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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A brilliant med student goes

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Speaker 1: missing in a bar. How do you go missing in

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Speaker 1: a bar? This is how he goes in and he

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Speaker 1: never comes out. He vanishes. Where is Brian? Good evening,

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Speaker 1: I'm Missy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: A twenty seven year old medical student vanishes into thin air.

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Speaker 2: Surveillance captures him entering a bar but never leaving.

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Speaker 1: How does that happen? You enter a bar and you

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Speaker 1: never come back. Now, if this was some sci fi movie,

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Speaker 1: there would be a time warp and a space continuum

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Speaker 1: in there. How he you know? And Harry Potter? How

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Speaker 1: you transport from one place to the next just like that? Okay,

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Speaker 1: that didn't happen. There is a logical explanation, but what

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Speaker 1: is it. How can a brilliant medical student go into

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Speaker 1: a bar to meet his friends and never emerge. And

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Speaker 1: it's not just that witnesses don't see him emerge. He's

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Speaker 1: not called on security surveillance cam, CCTV, nothing, He never

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Speaker 1: leaves the bar, yet he vanished. Where is Brian? Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us? Okay, let's go straight up

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Speaker 1: to the moment we realize he has vanished. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Saturday morning, Alexis Wagoner calls her boyfriend to nail down

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Speaker 3: some final plans for their upcoming vacation. It goes straight

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Speaker 3: to Brian Schaeffer's voicemail, but Wagoner assumes Schaeffer is sleeping

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Speaker 3: off the night before. That afternoon, a second call from

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Speaker 3: Wagoner goes to voicemail again. Schaeffer isn't answering his father either.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday, Derek Shaeffer heads to his brother's apartment. Brian's

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Speaker 3: call is parked outside and nothing's amiss inside the apartment,

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Speaker 3: but no Brian. Monday morning, Brian Shaeffer doesn't show up

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Speaker 3: at the airport. Randy Shaeffer immediately reports his son missing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a lot of information, but most specifically, where

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Speaker 1: do I start the timeline? This starts with Saturday morning,

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Speaker 1: when Alexis Wagoner calls her boyfriend about final plans on

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Speaker 1: a vacation they're taking. And when she calls, it goes

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Speaker 1: straight to voicemail, but she assumes he's sleeping off the

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Speaker 1: night before. Okay, right there, Saturday morning he's gone. That's

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Speaker 1: where we can officially start the timeline. Saturday morning with

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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: we know. But first to Sydney Summer. Sidney Sumner Crimeonline

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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, Sydney, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the night before that Friday night girlfriend

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Speaker 1: reporting Saturday morning. He's not answering his phone. I'm deducing

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Speaker 1: he goes missing sometime on Friday night.

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Speaker 4: Explain well, Nancy. Friday night was the last day of

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Speaker 4: classes before spring break at OSU Medical School. Brian met

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Speaker 4: with his father that evening to celebrate completing his finals,

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Speaker 4: and they had a steak dinner. He told his father

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Speaker 4: that he had plans to go out that night with

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Speaker 4: some friends. His father did not approve of those plans,

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Speaker 4: so he thought he should be wrestling a minute.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Sandy Sumner, Okay, he has dinner with his father

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Speaker 1: Friday night, kind of celebrating the end of Ohio State

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Speaker 1: University's semester. This guy is a medical student, he's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: His family is so proud, so they're having this celebration meal.

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Speaker 1: They go out in public to a restaurant. We know

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Speaker 1: that witnesses spot him there. We know he's alive. Then

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Speaker 1: the father has no reason to lie of course, so

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Speaker 1: I can place him alive at what time, Sydney at

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Speaker 1: six pm? Nancy, six pm? The dinner started or ended?

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Speaker 1: I reoually assume started started at six pm. Okay, go forward.

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Speaker 4: So from there, Brian goes back to Columbus about a

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Speaker 4: half hour drive, and at nine pm he meets his

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Speaker 4: former dorm meet William Clint Florence at the Ugly Tuna Saluna.

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Speaker 4: So this is the first time he's seen out with

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, and I've got that on video. Let's

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Speaker 1: check out the video we obtained the surveillance video of

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Speaker 1: him going to the bar, meeting up with his friends.

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Speaker 1: It's a big night. They are just finishing classes. This

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Speaker 1: is at the Ugly tun of Saluona. It's a bar

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Speaker 1: near Osu Ohio State University campus there in Columbus. Let

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Speaker 1: me remind everybody there was a one hundred thousand dollar

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Speaker 1: a reward for information leading to the discovery of Brian's whereabouts.

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Speaker 1: What happens then, Sidney Sumner, So from.

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Speaker 4: The Ugly Tuna Saluna, Florence and Schaeffer start going to

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Speaker 4: different bars in the area. So they spend a couple

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Speaker 4: rounds at the Ugly Tuna Saluna, and then they move

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Speaker 4: on in their bar, hopping for several bars, and they

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Speaker 1: Got a question for you, Sidney Sumner. So they're pub crawling.

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Speaker 1: They leave the Ugly Tuna and meet up with other friends.

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Speaker 1: During that time, he calls the girlfriend. Ten pm. We've

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Speaker 4: That is correct.

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Speaker 1: Ten to twelve am, ten pm, twelve am they pub crawl. Now, yes,

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Speaker 1: I can establish him alive at twelve am when he

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Speaker 1: Anything unusual, Sidney Sumner?

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Speaker 4: Nancy, No, there isn't. There is no report of anything unusual,

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Speaker 4: and the two men are still happy, jovial, having a

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Speaker 1: Okay, this guy seemingly goes into a bar and is

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Speaker 1: never seen alive again. Twelve am. Their bar hopping. Twelve am,

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Speaker 1: Brian and friend return to Ugly Tuna. All right, one

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Speaker 1: fifteen am we see Brian entering a bar. Which bar

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Speaker 1: is that Sidney Sumner. This is the Ugly Tuna.

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Speaker 4: So that one fifteen am surveillance footage is of Meredith, Brian,

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Speaker 4: and William Clint returning to the Ugly Tuna Saluna together.

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Speaker 4: At one fifteen am, that's when we see Brian on

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Speaker 4: that surveillance video for the first time, coming up that escalator.

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Speaker 4: So the three enter the bar. There's a band playing.

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Speaker 4: It's already one fifteen. The bars close up too, so

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Speaker 4: they are here for one last round. Are going to

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Speaker 4: spend about forty five minutes in the bar. At one

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Speaker 4: five we see Brian again on that right side of

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Speaker 4: the screen and he's standing just outside the entrance of

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Speaker 4: the bar, and he speaks with two women for just

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Speaker 4: a few minutes, and then he walks off camera back

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Speaker 4: towards the entrance of the bar. So you would assume

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Speaker 4: it's one fifty five am. He's trying to meet back

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Speaker 4: up with his friends Read and Florence, but they don't

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Speaker 4: find him. At two am, they're standing outside the entrance.

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Speaker 4: They're watching people.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on this a moment. I want to analyze.

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Speaker 1: I want to analyze what you told me, So far.

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Speaker 1: So he's there with Meredith. It's Meredith Brian, And who's

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Speaker 4: William Clint is his nickname William Clint Florence and he

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Speaker 4: is Hey. He was Brian Schaefer's former dorm meat. So

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Speaker 4: they're really close friends. They roomed together freshman year at college.

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Speaker 4: No bad blood, no none whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the reason that Sidney Sumner is saying forty five minutes,

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Speaker 1: they're going to stay there forty five minutes. How do

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Speaker 1: we know that because the bar closes at two. It

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Speaker 1: closes at two am. Now, Sidney, is this just outside

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Speaker 1: the bar? Is it the foyer? Where is this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So this is just outside the entrance of the bar.

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Speaker 4: So you take this escalator up to the second floor.

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Speaker 4: You can get to several businesses on that second floor,

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Speaker 4: and the entrance of the Ugly to Tuna is just

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Speaker 4: behind that escalator. So when we see Brian standing to

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Speaker 4: the right of the escalator in this footage, that's just

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Speaker 1: Okay, we know he's going to be there at most

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes, and he knows the bar closes at two.

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Speaker 1: So Sidney Sumner are his friends Meredith and William in

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Speaker 1: side the bar at the time. We're seeing him on

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Speaker 1: surveillance video. Yes, so we.

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Speaker 4: See the three of them, the trio, enter the bar

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Speaker 4: together and then at some point Shaper gives them some privacy.

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Speaker 4: We're not sure if they just got separated, if he

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Speaker 4: found some friends that he wanted to chat with, or

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Speaker 4: if maybe these two were kind of on a date

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Speaker 4: and he was giving them some alone time. So Shaper

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Speaker 4: separates from Reed and Florence, who stay together the entire

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Speaker 4: time they're at the Ugly Saluna Ugly Tuna Saluna, and

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Speaker 4: they are supposed to join back up to leave together.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, So are Meredith and William a couple.

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Speaker 4: No, that has not been confirmed. They are just friends.

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Speaker 1: Then why would he want to give them alone time?

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Maybe again, like we said, we saw

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Speaker 4: him chatting with those two women outside the bar, So

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Speaker 4: maybe he ran into some friends that he knew from

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Speaker 4: class and decided, hey, I want to say hello to them.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me understand something. Guys. You're hearing Crime online

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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Sydney Summer, and we're looking and

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Speaker 1: video footage surveillance footage of Brian and the two people

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Speaker 1: with him in that video, Sidney, are Meredith and William.

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Speaker 4: Those are two women that Shaffer was not out with

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Speaker 4: that night. They may have been class meets. Oh okay,

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Speaker 4: so coming up the escalator, Yes, that is Shaper in force.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Sidney Sumner, you're saying he sees these two women.

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Speaker 1: They're laughing, they're talking, and it looks as if the

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Speaker 1: three of them go back into the bar. Sidney, correct, Nancy.

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Speaker 4: It looks like Schaefer walks off camera back towards the

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Speaker 4: at this point, So I think Shafer is looking to

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Speaker 4: meet back up with Reid and Florence, sayas goodbyes before

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Speaker 4: they part nights for the evening. It's they know they

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Speaker 4: have five minutes until this bar is closing, Okay, and

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Speaker 4: we do know can we confirm Meredith and.

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Speaker 1: William are in the bar.

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Speaker 4: They waited for Shaper outside the bar for minutes and

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Speaker 4: minutes and minutes, and eventually they assumed that Shaffer just

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Speaker 4: so they assumed that it got late and he just

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me right now. In

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Speaker 1: addition to Sidney Sumner is Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher, missing person's private investigator, doctor ANGELA Arnold, renowned

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Speaker 1: psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction. And Todd Shipley, who is

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Speaker 1: additional cyber crime expert, author of investigating Internet crimes. Todd Shipley,

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Speaker 1: we would be able to tell, or an expert would

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Speaker 1: be able to tell, if this video, this surveillance video

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Speaker 1: we're looking at, had been doctored or edited in any way.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 5: I think generally you're correct, because we have to look

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Speaker 5: at the time period when this occurred. The technology to

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Speaker 5: be able to fake that video didn't exist during that

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Speaker 5: time period, So I think we have to rely on

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Speaker 5: the fact that that video was actually correct and true,

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Speaker 5: and the police have never said It's not.

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Speaker 2: A night out with friends turns into a nightmare when

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Speaker 2: promising young med student Brian Shaeffer disappears.

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Speaker 1: By all accounts, Schaeffer goes right back in the door

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Speaker 1: into the ugly tune of Selena, and you can see

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Speaker 1: him following the two women he meets just outside the door,

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Speaker 1: and there's only one place to go, going in that

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Speaker 1: direction into the bar. No one disputes that. Okay, how

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Speaker 1: did we get here? In order to evaluate a missing

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Speaker 1: person or a murder case, you start with knowing your victim.

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Speaker 1: Everything you can find out about the victim, it may

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Speaker 1: have a huge impact on where they are and what

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Speaker 1: happened to him. So who is Brian Schaeffer listen?

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Speaker 3: Brian Shaffer grows up in Baltimore, Ohio, with his younger

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Speaker 3: pursuing a degree in microbiology at the University of Ohio.

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Speaker 3: Randy and Renee Schaeffer couldn't be more proud when their

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Speaker 1: The apple of his parents' eyes, Brian Schaeffer seemingly goes

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer joining US,

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Speaker 1: former prosecutor, author of the Executioners, Told the Crimes, theres trials, appeals,

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Speaker 1: Matt thank you for being with us. There's so many

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Speaker 1: What do you make of this surveillance video?

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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, I think the most crucial aspect of this

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Speaker 7: You know, he has.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 8: I don't know how big you know this this saloon is,

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Speaker 6: They're coming out, they're waiting for him.

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Speaker 8: You know what transpires in those five minutes that I

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Speaker 6: You know what did anybody else see?

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. Let me go straight up to

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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher joining us Missing Person Private Investigator and you

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Speaker 7: Listen, thank you.

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Speaker 1: The guys with the two women, the two women go

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Speaker 7: It's literally like he turned into a ghost.

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Speaker 9: I mean, as an investigator, this has everything that you want,

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Speaker 9: Like you mentioned, it has surveillance of all the entrances

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Speaker 9: I mean he left, I mean he's not there.

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Speaker 1: It's extremely bizarre. Steve and again, and I'm gonna touch

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Speaker 10: Brian Schaefer makes the thirty minute drive from Columbus to

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Speaker 2: A mysterious cell being a potential sighting in Mexico, but

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Speaker 2: What did happen to Brian?

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Speaker 1: Safer? Again? Not the first time a victim has gone

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Speaker 11: At one fifteen am, Schaeffer, Florence, and Reed head up

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Speaker 1: And isn't it true to Crime online dot Com investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter Sydney Sumner's that video evidence CCTV, all sorts of

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Speaker 1: hard evidence, does not reveal Brian Schaefer ever leaving that bar,

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Speaker 1: not going back down the escalator, which is where he

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Speaker 1: have anything so far, any CCTV anything to suggest he

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Speaker 4: Bar, Nancy, There is nothing, And Columbus is actually it

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Speaker 4: So this entire city is covered in cameras, and we

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Speaker 4: should have some indication as to where Shaper went. Police

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Speaker 4: went to the Gateway building. They checked all of those cameras,

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Speaker 4: They checked cameras at three other bars they had been

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Speaker 1: Nothing.

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Speaker 4: There is just nothing to indicate that Shaper ever left

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Speaker 1: And Sidney Sumner. What about those two women? Have they

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Speaker 4: Yes, they have been identified, questioned and they were both

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Speaker 4: cleared as suspects. They said that they spoke with Shafer

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Speaker 4: very briefly. He left the conversation. They don't know where

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Speaker 1: Okay to Todd Shipley, joining US digital cybercrime expert, former

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Speaker 1: find him at dark intel dot info. Todd Shipley. We

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Speaker 1: can very easily make out him and his friends coming

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Speaker 1: up the escalator, even if he had on a hat,

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Speaker 1: which there's no evidence he put on a hat, Even

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Speaker 1: evidence he did that, either, we would have seen him

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Speaker 1: those theories, again, those are just wild conspiracy theories. There's

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Speaker 1: no evidence either of those things happen that he put

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Speaker 5: Well exactly. I mean, the video stands for itself. I

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Speaker 1: The bar Sidney Summer joining us Crime online dot Com Sidney,

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Speaker 1: I'm only bringing up that back exit so everybody knows

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, Sidney. I've told you this once,

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Speaker 1: that said dogs were brought in to pursue the Zamy

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Speaker 1: out this service door that leads to a construction area

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Speaker 1: And I guarantee you I would trust a dog even

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that back exit. Realistically, we would have seen

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Speaker 1: You know, City Cumner, You've been reporting for quite a

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Speaker 1: while and he've always struck me as a very rational,

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Speaker 4: That's the first time we've heard of it, Nancy, where

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Speaker 1: How would he have gotten into a giant dumpster with

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Speaker 1: I mean, they bring hold on, let me bring it

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Speaker 1: deserve that. Steve Fisher missing Person's private investigator? Do you

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Speaker 1: discussing it to appease the conspiracy theorists. Even if this

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Speaker 1: by the dogs, there's no witness, nothing, that all the

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Speaker 9: Explained, Yeah, the dogs simply would not miss that. I'm

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Speaker 9: National Training Center and they'll actually take tiny pieces of flesh,

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Speaker 9: like you said, and they'll try to mask the scent

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Speaker 7: So that theory.

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Speaker 9: And also people start producing death scent, you know, right

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Speaker 9: can't hide it. They're just that good.

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Speaker 1: Well, not only that, Steve Fisher, cadaver dogs were brought

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Speaker 1: in in addition to bloodhounds or scent dogs to pick

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Speaker 1: going down that back entrance.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think law enforcements were very clear that

434
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Speaker 9: they've ruled out that back interest. And also there was

435
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Speaker 9: from I understand, there was a security guard stationed at

436
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Speaker 9: the back entrance and that's where the band was playing,

437
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Speaker 9: and he would have had to walk through the band

438
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Speaker 9: to get to the door.

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Speaker 2: Brian's disappearance remains a perplexing mystery to the city of

440
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Speaker 2: Columbus almost two decades later.

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Speaker 1: Not only would Brian Schaefer have to go down a

442
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Speaker 1: ladder or have a key to a freight elevator which

443
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Speaker 1: he did not send dogs and cadaver dogs do not

444
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Speaker 1: pick on his scent going down that back exit, And

445
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Speaker 1: according to Steve Fisher, who is correct, he would have

446
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: to have passed a security guard and a band that

447
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: did not happen. I like to also point out, and

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Speaker 1: Sidney correct me if I'm wrong, that the dogs also

449
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: looked at pass leading from the bar. We've got nothing, Okay,

450
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: she's not in her hand, yes, Doctor Angie Arnold joining

451
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Speaker 1: me renown psychiatrist out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angelo

452
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Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. Why do conspiracy theorists exist? Because yes,

453
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: there haven't been, There have been a few conspiracies that

454
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Speaker 1: actually worked, but for the most part they don't work.

455
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: I promise you the LAPD did not join in on

456
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Speaker 1: a really big conspiracy to frame a beloved football star,

457
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: Oj Simpson. That did not happen. It did not happen.

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Speaker 1: Don't you know that one of them would have made

459
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Speaker 1: a deal with a publisher by now a two three

460
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: million dollar deal to tell the truth about the murders.

461
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: Same thing here. Why do the conspiracy theorists do what

462
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Speaker 1: they do?

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Speaker 12: Well, Nancy, think about who conspiracy theorists are. There are

464
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Speaker 12: always people out there that live on the fringes that

465
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 12: they want to come up with the craziest, most off

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Speaker 12: the wall idea that they can sometimes in the hopes.

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Speaker 1: Of their own notoriety.

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Speaker 12: And that's why I believe conspiracy theorists exists. And then unfortunately,

469
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 12: with some conspiracy theorists, they become delusional and they believe

470
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Speaker 12: what they're saying, and they go down a rabbit hole

471
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Speaker 12: and they stay there. But when you think of when

472
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Speaker 12: you think of the continuum of the types of people

473
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Speaker 12: that exist on the earth, not everybody falls under the

474
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Speaker 12: Bell curve, and so there are always people on the

475
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Speaker 12: edges of the bell curve. That want to think of

476
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Speaker 12: the craziest scenarios that they can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you can't put that in front of a jury, guys.

478
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: Local police dotted their eyes and crossed their teas.

479
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 10: Listen Columbus PD polygraphs. Those who last saw Brian Shaeffer,

480
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 10: including Randy Shaeffer and Meredith Reid, both pass and are

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Speaker 10: cleared as suspects. However, Clint Florence refuses to submit to

482
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Speaker 10: the light detector test. Investigators theorize that perhaps Brian Shaeffer,

483
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 10: still grieving the death of his mother, left town for

484
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Speaker 10: some solitude, but with no activity on his cell phone

485
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Speaker 10: or bank accounts, there's no indication to where he might

486
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Speaker 10: have gone.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's bs right there. He did not leave town

488
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: for a long time. He just met with his father

489
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Speaker 1: for dinner. He would not have done that to his father.

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00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: There's no indication that happened. More conspiracy theories. No atm us,

491
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Speaker 1: no credit card, use, nav on his car, nothing, nothing

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Speaker 1: to support that theory. But listen to this weird fact.

493
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Speaker 3: Alexis Wagoner called Brian Shaeffer's cell phone at least once

494
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: a day before going to bed, at most hoping he

495
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: might answer, at least getting to hear his voicemail. Six

496
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: months after his disappearance, Shaeffer's voicemail doesn't immediately play. Instead,

497
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Speaker 3: the phone rings three times. Wagoner immediately reports it to police,

498
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: and investigators find that the phone pinged in Hilliard, a

499
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Speaker 3: suburb of Columbus, fourteen miles northwest. Shaeffer's cel phone company

500
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: says the activity is likely just to glitch, but family

501
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: and friends hope it is an indication that Brian is alive.

502
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Speaker 1: Holding on to any innycentilla of evidence that Brian could

503
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: be alive, the theories that he is alive only deepen

504
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: after this.

505
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Speaker 11: Two years after Brian Shaffer's disappearance, a large storm blows

506
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Speaker 11: through Baltimore, Ohio. Ry Shaeffer tries to cross his yard

507
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 11: to retrieve something from his tool shed when a tree

508
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 11: branch snaps, hitting him and killing him. Days after his death,

509
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Speaker 11: Randy Shaffer's online obituary gets a comment reading, I love

510
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Speaker 11: you Dad, Love Brian. Us Virgin Islands investigators believe they've

511
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 11: gotten their break. Did Shaeffer leave the country and start

512
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 11: a band, plans he had jokingly mentioned to med school friends.

513
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 11: The message turns out to be a cruel hoax, leading

514
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Speaker 11: only to yet another dead end.

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Speaker 1: You know, I could spend a whole hour talking about

516
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: what jackass did that writing a note from Brian on

517
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Speaker 1: his online obituary to his father that said, another dead end.

518
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: I keep talking about another case where someone goes in

519
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: and building and never comes out. I'm talking about Annie Lee. Listen.

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Speaker 13: When police learn Annie Lay was never seen leaving the

521
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 13: Amistade Street building, they must assume Lay is still inside.

522
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 13: Investigators combed the build, discovering bloody clothes hidden above a

523
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Speaker 13: ceiling tile. Three days after Annie Lay is reported missing,

524
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Speaker 13: and the day of her planned wedding, Lay's body is

525
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Speaker 13: found stuffed in a cable chassis in a basement laboratory.

526
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Speaker 2: Lay had been strangled. A twenty seven year old medical

527
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Speaker 2: student vanishes into thin air. Surveillance captures him entering a

528
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Speaker 2: bar but never leaving.

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Speaker 1: Where is Brian Schaeffer? In the last months, another young

530
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Speaker 1: man disappears en route to a bar.

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Speaker 14: Listen, it is it that you're wanting to report us missing.

532
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Speaker 14: We're here on a fraternity formal trip. It's one of.

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Speaker 7: My good buddies. Okay, what is his name?

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Speaker 14: His name is Riley Straane Riley ri I L E.

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Speaker 14: Y Strane str And what was he last being wearing

536
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Speaker 14: outside of Luke Brian's Bar last night at Lake ten

537
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Speaker 14: and then the last time his location on his phone

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Speaker 14: was by the Sheriff's office, I like eleve them.

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00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: Riley's train leaving Luke's Bar wasn't seen alive again. Quite

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00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: a period of time passed before his body was found

541
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Speaker 1: in a body of water, still under mysterious circumstances. And

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Speaker 1: He's not the only one. What about Andy Tinch.

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Speaker 3: Andy Tinch has plans to spend the night out in Charlotte,

544
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Speaker 3: North Carolina, to celebrate his thirty first birthday. Monday morning,

545
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Speaker 3: Tinch misses his shift at his nursing job. His family

546
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: immediately reports him missing. Later that night, Tench's car is

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Speaker 3: found abandoned in Monroe. As the investigation continues, police get

548
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Speaker 3: a tip that Tinch was seen at Bar three sixteen

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Speaker 3: around twelve thirty am. This is the last known sighting

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Speaker 3: of Andy tent So Andy Tinch seemingly goes into a

551
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: bar and never comes out. I know the answer to

552
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: that riddle. Tench was murdered.

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Speaker 1: His body was disposed of in the garbage. That theory

554
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: has been researched and investigated extensively. In Brian Schaffer's case,

555
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: that did not happen. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 13: Over the years, many have theorized about what happened to

557
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Speaker 13: Brian Schaeffer. Did Schaeffer change closed and simply wasn't recognized

558
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 13: coming down the escalator? Was he killed and dismembered hidden

559
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 13: in an empty keg, did a member of the band

560
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 13: stuff his body into an instrument case? Or was he

561
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 13: hidden in the building's infrastructure concealed by the ongoing construction.

562
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Speaker 13: Columbus PD hopes to one day have the answer for

563
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 13: Shaffer's loved ones and is still asking the public for

564
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Speaker 13: any information they might have. Central Ohio Crime Stoppers is

565
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Speaker 13: offering a one hundred thousand dollars reward for tips that

566
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Speaker 13: help locate Brian Schaeffer.

567
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Speaker 1: A one hundred thousand dollars reward tip line sixty one

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Speaker 1: four four five four six two four. What happened to Brian?

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Speaker 1: To Matthew men Gino, best theory, well, absolutely supernatural.

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Speaker 6: He either walked out, was carried out, or is still there.

571
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Speaker 6: I mean that there aren't any other options than that,

572
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Speaker 6: and that's where the bizarre unsolved aspect of.

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Speaker 1: Biness, walked out, carried out, or never leaves. What about it,

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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher.

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Speaker 7: I think he gets out of the building.

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Speaker 9: I think somehow there's a blind spot in the surveillance,

577
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 9: and not on purpose, but I think he, you know,

578
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 9: gets out and then and something happens to him and

579
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Speaker 9: most likely ends up, you know, in the water or

580
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Speaker 9: something like that.

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Speaker 7: Much like Riley Stream good.

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Speaker 1: Theory, Steve Fisher, except for the friends were waiting for

583
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Speaker 1: him just outside the building. Doctor Angie Arnold jump in.

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Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, medical school is very stressful. His mother

585
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Speaker 12: dying was very stressful. I have this gut feeling that

586
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Speaker 12: he disappeared and he's living his life somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: That's really what I think, Nancy.

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00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: All right, Doctor Angie, I thought you were going to

589
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Speaker 1: go down that route. I thought you might go with suicide.

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00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: So you're saying that he is left behind the fiance,

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00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: all of his relatives and his father to suffer because

592
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Speaker 1: he wanted alone time.

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Speaker 12: I didn't say because he wanted alone time, Nancy, I

594
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 12: said because maybe he wanted to disappear. Maybe he didn't

595
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Speaker 12: want to be a doctor anymore. Maybe he didn't want

596
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 12: to marry his fiance anymore. Maybe the stress of his

597
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 12: mother dying pushed him over the edge, after the stress

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Speaker 12: of going to medical school. Nancy, it's a theory that

599
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Speaker 12: has to be considered.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me circle back to Sidney Sumner. Sidney Sumner, Yes, No,

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Speaker 1: didn't this occur in April of two thousand and six.

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Speaker 4: That is completely correct. Eighteen years, two months and three

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Speaker 4: days ago.

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Speaker 1: Todd Shiffley's joining me digital cybercrime. For Todd Shipley, this

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Speaker 1: guy would have to have some sort of a digital imprint. Now,

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Speaker 1: there would have to be a fingerprint, a something showing

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Speaker 1: that he was still alive.

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Speaker 5: Well, cell phones are uniquely identified in the system by

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00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 5: their serial number, their Imei number, and so when that

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00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 5: rings six months later and they're identifying that ping fourteen

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Speaker 5: miles away in Hilliard, something occurred. I can't believe that

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Speaker 5: it was actually just a glitch. And in fact, there's

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Speaker 5: a recycling company that is up there in Hilliard and

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00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 5: started about a year before he went missing. So somebody

615
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 5: could have turned the phone in and they happened to

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Speaker 5: turn it on for whatever reason, and it happened. I

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Speaker 5: think there's some evidence that we haven't found surrounding that phone,

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Speaker 5: and we need to find.

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Speaker 1: City Summer joining us crime online dot Com. The phone

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Speaker 1: disappeared along with him. Correct, it is correct.

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Speaker 4: Brand's car was found outside of his spertman.

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Speaker 1: Ah Okay, so we would have I have to believe,

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Speaker 1: logically speaking, that he became separated from his phone and

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Speaker 1: that the phone somehow activated. I'm thinking long and hard

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00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: about that, and I've got to reconcile it with the

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Speaker 1: fact that I do not believe he would have left

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Speaker 1: his father, relatives, friends, fiance behind and suffering to have

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Speaker 1: alone time or to disappear. He was more determined to

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Speaker 1: get through med school after his mother's death than ever.

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Speaker 1: That was his mission. I'm not buying it, you see,

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Speaker 1: Gray signing off, goodbye friend,