WEBVTT - The Future of Artificial Light

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking. Hey there, and welcome to Forward Thinking, the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that looks at the future and says, I get

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<v Speaker 1>shattered like a lightbulb in an October moon. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland and I'm Joe McCormick. So today we decided

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<v Speaker 1>we would talk about something that's very important to us

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<v Speaker 1>and really to most people on Earth. Yeah, and that's light. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we actually had a brilliant idea. Oh, light bulb went

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<v Speaker 1>off overhead, and we decided, let's talk about the future

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<v Speaker 1>of light and light bulbs. Kind of a focus on

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<v Speaker 1>light bulbs, but well, we have to get to light bulbs.

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<v Speaker 1>But well we can talk about the future. Really, what

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<v Speaker 1>we mean is focusing on artificial light. Yeah, not just

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<v Speaker 1>light that we can get by waiting around till the

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<v Speaker 1>sun comes up, right, because artificial light is far more

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<v Speaker 1>important and revolutionary to our lives then we often give

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<v Speaker 1>it credit for. I mean, think about all of the

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<v Speaker 1>ways your life would be different if we didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>artificial light. You could only see what was going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the daytime. I would have to make wake up

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<v Speaker 1>much earlier in the morning. Yeah, I would. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have stubbed all of my toes off by now, as

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<v Speaker 1>I just wandered blindly through my house. Yeah, I do

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<v Speaker 1>that with lights, so I just wouldn't have toes anymore. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm of the opinion that the story of artificial light

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<v Speaker 1>is actually one of the most interesting questions we have

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<v Speaker 1>in how humans have co evolved with our technology. Just

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<v Speaker 1>think about the way artificial lighting has changed the way

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<v Speaker 1>humans live and sleep. I mean, number one, it allows

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<v Speaker 1>us to live in places that don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of natural lights, so we can adapt to a much

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<v Speaker 1>more indoor lifestyle. Another thing is that, I know some

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<v Speaker 1>scientists think that humans used to have different sleep patterns

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<v Speaker 1>and we largely have now that back back in the

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<v Speaker 1>days before artificial lighting, bi phasic sleep was very common,

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<v Speaker 1>where you would sleep twice a day in shorter little

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<v Speaker 1>blocks instead of one long sleep at night. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you would actually spend that time between the sleeps doing

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<v Speaker 1>you know, various things you might be doing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>actual social visits for example. Right. But as artificial lighting

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<v Speaker 1>indoor lighting became much more common and cheaper and more widespread,

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<v Speaker 1>that just kind of faded away, and now in most

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<v Speaker 1>of the world, it's very common to sleep in just

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<v Speaker 1>one big chunk. Or think about all the ways that

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<v Speaker 1>artificial lighting has made learning easier. Imagine if you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>able to read except like outside in the daytime. Or

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<v Speaker 1>think about all of the other human inventions that would

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<v Speaker 1>be absolutely useless without artificial light. I mean not not

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<v Speaker 1>even including all the ones that use light obviously, like

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<v Speaker 1>we couldn't have our computer screen things like that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if they didn't emit light for us to see. But

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<v Speaker 1>we couldn't have a submarine without artificial light. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely fundamental, it's crucial, it's a it's a bedrock of

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<v Speaker 1>all the other technology that we use in our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not be excited about driving a car past dusk, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh exactly, Yeah, he didn't have headlights. Yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost ridiculous to try to imagine the world we live

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<v Speaker 1>in without it, and yet it gets no credit. We

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really think to be thankful for artificial light

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<v Speaker 1>very often. It was a big climb to get to

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<v Speaker 1>having artificial light that's as good and as cheap and

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<v Speaker 1>as plentiful as it is today. And it makes me

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<v Speaker 1>wonder what the future is for being able to see

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<v Speaker 1>things artificial light. Yeah, so today we wanted to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dive into the history of how people have create

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<v Speaker 1>at light and then talk about some of the ways

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<v Speaker 1>that it's that it is going in the future and

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<v Speaker 1>technologies that are up and coming that we're excited about. Yea. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So we obviously had some source of artificial light, even

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<v Speaker 1>if it was pretty crude and not awesome, but we

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<v Speaker 1>had some source as soon as we had fire, Bernie,

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<v Speaker 1>as you may you may refer to. So, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>probably wasn't that long after humans discovered fire that they

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<v Speaker 1>started to figure out ways of transporting that fire and

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<v Speaker 1>keeping that fire burning so that they could use as

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<v Speaker 1>a light source. Um. And thus we get to one

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<v Speaker 1>of the earliest forms, the oil lamp. So tell me

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<v Speaker 1>about oil lamps, Jonathan. All Right, So let's say that

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<v Speaker 1>you first you gotta find some form of vessel doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be artificial. You could actually find like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a shell or a rock that has a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a hollow a concave area in it, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>put some form of flammable material, let's say moss in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you then you soak that moss actually in animal fat,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be the oil in this case, and you

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<v Speaker 1>light the fire. The oil and moss together work is

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<v Speaker 1>fuel so that the fire remains lit. You can actually

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<v Speaker 1>move the rock around so that you can carry the

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<v Speaker 1>fire with you. And this is the example of an

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<v Speaker 1>oil lamp. Uh. These date back thousands of years before

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<v Speaker 1>written history. We have found examples of oil lamps. So

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<v Speaker 1>so to like, if you're just not done with your

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<v Speaker 1>cave painting and you really want to get it done tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>you can. Or or if you've gone on one of

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<v Speaker 1>those amazing cave painting wine tours with your fellow cave

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<v Speaker 1>painters and you're going cave to cave and it's getting laid,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you've got to still be able to see

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<v Speaker 1>before you. You know, you don't want to skip the

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<v Speaker 1>last cave that was the best one. I think, to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair, wine was a little bit after these oil lams.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm w h any The pains were notorious complainers. Another

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<v Speaker 1>thing I'm not so sure about that. We could look

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<v Speaker 1>it up, but I think humans have had alcohol for

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<v Speaker 1>a long long time. But you know, you bring up

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<v Speaker 1>cave paintings, that's another thing. You know, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have some source of light that you can carry around

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<v Speaker 1>with you. How do you think these deep internal cave

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<v Speaker 1>paintings were done when people have to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>see their work. Yeah, exactly. So you know what's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to me is that the oil lamp stuck around from

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<v Speaker 1>prehistory for a really long time. We're talking about seeing

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<v Speaker 1>improvements to the oil lamp made in the eighteen century,

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<v Speaker 1>so so thousands of years here, and that's when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the are Gone invented a lamp that was more efficient

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<v Speaker 1>and then it consume more of the wick and the oil,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant that you didn't have to trim the wick

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<v Speaker 1>away like the burning wick. Once it was essentially turned

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<v Speaker 1>into carbon, you need to remove it. Um So this

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<v Speaker 1>would be the way of where it was more of

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<v Speaker 1>it was being consumed, so you wouldn't have to trim

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<v Speaker 1>as frequently. Uh So that was a big improvement. But

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<v Speaker 1>oil lamps were eventually replaced it by kerosene lamps in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen fifties. Uh nine thousand years ago is when

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<v Speaker 1>we started having wine maybe right, Okay, I was about

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<v Speaker 1>to say, like, when did we start having wine in

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<v Speaker 1>the office. It's kind of awesome. Uh So, but we

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<v Speaker 1>as humans, I got it. But oil lamps were replaced

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<v Speaker 1>by kerosene lamps eighteen fifties, which uses obviously kerosene as

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<v Speaker 1>a fuel and a wick or mantle as the means

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<v Speaker 1>of having the flame. Uh, then we also have gas lamps.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is kind of interesting. So oil lamps and

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<v Speaker 1>kerosene lamps neither of those were necessarily good for lighting

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<v Speaker 1>something like a street. These were usually small lamps that

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<v Speaker 1>were good to carry around. Like if you ever see

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<v Speaker 1>depictions of a character carrying a small flame lantern around,

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably either an oil lamp or a kerosene lamp.

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<v Speaker 1>But gas lamps used coal gas as fuel, and the

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<v Speaker 1>earliest example I could find dates from sevent two, so

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<v Speaker 1>actually pre dates kerosene lamps. That was when William Murdoch

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<v Speaker 1>used coal gas to light his home as an experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess if you are convinced that your idea is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna work, outfitting your own home with something that could

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<v Speaker 1>potentially kill you is the way to go. So did

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<v Speaker 1>William Murdoch live long enough to be recognized for his achievement?

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<v Speaker 1>He did. He actually eventually outfitted his workplace, which was

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<v Speaker 1>the Soho Foundry, with gas lamps and by the early

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds, gas lamps would start to become installed in

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<v Speaker 1>several cities in Europe. Baltimore became the first city in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States to have gas lamps, and there are

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<v Speaker 1>other areas other cities in the US that still have

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<v Speaker 1>some gas lamp districts where either the gas lamps were

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<v Speaker 1>rebuilt or preserved um like San Diego as an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>gas lamp district. Uh and gas lamps remained the main

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<v Speaker 1>method of lighting streets and homes until the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 1>so it stuck around for a good while. But somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the meanwhile, all this time, we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 1>burning stuff to create light. What what about this new

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<v Speaker 1>fangled electricity idea that was starting to hit the scene. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of people experimenting with it as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as you got volta with a voltaic pile. Once.

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<v Speaker 1>Once that discovery was made, everyone was wondering if there

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<v Speaker 1>could be really cool uses for this discovery. One of

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<v Speaker 1>those people was a British inventor, Humphrey Davy, who in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen o two connected pair of voltaic piles to pair

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<v Speaker 1>of the charcoal electrodes and an arc of light emitted

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<v Speaker 1>between the two carbon rods. Now, it was not a

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<v Speaker 1>practical source of artificial light because one, it was way

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<v Speaker 1>too bright. You could not use it to light a home.

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<v Speaker 1>It would just be too uncomfortable. The light would be

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<v Speaker 1>too intense. The second problem was it consumed those carbon

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<v Speaker 1>rods very quickly, so before long you would not be

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<v Speaker 1>able to generate light at all. So first it would

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<v Speaker 1>be too much light, and then it'll be no light.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of like trying to light your home

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<v Speaker 1>with a sparkler. Yeah, not not a great not a

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<v Speaker 1>great experience at least not if you're over the age

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<v Speaker 1>of like ten. So uh. Eventually, Williams State would make

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<v Speaker 1>improvements to arc lamps in eighty eight, creating a clockwork

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism that governed the movement of those carbon rods to

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<v Speaker 1>maximize that fuel to consume as much of them as

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<v Speaker 1>possible before the connection was lost. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>it would move the rods in relation to one another

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<v Speaker 1>to try and keep the art going as long as

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<v Speaker 1>it possibly could, and picturing something like a like a

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<v Speaker 1>clockwork spit roast. For I'm not sure if that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like. I have not seen a picture, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say you were accurate, and I could

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<v Speaker 1>be uncertain of that. Uh So the problem was that

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<v Speaker 1>State's invention was costly, so it didn't really take off either.

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<v Speaker 1>But the the promise of using electricity as a source

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<v Speaker 1>of light in some way remained. Well, when did we

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<v Speaker 1>get the incandescent bulbs that we're also familiar with? That's

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<v Speaker 1>a why did you ask me that question? That's a

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<v Speaker 1>full episode right there, Joe. So incandescent bulbs. The the

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<v Speaker 1>journey to the incandescent bulb was a very long one,

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<v Speaker 1>starting all the way back with Humphrey Davy. But you

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<v Speaker 1>have this progression of various inventors who all worked with

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<v Speaker 1>electricity to try and figure out how to make something incandesce,

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<v Speaker 1>which is all about heat. You heat up a material

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<v Speaker 1>to a temperature high enough to make it glow. That

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<v Speaker 1>is incandescence. That's what we mean when we say an

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<v Speaker 1>incandescent bulb. We're talking about heating up a filament, some

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<v Speaker 1>form of material to a temperature high enough where it

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<v Speaker 1>will glow. It will get hot enough to glow at

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<v Speaker 1>a incredible luminescence so that you can actually see by it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking super hot here, warm Yeah, if you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever touched a light bulb after it had just been

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<v Speaker 1>turned off, you know what I'm talking about. They can

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<v Speaker 1>get super hot, um, and we're the ones we're using

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<v Speaker 1>today are not as hot as some of the earlier

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<v Speaker 1>ones any rate. Uh. The filament is consumed in this process.

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<v Speaker 1>Right as you heat it up, it actually begins to

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<v Speaker 1>essentially burn away. So that means eventually you get to

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<v Speaker 1>a point where the filament is going to break somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>along this connection because it's disintegrated enough. Yeah. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>essentially there's they're little breaks that that open up until

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<v Speaker 1>there's no longer a connection, Like it just breaks in half,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe not in half, but somewhere along its length,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have electrodes on either side. Well, now you

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<v Speaker 1>no longer have a pathway for electricity to flow through.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's when the light burns out. That's when you

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<v Speaker 1>get the the dead bulb. If you ever have picked

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<v Speaker 1>up an incandescent ballb after it's burned out and give

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<v Speaker 1>it a little shake and you hear that little tingle tinging,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the that's the broken filament inside just dancing around

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not connected to anything anymore. Uh, so early

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<v Speaker 1>incandescent bulbs were problematic because the filaments burned out at

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<v Speaker 1>a very short time, and it took some time for

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<v Speaker 1>people to figure out how to fix this. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the big developments was, hey, we need to remove the

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<v Speaker 1>filament from oxygen so that it doesn't burn. So that

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<v Speaker 1>means we have to put it in some form of

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<v Speaker 1>container and create a vacuum. So early lightbulbs were put

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<v Speaker 1>in vacuum tubes, but vacuum tube technology was not very

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<v Speaker 1>good in the early nineteenth century. It would not be

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<v Speaker 1>until Thomas Edison came around. Thomas Haysen did not invent

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<v Speaker 1>the lightbulb. No, he is often credited as the inventor

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<v Speaker 1>of the light bulb. He did not. He invented essentially

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<v Speaker 1>the first commercially viable lightbulb, the first one to remain

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<v Speaker 1>working long enough for it to be an actual, you

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<v Speaker 1>useful thing, right. Um So, he started experimenting with a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of different types of filaments and eventually discovered that

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<v Speaker 1>a carbon coated filament and an oxygen free glass bulb

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<v Speaker 1>could last several hours like forty forty hours of light

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<v Speaker 1>before burning out. Uh So, Edison was not the first

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<v Speaker 1>one to make the use of the container free of oxygen.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, the other people had other people had

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<v Speaker 1>tried to make vacuum tubes, but Edison's approach was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the perfection of that art. Uh. The application of

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<v Speaker 1>tungsten um was another big development in this light bulb process,

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<v Speaker 1>tungsten being a metal that has a melting point of

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<v Speaker 1>up to above six thousand degrees fahrenheit, which is something

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<v Speaker 1>around a thirty degrees celsius. And that's high. That's high,

0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.480
<v Speaker 1>y'all um. Lots of metals give off mostly heat a

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<v Speaker 1>k A. Infrared photons um when they're electrified, but infrared

0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.280
<v Speaker 1>light is invisible and therefore does not help us for

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<v Speaker 1>light bulb purposes. Also, if you get most metals too hot,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll just melt, which is not useful for light bulbs either.

0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.200
<v Speaker 1>So uh, you can heat tongue though to a comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>like like four thousand degrees fahrenheit or celsius, and it'll

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<v Speaker 1>stay solid and emit lots of visible light. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying these things get hot, I was not

0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.440
<v Speaker 1>kidding quite warm. Yeah, But the thing is that a

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<v Speaker 1>plain old vacuum tube is not the best thing for

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<v Speaker 1>tungsten because when when it heats up like that, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>start shedding atoms that will eventually collect on the inside

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<v Speaker 1>of the bulb, which will darken it over time, which

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<v Speaker 1>again is not conducive to things what you want to

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<v Speaker 1>make light for you. But different gases um in in

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<v Speaker 1>in that vacuum tube, say inert gases, because you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want gasses floating around. And there, yeah, have been different

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<v Speaker 1>gases that are in nert have been experimented with nice

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the things I want to mention also

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<v Speaker 1>were helogen light bulbs. Do you guys have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of experience with halogen light bulbs, so I'm aware of

0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.560
<v Speaker 1>them my house and my house has is crazy. My

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<v Speaker 1>house was made with all these different types of light fixtures,

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<v Speaker 1>no two of which appear to accept the same kind

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<v Speaker 1>of light bulb. So you can imagine how I feel

0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.560
<v Speaker 1>whenever a light bulb burns out, like I have to

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<v Speaker 1>go through the closet of light bulbs to find the

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<v Speaker 1>right one. Some of them are halogen light bulbs, so

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<v Speaker 1>they also work through incandescence. They use a tungsten filament

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<v Speaker 1>like Lauren was mentioning, so similar but inside a quartz envelope.

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<v Speaker 1>That's filled with halogen gas. Now, the halogen gas combines

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<v Speaker 1>with the tungsten vapor that's given off while the tungsten

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<v Speaker 1>is incandessing. So while normally the filament would be kind

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<v Speaker 1>of vaporizing away over time until it breaks and then

0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.160
<v Speaker 1>your light bulb burns out, in a halogen bulb, it

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<v Speaker 1>that that vapor combines with the halogen gas, and the

0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:50.440
<v Speaker 1>halogen gas will redeposit tungsten on the filament, So it

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<v Speaker 1>preserves the life of the filament. It extends it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not extended indefinitely. It will still burn out, but it

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<v Speaker 1>does mean that the hall light bulb will remain viable

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<v Speaker 1>longer because of this redepositing. That's so metal. It is

0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:11.000
<v Speaker 1>so metal, so that those are the incandescent bulbs. Well,

0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.040
<v Speaker 1>incandescent bulbs are a thing of the past, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's that's they're more and more places on Earth

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<v Speaker 1>where you are not even allowed to buy them anymore

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<v Speaker 1>for energy efficiency purposes. That's great, though just esthetically it

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<v Speaker 1>is a little sad. I like the globe and incandescent bulb, Yeah,

0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.399
<v Speaker 1>they are. They do have a very kind of warm

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<v Speaker 1>glow to the understandably exactly so that they don't live

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<v Speaker 1>as long, and they don't they're not great at energy efficiency. Alright, no,

0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.800
<v Speaker 1>they're not more what's better. Well, next, we've got the

0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.159
<v Speaker 1>fluorescent bulbs, which have their own issues, but fluoresce and

0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.760
<v Speaker 1>bulbs work in a different way. So fluoresce and bulb

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<v Speaker 1>contains a pair of electrodes. So that's similar to an

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<v Speaker 1>incandescent bulb, but instead of you don't have a filament

0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.800
<v Speaker 1>in this case, right, you just have you have a

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<v Speaker 1>gas filament. I guess it's not a physical it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like an actual solid filament. I should say is physical?

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<v Speaker 1>Is just gas. So these pair of electrodes. You also

0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:10.040
<v Speaker 1>have some mercury. Uh not freddie mercury, which would be facoless. Yeah,

0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:15.120
<v Speaker 1>don't don't stuff him into vacuum tubes. That's not no, no, uh,

0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.640
<v Speaker 1>he's your best friend. So you've got the bit of mercury.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got an inert gas usually are gone, and a

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<v Speaker 1>phosphor powder coating on the inside of the glass. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you turn on a fluorescent lamp, current flows to

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<v Speaker 1>the electrodes. All right. That creates a difference of voltage

0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:34.600
<v Speaker 1>across the two electrodes, and the electron movement excites the mercury.

0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Some of that mercury changes from liquid, which is what

0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.920
<v Speaker 1>mercury tends to be in room temperature, to a gas.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get collisions between the electrons coming through the

0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.680
<v Speaker 1>electrodes uh and the charged particles with the mercury gas atoms.

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<v Speaker 1>That bumps up the electrons to a higher energy level,

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<v Speaker 1>which is how any kind of photon is created. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's when when an electron returns to its normal energy

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<v Speaker 1>state and being yeah, it has to give off that

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<v Speaker 1>excess energy. Right, So if I if I excite an electron,

0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.800
<v Speaker 1>if I energize an electron, so it bumps up to

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<v Speaker 1>a higher energy level and then I stop, Well, then

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<v Speaker 1>the electron is going to return to its normal state

0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.080
<v Speaker 1>parties over. Yeah, but then it's like, well, I can't

0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.159
<v Speaker 1>carry all this extra energy with me. I gotta get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of it, so it emits it in the form

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<v Speaker 1>of a photon, which is the basic particle of light. However,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, we're talking about photons and the ultra

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<v Speaker 1>violet range, which means that you and I can't see them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is where that phosphor cutting comes in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because in this case, the phosphor coating. What it can

0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.639
<v Speaker 1>do is absorbed that ultra violet radiation. It has the

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<v Speaker 1>same sort of uh process where the electrons in the

0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:50.080
<v Speaker 1>fosphor coading get excited. They're like, oh, ultra violet awesome,

0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.720
<v Speaker 1>they jump up and then return to normal, but they

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<v Speaker 1>emit light within the visible spectrum. So it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like it's like a step by step process of

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get light from the visible light from this

0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.280
<v Speaker 1>from this approach. And that's exactly how these things work.

0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:10.359
<v Speaker 1>So it's pretty cool. Um, literally, much cooler. Yeah, it

0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't involve in condessing. Of course, now we live in

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<v Speaker 1>the age of the L E ED bol yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of a game changer in a way. Yeah, so,

0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean L E d s also still have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of challenges, but I'll cover that in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>Light emitting diodes also, that's what LED stands for, and

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<v Speaker 1>they are taught type of solid state lighting or s

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<v Speaker 1>s L. So solid state sounds pretty cool. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so how does this thing work? Well, we

0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:42.560
<v Speaker 1>have to talk about semi conductors again. I know, I'm sorry. No,

0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.000
<v Speaker 1>we love talking about semi conductors. I love talking about them.

0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I wish I had a truly deep understanding of them.

0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I have a basic level understanding of semi conductor technology,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little beyond basic, But I always every time

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<v Speaker 1>I go into this, I'm always like, am I explaining

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<v Speaker 1>this correctly? So with semiconductors you have You're doing great,

0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:05.600
<v Speaker 1>thank you. You have positively charged sections, negatively charged sections.

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<v Speaker 1>So the negatively charged area of the semiconductor has an

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<v Speaker 1>excess of electrons. That's what creates the negative charge. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>the positively charged section we call uh we say that

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<v Speaker 1>it has holes. In other words, it has the capacity

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<v Speaker 1>to accept electrons. Okay, so it has the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>create a flow from one side to the other. Yeah. You.

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<v Speaker 1>It essentially says, hey, you know, if you got electron

0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:30.280
<v Speaker 1>sent them on over because I got some space, dude,

0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean like we can totally crash over here. I

0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.280
<v Speaker 1>need a roomy rent is high. You know. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like living in San Francisco. So in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>you also have an area in between the two where

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<v Speaker 1>you it's a mixture kind of. You have the holes

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.320
<v Speaker 1>and you have electrons. The electrons fill the first adjacent

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<v Speaker 1>line of holes, and unless you give more energy to

0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the negative side. UH, it reaches a level of equilibrium

0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:59.960
<v Speaker 1>where there's kind of a barrier between the the pete

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<v Speaker 1>hype that's the positive side, and the N type that's

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<v Speaker 1>the negative side UH material in the semiconductor, and that

0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 1>area in between is called the depletion zone, which I

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<v Speaker 1>like to think is where you send Superman villains if

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the negative zone fills up. UM. So when you introduce

0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:22.000
<v Speaker 1>electricity to the semiconductor on the inside of the material,

0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:25.119
<v Speaker 1>the electrons are pushed from the negative side to the

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:29.520
<v Speaker 1>positive side. They can overcome the depletion zone. Now when

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<v Speaker 1>they get to the positive side, they enter the holes.

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<v Speaker 1>The holes are at a lower energy level than the

0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:38.320
<v Speaker 1>electrons the excited electrons are, so the electrons move into

0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the holes, they emit that excess of energy in the

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<v Speaker 1>form of a photon, just as we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>with the fluorescent bulbs, and thus you get light. And

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<v Speaker 1>this flow, by the way, only works in one direction. Diodes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a very important electronic component, and that's the that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the cool things about them. They allow electricity

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<v Speaker 1>to flow in one direction, but not the their way,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has to go from ND type to P

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.200
<v Speaker 1>type because it's you know, you can't you can't make uh,

0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:10.720
<v Speaker 1>negatively charged particles go into a negatively charged area because

0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:14.359
<v Speaker 1>the light charges are going to not not without a

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:18.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of effort. You've gotta push really hard. So, now

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.520
<v Speaker 1>that we've sort of looked at where we've gotten to,

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<v Speaker 1>what we've sort of caught up with what modern technology

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<v Speaker 1>has to offer in lighting, what does the future hold?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, one of the things we can look at

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<v Speaker 1>is just the the efficiency of electrical light bulbs. They've

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<v Speaker 1>come a long way, right sure, Yeah, Like like why

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<v Speaker 1>we're addressing this question at all? You know, like we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of things that work right now, but

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<v Speaker 1>how well do they work? Right? While wiring incandescent bulbs

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<v Speaker 1>considered to be awful, when why are these other ones

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 1>considered to be great. Here's one experiment you can try. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>don't try this because you might burn yourself. Okay, go

0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:59.120
<v Speaker 1>up to an old incandescent bulb while it's on and

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<v Speaker 1>touch it. Don't do this. It can get really telling

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>me to do something and then not to do it. No,

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.159
<v Speaker 1>don't do this because you can burn your hand. It

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 1>can get really hot. What what is heat? Heat is waste?

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:16.159
<v Speaker 1>He does is wasted energy. Right, it means that you

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.160
<v Speaker 1>are you are pouring all this electricity and to generate

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the heat, which in turn generates the light. But that's

0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>that means that if there are alternatives where you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to heat up a material to this incredible temperature

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.000
<v Speaker 1>in order to get the light, then maybe you could

0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:32.119
<v Speaker 1>be more efficient. You're you're you're wasting photons in that

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>infrared zone, which unless you're Georgy LaForge you cannot see. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So ideally what you would want is is some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thank you, thank you, Jonathan, You're welcome. Ideally you'd

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>want a device where all of the energy going into

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<v Speaker 1>it gets converted directly to visible photo. Right, that would

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:51.879
<v Speaker 1>be wonderful. I mean, it's never gonna happen, but it

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 1>would be the goal. Right. But the closer the closer

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.159
<v Speaker 1>you can get to that, the higher the efficiency of

0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>your bul your light producing uh artifacts. So let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>do a quick comparison of the three major types that

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.719
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned, incandescent, fluorescent and L E D s. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so incandescent modern sixty what Incandescent light bulbs have a

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<v Speaker 1>life expectancy of around twelve hundred hours of use so

0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 1>well beyond the forty hours the of Edison's first light

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.479
<v Speaker 1>bulbs us and by the way, managed to get those

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:25.080
<v Speaker 1>light bulbs up to a much higher hours of lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>than forty so they used three thousand kilowatt hours of

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.360
<v Speaker 1>electricity over the span of fifty thousand hours of use.

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Now you might be saying, wait, a sixty one incandescent

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>light bulb has twelve hundred hours of lifetime, how could

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:41.640
<v Speaker 1>you get fifty thous hours of use out of it? Well,

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't get fifty thousand hours of use out of one.

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 1>You would have You would have to have enough of

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>these light bulbs to get the equivalent of fifty thousand

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>hours of use, in this case forty two light bulbs

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>to get fifty thousand hours of use over that fifty

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>thousand hours, you would be using three thousand kilowatt hours

0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>of electricity. All right, so we get that all the way. Also,

0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:04.160
<v Speaker 1>side note, they're pretty easy to manufacture, Yes, yes, which

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.880
<v Speaker 1>is positive for UM. It is important because that factors

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.200
<v Speaker 1>into how expensive they're going to be when you are

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 1>going to buy them. So while they might not be

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:16.920
<v Speaker 1>terribly efficient, they're also not hard to make, so they're

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>not expensive. Then you've got fluorescent bulbs, which last for

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 1>approximately ten thousand hours, so nearly ten times as long

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:30.639
<v Speaker 1>as the incandescent bulbs. They require fourteen watts to reach

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the light equivalent of a sixty watt incandescent bulb, so

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 1>they need less of a wattage to reach that same luminescence.

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:42.960
<v Speaker 1>They use seven kilowatt hours over fifty thousand hours of use,

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:45.160
<v Speaker 1>and you would just need five of them to reach

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>that fifty thousand hours. But they're a little harder to

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.679
<v Speaker 1>make a little bit, and they also contain mercury, so

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>that's another thing that you should remember that if you're

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 1>ever disposing of fluorescent bulbs, you've got to be careful

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>with them because mercury is poisonous. Don't break it up

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:03.399
<v Speaker 1>and lick it. No, well, I don't. I don't know

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>what would possess you to do that, but definitely don't

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>do it. Finally, we've got the LED bulbs. They can

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 1>last fifty hours on a single bulb, so they can

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 1>hit that fifty tho all in just one bulb. Attend

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>what led bulb can give the equivalent light of a

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.680
<v Speaker 1>sixty what incandescent bulb it uses five l what hours

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>of electricity over the course of fifty hours of use.

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing about l e ED bulbs, they're

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 1>pretty much a pain in the butt to manufacture. Yeah, So,

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>if you've ever shopped for light bulbs and you've looked

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>for LED bulbs, thinking I want to be as as

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 1>efficient with my energy use as possible, you're gonna see

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>that the price tag for those LED bulbs is significantly

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>higher than for your alternatives. And if you did the

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>math over the lifetime of the light bulbs and the

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 1>amount of energy you would use, you would probably see

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 1>that the l e ED is going to save you

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the money in the long run, but it has a

0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 1>higher upfront cost. So it all depends on your situation. Right,

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>If you can afford the upfront cost, then it makes

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 1>perfect sense to go and outfit your home with l

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 1>a ED lights. Again, like, my house has got all

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 1>these different weird light fixtures, some of which do not

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 1>have LED alternatives for them. Like, there's not an LED

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>light that's made in that size yet, or at least

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.680
<v Speaker 1>not one that I have been able to find. Uh

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's an exercise and frustration for me. But even

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 1>if they did have all the LED fixtures. I'm not

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>sure that I would be able to do it because

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that would be really expensive to buy lights for every

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>single fixture in my house. Like that's a big upfront cost.

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>It is now again, over the lifetime, i'd be saving money.

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>But if I don't have the cash to pay for

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 1>it up front, that it doesn't help run. You know,

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>one of the areas in which we've talked about using

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>L e d s for future applications is in vertical farming,

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>because you know, one of the problems with vertical farming.

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about vertical farming on the show before. The

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>ideas that you you know, sort of stack up a

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>greenhouse model within your cities, and this solves a lot

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>of problems. The crops are less exposed to the you know,

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the weather, and so they're they're less vulnerable to changes

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>in climate and whether they're also closer to their final destination.

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Because a lot of the food we consume is in cities,

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>but you can't grow it in the cities normally, so

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>it has large transportation costs, their spoilage. Having stuff in

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>cities is good, but at the same time, it's hard

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 1>to get all the light. You need to get even

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>light distribution for your crops when you've got them stacked

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>up in in the skyscraper and everything. Everything on the

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>outside edge is going to have, you know, or at

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>least everything on the eastern and western sides of the

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>outside edge, you're going to have plenty of sun exposure.

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>But some of the other areas, particularly the ones further inside,

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>are not right. So what a lot of people who

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>have researched vertical farming have said is that, well, you're

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>really just going to have to supplement it with artificial lighting. Now,

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you you can use artificial lighting to help plants grow

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>and grow healthy. You can use led bulbs like we've

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 1>been talking about. But part of the problem there is,

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>once you're investing that much money and energy into growing

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>them in the city with all these light bulbs, is

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 1>there really actually an advantage. Yeah, you might be negating

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>that that cost savings and effort savings exactly right. But

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>one of the interesting solutions I've seen to this is

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the idea of using only pink led light. The idea

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 1>behind this is that plants need light to grow and survive. Sure,

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>they size it right, but they might not need the

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 1>entire visible spectrum, so some plants can survive on only

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>some narrower frequency bands of light. And actually, so there

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>are these things called pink pink houses, which are growing

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>facilities that only use certain frequencies of light and use

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>less energy by doing that and not producing white light,

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>which is requires all the frequencies of light. Oh yeah, yeah, no,

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 1>it makes it makes sense when you think about it

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>in terms of color theories. And plants are green, they're

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>they're reflecting a lot of those green spectrum photons and

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>our wavelengths. I'm sorry, well, either way, I'm still likely correct.

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Light behaves is both a wave at a particle, right,

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>so certainly right right, So so yeah, if you just

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>shoot the kind of light that they're going to absorb

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>anyway at them, then you're yeah, anyway, I thought that

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>was interesting, Yeah, very interesting. Another question is simply how

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>efficient can we make our LED lights for these kind

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>of things. LED lights are already very efficient. I mean

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>we've done a really really good job getting them pretty

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 1>during efficient as far as energy consumption goes. Yes, oh

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>sure sure. And it's definitely a possibility that the expensive

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 1>processes and technologies that go into making l ed bulbs

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>will be streamlined in the future. Those kind of technologies

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 1>improve all the time. Oh yeah, that's a good win.

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>So even if the bulbs themselves can't get much more efficient,

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe the process of making them can. Yeah, now, and

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>that's that's definitely something that I think will improve. Um,

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe it will improve gradually over time. It's kind of

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 1>to me it's the same as micro chips. They are

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>one of those one of those things where we do

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>get improvements in the processes, but it tends to be

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.239
<v Speaker 1>this kind of tick talk approach. That's what Intel calls it.

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 1>They'll they'll create the technology to make microprocessors with ever

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>ever smaller transistors or discrete elements on it, and then

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the talk part is where they maximize that technology and

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 1>really are able to take advantage of it to the

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>greatest extent they can before the next tick where they

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.239
<v Speaker 1>make it even smaller. So the talk tends to be

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 1>a little bit uh more cost effective because they've already

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 1>made the investment into increasing the technology so they can

0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>make these uh increasingly small elements on a on a

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>silicon chip. So we might see something like that for

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.719
<v Speaker 1>light emitting diodes, but there are other other alternatives, folks,

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>you mean, apart from L E d s, there are

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 1>tell me about the bulb of the future light which

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 1>might not be bulb shaped. Now it might it actually

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 1>may not even need to have a and may not

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 1>need to be encapsulated in anything. Light emitting electrochemical cells,

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>so that sounds really complicated. They're sometimes called l E

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>c s or sometimes l E e c s because

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>it's light emitting at least. Uh So, well, I guess

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>it all depends on whether you think it's a hard

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>see or self see. So it sounds like it's a mouthful.

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:45.239
<v Speaker 1>But the light emitting electrochemical cells, but first, you know,

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>electrochemical cells are something that we're all familiar with already.

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Batteries are an example of an electrochemical cell. So electrochemical

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>cells are just they they allow either the transmission of

0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>generation of of electricity through some form of chemical reaction. Now,

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>in the case of light emitting electro chemical cells, well

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the whole things in the name, right, it emits light

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>when you have electricity introduced into this, So it's a

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 1>solid state device kind of like LEDs. But let's talk

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>about it in the form of a sandwich, right, it

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>would it would be a polymer sandwich because you talk

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:26.919
<v Speaker 1>about whatever's in the middle is the sandwich part, right

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 1>like you wouldn't you would say, like a you know,

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 1>a roast beef sandwich, lowrist beefs in the middle, it's

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 1>not the bread parts. So in this case, be a

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 1>polymer sandwich. So the middle of the sandwich is the

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 1>light emitting polymer which is filled with mobile ions. Uh.

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>The bottom of the sandwich, the base of the bulb,

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.360
<v Speaker 1>in other words, could be if you wanted it to be.

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:47.879
<v Speaker 1>It could be an opaque electrode wouldn't have to be

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 1>the top layer would have to be transparent in order

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:55.319
<v Speaker 1>to let light pass through. Otherwise you would have these

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>opaque coverings and light would be generated in between them,

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 1>but you wouldn't be able to see it, right, Yeah,

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.040
<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't be useful. It's a light bulb, it would be. Yeah.

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like if you've got a light bulb dipped

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 1>it in paint and then the paint was so thick

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that it would not allow light to pass through, it's

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>not useful. So uh, a lot of them will use uh,

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, various types of very thin, thin layers to

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 1>act as these electrodes that are effectively transparent. Uh So,

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 1>like indium tin oxide was used in a lot of

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the early ones. I'm seeing now that graphing is starting

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 1>to be used in in prototype. Yeah. So graphing, by

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.839
<v Speaker 1>the way, in case you forgot, that's the sheet of

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 1>carbon atoms that's one atom thick. If you were to

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 1>roll graphing into a tube, you would have a carbon nanotube. Um. So,

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>graphing is being used as the electrode of choice by

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different researchers. And one of the biggest

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:51.840
<v Speaker 1>advantages of l c s over l e d s

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 1>is that they are potentially way easier to mass produce.

0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 1>So we had talked about how l e d s

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:03.319
<v Speaker 1>have this product shin challenge that it's it's a very intensive,

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 1>energy inefficient means of making the light bulbs. Light bulbs

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:11.399
<v Speaker 1>themselves are efficient, but the manufacturing process isn't as because

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 1>it's it's complicated. There's a lot of stuff going on.

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>L e c s are potentially way less complicated. You

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 1>could print them because you don't have to worry about

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 1>precision as much. Printing is not a very precise way

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>of going about making something because the layers of think

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>of it as ink can vary greatly across an entire sheet. However,

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 1>with l e c s that thickness is not critical

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>to the operation of the l e C So you

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 1>could do it using this kind of method of production

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and not worry about impacting the effectiveness of the ultimate

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 1>bulb that you create. Yeah, so you can make a

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of it. Potentially, you can make a lot of

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>it much more quickly than you could with L e

0:36:55.800 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>d s, thus bringing the cost way down for the consumer. Uh.

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 1>Now there are some challenges. One of the big ones

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.280
<v Speaker 1>is getting l e c s to have their lifetime

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 1>up to comparable levels with the other technologies. So, according

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>to a report in the journal Chemical Science, researchers at

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 1>the universities of is It boss L, Basil, b A

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>S E L. This is where I have no idea

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 1>and valencia that one I know how to say. Uh,

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 1>they have created l e cs with an effective life

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of So that's better than incandescent bulbs already. It's almost

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 1>more than twice the lifetime of your average incandescent bulb

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:39.360
<v Speaker 1>at sixty watts anyway, but still well below l E

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>d s, which are at fifty hours, So it's not

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:48.399
<v Speaker 1>it's it's promising. It's not uh at the level right

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 1>now where you would necessarily switch from one to the other,

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:55.879
<v Speaker 1>even if it were ready for for the construction, which

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:59.839
<v Speaker 1>isn't necessarily um. Also, they might never be as quick

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>acting as L E D s. One benefit of LEDs

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 1>is that you turn it on, You flip the switch,

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and the bulb turns on pretty much instantaneously, um, which

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 1>is also a good point on incandescent bulbs. But depending

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 1>on what substance um you're using, as in a mirror

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 1>for the L E C, it can take a while

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<v Speaker 1>for for the photons to start photoning right, so kind

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>of like a fluorescent bulb, like an old school fluorescent bulb.

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 1>These days they've got these uh these like proactive switches

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>in them, but carrying a little bit of a charge

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 1>to begin with, so that they can they can have

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 1>like a dim section, a dim session and completely right way. Yeah,

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 1>because I remember those old bulbs where you would turn

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 1>it on and you would get the little flickering ink well,

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>which also can happen as the bulb gets older and

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the electrodes start to have That's also where you used

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<v Speaker 1>to get the annoying, buzzing noise that fluorescent bulbs used

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>to make. You don't get it so much anymore because

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 1>they have these little starters, as Ned Flanders would say,

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 1>they hum like angels. It's odd, though, right, because we

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 1>all still have the association of those things when we

0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 1>think Floresce embulbs. Those are the sort of things we

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 1>think about, or at least those are the sort of

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>things I think about when I think Florence embulbs, even

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>if it may not no longer be true anymore. Sure sure, um,

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>So we might never get an L E C TV

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>is the thing, like, it's probably never going to be

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the best technology for things that need to refresh at

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:26.319
<v Speaker 1>a at a constant rate, like like a high graphic display. Um.

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>But there's some really cool potentials with these things. Um.

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>For for instance, you can create lots of different colors

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>of light depending on what substance you're using as an emitter.

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 1>UM researchers are actually still kind of working on making

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 1>good clean white light from L A C s. It's

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the one of the current challenges and getting the product

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>up to market. If you want a lavender bulbo, they

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 1>got the technology for you. But if you want just

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a regular white bulb. We're still working so you can

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>sell it to music venues before you can sell it

0:39:54.120 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 1>to or or high school students from like three light

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, yes, put a unicorn on that baby. Um. Yeah,

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 1>and and also um, although l e c's have been

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 1>most commonly created on on glass, you can also totally

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:20.399
<v Speaker 1>use a flexible and even stretchable substrates as as your base. Yeah.

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:24.400
<v Speaker 1>This could mean that we have some truly inventive uh

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 1>light sources in our future, like things that you know

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 1>that we don't even associate with a thing that makes

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 1>light now, which is really cool, Like the idea that

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 1>with some creative application of this technology, we could have

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>totally new form factors for light sources, which maybe we'll

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:50.359
<v Speaker 1>end up at tron a boy can dream. So we

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 1>had one last bit and Joe, I think you added

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:55.399
<v Speaker 1>this in our notes. Well, I was just recalling how

0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe the future of light is that we don't need light?

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Know why? Well, I do you remember back when we

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>talked about what humans would look like in the future, like,

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, if humans continue evolving, how will we change?

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 1>And there was this one article in Forbes. I think

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>I recall where there are a couple of people were

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>speculating they were drawing pictures of these humans with huge

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:23.400
<v Speaker 1>eyes and stuff, and they're like, this is what humans

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 1>will look like in the future, or at least that's

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>how it was interpreted. I think they defended themselves by

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 1>saying like, no, no, no, no no, we're just kind of guessing,

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and well, they essentially what they said was, we said,

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 1>if you take this assumption that humans are going to

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:44.720
<v Speaker 1>be genetically modifying themselves so that they alter their appearance

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 1>in some way, and if you take the assumption and

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>extend it down this particular path, here's what they might

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:52.840
<v Speaker 1>look like. So, in other words, they were saying, we

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>never said this is what humans are gonna look like.

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 1>We said this is what humans could look like, which

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 1>I think at that point you wonder why would bother

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:06.120
<v Speaker 1>or even making a picture. Well for the sake of conversation, yea, yeah,

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting, and their argument being that it would be

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 1>evolutionarily advantageous for us to be able to see in

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 1>the dark when we are colonizing new dark planets. Yeah,

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I think they said that it would be actually, uh,

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 1>we would re engineer ourselves to have gigantic eyes that

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.800
<v Speaker 1>could take in huge amounts of you know, that basically

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:28.959
<v Speaker 1>could see in the dark very well, because that would

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 1>be more energy efficient, you know, we wouldn't have to

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 1>waste so much energy official lighting if we could just

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>see in the dark. I mean, aside from the concerns

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>about how feasible that kind of genetic engineering is, I

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:47.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I mean, I it seems kind of far

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>fetched to me, but I guess I can't dismiss it

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>out of hand. Maybe someday we would change ourselves. Another

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>way we could think about it is, let's imagine that

0:42:56.760 --> 0:43:00.319
<v Speaker 1>we become much more comfortable with wearing some kind of

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 1>goggles all the time, you know, like the next stage

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.440
<v Speaker 1>beyond hollow lens and Google glass, we have some kind

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>of augmented reality tech goggles that we use. Would it

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:13.399
<v Speaker 1>just be that we decide, hey, it's actually much more

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 1>efficient instead of lighting all our environments to just have

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 1>our glasses all have night vision. Uh. Again, seems kind

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 1>of far fetched, but maybe maybe, I guess. I guess

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 1>it would depend on on again, how the manufacture of

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 1>those technologies moved along. Right now, it's still relatively expensive

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:38.399
<v Speaker 1>to create reliable night visions, so but yeah, if it's

0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>you have to reach that tipping point right where the

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 1>alternative is more energy efficient and more economical than the

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 1>artificial light. And until we reach that point, the artificial

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 1>light is clearly going to be more more abundant. I

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>just imagine that if we do come to that stage

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 1>where we're all just looking through night vision goggles in

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 1>dark houses all the time, what's that going to be

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.439
<v Speaker 1>like for our pets. I'm just thinking. I think I'm

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 1>just thinking of coming home one day and saying, honey,

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I looked at I looked at the store lightbulb. Bulbs

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>are twenty dollars a piece. I'm getting my eyes and

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>big and they'll be back in. Yes, I think I

0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 1>think cats pry my eyelids. I think cats would throw

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 1>us a party if we stopped putting bright lights on

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:30.440
<v Speaker 1>all the time. I don't know, they might actually get

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>upset of the fact that we can actually see what

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>they're up to. Cats cats are very particular about that

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:38.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. Uh, well, this was kind of fun

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the idea of let's just look at

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 1>something that a lot of us take for granted that

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 1>is a basic element in our lives, something that we

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:49.799
<v Speaker 1>that's all around us all the time, and we don't

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 1>necessarily think about that frequently. Despite the fact that we

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 1>do associate having an idea with a lightbulb going on,

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 1>we don't necessarily actually think about the light bulbs themselves

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:01.640
<v Speaker 1>so much. So this was a lot of fun. Oh

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 1>and one last thing before before we go into our

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 1>outroar here, I wanted to come back with I had

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:10.320
<v Speaker 1>actually written a thing about how old wine was for

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 1>what the stuff, So I'm not sure why I was

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>totally blanking on it earlier. But wine has been around,

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:19.239
<v Speaker 1>we suspect for about nine thousand years. Cave paintings date

0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 1>back as long as forty years, so there's a good

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 1>amount of time during which people were probably not drunk

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:30.399
<v Speaker 1>unless they found a slightly rotten plum. Uh wow, that's

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>a long time to look at cave painting sober. Yeah.

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:36.239
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0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:38.319
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0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.200
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0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:44.120
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