1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Yes, it's way up with Angela Yee, I'm Angela Ye. 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Jasmine from the Jasmine brand is here. Yes, and a 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: good friend of mine is in the building too, Latham Thomas. Hey, now, Latham, 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: we all know your work as Glow Maven follow you 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: on social media and you are the person that I 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: feel one of the people who has really really been 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: spreading the word knowledge about doulas and what doulas do, 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: and also about black maternal health care. 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, and so this all is. 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Culminating every year with the Doula expos So can you 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: talk about that. 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me up here and 13 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 3: so happy to see y'all. 14 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 4: So the Doula Expo by Mama Glow is essentially a 15 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 4: festival that really uplifts birth work and caregiving and families. 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 4: And there's all the brands who really have wrap around 17 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 4: services and offering to support folks. 18 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: And so we have like CVS Health. 19 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 4: And Bobby and LV and all these companies are like, 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 4: really mean something to you if you have a baby. 21 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: Right, we have a. 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 4: Childcare company called VV. This Carol's daughter who we have 23 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 4: a partnership with through Love Delivered and just an amazing 24 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 4: group of organizations that come together and we create this 25 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 4: amazing interactive experience for a weekend. It's a two day festival. 26 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 4: It's a Hudson Yards this year. So we went from 27 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 4: the first year in twenty twenty one in October, we 28 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 4: did it in Bushwick, Brooklyn and very small space, right, 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: and then we upgraded to Williamsburg to a sixteen thousand 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 4: square foot space and now at Hunts and Yards, y'all 31 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 4: we have sixty thousand square feet. Oh wow, that's a 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 4: and so we're taking over the entire space there and 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 4: it's going to be amazing because there's content, there's information, 34 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 4: there's entertainment, so it's really going to be uplifting. But 35 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 4: the theme is birth to the Future, So it's about 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 4: thinking about a vision and future for better birth outcomes, 37 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,639 Speaker 4: you know, safety and dignity in this process, but also 38 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: like what do we want to design, right, Like, how 39 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 4: do we think about like a design for the future 40 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 4: that really centers our needs andwer. 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: That was us So it's really just like a celebration. 42 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: Last time you saw Jasmine, she was pregnant. That was 43 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: during the pandemic and she has since had the baby. Jasmine, 44 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: talk about your experience a though, because you did go 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: through a lot of things. 46 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 5: Yes, so I had. 47 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 6: I was fine up, you know, for a while, and 48 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 6: then towards the end of my pregnancy, I found out 49 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 6: I just didn't feel good. It was the end of 50 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 6: my pregnancy, but I didn't know how it was supposed 51 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 6: to feel, you know, towards the end they say, you know, 52 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 6: I was like I had shortness of breast, like, you know, 53 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 6: I just would wake up and I just couldn't get 54 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 6: it together. I couldn't breathe and I just was my 55 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 6: chest was tight, and my feet had really blew up. 56 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 5: I had. 57 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 6: I was here and I was showing Angela my feet 58 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 6: they were swollen. 59 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 4: Anybody said anything to you or were you able to 60 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 4: talk to your practitioners about it? 61 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 6: So I emailed my my dot my obg y N 62 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 6: and I said, hey, my feet are swelling up, and 63 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 6: she said, like, only be concerned if it's just one foot. 64 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 6: So like, so I was like okay, And my mom 65 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 6: kept saying, I don't know, Jazz, I think, I guess 66 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 6: I don't know. So anyway, we go to an appointment 67 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 6: and and they check my blood pressure and they're like, 68 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 6: oh my gosh, so Anyway, I had preclamcy, so I 69 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 6: had to stay in the hospital. They were trying to 70 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 6: make me wait an additional week so her lungs would develop, 71 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 6: but wasn't able to do that. 72 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 5: So I troduced. I was induced. 73 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 6: I try to have a natural choal birth, but every 74 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 6: time her every time I had a contraction. 75 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 3: Her heart would accelerate. 76 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I end up having an emergency C section. 77 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 6: So anyway, I have preclamson. Apparently this is really calm, 78 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 6: especially if black women, if you're like really young, or 79 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 6: if you're over thirty five apparently and black women apparently, 80 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 6: is are doulas equipped to help in situations like that, 81 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 6: because you know, my partner and I were kind of 82 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 6: lost with what to do. 83 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is. 84 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 4: You know, a great opportunity for education, right because what 85 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 4: adula could do in this setting would be to, you know, 86 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: interact with you more frequently. So even between appointments where 87 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 4: you're not seeing your provider, I might see you or 88 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 4: whoever's looking at you and say, oh, I'm noticing some swelling. 89 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: Because we might en an appointment, I might like rub 90 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 4: your legs and feet while we're talking, so I would notice, 91 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 4: like you're getting a little bit of swelling. 92 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: Is that new for you? 93 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 4: Is that something that just you know was an onset. 94 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 4: We would also be I empower people to also take 95 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 4: their own urine strips. So you can go on Amazon 96 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 4: and you can get these protein strips that you when 97 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: you go to the bathroom, you pee over it, and 98 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 4: it measures like what minerals are present in the urine, 99 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 4: and so protein is present in the urine. That's also 100 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 4: a sign of preeclampsia. And so you could do that 101 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 4: at home for like twenty dollars, right, and then be 102 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 4: able to know and say, hey, I'm seeing this and 103 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: you can inlert your doctor. The swelling in the feet 104 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 4: is really a big sign of foggy thinking, like feeling. 105 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 4: You said, I couldn't feel like I was getting it together. 106 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 5: I couldn't just yeah, especially in the middle of the night, 107 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 5: I just. 108 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: Will be As people might think that's just because I'm pregnant. 109 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not part of it. 110 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 6: And I heard turned towards the end it gets rough, 111 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 6: so I'm thinking like, oh, it's just rough. And I 112 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 6: remember so Angela like, yo, my feet are so big, 113 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 6: Like this is so weird. Yeah, it was kind of 114 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 6: like a sudden, right, Yeah, it was just all of 115 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 6: a sudden. It just kind of just happened. But I 116 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 6: thought I didn't know, and so yeahah. 117 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: So absolutely this This is definitely a thing where you 118 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 4: would have someone who could be seeing some changes and 119 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 4: then say, Okay, here's what I would like you to do. 120 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 4: You know, have your doctor check you know in these ways, 121 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 4: and then yeah, and then have that diagnostic information because 122 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: as soon as they put a blood pressure CUF on, 123 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 4: they would know. 124 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 5: Well, that's not the first thing that they did. 125 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 6: They were just I was just coming for a regular checkup, right, 126 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 6: and so my partner was like, she's not feeling good, Like, 127 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 6: can you check her blood pressure? 128 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: And that's why I was there. 129 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, they rushed her inside, like she's got to 130 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: come inside now. 131 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 4: So they didn't even so they waited until you said, 132 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 4: this is what I'm feeling. 133 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I came in for you know how you come in. Yeah, 134 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 6: guys came in for a regular appointment or whatever. And 135 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 6: I just was like, well, I'm gonna mention to him. 136 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 6: My partner was like, yeah, like, let's just maybe check 137 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 6: your bluff. When I was down for angela ye day, 138 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 6: he was saying why don't you go get something to 139 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 6: check your blood pressure? And because I emailed the doctor 140 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 6: and she said, I think it's okay. I just I 141 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 6: never did it right. 142 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: That's not the time to not be sure, right doctor. 143 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 144 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 4: And also not seeing you, like she needs to see 145 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 4: you and say, hey, let me actually see because because 146 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 4: even if she's thinking like, well, this is what I 147 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: usually see, maybe like one foot is less sweller than 148 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 4: the other, but no, like every individual is different, and 149 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 4: so for you, like if you normally don't get swelling 150 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 4: and now you have a then it's like that's a sign. 151 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 4: And so these are kinds of things that we I'm 152 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 4: glad that you did not, you know, ignore it, and 153 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 4: that you brought it to their attention. But the other 154 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 4: thing is, as soon as you got into that appointment, 155 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 4: they should have had your feet out and been looking 156 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 4: at your whole body right to observe. And and I 157 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 4: think that there's so many misses, right, So many people 158 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 4: don't have the opportunity where someone actually catches it, and 159 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 4: so you get underdiagnosed or misdiagnosed, and you can. 160 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 6: Die, like we know woman that has died. Because you 161 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 6: can have a seizure, you can black out, you can or. 162 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: God forbid, the baby doesn't make it too well. 163 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 6: The the woman died and the baby died and she 164 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 6: didn't know it, and she wasn't feeling well and she 165 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 6: went to the doctor one time. 166 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 5: They didn't catch it. 167 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: And it's very important. 168 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: And the dealer also is there to make you more comfortable. 169 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: I was reading this article, and I read it because 170 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: I thought about you, Latham, about this woman who said 171 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: she quit being a birth doula because of burnout, Yes, burnout, 172 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: and she discussed it, and also just being underpaid and 173 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: also not respected in the way that she should be 174 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: for her line of work, having children of her own, 175 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: and then having to deal with you know, because you 176 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: give it, you're all. 177 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: It's a lot. 178 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: When you're trying to comfort someone else who is having 179 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: a baby and maybe something doesn't happen the way they anticipated. 180 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: They feel like they were a failure. 181 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: You're reassuring them, no, you did everything that you were 182 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: supposed to do. It's just a lot that comes with that. 183 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: So how difficult mentally is it? Because we've never discussed 184 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: that for you being a doula, because you make it 185 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: look so easy, But I know it's in here. 186 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: A fly simple. 187 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: But after reading this article, I was like, damn, that 188 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: is not a game at all. 189 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's interesting that you bring that up because 190 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: we actually did a study at the Modela Foundation called 191 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 4: birth Work or Burnout, and it was based on collecting 192 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 4: data from one hundred doulas from the community about there 193 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: and their experiences inside of the system, their experiences with 194 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 4: over work, with uncompensated labor, because as we know, in 195 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: our community, there is a lot of work that is 196 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: expected of us, but that is not compensated, right, And 197 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 4: so in addition to providing the support that you're supposed 198 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 4: to provide for community inside of doula support, there's also 199 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: interactions that you have that are undignified with care providers 200 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 4: or within hospital systems. There's heavy case loads. There's people 201 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 4: who have high needs and are under resource, and then 202 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: you also have to provide a lot of care for them. 203 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: And so if you think about people who are having 204 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 4: average birth outcomes, or experiencing birth trauma, or just the 205 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 4: complexities of navigating our current medical model, it can be 206 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 4: overwhelming for people. And so then when you go home, 207 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 4: you're exhausted and you still have to do all of 208 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 4: the things like take care of your family, do all 209 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 4: your other things. And most people who are doing this 210 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 4: work do it in addition to something else, right, so 211 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 4: they might be a doula part time or they might 212 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: be full time doing it but also not getting paid 213 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 4: and there where they're supposed to. There are a lot 214 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 4: of community based programs where doulas will get paid not 215 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 4: an equitable wage, and they have to wait and be reimbursed, 216 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 4: so they'll have to wait sometimes months to get paid. 217 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 3: So then you have that right exactly. So that's why. 218 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 4: Private, you know, private work is really important as well 219 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 4: to supplement work within the community. 220 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: You know, New York State, there's like there was. 221 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 4: A a bill presented and also for Governor Hulkel to 222 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: actually increase This is the work of the New York. 223 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: The Nikta. 224 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 4: It's called the New York Doula's Doulah Association, but essentially 225 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: what they were working on was increasing that wage from 226 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: like fifteen hundred to like nineteen hundred, which is still 227 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 4: not enough money, but to get to that space where 228 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 4: Hulkle would sign into law so that for Medicaid reimbursement, 229 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 4: doulas will be able to be paid properly. 230 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: So this is really important, right, Yes, I really. 231 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 6: Do doula's help post because I had a baby and 232 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 6: nick you for a month afterwards, I had to I 233 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 6: had to try to figure out how to still pump, 234 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 6: and then I experienced like postpartum I had and I 235 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 6: was calling Angela trying to talk to her like about 236 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 6: what I'm feeling and stuff so. 237 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: Bad, so good, Yes, because online courses to do that. 238 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 5: That's the online course. 239 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: I have to complete that. 240 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: And but that's one of the things that Lathan we've 241 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: talked about too, is the support after giving. 242 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely, postpartum support is so critically important. 243 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 4: And I think I would argue that even though a 244 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 4: lot of people like really focus on birthless support, there's 245 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: so much that happens to the postpartum period. Because you 246 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 4: don't go see your doctor again for like six weeks 247 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 4: after birth. A lot happens in six weeks, right, And 248 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 4: so having that person who could come and take care 249 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 4: of you, who's there to help you through recovery, through 250 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: getting what to eat, how to take care of yourself 251 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 4: and the baby, and then just like also monitoring how 252 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: you're adjusting to new parenthood because it can be very isolating. Yeah, 253 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 4: it can be depressing, especially especially if you're by yourself. 254 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 4: If you're by yourself and if you're navigating the nick 255 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 4: you right, you need somebody to help you figure out, Okay, 256 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: how do I get milk stuff? Get my milk there? 257 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 4: How to make sure to like, you know, am I 258 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 4: holding my baby like or just. 259 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 5: I'm leaving my baby. 260 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: I'm leaving my baby someway. 261 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, well I left her for she was there for 262 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 6: a month without me. I was and had to be 263 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 6: I yeah, I was devastating and you can't even have 264 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 6: had to change her diac from inside that. 265 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 5: You know, it was just so hard. It's hard to think, 266 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 5: navigate posts. 267 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: And then you're probably looking like hoping that baby is 268 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: not feeling yourself. 269 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 6: They gave her a little blanket like to hold onto 270 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 6: like a like a fake like little bear. And I 271 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 6: was like, I'm leaving her like she's by herself, and 272 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 6: they will put like little blanket. 273 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 5: It's like she's fine. 274 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 6: I'm like no, but I feel like support afterwards, especially critical. 275 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 5: You know, when you have to leave your baby, is 276 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 5: you know. 277 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 4: Yes, because that person can like help you also navigate 278 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: the difficulty and more in the loss of what you 279 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 4: wanted to experience, but then also be in a place 280 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 4: with you around Okay, how do we make sure that 281 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 4: we shore up the support you need to make it 282 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 4: through these next six weeks with the nick you right, 283 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 4: and there's so many things to navigate, right, And then 284 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 4: also how am I setting up the home for you? 285 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 4: How do we make sure that we figure out how 286 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: to get things ready so that when you have to 287 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 4: head there, what's it going to look like like you 288 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 4: doing your work and then holding down the floor and 289 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 4: then how many hours can you spend and can we 290 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 4: rotate with your partner and what will that look like? 291 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: Right? 292 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 4: So, even helping you develop systems around how you navigate 293 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 4: the care postpartum is really like the role too, right, 294 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 4: helping getting family members or friends or like you know, 295 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 4: like organizing so like if you was going to be 296 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: presents like okay, ye and whoever else, like organizing those 297 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 4: people so you have really a team right to kind 298 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 4: of help you. And it's really like village keeping, I 299 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 4: like birth village, right, Like you really need people to 300 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 4: show up for you. And people don't think about like 301 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 4: the mothering the process once you have a baby, you 302 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 4: are so vulnerable and so we think about like holding 303 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: a baby and swaddowing them and not leaving them alone 304 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 4: and taking care of them. We never think we should 305 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 4: never leave new mothers alone. We should never you know, 306 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 4: leave them unattended. 307 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 3: They should always have support. There should always be somebody there. 308 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, But we're not thinking this way because in 309 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 4: this country, one and four women are going back to 310 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: work ten days after having a baby. 311 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: That's a fact. 312 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: They feel like, I have to work from it all 313 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: pay in addition to that. 314 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: But imagine, yeah, ten days later having to go. 315 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: To working place is horrible. 316 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: Or even having a partner who has to go back 317 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: to work and now you're. 318 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 5: Home alone, or not having a partner. 319 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 6: I can't imagine going through this by myself, like you know, 320 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 6: lotally support. 321 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of women go through. 322 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 6: If someone wants to get a doula and they don't, 323 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 6: are their insurance as a cover. What's the range of 324 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 6: how much a doula costs, like low end to high end? 325 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 326 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: Absolutely, so there there is a range, and that's going 327 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 4: to depend on where you are, based on like your 328 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 4: state and like the cost of living in that state. 329 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 4: So you're thinking about New York City for a program 330 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 4: like a city why Doula initiative where doula's get paid. 331 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: I think like between twelve and like nineteen hundred or 332 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 4: something like this. If you're doing private pay work, the 333 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 4: lower end would be like fifteen hundred for a doula 334 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: and the higher end would be like thirty five hundred 335 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 4: something like that. 336 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: So there's a wide range. But a lot of people 337 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: do sliding scale. 338 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: So if you're like, here's what I can afford, then 339 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 4: not to Usually people negotiate like that, so it's usually 340 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 4: not an issue because there's always somebody who can take you. 341 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 4: There's always going to be people who are more experienced 342 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 4: and then folks who are like less so, and so 343 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 4: you can find your way within I think that range. 344 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: But I think it's really important to think about, like 345 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 4: a lot of folks are are reimbursing, and so we're 346 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: going to get to a point where not only just 347 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 4: Medicaid reimbursement will come through for DULA support, but also 348 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 4: private pay. 349 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: So we're going to get to that place. 350 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 4: We are getting closer, but a lot of states are 351 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 4: now having Medicaid reimbursement programs, so it makes it possible 352 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: for folks who cannot afford and we're from communities that 353 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 4: are vulnerable. 354 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: So that's really important. 355 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: But we also I think in terms of the awareness, 356 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 4: like people know what it is now, but I think 357 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 4: that there also needs to be more of an understanding 358 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: of the value of the support somebody can bring, especially 359 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 4: because if you have a baby, right and you're like, 360 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I really think I might need postpartum 361 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 4: support now, you might feel like it's too late, right, 362 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 4: Like a lot of people won't even reach out because 363 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 4: they feel like, oh, I waited too long, or there's 364 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 4: no benefit, or I have support, or I have family. 365 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: But it's not just having family. It's having somebody who 366 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 4: is like a non clinical care provider who is there 367 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 4: for you, who is non judgmental, who is bringing supports 368 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: and skills and advocacy tools and education in ways that 369 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: your family can't write, and who's going to be a 370 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 4: constant presence of support and the critical piece of non 371 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 4: judgment because I know that, like my family is like 372 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 4: they have all of the right everything to say. My 373 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: mother was like do it this, well, Oh my gosh, 374 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 4: you know that that person, right, because you also need 375 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 4: that intermediary because you're because your relationship, right, family of 376 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 4: relationships will be a way where now you're somebody's mom 377 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: or parent, right, but then they're like. 378 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not supposed to do it. 379 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: So the du one can be a really great intermediary 380 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 4: in helping to bring the best out of family members 381 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 4: to show up for you as well. 382 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: Now, another thing at the Dillo Expo that I noticed 383 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: is that it is also good for people who are. 384 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: Trying, yes to conceive. 385 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, So can we talk about those resources that 386 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: people can get for anybody who's listening that's like I 387 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: don't have any children, or I do have kids, but 388 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: I am trying to have another one in and maybe 389 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: it hasn't been easy. 390 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 4: Yes, So there's a lot of resources from vitamin companies. 391 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: There's a really cool ultrasound company if you're early in 392 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 4: that process called My Bump My Baby. There is CBS 393 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 4: Health who's doing a lot of work around healing. They 394 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 4: have this this what they're bringing is like this experiential 395 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 4: space that's about like you know, you know, their whole 396 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 4: thing is like the heart, right, so it's like heart health, 397 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 4: but it's also like you know, thinking about like mending 398 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 4: people from within, and so the energy they're bringing is 399 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 4: about like let's think about holistic, you know, approach to 400 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 4: taking care of people, and so you can come in 401 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 4: and you can get a suite of services delivered to you. 402 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 4: Within the CBS space, there is a Kate Spade Mental 403 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 4: Health House and so there are a mental health partner. 404 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 4: They're going to have a space where people can talk 405 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 4: about the frustrations and challenges and the disappointments that they've 406 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 4: experienced along the pregnancy continuum, if they've been dealing with infertility, 407 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 4: any challenge is also around pregnancy or infant loss right, 408 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 4: because some people have had miscarriage and it's really hard 409 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 4: to get pregnant and then being in a space like 410 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 4: this might be you know, challenging, but it's so festive 411 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 4: and there's so much content and information that I think 412 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 4: that like, if I was on my fertile journey, that 413 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 4: I would want to be in that energy of these 414 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: people who are already in that space and also get 415 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 4: the companionship right of other folks who are like along 416 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 4: that path. And so there's a lot of resources. We 417 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 4: have a lot of amazing content from UH speaker moments 418 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 4: on stage. There is a fertility company that I love 419 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 4: that will be speaking about you know, navigating the fertility path, 420 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 4: but also making sure that it's equitable, because as we know, 421 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 4: if you look at all the ads, you see just 422 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 4: white people, right, And I'm going to tell. 423 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: You us that it's expensive if your insurance doesn't cover. 424 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 6: I paid out of We were trying before I accidentally 425 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 6: got pregnant, and I take it. 426 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 3: I love it. 427 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 6: It was an accident, but I was it was super expensive, 428 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 6: and then I wanted to donate. 429 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: I did about freezing her. 430 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was trying to do all and I was 431 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 6: paying out of pocket. Yeah, and weren't there weren't a 432 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 6: lot of people in the in there that look like me, 433 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 6: not at all. 434 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: And the expectation because people think like, oh, you all 435 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: are fertile. 436 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 4: Right that there's one hundreds of years right of precedent 437 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 4: of this expectation that is obviously like you know, racist, 438 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 4: but and and coming from racist framework that's like built 439 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 4: out of slavery, that comes out of slavery, that says 440 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: that like, yeah, we're we're fertile, we're great breeders, we're 441 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 4: great feeders, right like, And so this idea is, you know, 442 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 4: impacts the kind of care we get and the options 443 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 4: available to us because most of us actually are struggling 444 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 4: to get pregnant, and so so you have people who 445 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 4: don't realize that they're actually in that position, so they're 446 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 4: not going to get the care, they're not going to 447 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 4: get the screenings to figure out whether or not it's 448 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 4: a problem. And then by the time they figure out 449 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: as a problem, sometimes it means that you have to 450 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 4: be more aggressive in the pathway to figure out how 451 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 4: to get pregnant. So that's really important, I think too, right, 452 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 4: just knowing like that we are in a vulnerable position, 453 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 4: many of us, and being able to have the resources 454 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 4: available to have the conversations directly with providers and you know, 455 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 4: service service leaders and providers in the space, and also 456 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 4: can unity people because I think that, like you know, 457 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 4: other practitioners and healthcare systems and people who are interfacing 458 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 4: with folks, most of our experiences like that are you know, 459 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 4: within clinical settings. But this is going to be a festival, right, 460 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 4: so you can just talk to people in a way 461 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 4: and ask the kind of questions that you might not 462 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 4: feel comfortable doing in a clinical setting. And so I 463 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 4: think that that's really a great aspect of of what 464 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 4: the event will be too, And we have amazing people 465 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 4: like Tatiana Ali, who's gonna. 466 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 5: I could have used this before I got pregnant. 467 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: You can still come, might have another one, right, you're 468 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: not sure, I'm not sure. 469 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not sure, but you know I'll have a 470 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: duel next time. 471 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk about this because you and I had a 472 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: conversation during a pandemic about this geriatric pregnancy that was 473 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: me and that we're not. 474 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 3: Doing that term though. 475 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: We have to say, what is a geriatric press I 476 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: saw that word on that paper, I was like, oh 477 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: my god. 478 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: Which is horrifying. Right, how did that make you feel old? 479 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 4: Yes, it didn't make you feel good, right, So geriatric 480 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: we have like really horrifying terminology that's used in medical spaces, 481 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 4: always levied against women. And so so Jerry, extra pregnancy 482 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: is determined when someone is over thirty five years old. 483 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 4: Now we know, okay that at thirty five your body 484 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 4: won't start falling. 485 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: Apart, okay, but that this is the. 486 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 4: Way that the medical system sees us and categorizes us. 487 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 3: Right, And so you have people, you. 488 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 4: Have people going into this process thinking something's wrong with them. 489 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 4: They're also inherently categorizes high risk, right, as a result too, 490 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 4: so that impacts the kind of cure you receive also. 491 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: And people rush to get pregnant too before thirty five 492 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: because they're like, it's going to be too hard after that, 493 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: and I don't want a geriatric pregnancy, right. 494 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 4: But think about this, Think about how would it be 495 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: possible that every single person, regardless of their lifestyle, what 496 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 4: they eat, where they live, how they work, the type 497 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 4: of stress they have, how they metabolize that stress, where 498 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 4: they live in the world, all of those are factors 499 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 4: that impact on fertility factor. Right, So why would thirty five, 500 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 4: why would the age be the only piece, right? And 501 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 4: how is it that no matter what's going on in 502 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 4: each of our lives, Like somebody who's living in Japan 503 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: and living next to the water and eating fish and 504 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 4: has a stress free life at thirty five, and a 505 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 4: person who's like, you know in New York City high 506 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 4: you know, higher job, right, Like that. 507 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 3: Person is not. 508 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 4: Those people at thirty five years old have different biological profiles, 509 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 4: So you can't say that, okay, like this person's feral 510 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 4: and this person's not. 511 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: There are people who in their twenties that like can't 512 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 3: have a baby because of like. 513 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 4: Lifestyle factors and the people who are well into their 514 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 4: forties getting pregnant by accident. Right, So I think it's 515 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 4: really important to like bust through these myths around biological 516 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 4: age and chronological age because they do not run concurrently. 517 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: Okay, see, and the last thing I want to talk 518 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: about because I want to make sure we get back 519 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: to this deala expo is Black Maternal Health Caucus. 520 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 3: Right. 521 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: Do you feel like because I've seen that now that 522 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: was formed, and I just want to ask you, do 523 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: you think that there's a lot more that's being done now? 524 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: Because we've seen in Kamala Harris with her initiatives, they're 525 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: seeing things happening. 526 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: Here in New York. 527 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: You know, as you somebody in this space, do you 528 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: feel like we're moving forward at the rate that you 529 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: would like to see? 530 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 3: The rate could be faster? Right? 531 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 4: If policy could catch up, I think that that would 532 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: be great. I do think we need to deploy more resources, 533 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 4: financial resources into communities that are doing this work, into 534 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: organizations like ours, Mama Glow would be amazing. But I 535 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 4: think that from the legislative level and from a policy landscape, 536 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 4: and then when we look at the fact that the 537 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 4: federal government does have doulas on the agenda. 538 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: That's huge, right. 539 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 4: They did have a maternal health blueprint that they released 540 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 4: last year or yeah, last year, and I think that 541 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 4: was a huge step in really telling the story about 542 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 4: where their policies are and where they want to put 543 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: their resources. And we still need to get the Black 544 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 4: Maternal Health Monu buss completely passed, right, And so I 545 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: love that you brought up the Black Maternal Health Caucus 546 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 4: because this has been a group of people who have 547 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 4: worked tirelessly, tirelessly to compose these bills. This is the 548 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: most comprehensive piece of legislation that addresses maternal health that 549 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 4: we've ever seen, and still only we can only get 550 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 4: pieces of it passed. And so I think that the 551 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 4: work of Senator Corey Booker and Representative Underwood and others 552 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 4: who really been championing this work has been tremendous. But 553 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 4: we have so much We have so much work to 554 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 4: do because we have to convince people on the floor 555 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 4: to vote for it, and the fact that we are 556 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 4: still having to fight not only fight for our lives, 557 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 4: but also fight for our humanity to see to be 558 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 4: seen as important enough to fight for right like that 559 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 4: I think is a problem that like our that our 560 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 4: elected officials do not understand the urgency. And so I 561 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 4: think that the communications need to be Even though we 562 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 4: have obviously great reporting, things like this are so helpful. 563 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 4: Being in a space like this is so important because 564 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 4: you know, a lot of people just do not know 565 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 4: that these things are happening in our community and until 566 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 4: it happens to them, right, So this needs to continue 567 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: to trickle up, I think, but I would like to 568 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 4: see it. 569 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: I would like to see it moving faster. 570 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: And just for some numbers here, according to the CDC, 571 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: black women die at three times their rate of white 572 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: women when it comes to pregnancy related deaths, and so 573 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: it is a crisis that's happening. These numbers aren't lying 574 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: about the disparities and birthing while black, you know, that's 575 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: the whole you should read birthing while Black. But it's 576 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: a national crisis. It is, and that's why legislation does 577 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: need to be passed, and. 578 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 4: It needs to be passed quickly. And I think the 579 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 4: other things for folks to know, like if we talk 580 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 4: about New York City, right, because that average that you 581 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 4: gave is for the nation, right, think about New York City, 582 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 4: where you think, Okay, we have resources, it should be equitable, 583 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 4: the care should everybody should getting the same care because 584 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 4: we think because we all read the subway together. So 585 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 4: no black women are eight to twelve times are likely 586 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 4: in New York to die, right, you know, in relation 587 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 4: to their white counterparts. 588 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: So that's huge. 589 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: Like, so it's like we are literally in a place 590 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 4: where we have to find solution. What I love about 591 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 4: the Doula Expo is that it is grounded in solution 592 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 4: and in a future of our own design. Likes not 593 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 4: waiting for people to say, here's what we're going to 594 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: do for you know, We're going to figure out also 595 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 4: with the tools and the resources we have for ourselves, 596 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 4: how to design something different, how to design something for 597 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 4: the future that really does center the outcomes that we 598 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 4: desire because we got. 599 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: To get there. 600 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like our future depends on it. In future generations 601 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 4: depend on it. Our children need us, right, children deserve 602 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 4: to also grow up with us. 603 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: See, ever since I met Lateth them, anytime I see 604 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: an article or anything about doulas or black materennial health, 605 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm always reading it, And honestly, I have to say, 606 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: you're the person that's the catalyst for that for me 607 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: to always pay attention. 608 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 6: You don't want to told me about her and doulas. 609 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 6: I never really thought about it until you and I 610 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 6: had a conversation about it. 611 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: Right, So hopefully these conversations sprike people who are listening 612 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: to also pay attention to that. And let's talk about 613 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: the Doula Expo. Where can people get tickets? It's at 614 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: Hudson Yards this year, every. 615 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 2: Single year, growing growing space. 616 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: The numbers, the sponsors, so tell people the information so 617 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: they can make it through. 618 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: Awesome. 619 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 4: So doula Expo dot com. It's d O U l 620 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 4: a e xpo dot com and there's tickets there and 621 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 4: you can come and it's affordable and you can spend 622 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 4: the weekend. 623 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 3: Again. 624 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 4: You can bring your children. If you have little ones, 625 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 4: we have a play space an area for them. If 626 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: you're not pregnant yet, still come. If you've got older children, 627 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 4: still come. We have food, we have entertainment. It's a 628 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 4: family affairs, so don't miss it. We can't wait to 629 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 4: see you. 630 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you just want to support people, definitely come. 631 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: If you're thinking about becoming a. 632 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: Doula, yes, come. Yeah. If you know somebody that you're like, 633 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: she would be amazing as an Angela. 634 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Angela's gonna be there. 635 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 4: And it's not just for doulas, right like here, workers, 636 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 4: anybody who's just like in the space of like health care. 637 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 4: It's an important place to be because there are so 638 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 4: there's also connections to organizations and what I love about 639 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 4: it too is that people end up interconnecting and then 640 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 4: like business wise, it's a really great networking space too. 641 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 4: If you are in this you know, sort of healthcare 642 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 4: arena and focus on you know, like women's reproductive health. 643 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 4: So I would say like, if that's your if that's 644 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 4: your leaning, come hang out with us, because we do it. 645 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: We do it fresh. 646 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you late. I'm always a pleasure 647 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: to have you on. I know we're going to see 648 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: you again. 649 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, you cannot wait for that, all right 650 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: It's way up at the Angela Ye.