1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: It is Thursday, February. This is check Wise Happy Hour. 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: And now a guy who's frequently recommended for the Dunk Tank, 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: Jane peace Shad, Welcome in. It is Jaguars Happy Hour 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: on this Thursday afternoon. Busy show ahead. This was coming 5 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: up today. J Jeff Lgerman's coming up today Jaguars analysts 6 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: joins us most every Thursday. NFL scott In Combine coming 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: up next week in Indianapolis. The focus of the NFL 8 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: world will be an indie franchise tag talk the deadline 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: coming up March eight. Will the Jags make a move there? 10 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: And we'll go around the NFL. Plenty of news leading 11 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: into the Combine next week. Jeff Lagoman, Good afternoon, what's up. 12 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: That's all good man, It's good to be here scouting Combine, 13 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: right they? I guess they kind of settled their differences. 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: I guess you could say apparently there was a group 15 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: of players and their agents that did not want to 16 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: be bubbled. That was originally they were going to be 17 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: bubbled in the hotel room and only a certain few 18 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: people could be around the actual players. Well, I guess 19 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: the agent said, you know what, that's not gonna work. 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: We're just gonna boycott that. I think there was about 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty. We're gonna boycott the actual combine, 22 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: which that's that's sub sizable chunk of of talent and 23 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: UF well, and I get it. I mean, first of all, 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I mean if if look, first 25 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: of all, I'm not a big fan of all these 26 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: handlers at the players need Okay, let me just say that, 27 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: but if you're asking somebody to come there, then shouldn't 28 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: you essentially make sure that the terms are okay for them. 29 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: It's because they're not getting aid, they're not union members 30 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: while they are at the combine, and so this is 31 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: not a this is not a negotiation here. This is 32 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: because the players that are invited to the combine are 33 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: not unionized members. They're not getting paid. So all of 34 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: these things, and the whole essence of the combine is 35 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: for the clubs to gather information in one place, to 36 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: save millions of dollars by doing it in one central location, 37 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: to bring everybody there so that money doesn't have to 38 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: be spent to do it all separately or in some 39 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: other way. So you would think that they should have said, yeah, 40 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: whatever you need will be more than happy to satisfy 41 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: some of the things that you're asking for. And so 42 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad that the players got that. I mean, look, 43 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: if they want to have a nutritionists, if they want 44 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: to have a personal therapist alongside them, let them have it, 45 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: Let him have it, as long as it doesn't interfere 46 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: with what the NFL is asking them to do while 47 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: they're there. Big deal. So anyway, glad that's results. They're 48 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: still gonna have to do media, go to the podium, 49 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: meet with teams, interviews, all these things. So I don't 50 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: think I think it's a great The NFL combine has 51 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: changed so much, and it's changed so much because it 52 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: has become I mean really it's kind of become a 53 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: spectator sport. It's a prime time spectator store. Yeah, on TV. 54 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: TV made the the NFL Draft, and the information leading 55 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: up to the draft is just it's incredible. I mean, 56 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: everybody wants to be a draft nick. Everybody wants the 57 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: information on all these prospects. Everybody wants to have a 58 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: mock draft, and where's your I haven't done I haven't 59 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: done it. I'll probably do one and I won't do 60 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: a complete first round. Maybe I will, well, you can 61 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: do it all the way to thirty three to ja there. 62 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: Maybe I will, maybe I will, But it's uh, but 63 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: it's pretty cool that this has become a very popular thing. 64 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: Back years ago, when when I went there, it was, yeah, 65 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to be one of these 66 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: old guys. You know, way back when when I went 67 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: it was it was just a little bit simpler. You 68 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: went there, you went through the medical check, you did 69 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: the physical testing. There was a few guys at that point, 70 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: some of them that opted not to work out for 71 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: whatever reason, but mostly everybody went that. I mean, they 72 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: were there, they didn't I don't think there was ever 73 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: anybody that really refused to go to the combine in 74 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: my era. But there might have been some quarterbacks that 75 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: didn't throw. There might have been some that didn't run 76 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: the forty because of a medical reason or something of 77 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: that nature. But it still happens today some too. You 78 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: guys opt out of certain things. But Bucky Brooks made 79 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: a pretty good point yesterday on the Huddle Up podcast 80 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: that you know, if you have a really good time 81 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: of the combine, like forty time or testing numbers, you 82 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: don't do anything else. You don't have to run at 83 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: the pro day and do all this, and if you 84 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: have a subpart time or one you don't like, or 85 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: some numbers you don't like, you have a chance at 86 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: least later to correct them at the pro day. Correct. 87 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's an important piece of it. Well, 88 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: it's it's it's just a piece. It's a piece, that's 89 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: what it is. It's a piece of the puzzle. And 90 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: and there's a lot, a lot more that goes on there, 91 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: just besides the most important thing about the combine is 92 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: the physical check. It's the actual physical It's when the 93 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: doctors are literally checking joints and checking past injuries and 94 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: checking your body. The medical check. That's that's the by 95 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: far the most important thing that they do there. And 96 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: everybody else is attracted to the part that makes for TV, 97 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: which is the forty time, the broad jump, the high jump, 98 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 1: et cetera, and some of the interview process and getting 99 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: players up at the podium. But in reality, the real 100 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: value of the combine is none of that. The value 101 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: of the combine is the medical check, which that's not 102 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: They don't film that, they don't show that. It's the 103 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: X rays, it's the m r s. It's the poking 104 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: and the prodding and everything else and uh. And when 105 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: I went to the combine, I didn't really have any expectations, 106 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: and it's obviously very different. Now we have guys that 107 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: literally they have workout regimes that are completely tailored for 108 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: the combine so that they can max out and do 109 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: their best at the combine. When prior to the combine, 110 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: when I was there, we had guys that when we 111 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: kind of knew what we were going to be doing, 112 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: so we wouldn't completely cater our workout towards that, but 113 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: we would practice some of that stuff that they literally 114 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: have now personal trainers that have an entire workout system 115 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: geared towards the combine, I mean sprinters, showing them how 116 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: to actually sprint, how to get out of the know, 117 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: how to how to run smooth without shaking, and minimizing 118 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: any kind of movement that may they take me away. 119 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: I know all about a faster but it was it 120 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: was interesting to it to combine because it was a 121 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: little bit more of the wild wild West when I went. 122 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: When when I say that, I mean from the standpoint 123 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: of there was a little less control on the environment. 124 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: So at the hotel you had. Everybody had their own room, 125 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: et cetera. And NFL personnel were sprinkled throughout. But it 126 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: wasn't like they had security and keeping people out. I mean, 127 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: there were unscrupulous agents and women on their arms that 128 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: were meant to attract these players to them. Hey, come 129 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: to my room. I mean it was I'll never forget 130 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: that some guy. I don't remember how we were how 131 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: it came about, but some guy kind of came up 132 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: to me and he had a beautiful woman on his arm, 133 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: and he's talking to me. Hey, I'm an agent, you know. 134 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: And it was me and about four other guys, and 135 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: there was a couple other guys that were with me 136 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: that were considered much higher prospects than I was, because 137 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't really considered a first round kind of prospect 138 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: at that time yet. And uh so they're trying to 139 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, he's trying to lay his spiel on us, 140 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, on me and the other guys that I 141 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: was with and represented at the time. Or no. Yeah, 142 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: I had an agent, but I mean we didn't have 143 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: a sign contract or anything of that nature. And and 144 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. We're sitting there in this kind 145 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: of sitting area and this agent is talking to us. 146 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: And the whole time that the agent is talking to us, 147 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: and you could tell that, I mean, he was on something. 148 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it just it just wasn't normal in the 149 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: entire time. JP. This beautiful woman is looking me up 150 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: and down. I mean like JP, like up and down. Okay, 151 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: I get it. Yes, we got a question, Joe. Yes, 152 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: she she probably did have a Yeah, she's probably mine. 153 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: But it was it was you could tell that it 154 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: was just a total circus. I mean, I guess that's 155 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: the only way I can put it. But she was 156 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: doing the same thing with other guys, and it gave 157 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: you the kind of gave the impression that she was 158 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: essentially a prostitute. They're designed, and that was actually they had, seriously, 159 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: they had an issue with that at some of the combines. 160 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: You remember her name, Im, it's been a while. I 161 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: didn't know. I remember, No, I didn't. I didn't never 162 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: went any further than that. Okay, I can tell you this. 163 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: There were some other guys at the combine that I 164 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: did see them around that agent, and it was I 165 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: don't know where it went. I'll just leave it at that. 166 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: So all right, We'll say this the Back in those 167 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: days also, there were fifteen or twenty media people that 168 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: went to this thing, some writers, and that was about it, correct, 169 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: And we didn't talk. We didn't talk to any of them. Right, 170 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: They would have to chase people down on the street. 171 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: There was no organized media center. Now there are. I 172 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: think I was told the other night over eight hundred 173 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: credential media for this event alone, right, And and it's 174 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: and I think that's probably the one aspect that has 175 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: changed is that now you get another opportunity to evaluate 176 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: these prospects as far as how they handle the media, 177 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: because they're put up at the podiums. Back in the day, 178 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: we didn't have podiums. We didn't talk to the media, 179 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: but there were plenty of one on one opportunities to 180 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: where you you were asked to go, hey, can you 181 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: so and so with the Chicago Bears, are so and 182 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: so with the Pittsburgh Steelers wants to talk to you? 183 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: Can you come down to room X number at such 184 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: and such a time? And you did. It's so much 185 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: more structured now as far as the interviews, the amount 186 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: of time they're allowed to be interviewed, etcetera. It was 187 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more intimate back in the late eighties. 188 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: And but the wild thing is is that the core 189 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: of the combine has not changed. It's just a lot 190 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: of the ancillary things around the combine have changed. But 191 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: as far as the testing that you're doing, the medical check, 192 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: the UH interviews with teams, it's it happened before, it 193 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: happens now it's a little bit more structured. But it's 194 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: pretty wild how that really hasn't changed much after all 195 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: these years, and it had, you know, going all the 196 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: way back to long before me. I like, the last 197 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: time I went was about four years ago. And in 198 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: that time, there's a hotel right across the street from 199 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: the convention center that used to be the old train station. 200 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: They have these you know, kind of train car hotel 201 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: rooms in the middle of it, and then on the 202 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: side regular rooms. That's where the teams set up for 203 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: the interview portion. And they at that time at least 204 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: blew like a horn every so fifteen minutes was the 205 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: the amount of time you had the interview. And then 206 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: guys will rotate. You have somebody bring them around, and 207 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's court you're rolling. We didn't have 208 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: we din't we didn't have none of that. None of 209 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: that happened back in the late eighties. It was more 210 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: of a one on one kind of a thing. There 211 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: was no structure, There was no time limits. If you 212 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: want to talk to somebody, so you just made a 213 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,239 Speaker 1: phone call to that person's room or with his representative 214 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: and you they arranged a meeting with you. I met 215 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: with Marty Schottenheimer and Carl Peterson at that time, they 216 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: were the brain trust of the Kansas City Chiefs UM 217 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: and numerous other organizations. But I remember that one pretty 218 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: distinctly because Marty was was such a strong personality and 219 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: uh and it was, you know, fun, fun to talk 220 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: with him. And I was kind of a fan of 221 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs because I had a couple of 222 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: former UVA guys that played with the Chiefs, and obviously 223 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: a big fan of watching some of the things that 224 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: they they were able to do defensively. Of course, another 225 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: part of the combine week coaches and general managers speak 226 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: with the media, and being a couple of weeks before 227 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: the start of the league year and re agency, it 228 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: is a big moment to kind of figure out which 229 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: what organizations UM directions might be and certainly the Jaguars 230 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: are in that case this year with a lot of 231 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: question marks, a lot of new faces of what it's 232 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: going to be. So I think the schedule is Tuesday 233 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: to hear from Peterson and Balky at the podium in Indianapolis. Yeah, 234 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know how much more that they 235 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: would be able to add from what especially we just 236 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: heard a lot from from Doug Peterson. We're gonna, you 237 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna read some tea leaves logs in 238 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: the next week or so. That's how that's how it happens. 239 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: You you dissect every part of the transcript. Oh did 240 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: they mean this? Are they gonna en franchise this guy? 241 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: Are are are they gonna draft this? That means they're gonna draft. 242 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: The reality is that when I say when I say that, 243 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: there's probably not gonna be a whole lot more new 244 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: information that's going to be able to be gleaned from 245 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: that interview at the combine. I say that because most 246 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: teams and organizations can be and they're not trying to 247 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: be evasive, they're just trying to protect some of their 248 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: information because you don't ever want to let your game 249 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: plan be known prior to free agency, etcetera, because you 250 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: want to be able to surprise some people in some 251 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: particular way. But I think it will be interesting from 252 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: the standpoint that Doug Peterson and Trent Balky will have 253 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: had some time to organize and work with their stats, 254 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: work with each other, and so some of the conversations 255 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: about the dynamic that's going to be existing between those two, 256 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: and then who knows, maybe an e v P will 257 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: be named by the Jaguars by that period of time, 258 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: and so that dynamic will be introduced, I'm sure to 259 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: the line of questioning. So there there will be some interest, 260 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: I think from that standpoint. But you're not gonna find 261 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: out who they're gonna draft at, you know, at the 262 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: combine by by talking to them. A lot of works 263 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: still to be done between now and the draft night, 264 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: and this already nations a little bit behind that, a 265 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: lot of things to do, I mean, you know, typically, 266 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean if staffs and organizations that have already been 267 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: set with you know, general manager and head coaches in place, 268 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean when the season ended, they were already they 269 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: were already working towards this organization. Uh took what fifty 270 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: days to name their new head coach bulpark Ish and 271 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: so and then you know this, It took a little 272 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: bit of time for the staff to be to be 273 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: formulated and signed and then so okay, now the work 274 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: evaluation parts. So I mean, this organization is staff and 275 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure Doug would maybe argue against us somewhat, but 276 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: the reality is they're behind where I'm sure some other 277 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: organizations are. They're playing a little bit of catch up. 278 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: And now will they be able to kind of say 279 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: at some point, okay, yeah, we are caught up. Sure 280 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: they are. We'll be able to do that. I don't 281 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: know at what point that will be. That'll be up 282 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: to them, but at some point they will be caught 283 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: up and they will be up to speed. The dailies 284 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: place schedules starting to fill out for the spring and 285 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: summer logs. A W Dynamite coming up on March second, 286 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: and then the concerts began in April. Brothers Osborne, well, Dirk, 287 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: Tim McGraw, plenty of shows coming up in spring and summer. 288 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: Daily's place dot com for all the information. I guess 289 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: he'll be a Tim McGraw show. Brothers Osborne is pretty 290 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: good too. Now that's a that's a Uh, those two 291 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: probably draw my attention as well as a w Dyning. 292 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I could see you as like a wrestling 293 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, as a wrestler. I might pick up a 294 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: career in wrestling. I need to talked to Tony just 295 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: somebody that can hook you up with that. Yeah. Yeah. 296 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: If I can come flying off of the top rope 297 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: like Jimmy super Fly, you can do anything. Once. What 298 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: was your favorite wrestler all time? Hogan? But besides him, 299 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: everybody like everybody supposed to hack saw Jim Duggan. He's 300 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good. We need to go to break. 301 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: We'll come back. We'll let you think about it. We'll 302 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: come back with that. Um and Press Taylor offensive coordinator 303 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: as well, Bob Backlin, same from the past, Lord's Happy 304 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: Hour on the Jaguards Digital Network. Obviously, Coach Peters and 305 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: I can speak the same language having been in the 306 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: same offense for five years. Um. And then you know, 307 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: Andrew Bryner is even a guy that worked with us 308 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: for a year there. Nick Williams worked with us there, 309 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: so we can speak the Philadelphi Eagles language. Um. And 310 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: then really one of the ties is kind of Peyton 311 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: Manning where Mike McCoy's work with Peyton Manning, Jim Bob 312 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: Cooter's work with Peyton Manning. Frank Reich had worked with 313 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. Frank was with us in Philly. So we 314 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: can all myself, Mike McCoy, Jim Bob Cooter, we can 315 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: kind of speak a certain language based on what I 316 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: did in Indie and what those guys have been familiar 317 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: with with Peyton. So there are some unique ties that 318 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: kind of bring people together. And as long as we 319 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: can initially speak the same language, we can work well 320 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: together and then we'll come up with what our languages 321 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: so we're all on the exact same page as we 322 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: move forward. That's Press Taylor, Jaguar's offensive coordinator, visiting with 323 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: John Osier on the ozone podcast. We'll hear from Mike 324 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: Caldwell coming up on another edition. They will be out 325 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: today and tomorrow on the Official Jaguars Podcast Network. J P. Shadrick, 326 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: Jeff Lagerman, Brent Reeber on the video side. Joe Fortunado, 327 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: you heard from him earlier on the audio side. Yeah, 328 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: and then a new language. Uh Yeah. There's a lot 329 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: of a lot of people around the quarterback in this 330 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: coaching staff, right the O C passing game coordinator, quarterback coach, 331 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: assistant quarterback coach. Oh yeah, and the head coach. But 332 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: they gotta have that one language, as Press Taylor said there, 333 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: and uh, it seems like they're pretty confident they can 334 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: get that together among the coaches who've had some history together. 335 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: And I think the focus is obviously making Trevor Lawrence 336 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: be the best that he can be. But when you 337 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: have that many proven entities, because a lot of those 338 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: guys are proven entities, you have to make sure and 339 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: ensure Doug Peterson does to make sure that it's not 340 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: too many voices trying to speak to Trevor Lawrence because 341 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: when you start to have, you know the old saying, 342 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: too many chefs in the kitchen can ruin a meal. 343 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that is true. I think that's 344 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: very true, and you need to make sure that you 345 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: have I don't want to say the one voice, but 346 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: you have to have one voice speaking to him. It 347 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: can't be and it's not one person so per se, 348 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: but it's one voice as far as everybody has to 349 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: be on the same page. And you do not do 350 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: not want to have five different coaches that are trying 351 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: to mentor Trevor Lawrence. That's that's just not good. It's 352 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: just too much. So I think it will be I 353 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: don't want to say it will be a little bit 354 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: of a challenge. I think it. Doug will make sure 355 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: that that does happen. But it is nice that they 356 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: have so any different people with the experience level that 357 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: they have that I don't think there's any question that 358 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: this will be an offense that will utilize the personnel 359 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: that they have and will be creative in a lot 360 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: of different ways and utilizing that personnel because there is 361 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: a wide range of experience, press Taylor being one of 362 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: the most inexperience, but he's got a lot of great 363 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: guys that he can really kind of lean on to 364 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: be a first time offensive coordinator. Big question, of course 365 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: coming up on the offensive line. We've talked a little 366 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: bit about this, but there's some some big money contracts 367 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: in that line that um on the interior, especially Lender 368 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: could be back norwell as I think the free agent 369 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: coming up. UM, what's gonna happen at left tackle? Right 370 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: tackle didn't have his best season last year, and then 371 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: there was all the changes at right guard last season. 372 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: This could be a different looking. Line would say, oh, 373 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: it could be very different looking. I mean it could 374 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: be really really different looking. I think a lot of that. 375 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: You'll you'll get a little bit of a sample of 376 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: how different it could be once free agency starts were 377 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: actually before free agency starts. Because what happens with Cam Robins? 378 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: Are you gonna tag him? Are you not? That's uh so, 379 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: here's the number on it. So for Cam Robinson, the 380 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: tag number this year is right around sixteen and a 381 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: half million dollars, right, But for Cam it's to be 382 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: the second time tag, so it's undred of last year's salary, 383 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: So basically it's the same number. It's right around the same, 384 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: just over sixteen and a half million dollars. If you 385 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: tag him again and it's the higher of those two 386 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: numbers or what the normal tag number would be this year, 387 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: they're pretty close either way. For me, uh, I'd like 388 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: to see him back. I think I think you have 389 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: the greatest thing that you can do with any position 390 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: group is to create great competition. And you know, and 391 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: you can't in some cases, you can't worry about what 392 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: the numbers are, so to speak. You just need to 393 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: find a way to create that competition. You have two 394 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: guys that are already under contract in Walker Little and 395 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: then also Jowan Taylor right tackle, and so if you're 396 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: able to retain Cam Robinson, now you create three guys 397 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: that have two starting positions open. So now you try 398 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: to figure out what's going to be the best situation 399 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: and get the best two guys, the best productivity that 400 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: you can get out of both of those positions with 401 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: those three guys. And I've said this in the past 402 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with it. I really 403 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: believe this. I think Cam Robinson can be the best 404 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: right tackle in football, and I believe he can be 405 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: a really good left tackle. I don't know, and I'd 406 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: like to know what Walker Little could be at right tackle, 407 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: because you'd like to find out what's the best combination 408 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: for this team. I think the best domination is to 409 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: create competition for that right tackle spot, regardless whether it's 410 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: Walker a Little going to right tackle compete with Juwan 411 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: Taylor for right tackle, or is that moving Cam to 412 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: right tackle and letting Juan compete for playing time period 413 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: maybe at right tackle or somewhere else. I don't know 414 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: the answer to that, but I do know the answer 415 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: that competition makes everybody better all the time. And this 416 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: this situation, this offensive line that needs to get better. 417 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: And then obviously Evan Needels right there, available at the 418 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: top of the draft and has been mocked a lot 419 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: of times to the Jaguars so far, the Alabama left tackle. 420 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: So you know, if you feel like he's the guy, 421 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: then you know the business might change in the next 422 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. We could. I mean, so then you 423 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: could say, okay, well we're gonna take that sixteen million 424 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: and maybe go find a wide receiver or that sixteen 425 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: million that could have been allocated to a Cam Robinson 426 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: coming back. But I've always believed and that the only 427 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: way that you get better as a football team is 428 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: not by sub traction, it's by addition. And if you 429 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: don't keep Cam, that's subtraction. And you can't look at 430 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: it and say, well, hey, look we're gonna get the 431 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: kid from Alabama. He's gonna be able to walk right 432 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: in and just be just as good as Cam. And 433 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: that may not happen, but you do have to have 434 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: a plan with that. But again, I like to create 435 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: competition with addition and uh, and I think it's gonna 436 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: be very interesting to watch, and we should have a 437 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: pretty good idea of where it's gonna be heady because 438 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: of what's the first day of what's the first colendar 439 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: day of the league year, which free agency we're talking 440 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks away here, which is not far 441 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: so we're gonna be able to find out here pretty 442 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: soon what's gonna be happening. Then there's the interior of 443 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: the line question marks too. I mean, what's gonna happen there? 444 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: He's coming up free agent, is a free agent pay 445 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: and Lender? You know, there's all that well, and that's 446 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: the we set it in the past, and that if 447 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: you if you want to keep Brandon Lender. And look, 448 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: I love Brandon Lender. I like him as a player, 449 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: I like him as a person. I like a lot 450 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: of things about Brandon Lender. Been a very good leader 451 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: for this football team. He when he's been available, he's 452 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: been really good. The availability has had some issues over 453 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: the course of the last four or five years, and 454 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: so Shatley has always kind of been that when you 455 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: sign Lender, and then you look at signing the one 456 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: and if that's one A, then one B is trying 457 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: to keep somebody's a really good quality backup in that Shatley, 458 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: who I think somebody should sign in free agency and 459 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: make him the starter. I think he's pretty good player. 460 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: He's not better than Lender, but he's been available, and 461 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: so I think it will be interesting to see where 462 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: this organization ends up going in that direction. Could they 463 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: in fact go into the draft. Kansas City did it. 464 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean they completely revamped their offensive line completely and 465 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: partly through the draft with arguably one of the best 466 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: rookie players in all the football this past year. The 467 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: young man that they got it was really good. I 468 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: can't remember his name. It was the center's name for 469 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: kanas City. Key drawn a blank. Yeah. Um, So there 470 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: you have it. There will be a lot of this 471 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. It will get busier, all the 472 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: headlines and things will come out of the combine and 473 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: then one thing start start happening. They have got to 474 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: find some weapons on offense. Just throw the ball with somebody. 475 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they have to find impactful players on the offense. Defensively, 476 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: They've got to find a way to get and whether 477 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: this be through the draft or whatever, they got to 478 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: find a way to affect the quarterback. They weren't able 479 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: to do that consistently enough. And there's definitely a the 480 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: pieces in the middle of the defensive line are weak. 481 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: We'll get to defense coming up. I was told Treed Humphrey. 482 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: Is that who who was offensively? I think so, yeah, 483 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: there you go. Thanks Joe Fortunato with the assistant with 484 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: the computer, Yes, the Google machine. We're back at a 485 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: moment and defensive talk affecting the quarterback. Big part of 486 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: what the Jaguars need to get done on defense will 487 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: here from Mike Caldwell, also the Jaguars defensive coordinator. Renewed 488 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: now Roar later. The time is now to a New 489 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: York two Jags season tickets. Season ticket members who are 490 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: new by March fourth will be entered to win one 491 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: of fifty four scratch Facts. Prizes include signed merchandise, exclusive 492 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: access to events, to the bank, and even a trip 493 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: to the NFL Draft in Las Vegas. And this is 494 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. That's the thing. 495 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: We want to go out there. We want to be aggressive. 496 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,959 Speaker 1: We want to play aggressive style defense. Want to attack 497 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: the offense and make them adjust us and understand what 498 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: they're doing and just be able to go out there 499 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: and have fun and fly around and make place how 500 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: closely or how much I guess the question is did 501 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: you talk to Todd about defensive coordinator responsibilities and what 502 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: do you expect the transition? Uh, maybe the biggest challenge. 503 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: I think we've were together so long. I was able 504 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: to understand some us the role and now being put 505 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: into that role. Just understanding that you know, you have 506 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: a plan, betailed, detailed about it and goes back to teaching. 507 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: I'm able to teach my coaches what I know, what 508 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: I want to get accomplished, and then we'll all teach 509 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: that to the players. And if you communicate and get 510 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: everybody on the same page, success will come. That's Mike Caldwell, 511 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: Jaguars defensive coordinator visiting with John Osier. Who you heard there. 512 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: It's on the ozone podcast today and tomorrow on the 513 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: Official Jaguars podcast network and the I Heart Radio app. 514 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: J P Shadrick, Jeff Logerman this Jaguars Happy Hour, you know, 515 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: and he mentioned Todd there. Todd Bowles is who they 516 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: were speaking of, the defensive coordinator in Tampa Bay. And 517 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: by the way, I think Todd Bowls should be a 518 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: head coach in this league. I really do um I thought. 519 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: I thought he did a really good job, and with 520 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: his previous opportunity and then I was with a bad organization, 521 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: didn't really get an opportunity to kind of finish the job. 522 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: And sometimes you've got to have the right players to 523 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: make things work. But I've always liked him. I've always 524 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: kind of been a fan of his from AFAR, and 525 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: so I appreciate that Mike called Well has learned a 526 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: lot from him, because I think he's a really good coach. 527 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: Their defenses they got, they got. That's some really good talent. 528 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: But what I like about what they do is that 529 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: they don't try to be too cute and that they 530 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: allow the players to to utilize there their skills and 531 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: their talents, and they put players in a position to succeed. 532 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: And what a lot of people say, what does that mean? Well, 533 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: if a guy is good at doing A, you don't 534 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: ask him to do B or C or D. You 535 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: put him in a position to do A as often 536 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: as you can. And that's what the kind of coach 537 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: that Todd Bolts has always been and Mike called Well, 538 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: I've always watched him more from his playing days. Don't 539 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: know much. I don't know a lot about him as 540 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: a coach because I haven't been around him, but I 541 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: knew that when he was a player, he was a 542 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: really good football player, solid football player. His days from 543 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: the Browns, I thought he was really solid, and obviously 544 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: when they made the transition over to Baltimorrow, I thought 545 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: he was still really good player at that point. And 546 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: uh and so I think it's great for him. It's 547 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: a great opportunity for him. I also like the fact 548 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: that they have Bob Sutton still on staff. They kept him, 549 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: and that's somebody that the head coach has had some 550 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: experience with. In Kansas City, when Doug Peterson was there, 551 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: Bob Sutton was a defensive coordinator. Bob Sutton been around 552 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: a long time, and when you have a first time 553 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, I think it's very important that you have 554 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: somebody that's on that side of the ball that has 555 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of experience that hey, look, when you 556 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: get in a situation, hey, experience matters. And when you 557 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: don't have that experience to be able to bounce ideas 558 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: off of somebody that does have experience, I think that's 559 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: incredibly important. So I think it's a real good situation 560 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: for Mike to be able to succeed in and obviously 561 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: need to get some more talent on that side of 562 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: the ball. And with the draft picks and free agency 563 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: and the cash cap room you got is you should 564 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: be able to do that. He mentioned he wanted to 565 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: be aggressive, have an aggressive defense. What does that mean 566 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: to you? Well, I think it depends on the personnel. 567 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you always want to be aggressive, and you 568 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: can't be aggressive. A lot of people sometimes misinterpret being 569 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: aggressive as that we're gonna be blitzing, We're gonna be 570 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: like Buddy Ryan of We're gonna send one more than 571 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: they can block every single time. And what does that do? Well? 572 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: That leaves you a little bit delinquent in your coverage. 573 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: If you look at Todd Bowles, that's a four man 574 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: rush defense, that's what they like to do well they have. 575 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: It helps when you have Sue and Vita Van, Jason, 576 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: Pierre Paul, and Shack Barrett exactly. So being aggressive means 577 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: is that I think in a lot of times, is 578 00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: being aggressive with the personnel that you have, so that 579 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: will dictate the type of defense and and anybody that 580 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: is worth a grain AsSalt in the in the coaching 581 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: profession will utilize the personnel because it's never about system. 582 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: It's never about Hey, my defense is the best. We're 583 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: gonna make it work. Well yeah, I mean some of 584 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: your ideas might be the best, but you also have 585 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: to have the personnel to execute. And when you don't 586 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: have the personnel to execute, sometimes you have to do 587 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: things a little bit differently. Giving a perfect example, Dave McGinnis, 588 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: who was a long time defensive coordinator defensive coach in 589 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: the National Football League, was a head coach with the 590 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals for quite a few years, and when when 591 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: I was doing games for Fox Television, Dave was always 592 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys to talk to because he 593 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: was just he was very enlightening and I still love 594 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: talking to him now. He's the color analyst for the 595 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans radio broadcast that they do for every game, 596 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: and he always used to tell me that at the 597 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: time when he was the head coach of the Cardinals, 598 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: he would say, hey, look, I said, what your game 599 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: plan is week day? And he say, look, Jeff, you 600 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: know you know what we got. We we just we 601 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: gotta trick it up a little bit. We just we 602 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: can't manufacture our pass rush with four, so we're gonna 603 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: get creative. Okay, what does that mean he said, Well, 604 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: he said, we're gonna try to do it and try 605 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: to do it mostly without risking ourselves in the back end. 606 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: So they're gonna send four guys that maybe the offense 607 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: doesn't expect because the four guys that they have trying 608 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: to rush on a regular basis, or that the offense 609 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: would be expecting aren't good enough to win consistently enough. 610 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: So he would say, we got to trick it up. 611 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: But I think those are the type of things that 612 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: coaches can be aggressive by by sending different guys but 613 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: maybe not sending more than they have and then leaving 614 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: your coverage in a delinquent situation. Miles Jack looks to 615 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: be key on this defense yet again, um, you know, 616 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what it's going to look like yet. 617 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 1: There's still a little early in that world. But Miles 618 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: has been moved all over this defense over years. And 619 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: what do you think of his play overall last season? 620 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: I don't think very much of it. I think it 621 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: was very good. No, I don't think he was terrible, 622 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: but I don't think that. Typically, what you always want 623 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: to have is that you want to have the play 624 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: commensurate with the pay, and in football that rarely happened 625 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: because sometimes you have guys that are outperforming their contract, right, 626 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: like you've had with a young running back last two 627 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: years ago, I guess now, and with Jay rob And 628 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: then you have some guys that are underperforming their contract 629 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: because maybe you got them in free agency and that's 630 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: just the market in order to get them. They can't 631 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: play well enough to match the dollar amount that they're getting, 632 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: and that's kind of sometimes that happens. That's understood with Miles, 633 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: who was a guy that you signed before he got 634 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: the free agency. When you have a guy in that situation, 635 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 1: you would always like to have them out performing their contracts. Still, 636 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: and I think the defensive change affected him. His His 637 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: perfect defense that he's played in so far was being 638 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: the w side linebacker in a four three defense and 639 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: when he didn't have to call the place, that's the 640 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 1: best situation that he's been. That's when he excelled. When 641 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: they had him calling plays and playing the mic wasn't 642 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: as good when they had him last year not calling 643 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: the plays. Eventually, they took a little while to figure 644 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: that out, and then playing in that three four defense, 645 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: it wasn't the best that he was at. I mean, 646 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: look at the insulin. When I say, look at the numbers, 647 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: Look at the numbers that Miles Jack has when from 648 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: a standpoint of okay, not just tackles, but the other numbers, sacks, interceptions, 649 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: tackle for losses, passes, defense caused fumbles, recovered fumbles. Look 650 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: at those numbers and tell me what they tell you, right, 651 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's more impactful when he was in that spot. 652 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: That's my point. Those are the numbers. Those are the 653 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: numbers in the categories around the football, numbers that you 654 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: need to have if if you're paying somebody a bunch 655 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: of money and he's gonna be one of your best players, 656 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: those categories have to be filled up with some numbers. 657 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that he has to, you know, 658 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: have five or six in every category, but you gotta 659 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: have got to have some numbers in those categories, and 660 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: and last year he did not. Let's ben argue that 661 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: the other that the other linebacker played better Wilson. Wilson, 662 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: you could make that argument. That Damien Wilson played better 663 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: last year and he was a guy that you got 664 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: off the street and free agency on what a one 665 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: year deal? Right? Was he a one year deal? Let 666 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: me look, But my point being is that it's coming 667 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: off of a couple of runs with Kansas City. So 668 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: let's look. It wasn't like he was a high priced 669 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: free agent. No he was not. Yeah one year deal? Yeah, 670 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: too many bucks? Two million bucks. So you couldn't you 671 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: could make the case that Damien Wilson played better than 672 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: Miles Jack last year, or at least played as an 673 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: equal if you compared the numbers. Okay, that's not what 674 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: you're looking for. And so I think Miles, Miles has 675 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: to and I like Miles. I think he has to 676 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: take a step up this year. If this defense is 677 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: going to take a step up, he has to be 678 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: a part of those taking a step up. Let's come back, 679 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: We'll take a live look at the construction of the 680 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 1: football building. Let's become a Thursday tradition. You're not they're 681 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: not messing around on, No, they're moving on. We're gonna 682 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 1: do a time lapse, like you know, save all these pictures. 683 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: And if they're working on that. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, 684 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: we'll come back. We'll do that. We'll go around the 685 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: NFL also including uh saying goodbye to somebody leaving the 686 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: NFL and going back to college. We'll find out in 687 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: a moment. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network, 688 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: the station that Jaguars listen to ten ten x OL, 689 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: home of the Jetsonville Jaguars. Jaguars Happy Hour coming down 690 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: the stretch on Thursday, and if you're watching on Jaguars 691 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: dot Com and Jack's social media, it's a live look 692 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: at the Football Performance Center site. They continue to move dirt, 693 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: more and more dirt being moved by the Day's a 694 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: lot of dirt, a lot of got there and drive 695 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: some of that equipment out there. I think you'd be 696 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: qualified for that. You have some experience with that. I 697 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: do up on the farm. I do. It would be 698 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Would be like playing in the 699 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: sandbox as a kid, but other this time. Instead of 700 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: having the fake Tnka toys, the old metal school, old 701 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 1: school ones, you got real ones, but Tonka trucks. Yeah. 702 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: I was a big Tonka truck guy. By I think 703 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: Dad still has mine, does he? Really where you're plastered. 704 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: I think they were metal. The metal ones were the 705 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: old school man, they were money. So oh, there's a 706 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: lot of work going on and it started literally the 707 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: day after the final game. They roped off to the 708 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: field and now they're tearing one of them apart. That 709 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: will be the footprint of the football Performance Center scheduled 710 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: to be open for business and training camp of show, 711 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: some decisions to be made of the off season program 712 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: and where all that's going to be. But welcome back, Jaguars, 713 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: Happy r J P. Shadrick with Jeff Lackman, and hey, 714 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: let's go around the National Football League. Let's do that. 715 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: Let's reports today that Troy Aikman could be headed to 716 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: ESPN to join Monday Night Football. Well, Al Michaels was 717 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: expected to head to Amazon Prime for Thursday Night Football, 718 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: and the word was that Aikman was going to join 719 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: him there for kind of a superstar pairing in the booth. Well, Aikman, 720 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: I guess, is headed to ESPN. No official word yet. 721 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: There's no word yet on play by play. That would 722 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: also shake up the rest of the both on Monday 723 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: Night Football and sending those analysts elsewhere. So you got 724 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: Troy Igmen competing against Peyton and Eli. So it's a 725 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: quarterback battle because of ESPN two and ESPN. Tony Romo, 726 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: by the way, is making eighteen million dollars a year 727 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: at CBS, and you can expect the number to be 728 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: close to that. I'm sure for Troy, Oh yeah, I mean, uh, 729 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 1: Troy has been around a long time. I enjoy listening 730 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 1: to Troy. I think he does a really good job 731 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: of presenting the game from a quarterbacks I and uh 732 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 1: and Tony Room I think is entertaining and some other 733 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: aspects as far as the way that he sees the game, 734 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: the way that he tries to predict certain things. Um, 735 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: he makes it fun and uh. Sometimes he is grossly off. 736 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: But but that can happen when you're playing the guessing 737 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: game in a broadcast. But but I like, I like, 738 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: I enjoy both of them. I think they both do 739 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: a really good job in the entertain Now. I will 740 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: a this, there's nobody in today's in today's game that 741 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: surpasses Chris Collinsworth in my eyes, I think Chris colin Worth. 742 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: Collinsworth has a great understanding of a couple of things. One, 743 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: he has a great understanding of the big picture of 744 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: the league as a whole. I think he does a 745 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: great job of big picture game analysis of a game, 746 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: but then he can also break down plays from an 747 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: individual standpoint and be pretty accurate. And I was not 748 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: a big fan of Chris Collinsworth years ago. I thought 749 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: he was a little bit uh demeaning. I think he 750 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: talked down to the audience at times. But I think 751 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: now he's a wonderful broadcaster for a wonderful analyst, and he, 752 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: in my opinion, he should be getting paid the most. 753 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: Well's this kind of fallback phrase. It's here's a guy. 754 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: That's what he always starts with. Here's a guy. He 755 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: does a great job. He does, he does, he's smooths, 756 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: he's just he's so moves and efficiency with words is 757 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: so important as a broadcaster, and I think that's what 758 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: al Michaels is so good at just it's just amazing 759 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: at that. And as an analyst, you never expect the 760 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: same efficiency out of an analyst, But man Collinsworth is 761 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: as efficient with his words as anybody that's in the business. 762 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: Let's move to Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers. The saga 763 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: continues with the Packers quarterback. He posted on Instagram the 764 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: other day logs, I know you're all over Instagram. Yeah yeah, yeah, 765 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: probably follow him. It was seemingly a goodbye to players 766 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: and people around him in Green Bay. The next day 767 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 1: of the Pat McAfee show, he said that he hadn't 768 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: come to a decision yet. I didn't. I didn't view 769 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: it as a goodbye. I didn't read it on Instagram, 770 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 1: but I read about it, and I he was just 771 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: being very thankful. He said that he underwent like an 772 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 1: eight or a nine day cleanse. Okay, what exactly that 773 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: consists of, I really don't want to know. But somehow 774 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: he came out on the other side with a lot 775 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: of deep thoughts. You know. So I'm kind of reminded 776 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: of the Saturday Night Live skit deep thoughts. Okay, Jack Handy, 777 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: was that what it was? So anyway, thanked the girl 778 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 1: friend that he broke up with as part of those 779 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 1: deep thoughts. And so once I got past that, I'm like, Okay, 780 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: what exactly were you cleansing out of your body? But 781 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: also what were you putting in your body? At the 782 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: same time, m Well Packers GM spoke this week. Also, 783 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: it said that he never promised Rogers that he would 784 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: trade him after season. He was asked about that. That 785 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: was very clear back then there was no promise made. 786 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: So the saga continues, and uh, you know, I would 787 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: guess fairly soon you might hear something else out of 788 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Why not it did that? That's gonna be. 789 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this all season with Aaron Rodgers and how 790 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: cryptic he can be. What's the situation in Green Bay? 791 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: And then you add in the Tom Brady watch. Is 792 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: he retired or is he not retired? Is he just 793 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: trying to implement his freedom and free agency so that 794 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: he can go play in San Francisco. I mean, it's 795 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: just like, okay, well, I mean that's just a it's 796 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: a never ending kind of a drama situation with that, 797 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: and Tom Brady has earned the right to do whatever 798 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: he wants. Speaking of Tom Brady and drama, He's gonna 799 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: be acting. He'll be playing himself in a movie titled 800 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: eighty for Brady. It's a football themed road trip movie 801 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 1: and it's set to begin production this spring. He'll produce 802 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: the film and it starts. Get this list, Lily Tomlin, 803 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: Jane Fonda, Rina Moreno, and Sally Fields. Not a big 804 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: fan of Jane Fonda. Four women will try able to 805 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: see Brady play in the Super Bowl fifty two is 806 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: the plot line. And back a couple of years ago, 807 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: he created one Productions and that will help him make 808 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: the film. What does one nine productions mean? That's his 809 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: draft number? Exactly? Wanted you want to just say that 810 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't know that. So he's 811 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: gonna be in the movie and then producing the movie. 812 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: You got TB twelve okay to his company that uh 813 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, he's got fitness thing productions. Look, he's a 814 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: smart guy. He's gonna be highly successful football. If you've 815 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,240 Speaker 1: got all those things, he'll be highly successful at whatever 816 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: he chooses to do. Now that the challenges for him 817 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 1: is can he be more successful than Roger Stallback? That's 818 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: tough now Roger Roger got it done. After football, Roger 819 00:45:53,960 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: Stallback has been the most highly successful quarterback post playing 820 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: career that has ever been in the National Football League, 821 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: highly highly successful businessman made millions. And I think Roger 822 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 1: Stallback's net worth is gotta be somewhere in the is 823 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,439 Speaker 1: he is he over two hundred million? Now three million? 824 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it's It's something that's just amazing and that 825 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: most guys essentially associate quarterbacks net worth with what they 826 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,399 Speaker 1: made as a as a player. But Roger Stallback didn't 827 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,479 Speaker 1: make a whole lot of money as a player. So 828 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,760 Speaker 1: stall Box started the real estate commercial real estate business 829 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: in the late seventies. Country was done, and it sold 830 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: apparently in two thousand eight for six million dollars. And 831 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: he was the sole proprietor of that company. So that's 832 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 1: pretty good, thank you, pretty good living. That's the challenge 833 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: for Tom Brady. Pretty good, Listen. I don't know if 834 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: you can reach that one. One more note, Brian Flores 835 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: says he declined to sign a dolfin separation agreement so 836 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,320 Speaker 1: he could speak out on the treatment by the team. 837 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: And Flores told Bryant Gumble on HBO's Real Sports all this. 838 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: He left millions of dollars on the table, but granted 839 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: him the freedom to talk. So that will be ongoing 840 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 1: as we move ahead. Now. He did get hired by 841 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: the Steelers and Mike Tomlin hired him, that's right, And 842 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin hired him as a senior defensive assistant, which 843 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: I think Brian Flores should still be head coach in 844 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 1: the National Football League. I thought he was doing a 845 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: really good job in Miami. There was a power struggle 846 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: that was happening between him and the general manager, and uh, 847 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: that's kind of what many people believe, and he lost 848 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 1: out and it's unfortunate. I don't know exactly what's gonna 849 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: come of some of the accusations that he's made, but 850 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,359 Speaker 1: there certainly will be a day in court for all 851 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: of that. And if some of the accusations proved to 852 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: be correct act especially about Mr Ross, the owner of 853 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, it will not bode very well for 854 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 1: him and his future ownership of the Miami Dolphins. Let's 855 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: finish with Rams. Tackle Andrew Whitworth, who was the Walter 856 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: Peyton Man of the Year, had a fantastic speech at 857 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,800 Speaker 1: the NFL honors the other week. By the way, happy 858 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: for him, he now has a Super Bowl ring. Well, 859 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: he's getting advice from all kind of people about his 860 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: possible retirement from the NFL, including a phone call from 861 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,280 Speaker 1: the Great One, Wayne Gretzky lives nearby. They are friends. 862 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,320 Speaker 1: He's been thinking about retiring, still leaning that way, he said, 863 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,399 Speaker 1: but well, Gretzky said that winning multiple championships is even 864 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: better than just one. So he's trying to talk him 865 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 1: into staying with the Rams, But it sounds like Whitworth, 866 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: at least from his words, is still leaning towards calling 867 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,919 Speaker 1: it a career. That's pretty good advice. Yeah, I think 868 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: that's the That's the coolest thing about that is that 869 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,919 Speaker 1: Wayne Gretzky actually calls hme up and says, hey, man, 870 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,760 Speaker 1: come on back for another one, which, of course Wayne 871 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,760 Speaker 1: Gretzky probably has a little bit of a personal interest 872 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,879 Speaker 1: in that because he's a he's an l A guy, 873 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: l A fan. He wants to see the Rams continue 874 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 1: to have success. But that had to be probably a 875 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:23,399 Speaker 1: cool moment for for Whitworth in that, and he still complained, Now, 876 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: this is not a forty year old left tackle that 877 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,879 Speaker 1: was is given a job and there's some young man 878 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 1: that can play way better than him. He's still a 879 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 1: good football player. He still is excellent and past protection. 880 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't do a whole lot as far and as 881 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: far as moving guys in the run game, but he 882 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 1: still can protect the blind side of a quarterback exceptionally well. 883 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: And could he do it again if he wanted to 884 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,399 Speaker 1: at the age of forty one. Absolutely, he could larch. 885 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: Great show. We'll be with you next week. They'll be 886 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: at the Combine and End. Ashland Sullivan will host next 887 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:08,440 Speaker 1: week's show. On Thursday, Joe Fortune Brent Reaverer for Jeff 888 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: flogging in a week off. I mean, I don't know 889 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: about that. I'm J P. Shadrick and it's Jaguars Happy 890 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,240 Speaker 1: Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network