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Become a member today and 10 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: you'll get access to our full shows, unedited, ad free, 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: and all put together for you every morning in your inbox. 12 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: We need your help to build the future of independent 13 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: news media and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints 14 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: dot com. All right, let's go now to the situation 15 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: in Syria. Some absolutely stunning news just broken very nonchalantly 16 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: by David Ignatius over at the Washington Post. Some might 17 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: call him the CIA whisperer. Let's go ahead and put 18 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. So Syrian rebels had 19 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: help from Ukraine in humiliating Russia. Interesting the Syrian rebels 20 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: otherwise known as al Qaeda, by the way, who swept 21 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: to power and Damascus last weekend quote received drones and 22 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: other support from Ukrainian intelligence operatives who sought to undermine 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: Russia and its Syrian allies. Quote. Ukrainian intelligence sent about 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: twenty experienced drone operators and one hundred and fifty first 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: person viewed drones to the rebel headquarters in Idlib four 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: or five years ago to help Hayat takriir alsham hts 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: Aka al Qaeda, the leading rebel group there. Knowledgeable sources 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: said the aid from Kiev played a modest role in 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: overthrowing Bashar al Asad, but it was notable as part 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: of a broader Ukrainian effort to strike covertly at Russian 31 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: operations in the Middle East, Africa and inside Russia itself. 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: And then he continues to say Ukraine's covert as assistance 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: program in Syria has been an open secret. Biden officials 34 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: said and repeatedly in answer to my questions that they 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: weren't aware of it. Though Biden Ukraine's motivation is obvious. 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: Facing Russian slot, Ukrainian intelligence has looked for other fronts 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: where it can bloody Russia's nose and undermine its clients. 38 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: The Ukrainians have even advertised their intentions. Kiev Post in 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: June third quoted a source from Ukrainian intelligence said that 40 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: since the beginning of the year, the rebels supported by 41 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: Ukrainian operatives, have inflicted numerous strikes on Russian military facilities 42 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: represented in the region Ryot. 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Africa point is key too, because you know, 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: Russia is pretty as or at least as mercenaries and 45 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: interests and that are active in Africa, and so Ukraine 46 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 3: is messing with them there too. 47 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: But I think that they caught the car here. 48 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: I think what Ukraine was hoping to do here is 49 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 3: to do what the US loves to do with Russia 50 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: all over the place, which is to just cause it 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: enough problems. 52 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 4: To like drain it of some of its energy. 53 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: And yes, and people just want to remember Nordstream, do 54 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: you remember? 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 4: Nor to be them? 56 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: Even Davidgnatia says, it's them. 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 3: Interesting, But I don't think they meant to actually overthrow 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: the entire government because now all the effort that right 59 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: was investing in propping up asad they can they like 60 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: all right. 61 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, like okay, we're done. 62 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 4: Yeah cool. 63 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: Now we got a whole bunch of weapons and energy 64 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: and time and resources that we can put. 65 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Further apparently into there with with a lot of Western 66 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: Front so he can pay off. 67 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 4: That's right, he's not gonna get the keys. 68 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: Barely loaded down with gold. It's lucky that plane was 69 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: able to take for his lamp in Moscow. I'm sure 70 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: it'll be fine sitting you know here. Moscow is a 71 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: beautiful city. Uh, you're gonna enjoy it, I guess for 72 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: your years. But you're exactly right. So now the Russians 73 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: are like, okay, whatever, you know, our guy's gone, So okay, 74 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: we now can focus one of our military resources here. 75 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: And uh so yeah, not not great for Ukraine necessarily, No, 76 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: not not at all. 77 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: You know, another thing that I just saw is that 78 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: this actually could could increase the It could increase Russian 79 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: resolve in Ukraine. They could. They're like, well, now facing 80 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: the facing a quote unquote humiliation or a setback of 81 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: our major strategic objectives, and you know, the outer sphere 82 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: of our geopolitical interests than in our own backyard of 83 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: this war that we're engaged in. That means we must 84 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: commit all resources and go all out in this war. 85 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: So it actually could end up backfiring on them. I mean, 86 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: you know, I guess even the Ukrainians. Nobody in US 87 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: intelligence anywhere had any idea that the entire war, a 88 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: fourteen year civil war, result in thirteen days. Come out nobody, 89 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: which is ironic though we pay how many billions of 90 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: dollars a year for these intelligence assessments and others CIA, we. 91 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: Know our boy in South Korea is about to do 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: martial laws, Like. 93 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: Come on, I think I sent a tweet to that. 94 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, we probably spend twenty forty fifty 95 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: eighty billion just on covert intelligence. Did anybody tap the 96 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: guy's phone and say, hey, there's going to be a 97 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: attempted coup in South Korea, which is, by the way, 98 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: our sixth the largest trading partner, more than France. You know, 99 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: we do several trillion dollars a year or sort one 100 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars a year in bilateral trade. No, oh, 101 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: we just had no idea. And by the way, a 102 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: massive air force base there as well under the United States. 103 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: Same in Syria. I mean, you know, let's all be honest. 104 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: We've had our fingers on that situation all over the place. 105 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 4: Thousands takeover. 106 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have thousands of troops who are stationed illegally 107 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: in the country who possibly could be at risk now from. 108 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: Well done, nine hundred I think, plus all the Marcions. 109 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what I was gonna say, nine hundred officially. 110 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: But then all these contractors, yes, yeah, all these guys 111 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: are rolling around the country on the US time. If 112 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: they get killed. How about this, if they get killed 113 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: or wounded, who's coming to save them? I think we 114 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: all know the answer. 115 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: And more to your point on the geopolitics involved here, 116 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: Turkey and Russia basically been. 117 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 4: Adversaries for hundreds. 118 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 3: Almost in this country in particular, of years, and so 119 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: by taking l here it, like you said, it further 120 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: incentivizes them to take on NATO in Ukraine, Turkey a 121 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: member of NATO, and you know what a fulcrum of 122 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: their competition is in Eastern Europe and in the Caucaus regions, 123 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: and so all all of it bleeds together in a 124 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 3: way that yeah, I don't think, you know, spells anything 125 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: remotely good for the Ukrainian cause here. 126 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I totally agree. Just looking through all of this, 127 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: I just see, you know, for the Ukrainians it's like 128 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: they're just grasping its straws. By the way, there's been 129 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: just interesting development just this morning Donald Trump was officially 130 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: named Time Magazine's Man of the Year. Something that you, 131 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: as a child of the eighties will know ryan that 132 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: he takes very serious. Absolutely, he takes it very very serious. 133 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, you's gonna frame that sucker. 134 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: For people my age. I think this is his third 135 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: time personally hear for people my age, Time Person of 136 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: the Year will always be the YouTube two thousands X 137 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: the mirror you cover, you are the Time person one. 138 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: For absolutely nas it might be one of the dumbest 139 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: stunts of all time for me. Time see Time has 140 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: no cachet. You know, you read about it. It's kind 141 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: of like Life magazine. You know it was once important. 142 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: It means nothing to you. Time for kids is about 143 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: as big as it gets, which I remember sitting in 144 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: the doctor's office or something like that. But Trump takes 145 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: it very seriously. He did sit down with them for 146 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: a long interview, so I can give an interesting quote here. 147 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: He was asked about Ukraine and he says, quote, I 148 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: think the most dangerous thing right now is what's happening 149 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: where Zelensky has decided, with the approval of I assume 150 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: the president, to start shooting missiles into Russia. I think 151 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: that's a major escalation. I think it's a foolish decision. 152 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: But I would imagine people are waiting until I get 153 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: in before anything happens. I would imagine. I think that 154 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: there would be very smart to do that. So he's 155 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: asked twice by this idiot interviewer, would you abandon Ukraine? 156 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: And he says some more interesting stuff. It makes it 157 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: so bad. I had a meeting recently with the people 158 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: from the government where they come in and brief me, 159 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not talking out of turn. The numbers of 160 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: dead soldiers that have been killed in the last month 161 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: are the numbers that are staggering, both Russians and Ukrainians. 162 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: And the amounts are fairly equal, you know. I know 163 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: they like to say they weren't, but they're fairly equal. 164 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: The numbers of dead young soldiers lying on fields all 165 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: over the place are staggering. It's crazy what's taking place. 166 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: I disagree vehemently with sending missiles, hundreds of missiles into Russia. 167 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: Why are they doing that. We are escalating the war 168 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: and making it worse. That should not have been allowed 169 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: to be done. Now are they doing not only missiles, 170 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: but they're doing other types of weapons. Interesting. I think 171 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: it's a very big mistake, very big mistake. But the 172 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: level the number of people dying is number one not sustainable. 173 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: And I'm talking on both sides. It's really an advantage 174 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: to both sides to get this thing done. So interesting rhetoric, 175 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: at least there from the president elect. 176 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: So we talk about we talk about Trump as one 177 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: of the most clear examples of a narcissist ever in 178 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: like a world history. 179 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, I wouldn't go that far. Yeah, 180 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: he's right, Well, yeah, I would say I would put 181 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: him up there with all other presidents. A yeah, but 182 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: he gets talked about in his own unique way. 183 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: I agree. 184 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yet he talks so frequently about the number of 185 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 3: killed in this conflict that it just feels like it 186 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: has to come from somewhere genuine like. 187 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I agree, I don't know where it comes from. 188 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 4: But I mean, good for him because like you know, well, it. 189 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: Goes to that famous Siana and Clapp remember where she's like, 190 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: are you going to abandon Ukraine? And he said, I 191 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: want to stop the dying. Yes, and she keeps saying like, 192 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: do you want Ukraine to win? It's amazing to live 193 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: again when you read these idiots, They're just like, will 194 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: you abandon Ukraine? People around the world want to know, 195 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: will you abandon Ukraine? So the question people want to 196 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: know is will you abandon Ukraine? Will you commit to 197 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: protecting Ukrainian sovereignty? I mean, again, what does that mean? 198 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: What is it? I mean the current government doesn't protect 199 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: Ukrainian sovereignty? 200 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 5: Right? 201 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: The current United States government basically since Obama on is like, yeah, crimea, 202 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: it's bad, but you know, what are you going to 203 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: do about it? 204 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 4: Okay? 205 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: So is that what you're saying? Like these people have 206 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: no idea what they're even talking about or the stakes. 207 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: That's part of the way. Part Another reason I'm annoyed 208 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: by it is that if you had asked it in 209 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: a different way, how will you handle Ukraine in a 210 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: more neutral way, we might have gotten some more interesting information. 211 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: How about a real interview, you know what I would 212 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: dig down on and be like, Okay, Plus Ukrainian presidents. 213 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Lenski says, seventy three thousand people have been killed in 214 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: the war. That what does that mean to you? Mister 215 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: president who's dope, mister President elect, who's just received a 216 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: classified briefing, Maybe you get something out of that, right, 217 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: That's how you actually get some information out of your subject. 218 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: Just reading through this is maddening, but it is clear 219 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: at least you know right now he's talking in a 220 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: interesting way. Also, before we get to your Israel thing, Ryan, 221 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: he did say something interesting. They said, do you trust 222 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: bb net and Yahoo? He says, I don't trust anybody. 223 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, you should. 224 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: And on the question of Israel being allowed to annex 225 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: the West Bank, he says, what I'm doing, I want 226 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: a long lasting piece. I'm not saying that's a very 227 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: likely scenario, but I want a long lasting piece, a 228 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: piece where you don't have October seventh. There are numerous 229 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: ways you can do it. You can do a two 230 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: state but there are numerous ways it can be done. 231 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: And I'd like to see who can be happy. But 232 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: I'd like to see everybody be happy, everybody go about 233 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: their lives, and people stop dying. That includes on many 234 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: different fronts. I mean, we have some tremendous world problems 235 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: that we didn't have when I was president. You know, 236 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: when I had left, Iran was not very threatening. They 237 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: had no money and they weren't giving it to Hamas 238 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: or Hasbola. So not a no, not a yes. He 239 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: says two state, but you can do it in many 240 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: different ways. So maybe he's like a Peter Beinart and 241 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: he wants to do a one state solution. 242 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: I mean, yes, that's the just solution. It's the only 243 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 3: one on the table. 244 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: The one state Arab, the one Arab state that would happen. 245 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 4: It's in the Middle East. 246 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: Well, we all know that's not going to happen right 247 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: under Donald Trump. It is interesting though, just reading through this, 248 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: there's some skepticism there of Israel. He says that he 249 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: wants he he told BB he does want the war 250 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: to come to an end by the time that he 251 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: does take the office. And apparently there were some meetings 252 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: with between the Israeli government and Hamas in that just 253 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: happened yesterday. 254 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: So that's a segue for you, right, yeah, No, to 255 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: that point there, there is there is I think genuine 256 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: hope that there will be some type of a deal. 257 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: Hamas is backing off on some of its red lines 258 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: now that now Hamas is saying that they would allow 259 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: IDF troops to temporarily remain in Gaza as they as 260 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: they worked through the prisoner exchange previously Hamas had said 261 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 3: the exchange could only happen if the IDEF agreed to 262 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: completely withdraw from Gaza. What gives people the hope is 263 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: that Trump is making it extremely clear to Israel that 264 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: he wants this deal done. The reason a deal hasn't 265 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: gotten done over the last year is is quite clear 266 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: Israel had and through net Yahoo, made a bet sometime 267 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: around December January last year that Trump might win and 268 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: that he had enough of a chance to win that 269 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 3: it was worth completely bucking Biden, ignoring him, taking a 270 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: few lumps here and there, a few few complaints from 271 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: Matt Miller, you know, every couple of months after the 272 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: latest atrocity or spread of famine, and then just bank 273 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: on Trump winning and then reset from there. 274 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 4: So that's over. 275 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 3: Trump has been very clear he wants a deal that 276 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: is really public, desperately once the hostage is home. 277 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: And what else, What else is there. 278 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: To accomplish at this point in Gaza, the northern northern 279 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: part where Israel's relentlessly assaulting Indonesian Hospital and Kamaladue Hospital, 280 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: killing doctors, killing nurses, killing patients, killing their families, to. 281 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 4: Completely depopulate northern Gaza. It's flat flat, like what. 282 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 3: There was a survey that came out said half of 283 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: the children in Gaza wish they were dead. And that's 284 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 3: on top of the ten thousand plus. 285 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 4: That are dead from this. What more do you need 286 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 4: to do? What more? 287 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 3: And if Trump wants is done, then that puts pressure 288 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: on then. Yeah, the US has always been the one 289 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: that can make this happen, period, So we'll see. 290 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 4: That's why I think people are hopeful. 291 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: That these these moves in Doha might actually amount to something. 292 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: To your point, we also have this pretty fascinating story 293 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: at drop site we can put up on the screen 294 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: here by Sammy Vanderlip where he exposed this US nonprofit 295 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: called Friends of Paratrooper Sniper. 296 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 4: Unit two to two. Okay, so this is a C three, 297 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 4: so you can. 298 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 3: Make a nonprofit here exactly reductible contributions to the US 299 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 3: and it purchases quote helmets, rain gear, barrels, vests, sniper stands, silencers, camouflage, 300 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: et cetera. 301 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: Is egal it is raised. 302 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: Well, we're going to. 303 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: See because certainly complaints are going to be filed against this. 304 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: So they raised, they raised in twenty twenty three, three 305 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: hundred and four thousand dollars and bought equipment, sent it 306 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: over there, and our correspondence over there obtained footage of 307 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: this unit killing unarmed Palestinians and acknowledging it with so 308 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: US taxpayer subsidization. So not only are we buying their weapons, 309 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: like buying the basic weapons, but if the sniper unit 310 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: feels like it needs even higher tech to shoot and 311 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: kill unarmed civilians, then they can get a taxi done. 312 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: Well, you have some photos of that. Can we put 313 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: E three there on the screen? Please? We're not going 314 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: to show some of them. They're extremely graphic, but we 315 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: do have a slide show that we can put up 316 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: there E three if you can, so Ryan can just 317 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: tell us what works. 318 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's and it's from such a distance that 319 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: at least it's not it's not graphic in a Hollywood sense. 320 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: But the images and the videos that our reporters obtained, 321 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: you know, show the sniper unit ending people's lives, and 322 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: that's what's graphic, because you're watching a life be snuffed out, 323 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: and unarmed civilian who one moment is alive, and through 324 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: the squeeze of a trigger. 325 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 4: Of a gun paid for by the. 326 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: United States and with a scope paid for by US 327 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: nonprofit that their life is over. 328 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 4: The next moment, and. 329 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: It's just too it's just horrifying. It's so horrifying you 330 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: even contemplate. 331 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 4: Just going out to get a bag of flower. 332 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: I have to think it's illegal, though, because I remember 333 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: that there was this congressional staffer here in Washington who 334 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: in his spare time was like buying military equipment and 335 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: flying it to Ukraine, which is classic, of course, and 336 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: I think he got stopped. The only reason we know 337 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: about this guy, he got stopped at the airport trying 338 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: to transport military equipment and they were like, hey, man, 339 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: you know this is illegal, Like, you know, you're not 340 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: allowed to be carrying weapons to a foreign military. I 341 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: think you need an export license or something like that. 342 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: If they can get around it, it would be because it's 343 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: accessories to weapons, like a it's a scope, it's night 344 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: vision goggles. 345 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 4: It's yeah. 346 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: Even then, I'm pretty sure. I mean, I know the list. 347 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: I think the list even includes bulletproof vests, like in 348 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: terms of also. 349 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: But you also need a public interest purpose to be 350 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: a nonprofit, so I guess they can argue that that, Well, the. 351 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: Law is crazy, as you know, in terms of what's 352 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: allowed and what's not in terms of five oh one 353 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: C three. But nobody will touch it because of the 354 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: IRS scandal from back in the day under Obama, which 355 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: I mean it was that was a crazy scandal. But 356 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: you know, because of that, the leeway on five oh 357 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: one C three, right has become so broad that people 358 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: just don't want to touch it. I don't know, it's 359 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: crazy story, I know, yeah, wild absolutely. Okay, let's go 360 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: to the next part. We had to put this in 361 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: the show. Extraordinary video now coming out of Syria. CNN's 362 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: Clarissa Ward purports to be in a former Aside prison. 363 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: Whist she's in the prison, they discover a cell acella 364 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: has not been open. The rebel quote unquote al Qaeda 365 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: person who is her guard, shoots the door open, opens it, 366 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: and they discover allegedly a prisoner who's been in there 367 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: for four or five days without water, without food, who 368 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: clings to her, sees the light and its supposed to 369 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: be a very dramatic scene. It's a lot of questions 370 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: about this. We're gonna show it to you first. Yeah, 371 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: it's very impactful if it's true, very impactful. But we'll 372 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: talk about the questions. We're gonna show it to you first. 373 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: I want to talk about afterwards. 374 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 6: I can't tell though. 375 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 7: It might just be a blanket, but it's the only 376 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 7: cell that's locked. 377 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 6: Is he gonna shoot it? 378 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 8: The guard makes us turn the camera off while he 379 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 8: shoots the lock off the cell door. We go in 380 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 8: to get a closer look. It's still not clear if 381 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 8: there is something under the blanket. 382 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 6: Is this someone? 383 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 7: There is someone there? 384 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 9: Hello, Okay, okay, it's water. 385 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 7: It's water, okay, okay. 386 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 8: After three months in a windowless cell, you can finally 387 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 8: see the sky. 388 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: All right, I mean, so again, if it's real, very impactful. 389 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: But there's a number of questions. So mediaites Charlie nash 390 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: Uh has a lot of them, and he raises a 391 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: few number one. In this new video, Ward are led 392 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: by quote armed guard, a member of the New Islamist regime. 393 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: They take CNN on tour through the complex. They quote 394 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: soon stumble upon a locked cell in a prison which 395 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: has been completely emptied and the prisoners are all free. 396 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: The guard makes us turn off the camera while he 397 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: shoots the lock off the door. Viewers do not get 398 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: to see the guard opening the door. After a fade 399 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: to black. We see Ward and the camera crew enter 400 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: the cell. From what we can see, the cell is clean. 401 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: There is no waste, only a blanket, which Ward repeatedly 402 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: calls out to see if anyone's underneath, receiving no response. 403 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: The guard lifts the blanket, revealing a man who gets 404 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: up and raises his hands in the air. He looks healthy, 405 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: his clothes are clean, his hair and nails are trimmed. 406 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: He says he's been in a cell for three or 407 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: four months, without food or water for four days. Presumably 408 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: the man did he not hear the guard shooting the 409 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: lock off of his door or the camera crew crawling 410 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: out to him. A few feared away, But he appears 411 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: to be and find enough condition. Again, Look, we're speculating 412 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: on this. I don't know, but I mean a lot 413 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: of this rings true. So I'll come to in a second. 414 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 4: Ryan. 415 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: They escort Forth the man outside, instead of taking him 416 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: straight to the hospital. The doctor the logical thing to 417 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: do with somebody who's been a windless sell for three months, 418 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: without food or water for four days. They sit him 419 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: in a chair and they interview him. Asked by Anderson Cooper, 420 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: what is known about this man Ward admits, well, we 421 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: don't know, because, as you can see from the report, 422 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: he's in a deep state of shock. She says she 423 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: knows nothing about the man or if any of the 424 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: statements are even true. Everything in the report is taking 425 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: at face value, from the guard opening the door that 426 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: quote they were not allowed to film, to the prisoner's claim. 427 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: So that's what I would be a little bit skeptical of. 428 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: It just seems too good to be true. Call you know, 429 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: call me cynical or whatever. I look at that immediately 430 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know about this went on. 431 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: You know, it's just weird. It's weird. The videos of 432 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: people being spontaneously freed, where you have dozens of people 433 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: pouring that's okay. I believe that, you know, and you 434 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: can see some of that. It seems real. Again, Look, 435 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: you know, who knows about what we're allowed to We're not. 436 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: We do we I mean, we definitely know that thousands 437 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: of people were held in a side stone. 438 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 4: That's right. 439 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 3: And yeah, now those dungeons are it's been for a 440 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: long time. Yeah right, that's that's absolutely real. This is 441 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: like four days without water, that's a long Four days 442 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: without food is one thing. 443 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: Isn't there a three rule? It's like three days without water, 444 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: three weeks out food? Was it three seconds without oxygen 445 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: or something? I forget what the number is, but yeah, 446 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: I can hold my breath more. 447 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: Three second stuff. 448 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: There wasn't three minutes three maybe three minutes three minutes. 449 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 4: But so four days without water three or four days 450 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 4: without water? Would your face would look different? 451 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: Your face would be parked, Yeah, yeah, you'd be sunk in. 452 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 4: You just your tongue would be completely. 453 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: Like they said, there's no wall, no bathroom. You know 454 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: how where the butt was happening exactly? 455 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 4: Why do you not hear the gun? 456 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well he didn't hear the gun. 457 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 3: Did he not notice that the entree was emptied out? 458 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: Because there's the previous there's cells everywhere around him. 459 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: The previous videos of people mean, so the moment that 460 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: lock pops off, boom, they're all rushing out right and 461 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: people are screaming, cheering, and they're so you know, happy 462 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: to be freed, et cetera. Yeah, I don't this This 463 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: one just doesn't seem right to me. I could be wrong, 464 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: you know totally. Maybe somebody should find this guy and 465 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: ask him and get his whole backstory that say, he's 466 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: been three months to staves from the city of Homes. 467 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: Let's go to Homeles because somebody go find this guy. 468 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: It's been who are you? You know, did you actually 469 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: get a prisoner or was this all an act or 470 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: maybe you were a legitimate prisoner and they told you 471 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: to act this way. You know, Listen, they want the 472 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: best media in the world right now. There's a fierce 473 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: to eight here in Washington. Remember, their leader, al Jelani 474 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: is a wanted ten million dollars bounty terrorists by the 475 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: United States State Department. The Brits are currently wondering whether 476 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: they should take him off of their list, whether they 477 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: can diplomatically recognize his government, and you know, against should mean, 478 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, I don't have a problem. Like, look, 479 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm a person who said, you know, I'm not pro Taliban, 480 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: but they won the Civil Award. It's like, okay, you know, 481 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? 482 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: Well? 483 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: I think what troubles me in this case is that 484 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: this is a group which explicitly at one point was 485 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: understood to be an al Qaeda backed regime, but then 486 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: we decided that we hate assad more than we hate them, 487 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: and so we're all just okay with them taking power, 488 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: and we're not really asking a lot of questions about 489 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: what the future of this country's going to look like 490 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: and the potential fall out their own religious minorities. There's 491 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: just so much triumphalism. People hate USAD so much that 492 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: they're not willing to wonder like, maybe it's way worse 493 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: what comes next. And all of the reports are about 494 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 1: Jolani and about HTS is that they're branding champions, they 495 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: changed their name, they distanced themselves allegedly from al Qaeda. 496 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: They've been reading books and studying the West and how 497 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: to have good relations with them. So it seemed to 498 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: me to fit with something like this, just me personally, 499 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: That's what I thought. 500 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't think that she was in on it. 501 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: No, I agree, I don't think she was in Oh 502 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: can you tell the context though about Clarisa Ward. 503 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, so the thing that was getting circulated. I 504 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: think Glenn Greenwald had flagged it at some point earlier 505 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 3: in the war. During so it would have been twenty sixteen, yes, 506 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 3: or twenty fifteen. She did an interview with Mike Morell 507 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: and said that she, well, I don't know what the 508 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 3: interview was. But she said in that interview that she 509 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: had sent a very harsh note to Ben Rhodes, who 510 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 3: was Obama's National security advisor. And the note said something like, 511 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 3: you know, I hope that you are sleeping well tonight, Yes, 512 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: while the free something like the freedom fighters of Siri 513 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 3: are you know, being crushed. 514 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 4: By a side. 515 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 3: And she said, I cop to crossing the line on this, 516 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: on this story on Cyria, where I have gone from 517 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 3: a journalist to an activist. This is what she said 518 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 3: to Michael morrelse hey guy, and interviewed him. 519 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 4: Uh So, if somebody. 520 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: Was going to be kind of blinkered into this, it 521 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 3: would have to be somebody who feels a deep ideological 522 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 3: commitment to supporting the this outcome. 523 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: You could understand it from our perspective. I'm not justifying it. 524 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: I'm saying you can understand you cover him this probably 525 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: for a decade. You've seen a lot of people get 526 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: killed at Murderous Poodle. Yeah, You've seen a medical dictator. Yeah, 527 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: you've seen people beheaded whatever. 528 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 4: Her driver was, her driver was killed. 529 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: That's right, her driver was killed. So a lot of 530 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: these guys, you know, Richard Engel and a few or 531 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: of those. They all have personal experience in this. Although 532 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: the Angle thing, you know what I'm talking about, he 533 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: was allegedly kidnapped. There's still a lot that's a weird 534 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: story too. I gotta be. 535 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 4: Honest if you want to go. 536 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 3: And there was one with closerists in Sudan also, Oh really, 537 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: is there questions about. 538 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 4: A weird pick, weird attention or something? 539 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: Anyways, And she's also very physically courageous. No, yeah, but 540 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: no one is putting down. She puts herself all the time. 541 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: She did a good job in Afghanistan. I thought, you 542 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: know that good the Fall of. 543 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 4: Cobble stood the ground. She did really good interviews. 544 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: But you know, nobody's infallible. And uh, there's some potential 545 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: questions here at CNN. To be honest, you know, if 546 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: this turned out to be staged, this would be like 547 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: a Brian Williams stole scandal. That's why I would like 548 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: someone to go interview this guy. Glarissa should break it, Huh, 549 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: should break break that new Yeah. The only way to 550 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: redeem yourself is to then figure out who, figure out 551 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: who he is, and to answer the questions just to 552 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, maintain your own story. 553 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 3: Because some people were specting. Oh, maybe it was a 554 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 3: guard who just wanted to stay there. How they how 555 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 3: they lock himself in? 556 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's anyway. 557 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: Weird stuff, weird stuff. All right, We've got independent Senate 558 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: candidate Dan Osborne. 559 00:26:59,520 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 4: Let's get to. 560 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: Coming out of the November election, the Associated Press did 561 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 3: an analysis we can put up on the screen here 562 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 3: comparing senate Democratic candidates to Kamala Harris, and they found 563 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 3: that one particular candidate, who was not in fact a 564 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: Senate Democratic candidate, out performed all other Democrats across the country. 565 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 4: By more than any other. 566 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 3: And his name was Dan Osborne, who was running as 567 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: an independent in Nebraska. It turned out not to be 568 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 3: enough to overcome the partisan lean of Nebraska, but he 569 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 3: came extremely close to being the next Senator from that state. 570 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 3: And we're joined now by Dan Osborne, the independent Senate candidate. 571 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 4: Dan Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us. 572 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: Good to see you, sir, Thanks, thank thanks for having 573 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: me on. 574 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 4: You're welcome. All right. 575 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: So down the stretch, it seemed like the partisan nature 576 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: of our politics really started to lock itself into their race. 577 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 3: And I actually wanted to ask you about something that 578 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: I saw towards the very end, you had never said 579 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 3: who you were going to caucus with or whether you 580 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 3: were going to caucus with either party. You were going 581 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 3: to be an independent and you were going to see 582 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 3: what was best for Nebraska. Down the stretch, Senator Chuck Schumer, 583 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: the majority leader, started saying publicly, go out and vote 584 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 3: for Dan Osborne to help Democrats here in Washington. Meanwhile, 585 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 3: as far as I could tell, Senate Democrats actually did 586 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 3: nothing in the state of in the state of Nebraska 587 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 3: to help you win. When he started saying that, did 588 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: that get spread around Nebraska? And what was your reaction 589 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: when you started seeing that from from kind of coastal Democrats? 590 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 6: Well, you know, I. 591 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 5: Don't believe that part of it got spread around. You know, 592 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,239 Speaker 5: that was that was deb Fisher's negative campaign right out 593 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 5: of the gate. We turned in twelve thousand signatures from 594 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 5: around the state to get on the ballot. We needed 595 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 5: four and then the first independent poll came out that 596 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 5: had Fisher at thirty nine and me at thirty eight, 597 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 5: and so she went negative right out of the gate. 598 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 5: You know, you know that's what she had. She was 599 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 5: calling me a radical leftist and saying spreading all these 600 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 5: lies about immigration about me, and I suppose at the 601 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 5: end of the day, unfortunately the lies won, but you know, 602 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 5: we remained positive and just trying to tell the people 603 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 5: in Nebraska what I wanted to do for them because 604 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 5: I heard, you know, I did two hundred public events 605 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 5: around the state and I listened to Nebraska's every single day, 606 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 5: and what it is they want, and what it is 607 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 5: they want was, you know, first of all, they want 608 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 5: to know that if you work hard in this country, 609 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 5: that you can get ahead, that your paycheck matters, that 610 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 5: you're going to be able to have, you know, houses, 611 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 5: some property, cars, put money aside for Christmas and college, 612 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 5: and then mostly they want to be left alone. 613 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 6: People don't want handouts for the most part. 614 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 5: They understand some folks need the handouts, of course, but 615 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 5: that was it. So I kind of coined the term 616 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 5: recently paycheck populism, because I was doing an interview similar 617 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 5: to this and they said, well, you ran off an 618 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 5: economic populism message, and I was like, oh, I don't 619 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 5: really know what that means, because the economy is so 620 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 5: broad and and you know deep by the point, you know, 621 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 5: what people want to know is that their paycheck matters 622 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 5: if you work hard. 623 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan, I'm curious for your reaction. You started a 624 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: hybrid pack to talk about this, but there's been a 625 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: lot of discourse here in Washington about what should the 626 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: Democratic Party do to win back Trump voter. So you 627 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: at least have some credibility. You won forty six point 628 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: five percent of the vote in the deep red state 629 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: of Nebraska. So what's your advice to the Democratic Party 630 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: or anybody who else who wants to challenge the current 631 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: establishment GOP for how they can win a similar amount 632 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: of votes to you? 633 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know, you just got to be real. 634 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 5: I think candidate recruitment is so important, and that's what 635 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 5: I'm doing right now with this Working Class Heroes pack. 636 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 5: It's designed to emulate what we did here in Nebraska. 637 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 6: We're going to go out. 638 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 5: We've targeted multiple races, top of the ticket races all 639 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 5: the way down ballot on the overperformance that we had 640 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 5: if we were to you know, the targets designed it, 641 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 5: if Osborne were to run in those areas, we would 642 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 5: have won. So we're certainly going to target more races. 643 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 5: And it's all about candidate recruitment. We're hiring people we're 644 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 5: starting the process on Monday, and we're going to go 645 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 5: into different districts around the country and find working class 646 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 5: people that you know, and pluck them out, because for me, 647 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 5: that's the most important part. Less than two percent of 648 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 5: our elected officials in both the House and Senate come 649 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 5: from the working class, so it's a complete misrepresentation. 650 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 6: You know, some millionaires that work for billionaires, and we 651 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 6: need a seat at the table. So that's what this 652 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 6: is designed to do. 653 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's an interesting view here in Washington. I think 654 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 3: about that type of candidate recruitment where people say, well, okay, yeah, 655 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: Dan Osborne did really well, but you got to think 656 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 3: about it. You know, he he's a union organizer. He 657 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: was a union leader in the state that led this 658 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 3: successful strikes a. He's a veteran, he's he's well, he's 659 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 3: well spoken, he comes across well, and you know, we 660 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: just can't find many people like that. But that's because 661 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 3: from my perspective, they're sitting here in Washington, DC or 662 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 3: the suburbs of Washington, d C. And they're looking around 663 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 3: at their neighbors and yes, if that's your pool of candidates, 664 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: then yeah, you're you're not going to find a lot 665 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 3: of Dan Osborne's, but if you go outside of Washington, 666 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 3: then you just might. But I'm curious what the challenge 667 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 3: has been for you as you've started to kind of 668 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 3: look for other people around the country who can can 669 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 3: fit the mold, so to speak, break break the mold, 670 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 3: and fit and fit a new mold. Are there are 671 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 3: Are there the people out there to run the kind 672 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 3: of campaigns that you're talking about? 673 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, and yeah. 674 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 5: The inherent challenge is it's it's probably easier to find 675 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 5: a sell funder right that can step from their role 676 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 5: at their fancy law firm or wherever they're coming from. 677 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 5: No offense against lawyers, but you know, we need those 678 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 5: folks as well. 679 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 6: But it's it's the challenge is. 680 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 5: Going to be having somebody be able to do what 681 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 5: I did, is is step aside from your role, hopefully 682 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 5: get a leave of absence from your job, and take 683 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 5: the plunge and take that take that dive. So what 684 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 5: it's going to what we're going to produce is we're 685 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 5: going to produce people that are passionate about what they're 686 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 5: doing and for all the right reasons, because they love 687 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 5: this country just like I do. 688 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 6: They love their state and they want to make a difference. Uh, 689 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 6: you know, the. 690 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 5: So but what what the pack again is designed to 691 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 5: do hopefully take some of the ease off of that decision. 692 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 5: For me, it was it was extremely difficult. We had 693 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 5: no we had no framework to start. It was just 694 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 5: an idea and we built. We were building the plane 695 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 5: as we were learning how to fly it. 696 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: Uh. 697 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 5: So, you know, and we had very difficult time fundraising 698 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 5: in the beginning, and right now we've raised. 699 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 6: Over six figures. 700 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 5: We're confident that we're going to be able to raise 701 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 5: enough money to support candidates, uh, financially as they as 702 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 5: they move forward, to give them a kind of a 703 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 5: boost when when right out of the gate that we 704 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 5: didn't have. 705 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and for people who don't know what you're talking 706 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 3: about with it's good, it's easier to go kind of 707 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 3: recruit a lawyer. 708 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 5: Uh. 709 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 3: The D Triple C, which recruits House candidates for instance, 710 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 3: has a thing and this is not picking on the 711 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 3: D tripleC. This is the Republicans and Democrats. They have 712 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 3: a thing that they kind of called the phone test, 713 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 3: which is when a candidate is thinking about running and 714 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: meeting with party operatives here in Washington. 715 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 4: D C. 716 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 3: They'll say, take out your phone and scroll through this 717 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 3: and tell tell us how you can find one hundred 718 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 3: thousand dollars in the next you know, ten minutes. And 719 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 3: she was supposed to go through your contact list and 720 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: you're like, oh, Steve, he's good for five grand. You know, Kevin, 721 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 3: he can do five, Diane he can do ten. Oh Jim, 722 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 3: I bet he'd do half a billion to a super pack. 723 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 3: And then d Triple C is like, okay, like you're 724 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 3: our man because you can do our job for us. 725 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 3: You can go out and raise the money. Somebody who 726 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 3: can't do that, which is ninety nine percent of people, 727 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 3: has the challenge that you had at the beginning. 728 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 4: So how how did you overcome that? Like? 729 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 3: How do you go from all right, I'm going to 730 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 3: run for senate statewide. I don't have a lot of 731 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 3: rich friends, but I'm going to be taken seriously because 732 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 3: that happened, Like how did you? 733 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 4: How do you? How do you break through that? 734 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's funny. I did the exact same thing. 735 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 5: I went through my phone in my contacts and it's 736 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 5: it's full of other. 737 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 6: Mechanics and we can gass people. 738 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 5: So I was able to get twenty five fifty bucks here, 739 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 5: and you know, we had a lot of early angel 740 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 5: investors that just believed that that you know, similar to myself, 741 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 5: that just believed that this could turn into something. So 742 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 5: it was a lot of local people that threw in 743 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 5: one thousand dollars here and one thousand dollars there, and 744 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 5: it really wasn't until we found a great digital firm, 745 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 5: you know, that small dollars started to pour in and 746 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 5: that remained the basis of our campaign. You know, we 747 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 5: raised close to fourteen million dollars and our average donation 748 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 5: was I think like forty dollars at the end of everything. 749 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 5: So the small dollars are extremely important and just being 750 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 5: able to get that message out and that's that's how 751 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 5: we were able to do it. 752 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: Well, Dan, what are your plans for what's next? Are 753 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: you going to run for office again? 754 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 5: I would say there's a ninety nine percent chance that 755 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 5: I'm going to find something to run for again. 756 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 6: We were keeping all the options open. 757 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 5: You know, Pete Ricketts seats up here in Nebraska, there's 758 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,479 Speaker 5: a couple other ones we're eyeballing, but yeah, I think, 759 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 5: you know, we got a lot of momentum. We spent 760 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 5: a tremendous amount of work getting name recognition and just 761 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 5: getting our message out there, our core message that you know, 762 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 5: we didn't take any corporate dollars. 763 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 6: We don't want to be a part of the problem. 764 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 5: We want to be a part of the solution and 765 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 5: really just represent people the you know, the way the 766 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 5: framers of the Constitution intended it to be a government 767 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 5: buying for the people, so that that was our intention. 768 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 5: We fell a little bit short, but I think I 769 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 5: think in twenty twenty six we're going to turn that around. 770 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we look forward to seeing it. We hope, 771 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: we hope to see you again on the show, should 772 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: that time come again. All right, so thank you so 773 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: very much, sir. We appreciate you. 774 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 6: Thanks, guys, appreciate it. 775 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 4: Absolutely all right. That was Dan Osborne. 776 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 3: His new fund is Working Class Hero's Fund and you 777 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 3: can find it at Workingclassheroes dot fund. Even if you 778 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 3: just go on there and put your email in there, 779 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 3: then you'll get updates when he's got somebody cool. So 780 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 3: you don't want to give them money now because you 781 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 3: don't know who's going to recruit. Fine, put your email 782 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 3: in there and then he'll tell you when he's got 783 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 3: somebody cool. 784 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: He's a very fascinating figure to me. Imagine if a 785 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: guy like him one governor or Senate from the stave 786 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: of re Church, it would scramble in instantly a presidential candidate. 787 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: In my opinion, he would actually have a better shot 788 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: going a good governor. Because this is interesting that the 789 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: voters seem to actually distinguish. Yes, so like, for example, 790 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: in Maryland is a key point. Yeah, this just happened 791 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: in Maryland. Larry Hogan, he was the governor of Maryland's 792 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: a Republican. He was pretty popular, but he just got 793 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: his ass kicked in Senate. 794 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 3: And the reason you notice on that chart that we 795 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 3: just showed the Maryland Senate candidate was the greatest underperformer. 796 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. No, so I'm not saying he didn't 797 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: do well, but he lost. And the reason why is 798 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: even people who liked him in Maryland were like, yeah, 799 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: I like you, Hogan, but you would be a vote 800 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: for Mitch McConnell. And don't I don't like. 801 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 4: That Democrats ran against him. 802 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 3: Where all people saying I like him, there you go, 803 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 3: but he's going to vote for missus. 804 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: So you have a better chance of not running nationally. 805 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: That's why you have these guys. Who's that guy who's 806 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,320 Speaker 1: the Republican in Vermont? What's his name? Welch who was 807 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 1: the governor? He was the governor of people. People loved 808 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: him and is Vermont. This is blue haired liberals in Burlington. 809 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: They still elected him because he's like a unique guy. 810 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 4: Or he was working class dude. 811 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 1: Who is the masters? He was like a motorcycle mechanical 812 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: whom I thinking of the Republican government master Charlie Baker 813 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: said his name O Brown. Yeah, they liked Scott Brown. 814 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 6: That. 815 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a crazy circumstances. But my point 816 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 1: is that I can give a better shot being governor 817 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: and then Democrat. Yeah, Louis John Bell Edwards. I think 818 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: that Democrats Kansas selects governor, so statewide you have a 819 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: better chance of running for a non national seat and 820 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: voters are much more willing to give you a little 821 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: bit of leewal. So I were him, that's what. 822 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 4: I would do. 823 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 3: Democrats in Maryland are like, we want to be democratic nationally, 824 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 3: but this guy says we're gonna have low taxes. 825 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well you know, and now they have Wes 826 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: Moore who's gonna bring alcohol to everybody in the state. 827 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: It's just that's exactly what Maryland needed. Anyone who's ever 828 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 1: encountered a Maryland driver says, you know what they need, 829 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: more access alcohol. That's what they need in this state. Okay, 830 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: all right, good luck, good luck to all of you. Uh, 831 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: we had a great show for everybody today. Thank you all. 832 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: Ryan's always great to see you and well, if anything 833 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: breaks over the weekend, will be with you. Otherwise, see 834 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: you on Monday.