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Speaker 1: The Black Effect podcast? That word that word? What's happening

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Speaker 1: Shot No Chasing. I wanted to start off season two

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Speaker 1: since n representing Center Park in Inglewood, California, National best

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Speaker 1: What's happens for us? Thank you for joining me than

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Speaker 1: for having me. I'm doing well well. As you know.

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Speaker 1: We have very conversational interviews here at Straight Show, no

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Speaker 1: I'll have him on Frank, I'm sure at one point

430
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 1: to talk about what it's like to have to lose

431
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,959
Speaker 1: the son. But I want to give that shout out

432
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: to him and my cousin Stephen Lynn, who is also

433
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: these are these are kin folks that I'm talking about now,

434
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: So we needed to pause and pay homage to Frank. Okay,

435
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: go ahead, So that the money's enormous, you know what

436
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it's and what's enormous? Breakdown because a lot

437
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: of times people see money on TV and they don't

438
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: understand that nineties money. I understand it. So let's break

439
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: down because I have a very wide group of folks

440
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: that listen to me, young, old in the middle, and

441
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't come from this culture. So

442
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: let's let's break down what is enormous, because I want

443
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: them to know what I what I saw for real

444
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: with my own eyes. What were you running on a

445
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: weekly basis? All right? At that time when he's going

446
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: back and forth, a keto a cocaine out here was

447
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: going for about thirteen five thirteen thousand. You take that

448
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: one keylo and take it ok home and whip it

449
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: and flip it, and I'm coming back with over hunting.

450
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: And that's strictly setting weight. There ain't nothing waits ounces

451
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: half ounces to court the keys and on the fourth

452
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: so forth, the normous. The prices were so different from

453
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: California to Oklahoma. Did it was just ridiculous. Where California

454
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: was four hundred dollars ounce, Oklahoma was fifteen hundred dollars now,

455
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: So that's how we was able to make that money

456
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: so fast in a week. I mean in a week

457
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: we probably make about thirty thousand now. And then that

458
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: was even Yeah, that was even before learning how to

459
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: stretch it and learn how to break it. That there's

460
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: so much game we can give on that we're just

461
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: we're digging too later. You know about the dope game

462
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: because I know there's a lot you can break down

463
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: on how basically by one key naturally if you don't

464
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: do no whip and we can take one key, which

465
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: is thirty six ounces and turning into fifty two ours

466
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: is just about putting soda with it. And once that started,

467
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: so you're two hours and fifteen hundred hundred dollars zone right,

468
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: So on a weekly basis, you were making what just

469
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: to clarify and the earliest ages in the early stages

470
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: when I was just coming around getting with the rate

471
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: with thirty thousand in a week. Now we're talking about

472
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: money for real, and this is truly a real story.

473
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: I've watched because now you're in Oklahoma City, so I've

474
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: watched this money be bagged up personally. I've seen you

475
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: and E. T. And other people in the whole click

476
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,239
Speaker 1: gamble this type of money on one role. I mean

477
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: easy because that was when the gambling was was popping

478
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: and easy. So now we're at the time where I

479
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: come in, which is the most important time, um, and

480
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: I want to give a clear I want to say

481
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: you know what what people don't understand. People say, you know,

482
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: where are you from? And I tell people, you know,

483
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: my family, my bloodline is Louisiana. And I say that

484
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: because Figaro, I do believe that women from Louisiana, like

485
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: my aunt Ella is, you know, very different. Creole women

486
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: are very different. So I give people I want people

487
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: to know the sauciness comes from Louisiana. But I did

488
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: grow up in Oklahoma. I left at eighteen, and I've

489
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: lived in Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Orlando, you know, various places.

490
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: But the reason why I talked about West Coast so much,

491
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: and people a lot of people think I'm from l

492
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: A or they think, But the reason why I talked

493
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: about it so much is because when I met you guys.

494
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: I met you guys when I was in high school.

495
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: You know, my neighborhood was Piru four s Paru, North Highlands.

496
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: My cousins were neighborhood crips on the East side, and

497
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: in that era of the nineties, everything was flooded, I mean,

498
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: gang banging controlled everything. In fact, there's a statu from

499
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: Bloomberg City, lab And this status actually was actually two

500
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: thousand twelve and it said the five cities with the

501
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: most gang violence is Long Beach, Los Angeles, Newark, Oakland,

502
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma City and a lot of people don't see that.

503
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: I know, Oklahoma City, I think they did, didn't They

504
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: have a They had a one of those gang Land

505
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, they featured Oklahoma City, And I think people

506
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: get the Midwest twisted because I don't count Oklahoma City

507
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: is necessarily the South. This is the Midwest, Kansas in

508
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: that area, and what people don't understand. I wanted to

509
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: put this, you know, this, this little bit of nugget

510
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: in on why Oklahoma was a choice especially for selling dope,

511
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: because Oklahoma was in the center and so you could

512
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: push away to Texas, Kansas, whatever. It was a small

513
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: town and when l A came into the mix. They've

514
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: been gangbanging since the eighties. But when l A came

515
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: into the mix, not you particularly, but when gang banging

516
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 1: reached out, you know, outside of l A. It hit

517
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: the Midwest hard, and a lot of people in the South, Texas, Louisiana,

518
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: other places Georgia, which I know they have games, but

519
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how you know relevant it was then,

520
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: But in Oklahoma City, everything was influenced by the West Coast.

521
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: So that's why my straight shot, no chase, this song

522
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: has a West Coast vibe. That's why people hear me

523
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, Tupac all the time and when

524
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: we are not has had an argument about Tupac. We're

525
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: gonna say that for another time about whether he was

526
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: West Coast or not. The point is, um, we're not

527
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: even gon ahead of argument anyway. So growing up around

528
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: bloods in my neighborhood and my cousin's being crips. When

529
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: you and Biggiet got into the mix, that was really

530
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: the first time that I met somebody from the big turf.

531
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: So you have to like really think about that. It's

532
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: so powerful when I think about that, to be fifteen,

533
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: sixteen years old and think about how influential that is,

534
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: to be that young and to be so influenced Menister society.

535
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: It just came out. Boys in the Hood came out earlier,

536
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, I watched it after it came out. I

537
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: think Boys in Hood came out. I was too young then,

538
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: but minnes Society came out of ninety three, and so

539
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: I remember very clear, me and my best friend Tammy

540
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: and Trey Rest in peace, young Food who was a

541
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: blood of Oklahoma, who couldn't stand me because I had

542
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: cousin crips. Um. But I remember so clearly the influence

543
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: of what it meant for, like somebody from Big Turt.

544
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: You know, I knew the Harmies who represented Parule and

545
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: Peru love was bumping back then, and you know, you

546
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: had Midwest City Murder One. You had all these different

547
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: and really crip was the thing back then, because we

548
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: know the crips, you know, kind of ran the rap

549
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: industry back then, because you had Snoop and you know

550
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: all of that that came out with n w A.

551
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: But when you got into the mix, and I just

552
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: want to tell this story. I know we don't have

553
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: all night, but there's so many different elements to our story.

554
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: I just want people to know and and this is

555
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: also a time for people to get to know a

556
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: little about me. When you came into the mix and

557
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: you pulled up up to pick me up, and I'm

558
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: telling you, Spud, it was like menaces society. Literally, it

559
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: was like I was beating the old dog or something,

560
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, from the for the first time in life.

561
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: Because you picked me up and when you opened up

562
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: the door and with something baby, you had that hard

563
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: California accent and being around et it just has such

564
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: an influence on my life. I remember being in the

565
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: club and being out and be like, well, hey, this

566
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: dude mess with me or whatever whatever, And you was

567
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: always about to business, what's happening, Who's what? What? What?

568
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean? You was really on your ego ship back then.

569
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: So it's so I just I want people to know

570
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: that about me because I want people to understand because

571
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: a lot of times when they see game members that

572
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: they can't see, they can't humanize them. And I want

573
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: people to know that even though they see me on

574
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: Fox News and the Black News Channel and MSNBC and

575
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: doing my thing in politics, I want people to know

576
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: that this lifestyle that I talked about, it's personal. I

577
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: lived it, I was around it. I didn't game bang,

578
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: but I'm what you call a sympathizer. You can't even

579
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: call me like in politics, I'm a moderate sympathizer because

580
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: they have blood and crypts, but our dated bloods. And

581
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: it was so I learned so many lessons, which will

582
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: have you come back to talk about that, because I

583
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: want people to know the lessons that I learned from

584
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: being in that environment. But when you got in the mix,

585
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: it just changed, like my whole outlook, you know, on

586
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: what it meant, what a GI meant, what it looked like,

587
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: how Jeez pushed the line differently. You know how the

588
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: respect came in. So let's talk about let's get into

589
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Now you're in Oklahoma City, E T brought to Oklahoma City.

590
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: You're making the money. Stuff is looking good, everything is rolling.

591
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: Let's fast forward up to I remember calling you after

592
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: some people got time, and you reminded me of this story.

593
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna bring you back to talk about how

594
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: you and I met in a very you know, not

595
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: how we met, but how you influenced me. I'll give

596
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: people a little bit of that, but I want you

597
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: to talk about before I tell the story on how

598
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: when I last saw you and then when I could

599
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: reconnected with you in prison. But talk a little bit

600
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: about you know, you got out of town, you start

601
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: making the money, the money was flowing. How did the

602
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: fans start building their case against you? One thing about

603
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: fa When it comes, you know you, you know you,

604
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: you know you're round, Your run is over. She might

605
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: as well get ready to accept to sign they going

606
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: to give you. And by then n N ninety seven

607
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: the numbers got Remember he used word enormous. Now they

608
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: just got stupid. An example, like what within the three

609
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: month time, I'm making two profited and I'm lying back

610
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: from l A, sending people back out here, going back,

611
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: just going and going. Then all of a sudden, ninety

612
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: seven it was a bad dropt where nobody could get anything,

613
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: but E T has somebody that can still get it.

614
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: So basically for the summer ninety seven it was just uh,

615
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: but I really ask that drop whatever they know Jet drop,

616
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: if there's he got on a lot of people in

617
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: Okhma City. Now I'm hearing this. You know, dudes on

618
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: the east side, killer weasel, it's all theoroh cases. We

619
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: were all together one time, so it's not like I'm

620
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: telling nothing new. You know what I'm saying. They started

621
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: getting hit. So now Et who was on the run

622
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: from that, Yeah, already he was supposed to be staying low,

623
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: but you know, wasn't nothing low about Et. So the

624
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, he ended up going in. He

625
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: calls me and said, hey, man, they're asking about you.

626
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: Do they know anything? Like they're asking about you? That's

627
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: set up year that knuckle here, I said to slam

628
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: it down. So now I slam it down because I'm like,

629
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: back up You're gonna give me my credit because I

630
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: called you to I was gonna get you get I

631
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: had three warnings and yours was the third. Okay, hold on,

632
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: so let's back up. So was the first warner, right

633
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: each he was the first. Did another plot of mine

634
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: said hey, man, you need to slam it. Damn. His

635
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: name is Country. He said, Man, Country Kevin. You know,

636
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: he said, I'm hearing things about your name, man, about

637
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: people that's already in there. So now I'm spooking. But

638
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: when you hit me out of nowhere, Hey, how you doing, dude?

639
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: I was missing When Timmy he knocked up and he

640
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: asked about you, I'm like, okay, all right, good looking.

641
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: How I appreciate that I ain't worrying about it ain't nothing.

642
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: He scared the mess out of me. Man, you know

643
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm like, oh no, it's stamped for real.

644
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: So I'm like, if I ain't doing nothing, they can't

645
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: get me, not knowing that they already had the case

646
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: against case was already started in February where they said

647
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: I served I sold in the mother of February. I

648
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: so sixteen point five kiloads of crack in that month,

649
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: and I didn't know anything about it until the FBI came.

650
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: But when they gave me miss me, just so happened.

651
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: I picked my assuming. They was following me. They know

652
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: I would pick up my assuming and take him back home,

653
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: but this instant, I picked up my son and I

654
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: took him to his mother's grandmother's house. And then when

655
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: I was heading back, somebody in my neighborhood flagged me

656
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: down and saving minute the police on in front of

657
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: your house. I'm like, all right, thank I muster you.

658
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: Went to the bank where I had some safety safety

659
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: deposit box had bags, and then I took what I

660
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: needed up out of there and I jumped on the road.

661
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: I went to tuls and called Frank saving come get me.

662
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: He said, what's wrong with saying, man the fist it's

663
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: over with it? And he said, what you mean, come

664
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: get you? I ain't coming to get you. I said, no, man,

665
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: I'm in Tulsa. Man, I got to get out of here.

666
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: He came to Tulsa, got me, and then they have

667
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: other party. Killer Dade sat out to kill the Dade

668
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: homie I used to get Just at the point I

669
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: gotta make sure we get home is respect because if

670
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: not they're gonna be They're gonna be working with me

671
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: after day. So shout out to killer Dave. Let's Paul,

672
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: shout out to kill a Dave, just so at the

673
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: fast straight. That's it. I used to just as a point,

674
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: I used to work at Brahms. Always tell this story

675
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: and I will run over to the home and kill

676
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: the day's house across the street. My mama made me

677
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: quit that job because I stayed at the Homie South

678
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: and it was always at Killer Day. I just like

679
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: being around at home as it is what it is.

680
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: So these are the stories that I just tell people

681
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: because you know, it's really important to me that people

682
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just talking about game culture just you know,

683
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: says some damn give me. These are really my friends.

684
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: So my mom made me quit the job, but shout

685
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: out to kill the day. We gotta give that. Pulse's

686
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: now in Atlanta doing great things, wonderful things, promoting also

687
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: with Frank. We keep saying Frank. I want people to

688
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: know that Frank has absolutely changed his life around. Now.

689
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: He has a football team, he manages kids in Kansas,

690
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: working a regular nine of fig I am so proud

691
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: of Frank and will have an opportunity to talk about

692
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: him more. But I wanted to give that quick plug too,

693
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: because a lot of people want to know how do

694
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: these people end up? So so go ahead. So anyway,

695
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: and you killer was killing what he was always about

696
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: a dollar, But he's gonna be quick the bust his

697
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: gun and I'm not killing. Don't give him no time now,

698
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: don't tell too much on aboy digging up old case.

699
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: You don't mess with that man. So now I'm supposed

700
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: to be low key on the run from NPI, but

701
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to the clubs and I'm hanging out on

702
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: the clubs and we're coming out of the clubs and

703
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: parking lot and I mean to shootouts and I'm like

704
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: a person just on the run from FNB. I don't

705
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing this. Killers scared me so much,

706
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I'm going to term myself.

707
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna get this time out the way because I

708
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: watched her stressed. E t I he want clarity I

709
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: made him when he was running from the fash. Yeah. So,

710
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: and I mean, let's just right there, just so my

711
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: listeners that that was a lot. I was a cheerleader

712
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: in school around, but bad boys who was running from

713
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: the fens. I was cheering at the daytime and at

714
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: that time I was with the homies from California was

715
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: running from the facet. But we're talking about that another time. Okay,

716
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: so go ahead. So you watched that. You watched that.

717
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: It's stress. Um, so you said, okay, bucket watch stressed

718
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: my homie and this and this. We've been together too long.

719
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: We didn't done too much together. And I and watch

720
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: how I did it. I was like, I can't live

721
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: like that again. My lawyer, I said, what's my charge?

722
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: He said, man, they got you on distribution and like distribution. No,

723
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: they had to catch me selling itself. The distribution, he said,

724
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: that's just a force. When he comes back, she's gonna

725
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: get you with a conspiracy. So I'm like a conspiracy.

726
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: I said, I'm ready to turn myself in and let's

727
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: deal with it. He said, okay, come on, I said,

728
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: shouldn seven And wait a minute? Who took you in?

729
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: Who took you? When you surrender? I don't think you're

730
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: going me to walk you through it over. But that

731
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: part we got to because I don't want to hear

732
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: Frank's now Frank is the one to get to my

733
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: lawyer's house. I did. I didn't want you to walk

734
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: through that part, but I want to make sure because

735
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: Frank reminds me, he the one you call when you

736
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: talk to me. Come with me. Frank took me to

737
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: the attorney's office, gave me a hug. He said, man,

738
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: you show you want to do this. I said, yeah, Man,

739
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you. He said, man, you've been to

740
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: get a gang of time. I said, it's whatever. So

741
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: I turned myself in the lady names that she made.

742
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: She's retired now. She was the a U say assist

743
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: the United States Attorney. She walked in. You know me,

744
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm on my games straight up. I got the gangster

745
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: mug on, no fear. Ain't showing you nothing but inside

746
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm trimming like She came in off and said, what's up?

747
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: Spuck sputty beat and I'm looking at him like, who's you?

748
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: She said, I'm warning this's gonna change your life, either

749
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: for the good or for the worst. What I said, man,

750
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't have nothing to say. She said, okay,

751
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: but checked this out because you don't really understand how

752
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: this work. From I'm gonna bring it down to you.

753
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: Dam gonna let you going back up to the county,

754
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: that you sit up there about the month that you

755
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: hear about my get down, and then we're gonna talk again.

756
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: She said, you number one, You can plee out to

757
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: the charges did I give you with cooperation, and I

758
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: can have you back at home telling snitching. You can

759
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: be plea out with cooperation and I can have you

760
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: back home with Lestie and pretty Davin and pretty Denver.

761
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: And I'm looking like, how this woman know my kids name?

762
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: You know? I'm like what? So now I'm like getting

763
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: real nervous, so I'm trying not to pidgeon. I still

764
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: got the mug on. I'm like, we're cooperation. But I said,

765
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: what's the next? She said, you can plee out without

766
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: co operation and hope that they had a good night

767
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: before the night before you're sittings in here, and hope,

768
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: but I hope my man treated me real good. So

769
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: I can be in a good mood because you're gonna

770
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: get whatever I want to give you. Or you can

771
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: take me to Troy. And if you take me to Troyn,

772
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: when you come on Denver, be close to thirty. Devin

773
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: had been about thirty four, and she know my my

774
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: son's ages. So now I'm doing the math Denver's two

775
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: and Devon's five. I said, Lord, that's that's out the question.

776
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: But I had money. So when you have money, you

777
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: stick your chicks. I'm like, get me damn near Johnny

778
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: Cochrane out here, and we're gonna fight this because you

779
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: only getting on me. You ain't got no pictures, you

780
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: ain't got no mark us. This was just this. This

781
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: is the result of the ninety four crime bill that

782
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: was about just conspiracy. As long as you have somebody

783
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: on the stand and say yea he did. He's so

784
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: older to me. He had a gun. That's where time

785
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: came in. You have to have three or more, so

786
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't. At this time. I'm like, man, okay, she's

787
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: going back up there. And now I go to the

788
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: county and I see Killer and Mark Dog and the

789
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: who was and L held Orlando. Get shout out to L,

790
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: my homie I talked about him. Mother just got to

791
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: give a shout out to L. My home els another

792
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: my crip homie that looked out for me, looked out

793
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: for my mom. When the house is broken into, the

794
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: one for L and you, I wouldn't have had an

795
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: opportunity to move outside of Oklahoma City. I just want

796
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: to get that shout out. Okay, go ahead. So you're

797
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: looking at l looking at everybody in the county. So

798
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: once I got to the county, and I've seen everybody

799
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: in there already do so it was getting city money

800
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: in the city. I was like, Lord Emerce and everybody

801
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: telling me you had to tell but I'm telling you

802
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: better tell me when you're gonna get out of the city.

803
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: And took it out of me. Your country asked niggas man,

804
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: ain't no telling from where I'm from what you mean

805
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm coming to take money that I think about it

806
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: never never, it's an absolute, So I won't see that.

807
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: I'll say not at first. But when they because everybody

808
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: think about it, I mean, let's keep it real. Every

809
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: everybody think about it. I don't mean you'll do it,

810
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: but it ran across your mind. Yeah, that's what. That's

811
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: what I'm saying when when're telling about distribute, because they

812
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: had me with distribute, ain't no distribution. Ain't caught me

813
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: doing nothing. I was too smooth for that. So when

814
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: they changed the charge to conspiracy to distribute sixteen point

815
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: five kilos are crrect. Now I'm looking at like see

816
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: now you you're like, okay, hold up. So now the

817
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: lady tell me after the month time what you want

818
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: to do. So, man, I think I wanna go to trail.

819
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: She said, you're sure, and I'm like, yeah, I think

820
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go to trail because you have to

821
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: make through boost prove that, because I ain't never done nothing.

822
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: Fred Bertie from the East Side, Oklahoma Square. All he

823
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: did was hung with killing Weasel. The day he came

824
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: back from trying crying. They gave him thirty years, even

825
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: though Killing Weasel, who was the money, told him he

826
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: didn't have nothing to do with it. He was just

827
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: riding with him, and he told me, Sis, but man,

828
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: you don't want to go to trail and and get

829
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: that I've got thirty years. So the story show I

830
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: went on seeing no track, I'll play it out to

831
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: conspiracy to distribute sixteen point probably kilo's correct, and he

832
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: gave me seventeen and the hackys and and just to

833
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: kind of jump in here for a second, you're actually

834
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: working on a short story just for folks, because again

835
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: there's so much information and I know we have about

836
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: thirty minutes left, but there's so much information I want

837
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: people to know. We are are you are? You are

838
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: writing something now that goes into a little bit of

839
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: depth on you know, the telling process and what that

840
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: is and the interrogation, because a lot of people see

841
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: first forty eight and they think that's how it works

842
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: on the federal side, and it's not. So just for

843
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: the listeners, keep staying plugged in right here, I'm gonna

844
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: bring Spoilt back just to talk about the telling process.

845
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm rushing in through the story for time purposes, but

846
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: there's still a lot more um that I want you

847
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: to get into it a later time. So basically, let's

848
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: let's bump up to you go ahead. You don't tell,

849
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: you keep a gatts, so all the way through you

850
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: feel like, hey, I got my time. It is what

851
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: it is. You plea out without telling. You're thinking that

852
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: you're probably going to get maybe about ten years or

853
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: so fourteen years. Walk me through the day, you know, quickly,

854
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: on when you thought you were getting fourteen and how

855
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: they changed and what happened when you went to the

856
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: sale on the first day of getting that time. Because

857
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: I want to go there. Then I want to talk

858
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: about how you started writing books and close it up.

859
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: When I went to send you already said PS. I

860
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: came back pretty since investigation for your first time. Now

861
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: about the defender. You're gonna get fourth. They tell it

862
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: to you. In months, you're gonna get a hundred and

863
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: sixty eight months. That's four teen years. You do about

864
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: eleven and a half twelve you come home. Sorry, all right, okay,

865
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I can do that. I can do that. Give my

866
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: mind right, keep my body right its own. By the

867
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: end of that sentence, my head was spinning because my

868
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: numbers changed seventeen and a half years because they brought

869
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: a guy out another snech to get understand and say,

870
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: every time I sold the mkeelo cocaine, I had a gun,

871
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: so I gave me a two point of hands and

872
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: then changed the whole game. I get seventeen and a

873
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: half years and lead a court room with my head spinning,

874
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: and I just knew that night and best I got

875
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: to do something before I come up bout it. I

876
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: got to do something in my mind right. So when

877
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: I went to my first federal prison, which was Alreno, Oklahoma,

878
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: I was like still wild, and I reverted back to

879
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: my old gne banging days and was just angry, and

880
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take it out of anybody I could.

881
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: So when I got to old Deal, I was Louisiana,

882
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: another f CI. I still had that mindset, but I

883
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta do something else. And I got

884
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: in some trouble when I went to the Shoe and

885
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: I read all the books I could read, and then

886
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,959
Speaker 1: my mother just told me, you need to write a book.

887
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: Write a book. So I started playing with it and

888
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: started writing, letting dudes and the Shoe read my work,

889
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: and he was liking it. Man, I had everybody beating

890
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: off me. Said that pumped me up. So I just

891
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: kept on right. I'm never going to school with it.

892
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: I never had, you know, I graduated from high school

893
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: and everybody always said I was a smart guy. So

894
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: I was putting it together. And finally by the time

895
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: I got out of shoot when I plot his name

896
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: and tron Smith from Louisiana. Shout out to Trono because

897
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: he sent my book out to Terry Woods to let

898
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: her check it out. He paid for it to have

899
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: it done because I didn't have the money at the time.

900
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: All the money was gone now and then bumped up

901
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: to two thousand and five. I was in three f

902
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: C I three rivers, and I get a letter from

903
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: Terry Woods and called me collect I've read your work.

904
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: I like it. I want to do some business with you.

905
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: And I was to the sale with my homewas food

906
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: from Bahana and we just was like, whoa. We both

907
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: he crying for me and I'm crapped. We couldn't wait

908
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: for the weekend so I can go, um the weekend

909
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: in the past, so I can call my council. So

910
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: still speeding it up. I get the deal with Terry

911
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: Terry Woods, she said she bought two of my books

912
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: with twenty five thou hollars. So I'm like, whoa, And

913
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, keep dealing with me. So then I

914
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: go to two thousand and seven. I mean another friend

915
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: of mine named Jimmy the st He's a good author

916
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: out of Philadelphia. He turned me onto a lady named

917
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: Kim Mitchell, and she took my book and she put

918
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: my first book out of California, Love, and that was

919
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: two thousand nine. But then her company went defunctors. She

920
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: went to go work for Carl Webber and called where

921
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: she told car Webber about me and then he looked

922
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 1: me up with a deal and that's how the book

923
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: then came about. And so the book thing is, let's

924
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: be clear, car Webber owner of Urban Books, one of

925
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: the largest, are the largest black book distributor. So you

926
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: got your first book, you put it out and Walmart.

927
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: You are so humble. So I had to interject and

928
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: say this. Your books are available everywhere wal Mart, Barnes

929
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: and Noble all over the country. You have a total

930
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: of how many titles number fifteen to be up sometimes

931
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: this year they haven't got the day yet. And to

932
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: touch on this because this is important that we get

933
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: in this and this time we talked a little bit

934
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: about You did an interview with Court TV on prison

935
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: literacy and as you were writing books, you had an

936
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: opportunity to see how many people in in the penitentiary

937
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: could not read, but yet they had an interest in

938
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: your book. Tell us a little bit about that, because

939
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: when I bring you back, I want to connect that

940
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: dot on how you were able to help men in

941
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: prison and uh, the importance of people knowing prison literacy

942
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: is real, and how we have to make sure that

943
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: people can read, so then they when they get out,

944
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: they can get job applications and feel out job application

945
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: and so forth. To talk a little bit about how

946
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: your books were able to help other inmates and other

947
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: homies because of their interests in your content, well, you know,

948
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: and in the federal prisons, everybody got the circle and

949
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: something deal outside a little bit. Most of you keep

950
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: it within. And I just happened to notice a couple

951
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: of homies within our circle on certain of the things

952
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: they would do. It just trip me out a little bit.

953
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: And then I was like, pull one of the homies

954
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: to the side and I'm like, you want to read

955
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: my book? He's like, oh, yeah, I want to check

956
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: it out and said yeah, you see the shout out

957
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: to the homies, right He's like yeah, yeah, you just

958
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: he looking at the book. But you can tell him

959
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: he ain't read nothing. Somebody checks out on just between

960
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: me and you, do you want to read? And he

961
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: looked that. I said, I ain't gonna say nothing nobody

962
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: on just me and you. He's like, nah, I said

963
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: what you were thinking, Like, you don't want to read?

964
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: You know what? Need getting the tickets and all that.

965
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, man's just certain things I can pick

966
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: up on but I can't, and so just come kick

967
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: it with me. Every now we seeing it like Rea

968
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: chasing it up, and I'm gonna teach you how to read.

969
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna read this whole book on your own by

970
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: time we're doing so. Once I've seen now, it kind

971
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: of hit me like, man, I wonder how many more

972
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: dudes like this I can't read? So I went down

973
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: to the library and asked one of them a c.

974
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: Teachers cannot teach a class room. You don't write a

975
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: book book right, Since I'm a publish actor, I'm like

976
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: a star in there now. You know, everybody like Spill

977
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: got books, e Spell got books out. So that's how

978
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: I started helping people. You know what I'm saying my

979
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: class when I used to just say straight up name

980
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: if y'all have a problem read, Yeah, this is everything

981
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: going here, staying here. We're gonna try to learn frohim

982
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: everything I can, and I'm gonna give you a little

983
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: ti of this I've learned around the way. And that

984
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: started off with that, and then you started teaching classes

985
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: in prison um or you had an opportunity not just

986
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: to teach people to read, but how to teach them

987
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: how to write books given the beginning phases of it.

988
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: And I remember you writing me and talking to me about,

989
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, being frustrated and try to get people to

990
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: get it and try to you know, but but feeling

991
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: that reward at the end, you know, when you had

992
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: a student they finally got it. Which is why I'm

993
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: always so excited when i can get home to pay

994
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: attention to what I'm doing in politics, because it's so

995
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: rewarding when you can, you know, show somebody about politics.

996
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: During your time, you know, we went back and forth

997
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: a lot about you know, I would come see you

998
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: from Orlando when you were doing time in Beaumont, and

999
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: you at that time you didn't understand my love for politics,

1000
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: and I remember you asked me, why do you love

1001
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: these complete strangers. They're not gonna ride with You're not

1002
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: gonna be It never really clicked to you, And there

1003
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: was a lot of resentment that you had, you know,

1004
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: because you believe at that time, you know, during President

1005
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: Obama's presidency, that the crack cocaine law would be reduced

1006
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: and you would have an opportunity to get out. And

1007
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: we only have a few minutes left but because we'll

1008
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: pick this up in another series, you know, to go

1009
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: deeper in debt. But it was important that everybody know

1010
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: new your background. But I remember you having a lot

1011
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: of frustration and anger because you felt like the government

1012
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: let you down twice because there was a hope that

1013
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: you had in Obama. And now that you've had an

1014
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: opportunity to kind of be more in my space, you understand,

1015
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, the importance of you know, controlling the Congress

1016
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 1: and having all the control to be able to really

1017
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, push the line and get things done. But

1018
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about how you remember we saw

1019
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: politics and it wasn't easy because you'd be like, I

1020
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: don't want to hear that ship. Fuck that don't mean

1021
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: nothing mean. And you've now you've turned into like a

1022
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: kind of lightweight political pundit. So I want to as

1023
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: we close up, I want to talk about your transition

1024
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: from saying fun politics and everything with it too. Now

1025
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: you're seeing how influential you can be there in California.

1026
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: Would now that people are coming up to you asking,

1027
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, what's what's up with this, what's the electoral college,

1028
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: what's Trump gonna do, what's Biden gonna do, and you

1029
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: don't straight and turn into a political pundit like be

1030
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: arguing with everything and I just sit back. Just please

1031
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: the same way you were pleased. And how I carry

1032
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: myself in certain situations back in the night is I'll

1033
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: never forget how you looked at me on one particular night.

1034
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: Were wonta get into the details, but one particular night

1035
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: I stood up like a real g I'm gonna get

1036
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: that credit, and I remember your facebood, I'm telling you,

1037
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: I remember the chair you were sitting there, and I

1038
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: remember you staring at me and smiling and shaking your

1039
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: head like I can't believe because you would always say

1040
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: you carry yourself like a home girl, that we raised

1041
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: up in this and you knew you didn't technically, you know,

1042
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: you met me when I was a teenager with technically

1043
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: for all points, you know, just for clarity, you kind

1044
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: of was still raising because Maymber, I'm a teenager. But

1045
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: it tripped you out high and carry myself on this

1046
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: one particular night because in your mind you didn't think

1047
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: I had the official training, but it was instinct to me.

1048
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: So the night that you looked at me like okay,

1049
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: she okay, she handled herself like a real g. When

1050
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: I see you in politics now, like literally getting into

1051
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: heavy debates about policy and all that, that's how I

1052
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: sit and I look at you. I sit back and say, Wow,

1053
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: this has been ten years of you and I arguing

1054
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: from two thousand and ten to now arguing about politics,

1055
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: trying to let you know where you where your places,

1056
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: and this letting you know that you have a position

1057
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: in this, explaining to you how it's just like Inglewood family,

1058
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: how politics organization structures just like the o gs and

1059
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: the b gs and the y js, and you know

1060
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: how the sets are set up is just like districts,

1061
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: and how bolts are set up in Democrats are like

1062
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: cripts and Republicans are like bluffs. And you have taken

1063
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: that game in the ten years. Even though you were

1064
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: acting like you wasn't listening, Apparently you were. And now

1065
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: you get it and you I want to say this,

1066
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: you bring me so much hope. I wanted people to

1067
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: really I didn't want to rush through this because I

1068
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: want to bring series of you one, but I wanted

1069
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: people to hear from the person that inspires me to

1070
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: go hard the way I do, especially when we talk

1071
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: about the ninety four crime bill, prison reform, and all

1072
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: of those things. Because my passion is attached to a

1073
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: real friend, you know, attached to a real person, and

1074
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: not just you, my cousins, my family, all of the

1075
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: homies that we mentioned it, it's attached to a real person.

1076
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: And so now to see what you've evolved to mentoring kids,

1077
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: and you have two books that come out every year,

1078
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: You're working on a short film. I'm so very proud

1079
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: of you. I know e t is so proud of you.

1080
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: Rest In Pecs always said, man, just keep pushing your books.

1081
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: And there's so many other homies that you lost. I

1082
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: think you share with me at one time, twenty thirty

1083
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: homies while you were locked up. There's so many things

1084
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: I want to talk about from the mental side, you know,

1085
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: which is something you know that I've been working on

1086
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: mental mental health for the homies. There's so much that

1087
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: I want people to know what I witnessed during that time,

1088
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: during time, some of your time with you have you

1089
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: changed my life and it hasn't been for you and

1090
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: l giving me the money to go to Dallas when

1091
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: I decided to go. It wasn't my daddy. My daddy

1092
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: didn't have it. My mama didn't have it. I came

1093
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: to you, and if you hadn't given me the money

1094
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: to start my life over in Dallas, Texas, I don't

1095
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: know if I would be doing the things that I'm

1096
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: doing now. Nobody had it to give. You had it

1097
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: to give, You gave it to me. And I'll never

1098
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: forget that day when you gave me the money. You

1099
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: gave me the cash and I said, Spud, I can't

1100
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: believe you're really giving me this. And you said, go

1101
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: do something with yourself. And I said, and you asked me.

1102
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: I said, you don't want nothing from me? And you

1103
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: said no. And then you said before you walked out

1104
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: the door, you said, are you gonna come see me

1105
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: if I get locked up? And I said, of course,

1106
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: I'll come see you. I said, why would you say that?

1107
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: You said, because either I'm gonna be dead or I'm

1108
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: gonna be locked up. It ain't no other way to go.

1109
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: And then when you asked me to come see you,

1110
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: I said yes. And we lost contact because Frank. I

1111
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: lost contact with Frank, who was my connection to you,

1112
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: because I didn't know you by Clifford. I knew you

1113
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: by Spud. But we reconnected back in two thousand and ten,

1114
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: and I came to see you that year to keep

1115
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: my promise because I said I would always come see you,

1116
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: and that interaction with us back and forth, you know,

1117
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: doing time and me really having an understanding had it

1118
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: not been for you allowing me inside those walls with

1119
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: you to know the mental that goes on not just

1120
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: for you, but even people that you did time would

1121
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: remember I connected with them and met with them and

1122
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: chopped it up with their women. It has truly been

1123
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: an honor, and I am humbled and grateful for you

1124
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: allowing me one for always protecting me, allowing me to

1125
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: see another side of life that I wouldn't have never

1126
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to see because my mom's side was

1127
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: church seven days a week. You are truly the foundation

1128
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: and the rock to why I do what I do.

1129
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: And I wanted people to hear your story so that

1130
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: they could know you're human and you matter too. And

1131
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: there's so many other things that I want to talk

1132
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: about as I bring you on for part two, but

1133
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: I really wanted to end it with that, and I

1134
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: wanted you to close with how you see things now

1135
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: in the political space and how you feel you you

1136
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: have some ownership in and how things can be changed

1137
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: and what that change can mean, and what that means

1138
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: to you, and what that how that affects the homies

1139
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: on the block. You know, there was a time when

1140
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: you was like Ship, I didn't get time taking off

1141
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: of me, so fuck them. But I've seen that change

1142
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: in you. I've seen you know now that your influence

1143
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: one vote at a time, you speaking up and telling people,

1144
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: giving people game and information that that truly is making

1145
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: a difference for others that you left behind. Remember we

1146
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: went back and forth about the first step back. You said,

1147
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: oh man, that's just a waste of time and any

1148
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: word time. Then you start seeing people come out, you know,

1149
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: on the first step at homies like man, this really

1150
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: made a difference. So as we close, and again I

1151
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: want people to come back for series one, two, three, four,

1152
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm definitely bringing Spoilt back because as you can see,

1153
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: there's so much information and I want several interviews to

1154
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: go on certain parts of your life. But tell me

1155
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: a little bit about how do you see saw politics

1156
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: then and how you see it now as we close,

1157
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: because our clothing will be what's the next was Spud?

1158
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: After now that you have this understanding, so tell us

1159
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: about that a little bit, spud if you don't mind, well,

1160
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: I have to give all kudos to you because you

1161
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: you pressed the line so hard on me. I had

1162
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: no choice to get interested. But I always felt that

1163
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: politicians reliars. I don't trust them, that you don't say

1164
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: whatever they say to getting office and they're gonna forget abous.

1165
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: I remember being so proud, we all standing up watching

1166
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: the t all every TV in the t room, seven

1167
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: TVs all on the president, the ranks or whatever. Then

1168
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: when they say that it's official President Obamas, with everybody

1169
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: screaming and yeah that we're excited, we're gonna go home

1170
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: because we've seen all these news things on c HC.

1171
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,959
Speaker 1: And this this this about how he was talking about

1172
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna crack and cocaine is the same. And I'm

1173
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: so brother gonna stand on his word, no limitations one

1174
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: under wonder one either once he got an office, so

1175
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: I can't do one of the one. I'm only gonna

1176
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: do tenda one, ten and one. So now everybody dropped

1177
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: because now everybody that got anything over keyed on that case.

1178
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: You're not coming on he said it was gonna be

1179
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: no bias to this, and he changed it at that time.

1180
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, see, that's why I feel the way I

1181
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: feel now. We advanced some years now after being untoilage

1182
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: from the Great Test and Big Road, and I've learned

1183
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: now the reason why his hands was tied and then

1184
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: when he can only do certain things. So that made

1185
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: me gain just a little bit more interest. I'm like, Okay,

1186
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: let me check this out. So now I'm looking at

1187
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: other avenues of this and I'm like, okay, and I'm

1188
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: seeing like the first step back man things and letting

1189
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: nobody out. They just talking close friend of mine since

1190
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 1: I was a baby rabbit. He gets out, he called,

1191
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: what's up? What you're on the step broken on the plane?

1192
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, huh something getting on the flight and his

1193
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: first stiff that brought me home. I'm like, whoa. And

1194
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: they had two three more people they got out the

1195
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: kind of first step back. So I'm like, damn, telling

1196
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: must knew what she talking about. Less pause right there

1197
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: for a second. I know we're wrapping up, but family,

1198
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: I want you to know, we argue like hell over

1199
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: the first step back. Because I was working with an

1200
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: organization called Cut fifty, which is UH an organization designed

1201
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: to cut mass incarceration in all fifty states. And I

1202
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: tried to get you involved. You did not want to

1203
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: hear that ship. I'm telling you got mad is hell.

1204
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: He was like this sh did ain't over the waste

1205
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: of time. They ain't gonna do nothing. I'm telling ain't

1206
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: number lies. I mean, you got mad for real, like

1207
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: all of the trauma, you know, seriously, all the trauma

1208
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: that you were upset about it everything Like I felt

1209
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: that I understood that and that that is what helped

1210
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: me advocate. I want people to know. And they said,

1211
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe you. Go on Fox. Fox was the

1212
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: only one that allowed me an opportunity to talk about

1213
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: the first step back. And so when I was talking,

1214
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: I don't give it a damn, but Trump pushed it.

1215
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: Oh i'mna push you up it and push it. I

1216
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: did this for people like spun. It was never about

1217
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: these politicians, these passes of anybody else. This was for

1218
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: the homies, bottom line. And when I say that, I

1219
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: mean that ship. This is not no gimmick. When I

1220
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 1: was talking about the first stetback because at that time,

1221
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: when I was pushing the first set back, you would

1222
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: straight up, you know, telling me it was a waste

1223
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: of time. And people don't understand I wasn't just arguing

1224
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: with people, you know, people who said I came to

1225
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: leave you pushing the first stetback. That's a Trump policy

1226
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: add to fight. They asked, I had to fight black

1227
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: people who I came leaving you going on Fox, and

1228
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: I gotta fight the closest people told me, you who

1229
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: actually did time that I knew the first stetback would

1230
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: help and I had to argue you. So when you

1231
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: see gold shout out, go watch that clip when I

1232
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: was pushing the first first stetback on on Fox. I

1233
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: want people to know where that passion came from. I

1234
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: really was pushing this line like by myself in my

1235
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: world because that was before Breakfast Club came in the

1236
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: mix and black people knew about me. Because a black

1237
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: people don't know about me. I've been on Fox six years.

1238
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: Black people don't wash Fox. A lot of them don't

1239
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: wash Fox, so they didn't know I was that they're

1240
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: pushing hard like this You damn show wasn't institutent. Homies

1241
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: wasn't instient, So I really felt like I was out

1242
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: there proper myself, like really pushing because I would say, spun,

1243
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: talk to the homie, you know in the organization at first,

1244
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: step back and and cut fifty. Shout out to Louis Reid.

1245
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: You know, I put you on the phone with him.

1246
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: I was like, talk to him so he can tell you,

1247
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: because he did tell you, not even that I don't

1248
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: want to hear that you. I didn't see this happen

1249
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: over and over and over. So if it really was

1250
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: personal to me, because I felt like I had to

1251
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: show that there had to be some type of change,

1252
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: not just to help the homies, but people like you

1253
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: to get inspired. And I want to be clear, kind

1254
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: of backtrack a little bit when you said I just

1255
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: want to put a pen on this, when you said

1256
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: I explained to you that his his hands were tied. Yes,

1257
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: Obama's hands were tied because he was doing it the

1258
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: unity way, the bipartisan way, the let's get everybody on boardway.

1259
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 1: If he did it the gangs the way, he could

1260
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: have did an executive order. So I want to be

1261
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: clear about that because I want when given Obama no passes.

1262
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: But I did explain to you how the process goes.

1263
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: So I wanted to put that pin in there because

1264
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: I wanted people to know the personal fight you know,

1265
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: that I had with people that I love, no support

1266
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: on any end, but knowing that the outcome I believe

1267
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: would do right. And I appreciate you for acknowledging that

1268
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: after people started doing getting out, because you didn't have

1269
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: to come back and be like, hey, the homey just

1270
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: got out of this home. You just gotta but you

1271
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Speaker 1: shared that with me, and it meant so much to me,

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Speaker 1: not for my own person ego, but because I wanted

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Speaker 1: you to see. So now you saw the first step back.

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Speaker 1: You saw how Trump get down on this game. So

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Speaker 1: I want to bring you back to talk about that

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Speaker 1: because when I talk about politicians gang bang and they'll

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Speaker 1: never understand it like you understand it because you gotta

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Speaker 1: be a gang bang and understand the culture. But now

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Speaker 1: that you see, okay, our voices kind of matter. We

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Speaker 1: can kind of push the line. How do you see

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Speaker 1: politics now? Your involvement and what you can do on

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Speaker 1: your one part to push the line and to get

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Speaker 1: more homies involved. I'm kind of proud of myself too,

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01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, because it feels good for people that was

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Speaker 1: with me in rehabilitation and whatever. They asked, questions asked,

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Speaker 1: hif asked if he know about it, he knew all

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Speaker 1: about it. He gonnaere everybody listening to him. When I

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Speaker 1: was watching the debates, and I'm telling him, look, if

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Speaker 1: they don't do this, if they come weak, gonna pounce

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Speaker 1: on them about what I'm trying to tell you. And

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Speaker 1: I'm giving him advice and I'm like, yeah, and he's

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Speaker 1: sucking it up like I got so, but I haven't

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Speaker 1: been understanding. Now I open my eyes and though I

1294
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: tend to look to look at things through tunnel vision,

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01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: I've been taught to broaden and look broad and now

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Speaker 1: I understand, and I understand. I wasn't a Trump support supporter.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't win him, but like I should tell him,

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Speaker 1: you got to respect what he's doing. This is doing right.

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Speaker 1: And while debate was going and said, look at what

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Speaker 1: he's doing. He's not talking two her argument about what

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Speaker 1: his antic because he is. They're talking about everything and

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Speaker 1: with our prisoner done with our prisoner. He's talking to

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Speaker 1: his bass. He's telling his bass, I've done this, I've

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Speaker 1: done this. I'm tried to do this, but they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: let me I said this, and what he's doing, I said,

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Speaker 1: Camel and Biden better ticking up what they're gonna make

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Speaker 1: lose his race because you see what he does, he's

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01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 1: talking to his base. They gotta talk to us, tell

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Speaker 1: us what they're gonna do, and they gotta make us

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Speaker 1: understand and feel them that they're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: do what they say. And I voted for Camel and Biden.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, they convinced me. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. This is my first time voting in twenty years,

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Speaker 1: so I felt real good. They were twenty years and

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Speaker 1: did all of that, took my picture together button. I

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Speaker 1: was proud of that. I'm finding a citizen and feel

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Speaker 1: feels like that, and uh, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: my partners, Kenny Boy, you know, hey, I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna wrap up and we're gonna get into

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Speaker 1: this later because I really want people to understand. I

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Speaker 1: did a little bit on the gainst the Chronicles podcasts,

1322
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Speaker 1: but I want people to know the people in my

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Speaker 1: life that I literally, you know, talk to when I

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Speaker 1: explain this ship in politics. You know, I talked about

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Speaker 1: a G code training and g code is for the

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Speaker 1: g s. But it's for government to explain. You know how.

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Speaker 1: People say, why are you talking at gang banging glorify

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Speaker 1: I'm not glorifying gang banging. I'm telling you that politics

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Speaker 1: is gangbanging, literally, And you and I have so many conversations.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, the electoral college is like ingle Wood family.

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Speaker 1: You know how the big homes do. This is that,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you soak it up. And it's not

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Speaker 1: that you can't understand it the other way because for contrary, properly,

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Speaker 1: you're the most intelligent men that I've ever met in

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Speaker 1: my life period. Not too many men could figure out

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Speaker 1: how to make a hundred racks a week. So that's enough.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want squares to understand right after Gate,

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Speaker 1: before you try to judge people and get get in

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Speaker 1: somebody's mind and understand the intelligence that's that's they're, the stealth,

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Speaker 1: that's they're more importantly, the heart that's there, the heart

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Speaker 1: that it takes to push the line. You know, the

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Speaker 1: heart that I've seen that you had, that Et had.

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Speaker 1: I want to bring you back and talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I want people to know how gangster Et was, how

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Speaker 1: he's been shot eleven times and lived through it all,

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Speaker 1: and when he did pass, it was his own decision,

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Speaker 1: and he stood up like a g and made that

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Speaker 1: decision and didn't shed a tear. I want people to

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Speaker 1: know that. I want people to know your story. I

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Speaker 1: want to know everything that you've been through, all of

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Speaker 1: the physical suffering that you've been through, the rehab that

1352
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Speaker 1: you've been in the last couple of years, how you

1353
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Speaker 1: kept pushing the line, having the heart. That's the type

1354
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Speaker 1: of heart that I want to see in politics. And

1355
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Speaker 1: I know you have it, and I know you can

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Speaker 1: do it, and I believe in you. Not just believe

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Speaker 1: in you, I love you. And these are a series

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Speaker 1: of interviews but that I want people to really get

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Speaker 1: involved with because if there's nothing else that I do,

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Speaker 1: I want to please the creator and know that I

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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to touch the lease of these. I

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Speaker 1: don't give a damn. And you know me better than

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Speaker 1: anybody you know. I don't give a damn about impressing

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Speaker 1: no politician. But when the homie, when the big McKenny

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Speaker 1: boy called me and say I saw you on Fox

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Speaker 1: you push the line you did, Joe ship Man, that

1367
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Speaker 1: means something when and so people does get some clarity.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the founder and Crunchhaw Mafia, one of

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Speaker 1: the founders. We're talking about men that in the fifties

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Speaker 1: and sixties, they don't they don't lay down, they're not

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Speaker 1: on the front line. They're doing something else. When they

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Speaker 1: called me and say explain this to me and break

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Speaker 1: this down to me, man, that means so much to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't give a damn bad wood. And that's how

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Speaker 1: I've been able to survive in this, stay strong in

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01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: this and push the line because you taught me to

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Speaker 1: keep my head, my head held high, and the never

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Speaker 1: waver and never back down and believe in what I

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Speaker 1: believe in. And that's what keeps me strong, not just

1380
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Speaker 1: in politics and on TV, but in these comments when

1381
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Speaker 1: I gotta deal with these lanes and decisions that I've

1382
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Speaker 1: had to make, opportunities that I've had to turn down.

1383
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Speaker 1: You've always been right there saying you gotta keep pushing

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Speaker 1: the line. You always about the long play, whether you

1385
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: know about politics or not. You've given me so much gangster,

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Speaker 1: so much insight, so much of the standing how to

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Speaker 1: be real and to feel and never be weak. And

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Speaker 1: I'm and I and that has meant a lot to me,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's authentic, it's official, and I want to

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01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: give you that credit and your flowers right now while

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Speaker 1: you're living. So I do want to thank you, you know,

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Speaker 1: for coming on the day and then closing, I'm gonna

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01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: let you get the last word and then and pardon me,

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Speaker 1: straight shooters, This interview is a little bit longer than normal,

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Speaker 1: but I just could not bypass this quickly because I

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Speaker 1: wanted you to know who's been one of the most

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Speaker 1: influential people in my life the last twenty seven years

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Speaker 1: and why I'm the gangster that I am in politics,

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Speaker 1: And it really does start with this man um him

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Speaker 1: and et and so many others. He thinks he put

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Speaker 1: me on, but I keep trying to explain this for you.

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Speaker 1: Ain't the first gangster I meet that I don't sleep

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Speaker 1: on my cousins, but you know it, I did get

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Speaker 1: a more of an intimate experience, you know, from being

1405
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, right in the mix. I'm gonna let you

1406
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: get the final words, honey, and just give the people

1407
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: you know what you want them to know. And then

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Speaker 1: before we get out of here, I do want people

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Speaker 1: bestselling Arthur. We are going to spend more time on

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Speaker 1: that so that people can know how do you keep pushing?

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Speaker 1: How do you keep how do you write when you

1415
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Speaker 1: got nothing before? Walls you know beside you to motivate you.

1416
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: There's so many different layers to your story that I

1417
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: want people to know. But for now, I'm gonna let

1418
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: you close up on where you see yourself you know,

1419
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Speaker 1: going next and how you you know you're owning your space,

1420
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Speaker 1: and then we'll get out of here and bring you

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Speaker 1: back for another interview apart two of more of Clipper

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Speaker 1: Spud Johnson. All right, well, you know, first of all,

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Speaker 1: again i'd like to thank you d R putting me

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Speaker 1: on your stage. See yo, look, I'm sorry. D R

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Speaker 1: is my nick that's my name, my set name, y'all

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Speaker 1: for center Part Dark Red. But but go literally T

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Speaker 1: gave me that. Seriously, I want to thank you again

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Speaker 1: for that me, you know, speak and share a little

1429
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: bit about my story and just listen to you how

1430
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Speaker 1: you broke down so many different festives of my life

1431
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Speaker 1: made me look like that. That could be a serious hunt.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I have a lot of things in

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Speaker 1: the work right now. I just turned in my fifteen books,

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Speaker 1: Stolen Moments. It'll be out sometime this year. I haven't

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Speaker 1: got the date from my publisher yet. I'm I mean

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Speaker 1: it mstry working on a short fifteen to thirty minute

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Speaker 1: short them untitled. It's gonna be formed around interrogating and

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Speaker 1: snitches and how the federal prosecutors and a b I

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Speaker 1: get the majority that people to tell and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be real deep. And then just continue to write my

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Speaker 1: books and continue to learn. As long as I got

1442
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Speaker 1: I got tell I know, every day I'm gonna learned something.

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Speaker 1: She changed to read an article about my craft. Learned

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Speaker 1: my craft. I mean, every day it's a lesson one

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: way or another. I'm gonna get a lesson about something

1446
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Speaker 1: he been. If I said no, I want to do

1447
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: to say no, listen, listen, I want to and I

1448
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Speaker 1: want to put that let's let's you know, you say,

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Speaker 1: as long as you got, Tesla, You know, I always

1450
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: tell you things that you know. I always say, you

1451
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: don't like me talking like this because you've lost so

1452
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: many people, But always say what what would you do

1453
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: if I'm not here? So so it's not about as

1454
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: long as you got me. I try to teach you

1455
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Speaker 1: how to find information for yourself, how to resource to yourself.

1456
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: So I want to be clear and that that's important

1457
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: because politicians play that game. They want you to be

1458
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: depending upon them for knowledge. So that's why I want

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Speaker 1: to put that pen in there, because I try to

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Speaker 1: teach people not just get the game from me, but

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Speaker 1: how to get it from yourself. You know, I'm quick

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Speaker 1: to you send me a question, I'd be like, did

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Speaker 1: you google it? Did you look it up? I'm not

1464
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: gonna answer until we get to that point. So people

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Speaker 1: need to know that leaders out there that's giving this

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Speaker 1: game if they want you to be completely depending upon them.

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Speaker 1: That's why they've been able to get the pimp game

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Speaker 1: on us. So it's all about learning. I appreciate the

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Speaker 1: humble and I appreciate the trust, but I do want

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Speaker 1: people to be prepared in case I'm I'm not here,

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Speaker 1: So I do appreciate you saying that though. And seven

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Speaker 1: it's from the heart, and I know what I've meant

1473
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Speaker 1: to you and you know what you meant to me.

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Speaker 1: But on the deepest stage, on the deeper level, what

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Speaker 1: I have goals. I have goals and standing up because

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Speaker 1: right now I can't I stand up compare to leave

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Speaker 1: you from the mid thigh down, and that's one of

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Speaker 1: my goals that I can't I continue to do. One

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Speaker 1: day I'm standing back up and be able to stand

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Speaker 1: and walk to you because when my incident happened, when

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Speaker 1: I opened my eyes, the first person I saw with you.

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Speaker 1: You always have my back. I'm always have yours. The

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Speaker 1: team don't always have your back because you know we

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Speaker 1: love us and d R. So if you have me back,

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Speaker 1: I'll be mourning, grateful and thank you for the sign,

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Speaker 1: do you man? I appreciate that I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the injury. I'd ensure if you want to

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Speaker 1: go into that, but if you're down to talk about that,

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Speaker 1: I want to bring you back to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your transparency and your story because yes, you

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Speaker 1: were paralyzed two years ago and it has absolutely changed

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Speaker 1: your life and it most certainly has changed mind, not

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Speaker 1: just being there during that time, but every single day.

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Speaker 1: And I want people to know and and again we're

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Speaker 1: gonna roll out mental health for the homies. Because that's

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Speaker 1: a hell of a story. We could write a book

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Speaker 1: on that just alone, just everything that comes with that.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I've experienced so much by my connection

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Speaker 1: with you, and I want to get into that because

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Speaker 1: that that's gonna help some people for real. So thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for giving me this time to roll

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Speaker 1: your story out. I wanted to introduce you the right way.

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01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: I wanted to kick you off with season two. You're

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01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 1: supposed to come to season one, but stuff got so

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01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: busy with politics, so I wanted this to be the

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01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: first interview. People been asking what's up, what's up? What's up?

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Speaker 1: With another interview coming out? And I wanted you to

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Speaker 1: be introduced the right way. If guys, if you don't

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01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: get no book, get at least a book that I'm

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01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: dedicated to. The dedicated the book to me, and that's

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Speaker 1: what what's the name of it again, so they can

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Speaker 1: get my book and that talks about a female name

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Speaker 1: special and I'm special, to tell y'all straight up, So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna lee, I'm gonna give myself some credit. Sh It,

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01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: ain't nobody in this game, on both sides of this

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Speaker 1: game like this. But thank you, honey, Thank you for

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01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: coming in again. You can find him at Clifford spud

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Speaker 1: Johnson dot com. Please go look it up, learn more

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Speaker 1: about him, write a review, send some love, rate share

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Speaker 1: this interview. If it doesn't help you, I guarantee it's

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Speaker 1: gonna help somebody. This is one of the many reasons

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Speaker 1: why I do what I do. This is why I

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Speaker 1: push the line. This is why I am a straight shooter.

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Speaker 1: This is why the name of the show is straight Shot,

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Speaker 1: no Chaser. Again, we're kicking off season two. Go back

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01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,719
Speaker 1: bench on season one. Listen to the interviews. They're timeless.

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Speaker 1: It never changes because the game never changes. Is always

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01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: the same, only the players changing the game. So go

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Speaker 1: back listen to season one bench share rate review. Thank

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01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: you so much for keeping us in the top two

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Speaker 1: hundred consistently. We hope to do the same thing in

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Speaker 1: season two, and I'll also be coming in dropping game

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Speaker 1: at least once or twice a week, giving you your

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Speaker 1: daily commentary on the latest updates on politics, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be getting it in all the way through our shoutout

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Speaker 1: again to Charlemagne and God in the whole entire Black

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Speaker 1: Effect Podcast Network family for giving me this opportunity to

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Speaker 1: be myself for you, because I truly have love for

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Speaker 1: black people. Like I always say, use it, lose it,

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01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: but I can't make you choose it until then we'll

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Speaker 1: meet again. Thank you so much. If you like what

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Speaker 1: you heard on Straight Shot No Chaser, please subscribe and

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Speaker 1: drop a five star review and tell a friend. Straight

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Speaker 1: Shot No Chaser is a production of The Black Effect

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network and I Heart Radio, a Tesla and figure

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Speaker 1: Out and I'd like to thank our producer editor mixer,

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Speaker 1: the one and only Marcy Depina, our mixed Master Dwayne Crawford,

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Speaker 1: and our executive producer Charlemagne and God. For more podcast

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Speaker 1: from I Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app,

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