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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: My name is Robert Lamb.

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Speaker 3: Let's see, Rob, do you want to kick us off

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Speaker 3: today by reading back this message from Michael about the

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Speaker 3: Thing's fingers or is it the thing or just thing?

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Speaker 2: I think he's the thing, Marvel's the Thing aka Ben

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Speaker 2: Grimm of the Fantastic Four. Yeah, we heard from Michael

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Speaker 2: in response to this is one of the Monster Fact

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Speaker 2: episodes I've been doing on the theme of monsters and

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Speaker 2: sort of monstrous things in the Marvel comic universe. Michael

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Speaker 2: writes in and says, hey, guys, I just finished listening

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Speaker 2: to the episode about the Thing and his fused fingers.

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Speaker 2: I'm really loving these Marvel monster episodes. Being a comic

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Speaker 2: book fan of many years. I'm not going to go

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Speaker 2: through all the content of the Monster Fact episode, but

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Speaker 2: basically one of the things ended up looking at was

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Speaker 2: this idea that when Ben Grimm was a human, he

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Speaker 2: of course had five digits on each hand, and then

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Speaker 2: he goes through this cosmic radiation bombardment he becomes the Thing,

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Speaker 2: the sort of stone plate covered bruiser of a superhero,

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Speaker 2: and lo and behold, now he has four digits on

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Speaker 2: the end digit of that hand would contain the fused

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Speaker 2: bones or the fused fingers anyway of digits four and five.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, this is what Michael has to say on

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Speaker 2: few different animals where there's some level of fusing of digits.

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Speaker 2: While listening, I couldn't help myself but to force my

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Speaker 2: ring and pinky finger together so I could picture what

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Speaker 2: the thing's hand would look like under all that rock,

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Speaker 2: much like I remember doing as a kid, also with

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Speaker 2: the hands of a ninja turtle. In doing so, I

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Speaker 2: could definitely see how making a good old clobber and

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Speaker 2: fist would still be possible. I found it awkward to

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Speaker 2: held together like that, based solely on how it felt

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Speaker 2: for me. The gripping and dexterity would seemingly decrease with

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Speaker 2: two fingers fused to each other, although I don't see

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Speaker 2: dexterity as one of Ben Grimm's prime attributes. I kept

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Speaker 2: thinking about it though, through the other examples you gave,

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Speaker 2: bones in a single digit would not be something used

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Speaker 2: for gripping. The kangaroo going from climbing to jumping seems

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Speaker 3: Michael, Sorry, I'm still laughing about the idea of dexterity

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Speaker 3: being one of Ben Grimm's prime attributes. Like the thing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like I did read that. It's

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Speaker 2: ultimately it's you know, it's a silly thing in a

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, unless I don't know, there's some stuff I

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Speaker 3: A very special episode The Fantastic Four get Lice? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: all right, let's see. Do you mind if I do

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Speaker 3: this follow up from a previous listener mail from Chuck Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: subject line follow up from my January listener mail past

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Speaker 3: Live's book Rob you remember this one? About this listener

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Speaker 3: found a book that related to the studies we had

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Speaker 3: cited about about people who stare into the mirror long

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Speaker 3: enough tend to start having hallucinations and imagine that they're

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Speaker 3: they're seeing different kinds of monstrous features and stuff in

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Speaker 3: prolonged staring tends to cause hallucinations and otherwise typical individuals. Okay,

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Speaker 3: from there, I think Chuck does a recap of what

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Speaker 3: his other message was. Chuck says, Hello, Robert, Joe, and JJ.

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Speaker 3: I hope you're all well. I happen to be in

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Speaker 3: my local library today in San Diego when I stumbled

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Speaker 3: across the book I told you about months ago. To

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Speaker 3: refresh your memory. This is in regards to the mirror

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Speaker 3: experiments and the connection to quote exploring Past Lives. You

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Speaker 3: happen to read my email in early January of this

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Speaker 3: in past lives. So the book is called Your Past Lives,

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Speaker 3: a Reincarnation Handbook by Michael Talbot. I've attached photos of

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Speaker 3: the front and back cover.

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Speaker 2: Rob.

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Speaker 3: I've got the in the documents so you can scroll

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Speaker 3: down and look at them if you like. Chuck goes

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Speaker 3: on to say, the publishing date is nineteen eighty seven

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Speaker 3: interest of the protagonist in an eighties action movie. You know,

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Speaker 3: He's like the other guy who maybe she's going to

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Speaker 3: to say. The mirror meditation is mentioned on pages one

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Speaker 3: oh five to one oh six. The author states that

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Speaker 3: he discovered this technique quote quite by accident, and which

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Speaker 3: can be astonishingly effective. He also states that quote various

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Speaker 3: other researchers have also employed this technique, no mention of

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Speaker 3: who those people are. The actual procedure is incredibly similar

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Speaker 3: including dim lighting and concentrating on your own reflection. Here's

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Speaker 3: the fun part, listed straight from the book. I guess

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Speaker 3: Chuck is quoting the book here A word of caution.

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Speaker 3: During this meditation, you may see some extremely dramatic changes

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Speaker 3: take place in your features. This can be quite frightening.

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Speaker 3: Only perform a mirror meditation if you feel completely comfortable

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Speaker 3: with this prospect. At any point during meditation, if you

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Speaker 3: become disturbed by seeing your own features change, simply endo

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Speaker 3: your meditation and turn a light on and the process

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Speaker 3: will stop. And then Chuck continues his message. Now, I

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Speaker 3: am glad I was not just relying on a false

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Speaker 3: memory from decades ago, but it's odd to me that

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Speaker 3: this particular memory stuck. Additionally, I was wondering if you've

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Speaker 3: considered an episode or two about current scientific ideas that

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Speaker 3: may have been previously inadvertently explored and accidentally achieved interesting

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Speaker 3: results by people who were definitely not using the scientific method.

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Speaker 3: Then again, many of your topics do touch on this already,

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Speaker 3: e g. Ideas believed in folklore that turn out to

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Speaker 3: be true for reasons completely different than the original believed reason. Apologies,

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Speaker 3: this paragraph was not elegantly worth. Oh you did find, Chuck,

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Speaker 3: Chuck says. Anyways, thanks for your time, Keep up the

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Speaker 3: great work. Sincerely, Chuck from San Diego PS High five

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Speaker 3: to Chuck five. The other listener mail Chuck, I think

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Speaker 3: we've had several.

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Speaker 2: Number of chucks number of checks.

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Speaker 3: Yes, But anyway, to come back to Chuck's email, this

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Speaker 3: does sound interesting because it sounds like outside the context

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Speaker 3: of these like psychology experiments where you know, in perception

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Speaker 3: kinds of interesting stuff. Except I guess he's saying that,

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Speaker 2: Hmm, fascinating. All right, Well enough about that, Let's get

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Speaker 2: to the pokemons. Oh I guess yeah, this is actually

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Speaker 2: this is a response to the dream episodes we recently did.

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Speaker 2: But Matt listener Matt via Discord wrote in with the following,

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Speaker 2: HI had a couple of thoughts on the Dream Fall

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Speaker 2: into the Dark Part four episode, which featured the Baku.

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Speaker 2: First off, I'm surprised that Drowsy wasn't mentioned, given Rob's

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Speaker 2: It's a taper resembling Pokemon that eats dreams and is

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Speaker 2: image below, and Matt included a picture of Drowsy, and yes,

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Speaker 2: now that I look at him, yes, I'm familiar with Drowsy.

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Speaker 2: I've seen Drowsy in different forms on some of the

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Speaker 3: I think I have, at least in this image, I'm

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Speaker 3: interpreting Drowsy as having yellow paint spilled over half of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does kind of have that color scheme going on.

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Speaker 2: Matt continues on a more personal note. The name Baku

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Speaker 2: stirred some funny emotions in me, as that was the

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Speaker 2: Apparently I could not say blanket yet, and Baku was

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Speaker 2: without it. So while I didn't have a Baku print

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Speaker 2: sleep was aided by a Baku, which I thought was

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Speaker 2: an interesting coincidence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is interesting.

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Speaker 2: PS. One notable difference is that it seems to eat

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Speaker 2: nice dreams rather than nightmares, which doesn't seem quite as helpful. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a good point. It depends how you think about

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Speaker 2: the eating of dreams, Like maybe that nice dream is

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Speaker 2: something you want to carry with you into the day

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Speaker 2: and oops, here comes Drowsy to snatch it up. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it depends on how you think about that. Now,

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Speaker 2: after this struck my attention, of course, looked Drowsy up

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Speaker 2: in one of my son's Pokemon books, and I was curious, well,

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Speaker 2: what does Drowsy evolve into? Because the evolutions of the Pokemon,

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Speaker 2: that's half the point, right. Indeed, Drowsy evolves into hypno

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Speaker 3: Okay. Then after this, we've got an email from Taylor

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Speaker 3: Taylor says, Hello, Robin. Joe loved the dream Fall into

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Speaker 3: the pokemon Hypno goes so far as to abduct children

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Speaker 3: Later games also introduce the pokemon Mana and Musharna, two

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Speaker 3: Oh wow. A person afflicted by dark Rise Nightmare Sleep

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Speaker 2: Yes. Now, I'm not familiar with with the with the

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Speaker 3: It kind of looks like the Lockness Monster, but crossed

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Speaker 3: bunch of Banana's swoop haircut crescent moon shaped haircut. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: monsters without making reference to the Slake Months from China.

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Speaker 3: Mieville's Perdido Street station talking about them too much would

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Speaker 3: I think there's something too Joe's theory about spatial reasoning

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Speaker 2: Taylor, Oh wow, it seems possible. Then with the Pokemon

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Speaker 2: just expand that to sleep as well and throw a

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Speaker 2: few snore Laxes in there.

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Speaker 3: What does snorlax do? Just put you to sleep?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: He sleeps, He just sleeping. He beats you by sleeping.

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Speaker 3: He's great, he just sleeps, Yeah, sleep him to beat him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. You know, I've only watched a few

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Speaker 3: I was just thinking about how I have no idea,

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Speaker 3: uh if Pokemon will still be an age relevant obsession

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Speaker 3: when my daughter's old enough to get into things like that, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, it's curious the way that nostalgia

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Speaker 3: Maybe one day i'll know them all. I'll be the

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Speaker 3: one saying like, oh, yeah, that's going to be your snore. Lax.

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Speaker 2: All right, here's another. When this one comes to us

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Speaker 2: from Jim. I'm not sure which gym.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the gyms not in the New

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Speaker 2: This gym sends us an email titled time Traveling Vampires. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: I've been wanting to bring this up for a while.

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Speaker 2: In your discussion on Dracula, time traveling seems like the

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Speaker 2: best time to talk about this. In the late sixties,

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Speaker 2: there was a supernatural soap opera called Dark Shadows. It

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Speaker 2: the eaching to travel back one hundred years. He astral

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Speaker 2: projected to a hall with eaching hexagrams on different doors.

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Speaker 2: He had to find the one that had the hexagram

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Speaker 2: hundred years. He had to become a vampire again to

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Speaker 2: solve the crisis. Thanks for letting me vent, Jim.

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Speaker 3: Is that venting? Okay? Thanks for sharing. I don't think

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Speaker 3: I fully understood the last part there. Wait, how did

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Speaker 3: I've missed something here.

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Speaker 2: That I'm not entirely sure either, But there does seem

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Speaker 2: I remember seeing episodes of Dark Shadows on I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never seen it. I think I recall having

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Speaker 2: Well, anyway, Jim, thanks for writing in and letting us

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