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Speaker 1: I've never told your protection. iHeart radio, and we are

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Speaker 1: back with another classic from our Last of Us Watch

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Speaker 1: recap series mini series that we did when the show

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Speaker 1: was premiering. This episode was the big one where I

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Speaker 1: cried a lot.

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Speaker 2: It won some Emmy's. Nick Offerman won an Emmy.

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Speaker 1: I have to say I've gotten multiple gifts based on

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Speaker 1: this episode specifically, But man, I was crying, true I

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Speaker 1: got I think. The next day we had to record

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Speaker 1: with Bridget and I was my face was so swollen

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Speaker 1: because I've been crying so hard. I'm bridge It was like,

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Speaker 1: what's happened here?

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Speaker 2: Are you okay? Are you okay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: This was a really good I mean, it's a great episode.

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Speaker 1: It was a good example of like, because you and

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Speaker 1: I were talking about this recently, there are some choices.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see what they do in the

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Speaker 1: second season. And I was saying, like, I'm generally not

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Speaker 1: someone it has to be exactly like it was in

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Speaker 1: the game or the book or whatever. But if the

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Speaker 1: heart of it is there, if the core of it

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Speaker 1: is there, that's what I like. But if you change that,

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Speaker 1: that's when I get mad. So that the case of

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Speaker 1: Bill and Frank in this episode, that's it's a blip

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Speaker 1: in the game. But it was such a lovely expansion

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Speaker 1: that was something that I was like, Yeah, that wasn't

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Speaker 4: Yes, we did do it. We were all I think

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Speaker 4: everybody loved it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew.

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Speaker 1: I remember before it came out, they were like, episode

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Speaker 1: three is gonna make you cry.

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Speaker 2: So I went in nervous and they were correct. Correct.

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Speaker 4: I still have that video. I think it's on our TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I think, well, I cried it way, I cried it

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Speaker 2: like everyone she did.

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Speaker 4: But that was the only one I've recorded.

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Speaker 2: You I feel like you recorded the finale.

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Speaker 4: Yes I did.

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Speaker 1: I was crying and that one too as well. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if we're going to bring back all these classics.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll save some for the whenever then it comes back,

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Speaker 1: the second season comes back, but we might bring back

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Speaker 1: some more. I don't know, but this is a good

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Speaker 1: one either way. Yes to like put a put a

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Speaker 1: pin in it for now, So please enjoy this classic episode.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, I'm come to stuff

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Speaker 2: I've never told you.

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Speaker 3: Production of iHeart Radio and Welcome to are very very.

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Speaker 1: Special, not sponsored by HBO or the Last of Us,

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Speaker 1: the Last of Us mini series.

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Speaker 2: It is something that I am enjoying so much.

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Speaker 1: I was telling Samantha the other day, It's like, I

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, I can't wait to do this.

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Speaker 4: You get so excited.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: As we said, this is going to replace my happy hours.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do one kind of an after show

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Speaker 1: review a week after the current episode of the Last

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Speaker 1: of Us TV show, which is yes on HBO Max.

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Speaker 1: So you have a week, you have a week before

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Speaker 1: it comes out, but we will be spoiling the first

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Speaker 1: three episodes. And I'm going to say, because I sent

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Speaker 1: you that I've been sending you just random headlines about

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Speaker 1: the Last of Us, I read that the purchases of

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Speaker 1: the first game is up three hundred percent. I will say,

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Speaker 1: this is the biggest divergence from the game, and we

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Speaker 1: and why it's different. So that's about the five to

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Speaker 1: seven hour mark in the game. Yes, today we are

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Speaker 1: talking about episode three, which was the one I was

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Speaker 1: so so excited about a long long time. I believe

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Speaker 1: it's called so Good. But yeah, this is a March nineteenth.

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Speaker 4: So Anie, I do have to burst your bubble in that.

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Speaker 4: I know that we were really saying that you should

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Speaker 2: Which is very very cool, and the clickers, so that

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Speaker 4: sorry to you, but yes, but again you are a

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Speaker 4: So yes, Peter Whore is the director of this episode

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Speaker 4: a long long time and Linda Ronstat's music apparently is

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for it?

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Speaker 4: Annie? You're gonna cry? Yeah. Actually, before we do the recap,

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Speaker 2: This is rated.

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Speaker 4: AE because Annie, it's going to be emotional. Yeah, so

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be a lot of emotions here from Annie,

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Speaker 4: so just send me too, but more so you. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I need to take a big deep breath with me. Annie. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 4: Plays the Linda Ronstadt song badly. Yes, And then of

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Speaker 1: and like the in the story and the director was

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00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: so it was like diversity in like multiple levels. It

437
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: wasn't just the actor. And we talked about that with

438
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: Nick Offerman in it, who I also read a lot

439
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: of interviews with him and about how seriously he took

440
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: this and how he knew, like everyone working on this knew,

441
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: like this is a huge deal and we can't mess

442
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: it up because you don't see this.

443
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: That often on television.

444
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: You don't see it in action and horror and video

445
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: game world, like right, you don't see this, and you don't.

446
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 4: See it played out as a genuine love story. You

447
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 4: see it being kitchy or comical or dramatic. But this

448
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 4: was just genuine sweet love like kindness.

449
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

450
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one of the things that I was

451
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: immediately when they first meet. I was like, oh, like

452
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: because it Frank is Bill is very much.

453
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: He even says like the survivalist.

454
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: He has this kind of like outward persona where we

455
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: talked about afterwards, like was it internalized homophobia? Was it

456
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: the like apocalypse made him feel like, oh I can

457
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: be myself or do this or whatever it is, But

458
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: that scene where he's serving like this very lovely meal

459
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: and then he brings out the wine and he's like,

460
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: I know, I don't see like the type, and Frank

461
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 1: just says so sincerely, like, oh no, yeah, you do.

462
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: It was just like a really lovely, like there's so

463
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: many stereotypes of tropes in there that really shouldn't be there,

464
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: but they are, and so it was just such a

465
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: nice like And then you get to see Bill playing

466
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: the piano and he's singing this song, very like moving

467
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: emotional song, and he's a masculine dude like Nick Offerman.

468
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: Even his outside persona is a very masculine dude.

469
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I love the memes. That's just pretty much

470
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 4: him as Ron Swanson being faced with the lines from

471
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 4: the Last of Us again, You and I have talked

472
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 4: about and my partner and I talked about that. At first,

473
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 4: I was concerned. I was like, why is Nick Offerman,

474
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 4: who is very openly in a relationship with Megan Malaley,

475
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: so like it seemed kind of like, you know, this

476
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 4: seems kind of could they have done this wrong? But

477
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 4: the conversation is it is a very masculine dude who's

478
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 4: never been able to face his own self, which is

479
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 4: why he's like, I've never done this, I've never been that,

480
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 4: but discovering that person with him. And it's also this

481
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 4: conversation and I read the recently an interview with a

482
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 4: director where he said, it's this conversation of maybe he's

483
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 4: not even necessarily gay, but he was in love with Frank.

484
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 4: It was the person that was that Frank. He found

485
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 4: the one he loved and it was Frank. It's not

486
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 4: about sexuality discovering that. It was that And I don't

487
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: want to take away from that, but like the truth

488
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 4: of the matter is, this is a conversation I've had

489
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: with you about like I identify as heterosexual. That's never

490
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 4: been a thing. I've never been with a woman. I've

491
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: never been really attracted to a woman. But at the

492
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: same time, I do love people. So there could be

493
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 4: this conversation of like, if I met someone else and

494
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 4: they happened to be identifying as a woman or as

495
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 4: non binary or what, that doesn't matter. I would be

496
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 4: in love with that person. And that's that whole spectrum

497
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 4: of sexuality that we've been talking about that it doesn't

498
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 4: really need I get labels, and it's good to have

499
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: labels if you need that and understanding who you are.

500
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: But it could be as simple as I love this person,

501
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 4: and he loved Frank with all his heart and he

502
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 4: did not know love like that until he met Frank.

503
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 4: And that could be in the story and not necessarily

504
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 4: any anything else being the byline. And of course Nick

505
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 4: Offerman understands that love.

506
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. It's been a lot of interesting conversations

507
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: and things written about it because I remember the first

508
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: time I played the second one and no spoilers, I promised,

509
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: But the second one has queer storylines as well, and

510
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: they were still they're still homophobia, and I remember being

511
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: so disappointed. It's not like those things go away, right,

512
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: But I was like, there's zombies, the world is and

513
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: you're still doing this. So there I read. I read

514
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: an article with the creator too, where he was like,

515
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: what would it be, you know, in the in the

516
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: world after this, would we still hold on to those

517
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: things or would we not?

518
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: And I do love like that scene where they're.

519
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: Fighting again, as Samantha said, it really was setting you

520
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: up like, oh, it's coming, it's coming, but it was

521
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: such like a sweet they're different people, but he did

522
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: kind of he was like, okay, Yeah, he wasn't happy

523
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: about it, but he's like, all right, what you want

524
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: to paint, we'll have the dinner party.

525
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 4: It was it was a little bit of comic relief.

526
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

527
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 4: So this was a quote from the interview from Inverse

528
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 4: with Peter Whore. He says, and he's talking about Nick

529
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 4: Offerman playing this character and why Bill was so complicated.

530
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 4: He says, he was never going to naturally discover who

531
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: he was to fall in love with or who we

532
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 4: found attractive until Frank came along. And even then it

533
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 4: wasn't just about being a man. It was because he

534
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 4: was Frank. It was because Frank is Frank. I felt

535
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 4: like it was about making sure to keep reminding them

536
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 4: all of that. And he goes, it's not as complicated

537
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 4: perhaps as it sounds, is about heart and love and truth.

538
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: And I love that, and I was like, yeah, oh god,

539
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: yes he speaks to me.

540
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: Yes, oh God. And also like.

541
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: Going back to these like tropes, we see, these stereotypes

542
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: we see not just with career characters, which just was

543
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: like men and a man like Nick Opferman slash Bill.

544
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: I think that seeing where Frank kind of takes over

545
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: and like this is your first time like being very

546
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: like kind and careful and very consensual, you know, like

547
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: hey and having because in our society it's like man,

548
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: of course you manly man.

549
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: You've had so.

550
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: Much sex and that's your conquest with women and that's

551
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: how you. But he just said kind of like no,

552
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: one time with the girl, and I don't know, there

553
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: was something about that that was nice too. It was

554
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: sort of a refreshing change on that and I liked

555
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: that Frank kind of it's like, okay, well we'll start

556
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: with the simple things and we'll wear it out. Like

557
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: it was just very sweet, right, what Yeah, So we're

558
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: kind of moving into the territory I want to talk

559
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: about where why I think it was so much better

560
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: that they did it this way than how they did

561
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: in the game. One is because there are a couple

562
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: of tropes here that are kind of immediately concerned because

563
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: they've been handled so badly before. And one is, you

564
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: know with queer love stories, a lot of the time

565
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: they do die, and that is what happened here. But

566
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a tragic oh we never knew these

567
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: people and they got killed off. It was like finding joy.

568
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: It was seeing the life that they lived, which was

569
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: quite a long life, right, that they lived together and

570
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: finding joy and finding purpose in each other in this apocalypse.

571
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: And I was telling you, like, I've made this outline

572
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: of how I think every episode of the show is

573
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: going to go, and it's so grim every I'm like, whoa,

574
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: how are they.

575
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: Going to do this?

576
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: So it was such a nice thing to see, like

577
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: finding that humanity and finding that connection and finding that

578
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: love in the context of this.

579
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: Zombie apocalypse.

580
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing is, like they didn't die, they

581
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 4: didn't get killed off violently, they didn't go through and

582
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: try to save someone, or they weren't murdered. But because

583
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 4: of who they were, none of that happened. And they

584
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: grew older together and they decided to go out together

585
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: and talking about how happy their days were, how some

586
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 4: of the days were bad and they were all worth

587
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: it with each other, and like to also like the

588
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: whole ending of him, like I want you to hold

589
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: me for the last time. That was such a moment

590
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: because that could they wrew into this loving relationship and

591
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: it was loving, like everything they had was about love,

592
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: and even that being just them, they were content.

593
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well and they did really good job of that too,

594
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 1: because you could tell like they were different people. They

595
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: were very different people, and they had fights and disagreements

596
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: and the days weren't easy. But that was something else

597
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: that I really liked was when oh, no, I'm getting

598
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: your eye. Even when he says, like Bill says at

599
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 1: the end, like I'm satisfied. It's not that they like like,

600
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: oh my lives are so our lives are so miserable,

601
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: let's just end it. It's like, well, we've had a

602
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: lot of good days together. Yeah, I want to go

603
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: with you.

604
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: Oh right, and she's trying. All is happening. Yes, And

605
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: I do love that way they closed out. I didn't

606
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: talk about this. They closed out the scene with an

607
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: ode to the video game, which is where you start

608
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: to say play or not start, is a window open

609
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: with breezes. They intentionally did that at the end as

610
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: an ode.

611
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: To the game. Yes, oh my god.

612
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: Yes.

613
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: But I also liked that that you never see their bodies.

614
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: It's not gratuitous.

615
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 4: They try not to do that. Yeah.

616
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really liked that because we've talked about that

617
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: with ableism and kind of that whole you know, oh,

618
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm in a wheelchair, I'd rather be dead. It didn't

619
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: give me that vibe at all. It just kind of

620
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: gave me like, you know, I'm happy, right, and it's

621
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: not gonna write.

622
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 4: And I think the biggest part to that is that

623
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: he had pain. He had so much pain, and that

624
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: was kind of that conversation is like, I'm all I'm

625
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: doing is hurting. And of course, yeah, there's always a

626
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 4: conversation about ableism, but also free will and free choice.

627
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 4: There's so much to that in the conversation. But he

628
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: had found joy for the longest time up until the

629
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: point that he couldn't handle the pain. And I think

630
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 4: they insinuated he's been in a wheelchair for a minute.

631
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

632
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: And it was so nice, like they didn't just show

633
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: the sad times like that scene with the strawberry.

634
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh god. It was like such a

635
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: joyful thing that they shared together, like.

636
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: The giggle and the joy and the fact that Frank

637
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 4: hid that for a while. That because it takes like

638
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: a good six months to grow like that size. Mmmm,

639
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 4: it looked really good though, I will think that it did,

640
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

641
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: And then I did want to say this would probably

642
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: be my like ominous hint of the of the episode,

643
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: because they have those kind of behind the scenes things

644
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: at the end of you know what was going on

645
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: in this when.

646
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: They were making it and creating it.

647
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I think Neil Juckman,

648
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: who made the video game, said was like where love

649
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: contain AQ? And so I think this was like a

650
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: happy example, whereas in the game it wasn't right, but

651
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: in this it was a happy example.

652
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: But I would yeah, I would say that's a very.

653
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: Good outline for this whole show is where love can

654
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: take you, and that can be very bad, and that

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Speaker 1: can be very good, and it can be in between

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: There is definitely the comparison to Joel with the note

659
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Speaker 1: where he's talking about like protect tests I got to

660
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Speaker 1: protect Frank. He says, men like us protect and then

661
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Speaker 1: he's wearing the shirt. It's a lot of comparison of.

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Speaker 2: Like, well what will Joel? Where will love take Joel?

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Speaker 1: So I'll leave that there, and then I yeah, we

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Speaker 1: need to briefly.

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Speaker 2: Touch on Ellie. I think, of course, because.

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Speaker 5: This was.

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Speaker 1: We were Samith and I were talking about this. I

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00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: don't think this is a big departure, but she's definitely.

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Speaker 1: She's a little like Harsher's too strong, but like Rougher edged.

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Speaker 1: For the beginning of the game, she's Bella. Ramsy's portrayed

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Speaker 1: her as Rover edged and so like this seem er.

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Speaker 1: She kills the zombie, which she doesn't tell Joel about.

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Speaker 1: She stole the gun and doesn't tell Joel about it.

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Speaker 1: She I like how they did really they're already planting

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00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: the seeds. That she's very insecure and how she's going

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Speaker 1: to survive in this world because she kept asking like, well,

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Speaker 1: what if Billy and frankkart there? What if Bill and

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00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: Frank won't take me? Which is I mean, yeah, it

679
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Speaker 1: would be terrifying. What is going to happen to me?

680
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: Are you just going to leave me if they're not there?

681
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: And we also at the same time see Joel trying

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Speaker 1: to protect Ellie's innocence, where he's like, no, we should will.

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Speaker 2: Take the longer way.

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to go that way because you'll

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Speaker 1: see something you don't want to see, and that's where

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Speaker 1: the mass gravesite is, whereas Ellie immediately is like, well,

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Speaker 1: now I have to go see it. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's the dichotomy of he grew up in this time

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Speaker 1: where he remembers like his daughter Sarah, and he remembers

690
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: like that kind of protecting level of children. Ellie has

691
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: never really known that she's just growing up in a

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00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: zombie a buocalypse worlds or that sort of part of

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Speaker 1: her life. And so I think that's sort of a

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00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: push and pull between them of him really wanting to

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Speaker 1: protect what he views is like her childish inno sense

696
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: and her being really really frustrated because she's like that

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00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: this is the world we live in, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, when we were talking about it, like

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00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: the way I interpreted, both of them were a little

700
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 4: different as where the Ellie in the game to me

701
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: was more willing to go with everything. Joel said a

702
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: little few definitely a lot of questions, but it was like, Okay,

703
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 4: didn't push too hard. The Bella Ramsey Ellie, she does

704
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 4: that too. She pushes, she pushes, but then she knows

705
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: when to stop because he makes the face and she

706
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: backs off. But like the whole killing of the zombie,

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Speaker 4: the moment that as the director was saying, was like,

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00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 4: you know from episode two, episode one, she is intrigued

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Speaker 4: by him beating the hell out of that guard and

710
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 4: not disgusted, which was the opposite reaction to Sarah from

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Speaker 4: Sarah who was like horrified to see that he had

712
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 4: killed that monster who was a neighbor. But like, the

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00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: differences are pretty pretty stark. Again, this has to do that, Yes,

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Speaker 4: Ellie has been alone, She's seen something essentially, and she's

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Speaker 4: just waiting her turn to die. It seems so that

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00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: makes sense to that. But yeah, there's a small difference

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00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 4: in the attitudes on how Ashley Johnson, the voice of

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Speaker 4: the original Ellie, portrayed it versus what Bella Ramsey's doing

719
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: with this role. But again, Bella Ramsey, her whole persona

720
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 4: is a little bit tougher. We saw that with the

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00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: Game of Thrones, like she was intense, and this does

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00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 4: fit that as survival mode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I also think it's interesting because we did

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Speaker 1: talk about this too. Like I said, I think Ashley

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00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: Johnson just kind of has a her voice and her

726
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: the way she approached it in the game, which is

727
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: kind of softer. She's still like she curses like a sailor.

728
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: I would never mess with her, but she I think

729
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: the way they did it was much more and were

730
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Speaker 1: depending on Ellie. Four these rare, bright moments of habbits,

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Speaker 1: which does still happen because she'll still be like, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: I've never been in the woods. Oh well, I've never

733
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: done this and this, and sort of that child like wonder.

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Speaker 1: But I think also because we know, because you and

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Speaker 1: I the insiders, know what happens in the second one

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Speaker 1: and how it ends. The first one ends, I feel,

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Speaker 1: oh no, another ominous hint. I feel like they're kind

738
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Speaker 1: of planting other seats.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 4: No, the director said that behind the scenes, you're seeing

741
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 4: something different for a reason, outside of just her environment currently,

742
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 4: that that definitely is a whole thing and it only grows.

743
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Speaker 4: I mean in that environment, can you be anything more

744
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 4: than callous? Though?

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Speaker 2: And that's the question, that's a question. Where does love

746
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: take Ellie?

747
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: This is your this is like your hypothesis for every episode,

748
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: and be like, where does love go in this one?

749
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: Oh gosh?

750
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: And I know I also told Samantha. I think I've

751
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: said this in previous ones. I do have like a

752
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of overarching I'm say critiques, but some critics, but

753
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: like thoughts about these tropes. I'm saving them for the

754
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: last one because I think, like even just talking about

755
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: them without spoiling them is spoiling them, if that makes sense.

756
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: So just know that that is coming.

757
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: And a lot of stuff with Ellie's characters sort of

758
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: tricky to talk about, but she does have the scene

759
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: in the game as well where Joel puts in this

760
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: music and it's like, oh, it's so good and she's

761
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: like whatever, But then they bond over the they bond

762
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: over the music. So it's that you can see the

763
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: the bonding is happening. It's beginning, it is beginning. I

764
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: did want to mention the awkward dinner party. There is

765
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: that awkward dinner party between Joel and Test and Bill

766
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Speaker 1: and Frank, and I loved it because it was so awkward.

767
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 4: It was so good of Frank going Bill really yes,

768
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 4: and the lowering of the gun yes.

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Speaker 2: Well we were talking about it too.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny how like a lot of times couples

771
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: do kind of not always, but they'll kind of follow

772
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: along those lines where you've got the one that's like, oh,

773
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: I do not want to be here, and the other

774
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: ones like book please, I want friends, test as sort

775
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: of that version and then Francis of that version.

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Speaker 2: I like seeing them kind of bond, right. I did

777
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Speaker 2: I love that. I've always been meaning to mention.

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Speaker 1: This is largely based on a book called The World

779
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: Without Us, which is a book that is about what

780
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: would happen if humanity just disappeared. So a lot of

781
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: the like imagery and all that stuff comes from that.

782
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: There is a documentary about the game, how the game

783
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: is made, and it's awesome. Obviously wait till you finish

784
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: the show if you don't want to be surprised, but

785
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: it's really cool.

786
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 2: It's got a fun alternate ending.

787
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Speaker 1: And then just to say yeah, like the response after

788
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: this one has been like hugely positive, but just so

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00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: many people, especially in the queer space, like, you know,

790
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: I haven't seen this, or it's just especially as I said,

791
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: in this sort of like action horror video game realm.

792
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm glad they did it this as

793
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: opposed to oh, you just find Frank's dead body.

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00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 4: This is so much better.

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Speaker 1: Yes, agreed, Agreed. I was wrong in my next week predictions.

796
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: I was wrong about the bloater, but I did you

797
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: heard me talk about it before where I had revised

798
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: my my prediction because it's too early for the it's

799
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: not the game, but in the show, right, I think

800
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: I know what happens.

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00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: The next one is too much more spoiler, but.

802
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: Ye into trauma every I mean every.

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00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: Every time, every time, every time. Oh my gosh, what

804
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: an emotional roller coaster this is.

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00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: I really watched it again the night.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I know you will, so you will.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you Samantha Hosting for supporting

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Speaker 1: me my passions.

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Speaker 2: Thank you listeners. I hope you're enjoying it. I have.

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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed all of my I mean, it does kind

812
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: of overwhelm me, but I've enjoyed all the messages I've gotten.

813
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: About it, especially the like whyey.

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Speaker 1: Threw my arms up in the air you couldn't see it.

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Speaker 1: But oh well, I can't wait for the next episode.

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Speaker 1: I think I texted you the next day. I was like, oh,

817
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: so excited, so excited, So be on the lookout for that.

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Speaker 1: As we said, these are coming out every Saturday, a

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Speaker 1: week after the newest episode to prepare you for the

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Speaker 1: next one, right right, Just the recaps, just the recap,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I could talk about this forever.

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Speaker 1: I think the second I think the last episode is

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Speaker 1: going to be two parter, but we'll see it's gonna

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Speaker 1: but then we'll go back to our regularly scheduled ish programming.

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