WEBVTT - MFM Minisode 490

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome. I'm my favorite Murder. That's Georgia Heart Start,

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<v Speaker 1>that's here and Kilgariff. This is the mini son. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a mini Soo. It's the Miniso. I know it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a little more relaxed when we do the minisod

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<v Speaker 1>because we don't have to think too much. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just reading. We don't have to be charming. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>does it for us in the letters. That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is us floating in the in I'm literally making

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<v Speaker 2>a list of what to get at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Grocery store later. This is like summer school for my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite murder.

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<v Speaker 2>What a rude way to approach this gift of an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity we have positively, I know I didn't mean that

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<v Speaker 2>you No, No, I meant to me where I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 2>what am I doing?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the intro to this fucking show? We've only

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<v Speaker 1>been doing it, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ten and a half now ten and a half,

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<v Speaker 2>we're over the ten year March.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to stop looking back. We have to start

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to.

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<v Speaker 1>The next ten and a half years. Why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>go first?

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't I in full gratitude, I read you an

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<v Speaker 2>email with the subject line serial Killer dinner party.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go. Now we're back back on track.

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<v Speaker 2>I recently came into a treasure of a story from

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<v Speaker 2>my aunt, let's call her e. Aunt E was a

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<v Speaker 2>longtime dental assistant of a small dental practice in the

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<v Speaker 2>Sacramento area in the eighties and ninetiest represent One of

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<v Speaker 2>their frequent patients was none other than the Dorothia Plente. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>it says, yep, two exclamations flints. Imagine how thrilled I

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<v Speaker 2>was to have my aunt regale me a murderino with

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<v Speaker 2>this thriller. So if you want to go listen to

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<v Speaker 2>our Dorothia Pointe episode, which of course I covered because

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<v Speaker 2>we lived too down from her when I lived in

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<v Speaker 2>Sacramento in the very late eighties early nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>What episode numbers that was so long?

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<v Speaker 2>That was episode thirty seven that was entitled liminal Space.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, look for the rewind of that, guys. Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So it goes back into this email saying after a

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<v Speaker 2>frequent and when I say it, I mean myself, after

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<v Speaker 2>frequent appointments, they became friendly. My aunt is a lovely,

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<v Speaker 2>warm lady who can shat it up with anyone. She

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<v Speaker 2>even attended a dinner party at Dorothea's house. Yep, that house.

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<v Speaker 2>She said Dorothea was an excellent cook. The dinner table

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<v Speaker 2>was set in Dorothea's renters were all there except for one.

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<v Speaker 2>My aunt mentioned the empty plate, and she said Dorothea

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<v Speaker 2>stood up and opened the door just off the dining

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<v Speaker 2>room to reveal a man passed out on the bed

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<v Speaker 2>and said something to the effect of him sleeping it off.

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<v Speaker 2>My aunt said his head was hanging off the bed,

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<v Speaker 2>but she assumed he passed out because she knew Dorothea's

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<v Speaker 2>renters were men often struggling with alcohol. Addiction is like

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<v Speaker 2>the ultimate manipulation totally. You have people who it's indefensible

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<v Speaker 2>because the worst is always assumed right and the best

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<v Speaker 2>of her intentions.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the best victims because nobody takes them seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Right then it says, was he just passed out? Aunt

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<v Speaker 2>e would wonder about this later. Fast forward to nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight, Dorothea had an appointment and noticed my aunt

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't her normal cheerful self. My aunt, my dad, and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of their seven siblings had just returned from

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<v Speaker 2>burying their father in Oklahoma, and she was still grieving.

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<v Speaker 2>When she explained this, she said, Dorothea grabbed her forearm

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<v Speaker 2>with both hands and looked closely in her eyes and

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<v Speaker 2>said everyone has to die sometime.

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<v Speaker 1>Chill, so chill. He says, holy shit, right right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean also, it's the grabbing. That's the one two

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<v Speaker 2>punch intense. Once the truth of Dorothea's deeds were revealed

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<v Speaker 2>to my aunt, she actually got subpoenaed to give evidence

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<v Speaker 2>to the da aunt e who has the gift of gab,

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<v Speaker 2>definitely filled them in on what she How could you

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<v Speaker 2>not go over every minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Details like gossiping on the stand. You're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>believe what she thought and said to me.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, I was there, I was part of this

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<v Speaker 2>whole nightmare. Grab my arm, she grabbed my both with

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<v Speaker 2>her hands. And then it just says stay sexy and

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<v Speaker 2>be leery of little old bespectacle ladies.

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<v Speaker 1>Heidi. You know it's so weird to me is that

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<v Speaker 1>you can be a straight up serial killer and still

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<v Speaker 1>be up to date on your dental cleanings. Like what

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<v Speaker 1>it happens in your mind that you're like, oh, gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go to the dentist, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they're going to take care of themselves, their teach,

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<v Speaker 2>their comfort, their thing, but in their brain, the broken

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<v Speaker 2>part is that they care about anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so weird to me that, like, you can

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<v Speaker 1>have such horrible, you know, actions and thoughts and still

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<v Speaker 1>go do a normal thing like going to the dentist.

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<v Speaker 2>And still have clean, fresh breath.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, like I struggle going to the dentist when

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean cold case solved after twenty plus years,

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<v Speaker 1>Dear Georgia and Karen all caps, my time has come finally.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are rock stars, and thank you for everything

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<v Speaker 1>you've done for me over the years. I started listening

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty eighteen, and I can't begin to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>how excited I am to finally have a solid story

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<v Speaker 1>to share with you. Okay, so here it goes. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety eight, four teenagers in Medina, Ohio, about forty

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<v Speaker 1>miles from where I live, found two suitcases off the

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<v Speaker 1>I seventy seven inside where human remains that had been dismembered.

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<v Speaker 1>The victim's hands, feet, and head were missing, which made

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<v Speaker 1>identification impossible at the time. Remember, I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>now we'll never know who it is. Back then, the

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<v Speaker 1>case went cold for over two decades your favorite. Fast

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<v Speaker 1>forward to twenty twenty three. With new DNA technology, the

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<v Speaker 1>victim was finally identified as Laurence a drotlift. After that identification,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators uncovered something even more disturbing. His son, Larry Drow

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one, had been fraudulently collecting his father's Social Security

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<v Speaker 1>benefits for years, telling people his father had simply moved away.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know this one, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, it sounds familiar, but it sounds like the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>kids finding like severed human remains in suitcases. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>couple that start like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Eventually Larry confessed that he came home from work

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<v Speaker 1>one day and found his father deceased in their home.

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<v Speaker 1>He then dismembered the body and disposed of it along

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<v Speaker 1>I seventy seven in the suitcases. Then he went to

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<v Speaker 1>the dentist. I'm just kidding. Oh sorry, I had to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's the vibe, but this is your to

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<v Speaker 2>do list.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me just stop on the way. It's like.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea that it's like you're trying to explain this

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<v Speaker 2>to any authorities going And then I dismembered my father.

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<v Speaker 1>He was already dead, so I thought no, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>I can do now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that only sounds normal to a complete psychopath.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where it gets absolutely insane. My stepdad told me

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<v Speaker 1>he watched a documentary about this case a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not usually in a true crime, but was interested

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<v Speaker 1>in the story in the close location. My stepdad is

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<v Speaker 1>also in recovery whoo, and he said a few years

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<v Speaker 1>back he met a man at a meeting and started

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<v Speaker 1>giving him rides. He would pick him up from his

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<v Speaker 1>apartment where he lived only about five minutes away from

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<v Speaker 1>our home. Fast forward this week, a mutual acquaintance sent

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<v Speaker 1>over an article about this solved cold case. My stepdad

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<v Speaker 1>read it and thought about that documentary he had watched

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. He was amazed to hear that the case

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<v Speaker 1>was reopened and solved. Then he realized the man he

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<v Speaker 1>had been giving rides to and spending time with was

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<v Speaker 1>none other than Larry Drotliff. My stepdad said he always

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<v Speaker 1>had a weird feeling about him, but couldn't explain why.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I have that about everybody, but.

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<v Speaker 2>That is that thing where it's like when they say

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<v Speaker 2>you look at somebody and they have like dead eyes

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<v Speaker 2>or there's just absolutely no kind of chemical connection to

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<v Speaker 2>them as a and it makes you like get all

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<v Speaker 2>freaked out, but on an animal level.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just kidding. I don't feel that about anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm friendly to everyone for some fucking reason. Anyways, Stay

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<v Speaker 1>sexy and always trust your gut.

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<v Speaker 2>Sylvia Sylvia great name, by the way, such a good name.

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<v Speaker 2>Also just like to have interacted in a very mundane way,

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<v Speaker 2>like a dental way with a person, and.

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<v Speaker 1>A meaningful way, because when you're in in recovery with

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<v Speaker 1>someone and in you know, alcoholics anonymous, like you have

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<v Speaker 1>a bond there that is beyond just acquaintances.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I want to know what the true details of

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of that story are.

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<v Speaker 1>Four teenagers in nineteen ninety eight finding a suitcase with

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<v Speaker 1>that's some fucking horror movie on the highway and there's

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<v Speaker 1>something so I don't know why it's like so much.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why I like books placed in the nineties

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<v Speaker 1>or before so much better. They didn't have cell phones,

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<v Speaker 1>They had no way to contact with anyone. They had

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<v Speaker 1>to run to the fucking you know, gas station and

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<v Speaker 1>call the police. They had no like connection, yeah, no

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<v Speaker 1>way to like reach out. It was just them and

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking suitcase. Yes, and that's where my book.

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<v Speaker 2>Gets and that's where your film kicks off. Well solved,

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<v Speaker 2>cold case. You love it, We love those.

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<v Speaker 1>I checked one off the list of nine billion, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting close.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's change the tone with the trash dog and trash

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<v Speaker 2>dad story. Okay, it says high MFM crew and fellow

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<v Speaker 2>mardarinas you recently asked for garbage dad or garbage dog stories,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have a story with both. A couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, my husband and I decided to take our

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<v Speaker 2>two young boys to Dallas to visit the Great Wolf Lodge.

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<v Speaker 2>We were going for almost a week and needed someone

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<v Speaker 2>to watch our two year old eighty pound Golden Retriever Nelly.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents were between homes at the time, living in

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<v Speaker 2>a fifth wheel trailer and then in brackets.

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<v Speaker 1>It says a too bol rv.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's fine, We're fine, And it says after moving

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<v Speaker 2>out of a four thousand square foot home, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they'd really like to stay in our house to

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy more room ac a washer and dryer, etc. The

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<v Speaker 2>only stipulation would be that they had to take care

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<v Speaker 2>of the dog. They agreed and saved us a fortune

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<v Speaker 2>and boarding fees, or so we thought. Oh Jesus, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we love an or so we thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Story.

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<v Speaker 2>The day we left, my sweet mom decided to take

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<v Speaker 2>the dog for a walk. I had instructed her to

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<v Speaker 2>only use a leash if they went walking around the neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 2>and not on the dirt paths across the street, as

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<v Speaker 2>our dog was used to running free on those paths. However,

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<v Speaker 2>my nervous mom didn't want Nellie to get lost, so

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<v Speaker 2>she put the leash on her and proceeded to walk

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<v Speaker 2>her along the dirt path.

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<v Speaker 1>She did the responsible thing. I do the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>if it was someone else's dog, right, you know, sure, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Just as they were finishing, Nellie spotted wildlife and took

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<v Speaker 2>off after it, without regard to the lady holding the leash.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom was yanked hard and fell to the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>When she tried to get up, she found she couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>as her hip was broken, fucking which unfortunately she knew

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<v Speaker 2>from experience. She called out for help and tried to

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<v Speaker 2>drag herself, but she had left her phone at home

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<v Speaker 2>charging and no one could see her from the road.

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<v Speaker 2>As she fell behind a patch of safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Like nineteen ninety eight all over again.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the garbage dog thought my mom was on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground to play and get kisses, so she decided

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<v Speaker 2>to slobber all over Mom while she cried out for help. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>two hours later, we were at the airport when my

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<v Speaker 2>ring doorbell notification went off. I opened the app and

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<v Speaker 2>watched as a man informed my dad that his wife

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<v Speaker 2>had fallen across the street and thinks her hip is broken.

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<v Speaker 2>Our wonderful neighbor heard something from his backyard, decided to

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<v Speaker 2>investigate and found my mom lying in the dirt, unable

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<v Speaker 2>to walk. He got my dad and they called an ambulance.

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<v Speaker 2>I repeatedly called to find out if she was okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but I got no answer, as both parents had left

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<v Speaker 2>their phones at my house. I finally asked another neighbor

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<v Speaker 2>to track down our hero neighbor to find out what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on. It turns out that my dad had

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<v Speaker 2>watched TV through the whole thing, even though my mom

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<v Speaker 2>was gone much longer than she said she would be.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom was convinced that he wouldn't have come looking

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<v Speaker 2>for her until morning, and based on his past record,

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<v Speaker 2>she's probably right. She ended up getting her third hip replacement.

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<v Speaker 2>Third hip replacement surgery and the first for that hip,

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<v Speaker 2>and Nellie ended up being boarded until we got home.

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<v Speaker 2>My lucky sister also had two house guests for the

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<v Speaker 2>next few months while my mom recovered, as she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to stay with us and chanced my garbage dog

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<v Speaker 2>injuring her further.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably a pretty good call.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay sexy and think twice before letting your garbage Dad

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<v Speaker 2>and Osteoporosa's riddled mom dog sit.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad girl. He didn't mean it bad girl, but very

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<v Speaker 1>good girl. It was a squirrel. Look at that face.

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<v Speaker 2>What she's supposed to do if a squirrel comes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a perfect perm Oh gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it. That dog only wants what's best for

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<v Speaker 2>all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when my dad almost killed Elvis when we were

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<v Speaker 1>on tour. We lit in Australia, and I had had

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<v Speaker 1>a bag of all his pills in treats, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the pil pill pockets. There was his heart medication.

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<v Speaker 1>He had one a day. My dad left the bag

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<v Speaker 1>out and so Elvis of course chewed through it because

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<v Speaker 1>he was a monster, and my dad was like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a cat, he doesn't do that, and like, yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>does ate all of his fucking heart pills, and Vince

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<v Speaker 1>was like, if you killed George's cat, She's never gonna

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<v Speaker 1>speak to you again.

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<v Speaker 2>He was fine, and somehow he powered through it.

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<v Speaker 1>He got he was a dump truck. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>he was three more years. Frank, Frank is Alvis's fine? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is called I wish I went to this high school. Hi, covin,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I had been with my boyfriend for an unsettlingly long

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<v Speaker 1>time before he thought to share with me two of

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<v Speaker 1>the best stories I've ever heard, both of which occurred

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<v Speaker 1>during the same period, the late nineties, at his high

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<v Speaker 1>school in Oregon. The first is about a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>DeAndre who transferred from California and immediately became a model

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<v Speaker 1>student and extremely popular. Everyone thought DeAndre was cool. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only was he a basketball star at a old school

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<v Speaker 1>in Beverly Hills, but he drove a flashy red Camaro

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<v Speaker 1>and word quickly spread that his aunt was Diana Ross.

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<v Speaker 2>That's always the rumor, especially if you go to a

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<v Speaker 2>tiny white time right and there's someone of colors shows

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<v Speaker 2>up there, and that's that's the stuff that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally. I forge didn't mind it. I drove a Camaro

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<v Speaker 1>and my aunt Diana Ross.

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<v Speaker 2>You show up and you're just like, that's right, you

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<v Speaker 2>should absolutely kiss my ane.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not denying it. Yeah. He got straight a's, rose

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<v Speaker 1>to the top of his class and was genuinely nice

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<v Speaker 1>and friendly to everyone, so much so that he was

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<v Speaker 1>elected to student government that winter. He was chosen to

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<v Speaker 1>sing a prize solo at the Christmas concert. Then two

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<v Speaker 1>days later, choir practice was interrupted by the police bursting

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<v Speaker 1>in to arrest him. Turns out DeAndre wasn't seventeen after all.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh these are my favorites. Oh these are my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>But a thirty one year old convicted felon on the run.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, he's not just doing it for fun. He

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<v Speaker 1>made like a fucking Drew Barrymore movie out of his

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<v Speaker 1>fucking life.

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<v Speaker 2>He's reversed twenty one jump streeting it right. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not the cops coming into your high school. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the robbers companist right.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually had attended this high school fifteen years earlier

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<v Speaker 1>and remembered it as the happiest time of his life,

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<v Speaker 1>hence his decision to hide out there for a while. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's my next fucking book and how it starts like

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<v Speaker 1>how sweet is that?

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<v Speaker 2>But also, please write a book about any high schooler

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<v Speaker 2>that is the best time of their life?

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<v Speaker 1>Is high school? True?

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus, get it all down well you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazily enough, he even had one or two of the

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<v Speaker 1>same teachers, none of whom seemed to recognize him. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole scenario is one of my absolute favorite movie tropes.

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<v Speaker 1>So the fact that this actually happened in real life

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<v Speaker 1>is a dream come true that has to be made

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<v Speaker 1>into a movie. Yes, and this is from Sarah, and

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<v Speaker 1>she put fucking links. This is all this all checks out.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like proof, and then she writes and then it

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<v Speaker 1>gets even better at the same time, all caps at

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<v Speaker 1>the same school, another popular student, this one student body president,

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<v Speaker 1>was living out his own cinematic fantasy. Tom was charming, smart,

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<v Speaker 1>an eagle scout, a track star, and homecoming king. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>there's links. This sounds like bullshit, it's not. He also

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<v Speaker 1>happened to be a serial armed robber, terrorizing local businesses

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<v Speaker 1>throughout his senior year. When they get started out early,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost impressive, like those cheerleaders who were robbing a bank. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like I was just fucking ditching school to

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<v Speaker 1>smoke cigarettes by that tree.

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<v Speaker 2>I always felt like I had low like iron, poor blood,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like I always felt so

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<v Speaker 2>tired and so you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I need peanut butter for energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Jobbing a planning and robbing a buck bank.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't finish like a book for a book report.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't take change out of my mom's purse without

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<v Speaker 1>her hearing me upstairs. I'm not fucking running into a bank.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't sneak in or out of my house successfully. Ever,

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<v Speaker 2>How do I rob this bank? And they're just killing

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<v Speaker 2>it all over town?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there's so many things we could have done when

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<v Speaker 1>we were younger. Look at us now, this is the alternative.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was finally caught, his accomplice was arrested, but

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<v Speaker 1>Tom managed to escape to Mexico side as a teenager. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Oregon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these aren't These aren't my Remember the two guys

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<v Speaker 2>from Grant High School? Karen and I just looked it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that this is your guy. This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is my guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember the story of the two people in high school

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<v Speaker 2>together that started. They were like the kings of the

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<v Speaker 2>high school, but they started robbing businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>What episode is this small? It's so fascinating. This was

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<v Speaker 1>from the live show. Yeah, remember Karen covered it in Oregon?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in Portland's amazing. Yes, all right, I kept talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the high school.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, yeah, no, now I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but only only us in the Portland Murderino's note,

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<v Speaker 2>cause we haven't done it yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah clearly wasn't there. Yes, when he was finally caught accomplice.

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<v Speaker 1>Side note, my boyfriend's sister tells me this arrest actually

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<v Speaker 1>happened on prom night. You can't make this shit up.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom successfully head out in Mexico for months, even going

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<v Speaker 1>so far as to party with thirty seven of his

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<v Speaker 1>high school classmates who traveled there for a graduation trip. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>none of them tipped off the police man, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>fucking rats.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember this one. You have photos of them.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, pieces like so many of these stories are

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<v Speaker 2>similar baseline, but then those details come up, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, wait a second.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just always remember the time that you were halfway

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<v Speaker 1>through a story about Circleville on stage live when I

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<v Speaker 1>realized I had already told that story on Drunk History,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just hadn't come out yet because I complete

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<v Speaker 1>I blacked it out literally.

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<v Speaker 2>Right goodness, because you were on drunk History. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 2>a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, none of them took off the police. Tom did

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<v Speaker 1>eventually turn himself in months later after seeing himself on

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<v Speaker 1>America's Most Wanted. I remember this. It still baffles me

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<v Speaker 1>that it took my boyfriend over two years to share

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<v Speaker 1>what has to be the coolest and most important thing

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<v Speaker 1>ever to happen to him in his life. But knowing

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<v Speaker 1>his proximity to these absolutely delicious tales made me love

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<v Speaker 1>him even more than I already did. I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 1>it's the only reason we're now engaged, but it definitely

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hurt. Stay sexy and don't trust the popular guy, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>Something in the water there getting away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, someone opened a portal to hell down in like

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<v Speaker 2>the basement, and just a bunch of weird energy came

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<v Speaker 2>out that summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Eugene, It's just going crazy, Gene, Oregon.

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<v Speaker 2>Well amazing and look forward to that episode in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>We can like future market that one.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a follow up to minnesod for eighty two.

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<v Speaker 2>My Mom's legendary radio contest win in honor of our

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<v Speaker 2>beloved Banana Boys, Hello, guys, gals and non binary pals

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<v Speaker 2>of MFM. I'm writing in as a direct follow up

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<v Speaker 2>to the story in minnesod for eighty two about the

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<v Speaker 2>kid who won the trip to Disney from the TV contest. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember that? Kind of It reminded me that

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<v Speaker 2>the early two thousands were truly the wild West of

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<v Speaker 2>local radio contest Very true, So of course I need

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you how my mom Don entered one and

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<v Speaker 2>became a local legend.

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<v Speaker 1>Don is everyone's mom's name, Don's.

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<v Speaker 2>She had a long in the summer of two thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>our local radio station announced at Britney Spears listening contest

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<v Speaker 2>at our local mall the prize front row seats to

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<v Speaker 2>the oops, I did it again, tour Take me there.

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<v Speaker 2>My sister and I were fully possessed by the spirit

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<v Speaker 2>of Brittany. My dad, Dan, who had a heart of

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<v Speaker 2>gold but is also a lifelong prankster, entered the contest

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<v Speaker 2>every single day to get us a shot at winning tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>Aw the catch. He entered using my mom's name.

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<v Speaker 2>When the radio station called her to say that she

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<v Speaker 2>had been chosen to compete. She was horrified. No, to

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<v Speaker 2>make matters worse. My dad then told us kids, all

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<v Speaker 2>caps told us kids, so we would get excited.

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<v Speaker 1>In pure pressure my mom to do it. It's so sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see why you married him. But no, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do karaoke in the mall, in public public.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a prank to a level that is dastardly

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<v Speaker 2>and insane and hilarious. But also just think of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm gonna put my name in one time when

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<v Speaker 2>we were.

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<v Speaker 1>At Magic Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Oh my god. No, I was gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>the one where I was in New York and it

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<v Speaker 2>was Maurice's Crisis, which is where all the Broadway singers

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<v Speaker 2>go to sing songs around a real piano, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden they're like, Karen, get up here, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I got so mad and I just

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<v Speaker 2>walked out where I'm just like, don't shame me in

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<v Speaker 2>front of these talented people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's diabolical. Okay. So so also, you're a great singer.

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<v Speaker 1>If I were you, I would have gone the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>up there and say.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it, thank you. It's it's all Annie, It's

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<v Speaker 2>straight out my nose. Annie, and those people are like

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<v Speaker 2>opera stars and we just don't want That's not how

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<v Speaker 2>we have fun, got it?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So my mom has massive social anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, okay, I don't know about this, Dad, this

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<v Speaker 1>is town. He did. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan knew, right, Dan and Dawn Dan and Don Dan

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<v Speaker 2>knew that Don had social anxiety. But my dad knew

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<v Speaker 2>she would be weak to seeing our tiny, hopeful faces.

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<v Speaker 2>She decided to say fuck it to the anxiety and

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<v Speaker 2>yes to trying to make her kids'.

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<v Speaker 1>Dreams come true. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>She thrifted an aggressively hot glued a music video accurate

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<v Speaker 2>school girl outfit. She recorded episodes of TRL on a

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<v Speaker 2>VHS tape and watched the Baby One More Time video

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<v Speaker 2>on a loop, breaking down the choreography like she was

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<v Speaker 2>preparing for the Olympics. She committed to the bit. The

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<v Speaker 2>day of the contest arrives at our classic sprawling nineties mall.

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<v Speaker 2>This stage was, I kid you not built directly on

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<v Speaker 2>top of the mall fountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The competition was stiff. There were dozens of contestants, including

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<v Speaker 2>several drag queens. Oh so genius as a sheltered kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean those drag queens were like, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>win this hands down. This is what we do as

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<v Speaker 2>a sheltered kid. I remember whispering, look at all those

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<v Speaker 2>other dads competing for their daughters.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah so sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>When it was Don's turn, she stepped onto that fountain

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<v Speaker 2>stage and a pleated skirt and pigtails.

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<v Speaker 1>She said she.

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<v Speaker 2>Blacked out from nerves, but I remember the audience losing

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<v Speaker 2>their minds. She nailed every hair flip and snap and

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<v Speaker 2>was crowned winner of the Britney Spears lip sync.

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<v Speaker 1>Battle on wind On for the win.

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<v Speaker 2>A month later, we sat in the literal front row

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<v Speaker 2>watching Brittany, My badass mom, who had just conquered her

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<v Speaker 2>greatest fear atop of Mall Fountain, danced the entire night

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<v Speaker 2>with us. Shout out to all the moms who will

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<v Speaker 2>embarrass the shut out of themselves to make their kids

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<v Speaker 2>dreams come true. And a special shout out to my

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<v Speaker 2>og Murderino mom who used to tell me terrifying true

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<v Speaker 2>stories about her childhood growing up on eight Mile in

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit just to make sure I'd lock the doors and

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<v Speaker 2>fuck politeness. Yeah, stay sexy and lip sync for your

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<v Speaker 2>life Katie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what a great story.

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<v Speaker 2>Don On.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's for you, your number one. Did we tell

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<v Speaker 1>people to send us when they won contests because I

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<v Speaker 1>think they should.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, especially if your contest got If the the battle

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<v Speaker 2>took place at the mall, yeah, you wanted it or

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<v Speaker 2>or you lost lost it. For sure, you shamed yourself

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<v Speaker 2>and your family deeply, right in front of missus Field's cookies.

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<v Speaker 1>I want a modeling contest at them all once, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I don't want to talk about it. You're

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<v Speaker 1>ten revealed.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to talk about you. Can you just

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<v Speaker 2>say those words again and look me in the fay? No,

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia one, I won, she won the modeling contest.

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<v Speaker 1>I was obsessed with Kate Moss, so I like knew

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<v Speaker 1>the walk and I had gotten a barber'son where trained

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<v Speaker 1>to be a model and looked like one or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god you didn't get trafficked.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus you should have. There was like a guy with

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking hook waiting to pull me out. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>get for winning? I got? I went to this like

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<v Speaker 1>scout camp thing and I don't want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yes, you do, and we're gonna do a whole

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<v Speaker 2>special episode in the fan colts.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody sign up. There's a reason it's been ten years

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<v Speaker 1>and I haven't told you that this is a photo incredible,

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<v Speaker 1>We better get the pictures. In ten years, you can

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<v Speaker 1>get the photo. Okay, like a Ponzi scheme. Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>one's serious. It's the beginning of Pride months. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>pay tribute to the amazing life of Kay Lahoson, America's

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<v Speaker 1>first lesbian photojournalist. Nice Hi MFM gang. Back in nursing school,

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<v Speaker 1>I had my first clinical experience at an assisted living

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<v Speaker 1>home in Pennsylvania. During my clinical I met a resident

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<v Speaker 1>named Kay Lahoson, who described herself as a gay lady

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<v Speaker 1>who takes pictures. This is one of the old ladies

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<v Speaker 1>at the home. As a newly out twenty year old,

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<v Speaker 1>I was intrigued. I imagine the people you meet there

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<v Speaker 1>are just like ready to tell you their story.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, how rare that would be, at least

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<v Speaker 2>for thinking that generationally. It's a very new thing for

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<v Speaker 2>I think a personally be like, hey, totally yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned via Google as she was incredibly humble that

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<v Speaker 1>Kay was the first openly lesbian American photojournalist. While living

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<v Speaker 1>in Boston in the early sixties, she met Barbara Gettings

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<v Speaker 1>and they soon fell in love. During this time, they

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<v Speaker 1>both worked for a lesbian magazine called The Latter Ledder.

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara served as the editor and Kay was the art director.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty three, the art on the cover of

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<v Speaker 1>the magazine was, as Kay described it, quote pretty bland,

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<v Speaker 1>little cats, insipid human figures and quote little cat, little cats.

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<v Speaker 2>For a lesbian magazine, and then of course ladders implied lesbianism.

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<v Speaker 1>Kay, a lifelong photographer, wanted to show actual people lesbians

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<v Speaker 1>on the cover instead. The first photo was of two

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<v Speaker 1>women taken from the back. Kay then fought to show

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<v Speaker 1>actual faces on the cover. She stated, quote if you

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<v Speaker 1>go around as if you don't dare show your face,

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<v Speaker 1>it sends forth a terrible message. From the mid sixties

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<v Speaker 1>on k photographed all sorts of women for the cover

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<v Speaker 1>of the magazine. She went onto photograph Barber, Gettings and

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<v Speaker 1>others picketing at Independence Hall until the late sixties. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies, she was part of the founding of the

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<v Speaker 1>Gay Activists Alliance. In nineteen seventy two, she worked closely

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<v Speaker 1>with the GAA to push for removal of homosexuality from

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<v Speaker 1>the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual Mental Disorders. We

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<v Speaker 1>all know they have a chapter about us in. Kay

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<v Speaker 1>and Barbara worked together for forty six years before Barbara

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<v Speaker 1>passed in two thousand and seven, Kay living until twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. Up until her death, she worked as an activist,

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<v Speaker 1>publishing multiple books on her photographs and fighting for the

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<v Speaker 1>rights of LGBTQ plus people. Ky and Barbara's ashes are

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<v Speaker 1>interned inside a stone bench in the Congressional Cemetery. The

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<v Speaker 1>bench is in grave with the phrase gay is Good

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a photo if you want to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweet little that's beautiful with all the bride flags. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew Kay for a very short amount of time, but

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<v Speaker 1>the work that she did for my community is nothing

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<v Speaker 1>short of spectacular. I remember that her room at the

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<v Speaker 1>assisted living facility was full of photographs. I hope she

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<v Speaker 1>knew just how much she had done for so many

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<v Speaker 1>I know that this is not the typical topic that

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<v Speaker 1>you cover, but I wanted to share a little about

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<v Speaker 1>this woman who had a profound impact on me. She was,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time the only older adult queer person. I

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<v Speaker 1>had ever met ChEls. Up until then, I hadn't been

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<v Speaker 1>able to picture growing old with a woman that I loved.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes my heart so happy to know that she

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<v Speaker 1>got her love story, just like we all deserve. Stay

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<v Speaker 1>saxy and remember that gay is good. Okay they then, yes,

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 1>we have the same name. Yes, I think it's rad.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that it's like a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I know where it's like, Oh, you just work at

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<v Speaker 2>an old folks home and then there's one lady that

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 2>you hit it off with and is so interestedary and

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<v Speaker 2>she's a legend.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a photo of her, that's all. Oh, look at her.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and those are her photographs. Look at the latter.

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<v Speaker 2>In a lesbian review, it says, yes, and sorry, the

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<v Speaker 2>latter started like in the fifties. Is that what you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It was around? It seems like it says that the

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<v Speaker 1>magazine started in nineteen fifty six, fifty six. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to find those are in a state sale.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, right, it's so good, so good. Well,

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 2>that's a really nice email to end for Pride Month.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, perfect, Send us your stories whatever they may be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who have you discovered in your that surprised you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was actually turned out to be a legend totally. Uh. Well, everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>stay sexy and don't get murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>Goodbye, Elvis, Do you want to Cookie?

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