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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom Never told you from how stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline, and welcome back to part two

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Speaker 1: of our Holiday Feast. We're talking about food and food culture,

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Speaker 1: because tis the season to gorge yourself on whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: There are always those articles, Caroline about like how to

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Speaker 1: enjoy yourself during the holidays and not gain ten pounds

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Speaker 1: and it's like portion control. And you know what I

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Speaker 1: say to that, it's the holidays, you eat all the

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Speaker 1: figgy pudding that you want. Um and call me in

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Speaker 1: three weeks when I and I can't fit into my pants.

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Speaker 1: But in the last episode Feast, part one, we asked

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Speaker 1: whether or not food is the new sex, and we

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Speaker 1: divulge how much we think about food Caroline and I,

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Speaker 1: which is a lot all the time. But even though

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Speaker 1: you and I are mild food obsessives, would you go

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Speaker 1: as far as to call yourself a foodie? I would not.

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Speaker 1: Um actually dated someone who was so pleasantly surprised that

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Speaker 1: I was open to eating stuff beyond hamburgers. I guess

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Speaker 1: because if you read articles about foodies, like it's very controversial,

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Speaker 1: people hate them, but then they're they're you know, they're

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Speaker 1: considered snobs, food snobs, and people actually recoil from the

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Speaker 1: foodie label the way that others recoil from the hipster

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Speaker 1: They're definitely gastronomical hipster's where a hipster in the same

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Speaker 1: because that would be on hip A foodie although I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I do know some foodies will say, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a foodie. But let's not get

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Speaker 1: ahead of ourselves. Backing up with food culture, can we

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Speaker 1: just for a moment take in how like food food tainment,

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Speaker 1: food entertainment as just blown up. We have things like

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Speaker 1: food documentaries like Supersize Me, Food Inc. Special Food issues

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Speaker 1: of mainstream magazines are all over the place now, celebrity

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Speaker 1: The fact that we have on those food networks specials

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Speaker 1: popularity of food titles there was at one point, Um,

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Speaker 1: I want to say Nigella's Nigela Lass and that's her name, right,

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Speaker 1: her book was out selling fifty Shades of Gray. Because

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Speaker 1: you know what, people can have sex, but we really

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Speaker 1: want food more than that. We want to look at

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Speaker 1: pictures of food all the time. And what would you

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Speaker 1: call those pictures of food nowadays? I would call it

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Speaker 1: food pornography. That's right, that is the term. And that's

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Speaker 1: a lot of what we're we will be talking about

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Speaker 1: today because you know, you mentioned the whole like food

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Speaker 1: culture that's arisen, and how we have all these shows

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Speaker 1: and networks and movies dedicated to it, the Food Network,

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Speaker 1: Like I can't even watch it because I just get

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Speaker 1: so hungry. It makes me so sad. But we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into the science of of why all of

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Speaker 1: that that food on that you're watching on the television

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Speaker 1: take a little a little etymological side trip into like

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Speaker 1: when we started using these terms like foodie and food

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Speaker 1: porn because the history is actually longer than I assumed

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Speaker 1: this out. Foodie shows up in the Oxford English Dictionary

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Speaker 1: for the first time in night teen eighty in reference

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Speaker 1: to salivating patrons of a Parisian restaurant, and it was

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Speaker 1: predated by the term foodist in the late nineteenth centuries.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like you're against certain foods foods um And

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Speaker 1: Andrew Cockburn that was talking about the sensuous language of

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Speaker 1: Joy of Cooking, that is not a food porn recipe

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Speaker 1: been coined by Rosalind Coward in her book Female Desire

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Speaker 1: just not thinking of food. And speaking of Instagram, I

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Speaker 1: just going on to Pinterest. It is a smorgas board. Yes,

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Speaker 1: is a smorgas board of food porn. It's like the

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Speaker 1: Playboy of food. Porn that Pinterest. Well, yeah, these food

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Speaker 1: Food porn group alone has nearly six hundred thousand images,

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Speaker 1: and marketing firm three sixty I found that pictures of desserts,

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Speaker 1: So I think it's interesting to ask what the heck

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Speaker 1: bygone era on the food plate, um, you know the

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Speaker 1: us obviously. So we can look, but we can't touch, right,

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Speaker 1: So that's so it's fine. We're just gonna stare at

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm going to start a cooking show called

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Speaker 1: the Kale Show. Yeah, okay, I'll see what inventive things

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Speaker 1: a corner stone of my diet. Well that that Women's

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Speaker 1: coming from neuroscientists Laura Martin, and she also pointed out

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Speaker 1: how food porn exploits humans innate quote unquote super normal stimuli,

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Speaker 1: which essentially means we are hardwired to want food, and

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