1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up Rocks by the Fields Total Group. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Jaguar Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst and former 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter JP Shadwick bring you 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars. 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now and welcome in. 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks is brought to you by 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: Fields Auto Group, Jacksonville c Fields First, Jacksonville's premiere luxury 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: auto group. Go to Fieldsauto dot com. JP Shadrick with 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 3: John Oser, We're at the Hondai Studios inside the Miller 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: Electric Center. Bucky Brooks is in Los Angeles and we 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: are closing in on the NFL Draft for twenty twenty five. Bucky, 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: good afternoon. 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 4: What's that nflas how you doing a couple of sleeps 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 4: before the draft and before. 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: We bring in some new Jaguars. So that's that's exciting. 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: John has fired up Bucky. 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: Look man, this is the custom. Yeah, this week has 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: to be everything that John lives for. 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 4: You got Mini camp going, you got the draft coming up, 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 4: you got a little bit of now, you got a 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 4: little bit of the future. 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: What else could you want? 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 5: Well, it's it's happening. It is happening, and there's ten picks. 24 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 5: Hopefully they trade down Bucky and get that number to 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 5: about fourteen. That's my ideal draft. It's about fourteeneen with 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 5: about eleven on Saturday. 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 6: I see that's a great draft. 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 4: That is a great draft, And I in preparation for 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 4: the podcast, I did a little research where The Athletic 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 4: had a great piece that featured our own James glass 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 4: Stone from a couple of years ago, where they did 32 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 4: a thing called Finding Rams and it was a deep 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 4: dive in the RAMS scouting process that led them to 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 4: draft their guys last year. And looking at that, it 35 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: gave me a little insight in terms of how glass 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 4: Stone and the staff may look at the process. 37 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: And they were. 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: Very intentional about eliminating kind of group think, a lot 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 4: of anonymous surveys, a lot of things designed to get 40 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 4: the real opinion out so you know, if guys really 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 4: fit the brand and the culture and those things. So 42 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 4: I'm excited to see how it plays out because the 43 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: Rams were very successful finding guys in all stages of 44 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 4: the draft. They were able to find starters in the third, four, fifth, 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 4: and sixth rounds and so I want to see if 46 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 4: some of that secret sauce they. 47 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: Glasstone used with them, some of that works down in 48 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: North Florida. 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm. 50 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 5: I will say this, after thirty years of doing the draft, 51 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 5: I am looking forward to that element of it, Bucky, 52 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 5: because I haven't I haven't watched that before, and I 53 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 5: think that is gonna be fascinating this weekend. I think 54 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 5: that's a major storyline, is how Gladstone's philosophy and it's 55 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 5: not just him, but how that permeates the organization and 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 5: what that looks like it to see it, you know, 57 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 5: as you're writing this or as we're talking about it 58 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 5: next week, will we be able to see that theme 59 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 5: running through the class. 60 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: I think we will. Yeah. 61 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 4: I think we should give I want to give everyone 62 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: a little homework, like everyone to deep dive in the process. 63 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 4: So any athletic come on homework is fine. Jordan REVRII 64 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 4: she was the one that wrote it. But it was 65 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 4: a fascinating two part piece and it talked about the analytics. 66 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 4: It talked about the profiling systems that they use. It 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 4: talked about how they get to the heart of the prospects. 68 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 4: It also revealed why they don't do thirty visits to 69 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: not kind of tip their hand in terms of who 70 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 4: they like, but they go a different way where they 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 4: use the scouts to either meet prospects in their hometowns 72 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 4: or within their schools, because you can be there within 73 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: like you can have a visit within fifty miles of 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: your school or your hometown, So it allows you to 75 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 4: do some of the things that you would do at 76 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 4: a thirty visit without the lead ignoring exactly who you're 77 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: on what you're thinking the guys in a more comfortable environment, 78 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 4: you're able to not only get them on the board 79 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 4: and see what their football stuff is, but you really 80 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 4: around them a lot. And they haven't fully baked out 81 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 4: the staff that I think the way they will do 82 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 4: it when he's able to after the draft kind of 83 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 4: put it together. But a lot of their over the 84 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 4: top guys, a lot of their senior scouts, who either 85 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 4: have coaching backgrounds or playing backgrounds, do a real deep 86 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 4: dive on the prospects and they report back and it's 87 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 4: really impactful in terms of how they view prospects and 88 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: who they deem to be the good fits or not. 89 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: Bucky, as you mentioned, we're two sleeps away from the 90 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: NFL Draft. What's your feeling right now? Of the top four? 91 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 3: Are they pretty much locked in? Could there be something 92 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: dramatic that happens ahead of number five? And you know 93 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: the number five? If the four are locked in, five 94 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: could be where it swings the entire top half of 95 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: the first round for the Jags. 96 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: Right, I'm pretty confident, but I put an asterisk by 97 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: the third overall pick, the New York Giants. I'm pretty 98 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 4: confident that the first two names to go off the 99 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 4: bord are gonna be Cambwood and Travis Hunter. I'm about 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 4: sixty forty on the number three pick the Giants taken 101 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: Abdul Carter. The only thing to me that could upset 102 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 4: that is if the owner was like, I want a quarterback, 103 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 4: and I want a quarterback now. Like to me, that 104 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 4: would be the thing that sets it off. Patriots at four. 105 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 4: I feel pretty good that, like, unless something happens where 106 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 4: a if should Dour Sanders or the second quarterback goes 107 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: at three, then they probably would flip and take up 108 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 4: to a quarter at four. If not, Will Campbell appears 109 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: to be the guy. And then at five, the board 110 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 4: is wide open and the Jaguars is gonna have to 111 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: make a choice on what. 112 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: Do they want. 113 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: Do they want the blue chip prospect because I think 114 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 4: they're only five in there. I've named most of them already. 115 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 4: But you're gonna have ask Gent there. You can have 116 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 4: Mason Graham there, you can have Jaylen Walker there, Jamon 117 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 4: Walker there. Like to me, that's it in terms of 118 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 4: the blue chip guys, and then you get to the 119 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 4: very good players. So but it apeears to be like 120 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 4: pretty static, and it'd be like that until they started, 121 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 4: and someone's gonna do something silly to throw it all off. 122 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 5: So so in your opinion, Tyler Warren not blue chip. 123 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: Mm hmm, he's in that category. I mean, like he's 124 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 4: a blue chip. So I wouldn't put Mason grind. I 125 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 4: didn't have Mason Graham in that surefire thing got you. 126 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 4: And so the five that I would have Travis Hunter, 127 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: Abdull Carter Gent, then Walker and Warren like those are 128 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 4: the guys that will be there. 129 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: But I would say Mason Graham is close. 130 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: And I'm gonna say this, the guy that is really 131 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: close and we haven't talked about him a lot, the 132 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 4: Walker Nolan from Ole Miss. He's another one that people 133 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 4: are buzzing on and he could go a lot sooner 134 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: than people have talked about. 135 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 3: It's Travis Hunter, the type that you can would even 136 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: consider packaging something to try to move up, like if 137 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: you think he's a slam duncan two. And let's say, 138 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: for example, this team really really wants him. What what 139 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: is the market for that? 140 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: A lot? 141 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: Because the team, the team, the team up there, Cleveland 142 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: likes him. Uh, Cleveland already kind of tipped a hand 143 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 4: and saying that they like him as a wide receiver 144 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 4: first over a defensive back. 145 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: He's unique in terms of just what he brings to 146 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: the table. 147 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: Look at it's the first time I've ever graded someone 148 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 4: number one at two positions, number one at wide receiver. 149 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: Number one at corner. 150 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 4: It's the first time that we're legitimately seeing a two 151 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 4: way player. The only one that I can say close 152 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 4: to that was Champ Bailey because Champ Bailey's final season 153 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 4: at he pretty much played full time at wide receiver 154 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: or whatever. Charles Wilson dibbled and dabbled. Other guys that 155 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 4: dibbled and dabbled. This dude is a legitimate two way player. 156 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 4: He is doing what you do at bowls high school. 157 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 4: What you do at rain It's like, hey, you play, 158 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 4: you get some water, and you come back and play 159 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 4: on the other side, Like we've never seen anything like 160 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 4: this show Atani is how people that made the comparison. 161 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: That's what the general manager of the Browns talked about, 162 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 4: and in a way, that's who he is. But the 163 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 4: Otani comparison I think is interesting because I think it 164 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 4: speaks to how you really need to play him. So 165 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 4: when people make the reference to Otani, they talk about 166 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 4: what he pitches, and he hiss, but he pitches every 167 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 4: five days. He doesn't pitch every day. So with Travis Hunter, 168 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 4: to me, it's a little bit of that. He plays 169 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 4: full time one spot, part time at another spot. I 170 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 4: don't think you want to play him one hundred percent 171 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: on both sides of the ball, but he certainly can 172 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 4: be a man and a half player full time one way, 173 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: time the other way, and you still get a lot 174 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 4: of contributions from on both sides of the ball. 175 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: Toy comparison real quick John, But then he gets hurt 176 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: and he can't pitch for a year, so you're losing 177 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:10,239 Speaker 3: a spot. 178 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 4: There, and they still won the World Series because because 179 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 4: he was he was available or whatever. 180 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: I think. 181 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 4: Look, I think I don't think we can get caught 182 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 4: up in like the hurt factor and whatever. Anybody can 183 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 4: get hurt. All these guys like run the risk of 184 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 4: getting hurt. I think what you want to do is 185 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: And the reason why I would say Travis is different. 186 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: He never stopped doing the two way thing. 187 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 4: A lot of the guys, when we propose the two 188 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 4: way thing, the two way in high school, they go 189 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: one way in college and then oh, let's go two 190 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 4: way again. He never stopped that process. Now at Jackson State, 191 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: not a Colorado, this is all he knows. Well, if 192 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 4: if this is all he knows, he certainly understands it. 193 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: And also I will say this about the kid and 194 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 4: everybody that I know that knows him, that's been around him, 195 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: he only cares about a few things. He cares about ball, 196 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 4: and he cares about fishing. He doesn't have any other 197 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 4: hobbies outside of that. So if he's not at the facility, 198 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 4: he's gonna be at your lake, your pond fishing. That's 199 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 4: what he does. And to me, I'm all in on 200 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 4: someone who is really all about ball in debt regard, 201 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 4: and so I would give him every opportunity to do it. 202 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 4: I still think you can protect him against himself by 203 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: as we say packages. So if he's a full time 204 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 4: wide receiver, let's put him on the field on third 205 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 4: down on defense so he. 206 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: Can play nickel or dime. 207 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 4: Or if he's full time on defense, let's make him 208 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 4: the wide receiver three, wide receiver four on offense. To me, 209 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 4: it comes down to the coach thinking out of the 210 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: box and being really creative. I can tell you now 211 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 4: it's a high school coach. I figured out, I can 212 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: figure out. I figure out how to play him. Hey, 213 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: you tired, buddy, go go sit down when we need 214 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: to play Travis. 215 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: Come on here. It's not that hard. Don't make it. 216 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: Don't make it hard. 217 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 4: I mean, there are a bunch of high school coaches 218 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 4: in Jacksonville that can figure out how to use them 219 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 4: two ways. I think if anything, can go knock on 220 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 4: some doors and say, hey, guys, how would you use 221 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 4: this displayer? 222 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: How would you maximize as. 223 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 5: Telling yeah, I only have two thoughts on Travis Hunter. 224 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 5: One of them I'm not even sure I'm right on, 225 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 5: which wouldn't be a surprise. 226 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: JP. 227 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 5: It's uh, but you know, does the two way position 228 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 5: and I don't think it's as much of a concern 229 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 5: as if they were a two a lineman. Does playing 230 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 5: two ways over the course of time take a toll 231 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 5: and wear a guy down or shortened career. I don't 232 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 5: necessarily think so, but since we haven't seen it before, 233 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 5: I think it's something to wonder. But as far as 234 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 5: the other tiny thing, I think that's a key thing 235 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 5: because for years people sort of went along and assumed, 236 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 5: you know, if you I was a baseball fan growing up, 237 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 5: I'm not really now, but if you told me five 238 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 5: years ago, could somebody do this? Or or before he 239 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 5: came on the radar ten years ago, JP, you're a 240 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 5: baseball guy, everybody in baseball has said no way, Like 241 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 5: you wouldn't have even aught written. 242 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 6: That down as a possibility. 243 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 5: And now this guy's, from what I understand the best 244 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 5: at both right like he's well, is that maybe what 245 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 5: we're looking at to where you have to back up 246 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 5: and say, hey, hey, John, just because you thought five 247 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 5: years ago this could never happen, maybe he can go 248 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 5: and play all play like you have to sometimes back 249 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 5: up from thinking and maybe all this previous thinking is wrong. 250 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: Well, as the resident Dodger fan on the podcast, I 251 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 4: can tell you that Tony has been able to do it, 252 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 4: but I would say that even then, there's been some 253 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: conversation about Otany, like, hey, rather than use him as 254 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 4: a starter, why not use him out of the bullpen? 255 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 4: Like why not preserve him a little bit? So, Hey, 256 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: we're getting the two way thing. But let's see if 257 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: we can do it in a smarter way. Let's make 258 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 4: him a middle reliever, Let's make him a closer. Let's 259 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: use him differently than Hey, we need to give you 260 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 4: the ball and you're gonna go five or six innings. 261 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: There are different ways to do it. 262 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 4: I think we travel center at a time now where 263 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: we have all the GPS, the testing, we have all 264 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 4: the data. You can actually look at how much his 265 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 4: workload was during the week, during the game, and then 266 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 4: Taylor his practice time during the week to make sure 267 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: that he's fresh. There are so many different ways and 268 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 4: so many advancements when it comes to the data tracking 269 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 4: and all of that. I think it's the best time 270 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 4: now to be able to take a player like that 271 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 4: and also understand this. The college game operates at a 272 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 4: much faster clip than the pro game. I think on offense, 273 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 4: in the college game, they'd getting up to eighty ninety 274 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: snaps some games. The pro game at the top of 275 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: the ladder, you're talking about maybe seventy five offensive snaps 276 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 4: most people, most teams settle in at sixty to sixty four. Well, 277 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 4: I mean, we're almost cutting his load by a third 278 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 4: just in changing the game. And then if you carefully 279 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 4: pick and choose when you utilize him and those things, 280 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 4: there are ways to do it, and there's ways to 281 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 4: maximize it. 282 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: Look, I'm just fascinated. 283 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 4: I know he would create not only buzz in the sands, 284 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 4: but when you have one as special as as he is, 285 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 4: and the plays that he has made throughout his time 286 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 4: at Jackson State and Colorado Man, why wouldn't you want 287 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 4: to tap into it. 288 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: Think about the number of snaps here that he played 289 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: last season fifteen hundred and fifty two total snaps last year, 290 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty three on offense, seven to seventy 291 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: six on defense, oh in twenty three on special teams 292 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: as well. 293 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, they stopped the clock for five minutes after every 294 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 5: first down in college not anymore. 295 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: That rule changed. That rule change. 296 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: They have a running clock now, okay. 297 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: And independent Now the thing is he did have an injury. 298 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: He missed some games last year, so then you divide 299 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 4: that by the number of games that he played in 300 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 4: those days. I do believe that there would be times 301 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 4: I would say this, you pick and choose the way 302 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: that you utilize them based on the opponent. Every week 303 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 4: may not be a week that he is This might 304 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 4: be a week like, hey, let's dial it back. We 305 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 4: may not need him as much on offense, we may 306 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 4: not need him as much on defense based on the opponent. 307 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 4: And that's not being disrespectful, but it's just being smart. 308 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 4: Given the matchups and those things. I'm fascinated about it. It 309 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 4: would be uh man, it would be so much fun 310 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: to see him in a Jaguars uniform to see what 311 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 4: he can do. But it's gonna be expensive to be 312 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 4: able to get that, uh, that young man to Jacksonville. 313 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: Please pray segment. But we'll see. 314 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: We'll see if we can send this segment to another 315 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: team that gets him. 316 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: Uh. 317 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 3: It's a huddle up with Bucky Brooks, JP Shatterick, and 318 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: John Oser and the draft of courses. This week, it's 319 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: time to celebrate the fifth overall pick or if they 320 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 3: move up with a newly released draft cap. 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The Genty there, running 330 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: back of the Boise State who finished second to Travis 331 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: Hunter and the Heisman Trophy balloting last year, only a 332 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: little over two hundred points behind him, fairly close. That 333 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: Genty could be there and could be a game changing 334 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: type of player. But that's not going to change now, 335 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 3: Bucky if you think that way already. But this is 336 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: this is a player that could could be there and 337 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: be ready, be ready to go and be there at 338 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 3: number five. 339 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he could be there, and so like I 340 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: had to make the comparison. 341 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: People have talked. 342 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: About ceilings and floors at his best, who could he 343 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 4: be at his worst? Who do you expect him to be. 344 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 4: I would say at his I made a projection that 345 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: he would be like Ladani and Thomlinson. At his worst, 346 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 4: he could be Josh Jacobs if you think about the 347 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 4: impact that those two guys have had in the league, 348 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 4: won a Hall of Fame, with the other one a 349 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 4: rushing champ. I would be okay with that. And the 350 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 4: reason why is with three years, we've seen Trevor and 351 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 4: we've had this office kind of run through Trevor, which 352 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 4: is great, but I would love to see how Trevor 353 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 4: is able to operate if he didn't have to be 354 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 4: the driving force and he was more of the managerial type. 355 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: And I know people get. 356 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 4: Hung up on the money and fifty million dollars for 357 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 4: someone that you're asking to manage the game. No, but 358 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 4: you're paying him the money because with your franchise quarterback, 359 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 4: their belief is not that he has to do it 360 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 4: for all seventeen games, is that he needs to be 361 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 4: special for five to six games. Well, if we can 362 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 4: lighten the load and have someone else that can take 363 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 4: some of that burden off of him in terms of 364 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 4: having to be great each week, it really opens it 365 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 4: up for everybody else. I just know that when you 366 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 4: have an elite running back in the backfield, it changes 367 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 4: the way that defenses. 368 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: Have to deal with the offense. 369 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 4: And if we want Brian Thomas Junior to continue to 370 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 4: have explosive plays down the field, if you want to 371 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 4: see where Brenton Strange can do, if we want to 372 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 4: see what some of these other playmakers can do. 373 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: When you put an. 374 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 4: Elite running back in the backfield, now you get more 375 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: one on one opportunities, more deep balls, more explosive plays, 376 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 4: and you have an opportunity to control with the clock. 377 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 4: And if we start following the Brad crumbs in terms 378 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 4: of Liam Cohn and where he came from and the 379 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 4: centers of influence, the Rams were at their best when 380 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 4: Todd Gurley. 381 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 2: Was Offensive Player of the Year. When Todd Gurley was the. 382 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 4: Offensive Player of the Year, it allowed Jared Golf to 383 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 4: look like and play like a pro Bowl player. So 384 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 4: to me, it's not a disc to Trevor anybody else, 385 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 4: but by bringing in another talented player, it actually may 386 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 4: unlock some of the things that we haven't seen from 387 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 4: the quarterback. 388 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm I may have said this on this show before, 389 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 5: but I'm an absolute JP we talked football enough. I'm of 390 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 5: the school thought not a running back in the first 391 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 5: round guy, But. 392 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 6: That's a philosophy. 393 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 5: But you can't get tied into well, I believe this, 394 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 5: and so when the pick is there, if Anshton Genty 395 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 5: is that much better and you think he you know, 396 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 5: say it's Mason Graham and Eshton Jenny, theoretically, I would 397 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 5: definitely take the defensive tackle if he's dominant out of that, 398 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 5: Out of those two, I would take the offensive lineman 399 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 5: if I thought he was, you know, a ten, whatever 400 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 5: your grading system is. If he's a ten and and 401 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 5: Genty's a ten, I take the lineman over that. But 402 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 5: if he's not, or if you're talking about where can 403 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 5: I get more special on the roster? To me, right now, 404 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 5: you've got Brian Thomas junior special. I think Trayvon Walker's 405 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 5: got that trait. I think josh heinz Allen is there. 406 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 5: At times after that, you know, where's the hall of 407 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 5: Famer on the right? 408 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: You know? 409 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 5: Adding that, I always go back to the Eagles game 410 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 5: last year. The Jafferson Eagles weren't that much different that day, 411 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 5: except Saquon Barkley was a Hall of Fame talent and 412 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 5: Devontae Smith it was on that play looked like that 413 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 5: to me, those two plays made the difference in that game. 414 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 5: I didn't see every Eagles game, but I guess that 415 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 5: I'm guessing that happened a lot. And they're gonna be 416 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 5: wearing rings in May. So if it's a chance, buck, 417 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 5: you know, sometimes people get locked into this, well we 418 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 5: need a defensive tackle at this spot, Well who's the 419 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 5: defensive tackle? And you don't take a running back at 420 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 5: this spot, Well who's the running back? So I think 421 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 5: you have to remember your drafting people and what's going 422 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 5: to happen on Sundays, And I get that the career 423 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 5: longevity might not be as long for running back. I 424 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 5: also go back outside Biselli, how often has this franchise 425 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 5: drafted a guy in the first round and he's given 426 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 5: you six or seven MVP type years. It's happy, But 427 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 5: you know, if the running back gives you that, are 428 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 5: you complaining? If he's Dereck Henry, are you complaining? 429 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: So that's my thought on Yeah, so a few different things. 430 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: Talent trump's trends. 431 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 4: So if the guy is talented, you don't worry about 432 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 4: the trends of all we can get someone. 433 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: Later or whatever. 434 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 4: Also, there's a difference I think when we talk about 435 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 4: like the talent has to match up, But there is 436 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 4: a difference between taking a Fred Taylor and a Greg 437 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 4: Jones right because the rounds are different. 438 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 2: Like there's a difference. 439 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 4: When you saw Fred Taylor show up immediately first snap 440 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 4: he goes to the house, You're like, Oh, that looks different. 441 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 4: Like that's what we're talking about when we're doing it. 442 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 4: And so it's important that we're talking about the running back, 443 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 4: particularly at five. 444 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: He has to look like show that he has elite traits. 445 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 4: And he can be a guy that you could close 446 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 4: your eyes and within the first two or three years 447 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 4: of his existence in the league, he is a top 448 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 4: two or three player. 449 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: To me, genty shows that the other thing is on 450 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: a bigger level. You want to be great on one 451 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: side of the ball. 452 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 4: That's the easiest way to kind of close the gap 453 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 4: on your division rivals and do it. So, if we 454 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 4: look at the way the team is presently constructed, the 455 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: closest way to get great is to focus on the 456 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 4: offense as opposed to the defense. 457 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 2: It is easier to. 458 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 4: Go from being a middle to pack offense to be 459 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 4: in a top five offense than to go from being 460 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 4: thirty second in defense to oh, now we're going to 461 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 4: be a top five defense because we bring in a 462 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 4: defensive tackle. If we bring in Ashton genty and we 463 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 4: get the quarterback to play, you now can squint and say, like, 464 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 4: at a minimum, we could be close to being a 465 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 4: top ten offense. And if you think about the way 466 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 4: when you were in Indianapolis working, you saw Manning and 467 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 4: what did Bill Pollion do. 468 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: Well, first they had Marshall Falk. 469 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 4: Then when he got rid of Marshall, they got Edrin James, 470 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 4: which was controversial at the time, but he got him 471 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 4: with the top five pick, and you saw how that 472 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 4: impacted the offense. You also saw Bill polly in later 473 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 4: go down and get Joseph I. Dye, a first round 474 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 4: running back. If you're going to go all in on 475 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 4: the quarterback and based on how you paid them, you 476 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 4: have going all in. Well, now you've got to make 477 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 4: sure that you build up that side of the ball, 478 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 4: make sure you have talent on that side of the ball. 479 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: You invest in that side of the ball, and then 480 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: on defense. 481 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 4: You invest in pass rushers, and you got to figure 482 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: out a way for the coaches to develop the later 483 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 4: round picks to do it because all of the money 484 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 4: is going to go to offense and then your pass rushers. 485 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 4: And to me, I think that's where we're going as 486 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 4: opposed to the way that we were trying to build 487 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 4: a squad. 488 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, just to clarify that, Bill's philosophy on that, and 489 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 5: it's what sort of built those Colts teams. In the 490 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 5: Colts teams the Jaguars fans saw for ten years, his 491 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 5: thought was, if you're gonna have a franchise quarterback, which 492 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 5: which we believe Trevor is, then you better have a 493 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 5: first round left tackle, which they had in Tark Glenn, 494 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 5: and you better have first round playmakers around him. And 495 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 5: they had Marvin Harrison, Reggie, Wayne Dallas Clark, and Edrin James. 496 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 6: All those guys what first round picks the first round. 497 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 5: So now that's a way of doing it. But he 498 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 5: believed what you're talking about, Bucky, that hey, this is 499 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 5: what we are. 500 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 6: We have committed to this. 501 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 5: The defense is going to supplement the offense, but we're 502 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 5: going to have guys in the skill positions who are 503 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 5: first round blue chip talent who can beat single coverage 504 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 5: because you can't single coverage four guys. So if you have, 505 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 5: for if you have four first rounders, by theory, you're 506 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 5: going to be able to beat those matchups and you're 507 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 5: going to be good more often than not. So I 508 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 5: mean that fits into what we're talking about with Jenty. 509 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 5: It would fit into do you go out and follow 510 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 5: that up with a second round receiver. I don't know 511 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 5: where they're going after that, but it might show you 512 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 5: where you're going with the draft picks. As long as 513 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 5: you have Trevor Lawrence and believe he's a franchise. 514 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 4: Quarterback and to back that up. So I was drafted 515 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 4: in Buffalo after Poland had just left. They go four 516 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 4: straight Super Bowls and on that team you had Jim Kelly, 517 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, Andre Reid, Hall of Famer, Thurman Thrmer 518 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 4: Thomas hall of Famer. They invested, they had offensive tackles, 519 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 4: House Ballad and those guys like they were all about, 520 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 4: if we're gonna do this, we're gonna go heavily with 521 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: the talent on offense. 522 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 2: We had Bruce Smith on defense. 523 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 4: But the money that we're going to commit is we're 524 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 4: gonna pay for pass rushers and then we're paying for 525 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 4: offensive playmakers and those things. And look, man, I watched 526 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 4: the Coats win a lot of games, and that I 527 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 4: watched the Coats remain in the title conversation every year 528 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 4: as long as Peyton Manning had those players a run, 529 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 4: and it only went south when he got hurt. To me, 530 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 4: there's some thing to that, and if we even go 531 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 4: beyond it and we look at the way the Rams, 532 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 4: and I think is important to look at Rams because 533 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 4: both those guys are heavily influenced by that time with 534 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 4: the Rams. 535 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: Jered Golf was number one overall pick. 536 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 4: Even though McVeigh didn't make the pick, he saved him 537 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 4: Todd Gurley first round pick. You look at where they 538 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 4: put their weapons, their firepower. At one point they had 539 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks, they had Robert Woods, they had Cooper cup 540 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 4: Like they had interchangeable parts at wide receiver. But all 541 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 4: those guys were kind of high end talents, really good 542 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 4: offensive line. 543 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: And then who did. 544 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 4: They have on defense? They had Aaron Donald and Jalen 545 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 4: Rams are the only guys that we really can name 546 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 4: off their defense. So to me, it appears that that 547 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 4: would be more like the way that the team would. 548 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: Be built if we just follow what the history has been. 549 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: The Jags are coming to you. 550 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 3: Join us later today Tuesday, April twenty second for an 551 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: exclusive meet and greet with Jags legend David Garrard. The 552 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: event will be at Strings in Springfield in your neighborhood. 553 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 3: John from five point thirty to call NINEO four six 554 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 3: three three two thousand for more information. A's Tuddle Up 555 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 3: with Bucky Brooks, j P. Shadwick, John Osier NFL Draft Week. John, 556 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: You've been saying it, though, if you're going to rebuild 557 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 3: the offensive line at some point, you have to invest 558 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: picks in the offensive line as well as part of 559 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: this equation. 560 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 6: That's what I said. 561 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 5: It's it's uh the theory. If if there was a 562 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 5: great if BISSELLI wasn't sitting over there, if he was 563 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 5: sitting at Southern col right now, and you could get 564 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 5: him at number five or with their picking number two days, 565 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 5: I would say go with Bisel because he coming out he. 566 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 6: Was that blue ship guy. 567 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 5: I don't know that that is there in this draft. 568 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 6: All respect to Will Campbell. 569 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 5: Maybe he'll turn out to be that, but I don't 570 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 5: know that he's the dead solid lock no in that 571 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 5: So I think again, most people would say, Bucky that 572 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 5: Genty is a better prospect. I never heard anybody talk 573 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 5: about Will Campbell being in that top four or five, 574 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 5: So I think that's where you And again I don't 575 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 5: want to sound like I'm I'm trying to talk down 576 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 5: on Will campbellcause think he's go'd be great. 577 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 6: But if you're trying to figure that. 578 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 5: Out in this conversation, so many ozone questions I get, 579 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 5: or why don't they take offensive tackle? Well, you know, 580 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 5: offensive tackle isn't Tony Biselli, so you know, or that. 581 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 6: Level of player, if that level of player. 582 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,959 Speaker 5: Was there, I think they would definitely take an offensive 583 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 5: lineman because I'm I'm fully into what JP just said. 584 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 5: At some point, if you're going to be line centric, 585 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 5: you have to start drafting those guys high. But you 586 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 5: wishing that there was somebody there like that doesn't make it. 587 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 4: So no disrespect to a fellow legend, Luke jokel, but 588 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 4: we've seen that happen when you take someone who doesn't 589 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 4: it doesn't match up, you know in terms of like 590 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 4: oh wait a second overall pick, we need to take 591 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 4: a tackle, let's take them. Then you get he's disappointing. 592 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 4: That's why the emphasis has to be on the talent. 593 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 4: How talented is the player? Does the player have what 594 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 4: we call like gold jacket potential, you know, like Tony 595 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 4: Poselli is the perfect embodiment of what a top pick is. 596 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: Supposed to look like. 597 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 4: He is supposed to look like a Hall of Fame player, 598 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 4: and it should be very evident when they show up 599 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 4: when we're looking at and I say this, and I'm 600 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 4: being extremely like like I want to be respectful to 601 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 4: scouts in those things, but I'm be honest with you, like, hey, 602 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 4: it ain't that hard. When you're looking at the player 603 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 4: on Saturdays and they pop and they're dominating college football. 604 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 4: Those are the guys that you want. I want a 605 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 4: dominant player that I can see it. It look, it's 606 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 4: Malcolm Gladwell's book, blink. It should happen right away. I 607 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 4: shouldn't have to look at eight games and like, oh, 608 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: well maybe he can. It should pop right away. That's 609 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 4: what we're talking about at number five. And let's think 610 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 4: about Jalen Ramsey, because I think Jalen was the last 611 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 4: number five pick that we had Jalen Ramsey first. 612 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: To those things. That is how it needs to be. 613 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 4: I don't want to have to take long to figure out, Oh, 614 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 4: we got one. He's a good player. That's how easy 615 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 4: it should be. And I will say this before we 616 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 4: move on. We talked a lot about asking genty and 617 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 4: the running back. I do wonder whether it's at five 618 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 4: or whether it's a trade back and move back and 619 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 4: maybe get a playmaker, another wide receiver opposite. 620 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: Opposite a Brian Thomas junior. 621 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 4: And the only reason I'll say this is if we're 622 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 4: thinking about Trevor, because you want to keep Trevor in mind. 623 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 4: If you go back and you look at Trevor's best 624 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 4: years at Clemson, he had big body, wide receivers that 625 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 4: expanded the strike zone, that could take the ball off 626 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 4: the rim. It was justin Ross and T Higgins. We 627 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 4: didn't get t Higgins in the off season. But if 628 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 4: you're thinking about how can we help this passing game go, 629 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 4: how can we help Trevor? Maybe it's making sure that 630 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 4: after a couple of years of having smaller guys on 631 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 4: the perimeter, and I love Christian Kirk, maybe we go 632 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 4: get bigger guys and help him kind of be able 633 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 4: to do the things that he did at Clemson. 634 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 3: To that end, what's your thought on McMillan, the Arizona 635 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 3: wide receiver. 636 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 4: You know, it's funny, right, because I've gone up and 637 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 4: down on Ted McMillan, having known him because he's from 638 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: southern California, having coached him at events. He is one 639 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 4: of the more talented players that we found. He's a 640 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 4: volleyball player in high school. Everything is very easy to him. 641 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: Just natural six'. 642 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 4: Four when you watch the highlight, reel the catches like 643 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 4: he is a ball, catch much Like Brian Thomas junior 644 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 4: is a ball catch where you can look in the 645 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 4: game you're, like how in the world did he make that? 646 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: Catch, well That's ted. 647 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 4: McMillan the thing that you worry about or that you 648 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 4: just wonder doesn't play with the urgency that some would. 649 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 4: Play can't he get off press and refine the routes 650 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 4: in those? Things i've been argued, down BUT i, said 651 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 4: LIKE i looked At Mike evans And tampa for a 652 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 4: decade post a thousand yard, seasons because he's bigger and 653 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 4: stronger and faster than. 654 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: Everybody why Can't ted McMillan be that? 655 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 4: Player and so if we talk about having A Mike 656 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 4: evans type on one, Side Brian Thomas junior on the other. 657 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 2: Side i'm really excited about. 658 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 7: That now at, five you just have to make sure 659 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 7: that when you're betting On ted mc millan at, FIVE 660 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 7: i didn't have him listed as A Blue. 661 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 4: Chipper now that's where you're betting on the. Purse so 662 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 4: as you're running up to the draft and you're getting 663 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 4: to know, him does he love, It is he gonna 664 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 4: work at? It is he passionate about being? Great all 665 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 4: of those things factor. In but the prospect of having 666 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 4: giants on the, outside AND i guess If Gabe davis 667 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 4: is still gonna be, There like you're big on the, 668 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 4: outside now you have a huge basketball team on the. 669 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 4: Outside it just changes the way that you can attack 670 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 4: down the. FIELD i would be intrigued by. That it's 671 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 4: just a matter of do you really view him as 672 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 4: a top five player in this? Draft you gotta feel 673 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 4: good about that when you put his name. 674 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 3: In would you feel better if they slid back and got. 675 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 4: IT i don't, Know LIKE i, mean at that, point 676 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 4: it's the, Argument, yeah you might as well just take 677 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 4: me and just. 678 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: It, yeah you just you just you just have to own. 679 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,239 Speaker 4: It if you like, him you take, him and you're 680 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 4: willing to stand in amid the criticism that may, come, like, 681 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 4: MAN i didn't see, HIM i didn't have him in 682 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 4: my originally, though if you go back to all the way, 683 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,479 Speaker 4: back BECAUSE i think it's important that you go back 684 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 4: and read what was written In. January In, january technicc 685 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 4: millan was viewed as. That now somewhere along the way 686 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 4: it got lost in. There we don't talk about, him 687 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 4: but at the end of the collegiate, season we talked 688 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 4: About tech McMillan being the number one wide receiver in the. 689 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 2: Class that was the. 690 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 4: Consensus it wasn't after the combine and all, That Matthew 691 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 4: golden and Oh. Mika it was Always tech McMillan as 692 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 4: the number one receiver in the. Classes those opinions that 693 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 4: are typically done right after the college football season are 694 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 4: the ones that typically are the closest to being. 695 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 5: True, yeah and it's, uh DON'T A gm once told, 696 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 5: me don't trade back if it's going to hurt you 697 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 5: to lose the, Guy like if you're going to be 698 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 5: driving home that night with a feeling the pit of 699 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 5: your stomach if you lose. 700 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 6: Him and you, know when The colts Drafted. Freenie you know. 701 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 5: TOO i probably tell you this story before you. Know 702 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 5: Tony dungey And Bill pollie were working out in the. 703 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 5: Morning they Loved, freenie but they knew they were going 704 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 5: to get heat for taking what at the time was 705 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 5: an undersized outside pass rusher at and they're picking. Eleven everybody, said, 706 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 5: hey it's picking. Eighteenth, Fine And tony said he finally 707 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 5: looked A bill and said do we like, yeah, well 708 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 5: taking me. 709 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 6: Left and you know. 710 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 2: He's a gold. 711 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 6: Jay so that is sort of What bucky was. 712 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 5: Saying if you like the, guy don't trade back five 713 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 5: picks and get a guy you don't. 714 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 4: Like and let me say, This when they Took Dwight, 715 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 4: freenie it was controversial Because Dwight freenie was not prototypical 716 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 4: size at. All he had he had a herky jerky 717 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 4: unorthodox game because remember that was and and they were 718 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 4: willing to, say, no this is our. Guy he's gonna 719 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 4: be fine for, us and let in three or four 720 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 4: years we'll see if we were, right and so let's do. 721 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 2: It so that's why you got to have conviction about the. 722 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 4: Pick you gotta support the, pick and then whatever it, 723 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 4: is it is and so if The jaguars field death 724 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 4: strongly About ted McMillan or another player. 725 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 2: Being the, choice you go after. IT i will say 726 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 2: this because this just came across social. 727 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 4: MEDIA i Guess Adam schefter said today That Mason graham 728 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 4: is not going to be the pick for The. 729 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 2: JACKS i guess he said it ON espn. Today we. 730 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 5: Go but one final thought On, Dwight buckey And, bucket 731 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 5: like this, STORY i wasn't. SURE i wasn't sure in 732 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 5: OT as About dwight first game when that when that 733 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 5: big behind started spinning. 734 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 6: Around on the, outside you. 735 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 5: Knew and, yeah so that trait didn't show up during 736 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 5: OTAs and all. That but once he started, spinning, yeah, okay. 737 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 2: A pretty good. Fit yeah that's how it. 738 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 4: Goes and so we hope that whoever we take it, 739 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 4: five it clicks real quickly. 740 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 2: Like oh, yeah that's, yeah we're. Good we feel great about. 741 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 5: This story About logman. Too this Is jeff's story more than. 742 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 5: Mine but With biselli back, THEN i talked about things 743 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 5: when you, know, uh first practice whatever they were called back, 744 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 5: then unpadded. Whatever prisco went up To logman afterwards he 745 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 5: had gone To Gainst biselli And jeff is. 746 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 6: Like, yeah that's good. 747 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 5: Pick he was a veitoran trying out the. Rookie but 748 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 5: you knew immediately and that's. 749 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 2: What you and the entire team will. 750 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 4: Know and SO i am a big believer that the 751 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,439 Speaker 4: team will tell you about the players far, more, far 752 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 4: sooner than you'll ever. Recognize that's why the standard has 753 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 4: to be. High when you take the fifth thick. End 754 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 4: everyone goes out to camp with the helmets as first 755 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 4: day of. School, hey let's see what they brought, in 756 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 4: and you'll know right away through the reaction. 757 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 2: Like a oh, yeah, okay we got. One, yeah you 758 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 2: get a little. Excited that's what you. Want, yeah so 759 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 2: you'll be able to tell real. 760 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 3: Quickly busy schedule At Daily's, place they've added A Shania 761 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 3: twain Show John oh, boy there's two of them, Now 762 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 3: july twenty ninth and thirty ath facta back nights Of 763 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 3: Shanaia dailysplace dot com for tickets and show info throughout 764 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 3: the spring and. Summer busy week of, Course jackson m 765 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 3: will be tomorrow in the, afternoon SO i Guess JACK'S. 766 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 3: Pm Kay, Stevens, johnoes Your brian section will be in 767 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 3: Green bay with a report From Draft. Central, Bucky i'm 768 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 3: sure you're busy this. Week what do you got going? 769 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 4: ON i, mean you, know just a little thing that's 770 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 4: gonna happen over the Weekend, Thursday, Friday. Saturday some players 771 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 4: maybe just kind of be invited to go to new 772 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 4: teams like, that seeing some dreams. Realize but that's, it you. 773 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 4: Know BUT i think i'mnna be joining you guys a 774 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 4: ton on the draft. COVERAGE i know we got some 775 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 4: preview stuff and some after pick stuff that we'll try 776 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 4: and weigh in all so this should be. Fun i'm, excited, 777 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 4: Man i'm excited to see what the new era really looks. 778 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 4: Like like we talk About liam And, james but Also tony's. 779 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 4: Influence i'm excited to see this team kind of get 780 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 4: back on track and see if we can have an 781 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 4: exciting squad Five. 782 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 3: We're about to find out here Shortly. 783 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 6: Thursday the kicks off at. Eight we like it or, 784 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 6: not it's going to be. 785 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 3: Here bucky will talk to you later in the. 786 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 2: Week then appreciate. It, well, yeah let's let's do. 787 00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 4: It and in the, Meantime i'll make SURE i see 788 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 4: you IF i can listen to THE evp podcast and 789 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 4: see if IF i was able to gleam some nuggets 790 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 4: From tony to kind of help me SO i sound 791 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 4: smarter ON. 792 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 2: Tv when the jazz up about the pitch you do, that. 793 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,959 Speaker 3: There's gonna be some nuggets out of. There for, sure 794 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 3: It's Bucky, Brooks John. Oser i'm J. P. Shadricker thanks 795 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 3: To Brent, reaver and thanks to you for watching and 796 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 3: listening to huddle up With Bucky brooks