1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: Did a mother actually tried to hire a hit man 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 2: to murder her three year old toat son? 4 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 3: Let that sink in? 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: A mother hiring a hit man to murder her tot boy? 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 3: You know what? 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: Every once in a while, every day correction, I think, Wow, 8 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: I've heard it all. I've never seen anything like this before. 9 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: How could people do such a thing? And then along 10 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: comes someone like Jasmine Pays who, according to prosecutors, hires 11 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: a hit man to murder her three year old baby. 12 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you see, Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks 13 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Series 14 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: XM one eleven. First of all, take a listen our 15 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: friends at NBC. 16 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 4: Please A Pius went on a parody website to seek 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 4: a hitman to allegedly kill her three year old son. 18 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 4: That website owner called police to report it. Robert Rainz 19 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 4: tells us he called Miami Dade non emergency number three times, 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 4: but they referred him to crimestoppers. However, on that third call, 21 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 4: that's when a detective was put on the case. 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 5: Because of the fact that it involved in online and 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 5: online allegations. So that's what caused a little bit of 24 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 5: a delay when he made him call a couple of times. 25 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, I'm still trying to get my 26 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: head wrapped around this. I'm going to go to an 27 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: all star panel to make sense of what we know 28 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: right now, including the creator of Rent a Hitman dot Com. 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: But first to Nicole Parton Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, Nicole, 30 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: how many children do you have? I just want to 31 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: make sure one hasn't been added recently. 32 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 6: I have ken in my home at the moment. 33 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to go with seven, and I 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: would have been very wrong. 35 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 3: Nicole. 36 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: A mother hires a hit man to murder her three 37 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: year old taught boy. And you know what, think about 38 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: how hard you worked to get your family, all the 39 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: red tape you went through, the years in the making 40 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: of adopting these children, and now you have this beautiful family. 41 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 2: Can you even imagine a mother hiring a hit man 42 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: to murder her tat boy. 43 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 6: I can't even wrap my head around it. I can't 44 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 6: imagine her having the thought of it, much less acting 45 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 6: it out, following through with it. But she did. 46 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: You know that's interesting what you just said. Hold on, 47 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to get to the fact just give me 48 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: a sec hold on Bob ns, the creator of rent 49 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: a Hitman dot com. 50 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: I've got to go to a shrink with me. 51 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: As renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan, TV radio 52 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: trauma expert consultant. You can find her at Karenstark dot com. 53 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: That's Karen with a C. Karen Nicole Parton just said 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: something really interesting. She said, what mom would have the 55 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: thought of murdering their child? Much less following through, not 56 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: acting in a moment of anger, which still going to 57 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: go to hell, but cold blooded, calculated making the decision 58 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: to hire a hitman to murder your baby. You're toddler, 59 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: you know, Karen Stark. Sometimes I'll send you the pictures 60 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: my phone and my iPad and my laptop. They all 61 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: iterate photos of the twins, my babies. They're fifteen now, 62 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: and these pictures pop up on my phone or my 63 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: iPad of them this day in two thousand and eight, 64 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 2: this day in twenty fourteen. I sometimes break down and 65 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: cry because I want those years back. I want to 66 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: do it all over again. I want them to be 67 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: toddlers all over again. Because I can easily say, with 68 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: no hesitation, hand on the Bible that the last fifteen 69 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: years have been the best years of my life because 70 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: of them. The thought of killing your child has never 71 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: once even flitted across my mind, much less as Nicole Parton, 72 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: who's an investigative reporter, not a shrink like you, actually 73 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 2: calculatedly planning the murder of your child. 74 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 7: That's a big leap, right, well, not what anybody expects, Nancy. 75 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 7: I think that's the most difficult. 76 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: Just say, you know, Karen Starr, I don't have you 77 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: on today. Decide well, nobody expected that. 78 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: I can agree with. 79 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 7: That well, because when we think of a mother all 80 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 7: across the world, when we think of mothers, we think 81 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 7: of mothers and children. We think of a madonna and child. 82 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 7: It's a very strong image. And that is not the 83 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 7: case when you have maternal philicide. When you have a 84 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 7: mother who kills children, and those people are not like 85 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 7: regular mothers. They are anti personality. Unless there is some 86 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 7: kind of psychosis, they are doing it because they want 87 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 7: to get revenge on somebody, or they really can't deal 88 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 7: with handling a child. They turn the child into a 89 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 7: monster and believe the child is acting out or crying 90 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 7: to get even with them. They do not see their 91 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 7: child as a real living human being that they are 92 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 7: connected to, much more like a toy, something that they 93 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 7: can discard. They don't have regular feelings. 94 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: It seems to me, and of course I have no 95 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: shrink that all the hatred or the anger, the frustration, 96 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: everything going on in their lives, they what do you say, 97 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: transfer all that onto an innocent baby, and somehow the 98 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 2: baby is the cause of all of their problems. 99 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 7: That's correct. They project all of the things that are 100 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 7: happening to them, and in some cases they are being 101 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 7: abused themselves, and anything that goes wrong, they think it's 102 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 7: the child. And they also have no ability to cope 103 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 7: with children. If you think about children are totally dependent. 104 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 7: Sometimes they cry, you can't stop them. They have the 105 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 7: temper tentium. These are women that turn their children into 106 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 7: people that are working against them, as though the children 107 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 7: are developmental maturing us to know that they hate their 108 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 7: mothers and they're getting even with them. And we're talking 109 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 7: about baby. 110 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: According to the facts as we know them right now, 111 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: a mother, a Florida mom, uses a hitman website to 112 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: murder her three year old baby boy, allegedly paying three 113 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: thousand dollars for the murder. That's what we know right now, guys, 114 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: take a listen to our friends at NBC. 115 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 8: So this is it right here, rents a Hitman dot Com. 116 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 8: It's actually a parody website, so police say it's not official, 117 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 8: but please claim that woman logged onto this website to 118 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 8: try to find a way to kill her son. The 119 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 8: mother accused of looking for a way to get rid 120 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 8: of her child is now out of jail on a 121 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 8: fifteen thousand dollars bond pliant as you left the Corrections Center. 122 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 9: Out of jail, but not out of trouble. 123 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: Rent a hit Man, Okay, rent a hit Man. 124 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now, your point and click solution. 125 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: It says rent a hit Man as one of the 126 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: most experienced professional crisis management whoa crisis management? You know, 127 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: Bob Innes. I'm going to get to you in just 128 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: one moment because you created this thing. Kelly Hymen joining 129 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: us trial lawyer out of Miami. This is her jurisdiction 130 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: TV analyst podcast host of Once Upon a Crime in Hollywood, 131 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: which is awesome. Kelly Hiyman, thank you for being with us. 132 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, now, you know I can just see 133 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: defendants wrongdoers all over the world that are hearing this 134 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: right now, they're going to start referring to their murder 135 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 2: plans as crisis management. What about this rent a hit 136 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: man your point and click solution. And I'm looking at 137 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: it right now, and it says we are one hundred 138 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: percent Hip hop compliant hit Man Information Privacy and Protection 139 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: Act of nineteen sixty for that should be a tip 140 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: off right there, But for people that are unlearned in 141 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: the law, that may mean nothing to them. Field off 142 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: of the year one hundred percent Satisfied Customer Framed Awards. 143 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, some people could read that and 144 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: know this is a farce. Others not so much. And 145 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: the fact that she paid three thousand dollars to hire 146 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: a hitman to murder her baby, I think says it 147 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: all Kelly him And that's all I need is to 148 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: follow that money to prove this case. 149 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 10: Yeah, So she's been charged with first degree solicitation of 150 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 10: murder and third to reuse of communication device. And so 151 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 10: the solicitation definition is when the defendant is asking or 152 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 10: trying to convince another individual to commit a crime. So 153 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 10: the state needs to prove the defendant ask someone to 154 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 10: commit a crime. Go on that website ask the one 155 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 10: to do it, and while they were talking, she directed 156 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 10: and encouraged and invited, asked or hired another person to 157 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 10: commit a crime or attempt to commit a crime. 158 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 11: And that would be if stay proved that, then she 159 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 11: would be guilty of first degree solistication of murder. 160 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: With over seventeen thousand US based field operatives, we can 161 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: find a. 162 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: Quote solution that's right for you. 163 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: Since nineteen twenty, ren A hit Man has assisted in 164 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 2: a diverse range of satisfied clients. 165 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: Wow Time Stories with n it'sy Greece. 166 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: Pat Diaz joining me former Miami day Police officer, homicide 167 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: detective Private investigator now in South Florida at South flpis 168 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: South floridapi dot com. Pat, I don't care what that 169 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: site really is. What I care about is the safety 170 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: of a helpless three year old taught boy and a 171 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 2: mom who wants him murdered. And it's not just a conspiracy, 172 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: because the conspiracy a plan has to have what we 173 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 2: call overt act for it to be prosecutable. I can't 174 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: just sit around with Jackie and say let's kill Sendney. 175 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: I have to commit an overt act like go buy 176 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: a gun or something to that in that bent, and 177 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: in this case, transferring three thousand dollars is an overt act. 178 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 12: I agree with you one hundred percent. In this case, 179 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 12: you have to give him his credit for alerting the police. 180 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 12: And then once the detective got on the case, he 181 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 12: was smart enough to engage her in text messages. So 182 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 12: that's the act that we needed to prove that her 183 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 12: intent was for this to happen. And once they had 184 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 12: her there, then the exchange solidified the case completely against her. 185 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 12: It was a good job on everybody's part to take 186 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 12: her off the street. 187 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: I love nothing more than text messages. Pat d As, 188 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 2: You're so right, because in the past, it would be 189 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: a conversation. 190 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: Which is a he says, she say. 191 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: She's told me she wanted a hit man. No, I didn't, 192 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: So who's a jury gonna believe? But when you put 193 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: it in a text message, it's just so much better. 194 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 12: Hate. 195 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: Pat Diaz, former Miami Dade homicide detective. 196 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: Never lack of business. 197 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: There there's something different about murder for higher defendants, those 198 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: defendants that lie in wait and pay money for murder. 199 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: There's just something Again. I'm not a shrink. I'm just 200 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 2: a jd not an MD, but I have noticed in 201 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: my prosecutions and coverage there's just something different about the 202 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 2: mindset of someone that commits a murder for hire? 203 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 3: What is it, Pat d As, It's that. 204 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 12: To prave mind because you have to take it serious. 205 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 12: You can just laugh office as a case that you know, 206 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 12: somebody just trying to do something, you know, on a website. 207 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 12: When you have somebody actually with the intent to find 208 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 12: a hitman, you know they want to carry this act 209 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 12: out and you need to act on it real quickly, 210 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 12: which Mimmi Day did. But like I said, it's all 211 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 12: good from mister andis calling the police to the police 212 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 12: acting quickly because who knows her intent was to have 213 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 12: as child killed, and she was going to carry you 214 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 12: out out one way or the other, and it was 215 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 12: stopped in time. And you give a lot of credit 216 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 12: to everybody involved in the case. 217 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this baby was going to die one way 218 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: or the other. 219 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 2: As Pat Diaz just pointed out, take a listen to 220 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: our friends at CBS four. 221 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 13: Hi has sent an email to the folks at rent 222 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 13: a hitman dot com. 223 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: But the only man you'd. 224 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 13: See behind the screen is Bob Innis, who isn't a 225 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 13: killer but instead an IT specialist. 226 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 14: It amazes me at the number of requests the website 227 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 14: geinst on a monthly basis. It's shocking, it's scary. 228 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 13: He has dedicated much of his life to helping authorities 229 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 13: and tells me many of these mills or pranks, but 230 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 13: some requests, like Paz is ring a very different tune. 231 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 13: Investigator say, her email read the murder had to be 232 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 13: done by Thursday, and she quote wanted to get something 233 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 13: done once and for all, adding that the child needed 234 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 13: to be taken quote far far far away and possibly 235 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 13: be killed but asap, with a photo of the toddler attached. 236 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 13: The good news here is that that child is safe tonight. 237 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 13: But Pause has been charged with two felonies, one a 238 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 13: first degree murder and the other of unlawful use of 239 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 13: a device. 240 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: That would be conspiracy to commit first degree murder. Now, 241 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: believe it or not, this Miami Dade mom actually submits 242 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: pictures of her little boy and the specific location where 243 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: he would be to make it easier for the hitman 244 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: to commit murder. 245 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: Well, she's going straight to hell. 246 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, I hope with a little stop 247 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: at the penitentiary and now join me the creator of 248 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: rent a Hitman dot com, Bob Ennis. Bob, First, I've 249 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: got so many questions for you, but first I want 250 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: to address this particular case with mom Jasmine Piez. 251 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: What happened, Nancy? 252 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 15: Thank you for having me this morning. By the way, 253 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 15: so Jasmine visited the website and she filled out what's 254 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 15: known as a service request form in her own words 255 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 15: as to the who, when, where, why, and so on. 256 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 15: It was a Tuesday morning, about nine thirty in the 257 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 15: morning Pacific time when I received the email and I 258 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 15: read her information. She stated that she wanted to have 259 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 15: something done once and for all again to be taken far, 260 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 15: far and far away and possibly killed, but asat she 261 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 15: included a timeline that she wanted to have this done by. 262 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 15: She also included a photo of the child. And this 263 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 15: was not like any of the other requests that I 264 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 15: had received, So I immediately got on it and responded 265 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 15: to her within a couple of minutes, asking her if 266 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 15: she still required our services and wanted to have a 267 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 15: field operative contactor for a free consultation. She said yes, 268 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 15: she wanted to have a field operative contact her. So 269 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 15: I did a little bit more research, I was able 270 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 15: to verify the names and addresses, and considering the close 271 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 15: proximity within seven miles of where I ees allegedly lived 272 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 15: and where the child was, I realized that, you know, 273 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 15: this was a credible threat and that if I didn't act, 274 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 15: somebody else would have or could have, and the results 275 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 15: could certainly have been different. 276 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: So I had to do something or she would have 277 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: killed the child herself. Guys, you're hearing Bob innis the 278 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: creator of rent a hitman dot com And according to 279 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: not just Bob Inness, but authorities, police, LA law enforcement 280 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: investigators pretend that they're a hitman, and they contact Paez, 281 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: the mom, to find out more about her murderous plan, 282 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: and it was then that she agrees to pay three thousand. 283 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 3: Dollars to have her top boy murdered. 284 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: Three thousand dollars to have her top boy murdered, straight 285 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 2: back out to Pat Diaz, former Miami Dade cop homicide 286 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: detective now private investigator. 287 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 3: Pat. 288 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 2: They immediately and frantically began to try and match the 289 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 2: IP address that was used at rent hillman dot com 290 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: to find out where the computer is and hopefully where 291 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: she is. 292 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: How does that work? 293 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 12: Pat Well the technology nowadays is outstanding where we can 294 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 12: actually with the IP address and the phone number, you 295 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 12: can actually the police can actually ping the phone and 296 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 12: give you the exact address where that phone is located. 297 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 12: So between locating the IP address and pining that phone, 298 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 12: the police were able to hone in on what address 299 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 12: she was at at the time, even though they knew 300 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 12: she wasn't with the child, that the child was at 301 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 12: a different location. Their concern was to make sure they 302 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 12: get her exact location, and by pinging her phone they 303 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 12: were able to get the exact address and be able 304 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 12: to be on her right away. 305 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 2: Okay, and I pay address of course. Now I'm just 306 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that stands for Internet provider. 307 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: Anybody can get your own IP address. You go to settings, 308 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: you select Wi Fi, you tap on the network to 309 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: which you're connected, and you find your IP address under 310 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: IPv four address. So if you can do it yourself, 311 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: can't everybody figure out that The cops can find your 312 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: IP address, they can figure out what computer it is, 313 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: where the computer is. Very often who owns the computer, 314 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: who bought the computer. It's like a fingerprint, It's like 315 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: a computer fingerprint to Kelly Hyman, a veteran trial lawyer 316 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: out of Miami. Tracking IP addresses not hard at all. 317 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: How does it work? 318 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 11: Yes, So that is a really good point. So be 319 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 11: careful what you type because you can definitely, definitely track 320 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 11: everything that you do. In Nancy, you talk about how 321 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 11: you can go on your website and track of where 322 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 11: you are and where your location is. But there you 323 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 11: have to be really really careful of what you type 324 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 11: in or what you put in because you can be 325 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 11: definitely trapped. 326 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: And then the pinging, as Pat Diaz points out, even. 327 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: Here's a good example. 328 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 2: Do you remember the mom Sherry Pepinie who goes missing. 329 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: Of course, we now later learn she staged the whole thing. Why. 330 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. 331 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: Her husband used to find my iPhone like we all 332 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: do when we can't find our phone or iPad and 333 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: found the location. It's really easy. Pinging is not that 334 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: much more sophisticated than that very process. 335 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 3: So the phone. 336 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: That she uses to speak to the hit man who's 337 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: actually an investigator, is immediately pinged, the IP address is obtained, 338 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: and she's about halfway to a conviction. Right there, guys, 339 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: we're talking about a Florida mom who calls a hit 340 00:20:55,040 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: man to arrange the murder of her own three year 341 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 2: old top boy. Take a listen to Hour Cut eleven 342 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: from NBC six. 343 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 3: You were on a website. 344 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: You were on a website to hire a hit man? 345 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 3: What to kill her own child's to kill her own shot? 346 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 7: I didn't get that far. 347 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 8: Solicitation for murder and unlawful use of an electronic device. 348 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 8: These are the charges by his faces while standing before 349 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 8: a judge. 350 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: Back to you, Bob in his creator, I've rent a 351 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: hitman dot com. I know that you started the website 352 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: as a joke. Anybody that has any understanding of criminology, 353 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: you're lock and see that immediately. But a lot of 354 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: people don't get it. They want someone murdered and they 355 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: go to rent a hitman dot com. What types of 356 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: request have you seen since you started the website. 357 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 15: I've seen a lot. I can't say I've seen at 358 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 15: all because this obviously came out of nowhere, but you know, 359 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 15: generally have people that are, you know, upset, maybe they're 360 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 15: being bullied, maybe they're trying to get even with somebody 361 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 15: in their family or neighborhood or whatever the case is. 362 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 15: Some of these requests unfortunately, are from kids seeking retaliation 363 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 15: against you know, somebody else for abuse, whether physical or 364 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 15: what other kind of abuses there may be going on, 365 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 15: And you know, each one of these I have to 366 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 15: kind of feel out and find the best and most 367 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 15: reasonable solution. But yeah, I mean, the website does see 368 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 15: its fair share of craziness from people around the world 369 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 15: rather or seeking services which I clearly don't offer or 370 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 15: even condone. 371 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: What problem died you to start the website, and I'm 372 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: certainly glad that you did, But what prompted you to 373 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: do it? 374 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 15: Yeah, So the website was created for a most graduate 375 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 15: it startup specializing in penetration testing and risk analysis, with 376 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 15: hit pertaining to the being the key word pertaining to 377 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 15: visitor traffic and analytics. It was after business plans kind 378 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 15: of fizzled out. I put the domain on auction blocks 379 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 15: and tried to sell it, tried to move it. Unfortunately 380 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 15: at the time nobody was really interested in it. It 381 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 15: took several years for it to take shape into what 382 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 15: it is today. And so there's a lot of desperate 383 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 15: people out there that have sought how to hire a 384 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 15: hit man online and they performed a Google and Yahoo searches, 385 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 15: they find the website, they see that it is a 386 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 15: well they may not see the parody in it, but 387 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 15: they see that it's a problem resolution type company, and 388 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 15: they feel compelled to leave their information. 389 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: Well, it goes through your mind when you see a 390 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 2: request that is legitimate, like the one cops say, Jasmine 391 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: Piez sent you to murder her child. 392 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 15: Her request was certainly different than a lot of them 393 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 15: that I see. She included details that I just could 394 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 15: not overlook. I couldn't put to the side the fact 395 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 15: that this person wanted to have a child murdered and 396 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 15: provided enough detail and a photograph of the child. I 397 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 15: just knew that this was something spectacular that I had 398 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 15: to get on right away. 399 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: Is it true that out of all of the compliance 400 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 2: or requests for murder for hire you get, you know 401 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: that one hundred and twenty four New Yorkers have used 402 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: your site? 403 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 15: That is true? That is true. 404 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 2: Must be really angry in New York, guys. Take a 405 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: listen to our cut one our friends at Fox Too. 406 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 9: He started the very basic site in two thousand and 407 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 9: five as a class project, then left it. 408 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 3: A couple of years later. He opened the inbox. 409 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 15: I go back into the inlucks to check the emails, 410 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 15: and I'm just shot. There's two hundred and fifty or 411 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 15: three hundred emails from people around the world seeking that extraction. 412 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 9: He figured he could do some good, and it seems 413 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 9: he has getting two new murder for higher messages just 414 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 9: on Tuesday. 415 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 15: The fact that a nine dollars and twenty website has 416 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 15: prevented in one hundred and forty one murders. I never 417 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 15: would have seen this coming. 418 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 2: And also our friends at NBC six are cuts two 419 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: and three. 420 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 14: I saw the email, I just had a gut instinct 421 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 14: that this was a serious threat. 422 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 8: That is Robert Es a site webmaster Now, he says, 423 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 8: RN's a hitman. Dot com is designed to prevent legitimate 424 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 8: solicitations to commit murders and intended to help law enforce. 425 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 14: There is a service request form that people can fill 426 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 14: out in their own words as to who, when, why. 427 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 8: He says some of these inquiries are jokes too, things 428 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 8: like wanting to kill cartoon characters. But in the case 429 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 8: against this mother suspected of wanting her three year old dead, 430 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 8: ess sew real concern. 431 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 14: Having the ability to research names and addresses and verify 432 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 14: that the intended target lived in a particular address. You 433 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 14: know that to me is a red flag. You know, 434 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 14: it's a nine dollars twenty cent website and for it 435 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 14: to have the ability to save lives nearly every day, 436 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 14: it's ridiculous to you. 437 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: Bob Innes, the creator of rent a Hitman dot Com. 438 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: Before now and your collision with Jasmine Pie is, have 439 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: you ever had a parent or anyone want to murder 440 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 2: a child? 441 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 15: Unfortunately yes, And in fact, early this year out of 442 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 15: Storm Lake, Iowa, there was a case involving a teenager, 443 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 15: a seventeen year old that wanted to have a seven 444 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 15: year old murder and that was promptly handed over to 445 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 15: the authorities there who found it credible and they investigated 446 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 15: it and they were able to make an arrest and 447 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 15: save that seven year old's life. 448 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking exactly of that case. Take listen 449 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 2: now our cut twenty four from our friends at crime Online. 450 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 16: It's hard to imagine the grudge between a teenager and 451 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 16: a seven year old, but a seventeen year old Kansas 452 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 16: teen tried to hire a hitman to kill a seven 453 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 16: year old child. The teen visited rent a Hitman dot 454 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 16: Com and tried to hire a professional killer. Kansas police 455 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 16: say she visited the website at least twice and shared 456 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 16: information about the child, including their name and where they live. 457 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 16: Police were contacted and an officer posing as a hitman 458 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 16: contacted the teenager. The teenager told the fake hit man 459 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 16: where to find the child and when they would be home. 460 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 16: Officers arrested the team the same day on a charge 461 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 16: of solicitation to commit murder. The child and their family 462 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 16: were not harmed and were unaware of the danger. 463 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: The same charges lodged in the present case where a 464 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: mom wants a hitman to murder her three year old 465 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: baby boy and across the country. You take a listen now, 466 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: we're cut seventeen from kdsu Oh Carmier. 467 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 17: Andrew Eskin, and Dalvin Wilson are now each facing one 468 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 17: count of criminal conspiracy to commit murder and one count 469 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 17: of attempted first degree murder. Cormier allegedly hired two of 470 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 17: his friends to silence a rape victim to keep her 471 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 17: from testifying. The rape victim was not killed, and instead 472 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 17: someone else at the home. Britney Cormier and her neighbor, 473 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 17: Hope Nettleton, died as a result. 474 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 3: Of their injuries. 475 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 17: Investigators say the new charges stem from two prior incidents 476 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 17: when the suspects conducted surveillance on the home and attempted 477 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 17: to commit the crime. 478 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: So that hit man was successful except for one thing. 479 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: He killed the wrong peace people. Hit man attempts happen 480 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: every day, and very often they're successful. Take a listen 481 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: hour cut eighteen from Como. 482 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 18: Court documents paint a deliberate and disturbing murder for higher scheme. 483 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 3: Belle You. 484 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 18: Police say Schaer and Kelly hired a seventeen year old 485 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 18: boy to murder her ex husband, Baron Lee, and offered 486 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 18: to pay the teenager thirteen thousand dollars. On the day 487 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 18: of the shooting in July, police say the seventeen year 488 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 18: old got his friend to drive him to the Overlook 489 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 18: at Lakemont Apartments in Bellevue, where court documents say he 490 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 18: was going to. 491 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 3: Cap someone and empty the clip. 492 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 18: Police say the seventeen year old gunman ambushed Lee, shooting 493 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 18: him nine times. 494 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: Nine times. That was to kill an ex husband. I'm 495 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: saying hits on mother in laws. Yeah, you know, I'm lucky. 496 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: My mother in law, my husband's mom. We've known each 497 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: other since I was in college, never had one cross 498 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: word never. Well, I can't say that for everybody. 499 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: Take a list. 500 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: Now we're cut nineteen our forensic k Y. 501 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 19: Three investigators save Bauman wanted her ex mother in law 502 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 19: killed because she believed the woman was trying to interfere 503 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 19: in her relationship with her children. Now, Camden County Prosecutor 504 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 19: Caleb Cunningham says the Highway Patrol's Division of Drug and 505 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 19: Crime Control was contacted. 506 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: By a witness. 507 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 20: According to court documents, that witness was asked to hire 508 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 20: people to kill Bauman's ex mother in law. Records show 509 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 20: that witness recorded Bawman agreeing to pay fifteen hundred dollars 510 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 20: for people to make her ex mother in law's death 511 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 20: quote look like an accident. Her former mother in law 512 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 20: was never injured. Bauman is in jail without bond. 513 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: You know that it was for fifteen hundred. 514 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Bob inn Is joining us, 515 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: creator of a Hitman dot com. 516 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 3: Fifteen hundred. 517 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: That sounds like a bargain compared to what this mom 518 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 2: was willing to pay Jasmine Pies to have her three 519 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: year old Todd murdered. She was in for three thousand dollars. 520 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: How much do people offer to pay for a hit? 521 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 15: That's a great question and one that whenever I'm asked, 522 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 15: I kind of let the solstener know that that is 523 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 15: for them to discuss with the field operative. 524 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 2: Do they ever put an amount in, Hey, I've got 525 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: to have this done for five grand or less. 526 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 15: It does happen occasionally where people have said, you know, 527 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 15: a couple of thousand dollars, But again I kind of 528 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 15: defer all of that to the field operative. 529 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 3: That's very wise. 530 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: The last thing you want to do is get tangled 531 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 2: up with it would be killer guys. That's not all. 532 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: Does the name Jennifer Emmy ring a bell? Because it 533 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: does for me? Take lesson to cut twenty one. Our 534 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: friends at CBS for Denver. 535 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 21: Court documents say much of what Jennifer Emmy, who's also 536 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 21: known as Jennifer Edwards, much of what she said was 537 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 21: secretly recorded by the would be hitman. 538 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 14: Successful lawyer, beautiful family, and currently in jail on a 539 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 14: very serious allegation. 540 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 3: Her lawyer said Emmy may have overreacted, looked. 541 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 14: Like the model family and then all of a sudden, 542 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 14: our husband trades are in for. 543 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 7: A younger girl. 544 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 15: I don't think it would surprise anybody that Jennifer. 545 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 14: Anybody in that situation would probably be pretty irate. 546 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be irate. 547 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: I might change the lots on the doors and burn 548 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 2: all of David's clothes in the front yard. 549 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 3: But hiring a hit man, that's a no, because. 550 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 2: That would be one thing that would guarantee me never 551 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: seeing the twins again. Okay, it's about time for Karen Start. 552 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: Psychologists to jump in help me out, Karen Start. 553 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 7: You know, I was thinking as you're talking that if 554 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 7: Susan Smith were able to at that time find this website, 555 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 7: she would have been very happy to get rid of 556 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 7: her two kids through hire a hitman, because that was 557 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 7: the woman who felt that her kids were in the way, 558 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 7: and it just goes against what we conceive as human 559 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 7: nature that she wanted her kids dead and made sure 560 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 7: they were dead because they were interfering with her social life. 561 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: My favorite, my personal favorite, of all the people that 562 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: hire hitmen to kill someone, would have to be Dahlia 563 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 2: di Polito. Now, I remember her defense lawyers were mad 564 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: at me because I said she was a former escort. 565 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 2: Didn't that Okay, Yeah, they're worried about her reputation being 566 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 2: maligned while she's accused of planning a murder for hire. Hello, priorities, 567 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: take a listen to hour cut A. 568 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 21: I'm Sergeant Ramsey. I'm going to call you. Thank you 569 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 21: to comment. I'm sorry to call you. 570 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 12: Listen. 571 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 21: We had a report of a disturbance at your house 572 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 21: and there were shots fired as your husband, Michael, Okay, 573 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 21: I'm sorry to tell you, man, he's been killed. He's 574 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 21: been killed. Then try to calm down. 575 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 15: Right now. 576 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 6: We need to get you to the state. 577 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 22: We need to get you to a police I can't 578 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 22: let it, man, we have to do our job. If 579 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 22: you want to find his filler, Okay, we need you 580 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 22: to comment down. I'm gonna need you to go with 581 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 22: these defectives. 582 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 12: Okay. 583 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 21: Is you have enemies? Is there anyone that would want to. 584 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: Hurt Okay, who would want to hurt him? 585 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 21: Witness he said he saw a black mail running from me. 586 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 21: I can't let you say him, mam maam. I cannot 587 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 21: do this right now, ma'am. 588 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: I can't go, detective. I need you. 589 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 21: I need you to take it to the stations. I 590 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 21: can't man go with these detections. If you want to 591 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 21: help your husband. Okay, if you want to help your husband, 592 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 21: you need to go to the station with these gentlemen 593 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 21: and tell us everything you know about who he knows, 594 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 21: who he's connected to. Don't worry, We've already taken care 595 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 21: of dogs with animal control for right now. Everything's under control. 596 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:50,919 Speaker 3: Okay. 597 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: See, I could have cut that early and not heard 598 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 2: the whole thing, but I didn't. Just let me have 599 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,479 Speaker 2: one moment during crime stories where I can smile and even, 600 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 2: dare I say it laugh Her husband was not killed. 601 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 2: Dahlia Dippolito had tried before to poison her husband with 602 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: the Starbucks one of those you know, sugary ones. 603 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 3: That didn't work out. 604 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 2: So she hires a hit man, and of course the 605 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 2: hit man is an undercover agent, and they do a sting. 606 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: They let her talk and talk and taught you hear 607 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: the cop informing her her husband's dad, and she breaks 608 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 2: down in tears. She actually bends over in half in 609 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 2: all of her fake pain. Watch out, Meryl Streep. You 610 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: think you're a great actress, You need to see Dahlia 611 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 2: Dippolito in this performance of a lifetime. 612 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 3: But I want you to hear more. 613 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut for AABC twenty twenty 614 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 2: the undercover detective. He really wants to nail Dahlia, make 615 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: sure he's got it on tape and on camera that 616 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: she is really going to pay him to kill her husband. 617 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 3: And he says, are you sure, Dahlia right now? 618 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 15: And when it's done? 619 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 11: You know, I'm an ober tender money. 620 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 10: But if you tend of money now? 621 00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 3: Okay? 622 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 2: Did you hear that She's caught on video and asked 623 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 2: are you sure you want your husband kill? She goes 624 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 2: five thousand percent, Sure, I want him dead? Okay, not 625 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 2: just one hundred percent, but five thousand percent. Well, she's convicted. 626 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 2: Bob innis a creator of rent a hitman dot com. 627 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 2: Have you ever wondered how many lives you've probably saved? 628 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:26,439 Speaker 7: Yes? 629 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 15: I have, and you know, honestly, I kind of lose 630 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 15: count right around one hundred and twenty. And that's that's 631 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 15: a worldwide figure. By the way, a great number of 632 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 15: these cases were from Indonesia and some other parts. 633 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 10: Of the world. 634 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 2: Wow, I guess they're impressed by your seventeen thousand operatives 635 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 2: around the world. 636 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 3: I mean, this is an incredible website. I've looked at 637 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 3: it many many. 638 00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 2: Times, Kelly Hyman, a veteran trial lawyer, joining us out 639 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 2: of the Florida' jurisdiction. 640 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,240 Speaker 3: Where this goes down, what do you believe will happen? 641 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 10: Hopefully there will be potentially some kind of resolution for 642 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 10: the family. Potentially there could be a potential plea deal 643 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 10: as well. But no matter how you look at it, 644 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 10: it is a very very sad case where a mother 645 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 10: wants her child killed. 646 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 3: Awful. 647 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 10: This can't you can't get any worse than that. 648 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 11: A mother is supposed to love their child, to check 649 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 11: their child, oversee the child, and for a mother to 650 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 11: potentially want to do this is heartbreaking. 651 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: I hope she doesn't catch any slack because she's a 652 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 2: mom and somebody in the courtroom feel sorry for her. 653 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 2: And I want to point out just earlier this year, 654 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: a Tennessee Air National guardsman was arrested because he applied 655 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 2: to be a hit man on the site. Just as 656 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: recently as twenty twenty one, a Michigan woman used the 657 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 2: website to hire a hitman for her ex husband with 658 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: a five thousand dollars payout. 659 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it goes on and on and on. 660 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 2: To you, Karen Stark, please do not tune up and 661 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 2: tell me I should feel sorry for this mom, because 662 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 2: I don't. 663 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,959 Speaker 7: No, I'm not going to say that, Nancy. I haven't 664 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 7: been saying that all along. I think it's really different. 665 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 7: If we know that somebody has a mental illness, they're psychotic, 666 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 7: and they don't know any better. But it doesn't sound 667 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 7: like this person didn't know any better. She went out 668 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 7: of her way to try and hire a hitman. 669 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 3: And look, we both know because. 670 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 7: We've been doing this for a long time. Even though 671 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 7: there might be hitmen who get away with actually accomplishing this. 672 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 7: So often, if you go to another person and try 673 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 7: and get them to do that, it's not going to 674 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 7: work out, and they're going to tell somebody. Someone's going 675 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 7: to find out. You're going to be caught. But she 676 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 7: very clearly had evil intent in doing this and. 677 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 3: Not just intent. 678 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,439 Speaker 2: Made the phone call and agreed to a price, sent 679 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 2: a photo of her tap boy to make sure they 680 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 2: killed the right child. Those are overt acts under conspiracy laws. 681 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 2: She's charged with solicitation to commit murder. Pat Diaz joining 682 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 2: US former Miami Day Police homicide detective now private investigator 683 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 2: at South flpi dot com. Pat if Bob Innis had 684 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 2: not caught this and contacted police, we may be looking at. 685 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 3: The dead body of a three year old baby boy. 686 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 12: I thank one hundred percent. That's why I gave him 687 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 12: credit from the beginning, because you know, based on her 688 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 12: actions that her intent was to kill her child. And 689 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 12: if it didn't work on the website, then the next 690 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 12: thing was to find somebody on the street to do it. 691 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 12: So kudles to him, who's the website? Because he took action. 692 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 12: This definitely was an individual with the intent. And based 693 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 12: on her action, this was between text messages and community 694 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 12: and good police work that she was taken off the 695 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 12: street quickly. But I think herd test in the beginning 696 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 12: was to have her child murdered brother one way or 697 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 12: the other. 698 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 2: You know, I remember, Bob Ennis, when I was reading 699 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 2: every single one of the Harry Potter books to the children, 700 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 2: and I don't know how much you know about that. 701 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 3: I sadly know everything there is to know. 702 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 2: But Voldemort, the antagonist murdered people and every time he 703 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 2: murdered someone, his soul would split. That causes your soul 704 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 2: to split. And I remember reading that to the children. 705 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 2: You know, editing out parts I thought were really really scary. 706 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 2: And they said, why does your soul split in half 707 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 2: when you kill somebody? And I said, because it's the 708 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 2: worst thing in the world in the universe to take 709 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 2: away God's most precious gift and that is your life. 710 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 2: And we're you know, kicking this around, kind of laughing 711 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 2: about this. You know that because it was a failed attempt, 712 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 2: we're not dealing with a three year old boy's dead body, 713 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 2: thanks to mommy. But when you think about what these 714 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 2: people are coldly planning to murder someone and pay money 715 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 2: to have it done, it's really chilling. 716 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 15: Really, it really is scary. And now these people do 717 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 15: live and walk amongst us. I mean, it's really really terrible, 718 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 15: it really is. 719 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 2: And thank the Lord in Heaven you manage to stop 720 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 2: this attempt on a three year old boy's life. Nicole 721 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 2: Parton joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. What's 722 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 2: next for mommy Jasmine Piez. 723 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,879 Speaker 6: Well, she's going to be returning to court to face 724 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 6: these allegations and hopefully she'll receive the justice that's coming 725 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 6: to her. It's kind of ironic to hear the why 726 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 6: she did this. She told police that she was in 727 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 6: a romantic relationship with someone who didn't like the fact 728 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 6: that she had a child and that had caused to 729 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 6: break up, and so she was planning to kill her 730 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 6: child so that she could rekindle that romantic relationship with 731 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 6: this person. 732 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 2: That's exactly what Karen Stark said earlier. The motivation of 733 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 2: Susan Smith. Well, we wait as just as unfolds. If 734 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 2: you know or think you know anything about this investigation, 735 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,399 Speaker 2: please call three zero five four seven one eight four 736 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 2: seven seven. 737 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 3: Goodbye friend.