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Speaker 3: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 4: What do we have.

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Speaker 1: Crystal massive, massive breaking news this morning. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the Iranian president is dead after helicopter crash in a

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Speaker 5: We're going to have.

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Speaker 1: Doctor treat to Parsi on to talk about that and

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Speaker 1: what the implications are, which of course are massive.

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Speaker 5: That is not the only massive breaking news we have

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Speaker 1: The International Criminal Court Prosecutor has issued an application for

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Speaker 1: arrest warrants against bab Net Nyahoyo have Galant, along with

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Speaker 1: that down for you as well. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: we've got lots of domestic political news. President Biden spoke

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Speaker 1: so we'll break that down for you. We're also getting

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Speaker 2: Well the news gods, whenever it rains, I guess it

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Speaker 6: So what we know now is that the helicopter that

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Speaker 6: There's no evidence at this point that there has been

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Speaker 6: Weather conditions that not only caused the crash of the

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Speaker 6: We're not yet at this stage in which you can

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Speaker 6: This is obviously tremendously significant and long time in the making.

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Speaker 6: This same scenario is now going to exist for Natanio.

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Speaker 4: But I think the bigger story is what this.

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Speaker 4: Regardless of these different developments.

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Speaker 6: truly put an end to any fantasy that the United

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Speaker 6: States stands for some sort of a rule.

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Speaker 4: Space international order.

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Speaker 6: We already saw some of this during the Trump years,

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Speaker 6: and then it was treated as a grotesque violation of

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Speaker 6: international norms to threaten to sanction judges of the ICC.

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Speaker 6: If members or Congress now go forward with this, it

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Speaker 6: will really significantly undermine the United States on the global

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Speaker 6: stage for such a measure. But for the bide Remonstration,

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Speaker 6: this is going to be extremely tricky to deal with.

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Speaker 6: You have this massive upswelling of pressure on the bide

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Speaker 6: Remonstration for almost all directions at this point, and so

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Speaker 6: far they have resisted all of it, and quite unsuccessfully,

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Speaker 6: I would say, because it has come at a.

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Speaker 4: Tremendous cost to the US itself.

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Speaker 6: But it further now undermines the administration's ability to pursue

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Speaker 6: its policies on Ukraine, etc. Without dealing with a massive

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Speaker 6: double standard, because the fact that ICC had issued those

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Speaker 6: warrants on the Putin was a very critical element estifying

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Speaker 6: the US's support for Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Parsi, we are extremely grateful for some of your

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Speaker 1: time this morning. I know you are very much in

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Speaker 1: demand today, so thank you so much for spending some

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Speaker 1: time with us.

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Speaker 3: You understand this.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Great to have doctor Parci there and his thoughts on

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Speaker 1: obviously incredibly consequential warning. We have a little bit of

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Speaker 1: footage of the ICC prosecutor talking specifically about the charges

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Speaker 1: against net and Yahoo and Yoav Glant.

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Speaker 5: Let's go and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 7: I can also confirm today that I have reasonable grounds

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Speaker 7: to believe, on the basis of evidence collected and examined

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Speaker 7: by my office, that he is Raeli Prime Minister Benjamin

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Speaker 7: nettan Yahoo and Minister of Defense. You have gallant bear

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Speaker 7: criminal responsibility for the following international crimes committed on the

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Speaker 7: territory of the State of Palestine from at least the

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Speaker 7: eighth of October twenty twenty three. The crimes include starvation

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Speaker 7: civilians as a method of warfare, wilfully causing great suffering,

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Speaker 7: serious injury to body or health, or cruel treatment, wilful

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Speaker 7: killing or murder, and intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population,

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Speaker 7: as well as crimes against humanity of extermination and or murder, persecution,

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Speaker 7: and allegations of crimes of committing other inhuman acts. Israel,

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Speaker 7: like all states, has the right to defend its population.

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Speaker 7: It has every right to ensure the return of hostages

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Speaker 7: that have been criminally and callously taken. Those rights, however,

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Speaker 7: do not absolve Israel of its obligations to comply with

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Speaker 7: international humanitarian law.

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Speaker 1: So Zager, there's obviously a lot that's extraordinary and note

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Speaker 1: worthy about this.

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Speaker 5: First of all, the fact.

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Speaker 1: That they charged both top Israeli leadership and top Hammas leadership,

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Speaker 1: I think takes away one of the talking points you would.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise hear, which is what about the crimes of Hamas.

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Speaker 1: I also think it will be very interesting to see

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Speaker 1: the response of people who are Israel supporters versus the

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Speaker 1: pro Palestinian crowd who are likely to welcome these investigations

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Speaker 1: across the board. I think you're very likely to see

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Speaker 1: a more selective reaction from the Israeli side. Yes, go

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Speaker 1: after Hamas, don't go after Israel. Very noteworthy in terms

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Speaker 1: of Israel's increasingly clear status as a pariah state. This

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Speaker 1: comes as there were additional requests from South Africa at

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Speaker 1: the ICJ to issue immediate injunctions as Israel continues their

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Speaker 1: ground invasion in Rafa. It comes at a particularly tenuous

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Speaker 1: moment in terms of Israeli US relations, and now you

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Speaker 1: have the specter of okay, Joe Biden, if you are

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Speaker 1: shipping weapons and unconditionally supporting Netanyahu at this point, you

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Speaker 1: are unconditionally supporting someone who the ICC is alleging is

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Speaker 1: a war criminal. And you know, right after you issued

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Speaker 1: this report from the State Department saying no, no, it's

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Speaker 1: still fine, and yeah, there may be war crimes, but

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Speaker 1: we really can't quite say so. It makes it more

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Speaker 1: difficult for them, has potential implications, criminal implications for US

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Speaker 1: officials as well.

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Speaker 5: And in spite of the fact.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know everyone will say, well, they don't think,

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Speaker 1: it's not like they have a police force to go

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Speaker 1: in and actually arrest Netanyah who There are still massive

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Speaker 1: global implications for these actions, and I think we know

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Speaker 1: that from the fact that bb Net Nyaho himself was

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Speaker 1: kind of freaking about on about this, and we have

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Speaker 1: yet to get a response from the Israeli side.

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Speaker 3: There's a couple different ways this can go.

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Speaker 2: One of the ways I've been thinking about it is

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Speaker 2: there's some inflection points previously, so League of Nations, you know,

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirty two, nineteen thirty three, roughly like that. I

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Speaker 2: have it in front of me, the Japanese withdraw from

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Speaker 2: the League of Nations after the League of Nations condemns

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Speaker 2: the Japanese invasion of Mensuria. So what does that actually

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Speaker 2: lead to? At least kind of a reduction in the

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Speaker 2: international system. The idea of cooperation is a major turning

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Speaker 2: point in the road to World War two and US intervention.

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Speaker 3: So there's That's one way that it could go.

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Speaker 2: Is that we could basically see a collapse of international

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Speaker 2: legitimacy for the major powers as in the West, and

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Speaker 2: the Israel allied nations in the US and others explicitly

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Speaker 2: pulling their support. That's one possible way, especially considering both

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Speaker 2: who wins our election, the way that that's going to go,

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Speaker 2: and how the Israelis decide to respond. So Japan like

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Speaker 2: that nineteen thirty three basically said Okay, screw you, you

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Speaker 2: don't have any enforcement power. We're just going to keep

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Speaker 2: doing what we're doing on steroids. That's one possible Israeli reaction.

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Speaker 2: The thing is, though, in the context of Israeli domestic politics,

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Speaker 2: this could be could be I want to say, one

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Speaker 2: of the jump off points for where they're like, we

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Speaker 2: got to get rid of in that and now it

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Speaker 2: is such a problem for us both in terms of

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Speaker 2: international legitimacy and in the legitimate prosecution of this war,

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Speaker 2: which is legitimate at least in the eyes of the

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Speaker 2: Israeli people.

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Speaker 3: So for example, can we put.

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Speaker 2: B one please up on the screen we have you know,

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Speaker 2: currently the Benny Gantz, who is part of the wartime

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Speaker 2: coalition notably not charged right by the ICC. Here a

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Speaker 2: June eighth deadline for the Prime Minister to quote make

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Speaker 2: a post war plan or he will bolt the coalition.

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Speaker 2: So this could be the exit ramp that the non

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Speaker 2: Netanyahu aligned forces in Israel needed. They recognize this is

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Speaker 2: a very small country of only a few million people.

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Speaker 2: They are heavily reliant on import and export. Their ability

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Speaker 2: to conduct global trade and to export to the great

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Speaker 2: power nations is literally the backbone of the Israeli economy.

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Speaker 2: International legitimacy is the only thing that floats this entire country,

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Speaker 2: including aid from all of the Western powers. Now they've

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Speaker 2: always had, you know, a hands off relationship with the UN,

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Speaker 2: but it's a whole other thing to have your prime

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Speaker 2: minister literally unable to travel to other nations, which is

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Speaker 2: a possible side effect of this. So I see this

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Speaker 2: as you know, two separate things. It really is. It

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Speaker 2: could lead to a collapse of the international system kind

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Speaker 2: of as we know it in terms of any rules

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Speaker 2: based international order. I'm not to say that it wasn't

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Speaker 2: already collapsing, just a further collapse. Or it could be

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Speaker 2: an off ramp for the US and for Israel to

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Speaker 2: finally get rid of Netanyahu.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the two ways it could go.

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Speaker 5: Major question marks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in one sense, this actually helps to legitimize

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Speaker 1: the international order because one of the knocks against the

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Speaker 1: ICC is, oh, they only ever prosecute US adversaries and

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Speaker 1: basically African despots that's part of why it's so consequential

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Speaker 1: to charge both Baby NATANYAHUO and Defense Minister Yoav Goalant.

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Speaker 1: So my understanding is there's three members of the Israeli

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Speaker 1: security cabinet, the wartime cabinet. It's Nyao Galant and Benny Gantz, right,

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Speaker 1: so two of the three not charged with war crimes.

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Speaker 1: I haven't done a fulsome reading of the application because

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Speaker 1: a lot of moving pieces this morning, but I did

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Speaker 1: a little skimming, and a lot of what they talk

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Speaker 1: about and point to is the starvation and the siege

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Speaker 1: as war crimes against the Palestinian people. And obviously yoof

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Speaker 1: Golant directly implicated and directly talking up that policy. He's

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Speaker 1: the one who famously infamously announced, immediately we are instituting

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Speaker 1: a complete siege. These are human animals and they will

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Speaker 1: be treated as such. They point to the closing of

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Speaker 1: several critical border crossings. So that was one of the

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Speaker 1: things that made this sort of undeniable, is you don't

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Speaker 1: have any argument of like, oh, we're just targeting comas

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Speaker 1: and human shields, et cetera, et cetera. When you're doing

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Speaker 1: this sort of collect clear announcing, clear collective punishment and

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Speaker 1: starvation as a weapon of war against the civilian population.

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Speaker 5: So I think that's how yoev.

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Speaker 1: Goalant you know, becomes sort of undeniably tangled up in

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Speaker 1: this you know, likely arrest warrant, this application for arrest

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Speaker 1: warrants that's now been issued, you know, in terms of

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Speaker 1: how Israeli society will react, and is this an off

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Speaker 1: ramp for the you know, anti BEB forces, which we

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Speaker 1: should be very clear are not anti war forces, but

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Speaker 1: they're more amenable to, Hey, we need you know, a

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Speaker 1: hostage deal, and hey, maybe we should figure out what

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Speaker 1: the hell we're going to do after this war is over.

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Speaker 1: That's their critique of Netanyahu's direction here. Complicating for you know,

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Speaker 1: this creating a schism is the fact that yo of

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Speaker 1: Golant is one of the people who prior to Gance

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Speaker 1: gave a very similar press conference saying, hey, we got

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Speaker 1: to you know, we got to have a plan for

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Speaker 1: a day after and hey, Netanyaho, this is a real problem,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So it truly is an extraordinary development.

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Speaker 1: It makes it very difficult for the Biden administration and

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Speaker 1: how they're going to.

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Speaker 5: Talk about this. Previously, the Biden.

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Speaker 1: Administration's position is has been not to weigh in on

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Speaker 1: the veracity of the crimes themselves, but to argue that

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Speaker 1: the ICC doesn't have jurisdiction in this instance, which even

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Speaker 1: that my understanding is, you know, that's very hypocritical of them,

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Speaker 1: because it's very similar circumstances under which they charge Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 1: and the US State Department and the US government supported

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Speaker 1: those charge. Just now you have very similar set of

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Speaker 1: legal facts in terms of jurisdiction, and they're saying no, no, no, here,

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Speaker 1: we don't think that they have jurisdiction. But that's kind

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Speaker 1: of been their ount, similar to the ount that they've

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Speaker 1: used at the ICJ, saying and just to remind people,

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Speaker 1: ICJ is for the country itself.

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Speaker 5: ICC is for the individuals.

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Speaker 1: That's why you have direct arrest warrants for individual people here,

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Speaker 1: whereas the ICJ is about the prosecution of the government's

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Speaker 1: prosecution of the war overall and allegations that that is

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Speaker 1: tantamount to genocide. Of course, you've had Republicans who have

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Speaker 1: been even more aggressive against the ICC, sending an extraordinary

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Speaker 1: letter threatening the ICC and the members of the ICC

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Speaker 1: specifically and threatening to sanction their family members and indicating

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Speaker 1: directly there will be some sort of retaliation against them

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Speaker 1: personally if they move forward with these charges. So we'll

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Speaker 1: have to wait and see what that reaction is as well.

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Speaker 1: And Sager, the ICC prosecutor, in this statement that he

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Speaker 1: made specifically, you know, didn't directly call out Republicans by name,

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Speaker 1: but we know who he was referring to, told them

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Speaker 1: they know they needed to cut it out. Basically, they

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Speaker 1: needed to stop this threatening and these attempts to bully

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Speaker 1: and intimidate the International Criminal Court.

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Speaker 5: So quite a noteworthy development.

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Speaker 3: To be honest.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that the lack of enforcement could

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Speaker 2: be a real problem for them. You're saying it strengthening

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Speaker 2: in them. It's like, well, if you can't do anything

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Speaker 2: about it. I mean, for example, is bb Netanya Who's

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Speaker 2: still going to come to the United States?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Probably? Is he probably going to be able to

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Speaker 3: travel or not a part of that? No, I understand that.

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like he'll come here, is he going

661
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Speaker 2: to be party to maybe states in Europe or you know,

662
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Speaker 2: India or any of the other major powers. I mean,

663
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Speaker 2: that would actually lead to a collapse of any sort

664
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Speaker 2: of legitimacy. Now, again, I don't really believe that these

665
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Speaker 2: bodies are all that legitimate necessarily in the first place.

666
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Speaker 2: Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with the underlying conclusion,

667
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Speaker 2: I think it just comes back to how the Israelis

668
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Speaker 2: themselves are going to conduct this, because I could very

669
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Speaker 2: easily see a backlash in terms of Israeli society.

670
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Speaker 3: What does the BBE keep saying, if we have.

671
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Speaker 2: To go alone, we will go alone, which, by the way,

672
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Speaker 2: please do you know I want you to go alone?

673
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Speaker 3: I think you should.

674
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Speaker 2: You should bear one hundred percent responsibility for one hundred

675
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Speaker 2: percent of your actions without being underwritten by the great powers.

676
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Speaker 3: But I'm also not naive.

677
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Speaker 2: I know that our political system is one hundred percent

678
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: going to support them no matter what. So I do

679
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: think it could lead in an unfortunately and darker direction.

680
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Speaker 2: We could see both Gallant and Bebe just say, okay,

681
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Speaker 2: well they've given you know, this is the most that

682
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Speaker 2: they possibly have in their quiver. Now we have no

683
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Speaker 2: option but to go into Rafa and do what we

684
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Speaker 2: were going to do.

685
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Speaker 3: Regardless of this situation.

686
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Speaker 2: You know, it's a bit difficult to believe because Biden

687
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: has been all over the map. He says, I will

688
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: withhold weapons, but I didn't withhold any weapons. I may

689
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Speaker 2: withhold weapons. I don't know what all of that looks like.

690
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Speaker 2: I remain very much in a wait and see mode.

691
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Speaker 2: I do not think that. I mean, I know for

692
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Speaker 2: certain that no, nothing is ever going to happen to who.

693
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Speaker 2: In terms of how the rest of the world reacts,

694
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Speaker 2: it's it's a very open question, especially in terms of

695
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Speaker 2: diplomacy on behalf of the US.

696
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Speaker 3: And we have an election in six months. I mean,

697
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Speaker 3: Trump literally.

698
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Speaker 2: Could get elected and it'll be like this entire thing

699
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Speaker 2: is fake. He could withdraw from the United Nations. I mean,

700
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Speaker 2: in response to someone like this, I wouldn't put that

701
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Speaker 2: actually off the table.

702
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

703
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Speaker 1: Well, another question that we haven't talked through either is

704
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Speaker 1: for the European countries who are art that's right to

705
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Speaker 1: the ICC and are under obligation too. If you know,

706
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Speaker 1: arrest warrants our issue to actually arrest net Yahoo. What

707
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Speaker 1: does this do to them? And you know, we're very

708
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Speaker 1: dismissive of the ICC here. European countries are much less

709
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Speaker 1: dismissive of the ICC and are much more bought into

710
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Speaker 1: its actions. So that's why I don't think you can

711
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Speaker 1: just say, well, it doesn't matter, because clearly bybe fixed

712
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: it matters. And what direction does it harden? Is there

713
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Speaker 1: like a rally around the flag effect? Domestically it is

714
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Speaker 1: very possible, But even with that, it continues to travel

715
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Speaker 1: them along the path of a pariah state. And obviously,

716
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Speaker 1: I mean the the big context here is that none

717
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Speaker 1: of their actions and their ability to throw their weight

718
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: around and take these unbelievable rid not only with regard

719
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Speaker 1: to just like the slaughter of Palestinians and you know,

720
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Speaker 1: continued ethnic cleansing of Palestines both in the Gaza strip

721
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Speaker 1: in the West Bank, the settlement pells all of that,

722
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Speaker 1: but also with regard to I mean, assassinating atop Israeli

723
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Speaker 1: military official and Damascus in their embassy building. Do you

724
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Speaker 1: think that they would feel comfy doing that if they

725
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Speaker 1: didn't think that we had their back with you obviously yeah,

726
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Speaker 1: so in any case, Yeah, as much as BB may bluster,

727
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Speaker 1: I were, you know, we'll do it on our own.

728
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: We don't need you, et cetera, et cetera. He more

729
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: than anyone knows that is utter and complete bullshit that

730
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Speaker 1: he is just peddling to an Israeli domestic audience. So

731
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Speaker 1: I agree with you a lot of question marks about

732
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Speaker 1: how this plays out, what impact it has, what direction

733
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Speaker 1: things go in. But I think one thing is clear.

734
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Speaker 1: There will be an impact from it. It will not

735
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Speaker 1: be a nothing here. And you know, huge implications for

736
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Speaker 1: how the Biden administration handles this, for how the Europeans

737
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Speaker 1: handle this, for Israel's legitimacy, for media, you know, narratives

738
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Speaker 1: about you know, how they're thinking about this conflict and

739
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Speaker 1: talking about Net Yahoo, et cetera. So anyway, that's the

740
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Speaker 1: kind of big context there. If we could go to

741
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Speaker 1: the second element we have here, which adds oder to

742
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Speaker 1: what you were saying about the domestic political context, you

743
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: now have a full on revolt within the wartime coalition.

744
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Speaker 1: You have one government minister telling Haretz about net Nyahu.

745
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: His mood recently has been delusional and dangerous. He's lost

746
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Speaker 1: it and we are all going down with him. In

747
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Speaker 1: his view, everyone can pay any price as long as

748
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Speaker 1: he survives. This is the These are the type of

749
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Speaker 1: statements being leaked now to the Israeli press and comes

750
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Speaker 1: on the heels of you have top generals who were

751
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Speaker 1: briefing against Natanya who You had the Defense Minister of

752
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Speaker 1: Klan Now, also an alleged war criminal, who was giving

753
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Speaker 1: a press conference against Natania. You have the third member

754
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Speaker 1: of the Israeli war cabinet, Benny Gantz, also going against NETANYAHUO.

755
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: And you have an increasing awareness saga within the Israeli

756
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: public that this war has been a failure, the hostages

757
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: are not back, and there's no end. The best they're

758
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Speaker 1: doing now is recovering the dead bodies of some of

759
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Speaker 1: their hostages and trying to paint that as a win.

760
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: Hamas is not defeated and Hamas is not cornered in Rafa.

761
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Speaker 1: They're having to go back in and sustain casualties and

762
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Speaker 1: losses on the Israeli side in northern Gaza, where they

763
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Speaker 1: had previously presented to their population a sort of mission

764
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Speaker 1: accomplished view. There's been a huge economic impact. You still

765
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Speaker 1: have huge numbers of Israelis who displaced from the northern

766
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Speaker 1: part of Israel as the ongoing tit for tat war

767
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Speaker 1: against Hezbolah continues on that front. So there's an increasing

768
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Speaker 1: domestic recognition that the purported war aims have not been

769
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Speaker 1: accomplished and that there is no hope of accomplishing them,

770
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Speaker 1: and Biebe is just basically trying to draw on any

771
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Speaker 1: questions about what the hell happens next, because that's his

772
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Speaker 1: best bet to try.

773
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Speaker 5: To hang out in the power.

774
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Speaker 2: And we saw the protests actually erupped on the streets

775
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Speaker 2: of Tel Aviv, and this is incredible. This is tens

776
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Speaker 2: of thousands of people who took to the streets just

777
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Speaker 2: days ago after Benny Gantz gave that ultimatum to Netagnyahu.

778
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Speaker 2: And it's actually the very first time that an opposition

779
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Speaker 2: leader has now spoken at the Tel Aviv rally. So

780
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Speaker 2: the warktime coalition is falling apart. There's basically no question

781
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Speaker 2: about it. This is going to be Netaya, who's ultimate

782
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu move. I wouldn't put it past him. He

783
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Speaker 2: is the ultimate and the consummate survivor.

784
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Speaker 3: He's survived.

785
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's been what is he the longest serving

786
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Speaker 2: prime minister in the Israeli history. He's been basically either

787
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Speaker 2: prime minister or a major figure in Israeli politics since

788
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Speaker 2: I was born. For the last thirty years, helped scuttle

789
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Speaker 2: many the more peaceful times and Israeli history. And in

790
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: many ways this is like a big project they've been

791
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Speaker 2: working on, and then of course also bears the ultimate

792
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: failure for what happened on October seven. So it could

793
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Speaker 2: be that this be, you know, this is what finally

794
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Speaker 2: pushes them over the edge. It really could I easily

795
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Speaker 2: see that as a jump off point.

796
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Speaker 5: It's a possibility.

797
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Speaker 1: We shouldn't say this is the foregone conclusion at all,

798
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Speaker 1: and you wouldn't want to bet against this man who

799
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: seems to you know, survive every other you know, he

800
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: was facing these huge corruption charges which he continues to face,

801
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: by the way, and that's part of the reason we

802
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: don't talk about it a lot. As part of the

803
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: reason he wants to keep this war going is to

804
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Speaker 1: avoid having to sort of pay the piper on those

805
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: corruption charges as well. So could this be the thing

806
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: that ultimately brings him down?

807
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 5: Don't know.

808
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: But it's also we're saying, you know, I'm not going

809
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Speaker 1: to say nothing would be different if you had, say

810
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Speaker 1: Benny Gantz in there as Prime minister.

811
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Speaker 5: But we shouldn't fool ourselves.

812
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Speaker 1: About These are all very hawkish, very right wing individuals.

813
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: Now they may not have you know, Ben Gavier and

814
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: Smotridge like running the police department and as influential voices

815
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: within their cabinet. But these are also very hardline and

816
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: very hawkish figures. One thing I wanted to get your

817
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: reaction to Sager in terms of the ultimatum that was

818
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: issued by Benny Gantz is he called for for the

819
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: quote unquote day after in Gaza to create an international

820
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Speaker 1: civilian civilian governance mechanism including American, European, Arab and Palestinian elements,

821
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Speaker 1: which will also serve as a basis for a future

822
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Speaker 1: alternative that is not Hamas and is not the PA.

823
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Speaker 1: So you know, that's the moderate solution is instead of

824
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: direct Israeli military occupation, we're.

825
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Speaker 5: Going to have we're going to get the Americans involved too.

826
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Speaker 2: Gay Lucky, Yes, Sager, Well, I mean it's bipartisan. It

827
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't be Israel if they weren't looking for us to

828
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Speaker 2: solve their problems.

829
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean it's ridiculous.

830
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Speaker 2: I don't think that we're I do think that we're

831
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: foolish enough to fall for it, since we're the ones

832
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: were this dumb ass peer literally on the side, and

833
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: you know it's costing hundreds of millions of dollars.

834
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Speaker 3: American serv service members are at risk. All of this.

835
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Speaker 2: It's easy. This has been Israeli planned from day one.

836
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: People can see. I know, I've been all over it

837
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: in my own twitter feed. I think I have seven

838
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: examples of Israeli's either Israeli government officials who are trying

839
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: to either get us to occupy Gaza on their behalf,

840
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: either fund the occupation of Gaza on their behalf, take

841
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: in Palestinians on their behalf, and so many others, you know,

842
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 2: assist them in basically getting the people out of there

843
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: so they don't have to deal with it. So all

844
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Speaker 2: of this should be viewed with a very very close eye.

845
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Speaker 2: And I do think though this is part of why

846
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Speaker 2: is If let's say BBI does lose international legitimacy, well,

847
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: then Israel wants to continue its international legitimacy to basically

848
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Speaker 2: get the West to co sign all of their actions.

849
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Speaker 2: The best way to do that is to pick a

850
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Speaker 2: new leader who is yeah, exactly to kick came out

851
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: and continue a bipartisan policy which is largely popular in

852
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Speaker 2: the country.

853
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Speaker 3: So I'll be honest.

854
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we also just had meetings between Jake Sullivan and

855
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: the Saudis and they're still pushing this Saudi normalization deal

856
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: that would include some sort of a path to a

857
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Speaker 1: two state solution. Biden talked about it in his Morause address,

858
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: which we'll show you in a little while. But to me,

859
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Speaker 1: it just underscores what a fantasy world the US political class,

860
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Speaker 1: both Democrats and Republicans, but in some ways more the

861
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Speaker 1: Democrats have been operating in and I mean and that

862
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Speaker 1: you have gone and Benny Ganson, these people are operating

863
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Speaker 1: in too, where it's oh, well, what about the day after. Well,

864
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Speaker 1: it's been really clear from the beginning that there was

865
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Speaker 1: no plan for a day after because the whole original

866
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Speaker 1: idea and actually John Meerscheimer gave a speech recently that

867
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Speaker 1: I was watching. I thought he laid this out brilliantly.

868
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Speaker 1: The initial plan was we're going to push these people out.

869
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Speaker 1: We want ethnic cleansing. Remember they were shopping all these

870
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Speaker 1: plans of how they could do that. To be be

871
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Speaker 1: talking about quote unquote fitting out the population.

872
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Speaker 5: They weren't able.

873
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Speaker 1: To succeed at actually pushing people out, migrating them out,

874
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Speaker 1: although that is certainly not off the table, and they

875
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Speaker 1: continue to push in that direction, et cetera. And so

876
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: instead it changed to the goal of just well, we're

877
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: just going to annihilate the entire Gaza strip. There's just

878
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: going to be massive amounts of bloodletting and civilian casualties.

879
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: And you know, there isn't going to be a plan

880
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: either for defeating Hamas or what comes after. It's just

881
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: going to be about revenge for the sake of revenge

882
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: and hoping that's sufficient for the domestic domestic political population.

883
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: This has been clear from the very very early days

884
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: of this Onslaught and Ta Gaza. And so now that's

885
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: part of why this conversation is always so preposterous, both

886
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: on the Israeli side and on the American side, like

887
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: we're still out there having these supposedly serious conversations about

888
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: normalizing relations with Saudi in exchange for some path to

889
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: state solution path when these Raelies, especially now, have been

890
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: incredibly clear like we don't want that, we will do

891
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: everything in our power to thwart that, we will never

892
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: go in that direction, etc. So it just creates a

893
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: completely absurd situation where everyone is denying the reality that

894
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: is so undeniably clear in front.

895
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 5: Of their eyes.

896
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: No, I think you're right, all right, let's.

897
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: Move on to the US domestic political context, because we

898
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: continue to have these absolutely insane legislative actions that are

899
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: being taken. Let's put this up on the screen. We

900
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: had all but three Republicans and plus sixteen Democrats voting

901
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: for this completely insane bill that would force Biden to

902
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: continue weapons transfers to Israel, and if he doesn't send

903
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: every weapon at the moment it's requested, then they will

904
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: actually defund parts of our own defense department. Sager, and

905
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: these are this is the party that was branding itself

906
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: as quote unquote America First, and they're actually putting us

907
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: below this foreign hour that has dragged us into a

908
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: disastrous situation.

909
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: I use the word ally. That's not necessarily a word

910
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 3: I would use.

911
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: But I would say vote Republicans. Republicans never called themselves

912
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: American first. Trump called himself America first.

913
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 5: If any of these people did too, though.

914
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: Maybe a lot of these people have died in.

915
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: All right, So three, all but three Republicans ended up

916
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: voting for it, sixteen Democrats. The only reason Democrats voted

917
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: against the bill was to not constrain President Biden's options.

918
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: It's not as if that they don't agree. This actually

919
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: is probably going to be increased now after the ICC

920
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: warrants have been issued. Of course, there is no cause

921
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: more uniting, you know, to the Republican Caucus currently than

922
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: you know, complete subservience to the State of Israel. The

923
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: bill is actually titled the Israeli Security Assistants Act and

924
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: look Chesennate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has said that he

925
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: will not bring into the floor, But it's one of

926
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: those open questions where I think the ICC the stuffrig

927
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: genuinely does change the equation because Republicans are now going

928
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: to have multiple bills that are already under consideration in

929
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: the House of Representatives to both retaliate against the ICC

930
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: and probably to accelerate weaponshipments to the State of Israel.

931
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, we wanted to highlight this one just because

932
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: it does. It really shows you, I think, who you

933
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: know they serve in Congress. This would include again defunding

934
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: separate departments of the DoD in exchange for not send it.

935
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: And here's the irony, We're still sending them weapons. Right

936
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: the day after he said I won't be sending them anymore, web,

937
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: we sent them a billion dollars worth of weaponshipments, including artillery,

938
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: like the most basic functions of their military. It's not

939
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: like they aren't getting ninety eight point nine percent of

940
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: what they want. It's like a few things which may

941
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: be withheld What did he say, may be withheld in

942
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: the case of a major invasion?

943
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: Of course, that you know remains to be seen.

944
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: But since then they've already announced another billion dollars in

945
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. There is a huge I think

946
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: there's something like six hundred thousand people who have already

947
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: been displaced from Rafa. There is a huge, very significant,

948
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: I would say, definitely major.

949
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 5: That was the word that they used.

950
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: Major ground invasion in Rafa, major military action in Rafa.

951
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 5: And they're just continue and shod more ones.

952
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's insane to imagine the problem

953
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: with Joe Biden's policy is that he's not pro Israel enough.

954
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: But that is the stance that some Democrats like John

955
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: Fetterman and Richie Torres and the like are taking. Those

956
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: are the types of people fetterments in the Senate. But

957
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: Torres and Gotttheimer and that crew are on the side

958
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: of thinking Biden's not being pro Israel enough, and all

959
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: of the Republicans up to and including mister America first himself,

960
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: Donald Trump.

961
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 5: That's the position they've taken.

962
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: Is that we need to be even more stridently on

963
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: Israel's side. So just completely insane legislation coming out of

964
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: the House. Here, we also had a noteworthy development and

965
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: by the way, a soccer indicated, Schumer says he's not

966
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: going to bring it to floor. Biden says if it

967
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: came up, he would veto it and that I feel

968
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: very confident about. And I also don't think Schumor will

969
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: bring it up because he won't want to tie the

970
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: hands of the American president. But the fact that it

971
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: passed with again three Republicans that dissented from this and

972
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: sixteen Democrats who joined the Republicans that this passed the

973
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: House is complete Nottter insanity. Meanwhile, you have the first

974
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: Biden administration appointee who is Jewish to resign from the

975
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: administration over their policy Visa Vigaza.

976
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 5: This is Lily Greenberg call.

977
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: She spoke to a couple different programs, in particular Amonoyaldean

978
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: over on MSNBC list take listen to.

979
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Speaker 5: What she had to say.

980
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Speaker 8: What do you think is the significance of why you

981
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 8: decided to do it now. I mean, obviously this has

982
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 8: been going on for seven months. You decided to release

983
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 8: your letter on Wednesday, which also happened to be the

984
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Speaker 8: seventy sixth anniversary of what Palestinians called the Nekba, or

985
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 8: the Catastrophe, in which they commemorate the founding of the

986
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 8: state of visual and the mass exodus and displacement of Palestinians.

987
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 8: But why was it so important for you to do

988
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 8: it on that day at this point of the war.

989
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 9: So you know, I'm in Nakba and Shoa, which is

990
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 9: the Hebrew word for holocaust, they mean the same thing.

991
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 9: They mean catastrophe. I was raised with a fairy tale

992
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 9: about the founding of the modern state of Israel. I

993
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 9: didn't know what the Nakba was, and if anything, I

994
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 9: was told that it wasn't true. So I think it

995
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 9: was important for me as a Jewish person to acknowledge

996
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 9: the significance of that. And you know, the breaking point

997
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 9: for me was that the president is really ignoring his

998
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 9: own red line with the invasion of Rapha, right, and

999
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 9: he's letting Nata walk all over him. And once I

1000
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 9: saw that that that one billion dollars in arms transfer,

1001
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 9: you were just talking about was going to go through.

1002
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 5: I decided that I couldn't, it was too much.

1003
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: One of the things that Lily pointed to you, not

1004
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: only in some of the interviews that she gave, but

1005
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: also in the letter that she wrote explaining her resignation,

1006
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: was how central her Jewish identity had always been to her.

1007
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: This is not someone you can dismiss as like all

1008
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: their barely even Jewish. This is someone who her Jewish

1009
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: faith has really been critical to her upbringing, in her identity,

1010
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: in her entire worldview. And one of the things that

1011
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: she says is what I've learned from my Jewish tradition

1012
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: is that every life is precious, that we are obliged

1013
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: to stand up for those facing violence and oppression and

1014
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: question authority in the face of injustice. She goes on

1015
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: and says, and I thought this was a really important point.

1016
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: Jewish safety cannot and will not come at the expensive

1017
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: Palestinian freedom. Making Jews the face of the American war

1018
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: machine makes us less safe. So Saga, I think, I mean,

1019
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: it's difficult for you know, the pro Israel faction to

1020
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: deal with people who you know are Jewish, who are

1021
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: coming from that faith tradition, who are saying that what's

1022
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: being done in Gaza in my name and with American

1023
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars, this is the polar opposite of what my

1024
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: religious upbringing taught me our values are supposed to be.

1025
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: And I also think it's really noteworthy with her. She

1026
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: talks a little bit about how what she was taught about,

1027
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: you know the reality of Israelian dependence and the Knackba

1028
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: was totally different from reality, and so she clearly went

1029
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: on her own sort of journey of figuring out what

1030
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: was the truth and what was propaganda and coming to

1031
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: this place.

1032
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, it was interesting.

1033
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: I mean she's a relatively low level official from the

1034
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: Interior Department, but regardless, you got to grapple with it.

1035
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: You got this lady on MSNBC. I actually think what's

1036
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: more indicative is not her. But you know, I'm hearing

1037
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff coming out of the State Department

1038
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: where there is a full on revolt I think against

1039
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: Tony Blinken, because a lot of these people are a

1040
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: lot like her. I went to a school with a

1041
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: lot of them. These are all crystally, you would love them.

1042
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: They're all ultimate internationalists, is the way I would put it,

1043
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: they will love and worship the ICC international norms and

1044
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: many of these other things, and they have been putting

1045
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: up quite a fight inside. So anytime you see things

1046
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 2: like this, what you should recognize is that that this

1047
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 2: is like on the tail end of a lot of

1048
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: the descent that's happening. And I also think inside of

1049
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: the White House as well, particularly a lot of.

1050
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 3: The younger staffers.

1051
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't erase this just because it's a coalitional problem,

1052
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: but also I mean, when you have your own staff

1053
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 2: who's working against you, that's not really a good place

1054
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 2: to be, just for a White House and for a president.

1055
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: Another thing that we wanted to highlight in terms of

1056
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: a subservience by the way to the state of Israel

1057
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: here in US politics is my own home state Texas.

1058
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: We have long had one of the most insane BDS

1059
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: laws on the books for a while. A woman actually

1060
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: lost her job over this law, where yeah, it was

1061
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: a teacher.

1062
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: This was several years ago.

1063
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: Glenn Greenwell did an excellent write up on it at

1064
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: the time. But according to Governor Abbott, he has now

1065
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: issued a executive order going after student demonstrators here. We

1066
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: had a few student protesters who were on campus told

1067
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: by UT San Antonio administrators filmed telling them that if

1068
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: they chant quote from the river to the sea, they

1069
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: will be reported to law enforcement in violation of state law.

1070
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. This will be our official reference

1071
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: recording here.

1072
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 8: You're walking into the d So the executive order states

1073
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 8: that language suggests from the river to the.

1074
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 3: Sea consider anti Semitic speech, and.

1075
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 5: So we're asking for folks to refrain from that because

1076
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 5: we required to.

1077
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 8: Enforce with that is not language.

1078
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 5: And enforcement is five months of expulsion. You know, I

1079
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 5: have asked you all not use that language, and we

1080
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 5: ask that.

1081
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 10: You all apply with that.

1082
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 8: If you do not, we.

1083
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 5: Explained two more times and then when you continue to

1084
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 5: not comply with that, we will refer you over to

1085
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 5: the law enforcement agencies. That are inner good.

1086
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 4: Thank you every much, so.

1087
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 5: We would greatly appreciate that you are all right.

1088
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 3: Thank you well. They were actually quite polite. I'm not

1089
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 3: sure I would have been so polite in response to that,

1090
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: but you.

1091
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: Can see it all there are, these are administrators, they're

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Speaker 2: enforcing the laws.

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Speaker 3: As it is said.

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Speaker 2: This is particularly egregious. You know this, this is the

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Speaker 2: state that I grew up in Uh. They like to

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Speaker 2: talk about free speech at the time. But you know,

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Speaker 2: part of the reason this is a problem, Crystal is

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Speaker 2: UT San Antonio. That's a place where a lot of

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Speaker 2: kids who are who go to school from the area.

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Speaker 2: You know, some San Antonio in particular has always been

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Speaker 2: more of a lower income part of the state. It's

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Speaker 2: one of the one of the nice things about the

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Speaker 2: UT and the Texas A and M state system is

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Speaker 2: that it's all like sunny or if anybody's from here

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Speaker 2: in the northeast. The state system allows a lot of

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Speaker 2: people to actually go to school for a relatively affordable

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Speaker 2: price and get a four year college degree, to enter

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Speaker 2: the system and to actually get some skills. So there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of first generation people will go to these schools.

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Speaker 2: So to put speech, you know, restrictions there is a

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Speaker 2: lot more egregious to me than anything going on at

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Speaker 2: a private Ivy League university, right because these are taxpayer

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Speaker 2: funded schools by the state of texts, by Texas tax payers,

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Speaker 2: including my home parents.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, that's just insane that I can't

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Speaker 3: believe this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld that public

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Speaker 1: university such as yout Ut san Antonio that I mean

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Speaker 1: the First Amendment applies. So not a lawyer, but this

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Speaker 1: was tweeted out by the Fire Organization, which is a

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Speaker 1: sort of you know, legal orgination, sort of fighting for

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Speaker 1: First Amendment rights and focused on college campuses.

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Speaker 5: Seems to me like this is not legal.

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Speaker 3: The fact that they're challenge in court.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, yeah, But I mean, I don't see how

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Speaker 1: you can claim that this is consistent with the First Amendment.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because this administrator wants this to be

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Speaker 1: recorded and on the record as some sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: validation for them, and I mean, I guess that they

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Speaker 1: were trying to follow the law, et cetera. As outrageous

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Speaker 1: as it is and obviously illegal as it is, I

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Speaker 1: don't see how you argue this is consistent with the

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Speaker 1: First Amendment when you're literally telling you can't say these words,

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Speaker 1: these specific words you cannot say. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: as we've pointed out here many times, I mean Netanyahu

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Speaker 1: and the Lacude Party charter has very similar like you know,

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Speaker 1: Israel is going to be sovereign from the river to

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Speaker 1: the sea, and went to the UN and held of

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Speaker 1: a map showing Israel with no Palestinian existence whatsoever. So

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Speaker 1: that you are saying this is not just you know,

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Speaker 1: not just offended by it, or it's against school policy

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Speaker 1: or whatever, but this is I'm going to refer you

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Speaker 1: to law enforcement for saying this particular set of words

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Speaker 1: that is so anti American. I could scarcely wrap my

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Speaker 1: head around it. And as you pointed out, sager coming

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Speaker 1: from Greg Aabbatt, the governor of Texas, who five minutes

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Speaker 1: ago was making a big deal about free speech on

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Speaker 1: college campuses and signing executive orders to that effect, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. It's just such blatant hypocrisy. It really is

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Speaker 1: quite astonishing.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so anyway, just wanted to give everybody that update.

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Speaker 2: It's what a crazy twenty four hours it's been here,

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Speaker 2: but I'm glad we were able to do it, even

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Speaker 2: on top of all of the stuff we have going

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Speaker 2: on behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: So over the weekend, President Biden spoke at the commencement

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Speaker 1: for Morehouse University in HBCU, and there were some limited

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Speaker 1: protests inside, some more significant protests outside.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps the most telling moment came when he.

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Speaker 1: Was introduced, and there was interesting dynamic in the applause.

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Speaker 1: You had all of the alumni, all of the older

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Speaker 1: individuals who were there, stood up, gave President Biden a

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Speaker 1: standing ovation. The current students, obviously, who are quite young,

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Speaker 1: there's more of a they stay seated and there's more

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Speaker 1: of a sort of polite gulf clap going on with them.

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Speaker 1: So we can play that for you.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a.

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Speaker 10: Look the forty sixth President of the United States, Joseph Clark, so.

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Speaker 1: You can see they're the alumni family, big standing ovation

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Speaker 1: for the president. Different vibes from the young people. Very emblematic,

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Speaker 1: of course, of the age divide within the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: and how they view President Biden in general, specifically how

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Speaker 1: they view his policy vis a vis Israel and Gaza.

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Speaker 1: President Biden himself acknowledged the protesters in his comments, which

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Speaker 1: were interesting for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to a little bit of what

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Speaker 5: he had to say.

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Speaker 11: I want to say this very clearly, I support peaceful,

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Speaker 11: non violent protest. Your voices should be heard, and I

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Speaker 11: promise you I hear them. I determined to make my

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Speaker 11: administration look like America. I have more African Americans than

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Speaker 11: high places, including on the court than any president of

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Speaker 11: American history, because I need input. What's happening in Gaza

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Speaker 11: and Israel is heartbreaking. Amass says, this is attack on Israel,

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Speaker 11: killing Nis and lives and holding people hostage. I was

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Speaker 11: there nine days after set pictures of tying a mother

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Speaker 11: and a daughter of the rope, pouring carosena on them,

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Speaker 11: burning them and watching as they die. Innocent Palestinians caught

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Speaker 11: in the middle of all this, men, women and children killed,

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Speaker 11: are displaced in despite and desperate need of water, food

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Speaker 11: and medicine. It's a humanitarian crisis in Godsden. That's why

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Speaker 11: I've called for an immediate sea swire, an immediacy fire

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Speaker 11: to stop the fighting, bring the hostages home. And I've

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Speaker 11: been working out a dale as we speak, working around

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Speaker 11: the clock to lead an international effer to get more

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Speaker 11: aid into Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Read Bill's oza.

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Speaker 11: I'm also working around the clock for more than just

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Speaker 11: one cease fire. I'm working to bring the region together,

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Speaker 11: working to build a lasting, durable peace. Because the question is,

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Speaker 11: and you see what's going on in Issual today, what after?

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Speaker 1: And he goes on to call for a two state solution.

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Speaker 1: So there were a lot of lies packed into a

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Speaker 1: short period of time.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I support peaceful, non violent protests, not

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Speaker 1: so much judging by the comments and actions you've taken

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Speaker 1: as president the United States. Then he tries to do

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Speaker 1: his identity politics, as if that will be sufficient if

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Speaker 1: I put this black person there in that black person

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Speaker 1: in other places, if that is sufficient to cover for

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Speaker 1: the policy choices that many young people object to. But

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Speaker 1: he also says, you know, he calls for a quote

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Speaker 1: unquote immediate ceasefire.

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Speaker 5: Well, this is what he previously.

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Speaker 1: Was calling, like a temperate humanitarian pause, different from a

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Speaker 1: lasting ceasefire and actual end to the war. And also,

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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of an actual ceasefire, he has

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Speaker 1: his UN officials have vetoed that multiple times. Calls for

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Speaker 1: two state solutions, something else that has been vetoed by

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Speaker 1: the US at the UN. But the most brazen one

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Speaker 1: is he talks about these pictures, okay, horrifying images that

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Speaker 1: he paints for everyone, and no doubt there were horrifying

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Speaker 1: atrocities committed by Habas on October seventh. That's why the

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Speaker 1: ICC is issuing arrest warrants for top Hamas leaders. However,

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Speaker 1: he keeps repeating this thing about these pictures that he's seen.

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Speaker 1: Originally he talked about the pictures of the beheaded babies. Well,

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Speaker 1: now we know this, there were no pictures of beheaded

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Speaker 1: babies because that didn't happen.

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Speaker 5: And it's not me saying that.

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Speaker 1: It's Horetz, it's an Israeli newspaper and others as well

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Speaker 1: who dug in and okay, well, yes there were troscities.

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Speaker 5: That particular thing didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with this, you know, horrifying picture he paints

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Speaker 1: and claims that he saw these pictures.

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Speaker 5: He did not see these pictures.

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Speaker 1: Last time, after he said that thing, then his you

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Speaker 1: know people around him, how does it Well, he didn't

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Speaker 1: actually see these images. He's just talking generally about the

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Speaker 1: horrors of October sent Like, why do.

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Speaker 2: You keep doing this because the White House well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: as you said, let's be very very clear, the White

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Speaker 2: House specifically said we did not see those images. He's

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01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: just describing images that were described to him. Now again, actually,

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Speaker 2: if you're interested in if you do take if you're

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Speaker 2: one of those people who believes in the ICC and

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Speaker 2: all that, go and read what they write wrote They say,

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Speaker 2: we are still investigating reports of sexual violence on October seventh. Then,

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Speaker 2: in fact, the only sexual violence they've been able to document,

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Speaker 2: you know, in their report that they write there is

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Speaker 2: of a hostage a testimony from them while they were

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Speaker 2: in captivity.

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Speaker 3: Now I know.

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Speaker 2: Why parse all of this well, because it paints a

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Speaker 2: very different picture and perhaps as can lead to some

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Speaker 2: emotional justification of things that happened in response to October seventh.

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Speaker 2: And you know, things do facts matter when they come

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Speaker 2: from the mouth of the President of the United States,

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Speaker 2: and specifically whenever it comes to the policy that's justified here.

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Speaker 2: And like you said, Biden is all over the map,

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Speaker 2: and he's changed, Like he talks about these images, talks

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Speaker 2: about a ceasefire, talks about these teste solutions, like dude,

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Speaker 2: what do you actually believe? And obviously he's very, very

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Speaker 2: torn because here we have the image, we have video

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Speaker 2: of the valedictorian actually at Morehouse College who calls for

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Speaker 2: a ceasefire, and he's bemused in the background, but then

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Speaker 2: applause at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a list.

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Speaker 12: It is my stance as a more houseman, nay, as

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Speaker 12: a human being to call for an immediate and a

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Speaker 12: permanent ceasefire and the gossless stripp Here the people of

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Speaker 12: this world see the song of righteous justice.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So a couple of options. Maybe he didn't know what

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Speaker 2: he was clapping at. Maybe he was confused. I mean listen,

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Speaker 2: given the you know that expression on his face, I

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Speaker 2: definitely wouldn't put it past him. But as he said,

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Speaker 2: it is very clear he doesn't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: People shouldn't forget. This is all in the context of

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Speaker 2: Biden has a huge problem right now with black voters.

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Speaker 2: We could put this up there on the screen and

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Speaker 2: you can see very clearly for yourself. I mean quote

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Speaker 2: in his beloved Philadelphia previously Biden faces weariness from black voters,

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Speaker 2: and then Crystal. There are multiple other incidents here we

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: have of black voters in a state of Georgia where

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Speaker 2: Biden was traveling, where he is seeing his poll numbers

1287
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Speaker 2: collapse in terms of black voter turnout and with Trump

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Speaker 2: actually leading him in the state, and basically every single

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Speaker 2: poll that we have on the battleground so far.

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Speaker 1: So first let me react to DiAngelo. Fletcher is the

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Speaker 1: name of the Orhouse valedictorian who was speaking there. Kudos

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Speaker 1: to him. That's not easy to do with the President

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Speaker 1: of the United States and right there behind you to

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Speaker 1: effectively call him out. And you know, he calls her

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Speaker 1: an immediate and permanent ceasefire, which is different language and

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Speaker 1: different substance than what Biden is calling for. But it's

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Speaker 1: so surreal and so gaslighting to see the President of

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Speaker 1: the United States clapping for something that he himself could

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Speaker 1: push for and achieve in this way of like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hope somebody really gets on that.

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Speaker 5: It's like, what are what are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: So that makes you crazy with regard to you know,

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Speaker 1: this was a very intentional choice. Speaking at Morehouse, first

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Speaker 1: of all, he was hoping this could be in more

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Speaker 1: controlled setting. Last time he spoke to a college audience

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Speaker 1: who was interrupted some dozen times. Here, there were some

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Speaker 1: quiet protests, but it mostly it went uninterrupted, and he

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Speaker 1: just had to, you know, deal with the valedictorian calling

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Speaker 1: for a permanent, immediate and permanent seasefire. There were louder

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Speaker 1: protests outside, people calling him genocide Joe, et cetera. But

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Speaker 1: this is part of a sort of campaign swing that

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Speaker 1: is intended to appeal to black voters in general. I

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Speaker 1: think black men in particular, where he's seen the most

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Speaker 1: erosion in.

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Speaker 5: His poll numbers.

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Speaker 1: Speaking I believe at an NAACP dinner in Detroit.

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Speaker 5: I think that's happening today.

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Speaker 1: And we have some quotes of this was the New

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Speaker 1: York Times black voters explaining how they're feeling about Biden

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Speaker 1: at this point, and they spoke to two dozen black

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Speaker 1: voters in Philadelphia. I think we have these quotes we

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Speaker 1: can put up on the screen. And only eight of

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Speaker 1: them out of two dozen said they were committed to Biden.

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Speaker 1: So here's some of the concerns that were voiced among

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Speaker 1: these individuals. So here is Latasha Humphrey, who's thirty six

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Speaker 1: and is described as an infrequent voter, is considering supporting

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Speaker 1: mister Trump if she votes at all. She says, I

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Speaker 1: don't care about what goes on overseas. I care about

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Speaker 1: where I live. You have another individual of sixty nine

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Speaker 1: who said that as of now, she didn't back Biden.

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Speaker 1: She's angered by his support for Israel and the war

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Speaker 1: in Gaza. She said of the candidates, they're all the

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Speaker 1: same Democrats. She said, come around to our churches when

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Speaker 1: it's time to vote. Then we don't see them again.

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Speaker 1: Another individual, Clinton Gary forty one, an entrepreneur an organizer

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Speaker 1: works to end community violence in Philadelphia, so that he

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Speaker 1: would support Trump in November. This will be his first

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Speaker 1: time casting a ballot. He saw mister Biden as more

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Speaker 1: focused on wars abroad than low income communities domestically. How

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Speaker 1: are you going to help go to war and you

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Speaker 1: can't help feed people? He said, And Sagar the reason

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Speaker 1: I pulled these quotes. First of all, it's just always

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Speaker 1: interesting to hear voters in our own voices. But it

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Speaker 1: also occurred to me that there's more of a nexus

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Speaker 1: between the israel gods of war and people's sentiments about

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Speaker 1: the economy than.

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Speaker 5: We perhaps have thought about before.

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Speaker 1: Because of exactly the sentiment people see like, oh, you're

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Speaker 1: moving Heaven and Earth to fund these overseas conflicts that

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Speaker 1: I don't support and don't if I care about them

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Speaker 1: at all. And I'm looking at my life, okay, in

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Speaker 1: my neighborhood, like where's you moving heaven and Earth to

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Speaker 1: help me and my family? So I thought that was

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Speaker 1: very interesting that that came up repeatedly with these black

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Speaker 1: voters in Philadelphia, this sense of like you have more

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Speaker 1: care and concern for what's happening with Israelis than you

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Speaker 1: do for me in downtown Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I mean I've always that's always how I've presented the framing.

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Speaker 2: That's basically my position here as well. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: one of those where watching our politicians and our president

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Speaker 2: and our political system have subservience to a foreign state

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Speaker 2: is nauseating, regardless of whatever that foreign state is. First

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Speaker 2: it was Ukraine, now it's Israel. Now it's like a

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Speaker 2: borg fusion of the two where of freedom and whatever

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Speaker 2: cause that they're trying to justify. But I completely agree,

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Speaker 2: and whenever we put we did it here, people can

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Speaker 2: go watch our show. Immediately after they broke thirty something

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Speaker 2: years of congressional procedure just the past foreign eight to

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Speaker 2: two foreign wars, they have never done that for any

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Speaker 2: of you. They came close to cut taxes for rich people.

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Speaker 2: So what does that tell you about what the political

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Speaker 2: system actually does and who they work for and who

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Speaker 2: they serve? Even today, you know our entire feed if

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Speaker 2: we're going and looking all politicians reacting or not reacting

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Speaker 2: to the ICC and pledging action, where are they pledging action?

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Speaker 2: We have an entire block coming up here about the

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Speaker 2: state of our economy, the lowest consumer sentiment, the shocking

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Speaker 2: you know, revelations about how exactly net worth has dug

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Speaker 2: gone under the Biden administration, and I don't see any

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Speaker 2: level of concern. And again, you know, this is a

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Speaker 2: country where people we should be very clear about. Israel

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01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: has universal health care, They're very wealthy.

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Speaker 3: I have been there.

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Speaker 2: It's a nice place, and it's nice because, well, we

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Speaker 2: basically pay for all of their defense, high tech nations,

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Speaker 2: startup nation. They shove this propaganda down your face, and

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Speaker 2: that's fine. You know, you'd be proud of whatever you want,

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Speaker 2: but you know you can't help but come away having

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Speaker 2: been there and spend a decent amount of time there

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Speaker 2: myself to say, you people have plenty of money, and

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Speaker 2: you can pay for all of your own needs if

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Speaker 2: you want to. You talk such a big game about

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01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 2: we'll go it alone if we must, that's the entire purpose.

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Speaker 2: I say, we take them up on it, go for it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing too, is you know the uh and

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Speaker 1: we talk about the huge generational divide and in terms

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Speaker 1: of left wing criticism of Biden and where he's losing

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01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: voters on the left of this coalition that it's over

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Speaker 1: Israel clause.

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Speaker 5: We talk about that, and.

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Speaker 1: You see the you know, the group of people for

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Speaker 1: whom that is the issue, and his policy is the

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Speaker 1: you know, of unconditional support is the problem, and their

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Speaker 1: sense that he's supporting a genocide is the issue why

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Speaker 1: they won't vote for him again. But I think what

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Speaker 1: these quotes reveal is that the problem is so much

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Speaker 1: bigger than young people. These are middle aged and elderly

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01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: black voters in Philadelphia who are saying this is a

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Speaker 1: problem for me. And we know from the polling that

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Speaker 1: black voters in general are less portive of the Israel

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Speaker 1: no matter what policy, than white voters are. But we

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01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: also see the way this is landing isn't.

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Speaker 5: You know, even.

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01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: About how do I feel about Israelis or Palestinians. It's

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Speaker 1: how do I feel about the fact that you seem

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Speaker 1: to care more about what happens to Israelis than what

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: happens to me. That seems to be very clearly your priority,

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Speaker 1: and from the actions of Congress, I mean, you just

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01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: can't really come away with any other conclusion when you

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Speaker 1: see the amount of legislation that is being rushed through

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Speaker 1: and all this amount of aid. And you know, when

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Speaker 1: it's hey, we're going to lift we want to lift

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Speaker 1: the minimum wage, then it's ah, it's hard and we can't.

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Speaker 5: We tried whatever, parliamentarian.

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Speaker 1: And when it's we want to ship billions of dollars

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Speaker 1: to continue, you know, the genocide against Palestinians, then it's

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Speaker 1: we'll do no matter.

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Speaker 5: What whatever it takes.

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Speaker 1: We'll stay late, we'll figure it out, We'll come up

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Speaker 1: with unorthodox and unprecedented parliamentary maneuvers, whatever we got to do.

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Speaker 1: So they're not wrong to have that sense of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we see where your commitments and your values are, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't actually have anything to do with me and

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Speaker 1: the way that I'm living my life. So I thought

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Speaker 1: those were pretty extraordinary comments and really shifted some of

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Speaker 1: the way I was thinking about how people were processing

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01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: this conflict and the response to it.

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Speaker 3: I perfectly make sense. Yeah, just one of those. It's

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Speaker 3: always be my objection.

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Speaker 2: Same with the Ukraine, it's like, why am I You know, actually,

1443
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: when we showed some of the economic data, you will

1444
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 2: see very clearly that our support for Ukraine basically tanked

1445
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 2: the entire US economy, drove up the price of gas,

1446
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: all so that the Ukrainians could defend for eighteen months

1447
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: a square scrap of land in eastern Ukraine. That is

1448
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Speaker 2: why Americans paid some extra, you know, hundreds of billions

1449
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Speaker 2: of dollars in gas prices.

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Speaker 5: That's nuts.

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Speaker 3: Same thing here with Israel.

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Speaker 2: It's like, what we have all this money to be

1453
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 2: shipping overseas, all these politicians who work on their passing

1454
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 2: laws so that we can't criticize them. Meanwhile, people's new

1455
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: horor mortgage rate is seven point five percent and they

1456
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 2: don't have enough money for a down payment. That is

1457
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 2: always the problem with foreign aid, and it's especially the

1458
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 2: problem with foreign aid when you don't have a rock

1459
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Speaker 2: solid economy. You're at home and our politicians are very

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Speaker 2: clearly not caring about it.