1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: The most valuable commodity. I know of this information. 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree? 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 3: Did you agree? 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 4: I got five dollars? This is a rat up? How 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 4: buy tackle? 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: Hit one man play. 7 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 4: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable. 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 4: Humans need fantasy to be human? My goodness, not mispeak. 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: You guys prone the best, relentless, refusing to give up. 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn, baby, bless there? 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 4: What is up? Everybody? 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast. I'm your host, Chris Raybon, 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: and this is your stockwatch episode for running backs heading 14 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: into the twenty twenty three season. We're gonna talk about 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: guys we think are undervalued, overvalued according to early adyp 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: here to break it down with me as always one 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: of the rankers in the game, Sean Kern or Sean, 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: what's going on now? 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: Let's just you know, dealing with baseball WNBA, NBA, so 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, just add some fans football of the mix. 21 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, love love this time of year, looking forward 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: talking about running back my favorite position, how about you. 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm starting to get into starting to kind of 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: get my initial ranks situated for this year, so you know, 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: it's always fun. NBA is winding down a little bit, So, 26 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 3: uh yeah, I'm excited to talk some some running backs. 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 4: I think we both have a lot of a lot. 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: Of opinions on guys for this one. You know, it's 29 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: not like quarterback and tight end. We're kind of you know, 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: there's a few guys here and there, but I think 31 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 3: running back obviously one of the two make or break 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: positions in fantasy. So let's start it right off. Who 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: you got undervalued at the running back position? 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: And I think it's fair to say our opinions might 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: change a lot on these guys just because their value 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: is tied to their teammates more than other positions. So 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: right now, the one guy I think is underrated, right now, 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: you actually have him. I'll let you take this guy first. 39 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: But the one guy iah. 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: Him, I got I switch of other guys now, all right? 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: Who Herbert? All right, he's RB thirty five. You know, 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: David Montgurmy's gone. But you know the Bears now have 43 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: Deontay Foreman Rashawn Johnson, who I think is a really 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: talented rookie. So there's perception this could be a two 45 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: three way running back by committee, which you know is 46 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: certainly in the range of outcomes. But I think RB 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: thirty five is the perfect time to take a flyer 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: on a guy like Herbert, mainly because he's just really good. 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: He's a really good running back. Last year he was 50 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: fourteenth and missed tackle rate third, and explosive run rate 51 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: fourth and yards after contact and first and rush yards overexpected, 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: the next gen stat stat I love. So he's just 53 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: a very talented running back. And you know, whenever Dave 54 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: Montgermy was out, he was an RB two sometimes an 55 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: RB one type of guy. So I think, yeah, there's 56 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: gonna be some competition. He might not be the workhorse back, 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: but getting him at RB thirty five, I think there's 58 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: just too much value there. That's a range where I 59 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: like to take, you know, chances. I just think he's 60 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: too talent to let slip by past RB thirty five. 61 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think his value is dropping a 62 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: little bit because I forget one of somebody on NFL 63 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: dot Com. I believe it was I think it was 64 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: Rosenthal projected Rashawn Johnson to be the starter, but he 65 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 3: kind of said, you know, this is kind of a reach. 66 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: I'm just kind of throwing this out there. But I 67 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: think that's kind of knock it down, Herbert, But I 68 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: would think, you know, even in a potential committee, you know, 69 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: he's the talent, the most talented guy, one of the 70 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: more talented runners in the league. So yeah, I think 71 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: he's a good bet to win that job and hold 72 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: on to it. I'll go with let's start with Alexander Madison. 73 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: He's the RB thirty right now, but it looks Dawn 74 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 3: Cooks very likely to be traded, and you know it's 75 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: more likely than not, probably like seventy five percent chance, 76 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: if not higher. So you look at Madison and he 77 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: just got the six point three mil guaranteed, and if 78 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: the minute Cook gets traded, Madison's value jumps, you know, 79 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: to RB fifteen ten ish range, twenty one and a 80 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: half carries for eighty nine rushing yards per game in 81 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 3: four starts in twenty twenty one, along with another forty 82 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 3: and a half receiving yards per game, and then in 83 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: twenty twenty he had another couple of starts averaged about 84 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: seventy eight total yards and a touchdown. So he's been 85 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: very productive and he's still just twenty four. He turns 86 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: twenty five in June, so not a lot of tread 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: on the tires, and this Viking offense should be solid. 88 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: So I like Madison, and I just think at this 89 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: point of the year, you know, he's that one guy 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 3: where you know it's a little bit risky. You know, 91 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: there's a there's still a chance Cook doesn't get traded, 92 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: but the odds are very high, and there's no one 93 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: that's gonna jump up in value more than Madison, if 94 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: you know, potentially given adp So love getting ahead of 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: Madison early on here in Wait May. 96 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that call. And obviously he only hits 97 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: value if Cook gets traded, and the fact that you 98 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: think it's seventy five percent means that Madison should probably 99 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: be inside the top twenty. 100 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 4: Yeah. 101 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: So I didn't realize you're that confident that he'll get traded, 102 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: but I'll trust to you. And yeah, just knowing that 103 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: Madison is a steal at thirty two right. 104 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: Now, I mean everything I'm reading, you know round Cook 105 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: is it's looking like they're just trying to do him, 106 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: you know, do right by him and try to send. 107 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 4: Him to a spot he wants to go. 108 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, like you saw them trade who 109 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: was it Zadarius Smith? Like this this team, the cap 110 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: is really killing him. So yeah, you know, I think 111 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: that contract for Madison, you know, six point three mil guaranteed. 112 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 3: You know, that's not backup money, you know, that's that's 113 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: the kind of you know, one hundred and fifty plus 114 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: carry money. 115 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 4: So yeah, make the runnings on the wall. 116 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: The Instagram account or Twitter account swapped out Dalvin Cook 117 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: to Alexander Madison's picture or something you want to do 118 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: some internet slear thing. Plus, I think you know Dalvin 119 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: Cook's dealing with he he had surgery and has torn 120 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: labram So you probably can't pass the physical to get 121 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: traded right now, so we're probably waiting for that to happen. 122 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: So the fact that he hasn't been traded yet isn't 123 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: a surprise. I think that's that's what's the hold up. 124 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: So yeah, like it seems likely that he will get traded. 125 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, who else you got? 126 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: So I'm going with your boy Rashad Penny just because 127 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: he's going RB forty one right now, and I think 128 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: that's that's the perfect time to take a running back 129 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: like him. I just think he has a ton of 130 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: upside in the Eagles offense. You know, he's averaged one 131 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: point seven yards per rush in his career. Now he 132 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: gets to play behind arguably the best offensive line in football, 133 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: so he could have a few spike games even with 134 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: a limited workload, potentially behind Deandres Swift. But you know 135 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: he could form more of a fifty to fifty time 136 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: share with Swift when both are healthy, and you know, 137 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: Penny would probably mainly see early down work, which is 138 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: the more fancy friendly role on the Eagles, especially you know, 139 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: if they're playing with the lead, they love getting all 140 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: the running backs involved in goal line carres. It seems 141 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: like one time per month we see three running backs 142 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: engine and hurt score rushing touchdown a game. The obvious 143 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: concern with Penny is his health. You know, he's never 144 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: able to stay healthy for you know, all sixteen seventeen games. 145 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: But at RB forty one, you know, it's not really 146 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: kill you if he misses a few games. So I think, 147 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: whether it's best Ball or redraft leagues, I think RB 148 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: forty one is the time to take it back like 149 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: him where he doesn't necessarily need injury in front of 150 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: them to hit value. So I just love the high 151 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: forcing combo he provides. 152 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's not forget the Eagles didn't know DeAndre 153 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: Swift was going to become available, so when they rostered 154 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 3: Penny and created, they didn't really break the bank or anything, 155 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: you know, so it was a very low risk move 156 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: for them. 157 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 4: I think he got under a male guaranteed or something 158 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 4: like that. 159 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: But uh, you know, he was kind of slotted into 160 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: that Miles Sanders role yep, before the Swift acquisition, and 161 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that that changes massively obviously. I think, 162 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: you know, you make rooms to get Swift a little 163 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: bit more, you know, of a of a split. But yeah, 164 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: like you said, it could be a fifty to fifties 165 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: but it could even be Penny leading the backfield when 166 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: he's healthy. And we've seen him, you know, we had 167 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: that stretcher. He was the best running back in football 168 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. I think it was what 169 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 3: was it twenty twenty one, in like December, so yeah, like. 170 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: The last six games he was like RB two or 171 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: one something like that. 172 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I you know, that's the kind of upside 173 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: he still has, especially as you mentioned, behind this offensive line, 174 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: and Wich should be a high powered offense that has 175 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: a lot of a lot available for running backs, even 176 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: with Jalhen Hurts running all right, I'm going with Tyler 177 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: Algier at running back forty four. I think that you know, 178 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: Bijon is gonna be great. He's being drafted as a 179 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: top five back. Fine, great, But I still think Algier 180 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: is gonna have more value than this RB forty four. 181 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: Atlanta was second in the NFL with twenty six point 182 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: seven running back carries per game, and Bijon they've already 183 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: said they're gonna use him all over the field. They're 184 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 3: gonna have him line up in the slot out wide, 185 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,119 Speaker 3: So I think Algier will still be in the backfield 186 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: quite a bit and get quite a bit of snaps 187 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: because Patterson's the guy. He's going to be shifting to 188 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: wide receiver pretty much full time according to the report. 189 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 3: So I think that Algiers being a little bit undervalued here, 190 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 3: especially when you consider that you know, he's got massive 191 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 3: upside as a Robinson handcuff, you know. But I I 192 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: still think he'll be able to give you some standalone 193 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: flex value in that RB two rows, like he'll get 194 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: ten plus carries a bunch of weeks in this offense. 195 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: The way they want to run one of the best 196 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: lines in the league. I think the offense will be 197 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: will move the ball even more than last year. So 198 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 3: I like Algiere down here at RB forty four. I 199 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: feel like people are sleeping on him because of Jon. 200 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think that's sneaky because everybody wants vjeon, 201 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: but they could They're going to run at a ship Ton, 202 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 1: so he could see enough carries a week to have 203 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: flex value and obviously has the injury upside. Plus, you know, 204 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: Caleb Huntley looks like he's gonna start the season off 205 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: on the IR He had that Achilles terear, so that's 206 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: one last running back to worry about. And then I 207 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: don't know, it's all. Patterson could be cut candidate or something, 208 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: or you know, move to wide receiver. But either way, 209 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't think we need to worry about c pat 210 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: too much. So yeah, there just isn't that much competition 211 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: out outside of Bijon obviously, but Algier, you know, he 212 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: has that number two locked up to himself. 213 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. 214 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 3: What I'm saying with Patterson is a move to wide 215 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: receiver because you know, everyone's kind of looking at that 216 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: Falcon depth chart right now and saying, you know, they 217 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: don't have wide receivers, but really hits as a wide receiver, 218 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: and Patterson's about to be a wide receiver. You don't 219 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: even need to start mac Hollins. He also got johnre 220 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: out there, so I like like how Land is looking 221 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 3: at the scope positions like alg Year, but who else 222 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 3: he got for undervalued running back. 223 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: So my last one, I'm going way down here. I'm 224 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: going Zach Evans at RB fifty nine, and that's that's 225 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: the range where you're you're dealing with clear backups. And 226 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: I just think the Rams was just a perfect landing 227 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: spot for him. You know, he should open the season 228 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: as cam Akers back up. You know, they have a 229 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: similar skill set, and you know, I don't. I don't 230 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: think he's an elite frog Acres necessarily. You know, Acres 231 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: finished last season strong, much to my chagrin, finishing with 232 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: three straight hundred yard games. 233 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 5: But you know, Zach Evans, he's pretty pretty talented, but 234 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 5: for various reasons, he didn't really produce up to his 235 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 5: potential in college, so he could be sneaky in the pros. 236 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: He could surprise people. So right now he's just the 237 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: clear backup again. I think Kiri Williams is more of 238 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: just the receiving back. If Akers were to miss time, 239 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: it would be Evans that would step up. So I 240 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: think you're getting a pretty good value on a clear 241 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: number two back in Evans at RB fifty. 242 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: Nine pouring out for Kien Williams. 243 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: Yes, pouring out. I mean he could still be a factor, 244 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: especially you know the Rams. What's the wind toll now 245 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: six and a half? Yeah, if they turn into a 246 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: disaster and have more trailing game scripts, that could suit 247 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: in the Kien Williams. But I'm done trying to figure 248 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: out what Sean McVay is gonna do with them. But 249 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: Evans is more of a true warhorse back, so I 250 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: think he could He's very similar to Camp Makers, so 251 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: I think has a ton of upside in this offense. 252 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, And I'll keep with the rookie train, you know. 253 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: I think, you know, this is the time of year. 254 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 3: Try to take some shots on some rookies. You know, 255 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: guys probably will end up moving up. I like Tank 256 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: Bigsby for Jacksonville third round pick has been shown out 257 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: well as a pass catcher in camp. 258 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 4: And Travis Eten. 259 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 3: I don't think they actually ever wanted to give him 260 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 3: quite as big a role as he had last year's 261 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: This James Robinson was so ineffective that they just kind 262 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: of moved him and got what they could. But Eatn 263 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: still had ten games where he played fifty five percent 264 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 3: or less of the snaps, including three of. 265 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 4: The past four. 266 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 3: And he had pretty good injury luck last year because 267 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: he did get banged up a couple of times, but 268 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 3: he played in all seventeen games. So I think that Bigsby, 269 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: you know, that third round pick, that's pretty high draft 270 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 3: capital for a Jacksonville team that had a lot of 271 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: needs on defense. So I think this guy is going 272 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: to play and win that number two job sooner than later, 273 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 3: probably coming out of camp by week one. And another 274 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: thing I noticed with Etn he only converted four of 275 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 3: his twenty three carries inside the ten for touchdowns. So 276 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: that's another spot where maybe Bigsby gets some look there 277 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: as well. So I think there's some some nice upside 278 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: here for a variety of reasons. You got the handcuff factor. 279 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: I think Biggsby could end up getting that Robinson role, 280 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 3: which would be a kind of a standalone flex value. 281 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: And you also got the the goal potential goal line 282 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: work as well, So like taking the flyer on Bigsby. 283 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 4: He's RB fifty one right now. 284 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, I love that. I was going 285 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: to say, he does kind of fit that bill for 286 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: the James Robinson role and you know, the goal line role, 287 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: and the Jaguars offense could be pretty pumped this year, 288 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: so that goal line role could allow him to score 289 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, five day touchdowns easily. 290 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's, you know, kind of one of those guys 291 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: I think might surprise people. And one more Jalen Warren. 292 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: He's RB sixty four. I think that's too low. I 293 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if he starts to cut into Najie 294 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: Harris's work quote a little bit. 295 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 4: You know, he was better. 296 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: Than Nause in yards after contact three point one to 297 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: two point seven, and that's predictive. You know, the yards 298 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: before contact is a lot more random and it's a 299 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: lot more to do with the quality of your line. 300 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: But after contact that's a little more sticky year over 301 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: a year. Also, yards per route run another one of 302 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: those stickier metrics. Warren one point three Nagy point eight, 303 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: So half a yard per route better is Jalen Warren. 304 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: And he was the better pass blocker last year too, 305 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: just two pressures on fifty pass block snaps compared to 306 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 3: eight pressures allowed for Nase on ninety. So Nauji allowed 307 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: a pressure rate of nine percent versus just four percent 308 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: for Warren. So I think Warren's usage is going to 309 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: kind of tick up, and another guy who's that clear handcuff, 310 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 3: I think for Nag going pretty late here and now 311 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: you're going pretty early. So I like the kind of 312 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: the leverage of getting just by taking a flyer on 313 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 3: him in like a best ball format or something like 314 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 3: that too. 315 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this, and this kind of leads into 316 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: my first guy's gonna mention that's overrated. Actually, let's go. 317 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: That's Naji Harris. You know right now, he's right around 318 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: RB nine, and the main selling point for Naji has 319 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: always been just the massive volume that he gets. He's 320 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: never really been that efficient. But you know last season 321 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: you said Jaalah Warmer might eat into his usage. He's 322 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: already eating into his usage, especially in the receiving role. 323 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, Nag only cleared sixty percent routes run 324 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: rate last year twice, so that's just he's not going 325 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: to get it done with that so I still think 326 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: he has a high floor and deserves to be in 327 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: the you know, fringe RB one RB two discussion, But 328 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: I'd rather take a Tony Pollard Ormandre Stevenson type of 329 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: guy who you know, they both have pretty high floors, 330 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: but also much higher ceilings in their offense. So does 331 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: nag at RB nine seems a little too steep for me, 332 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: especially like you said, Janeah Warer was just really good 333 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: last year. He's a really good back, so I can 334 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: only see him eating into Nause's role even more, which 335 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: basically just kneecaps the whole entire point of drafting Nause 336 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: to begin with. 337 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, he had seven touchdowns last year, 338 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 3: which he probably should have had more because Pittsburgh only 339 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: threw twelve touchdowns and they had sixteen rushing and somehow 340 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: Naje played all seventeen games, had two hundred and seventy 341 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 3: two carries, and only had seven touchdowns. So, like, I 342 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: don't know if he's going to have a more opportunity 343 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: for touchdowns this year than he did last year. I 344 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: think that was kind of the perfect, you know, kind 345 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 3: of situation. Although we did get three three receiving but overall, Yeah, 346 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 3: I think nause is kind of it's you know, RB 347 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: ten is or RB nine is rich for him because 348 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: I don't know if he's got much upside beyond that, like, 349 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: because like you said, the receiving usage just isn't there 350 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 3: the way it was as his rookie year. 351 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 2: Okay, folks, summer is nearly here, so let's talk about 352 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: Shady Ray's friends of the Action podcast family. 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The Shades rated 370 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: five stars by over two hundred thousand people. 371 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: For me, my number one over value guy is Brian 372 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 3: Robinson Junior. Like this, he just sticks out like a 373 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 3: sore thumb to me. You have that new offensive coordinator, 374 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: Eric b Enemy. So you know, Scott Turner's out and 375 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 3: everything I'm hearing out of camp, you know, reading between 376 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: the lines, it kind of sounds like that was Turner's 377 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 3: doing with you know, going to Robinson and going away 378 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: from Gibson and all that stuff. Because Eric the Enemy's 379 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 3: said he quote uncle quote loves six rounder Chris Rodriguez, 380 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 3: who was like another Brian Robinson early down physical short 381 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 3: yardage guy. And then he also said he's excited about Gibson. 382 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 3: And then Ron Rivera said he would like to see 383 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: Gibson get more tries quote obviously, So the only guy 384 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: that I haven't heard talked up by the enemy and 385 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: Ron Rivera, this offseason has been Brian Robinson, and I think, 386 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: you know, you could kind of understand why, especially when 387 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: you have a new offensive coordinator coming in, because Robinson 388 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: very volume based and inefficient, just three point nine yards 389 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: per carry and two touchdowns and two hundred and five carries, 390 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 3: just six point seven yards per catch, fiftieth of sixty 391 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 3: qualified backs in yards after contact, which is not great 392 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: for a guy who's supposed to be, you know, big 393 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 3: bruising back. And he's very game script dependent. Seventeen point 394 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 3: one carries per game last year despite playing just forty 395 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 3: three percent of the snaps, averaged just one target and 396 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: point eight catches per game, and Washington actually went six 397 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: five and one in the twelve games Robinson played. Their 398 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: win total for this entire year is six and a half. 399 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 3: So you can see some worst game script. And I 400 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: just don't think the enemy is sold on Robinson. Sounds 401 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: like they're gonna go a little bit more Gibson and 402 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: they may even give this this guy Rodriguez some cracks 403 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 3: as well. So yeah, Robinson, I'm not feeling him in 404 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: the top thirty. He's RB twenty nine right now. I 405 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: think he should be outside the top thirty. Six until 406 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 3: we can kind of get more clarity that his role 407 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: will be anything close to what it was last year, 408 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 3: which I don't think it will be anyway, because, like 409 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: I said, I just don't think Washington will have those 410 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 3: game scripts. 411 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that. He's definitely a game 412 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: script dependent and you know the Commanders aren't going to 413 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: provide him any games, you know, to see a bunch 414 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: of carries, So I think, yeah, their schedule, you know, 415 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: their win total sets up Gibson way better. Gibson will 416 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: finally get to take over that JD. Mccuzic role that's 417 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: more of a natural playing style for him. So yeah, 418 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: it's especially with Chris Rodriguez Junior in the mix. I 419 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: don't see how you could take Robinson in the top 420 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: thirty right now? 421 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 4: Who else you got? 422 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: So you know, I was under you know, I thought 423 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: Rashad Penny was undervalued, So I gotta go with DeAndre 424 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: Swift being overvalued at RB twenty right now. You know, 425 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: after the Lions brought in Dave Montgomery and then drafted 426 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: Jamier Gibbs, Swift landing in Philly was the best case 427 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: scenario for Swift. But I think you know, his adp 428 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: is slightly out of control at this point. You know, 429 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: he should be the Week one starter an elite offense 430 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: behind a great offensive line. We obviously know Swift is 431 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: very talented, but you know, I'm just worried about his 432 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: receiving potential in this offense. The Eagles aren't really a 433 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: team that really throw to the running back much. You know, 434 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is more likely to scramble than he has 435 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: a dump it off to running back. So there were 436 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: ten games last year where they had three or fewer 437 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: running back targets. Now that could change now that they 438 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: have a pass catching back like Swift, but I don't 439 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: expect it to go up too much. So I think 440 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: that just caps his upside and he's gonna have to 441 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: share the wealth of Rashad Penny, Penny Gainwell, they always 442 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: love getting Boston's got involved, especially around the goal line. 443 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: So it's just one of those situation where the Eagles 444 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: have so many running backs it's just hard to take 445 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: the most expensive guy, who is Swift at RB twenty 446 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: right now. And I'd just rather, you know, invest in 447 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: Penny later on. Not to say that I think Swift 448 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: will be a bus or anything. But just RB twenty 449 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: is too rich just given the situation. We don't really 450 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: know how things are going to shake out. 451 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's the thing with the egos is 452 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: that we really just don't know at this point. And 453 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: you know, we have two new guys in that backfield 454 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 3: to go along with Gainwell and Scott, you know, so 455 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: we'll see even you know, even how does that depth 456 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: chart shakeout? You know, do they is one of those 457 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: guys a healthy scratch? Do they cut one of them 458 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: or are all for active on game day? Like it's 459 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 3: it's an interesting situation, definitely something to monitor in camp. 460 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 4: But I agree. 461 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 3: I think right now you take the cheaper guy in 462 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: Penny and maybe Swift falls down a couple of notches. 463 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 4: Come August, another overvalued. 464 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 3: Guy for me, Breise Hall at RB ten and this 465 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: is just super high considering that we really don't have 466 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: clarity on exactly when he'll be back. He's coming off 467 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: an acl which a tour in week seven. They're saying 468 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: he could be ready for week one. It's still not 469 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 3: a guarantee. GM Joe Douglas was quoted as saying they 470 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: have to protect him from himself. So I don't know 471 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 3: if he gets a full workload right off the bat. Anyway, 472 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: he's also a regression candidate. He's very good back, but 473 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: twenty one percent of his yardage from scrimmage came on 474 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: two touches last year. He had a sixty two yard 475 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 3: run and a seventy nine yard catch, So he had 476 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: ninety nine touches six't eighty one yards and he had 477 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 3: one hundred and forty one of them came on two 478 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 3: of those ninety nine, So there's some regression questions there, 479 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: and also you know, can he continue to break off 480 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 3: those monster runs coming off the injury. And you also 481 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: have some other questions on the offense. Obviously Rogers is 482 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 3: an upgrade, but your offensive line still some question marks 483 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: as far as run blocking. They were dead last in 484 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 3: adjusted line yards a season ago. And you know it's 485 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 3: a new offense with Nathaniel Hackett, so not sure exactly 486 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 3: you know, how the scheme is going to be, exactly 487 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: what he has planned and how he wants to use. Also, 488 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: just too many question marks at RB ten. You know, 489 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 3: if I was getting a little more of an injury discount, 490 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 3: maybe in the mid teens, low teens or high teens, 491 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: I should say then yeah, but I think it's way 492 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 3: too early to be taking him as a shore fire 493 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 3: RB one at this point where we really just too 494 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: many question marks all around. 495 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, he's a guy that you know, our 496 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: rank on him, our projections might go up and down 497 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: based on the news, but as of now he's yet 498 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: to return to practice. I think so definitely where Obviously 499 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: he's one of the more talented young running backs, but 500 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: they also draft did Israel Abana Kanada, who I love. 501 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: So they have him Michael Carter, so he has competition 502 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: for touches. They probably won't give him massive workloud at 503 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: least early on to ease him in. So yeah, right 504 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: now top ten is a bit rich unless we start 505 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: getting some more positive news on his week one availability. 506 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: But certainly he has the potential to be a top 507 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: ten back when healthy. 508 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 4: All right, who else you got over value? 509 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: So I'm going with James Cook, who you know, I 510 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: love James Cook. Last year I thought he should have 511 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: been more involved, but right now he's RB twenty four 512 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: and that's probably closer to his ceiling if anything. You know, 513 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: with Devin Singleitary gone, he should see an increased role. 514 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: But they brought in Damian Harris, you know who's probably 515 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: going to handle the goal line work. And you know 516 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: the Bills, No, Cook probably can't handle a true workhorse role. 517 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: So you know, he's like getting to see carries inside 518 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: the twenties and handle the receiving denwork, but on the Bills, 519 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, that receiving role isn't too valuable or the 520 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: golding back. I feel like every year we're kind of 521 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: more excited about Bill's running backs than we should be, 522 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: so I've learned to kind of be a little bit 523 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: more pessimistic about them. So and it's also bizarre that 524 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: they traded for Nihim Hines and didn't even use him 525 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: in the you know, the passing game. So there's a 526 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: chance Hines is integrated in the offense a little bit 527 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: more this year, and that's only gonna hurt Cook. So 528 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: just RB twenty four just seems way too high for Cook. 529 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: I love him as a talent, but he just he 530 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: doesn't have the skill set to really be a work 531 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: work course back and really command that ADP right now. 532 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: So I'm punting on him at RB twenty four. 533 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it really seems like they're trying to go, 534 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 3: you know, bring back that Zach Moss role because they 535 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: not only signed Damian Harris, but they also signed Latavious Murray. 536 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 3: So they're clearly they clearly want like a big back 537 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 3: that's that has a different skill set than Cook, and 538 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 3: that would be bad news, Like you said, for his 539 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: touchdown upside, and I don't even know if he has that, 540 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 3: Like you know, remember Devin Singletary, there would be stretches 541 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: where he would play like ninety percent of the snaps, 542 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: you know, if Harris and Hines are active, and maybe 543 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 3: even Murray's around, I don't know if Cook has that 544 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 3: same upside. And yeah, so it's kind of tough to 545 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 3: figure out exactly where he's gonna get get his get 546 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 3: the upside because if you're drafting a guy, you know, 547 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 3: mid twenties, you do want that RB one upside, and 548 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 3: I feel like his ceiling is kind of tapped out 549 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: at RB two exactly. Another guy overvalued for me, Jeric McKinnon. 550 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: He's going RB forty right now. Massive regression candidate. He 551 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: had a five game stretch weeks thirteen to seventeen where 552 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: he scored eight touchdowns, and he had a career high 553 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: ten touchdowns last year on one hundred and twenty eight touches. 554 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 3: That means he scored a touchdown every twelve point eight touches. 555 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 3: For his career, he scores a touchdown every forty touches, 556 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 3: so massive regression candidate. Even with the Chiefs Saw offense, 557 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 3: he didn't crack nine half PPR points in any other 558 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: game outside that week thirteen to seventeen stretch double digit 559 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 3: PPR points at just two other games, and even the 560 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 3: seventeen games played that he had last year, you know, 561 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 3: not necessarily a guarantee to continue because he's missed thirty 562 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 3: six games over the past five seasons. He also put 563 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 3: up a career high in yards per catch at over nine. 564 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: His career averages around seven and a half, so pretty 565 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: much every category he's due for regression. He's thirty one 566 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: years old now and he's still only averaged four carries 567 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: and three point three catches per game last year, so 568 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: just seven point three touches. So these kind of backs, 569 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: these the guys that you know kind of splashing PPR 570 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: and kill their ADP. 571 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 4: You want to get ahead of them. 572 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 3: You don't want to draft them after the fact because 573 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 3: they almost always regress back down to the mean and 574 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: at age thirty one. You know that's you know, running backs. 575 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: I know he doesn't have a ton of tread on 576 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 3: the tires, but I think his best role is still 577 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 3: a pass blocker from Mahomes occasional receiver. But I don't 578 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 3: think you're going to see him probably even equipse just 579 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 3: seven point three touches he got last year. 580 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially considering you know, Clyde Edwards Hilaira missed what 581 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: eight nine games, so McKinnon picked up basically, you know, 582 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: all those passing down snaps. Not that Clyde Edwards Hilaiir 583 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: is ever going to live up to his first round billing, 584 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: but his return could just eat into McKinnon just a 585 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: little bit more so. I think just last year was 586 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: McKinnon's ceiling obviously. 587 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and one more Raheem Moster. 588 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: He's going to RB forty five and another guy who 589 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 3: thirty one years old. 590 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 4: I think he got a fade a guy like this. 591 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 3: I know he had some good games for Miami last year, 592 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: but they traded for Wilson and Moster are they both. 593 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 4: Signed two year contracts. 594 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: Moster got less money guaranteed and total on his contract 595 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 3: in Wilson, and they also got Devon a Chang, who 596 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 3: they drafted on Day two, and they are considered the 597 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 3: top landing spot for Dalvin Cook. So the fact that 598 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 3: Miami's interested there just tells me that, you know, moster 599 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 3: probably is going to be even if he's getting you know, 600 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 3: some work, it's going to be really hard to predict 601 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: and it's going to be split with Wilson and if 602 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 3: Cook goes there, forget about it. And a change could 603 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 3: also factor in on passing downs or as a change 604 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 3: of pace as well. So most are twenty six miss 605 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: games his last three years, thirty one years old, I 606 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 3: don't think you want to draft him as a as 607 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 3: a even in the top fifty. I think I think 608 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: he's the guy you have to fade in this Miami backfield. 609 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a toen of sense. Just a running 610 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: back that's leaned on speed his entire career. You know, 611 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: once he once he reaches the wrong side of thirty, 612 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: that's never good. And they just drafted a twenty one 613 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: year old speedser So that's not good for most of 614 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: the prospects. But going back to Dalvin Cook, do you 615 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: think that the Dolphins are one of the likely teams 616 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: that he ends up because that's something that we should 617 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: probably factor in. 618 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's I mean, I think it's possible. 619 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 4: You know, they do. 620 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,719 Speaker 3: They did, you know, sign moster Ann Wilson to fairly 621 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 3: cheap contracts. But you know, I think if with the 622 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 3: opportunity to get Dalvin, I don't think they would necessarily 623 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 3: pass on it. And either way, I just think this 624 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 3: backfield is super crowded with the h Adeye, you know, 625 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 3: that could be a three man backfield from the jump, 626 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 3: and you know, you got to fade the thirty one 627 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: year old in this situation, especially when he's not a 628 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 3: true three down back, like I know, he got some 629 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 3: catches here and there, but he's more of a two 630 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 3: down back. So you're talking about a thirty one year 631 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 3: old two down back who relies on speed, like you said, 632 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, out on him. 633 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 4: Anyone else overvalue for you? 634 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: No, that's all I got, all right. 635 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 3: So to recap for your undervalued players, you got Khalil Herbert, 636 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 3: Rashad Penny and Zach Evans. I got Alexander Madison, Tyler, Algier, 637 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 3: Tank Bisbee, Jalen Warren, and for overvalued you got DeAndre Swift, 638 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: Najee Harris and James Cook and I got Brian Robinson, 639 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 3: Junior Breist Hall, Jerck McKinnon and Raheem Mostert. 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