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That's good too. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.080 Let's see, Rob, do you want to kick us off 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.840 today by reading back this message from Michael about the 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.119 Thing's fingers or is it the thing or just thing? 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.040 I think he's the thing, Marvel's the Thing aka Ben 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:14.000 Grimm of the Fantastic Four. Yeah, we heard from Michael 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.160 in response to this is one of the Monster Fact 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.560 episodes I've been doing on the theme of monsters and 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:24.080 sort of monstrous things in the Marvel comic universe. Michael 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.520 writes in and says, hey, guys, I just finished listening 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.720 to the episode about the Thing and his fused fingers. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.759 I'm really loving these Marvel monster episodes. Being a comic 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.520 book fan of many years. I'm not going to go 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.280 through all the content of the Monster Fact episode, but 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.320 basically one of the things ended up looking at was 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.679 this idea that when Ben Grimm was a human, he 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.840 of course had five digits on each hand, and then 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:56.080 he goes through this cosmic radiation bombardment he becomes the Thing, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:01.800 the sort of stone plate covered bruiser of a superhero, 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.400 and lo and behold, now he has four digits on 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:08.160 each hand, and the book that I referenced speculates that 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:13.600 the end digit of that hand would contain the fused 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:19.240 bones or the fused fingers anyway of digits four and five. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.400 So anyway, this is what Michael has to say on 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.880 the matter. I also speculate I compared this to a 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.519 few different animals where there's some level of fusing of digits. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.720 While listening, I couldn't help myself but to force my 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.480 ring and pinky finger together so I could picture what 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.040 the thing's hand would look like under all that rock, 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:44.840 much like I remember doing as a kid, also with 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.720 my index and middle fingers, so that I could have 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.600 the hands of a ninja turtle. In doing so, I 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.160 could definitely see how making a good old clobber and 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.280 fist would still be possible. I found it awkward to 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.960 open and close my hand with my outer two fingers 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.720 held together like that, based solely on how it felt 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.160 for me. The gripping and dexterity would seemingly decrease with 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.360 two fingers fused to each other, although I don't see 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:12.080 dexterity as one of Ben Grimm's prime attributes. I kept 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.519 thinking about it though, through the other examples you gave, 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.000 and I think it holds up that two sets of 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.959 bones in a single digit would not be something used 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.280 for gripping. The kangaroo going from climbing to jumping seems 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:29.200 applicable if the toes were previously separated when it was 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.680 an animal that climbed regularly. Then by the time it 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.920 was hopping, it could be better to put those toes 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.760 together permanently best. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.760 Michael, Sorry, I'm still laughing about the idea of dexterity 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.480 being one of Ben Grimm's prime attributes. Like the thing 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.120 has to do a sleight of hand check. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.160 Yeah, yeah, I mean, like I did read that. It's 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.560 something in the comics where he often can't use technology 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.160 correctly because he doesn't have these big, clunky digits and 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.880 doesn't have the same number he had when he was 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.000 human and so forth. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.160 ultimately it's you know, it's a silly thing in a 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.760 comic book that we needn't think too much about, but 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.920 it is kind of fun to speculate, like what what 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.720 purpose could that serve? If there is any purpose to 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.640 have this, uh, this fused digit. On the hand, there's 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.320 not nothing directly comparable to the thing in the natural world, however, 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.760 but like some of the examples I looked at, there 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.400 there are the there's a you know, there are different 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:30.200 hypotheses regarding a fuse digit on certain species having being 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.400 connected to some sort of arboreal lifestyle at some point 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:38.000 in their evolution or grooming like a grooming digit, So 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.000 I didn't explore that so much that it could be 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.560 a grooming digit for for bonding with the other members 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:43.520 of the Fantastic Four. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:50.600 I see, like picking lice off of mister mister Fantastic Doctor. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.120 Is there one that's called. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.960 I think yeahs for the stretchy guy. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.240 Yeah, yeah, okay, because I don't think you'd have to 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.279 pick lice off of the fire guy. He could just 0:04:58.320 --> 0:04:59.039 burn it off. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.320 Well, yeah, unless I don't know, there's some stuff I 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.120 was reading about there being like this layer between him 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.640 and the fire. So yeah, I don't know. I don't 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.560 know if you would actually be able to like superheat 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.960 his own parasites off or not. It's a is it 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.440 something probably hasn't been explored in comic books all that much. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.520 A very special episode The Fantastic Four get Lice? Yeah, 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.039 all right, let's see. Do you mind if I do 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:31.880 this follow up from a previous listener mail from Chuck Yeah, okay, 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:36.680 subject line follow up from my January listener mail past 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:41.400 Live's book Rob you remember this one? About this listener 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:46.000 found a book that related to the studies we had 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.920 cited about about people who stare into the mirror long 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.160 enough tend to start having hallucinations and imagine that they're 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:57.240 they're seeing different kinds of monstrous features and stuff in 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.599 low light. I think it was low light conditions and 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:06.440 prolonged staring tends to cause hallucinations and otherwise typical individuals. Okay, 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.760 from there, I think Chuck does a recap of what 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:17.480 his other message was. Chuck says, Hello, Robert, Joe, and JJ. 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.200 I hope you're all well. I happen to be in 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.920 my local library today in San Diego when I stumbled 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.440 across the book I told you about months ago. To 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.120 refresh your memory. This is in regards to the mirror 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:35.039 experiments and the connection to quote exploring Past Lives. You 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.640 happen to read my email in early January of this 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.919 year where I remembered reading some book when I was 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.359 young about a technique to stare at a mirror in 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.320 dim light to see what you may have looked like 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:52.960 in past lives. So the book is called Your Past Lives, 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:57.880 a Reincarnation Handbook by Michael Talbot. I've attached photos of 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.039 the front and back cover. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:06:59.560 Rob. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.360 I've got the in the documents so you can scroll 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.120 down and look at them if you like. Chuck goes 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.679 on to say, the publishing date is nineteen eighty seven 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:11.120 and the author's photo is very very eighties. Yeah, he 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.360 seems like he'd be like the rival for the love 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.640 interest of the protagonist in an eighties action movie. You know, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.000 He's like the other guy who maybe she's going to 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.920 end up with, but she doesn't anyway. Chuck goes on 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.480 to say. The mirror meditation is mentioned on pages one 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.960 oh five to one oh six. The author states that 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.960 he discovered this technique quote quite by accident, and which 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:39.600 can be astonishingly effective. He also states that quote various 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:43.800 other researchers have also employed this technique, no mention of 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.200 who those people are. The actual procedure is incredibly similar 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.360 to the one used in the scientific studies done later, 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:55.040 including dim lighting and concentrating on your own reflection. Here's 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.440 the fun part, listed straight from the book. I guess 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.480 Chuck is quoting the book here A word of caution. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.679 During this meditation, you may see some extremely dramatic changes 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.720 take place in your features. This can be quite frightening. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.760 Only perform a mirror meditation if you feel completely comfortable 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.280 with this prospect. At any point during meditation, if you 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.920 become disturbed by seeing your own features change, simply endo 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.720 your meditation and turn a light on and the process 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.600 will stop. And then Chuck continues his message. Now, I 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.000 am glad I was not just relying on a false 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.440 memory from decades ago, but it's odd to me that 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.240 this particular memory stuck. Additionally, I was wondering if you've 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.760 considered an episode or two about current scientific ideas that 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:43.160 may have been previously inadvertently explored and accidentally achieved interesting 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.359 results by people who were definitely not using the scientific method. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.520 Then again, many of your topics do touch on this already, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.120 e g. Ideas believed in folklore that turn out to 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:58.119 be true for reasons completely different than the original believed reason. Apologies, 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.680 this paragraph was not elegantly worth. Oh you did find, Chuck, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.960 Chuck says. Anyways, thanks for your time, Keep up the 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.679 great work. Sincerely, Chuck from San Diego PS High five 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:14.120 to Chuck five. The other listener mail Chuck, I think 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:15.240 we've had several. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:16.600 Number of chucks number of checks. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.280 Yes, But anyway, to come back to Chuck's email, this 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.040 does sound interesting because it sounds like outside the context 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:27.040 of these like psychology experiments where you know, in perception 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:31.560 and hallucination, where scientists discovered you could do this technique 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:36.160 to pretty reliably cause hallucinations. Somebody totally outside that context 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:40.000 also discovered the same thing that by like lowering the 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.200 lights and staring in the mirror for a long time, 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.440 you can see changes to your face and see all 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.480 kinds of interesting stuff. Except I guess he's saying that, 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.160 like he thinks this is containing genuine revelatory information. 0:09:52.920 --> 0:10:03.439 Hmm, fascinating. All right, Well enough about that, Let's get 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:08.439 to the pokemons. Oh I guess yeah, this is actually 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:12.320 this is a response to the dream episodes we recently did. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.680 But Matt listener Matt via Discord wrote in with the following, 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.200 HI had a couple of thoughts on the Dream Fall 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.200 into the Dark Part four episode, which featured the Baku. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.160 First off, I'm surprised that Drowsy wasn't mentioned, given Rob's 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:31.320 son has weighed in as the Pokemon expert in past episodes. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.800 It's a taper resembling Pokemon that eats dreams and is 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:40.360 explicitly referred to as being a descendant of the Baku 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:46.640 image below, and Matt included a picture of Drowsy, and yes, 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.880 now that I look at him, yes, I'm familiar with Drowsy. 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.959 I've seen Drowsy in different forms on some of the 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.840 different Pokemon cards, and I probably even read the description 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.080 that he eats dreams and completely forgot about it when 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:00.640 getting into the Baka research. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.079 I think I have, at least in this image, I'm 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.240 interpreting Drowsy as having yellow paint spilled over half of 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.520 his body. It kind of looks like it's dripping down him. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.800 Yeah, it does kind of have that color scheme going on. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.920 Matt continues on a more personal note. The name Baku 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.880 stirred some funny emotions in me, as that was the 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.840 name of my security blanket at the age of about two. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.360 Apparently I could not say blanket yet, and Baku was 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.680 the best I could manage. I couldn't go to sleep 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.160 without it. So while I didn't have a Baku print 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.120 pillow or a Baku skin to wrap myself in, my 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.480 sleep was aided by a Baku, which I thought was 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:37.959 an interesting coincidence. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:39.679 Yeah, that is interesting. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.880 PS. One notable difference is that it seems to eat 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.800 nice dreams rather than nightmares, which doesn't seem quite as helpful. Yeah, 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.200 that's a good point. It depends how you think about 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.880 the eating of dreams, Like maybe that nice dream is 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.360 something you want to carry with you into the day 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.760 and oops, here comes Drowsy to snatch it up. But 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.200 I don't know, it depends on how you think about that. Now, 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.520 after this struck my attention, of course, looked Drowsy up 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.920 in one of my son's Pokemon books, and I was curious, well, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:14.240 what does Drowsy evolve into? Because the evolutions of the Pokemon, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:19.640 that's half the point, right. Indeed, Drowsy evolves into hypno 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:24.440 hypno like a lot of the evolutions while the while 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:29.560 Drowsy is cute and huggable, hypno is as the kids say, 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.680 a little bit sus he's got his own energy going 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:34.080 on here. 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.880 What does that that mean? He's a little, a little dangerous, 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:37.600 a little sketchy. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:42.400 Yeah, he's a little suspect. He's got this big like 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:48.880 sort of human like nose and pointed cat ears. He's slimmer, 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:53.400 and he's carrying some sort of hypnotizing apparatus, some sort 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.839 of medallion on a string. Yeah, he looks he looks 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.920 like he's not up to something good here. 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.240 What is this white ruffle around his neck? That's not 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.520 a beard, is it. That's like it goes around his 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.160 neck like an Elizabethan collar. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.600 Yeah, it's kind of like that, like a fluffy Elizabethan collar. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.160 It's like we're looking at Christopher Marlowe or something. 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.520 As far as I can tell, there's no evolution past 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.240 this one though, so I guess we're fortunate. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.120 Okay. Then after this, we've got an email from Taylor 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.160 that actually mentions this Discord post by Matt. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:29.720 Yes, it opened the floodgate. 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.960 Taylor says, Hello, Robin. Joe loved the dream Fall into 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.760 the Dark series. After listening to part four, I was 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.480 itching to write you about a few Pokemon based on 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.320 the Baku. I noticed that Matt from the Discord had 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.640 already pointed out the dream eating Drowsy, but the poke 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.040 well is deep and has plenty of space for a 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.960 few more dream monsters. Matt correctly noted that the pokemon 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.520 Drowsy and its grown up form Hypno differ from Baku 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.160 in that they eat good dreams, not nightmares. In fact, 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.400 the pokemon Hypno goes so far as to abduct children 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.920 whose dreams are particularly good, presumably to keep the children 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:17.120 asleep and feast on their dreams. That's that's more than 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:18.120 sus that's sinister. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:19.000 Yes. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:25.560 Later games also introduce the pokemon Mana and Musharna, two 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:30.240 monsters who more directly mirror the Baku. These pokemon eat 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.560 good dreams and nightmares alike, and don't kidnap anyone. After 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.000 Mna or Musharna has eaten a dream, they excrete a 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:43.960 psychically charged mist from their foreheads. Good dreams yield pink mist, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.160 and nightmares yield black mist. As with the Baku, a 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:53.200 dream eaten by Manna and Musharna is forgotten by the dreamer, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.640 but Muna and Musharna also pull a reverse Baku. It 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.560 is said that the dreams or nightmares have awaken person 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:05.800 who inhales their mist become a reality. Oh all right, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.200 so this one, This looks kind of like a floral 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.760 print Kirby, sort of a cross between like Kirby and 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:13.840 a water bear. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.480 Yeah, they're kind of egg shaped. They're not as distinctive 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:22.400 as as as drowsy for example. So I mean, yeah, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.520 I don't think I've ever seen this guy on a 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:25.240 T shirt. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.360 Taylor goes on a few other Pokemon delve into the 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:33.080 domain of dreams. The wraith like Pokemon Dark Cry defends 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:39.000 itself by dropping trespassers on its territory into nightmare filled comas. 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.760 Oh wow. A person afflicted by dark Rise Nightmare Sleep 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:51.080 can only be healed with the feather from its counterpart, Crysalia. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.800 Yes. Now, I'm not familiar with with the with the 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:00.000 with the first guy, but Chris Chrysalia or Chrysalia. Uh, 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.800 this one, I think is one that my son really 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.000 likes and has drawn before Chrysalea. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.760 It kind of looks like the Lockness Monster, but crossed 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.480 with a faery with pink wings. 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.520 Yeah. It's like a splendid space pheasant or something. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.720 Yeah. Yeah, and it also has a sort of a 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:23.520 bunch of Banana's swoop haircut crescent moon shaped haircut. Anyway, 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.960 Taylor goes on to say, while the Pokemon franchise is 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:30.800 primarily targeted at children, it's rich with fascinating and sometimes 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:35.400 shockingly dark monsters. My childlike adoration for the franchise has 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.160 never left me. I also can't write in about dream 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.280 monsters without making reference to the Slake Months from China. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:48.160 Mieville's Perdido Street station talking about them too much would 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.880 spoil major plot reveals from the book. But if you 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.320 are fascinated by dreams and dream monsters, I couldn't recommend 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.000 a better novel than Perdido Street Station. I hope you've 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.800 enjoyed what has not been my first and will not 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.160 be my last, Pokemon themed email. As a closing note, 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.640 I think there's something too Joe's theory about spatial reasoning 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.960 and dreams. I play a lot of video games, and 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.639 I find that the ones with the greatest dream relevance 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.600 are those focused on manipulating objects in space. I've had 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.280 quite a few dreams about Tetris and map based strategy 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.439 games like Fire Emblem. I don't know what that is. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.119 H Taylor finishes by saying, may the Baku devour your nightmares. 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.920 Taylor, Oh wow, it seems possible. Then with the Pokemon 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.520 card game, you could have an entire deck of just 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.600 maybe just dream based creatures, and then you could also 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.480 just expand that to sleep as well and throw a 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:42.840 few snore Laxes in there. 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.119 What does snorlax do? Just put you to sleep? 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:45.520 Now? 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.120 He sleeps, He just sleeping. He beats you by sleeping. 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.000 He's great, he just sleeps, Yeah, sleep him to beat him. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.320 Yeah, I have. You know, I've only watched a few 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.840 of the Pokemon cartoons. There's one I watched with my 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:03.280 son that has like a like a jungle narrative and uh, 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.080 and that one was that one was actually really good. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.600 I had a lot of it was like a movie 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.359 and it had some almost mia Zakis qualities to it, 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.520 and I like that one a lot. But uh, he 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.760 showed me like one random episode and it was just 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.000 some of the weirdest stuff I'd ever seen. It was 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.800 it was, It was great. So there's some I think 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.479 it's it's easy to sort of dismiss the Pokemon franchise. Uh, 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.680 you know, it's just sort of video game silliness. But yeah, 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.879 there there are a lot of dark monsters, and I 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.960 keep hearing about darker ones here, and there's a lot 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.879 of just really weird choices that go into the franchise 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:39.880 or have gone into it over the years. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.320 I was just thinking about how I have no idea, 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:48.159 uh if Pokemon will still be an age relevant obsession 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.480 when my daughter's old enough to get into things like that, Like, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.679 do I have Pokemon in my future or did she 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:54.600 just miss the wave. 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.600 I don't know. Yeah, it's curious the way that nostalgia 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.320 bumps go on the things, But I don't know. It 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.120 seems seems like it's a big enough deal that it's 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:08.280 probably still going to be around. So we'll see, we'll see. 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.439 Maybe one day i'll know them all. I'll be the 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.399 one saying like, oh, yeah, that's going to be your snore. Lax. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.679 All right, here's another. When this one comes to us 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:20.640 from Jim. I'm not sure which gym. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.600 This is one of the gyms not in the New 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.120 Jersey gym right right. 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:34.600 This gym sends us an email titled time Traveling Vampires. Hey, guys, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.480 I've been wanting to bring this up for a while. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.439 In your discussion on Dracula, time traveling seems like the 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.480 best time to talk about this. In the late sixties, 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.240 there was a supernatural soap opera called Dark Shadows. It 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.400 had a vampire named Barnabas Collins. In seventeen ninety five, 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.240 he became a vampire through a witch's curse. His father 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:55.400 was going to put a stake through his heart, but couldn't, 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.720 so instead he chained Barnabas up in his coffin in 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.320 the late nineteen sixties and let him out. Eventually, he 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.800 overcame the curse and became human again, But a year 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.720 or two later, some ghosts started haunting the family home. 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:11.679 The solution was to go back in time and prevent 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:16.159 the people from becoming ghosts. To do that, Barnabas used 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.120 the eaching to travel back one hundred years. He astral 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:25.480 projected to a hall with eaching hexagrams on different doors. 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.240 He had to find the one that had the hexagram 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.960 called change. When he found it, he opened the door 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.280 and saw the coffin he was imprisoned in for two 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.399 hundred years. He had to become a vampire again to 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.520 solve the crisis. Thanks for letting me vent, Jim. 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.479 Is that venting? Okay? Thanks for sharing. I don't think 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.960 I fully understood the last part there. Wait, how did 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:50.720 becoming a vampire again fix the ghost issue? I think 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:52.080 I've missed something here. 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.800 That I'm not entirely sure either, But there does seem 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.719 to be some sort of a time travel and changing 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:02.200 the timeline in order to deal with the situation. It 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:06.600 sounds complex and a little bit ludicrous, so I like it. 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.720 I remember seeing episodes of Dark Shadows on I think 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.680 they showed them on Sci Fi Channel back in the day, 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:18.000 and I remember like digging the vibe, but never Maybe 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.359 I just wasn't patient enough to get into the show 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.560 because I remember it feeling kind of slow paced but 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.600 has all the elements that I would love and of 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.480 course I like, you can't help it, like Barnabas Collins. 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.480 Yeah, I've never seen it. I think I recall having 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.720 a friend whose mom was really into it. That's about 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:36.680 as close as I've come. 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.840 Well, anyway, Jim, thanks for writing in and letting us 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:45.000 know about this incident of vampire time travel. We just 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.159 we need to be made aware of all time travel 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:52.080 incidents involving Dracula or any other major vampire. All right, Well, 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:53.560 on that note, we're going to go and close out 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.960 this episode of Listener Mail, but we'll be back next 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.359 Monday with more listener mails to read. We have a 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.879 backlog of them to get to, and you all just 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.719 keep sending neat, neat and thoughtful stuff into us, so 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:10.360 keep it coming. We love hearing from everyone. 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