1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It was a war between 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: the gods that no one will forget any time soon. 3 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: Captain Jack Sparrow Johnny Depp versus the Star of Aquaman 4 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: amber Heard. The two win at it in court, and 5 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: we learn more about their relationship than we ever wanted 6 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: to know, talk about dirty laundry ill seemingly, Johnny Depp 7 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: won the trial right and there are millions of dollars 8 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: at stake. But then amber Heard fights back, filing a 9 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: demand that the jury verny, the entire trial be thrown 10 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: out and insists she deserves a retrial. Why she amber 11 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: Heard claims that there was an impersonator on the jury, 12 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: that the wrong person showed up for jury duty. In 13 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: the last hours, we obtain court documents revealing the outcome 14 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: of her bid. I'n see Grace. This is Crime Stories. 15 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 16 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: and series X one eleven. Bombshell. Now, the trial judge 17 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: denies all of amber Heard's post trial motions to have 18 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: the verdict and her defamation trial thrown out. Her demand 19 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: for the case to be retried after the actress claimed 20 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: a juror was illegitimate has been denied again. Thank you 21 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: for being with us here at Crime Stories. Court documents 22 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: obtained by Crime Stories show that the trial judge has 23 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: denied Herd's motion to have the verdict and the whole 24 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: trial thrown out. Hurd's lawyers had filed the motion a 25 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: few weeks ago on the grounds the verdict was illegitimate 26 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: because a jurar had basically snuck into the process. How 27 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: in the world did this happen? Amber Heard's legal team 28 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: filing a motion for a mistrial and the defamation case 29 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: between Hurd and her ex husband Johnny Heard lawyers alleging 30 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: that Juror number fifteen was illegally selected, writing, Juror Number 31 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: fifteen was not the individual summon for jury duty on 32 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: April eleventh, twenty twenty two, and therefore is not part 33 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: of the jury panel and could not have properly served 34 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: on the jury at this trial. The request for a 35 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: new trial is on the basis that Juror fifteen is 36 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: fifty two years old born in nineteen seventy, while the 37 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: person summoned living at the same address with the same 38 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: name was born in nineteen forty five and would have 39 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: been seventy seven years old at the time of the trial. 40 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: It's a very tough decision for the court to make 41 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: on this motion, and it's hard to see how the 42 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: fact that someone was fifty two years old rather than 43 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: seventy years old, how that would make a change or 44 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: a difference in the ultimate verdict. Herds attorneys, writing in 45 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: the motion, the fifty two year old sitting on the 46 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: jury for six weeks did not appear in the list, 47 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: adding it is deeply troubling for an individual not summon 48 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: for jury duty nonetheless to appear for jury duty and 49 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: serve on a jury, especially in a case such as this, 50 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: because their case is so much more special than the 51 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: rest of our cases. Okay, well that's not going down 52 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: very well. I mean it. See Grace, this is Crime Stories. 53 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 54 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: and series XIM one eleven. What the hey, you know what, 55 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: let's do a double take. Take a listen to our 56 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: friends at Fox News. Eberhard's legal team filing new documents 57 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: in a Virginia court on Friday, arguing that the person 58 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: known as dur Number fifteen was not the person that 59 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: was actually called to serve one jury duty. Hurd's lawyers 60 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: saying that the person could not have properly served on 61 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: the jury at this trial, and their reasoning for those 62 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: claims is that the jury panel list included a seventy 63 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: seven year old individual with a birth date in nineteen 64 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: forty five. However, they say a fifty two year old 65 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: individual who lives at the same address as the seventy 66 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: seven year old was the person who actually showed up 67 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: and ultimately served on the jury. And because of this 68 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: mistake that they are alleging, Hurts lawyers are saying her quote, 69 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: due process was therefore compromised, and under these circumstances, a 70 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: mistrial should be declared and a new trial ordered. Sybottom line, 71 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: she's saying that this jarar, this male jar impersonated another 72 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: person that was rightfully to be in the jury pool. 73 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: They've got an all star panel to make sense of 74 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: what we know right now. But first straight out to 75 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Charlie Langston. She's been on the case from the very beginning. 76 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: She is an editor with a dailymail dot com of 77 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: female fe n ai l TROLLI thank you so much 78 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: for being us. So much is happening, even after we 79 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: thought the case was over. What is this? I don't 80 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: know that any of us thought the case was over 81 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: just because they ruled a verdict. You know, it was 82 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: very clear to me from the start that Amber was 83 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: never going to take this verdict lying down. And this, 84 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: in my mind, is just the latest in a increasingly 85 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 1: long line of attempts being made by her legal team 86 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: to try and get the verdict thrown out. This claim 87 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: made by her attorneys saying that one of the people 88 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: who served on the jury, one of the people who 89 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: sided with Johnny Depp, was never meant to be there 90 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: in the first place. But the interesting thing to me 91 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: is that her lawyers have not yet said, or not 92 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: yet made clear how on earth they found this information out. 93 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: Now we knew that the jury who served in this trial, 94 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: they were all supposed to be silent, supposed to be 95 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: quiet for at least a year after the trial, and 96 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: as yet we have no clue exactly how Amberhard's legal 97 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: teams stumbled upon this. But the kind of you know, 98 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: motion that they have filed to have this trial be 99 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: ruled a mistrial comes just days after they also said that, 100 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, some of the evidence that was used in 101 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: the trial does not support the verdict. I'm not a 102 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: legal expert, but I'm sure that legal experts would agree 103 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: that if you think you have an opportunity to get 104 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: the verdicts thrown out or to appeal the verdict, then 105 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: you should do so. But it feels slightly to me 106 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: at the moment like they're just throwing stuff at the 107 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: wall and hoping that something will stick. Charlie Langston, that 108 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: was perfectly said. You are correct. Everyone that is either 109 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: convicted or found to be libel at a civil trial 110 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: has a right to appeal. That's part of our legal process. 111 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: It's in the Bill of Rights where you have a 112 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: right to a lawyer. You have a right to a lawyer. 113 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: Even if you can't pay for a lawyer, the state 114 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: will appoint one and pay for one. You have the 115 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,119 Speaker 1: right to call witnesses. You have the right to cross 116 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: exam the witnesses if any brought by the other side. 117 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: You have a right to an appeal, and if you 118 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: cannot afford an appeal, the state will also pay for 119 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: an appeal for you. I mean, you know, Daryl Cohen, 120 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: you know how just like roll that off the tip 121 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: of my tongue. You know why, because in court when 122 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: you would take a guilty plea, you had to on 123 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: the record. Well, you know, I practice the front of 124 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: Judge Alberson for so long, Daryl, we had to swear 125 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: the defendants in that they were telling the truth, and 126 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: then on the record taken down by a court reporter. 127 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: Give them all of their rights, and the right to 128 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: an appeal is one of those constitutional rights. I mean, 129 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: of course she has the right to ask for a mistrial. 130 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: I'd be just mad if she didn't. That doesn't mean 131 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: anything that she's saying makes any sense. Well, I don't 132 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: know if it makes sense or not, Nancy. If if 133 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: this fifty two year old was there as opposed to 134 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: a seventy seven year old, then I think that the 135 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: jury is tainted. If that's the case of seventy seven 136 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: year old will possibly look at this and hear this 137 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: in a different way than a fifty two year old. 138 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: Oh okay, sorry, but Daryl Cohen, I feel a moral 139 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: obligation to just stop you right there, because you have 140 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: struck a lot of juries like I have, like other 141 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: people on this panel have, and we all know that 142 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: both sides get a big, that thick print out of 143 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: information on the jurars. It clearly has your dB on 144 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: the print out. If they couldn't look at this guy 145 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: and figure out there's a twenty five year age difference 146 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: that he clearly is not seventy seven years old. That's 147 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: on then, Darryl, you can't sell at trial not notice 148 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: that there is a clear error and not object to it, 149 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: then bring it up on appeal. If you cause the error, Daryl, 150 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: you cannot sight it on appeal, as they grounds for 151 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: a reversal. I agree, Nancy, But did they know. I 152 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: wasn't there. I didn't see the jury list. I didn't 153 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: see how well vetted they were. You know, I think 154 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: they could tell it's a fifty year old man versus 155 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: an eighty year old man seventy seven? Please, no, just 156 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: answer that one question. I didn't ask you if you 157 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: were there. I ask you if you believe they can't 158 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: tell the difference and a seventy seven year old man 159 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: and a fifty two year old man a twenty five 160 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: year age difference just doesn't Yes, No, you don't think 161 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: they could tell the difference. Yes, they can tell them. 162 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: Probably wanted to hear it because when I had those 163 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: GIRR questionnaires, I have a right to explain my answer, 164 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: and they may you're not in court. The constitution doesn't 165 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: apply to you, just fy, but my constitution does. It's mine. 166 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: Go ahead, but make it brief for Pete's sake. The 167 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: truth is they may not have known. And sometimes things 168 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: come up that are so obvious you don't see them 169 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: until suddenly something happens, and until suddenly you lose and 170 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: you're desperately searching for a ground for appeal. I think 171 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: it's what you meant to say. How did this happen? 172 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: I believe it's a father son situation because the GIRAR 173 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: that came in at age fifty two, as opposed to 174 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: the GIRR that was summoned age seventy seven, both live 175 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: at the same address. They both have the same ZIP code, 176 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: and they have the same last name, and they're both men. 177 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: It sounds like it's a senior and junior. Take a 178 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: listen now to our friends at Fox Niece. This is 179 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: Charles Watson. Now. The jurisdiction this motion was filed in 180 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: Fairfax County, Virginia does have some sifeguards in police. To 181 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: avoid something like this from happening. They require all county 182 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: residents to log in with the seven digit juror number 183 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: ZIP cold and birthday, but now there are questions about 184 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: whether those sifeguards were used or work this time around 185 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: to correctly verify the juror's identity. To Jackie Howard with 186 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com, Jackie, what more do you know? 187 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: The motion for a mistrial says Juror fifteen committed fraud 188 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: by taking the court summons intended for his father, who 189 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: shares the same name, but the judge says that's not 190 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: the case. The documents state the summons issued to Jurve 191 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: fifteen listed his legal name and address, but no birthdate 192 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: was noted. The judge also writes that Juror fifteen was 193 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: vetted by the court on the record and the parties 194 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: in both sides of this case question to jury pan 195 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: for a full day and informed the court that the 196 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: jury panel was acceptable. Therefore due process was guaranteed. She 197 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: added there was no evidence of fraud crime stories with 198 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. In the last hours, we obtained court documents 199 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: revealing a bombshell ruling in the case of Johnny Depp 200 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: versus Amber Heard and a forty three page memorandum herds 201 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: The lawyers argue the verdict and the ten million dollars 202 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: in damages. She now owes Johnny Depp should be thrown 203 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: out on the grounds that during the trial, Dept proceeded 204 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: solely on a defamation by implication theory, and that a jurar, 205 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: an illegitimate jurar, had snuck in to the courtroom and 206 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: sat on the jury straight back out to Jackie Howard, Jackie, 207 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: what do we know? What does this mean? Nancy? Judge 208 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: Penny Escarate laid any issues or errors with the seating 209 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: of this juror directly onto Amber Heard and her legal team, 210 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: saying the jury list was provided five days before the 211 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: trial began, and that the legal team already knew or 212 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: should have known about the mistake at any time during 213 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: the seven week twal. She noted that the legal team 214 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: had an obligation to ensure the accuracy of the information 215 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: that they were given before the trial started. According to 216 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: the judge, either party cannot wait until receiving an adverse 217 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: verdict to object for the first time to an issue 218 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: known since the beginning of the trial. To Charlie Langston, 219 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: she's been on the case from the very beginning. She 220 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: is an editor with a dailymail dot com female femail troll. 221 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: E've been on the case. In the very beginning, you said, 222 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: it feels as if she's just throwing things out to 223 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: see what if anything sticks. I mean, that's what it 224 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: feels like to me, and I you know, I think 225 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: it's very interesting the difference in behavior between her and 226 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp. Everything that has come out regarding Amber since 227 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: the trial has been very negative. You know, we saw 228 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: her do that Today Show interview where she rehashed all 229 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: of the allegations that she had made that got her 230 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: in this situation in the first place. And yet days 231 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: after she was found guilty of defaming Johnny Depp, she's 232 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: going on national television repeating those same defamatory claims against him. 233 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: Then we've got all of this information coming out about 234 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: a potential legal case that she's involved in in Australia 235 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: regarding her smuggling her dogs into the country a few 236 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: years ago and then lying about it. Then we've got 237 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: claim that she might be writing a book. Then we've 238 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: got news that her insurance company won't help her pay 239 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: the defamatory charges that she has to give Johnny Depp. Meanwhile, Johnny, 240 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: who arguably went into this case as something of a villain, 241 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: has come out really with the most phenomenal redemption arc. 242 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: He's doing music, He's going on tours of Europe, He's 243 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: donating enormous amounts of money to children's hospitals around the world. 244 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: He's supposedly going to be back on our screens in 245 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: new movies and TV shows. It just to me really 246 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: kind of lays it very bare when you look at 247 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: the difference between the two of them, and for me, 248 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: it seems very much like Johnny Depp is a man 249 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: who wants to put this behind him get on with 250 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: his life. His attorneys have suggested that he won't even 251 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: make Amber pay the money that she owes him. He 252 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: just wants to move on. And she very much seems 253 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: as though she's a bit of a dog with a 254 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: bone who will not let this rest well. If she 255 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: keeps making comments about depth or part will end up 256 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: getting sued again by DIP. Speaking of Amber, Heard's interviewed 257 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: with Savannah Guthrie, our friend at NBC that Charlie Links 258 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: had just referred to Take a listen to our cut 259 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: forty This is Amber. Heard with Savannah Guthrie, our friend 260 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: that I worked with a court TV wonderful person at NBC. 261 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: Take a listen. I never had to instigate it. I 262 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: responded to it. When you're living in violence and it 263 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: becomes it becomes normal. As I testified to you have 264 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: to adapt. You say you were responding, but there is evidence. 265 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: There are tapes in which you acknowledge hitting. There are 266 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: tapes in which you say I started the fight. I 267 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: know much has been made of these audio tapes. They 268 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: were first leaks online after being edited. What you would 269 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: hear in those clips are not evidence of what was happening. 270 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: It was evidence of a negotiation of how to talk 271 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: about that. If your abuser. To John Guard, Chief WD 272 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: Pitt County Sheriff's Office in Greenville, North Carolina, specializing in 273 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: domestic violence cases, John Guard, that doesn't even sound that 274 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: doesn't But she just said doesn't even make sense because, 275 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: as you will know by getting evidence in at trial, 276 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: if there is any suggestion that a tape or a 277 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: video has been tampered with or edited, it is not 278 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: allowed in trial. Right absolutely, and certainly through discovery you 279 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: would get the entire fire thing. Not sure how that 280 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: come about, Yeah, exactly, that whole thing. Charley links in 281 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: with us from Delhimel dot com. Those tapes were particularly 282 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: damning for Amber Heard. And this is what Hurd is 283 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: telling Savannah Guthrie and their sit down interview immediately after 284 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: the trial. What was that about? Effectively, Savannah Guthrie was saying, 285 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: I'm behood the jury and everyone in the courtroom heard 286 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: these tapes on which you could be heard making kind 287 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: of violent suggestions towards Johnny Depp, saying horrible, awful things 288 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: to him. And what Amberhard is saying is that actually 289 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: these tapes were hours and hours and hours long, and 290 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: that the jury only heard a very small select portion 291 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: of them. So she was suggesting that the evidence that 292 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: was used in the trial was in some way tampered with, 293 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: edited whatever you want to say, in order to make 294 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: her look worse. Now, again, my legal expertise is very 295 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: much lacking in comparison with other brilliant people on this call. However, 296 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: even I know that tampered evidence cannot be used in 297 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: a courtroom, certainly not fairly. So if she's able to 298 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: prove that, and if that is actually the case, that 299 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: is yet another reason why she would be able to 300 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: appeal the verdict. But once again, she's made this claim 301 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: and we have no evidence to back it up. It's 302 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: the same thing with these new claims about the fake Jura. 303 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: You know, That's why I say it feels like her 304 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: legal team is throwing stuff at the wall to see 305 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: if it will stick, because they keep making these very 306 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: sensational claims about why the trial needs to be declared 307 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: a mistrial and why it needs to be redone. But 308 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: we don't yet have any proof to back up any 309 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: of the claims that they're making. Another issue that Trilie 310 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: links and brought up rightfully claims by Heard regarding the 311 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: UK trial. This almost the same issue is tried in 312 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: England and there was a very different result. Long story 313 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: short on that it seems as if amber Heard is claiming, Wow, 314 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: UK got it right, US messed it up. I want 315 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: a mistrial. Take a listen to our cut d again. 316 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: This is amber Heard speaking to our France Savannah. There 317 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: is another trial handled it with the same dealt with 318 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: the same substitutive issues that are even more evidence and 319 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: in fact mine my evidence was largely kept out, really 320 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: important pieces of evidence kept out, done differently, handled differently 321 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: by a judge instead of a jury. Some evidence is 322 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: admissible in a UK court that is not admissible in 323 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: a US court. Do you think that maybe he just 324 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: had better lawyers? I will say his lawyers did certainly 325 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: a better job of distracting the jury from the real issues. 326 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: Kieren Start joining me high profile psychologist joining us from 327 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: New York. You can find her at karen Start dot 328 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: com as Karen with a C. Karen. It seems to 329 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: be a suggestion by her that she wanted a judge 330 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: to preside over the trial. It's referred to as a 331 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: bitch trial here because the bench is a way to 332 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: refer to the judge. She saves to say a judge 333 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: would have been better than a jury. Well is the 334 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: American way. That's how it works here. A jury of 335 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: your peers correct. And what she's saying, what she seems 336 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: to be saying, anyway, is that this jury would bias 337 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: towards him, and that if she had a judge, the 338 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: judge would be unbiased and would find her not guilty. 339 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: But it all sounds so desperate, Nancy, She's really she's 340 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: looking to be vindicated. It's hard to believe that her 341 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: legal team would think even that it was a good 342 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: idea for her to go on with Savannah Gunstree duty 343 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: because she does not come across as somebody who seems 344 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: to be victimized. She changes her story, she comes up 345 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: with things that can't be validated, and that doesn't make 346 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: her look any more believable that she gave originally in 347 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: court in my opinion. You know, let's just put it 348 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: to bed, Daryl Cohen, this latest claim that how she 349 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: needs a mistrial because seemingly the son showed up as 350 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: opposed to the father. Daryl, can we just do a 351 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: lightning round Daryl Cohen joining me high profile a lawyer 352 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, former prosecutor felony crimes, Daryl, 353 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: isn't it true that on appeal you have to show 354 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: actual injury, harm, or prejudice before you get a mistrial? 355 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely lost? Isn't it also true that if there is 356 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: an error at trial that you, the lawyer, could have 357 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: remedied at trial, that will not be a ground for reversal. 358 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: For instance, if you fail to lodge an objection to 359 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: a problem at trial and then you complain about it 360 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: for the first time on appeal, you're not getting a reversal. 361 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely correct. But that's if you knew or should have known. 362 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely Also, in Virginia, which includes of course Fairfax County. 363 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: The voter registration, it's what is used as the jury 364 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: pool that is similar across the country. They use real 365 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: estate records, they use voter registration, they use prior jury lists. 366 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: So would you agree that anything that had happened, Daryl Cohen, 367 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: unless there had been tampering by somebody in the courthouse, 368 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: that this was a mistake that the son, the younger juror, 369 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: came with the same last name as the older girar. 370 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean, unless you want to think the County Clark 371 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: has somehow tampered and thought they'd get a better result 372 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: with a fifty year old versus an eighty year old. 373 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: That's pretty farfetched. It's like the OJ conspiracy theory that 374 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: didn't happen. No, Nancy, I agree with you. But was 375 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: the age of the juror on the jury sheet that 376 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 1: I don't know. They always have their dbes, Daryl Cohen. 377 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: Always every jar print out, you meant, don't you remember 378 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: there would be the name of the jurar, their dB 379 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: their address to make sure they still lived in your jurisdiction, 380 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: Fulton County, because that's what's for part of a jar 381 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: that you're impartial, and that you live in the jurisdiction 382 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: where the incident occurred. That's really all that's required. That's it, 383 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: And then they're the right age. That should be the 384 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: assumption to find her a lot more liabel than Johnny. 385 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: People keep referring to guilty. It's liabel, and that is 386 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: a possibility or maybe even a probability. The reality is 387 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: a fifty two year old may not look at it 388 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: the same way a seventy seven year old does. And 389 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: if the person was the wrong, perfectness should well, if 390 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: it's a wrong person that I think it's tainted, whether 391 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: it's by design or by accident. So then wouldn't you 392 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: agree that this jurar If in that jurisdiction, you can 393 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: only serve on a jury if you've been a convicted felon, 394 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: if you have had your voter rights reinstated, then two 395 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: years after that you can then sit on a jury. So, 396 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: unless this guy didn't live in the jurisdiction or was 397 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: unfair or partial, that he is an appropriate member of 398 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 1: the jury pool. Wouldn't you agree with that? Yes, if 399 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: he was the person called, doesn't matter. If he was 400 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: not the person, he's a suitable member for a jury pool. 401 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: Have you this happened to me once I had a 402 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: defense attorney. I can't remember which one it was. Now, 403 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: come in all bluster, full of piss of vinegar, showing 404 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: off in front of the jury and blurts out at 405 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: the beginning of vodyar jury selection. I'll just take the 406 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: first twelve right in front of the jury. In other words, 407 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: no jury selection, no vetting, no nothing, Just take the 408 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: first twelve that came in the courtroom. What could I do, Daryl, 409 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't say, no way, there could be a nun 410 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: up there. I had to go along with it. I 411 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: actually tried a case with the first twelve jars that 412 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: walked in the room out of eighty jurards. Can you 413 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: believe that that happened? There was a conviction by the way. 414 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: It worked for me, but it didn't work for him. 415 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: So I mean, I think you're acting as if this 416 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: is some scientific formula. It's not. You get a hundred 417 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: people in a courtroom and you start asking them questions 418 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: and you ferret them out and bam. If they all 419 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: live in the jurisdiction, if they don't have a criminal history, 420 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: if they say they can be fair and impartial. They're 421 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: on the jury. If they're the people that are called, 422 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: I've got to tump in here, Nancy and repeat one 423 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: more time. According to the court, the summons that Juror 424 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: fifteen used that was intended for his father had the 425 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: name and the address, but did not have a date 426 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: of birth listed, so the Juror fifteen could have assumed 427 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: that the summons was for him. Well, that's not all 428 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: that's happening right now, Charlie Lankston gave us a little 429 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: hit about more to come take a listen to our 430 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: cut seventy nine. Our Forensic Crime Online reports that Amber 431 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: Heard may be releasing a tell all book have been 432 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: circling for weeks. Radar Online is reporting that Hurt is 433 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: working on a multimillion dollar book deal following her recent 434 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: legal battles. Okay magazine says the release will be a 435 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: gut spelling revenge memoir. Radar also suggests that the payday 436 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: is around fifteen million dollars, but could be more if 437 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: the bidding war breaks out. However, confirmation of a book 438 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: deal has not been made. Did I just hear the words? 439 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: Charlie Lankston joining me from dalmail dot com quote gut 440 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: Spilling Revenge Memoir. Did I hear that correctly? Yes you did. 441 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: And honestly, she's going to get sued again. Exactly if 442 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: we thought that the NBC interview was bad, imagine that, 443 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, over five hundred pages. It's going to be 444 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: an absolute disaster. And I, you know, I really do believe. Look, 445 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: I understand that she doesn't want to kind of go 446 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: down without a fight, but you can't have it both ways. 447 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: You can't say that you want to follow strict judicial 448 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: process and that you want everything to be by the 449 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: book and above board, and the jury selection needs to 450 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: have been verified and all of that kind of stuff. 451 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: But then, on the other hand, having just been found 452 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: guilty of defamation, you can't then go on TV and 453 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: repeat these defamatory allegations. You can't then pen a gut 454 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: spilling Revenge memoir once again rehashing all of these defamatory allegations. 455 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: You have to play the game one way or another, 456 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: and at the moment, she's trying to do both things, 457 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: and it is just portraying her in the most negative light. 458 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: And while I understand that the court of public opinion 459 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: is not the one that rules in you know in 460 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: the courtroom. It certainly is going to impact her in 461 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: a few chair. This kind of behavior is going to 462 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: destroy her career, But in my opinion, the rest of 463 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: her life. I do not believe that anyone will hire 464 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: her to be in a movie again, to be in 465 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 1: a TV show again. Her reputation at this point is 466 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: destroyed to beyond any hope of you know, kind of 467 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: improving it ever again. In my opinion, boy, do I 468 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: disagree there, Champion, You're more than mom. Completely disagree. The 469 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: more the more grief he gives, the more people want 470 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: to see her, the more she's going to get a 471 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: film two or ten because they want to see this 472 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: evil Amber heard. It's all about the box, Charlie, has 473 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the reality of the life. You know, 474 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, you're functioning under the I think it was 475 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: the Barnum Bailey theory of pr I don't care what 476 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: you say about it, just talk about me. So yeah, 477 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: I hear that school of thought. To Jan Guard, chief 478 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: Deputy County Sheriff's Office in Greenville, North Carolina, you like I, 479 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: have represented battered women, your whole line, your whole career. 480 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: You have specialized investigating domestic violence cases. I prosecuted almost 481 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: gosh one hundred percent of the time a male perpetrating 482 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: on a female in domestic abuse or domestic homicide as 483 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: it is coined, and were the hot line the Batter 484 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: Women Center hotline at night for nine years as a 485 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: volunteer John guard. What happened to Amber Heard's case, because 486 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: typically you don't have pictures of bruises, you don't have 487 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: any kind of corroboration. It's her word against his word 488 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: or maybe a cop that shows up on the scene. 489 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: What went wrong and what was seemingly a slam dunk 490 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: case for Amber Heard because buddy, it went side place. Yeah, 491 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure absolutely some things you may have fallen 492 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: through the cracks as you're going through. This is why 493 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: I say I'm just blessed to be in the criminal 494 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: side of the courts where we deal with guilt and 495 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: innocence versus liable or not liable. But you know, having 496 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: law enforcement involved in being able to bring an impartial 497 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: group of individuals who have actually done the investigation certainly 498 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,239 Speaker 1: would would help. That's why, just like you, you know, 499 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: we always encourage people to reach out for help. And 500 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: one of those reasons is you're bringing in impartial people 501 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: into the cycle, into the loop, that can you know, 502 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: grab information that can be potentially later used as evidence. 503 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: But we didn't really have that here. I know there 504 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: was a call we'll hold on Charlie Langston joining me 505 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: from tellingmall dot com. It's I recall several cops showed 506 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: up to herd and Depth's apartment on one of these incidents, 507 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: and I believe they testified they did not see any 508 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: size of battering on ever heard. That is correct. Multiple people, 509 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: including these police officers, testified to say that they never 510 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: saw any evidence of bruising or anything like that on 511 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: Amber heard, and that all of the injuries that she 512 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: was seen displaying when she went to the courtroom to 513 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: get a restraining order against him, that that was actually 514 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: the only instance where she was ever seen with any 515 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: evidence of physical violence towards her. And that was tainted 516 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: because evidence came in from a producer at TMZ that 517 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: either she or someone in her camp had tipped them 518 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: off to come to the courthouse when she was going 519 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: to get a troo against Johnny Depp, and that she 520 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: would be standing in the doorway and she would turn 521 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: her face a certain way so they could get a 522 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: picture the bruise, so bruise or no bruise that tainted 523 00:32:48,040 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: the entire episode Clime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we 524 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: have obtained court documents where the trial judge in this 525 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: case has denied amber Heard's claims and arguments to have 526 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: the entire trial thrown out. Now, let me advise you 527 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: of something. The first step in an appeals process is 528 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: to go to the trial judge and say, hey, there 529 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: was a screw up in the trial. It's very rare 530 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: that a trial judge who has been sitting there presiding 531 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: over the entire trial doing what he or she thinks 532 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: was best, is going to reverse themselves. That's pretty rare. Okay, 533 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: to say, oh, yeah, I screwed up. I had a 534 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: huge error in the trial. Let's just start over. That's 535 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: not going to happen, okay. Once the motion for new 536 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: trial has been adjudicated by the trial judge, then the 537 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: loser and trial appeals to an appellate court. So this 538 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: is basically step one and what's going to be a 539 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: very long process. I've got a pretty good idea of 540 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: why she's doing it. Take a listen to our cut 541 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: eighty one our forensic crime online. TMZ reports that Amberhard's 542 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: latest battle is with her insurance company. The Aquaman actress 543 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: reportedly wants to use a one million dollar liability policy 544 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: with New York Maine and General insurance company, which covers 545 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: defamation and other forms of wrongdoing, but the insurance company 546 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: does not want to pay. TMZ reports the insurance company 547 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: claims that, according to California law, they don't have to 548 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: pay because Hurd committed a willful and malicious act of 549 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: misconduct by defaming the Pirates of the Caribbean actor New 550 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: York Maine is asking for a ruling from the judge, 551 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: saying just that. So, bottom line, you've got two insurance 552 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: companies fighting at out. One insurance company is demanding the 553 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: other insurance company cough up the part they believe is 554 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: owed to reinstate Amber Heard, bottom line, to reimburse her 555 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: or pay for her attorneys. Right now. The insurance company 556 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: is saying, we're not paying because what she did, the 557 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 1: comments she made or intentional, we don't cover that. We'll 558 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: cover if you get a leak under your sink, but 559 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: we're not covering intentional defamatory comments. What about it? Daryl, 560 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: I don't like what they're saying because if she testified 561 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: as to the truth, and that's a very big if, 562 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: then they have to cover her in my view. But 563 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: if she lied, then that's a whole different story. If 564 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: her story was the truth, then she didn't defame him. Well, 565 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: clearly the jury didn't believe it. Absolutely the jury didn't. 566 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: But they didn't believe it because of her body language. 567 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: They didn't believe it because of the way she acted 568 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: in court. They didn't believe it because of what she wore. 569 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: And finally about two thirds of the way through, she 570 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: finally started dressing appropriately. Now she's back to the way 571 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: she was. What are you talking about? What I'm talking 572 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: about his body language, what I'm talking about his facial expressions. 573 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: You're talking about close. It's about close, it's about her face. 574 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: It's about the way she carried herself. And juries look 575 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: at that, and sometimes they really pay attention just in 576 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: the evidence, but usually they want to see the defendant. 577 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,959 Speaker 1: They want to see the victim, they want to see 578 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 1: the plaintiff. They want to see exactly what's going on 579 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: and feel it. And she gave an aura of being bad, 580 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: and that's not good. But there also were a couple 581 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: of instances where she was proven to have lied in 582 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: giving evidence. She claims that she had donated all of 583 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: this money to the ACLU, and then to backtrack on 584 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: the stand and said, oh no, actually, when I said 585 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: that I had donated that money, what I actually meant 586 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: was that I had pledged to donate the money over time. 587 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: She also claimed that Johnny Depp threw Kate Moss down 588 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: the stairs, only to then be incredibly embarrassed when Kate 589 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: Moss herself gave incredible one and a half minute long 590 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: testimony to say that that was not the case, and 591 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: actually she had fallen down and Johnny Depp had rushed 592 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: to her. Aid. Now, while I appreciate that that is 593 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily Amber lying specifically about Johnny Depp abusing her, 594 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: that is evidence that she lied in court. Well, that's 595 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: not all that's happening in the amber her or Johnny 596 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: Depp front take a list of our cut eighty three, 597 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: our friends over at e On June twenty seventh, the 598 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: reports surfaced claiming the After was working on a three 599 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: hundred and one million dollar deal to reboot his iconic 600 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: character Captain Jack Sparrow. On screen four years after the 601 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: actor parted ways with Disney. A source tells Pop Topic 602 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: the company is quote very interested in patching up their 603 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: relationship with Johnny Depp, adding they are very hopeful that 604 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: Johnny will forgive them and return to his iconic character. 605 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: But don't fly your skull and Crossbones flag, Jess Yet 606 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: Sparrell stands. A rep for the actor tells Nbcnews of 607 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: the report, this is made up. That's a far cry 608 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: from what we heard from Johnny Depp himself at trial. 609 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Depp on the stand. But it's 610 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: odd that they were going to release me from my 611 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: role as Captain Jack Sparrow, yet kept me on every 612 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: ride across the world. In the Pirates of the Caribbean rides, 613 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm in Los Angeles or the Hollywoe or whatever it is, 614 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: three or four times Shanghai, I mean all over the world. 615 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: So they didn't remove my character from the rides. They 616 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: didn't stop selling merchandise of Captain Jack Sparrow. They didn't 617 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: stop selling dolls of Captain Jack Sparrow. They didn't stop 618 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: selling anything. They just want there to be something trailing 619 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: behind me that they'd find and you aren't aware. You 620 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: said Pirate six in your view is dangling. You're you're 621 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: not aware of if or when Pirate six will be 622 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: made correct. And the fact is, mister Depp, if Disney 623 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: came to you with three hundred million dollars and a 624 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: million alpacas, nothing on this earth would get you to 625 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: go back and work with Disney on a pirate of 626 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: the Caribbean films, true, mister Rodenbourne. You know what, I've 627 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: got a very strong feeling, Charlie Lankston, that if Disney 628 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: asked Depp to be Jack Sparrow again, he would do it. 629 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: What's the word, Charlie, I absolutely agree with you, And 630 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: I think the truth of the matter is, you know, 631 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp was persona non grotta in Hollywood for a 632 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: number of years after all of this Ambahad stuff came out. 633 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: And I think that really what he wanted from this 634 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: defamation trial was not to bankrupt Amber heard. He didn't 635 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: want her to give him eight million dollars. What he 636 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: wanted was to restore his reputation so that he can 637 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: be Hollywood great Johnny Depp again. And I think that 638 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: if Disney comes begging, and you know, comes calling he 639 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: would absolutely do one of the movies, if anything, because 640 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: it serves, as you know, the ultimate piece of evidence 641 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: that Johnny Depp is back and that he should never 642 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 1: have been cast out of Hollywood in the first place, 643 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: and that his reputation is well and truly restored. Because 644 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: if Disney is willing to work with him again after 645 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: throwing him out of their movies, that sends a message 646 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,439 Speaker 1: to the world that they believe he is innocent. And 647 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, if the most magical place on earth is 648 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: happy to back your character, then so should everyone else. 649 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: What can you tell me? I'm better dept. Project dealing 650 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: with Louis the Fifteenth. So he is rumored to be 651 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: working on a new Netflix backed feature film in which 652 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: he will portray King Louis the fifteenth. It will be 653 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: a French film. It's going to be his first French film. Obviously, 654 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 1: he was married to a French model many years ago, 655 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: Vanessa Paradise, so he has a long standing connection with France. 656 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: And you know, this is kind of one of those 657 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,760 Speaker 1: projects that could really throw him back into the mix 658 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: of this generation's great kind of acting legends. And I 659 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: think that that's what he wants to do. I think 660 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: that he wants to get back to his first and 661 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: foremost passion, and that is being in front of the 662 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: cameras portraying great movie roles. And the Herd said it herself. 663 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: He is a phenomenal actor. He is a brilliant actor, 664 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: and that's what he wants to get back to doing. Well. 665 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: The word is. It has not been confirmed that Netflix 666 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: will stream Louis the fifteen. I believe that the working 667 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: title is La Favorite, The Favorite, and that it will 668 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: stream on Netflix fifteen months after the French theatrical release 669 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: of the movie. We'll see if that happens. Of course, 670 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: everybody and America wants to know will there be a 671 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: Captain Jack Sparrow movie put out by Disney? But what 672 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: I want to know is how this will all play out. 673 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: Is the Amber Heard versus Johnny Depp trial over? Well, yes, 674 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: for now anyway. In the latest courtroom twist and turn, 675 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 1: the trial judge has denied Amber Heard's request demand for 676 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: a brand new trial, including her claim that there was 677 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: a juror impersonator. I'd like to say it's all over. 678 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: I've got a funny feeling she'll be back. Fancy Gray's 679 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories signing off goodbye,