentioned that because I remember the 1885 01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,160 Speaker 1: first time I went out to Fox they had a 1886 01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,280 Speaker 1: Terranea Resort, which is a fabulous place out in l A. 1887 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,320 Speaker 1: And they had everybody who's on Fox Sports was showing 1888 01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,120 Speaker 1: up because it was the launch of f S one, 1889 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,320 Speaker 1: and so like there's Troy Aigman, and there's Jimmy Johnson, 1890 01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:49,720 Speaker 1: and there's Michael Strahan and like every famous person you 1891 01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,360 Speaker 1: can think of that's ever been associated with Fox Sports, 1892 01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:54,599 Speaker 1: Aaron Andrews, who at least I knew a little bit, 1893 01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,920 Speaker 1: Joe Buck, you know, like all these just massive, huge, 1894 01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,800 Speaker 1: famous people. And I remember having like an almost mini 1895 01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,720 Speaker 1: panic attack because I'm there and I'm like, oh my, 1896 01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:07,240 Speaker 1: what am I doing here? Like I feel like, you know, like, 1897 01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,599 Speaker 1: am I sure, I'm thirty, you know, three or whatever 1898 01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:11,280 Speaker 1: I am. But I'm like at that point, I had 1899 01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,800 Speaker 1: been working, you know, for a long time to kind 1900 01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,639 Speaker 1: of get an opportunity there, but I was like, I don't, 1901 01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,120 Speaker 1: am I supposed to be doing television? Like, and so 1902 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:20,439 Speaker 1: what I was getting at with the like the Nate 1903 01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:22,560 Speaker 1: Bargatsky Show is and I think this is very l 1904 01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,759 Speaker 1: A and Hollywood related. It's very hierarchical. So you mentioned 1905 01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,800 Speaker 1: like if I want an ice coffee, it's gonna show 1906 01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:33,240 Speaker 1: up there. Uh. Trying to treat everybody the exact same 1907 01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,360 Speaker 1: has always been. I think I think maybe that's a 1908 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,439 Speaker 1: Nate Nashville trade at least of our generation, Like, is 1909 01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,920 Speaker 1: something that I try to aspire to do, whether it's 1910 01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:43,960 Speaker 1: the twenty two year old p A who has just 1911 01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,160 Speaker 1: started or you know, the president of a network. And 1912 01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,719 Speaker 1: it's just it's it's such an overwhelming experience that sometimes 1913 01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,160 Speaker 1: you're like, you know, I don't know, do you understand 1914 01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:55,479 Speaker 1: what I'm meaning? Like, it's it's just it's such it's 1915 01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:59,719 Speaker 1: even hard to quantify, sir. Yes, Like yes, like growing 1916 01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,240 Speaker 1: up like learning to be nice like that, and then 1917 01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,439 Speaker 1: and then whatever level you're at, you treat everybody like 1918 01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,200 Speaker 1: that and everybody just wants to work with you. Everybody 1919 01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,679 Speaker 1: would just and eventually when you get higher, like it's 1920 01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:18,160 Speaker 1: like the work experience is wonderful because everybody feels like, oh, 1921 01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:20,960 Speaker 1: it's a nice place to work. Do what you mean? 1922 01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,280 Speaker 1: Like growing up like yeah, it's like you're just you're yeah, 1923 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,600 Speaker 1: you're just like like growing up here, you know, we 1924 01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:32,639 Speaker 1: grew up. It's you know, it's just everybody's normal. Everybody's 1925 01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,840 Speaker 1: doing their own thing, and you just like everybody's very 1926 01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,320 Speaker 1: polite and nice to people, which I always think naturals 1927 01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:42,760 Speaker 1: to something. I think it's too nice, Like that's like 1928 01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:44,519 Speaker 1: you know, how to like where it's like no one 1929 01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,479 Speaker 1: do driving, no one's going, no one's hanking, and it's 1930 01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,920 Speaker 1: like a nightmare because you're like everybody's being too polite 1931 01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,439 Speaker 1: and like, you know, get people are not even like 1932 01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:56,200 Speaker 1: near like they're pulling out of a store, Someone's like, nah, 1933 01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,320 Speaker 1: come on out. You're like they're not even up there yet, 1934 01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:03,760 Speaker 1: but they want to let that person go. Uh. But it, yes, 1935 01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:07,840 Speaker 1: it translates into like regular business where it's you're you know, 1936 01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:11,200 Speaker 1: you just are more appreciative and then people are willing 1937 01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,519 Speaker 1: to help more, which produces the best product. Yeah, and 1938 01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:16,439 Speaker 1: I guess I should say like people may be listening 1939 01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,000 Speaker 1: to this right now and they're like, like, Travis, you're 1940 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,479 Speaker 1: a total asshole, And I don't think that's true. But 1941 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,160 Speaker 1: I certainly don't think that's true for people that I 1942 01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,600 Speaker 1: work with. Right Like, I'm in the opinion business, so 1943 01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:29,479 Speaker 1: sometimes I might have to be you know, brusque, and 1944 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,639 Speaker 1: certainly in social media or my radio show or television 1945 01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:34,719 Speaker 1: or whatever else in the way I deliver my opinion. 1946 01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,120 Speaker 1: But it's important to me that the people that I 1947 01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:40,080 Speaker 1: work with like don't hate their job, right. In fact, 1948 01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:41,960 Speaker 1: they like hanging out and they have a good time 1949 01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,160 Speaker 1: and it's a good environment. And I could tell, even 1950 01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,400 Speaker 1: in the limited amount of time that I've spent around you, 1951 01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,000 Speaker 1: that your show would be like that. All right, we've 1952 01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:49,479 Speaker 1: been talking for a while. I want to get to 1953 01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:52,920 Speaker 1: just a couple more things. What's the impact of Netflix now? 1954 01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,160 Speaker 1: Like for a comedian, what did getting your special on 1955 01:34:56,320 --> 01:35:01,040 Speaker 1: Netflix do for your career? How important is that? Uh? 1956 01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:03,400 Speaker 1: It's huge? I mean it changed. Uh that was the 1957 01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:07,240 Speaker 1: first big changed, uh in my career. And I did 1958 01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:09,080 Speaker 1: the half hour on the Stand Ups are right at 1959 01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,000 Speaker 1: that point, I already did an hour on Comedy Central 1960 01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:15,240 Speaker 1: and Conversation was always great. But they aired my special 1961 01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:17,160 Speaker 1: on my hour on Conversational They aired it the same 1962 01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,439 Speaker 1: night of the Mayweather packy off fight, like it was 1963 01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:23,600 Speaker 1: I didn't even watch it. I watched the fight like 1964 01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:28,599 Speaker 1: nobody watched it. So when that happens, the conversationals consent 1965 01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:30,880 Speaker 1: us make it. You know, they don't re air it 1966 01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,120 Speaker 1: a thousand times, so people cannot even know that I 1967 01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,479 Speaker 1: even have that. And then so when I went to 1968 01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,160 Speaker 1: a half hour Netflix, at first, I was like, I 1969 01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:39,680 Speaker 1: don't want to go down. I just did an hour. 1970 01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to go to a half hour. And 1971 01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:45,320 Speaker 1: I knew Netflix was this big force and stand up 1972 01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:47,639 Speaker 1: and so I knew. I was like, look, I'm gonna 1973 01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:50,559 Speaker 1: get more people probably see that. If I'm lucky, then 1974 01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,720 Speaker 1: I would. And so I did a thing called the 1975 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,680 Speaker 1: stand Ups and it was like six of us and 1976 01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,439 Speaker 1: we all did a half hour, and uh so that 1977 01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,800 Speaker 1: was the first thing. And that was pretty immediate, Like 1978 01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,360 Speaker 1: I remember the first time on the road, maybe two 1979 01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,320 Speaker 1: weeks after it aired on Netflix, Like my shows were 1980 01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:09,960 Speaker 1: like it wasn't the like Fried, Like Saturday Night was 1981 01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:11,920 Speaker 1: sold out and I could tell they knew who I 1982 01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,800 Speaker 1: was and they were there for that reason. So like 1983 01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:17,920 Speaker 1: you just you know, it's it's not crazy when you 1984 01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,960 Speaker 1: slowly start building. And then I did that hour special 1985 01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,920 Speaker 1: and it was you know, and and then and now 1986 01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,000 Speaker 1: it's jumped to a very big like now we're doing 1987 01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:30,040 Speaker 1: theaters and uh, you know, I just said Salt Lake 1988 01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,720 Speaker 1: and Denver and you walk out and everybody knows you 1989 01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,680 Speaker 1: and the crowd is excited when you walk out, and 1990 01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:38,160 Speaker 1: it's because Netflix, because you're staying up just stays up there. 1991 01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:41,719 Speaker 1: It's just always sitting there, and so people flip around 1992 01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:44,360 Speaker 1: Netflix and then they catch you and they're like, oh, 1993 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,240 Speaker 1: I think I heard about this guy. I always said, 1994 01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,439 Speaker 1: you want to be the guy like remember when you 1995 01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:50,040 Speaker 1: go to conty clubs and you could be like, oh yeah, 1996 01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:51,559 Speaker 1: I think I know who that guy is. Like that's 1997 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:55,560 Speaker 1: your first like thing. It's just to be that like 1998 01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:57,360 Speaker 1: where you're like, oh yeah, I think I know who 1999 01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,599 Speaker 1: that guy is and then you just keep going forward. 2000 01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,000 Speaker 1: But net for is uh. I mean it's given stand 2001 01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:04,960 Speaker 1: ups where they just can do stand up comedy there, 2002 01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,880 Speaker 1: we have to do other things so well. And this 2003 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,360 Speaker 1: may be the last question, So I'm just kind of 2004 01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,240 Speaker 1: fascinated by the process. So you have an hour, let's say, 2005 01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,600 Speaker 1: Stand Up Special. Do you feel obligated to let that 2006 01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:20,599 Speaker 1: hour disappear and like not do that material again? As 2007 01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,800 Speaker 1: probably millions of people will see it on Netflix and 2008 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:26,560 Speaker 1: yes they love it, But do you feel an obligation 2009 01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:29,200 Speaker 1: to go back and recreate something new or do you 2010 01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:33,559 Speaker 1: keep those jokes and keep them forever? Like Seinfeld, for instance, 2011 01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:35,679 Speaker 1: would be a guy who if he has a joke 2012 01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,600 Speaker 1: that he really likes and he's refined it and he 2013 01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:39,400 Speaker 1: uses it, he'll use it over and over and over 2014 01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,439 Speaker 1: again at his stand up act. Are you what is 2015 01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,120 Speaker 1: your process now, Like when you do a full hour 2016 01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,880 Speaker 1: special on Netflix, is it your idea that like, Okay, 2017 01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,880 Speaker 1: that's gone and now it's time to go back to 2018 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,040 Speaker 1: the to the drawing board and come up with new stuff. 2019 01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,240 Speaker 1: Or do you think you'll use this stuff from a 2020 01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,080 Speaker 1: one hour special for the next fifteen years, ten years 2021 01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:00,439 Speaker 1: of your career or whatever it may be. Yeah, it's gone. 2022 01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,400 Speaker 1: It's like, so now when I go out on tour, 2023 01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:07,240 Speaker 1: I do an hour of new stuff and then and 2024 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,040 Speaker 1: then I've been doing like an Encore, I come out. 2025 01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:12,400 Speaker 1: I'll do ten minutes of old jokes, some more from 2026 01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,840 Speaker 1: my old time in Central special. I'll do like ice 2027 01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,240 Speaker 1: coffee with milk is like my big joke could really 2028 01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:19,880 Speaker 1: so like I'll do like that kind of stuff. But yeah, 2029 01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:23,160 Speaker 1: it's gone. I mean like when you first you know, 2030 01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:25,519 Speaker 1: I'll do the same act until it goes on something. 2031 01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,559 Speaker 1: You do the same act for as long as you can, 2032 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:31,160 Speaker 1: and then once you especially when people are now coming 2033 01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:33,760 Speaker 1: because of you. If you look, they could they can 2034 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,160 Speaker 1: even say they want to see that old stuff, and 2035 01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:38,920 Speaker 1: they could think I wish you would do you know, 2036 01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:43,400 Speaker 1: but you will lose people dramatically if you do not 2037 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,360 Speaker 1: create new things. If you if they go and see you, 2038 01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,160 Speaker 1: and you know, right when the special comes out, you're 2039 01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, I was probably like four, I could do 2040 01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,880 Speaker 1: forty new minutes, and he's got on all of that's great, 2041 01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:59,800 Speaker 1: But I could do like forty new minutes. Uh and 2042 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,080 Speaker 1: and I would maybe have to do twenty from the special, 2043 01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:04,519 Speaker 1: and then you slowly get that out. And so now 2044 01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,400 Speaker 1: I do like an I can do an hour do 2045 01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,519 Speaker 1: and I would say thirty of it is could be 2046 01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:12,400 Speaker 1: special worthy, and then the front thirty is kind of 2047 01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:14,519 Speaker 1: like you know, some of the stuff I've even said 2048 01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,720 Speaker 1: on this talking to you, like the Conan story, Like 2049 01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,960 Speaker 1: I'll just tell some stories and you whatever, just like 2050 01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,840 Speaker 1: some filler at the beginning, just like trying to be 2051 01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,080 Speaker 1: funny and making it funny, and then like and then 2052 01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,560 Speaker 1: I'll slowly just be working in new stuff until I 2053 01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,720 Speaker 1: could have that whole new hour. So you have to 2054 01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,240 Speaker 1: turn it over. If you don't turn it over, I mean, 2055 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,559 Speaker 1: Louis c. K started, I don't think guys like they're 2056 01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,479 Speaker 1: trying to put out special every year, and I always 2057 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,200 Speaker 1: thought that was too much, Like no one needs that. 2058 01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:46,360 Speaker 1: Uh So, I think it's like, you know, you probably 2059 01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,599 Speaker 1: every two to three years, you know, depending on what's 2060 01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,760 Speaker 1: going on in your career. If I get this show, 2061 01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,639 Speaker 1: then I'll probably back off completely and like I'll probably 2062 01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,200 Speaker 1: just hang on to this hour I have just so 2063 01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,160 Speaker 1: I can tour with it. If I'm working on the show, 2064 01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,920 Speaker 1: I would just hang onto my new hour and wait 2065 01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:05,160 Speaker 1: to put it back out because I don't need to 2066 01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:07,320 Speaker 1: put a special because I will have a TV show. 2067 01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:11,280 Speaker 1: Uh But if your creative energy is being poured into 2068 01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,880 Speaker 1: trying to do the television show as opposed to understand, 2069 01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:16,840 Speaker 1: it's different mindset. Yeah, it's just as completely different like 2070 01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,240 Speaker 1: how you create like when I yeah, when you're creating jokes, 2071 01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,880 Speaker 1: you're like thinking of stories and stuff like this, and 2072 01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,160 Speaker 1: when you're creating a show, you're I'm thinking of like 2073 01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,519 Speaker 1: the parents that you know. Different, it's just a different 2074 01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:31,080 Speaker 1: kind of mindset and uh so, yeah, so I would 2075 01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:33,200 Speaker 1: just I would just dive into that and give that 2076 01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:37,920 Speaker 1: and then stand up just kind of hold back, hold 2077 01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,120 Speaker 1: this new hour, and that way I could still too 2078 01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:43,880 Speaker 1: or some to just kind of keep active. Uh, but 2079 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,760 Speaker 1: I have an hour that no one sees. But if 2080 01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:47,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't, if this show doesn't go, then I'll probably 2081 01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,320 Speaker 1: shoot to try to take a special the end of 2082 01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:54,160 Speaker 1: May and try to you know, have that come out. 2083 01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,160 Speaker 1: Probably would be like the next one, and then that 2084 01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:01,000 Speaker 1: would be like that would be like two years. Uh, 2085 01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:03,800 Speaker 1: you do a special every two or three years. All right, 2086 01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:06,320 Speaker 1: So in thing here, first of all, I think the 2087 01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:09,360 Speaker 1: pilot's gonna get picked up. So I I think it will, 2088 01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:11,720 Speaker 1: and if it doesn't, at some points canna happen. But 2089 01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,799 Speaker 1: if the Nashville Show pilot gets picked up, my request 2090 01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,960 Speaker 1: to you is, I want to play myself at some 2091 01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:20,840 Speaker 1: point on the show. Can you allow me to have 2092 01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:23,400 Speaker 1: a line or two at some point when the pilot 2093 01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,160 Speaker 1: gets picked up and you've got multiple episodes where I 2094 01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:29,720 Speaker 1: have in some way a role on the show, yes, 2095 01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:35,400 Speaker 1: Well you do this wins and Losses podcast where the losses, yeah, 2096 01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:38,080 Speaker 1: or I can you know, be in some way just 2097 01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,680 Speaker 1: right in a reason and that also gives you a 2098 01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,519 Speaker 1: reason to talk about sports on the show too. But 2099 01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,400 Speaker 1: it can be golfing. It can be something related, but uh, 2100 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:51,400 Speaker 1: that's my only We'll see it's a big request. Your 2101 01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:54,280 Speaker 1: only request is to be on a network sitcom. That's it. 2102 01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:58,320 Speaker 1: Not a recurring role, just like I got to do. 2103 01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,960 Speaker 1: They they had me on Blue First of all, I 2104 01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,200 Speaker 1: can't act, so they had me on Blue Mountain State. 2105 01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,240 Speaker 1: I got to play myself on Blue Mountain State. I 2106 01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:08,320 Speaker 1: didn't know anybody created with Blue Mountain State, and I 2107 01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,120 Speaker 1: got to come on and play myself. So I don't 2108 01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:14,040 Speaker 1: think it's an landish request, but it is a yeah, yeah, 2109 01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean well and yeah, two mass Right Park guys, Yes, 2110 01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,920 Speaker 1: I'll get you. We have on the show. The odds 2111 01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,800 Speaker 1: would have been low on two people playing baseball Moss 2112 01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:29,880 Speaker 1: Right Park. Uh working on the Fox lot in Los Angeles. Uh, 2113 01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:33,600 Speaker 1: if if we've been setting off, not that not that 2114 01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,200 Speaker 1: one of those teams made it to the uh Little 2115 01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:40,040 Speaker 1: League World Series, just through the roof from that for 2116 01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:43,360 Speaker 1: that to end, uh to end up working on the 2117 01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,560 Speaker 1: Fox a lot at the same time. All right, so 2118 01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,200 Speaker 1: this has been fantastic. Uh, you can go follow Nate. 2119 01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:50,680 Speaker 1: Your Twitter handle is just at Nate Barghassy right now. 2120 01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,240 Speaker 1: I'll tweet it out obviously, when this podcast goes up, 2121 01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:56,040 Speaker 1: but encourage people to go check out the Netflix special 2122 01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:59,200 Speaker 1: and hopefully, like when if the pilot gets picked up? 2123 01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:00,680 Speaker 1: Is that something you just weed out. I don't have 2124 01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:02,439 Speaker 1: any idea how that works, so you're just like, hey, guys, 2125 01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:04,479 Speaker 1: I've got to teach that show now, Like so just 2126 01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,240 Speaker 1: watch your Twitter feed and that's how you'll be announced. Yeah, 2127 01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,599 Speaker 1: I'll be announced in the Uh. I definitely, we would 2128 01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:15,879 Speaker 1: definitely be letting everybody know. So yeah, that's understanding. Awesome, man, Well, congrats, 2129 01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:18,800 Speaker 1: I've loved it. The congrats on all the success and 2130 01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:21,360 Speaker 1: it's awesome to get to watch and I appreciate all 2131 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,400 Speaker 1: the time. Today I think people are gonna love this. Yeah, man, 2132 01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:26,680 Speaker 1: thank dude. I appreciate it too. If you enjoyed this, 2133 01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm Clay Travis is Wins and Losses podcast. We talked 2134 01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,000 Speaker 1: to people about the wins and losses in their careers 2135 01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:32,720 Speaker 1: and how they ended up where they did. Uh. You 2136 01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:34,639 Speaker 1: can go listen to this one. Obviously you just did. 2137 01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,360 Speaker 1: And there's lots of others, whether it's Colin Cowherd, Jason Whitlock, 2138 01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,360 Speaker 1: Kirk herb Street. We've had some fun convos. So I 2139 01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:42,720 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it, Don Clay, Travis and this has 2140 01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:43,799 Speaker 1: been wins and losses