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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome. I'm my favorite Murder. That's Georgia Heart Start,

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Speaker 1: that's here and Kilgariff. This is the mini son. It's

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Speaker 1: a mini Soo. It's the Miniso. I know it feels

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Speaker 1: like a little more relaxed when we do the minisod

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Speaker 1: because we don't have to think too much. That's right,

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Speaker 1: we're just reading. We don't have to be charming. Everyone

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Speaker 1: does it for us in the letters. That's right.

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Speaker 2: This is us floating in the in I'm literally making

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Speaker 2: a list of what to get at the.

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Speaker 1: Grocery store later. This is like summer school for my

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Speaker 1: favorite murder.

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Speaker 2: What a rude way to approach this gift of an

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Speaker 2: opportunity we have positively, I know I didn't mean that

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Speaker 2: you No, No, I meant to me where I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: what am I doing?

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Speaker 1: What is the intro to this fucking show? We've only

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Speaker 1: been doing it, but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ten and a half now ten and a half,

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Speaker 2: we're over the ten year March.

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: We have to stop looking back. We have to start

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Speaker 2: looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: The next ten and a half years. Why don't you

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Speaker 1: go first?

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Speaker 2: Why don't I in full gratitude, I read you an

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Speaker 2: email with the subject line serial Killer dinner party.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Now we're back back on track.

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Speaker 2: I recently came into a treasure of a story from

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Speaker 2: my aunt, let's call her e. Aunt E was a

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Speaker 2: longtime dental assistant of a small dental practice in the

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Speaker 2: Sacramento area in the eighties and ninetiest represent One of

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Speaker 2: their frequent patients was none other than the Dorothia Plente. Yep,

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Speaker 2: it says, yep, two exclamations flints. Imagine how thrilled I

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Speaker 2: was to have my aunt regale me a murderino with

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Speaker 2: this thriller. So if you want to go listen to

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Speaker 2: our Dorothia Pointe episode, which of course I covered because

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Speaker 2: we lived too down from her when I lived in

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Speaker 2: Sacramento in the very late eighties early nineties.

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Speaker 1: What episode numbers that was so long?

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Speaker 2: That was episode thirty seven that was entitled liminal Space.

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Speaker 1: Okay, look for the rewind of that, guys. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: So it goes back into this email saying after a

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Speaker 2: frequent and when I say it, I mean myself, after

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Speaker 2: frequent appointments, they became friendly. My aunt is a lovely,

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Speaker 2: warm lady who can shat it up with anyone. She

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Speaker 2: even attended a dinner party at Dorothea's house. Yep, that house.

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Speaker 2: She said Dorothea was an excellent cook. The dinner table

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Speaker 2: was set in Dorothea's renters were all there except for one.

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Speaker 2: My aunt mentioned the empty plate, and she said Dorothea

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Speaker 2: My aunt said his head was hanging off the bed,

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Speaker 2: but she assumed he passed out because she knew Dorothea's

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Speaker 2: renters were men often struggling with alcohol. Addiction is like

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Speaker 2: the ultimate manipulation totally. You have people who it's indefensible

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Speaker 2: because the worst is always assumed right and the best

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Speaker 1: They're the best victims because nobody takes them seriously.

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Speaker 2: Right then it says, was he just passed out? Aunt

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Speaker 2: eighty eight, Dorothea had an appointment and noticed my aunt

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Speaker 2: wasn't her normal cheerful self. My aunt, my dad, and

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Speaker 2: the rest of their seven siblings had just returned from

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Speaker 2: burying their father in Oklahoma, and she was still grieving.

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Speaker 2: When she explained this, she said, Dorothea grabbed her forearm

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Speaker 2: said everyone has to die sometime.

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Speaker 1: Chill, so chill. He says, holy shit, right right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean also, it's the grabbing. That's the one two

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Speaker 2: punch intense. Once the truth of Dorothea's deeds were revealed

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Speaker 1: Details like gossiping on the stand. You're not going to

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Speaker 2: She's like, I was there, I was part of this

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Speaker 1: Heidi. You know it's so weird to me is that

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Speaker 1: you can be a straight up serial killer and still

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Speaker 1: be up to date on your dental cleanings. Like what

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Speaker 1: it happens in your mind that you're like, oh, gotta

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Speaker 2: Because they're going to take care of themselves, their teach,

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Speaker 1: It's just so weird to me that, like, you can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like I struggle going to the dentist when

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean cold case solved after twenty plus years,

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Speaker 1: Dear Georgia and Karen all caps, my time has come finally.

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Speaker 1: You guys are rock stars, and thank you for everything

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Speaker 1: you've done for me over the years. I started listening

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, and I can't begin to tell you

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Speaker 1: how excited I am to finally have a solid story

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Speaker 1: to share with you. Okay, so here it goes. In

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, four teenagers in Medina, Ohio, about forty

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Speaker 1: I seventy seven inside where human remains that had been dismembered.

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Speaker 1: The victim's hands, feet, and head were missing, which made

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Speaker 1: identification impossible at the time. Remember, I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: now we'll never know who it is. Back then, the

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Speaker 1: case went cold for over two decades your favorite. Fast

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Speaker 1: forward to twenty twenty three. With new DNA technology, the

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Speaker 1: victim was finally identified as Laurence a drotlift. After that identification,

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Speaker 1: investigators uncovered something even more disturbing. His son, Larry Drow

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Speaker 1: eighty one, had been fraudulently collecting his father's Social Security

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Speaker 1: Do you know this one, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it sounds familiar, but it sounds like the beginning,

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Speaker 2: kids finding like severed human remains in suitcases. There's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Eventually Larry confessed that he came home from work

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Speaker 1: He then dismembered the body and disposed of it along

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the vibe, but this is your to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just stop on the way. It's like.

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Speaker 2: The idea that it's like you're trying to explain this

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Speaker 2: to any authorities going And then I dismembered my father.

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Speaker 1: He was already dead, so I thought no, there's nothing

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Speaker 2: Oh, that only sounds normal to a complete psychopath.

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets absolutely insane. My stepdad told me

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Speaker 1: He's not usually in a true crime, but was interested

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Speaker 1: in the story in the close location. My stepdad is

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Speaker 1: also in recovery whoo, and he said a few years

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Speaker 1: giving him rides. He would pick him up from his

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Speaker 1: our home. Fast forward this week, a mutual acquaintance sent

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Speaker 1: none other than Larry Drotliff. My stepdad said he always

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Speaker 1: had a weird feeling about him, but couldn't explain why.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have that about everybody, but.

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Speaker 2: That is that thing where it's like when they say

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just kidding. I don't feel that about anyone.

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Speaker 1: I'm friendly to everyone for some fucking reason. Anyways, Stay

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Speaker 2: Sylvia Sylvia great name, by the way, such a good name.

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Speaker 2: Also just like to have interacted in a very mundane way,

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Speaker 1: A meaningful way, because when you're in in recovery with

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Speaker 2: Now, I want to know what the true details of

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Speaker 2: the beginning of that story are.

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Speaker 1: Four teenagers in nineteen ninety eight finding a suitcase with

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Speaker 1: that's some fucking horror movie on the highway and there's

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Speaker 1: something so I don't know why it's like so much.

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Speaker 1: This is why I like books placed in the nineties

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Speaker 1: or before so much better. They didn't have cell phones,

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Speaker 1: a fucking suitcase. Yes, and that's where my book.

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Speaker 2: Gets and that's where your film kicks off. Well solved,

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Speaker 2: cold case. You love it, We love those.

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Speaker 1: I checked one off the list of nine billion, and

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Speaker 1: we're getting close.

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Speaker 2: Let's change the tone with the trash dog and trash

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Speaker 2: dad story. Okay, it says high MFM crew and fellow

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Speaker 2: mardarinas you recently asked for garbage dad or garbage dog stories,

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Speaker 2: and I have a story with both. A couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago, my husband and I decided to take our

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Speaker 2: two young boys to Dallas to visit the Great Wolf Lodge.

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Speaker 2: We were going for almost a week and needed someone

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Speaker 2: to watch our two year old eighty pound Golden Retriever Nelly.

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Speaker 2: My parents were between homes at the time, living in

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Speaker 1: It says a too bol rv.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's fine, We're fine, And it says after moving

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Speaker 2: out of a four thousand square foot home, and I thought,

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Speaker 2: maybe they'd really like to stay in our house to

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Speaker 2: enjoy more room ac a washer and dryer, etc. The

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Speaker 2: and boarding fees, or so we thought. Oh Jesus, yes,

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Speaker 2: we love an or so we thought.

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Speaker 2: The day we left, my sweet mom decided to take

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Speaker 2: the dog for a walk. I had instructed her to

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Speaker 2: only use a leash if they went walking around the neighborhood,

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Speaker 2: and not on the dirt paths across the street, as

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Speaker 2: our dog was used to running free on those paths. However,

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Speaker 2: my nervous mom didn't want Nellie to get lost, so

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Speaker 2: she put the leash on her and proceeded to walk

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Speaker 1: She did the responsible thing. I do the same thing

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Speaker 1: if it was someone else's dog, right, you know, sure, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Just as they were finishing, Nellie spotted wildlife and took

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Speaker 2: off after it, without regard to the lady holding the leash.

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Speaker 2: My mom was yanked hard and fell to the ground.

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Speaker 2: When she tried to get up, she found she couldn't

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Speaker 2: As she fell behind a patch of safe.

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Speaker 1: Like nineteen ninety eight all over again.

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Speaker 1: He actually had attended this high school fifteen years earlier

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Speaker 1: it's almost impressive, like those cheerleaders who were robbing a bank. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I always felt like I had low like iron, poor blood,

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Speaker 1: Jobbing a planning and robbing a buck bank.

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Speaker 2: I can't finish like a book for a book report.

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Speaker 1: I can't take change out of my mom's purse without

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Speaker 2: I can't sneak in or out of my house successfully. Ever,

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Speaker 2: How do I rob this bank? And they're just killing

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's so many things we could have done when

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Speaker 1: Tom managed to escape to Mexico side as a teenager. Wait,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these aren't These aren't my Remember the two guys

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Speaker 1: I think that this is your guy. This is this

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Speaker 2: Remember the story of the two people in high school

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Speaker 1: What episode is this small? It's so fascinating. This was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in Portland's amazing. Yes, all right, I kept talking

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, no, now I remember.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but only only us in the Portland Murderino's note,

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Speaker 1: Sarah clearly wasn't there. Yes, when he was finally caught accomplice.

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Speaker 1: Side note, my boyfriend's sister tells me this arrest actually

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Speaker 1: Tom successfully head out in Mexico for months, even going

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Speaker 1: none of them tipped off the police man, there's no

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Speaker 1: I remember this one. You have photos of them.

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Speaker 2: All right, pieces like so many of these stories are

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Speaker 1: I'll just always remember the time that you were halfway

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Speaker 2: Right goodness, because you were on drunk History. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: Anyways, none of them took off the police. Tom did

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Speaker 1: America's Most Wanted. I remember this. It still baffles me

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Speaker 1: him even more than I already did. I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: it's the only reason we're now engaged, but it definitely

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Speaker 1: Something in the water there getting away with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, someone opened a portal to hell down in like

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Speaker 1: Eugene, It's just going crazy, Gene, Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Well amazing and look forward to that episode in the future.

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Speaker 1: We can like future market that one.

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Speaker 2: This is a follow up to minnesod for eighty two.

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Speaker 2: My Mom's legendary radio contest win in honor of our

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Speaker 2: of MFM. I'm writing in as a direct follow up

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Speaker 2: do you remember that? Kind of It reminded me that

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Speaker 2: the early two thousands were truly the wild West of

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Speaker 2: local radio contest Very true, So of course I need

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Speaker 1: Don is everyone's mom's name, Don's.

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Speaker 2: She had a long in the summer of two thousand,

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Speaker 2: our local radio station announced at Britney Spears listening contest

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Speaker 2: the oops, I did it again, tour Take me there.

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Speaker 2: My sister and I were fully possessed by the spirit

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Speaker 2: of Brittany. My dad, Dan, who had a heart of

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Speaker 2: gold but is also a lifelong prankster, entered the contest

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Speaker 2: every single day to get us a shot at winning tickets.

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Speaker 1: Aw the catch. He entered using my mom's name.

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Speaker 2: When the radio station called her to say that she

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Speaker 2: had been chosen to compete. She was horrified. No, to

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Speaker 2: make matters worse. My dad then told us kids, all

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Speaker 1: In pure pressure my mom to do it. It's so sweet.

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Speaker 1: I can see why you married him. But no, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to do karaoke in the mall, in public public.

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Speaker 2: This is a prank to a level that is dastardly

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Speaker 2: and insane and hilarious. But also just think of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I'm gonna put my name in one time when

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Speaker 2: we were.

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Speaker 1: At Magic Mike.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh my god. No, I was gonna do

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Speaker 2: of a sudden they're like, Karen, get up here, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I got so mad and I just

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Speaker 2: walked out where I'm just like, don't shame me in

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Speaker 1: It's diabolical. Okay. So so also, you're a great singer.

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Speaker 1: If I were you, I would have gone the fuck

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Speaker 1: up there and say.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, thank you. It's it's all Annie, It's

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Speaker 2: straight out my nose. Annie, and those people are like

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Speaker 2: opera stars and we just don't want That's not how

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Speaker 2: we have fun, got it?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So my mom has massive social anxiety.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, I don't know about this, Dad, this

448
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Speaker 1: is town. He did. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Dan knew, right, Dan and Dawn Dan and Don Dan

450
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Speaker 2: knew that Don had social anxiety. But my dad knew

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Speaker 2: she would be weak to seeing our tiny, hopeful faces.

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Speaker 2: She decided to say fuck it to the anxiety and

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Speaker 2: yes to trying to make her kids'.

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Speaker 1: Dreams come true. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: She thrifted an aggressively hot glued a music video accurate

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Speaker 2: school girl outfit. She recorded episodes of TRL on a

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Speaker 2: VHS tape and watched the Baby One More Time video

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Speaker 2: on a loop, breaking down the choreography like she was

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Speaker 2: preparing for the Olympics. She committed to the bit. The

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Speaker 2: day of the contest arrives at our classic sprawling nineties mall.

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Speaker 2: This stage was, I kid you not built directly on

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Speaker 2: top of the mall fountain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The competition was stiff. There were dozens of contestants, including

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Speaker 2: several drag queens. Oh so genius as a sheltered kid.

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Speaker 2: I mean those drag queens were like, we're going to

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Speaker 2: win this hands down. This is what we do as

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Speaker 2: a sheltered kid. I remember whispering, look at all those

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Speaker 2: other dads competing for their daughters.

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Speaker 1: Ah so sweet.

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Speaker 2: When it was Don's turn, she stepped onto that fountain

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Speaker 2: stage and a pleated skirt and pigtails.

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Speaker 1: She said she.

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Speaker 2: Blacked out from nerves, but I remember the audience losing

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Speaker 2: their minds. She nailed every hair flip and snap and

476
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Speaker 2: was crowned winner of the Britney Spears lip sync.

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Speaker 1: Battle on wind On for the win.

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Speaker 2: A month later, we sat in the literal front row

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Speaker 2: watching Brittany, My badass mom, who had just conquered her

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Speaker 2: greatest fear atop of Mall Fountain, danced the entire night

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Speaker 2: with us. Shout out to all the moms who will

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Speaker 2: embarrass the shut out of themselves to make their kids

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Speaker 2: dreams come true. And a special shout out to my

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Speaker 2: og Murderino mom who used to tell me terrifying true

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Speaker 2: stories about her childhood growing up on eight Mile in

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Speaker 2: Detroit just to make sure I'd lock the doors and

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Speaker 2: fuck politeness. Yeah, stay sexy and lip sync for your

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Speaker 2: life Katie.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a great story.

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Speaker 2: Don On.

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Speaker 1: This one's for you, your number one. Did we tell

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Speaker 1: people to send us when they won contests because I

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Speaker 1: think they should.

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Speaker 2: Yes, especially if your contest got If the the battle

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Speaker 2: took place at the mall, yeah, you wanted it or

496
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 2: or you lost lost it. For sure, you shamed yourself

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Speaker 2: and your family deeply, right in front of missus Field's cookies.

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Speaker 1: I want a modeling contest at them all once, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: I know, I don't want to talk about it. You're

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Speaker 1: ten revealed.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about you. Can you just

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Speaker 2: say those words again and look me in the fay? No,

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Speaker 2: Georgia one, I won, she won the modeling contest.

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Speaker 1: I was obsessed with Kate Moss, so I like knew

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Speaker 1: the walk and I had gotten a barber'son where trained

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Speaker 1: to be a model and looked like one or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Thank god you didn't get trafficked.

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Speaker 1: Jesus you should have. There was like a guy with

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Speaker 1: a fucking hook waiting to pull me out. Would you

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Speaker 1: get for winning? I got? I went to this like

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Speaker 1: scout camp thing and I don't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: That's yes, you do, and we're gonna do a whole

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Speaker 2: special episode in the fan colts.

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Speaker 1: Everybody sign up. There's a reason it's been ten years

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Speaker 1: and I haven't told you that this is a photo incredible,

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Speaker 1: We better get the pictures. In ten years, you can

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Speaker 1: get the photo. Okay, like a Ponzi scheme. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: one's serious. It's the beginning of Pride months. So let's

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Speaker 1: pay tribute to the amazing life of Kay Lahoson, America's

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Speaker 1: first lesbian photojournalist. Nice Hi MFM gang. Back in nursing school,

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Speaker 1: I had my first clinical experience at an assisted living

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Speaker 1: home in Pennsylvania. During my clinical I met a resident

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Speaker 1: named Kay Lahoson, who described herself as a gay lady

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Speaker 1: who takes pictures. This is one of the old ladies

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Speaker 1: at the home. As a newly out twenty year old,

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Speaker 1: I was intrigued. I imagine the people you meet there

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Speaker 1: are just like ready to tell you their story.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, how rare that would be, at least

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Speaker 2: for thinking that generationally. It's a very new thing for

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00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: I think a personally be like, hey, totally yeah.

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Speaker 1: I learned via Google as she was incredibly humble that

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Speaker 1: Kay was the first openly lesbian American photojournalist. While living

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Speaker 1: in Boston in the early sixties, she met Barbara Gettings

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Speaker 1: and they soon fell in love. During this time, they

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Speaker 1: both worked for a lesbian magazine called The Latter Ledder.

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Speaker 1: Barbara served as the editor and Kay was the art director.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty three, the art on the cover of

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Speaker 1: the magazine was, as Kay described it, quote pretty bland,

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00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: little cats, insipid human figures and quote little cat, little cats.

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Speaker 2: For a lesbian magazine, and then of course ladders implied lesbianism.

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Speaker 1: Kay, a lifelong photographer, wanted to show actual people lesbians

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Speaker 1: on the cover instead. The first photo was of two

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Speaker 1: women taken from the back. Kay then fought to show

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Speaker 1: actual faces on the cover. She stated, quote if you

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Speaker 1: go around as if you don't dare show your face,

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Speaker 1: it sends forth a terrible message. From the mid sixties

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Speaker 1: on k photographed all sorts of women for the cover

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Speaker 1: of the magazine. She went onto photograph Barber, Gettings and

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Speaker 1: others picketing at Independence Hall until the late sixties. In

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, she was part of the founding of the

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Speaker 1: Gay Activists Alliance. In nineteen seventy two, she worked closely

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Speaker 1: with the GAA to push for removal of homosexuality from

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Speaker 1: the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual Mental Disorders. We

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Speaker 1: all know they have a chapter about us in. Kay

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00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: and Barbara worked together for forty six years before Barbara

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Speaker 1: passed in two thousand and seven, Kay living until twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. Up until her death, she worked as an activist,

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Speaker 1: publishing multiple books on her photographs and fighting for the

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Speaker 1: rights of LGBTQ plus people. Ky and Barbara's ashes are

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00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: interned inside a stone bench in the Congressional Cemetery. The

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00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: bench is in grave with the phrase gay is Good

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Speaker 1: and there's a photo if you want to see it.

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00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: Sweet little that's beautiful with all the bride flags. I

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00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: knew Kay for a very short amount of time, but

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Speaker 1: the work that she did for my community is nothing

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Speaker 1: short of spectacular. I remember that her room at the

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Speaker 1: assisted living facility was full of photographs. I hope she

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Speaker 1: knew just how much she had done for so many

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Speaker 1: I know that this is not the typical topic that

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Speaker 1: you cover, but I wanted to share a little about

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Speaker 1: this woman who had a profound impact on me. She was,

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Speaker 1: at the time the only older adult queer person. I

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00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: had ever met ChEls. Up until then, I hadn't been

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Speaker 1: able to picture growing old with a woman that I loved.

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Speaker 1: It makes my heart so happy to know that she

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Speaker 1: got her love story, just like we all deserve. Stay

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Speaker 1: saxy and remember that gay is good. Okay they then, yes,

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00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: we have the same name. Yes, I think it's rad.

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00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: I mean that it's like a movie.

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Speaker 2: I know where it's like, Oh, you just work at

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00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: an old folks home and then there's one lady that

582
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: you hit it off with and is so interestedary and

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Speaker 2: she's a legend.

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Speaker 1: Here's a photo of her, that's all. Oh, look at her.

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Speaker 1: Oh and those are her photographs. Look at the latter.

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Speaker 2: In a lesbian review, it says, yes, and sorry, the

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Speaker 2: latter started like in the fifties. Is that what you

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Speaker 2: were saying.

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Speaker 1: It was around? It seems like it says that the

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Speaker 1: magazine started in nineteen fifty six, fifty six. I want

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Speaker 1: to find those are in a state sale.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, right, it's so good, so good. Well,

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00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: that's a really nice email to end for Pride Month.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, Send us your stories whatever they may be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who have you discovered in your that surprised you. Yeah,

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00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: that was actually turned out to be a legend totally. Uh. Well, everybody,

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00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: stay sexy and don't get murdered.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye, Elvis, Do you want to Cookie?

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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Speaker 1: is Tessa Hughes.

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Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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